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<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As later detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in early 2018 following an &quot;unsanctioned&quot; performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. Blackmore, however, contended that this was a personal art statement and that the request for her resignation reflected sexist/non-inclusive attitudes within TST leadership.&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@JexBlackmore/the-struggle-for-justice-is-ongoing-6df38f8893db Jex Blackmore on Medium - &quot;The Struggle for Justice is Ongoing&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> As a result the Detroit chapter also left TST.<br /> <br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from<br /> * Sweden<br /> * France<br /> * Italy<br /> * Germany<br /> * Austria<br /> * West Balkans<br /> * Hungary<br /> * Belgium<br /> * Switzerland<br /> * Denmark<br /> * Australia (&quot;following Eurovision rules&quot;)<br /> &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/Sjv1YUuRyntqwdAN/ Global Order of Satan independence announcement] &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first naming themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article]&lt;/ref&gt; chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[Podcasts/The Satanists Nextdoor Ep46 Internal Strife and the Path Forward for TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members (including [[Greg Stevens]] and [[Chalice Blythe]])and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Director of Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] leaves/is fired<br /> * Head of [[After School Satan]] and Ordination Council [[Chalice Blythe]] leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves, becoming &quot;Minnesota Satanists&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves, becoming &quot;Sunshine Serpent Society&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves, becoming &quot;Satanic Colorado&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves, becoming &quot;Alabama Society for Pluralism and Freethought&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves, becoming North Carolina Satanists<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> * The Satanic Temple France withdraw from the TST Candidate Groups programme, becoming France Satanique et Francophones<br /> * The Satanic Temple Nevada leaves, becoming Battle Born Satanists<br /> * The Satanic Temple South Carolina leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple Idaho leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple Dallas/Fort Worth leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple Louisiana leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple New Jersey leaves, becoming Jersey Satanists<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17152 2024-06-13T10:00:30Z

<p>Osmiris: Link fixed</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As later detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in early 2018 following an &quot;unsanctioned&quot; performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. Blackmore, however, contended that this was a personal art statement and that the request for her resignation reflected sexist/non-inclusive attitudes within TST leadership.&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@JexBlackmore/the-struggle-for-justice-is-ongoing-6df38f8893db Jex Blackmore on Medium - &quot;The Struggle for Justice is Ongoing&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> As a result the Detroit chapter also left TST.<br /> <br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from<br /> * Sweden<br /> * France<br /> * Italy<br /> * Germany<br /> * Austria<br /> * West Balkans<br /> * Hungary<br /> * Belgium<br /> * Switzerland<br /> * Denmark<br /> * Australia (&quot;following Eurovision rules&quot;)<br /> &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/Sjv1YUuRyntqwdAN/ Global Order of Satan independence announcement] &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first naming themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article]&lt;/ref&gt; chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[Podcasts/The Satanists Nextdoor Ep46 Internal Strife and the Path Forward for TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members (including [[Greg Stevens]] and [[Chalice Blythe]])and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Director of Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] leaves/is fired<br /> * Head of [[After School Satan]] and Ordination Council [[Chalice Blythe]] leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves, becoming &quot;Minnesota Satanists&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves, becoming &quot;Sunshine Serpent Society&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves, becoming &quot;Satanic Colorado&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves, becoming &quot;Alabama Society for Pluralism and Freethought&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> * The Satanic Temple France withdraw from the TST Candidate Groups programme, becoming France Satanique et Francophones<br /> * TST Nevada<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17139 2024-05-30T12:44:22Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As later detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in early 2018 following an &quot;unsanctioned&quot; performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. Blackmore, however, contended that this was a personal art statement and that the request for her resignation reflected sexist/non-inclusive attitudes within TST leadership.&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@JexBlackmore/the-struggle-for-justice-is-ongoing-6df38f8893db Jex Blackmore on Medium - &quot;The Struggle for Justice is Ongoing&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> As a result the Detroit chapter also left TST.<br /> <br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from<br /> * Sweden<br /> * France<br /> * Italy<br /> * Germany<br /> * Austria<br /> * West Balkans<br /> * Hungary<br /> * Belgium<br /> * Switzerland<br /> * Denmark<br /> * Australia (&quot;following Eurovision rules&quot;)<br /> &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/Sjv1YUuRyntqwdAN/ Global Order of Satan independence announcement] &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first naming themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article]&lt;/ref&gt; chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members (including [[Greg Stevens]] and [[Chalice Blythe]])and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Director of Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] leaves/is fired<br /> * Head of [[After School Satan]] and Ordination Council [[Chalice Blythe]] leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves, becoming &quot;Minnesota Satanists&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves, becoming &quot;Sunshine Serpent Society&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves, becoming &quot;Satanic Colorado&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves, becoming &quot;Alabama Society for Pluralism and Freethought&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> * The Satanic Temple France withdraw from the TST Candidate Groups programme, becoming France Satanique et Francophones<br /> * TST Nevada<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17138 2024-05-30T12:39:41Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As later detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in early 2018 following an &quot;unsanctioned&quot; performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. Blackmore, however, contended that this was a personal art statement and that the request for her resignation reflected sexist/non-inclusive attitudes within TST leadership.&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@JexBlackmore/the-struggle-for-justice-is-ongoing-6df38f8893db Jex Blackmore on Medium - &quot;The Struggle for Justice is Ongoing&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> As a result the Detroit chapter also left TST.<br /> <br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from<br /> * Sweden<br /> * France<br /> * Italy<br /> * Germany<br /> * Austria<br /> * West Balkans<br /> * Hungary<br /> * Belgium<br /> * Switzerland<br /> * Denmark<br /> * Australia (&quot;following Eurovision rules&quot;)<br /> &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/Sjv1YUuRyntqwdAN/ Global Order of Satan independence announcement] &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first naming themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article]&lt;/ref&gt; chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves, becoming &quot;Minnesota Satanists&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves, becoming &quot;Sunshine Serpent Society&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves, becoming &quot;Satanic Colorado&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves, becoming &quot;Alabama Society for Pluralism and Freethought&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> * The Satanic Temple France withdraw from the TST Candidate Groups programme, becoming France Satanique et Francophones<br /> * TST Nevada<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/Sacred_Tension-Sacred_Tension_Lucien_Newsweekbhy34&diff=17137 2024-05-29T22:57:40Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>==Background==<br /> Podcast title: Sacred Tension: Orgies, Cults, and Lies feat. [[Lucien Greaves]]<br /> STEPHEN BRADFORD LONG<br /> Published: August 20, 2022<br /> <br /> ==Show notes (as published)==<br /> NOVEMBER 14, 2021 ~ STEPHEN BRADFORD LONG<br /> In this episode of Sacred Tension, Lucien Greaves returns to discuss every allegation of fascism and antisemitism against him and The Satanic Temple.<br /> &lt;ref&gt;[https://stephenbradfordlong.com/2021/11/14/sacred-tension-orgies-cults-and-lies-with-lucien-greaves/ Podcast link]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> SUMMARY KEYWORDS<br /> people, tst, satanic temple, free speech, claims, article, cult, activism, twitter, talking, satanists, satanic, feel, religion, milo, thought, newsweek, question, podcast, true<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> <br /> SPEAKERS<br /> Stephen Bradford Long, Lucien Greaves<br /> <br /> 00:00<br /> <br /> You're listening to a rock candy podcast. Hey, I'm Andrew. And I'm John. Our show magnified pod is the only podcast that discusses culture, religion, politics, and deep dives into the discographies of the bands that shaped a generation of 90s youth group kids, check out magnified pod on the rock candy Podcast Network and wherever you get your podcasts<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 00:34<br /> <br /> This is Sacred Tension, the podcast about the discipline of asking questions. My name is Steven Bradford Long and we are here on the Rock Candy podcast network. For more shows like this one, go to rockcandyrecordings.com. All right. Well, we have [[Lucien Greaves]] back on the show. But before we get to that, as always, I have to thank my patrons. They are my personal lords and saviors, and they enable my crippling content creation addiction. So for this week, I have to thank Jeremy13, Sarah, Justin, Paul, and Rabbit Waller, thank you all so much. If you want to join their number, just go to patreon.com/stevenbradfordlong. That sound was Lucien Greaves, dropping something in the background. And if you want to join their number, just go to patreon.com/stevenbradfordlong and for $1 A month or $5 a month, you get extra content every single week, including my House of Heretics live show. You can drop in on the chat it is every Wednesday morning at 11am. Timothy McPherson, former Salvation Army officer and I discuss all kinds of things. Whatever's going on in the world. We talk about movies, we talk about religion, we talk about politics, we talk about mental health, just whatever is interesting to us in that moment we discuss and it also really, really helps the show. Also, the show is sponsored by thesatanictemple.tv. If you enjoy the occult, if you enjoy rituals, live streams, lectures, there's all kinds of stuff on thesatanictemple.tv. And you can get one month free using my promo code SACREDTENSION all caps, no space at checkout. And finally, one of the best ways to support this show is to leave a five star review on Apple podcasts ,that tells our digital overlords that this show is worth sharing with others. So I'm going to share a five star review. This one is from Great Britain by Georgia Buns, and Georgia says brilliant just listened to the episode with Katie Herzog loved the conversation host knows how to have a really interesting, insightful, intelligent discussion. Short and sweet and very kind. That was also one of my favorite shows. By the way, my interview with Katie Herzog that I did last year. She's a fascinating grumpy lesbian political commentator and fellow podcaster. She does the Blocked and Reported podcast. I highly recommend everyone go listen to that one. It's called Getting Cancelled with Katie Herzog. All right, well, please just take a moment to go leave a five star review on Apple podcasts. It really helps. All right, with all of that out of the way. Lucien Greaves, welcome back. Hello. I feel like it's been a bit longer than usual. Since you've been on<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 03:34<br /> <br /> Time, it's lost meaning for me last couple years,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 03:37<br /> <br /> It really has no odor. Is it just me? Or is 2021 Harder than 2020? Like, I feel like this worse this year has been more terrible, more dreadful than 2020. For whatever reason<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko claims he has &quot;stop[ped] really caring what people think&quot;==<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 03:52<br /> <br /> Oh, no, I knew I knew what I was getting into. As soon as the pandemic started, I thought that I was looking at some long term changes in my personality that I might not be able to roll back. And I was more afraid that I'd get comfortable with it. And I feel like that's the point I've gotten at now. But it's similar to like when people say enough rotten things about you on the internet or whatever. And you stop really caring what people think. And people always applaud that notion of just getting over what other people think about you or whatever. But being the recipient of that and you know, having gone forward with a lot of my projects, you know, not caring what the opposition would think but still seeing people who should know better say terrible things. I can tell you that you lose an essential part of yourself when you really truly stop caring what people think because they burned you out so much on their outrage in their baseless criticisms.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 04:48<br /> <br /> You know, I I really relate to that. Honestly. Everyone's like, no, just embrace being yourself and don't care what other people think online and I'm like, No, I actually care a lot. It, it is in my nature to care a lot about what other people think of me. Also, I think it's in human nature to care a lot about what other people think of us. And if we don't, then we're fucking sociopaths. And so the that having that ability to care what people on the internet, think of me having that burned out of me doesn't feel very healthy.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 05:22<br /> <br /> Like if you go to sleep early when shitty people dislike you for who you are, but when shitty people are trying to frame you as somebody completely different from who you are, you know, that's when it's infuriating and frustrating and everything else.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 05:37<br /> <br /> Yeah, I have a couple of Medium articles going around about me, you know, kind of critiquing my work. And I've, I've noticed how it has made me cynical of everything that I see online. When I when I watch how people I know, people- and some people who I consider to be friends who have just been dragged and trashed and lied about online so much. It makes me just question everything I see online because I, I now know how easy it is for lies to spread. And so the end result is that I just don't believe anything. And I don't know, if that is a healthy headspace to be in.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 06:28<br /> <br /> Right, I know exactly what you're saying. Or when you're deeply skeptical of your relationships, your interpersonal relationships, because you've gotten burned too badly too many times. And of course, the whole social dynamic for me in the past 10 years doing Satanic Temple changed dramatically from the time prior to that. And it's it's a pretty difficult adjustment to come to that place where even people close to you can treat you as an object to a vehicle for their own self aggrandizement or whatever else to cash you out as a friend, you know, for more hits online or whatever. But you can't help but, but change a bit when you experience quite a bit of that. And not all of it's going to be for the better.<br /> <br /> ==Discussion on the [[The Satanic Temple, Inc. v. Newsweek Magazine LLC|''Newsweek'' article]]==<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 07:16<br /> <br /> Yeah, I relate to everything you're saying right now. It isn't pleasant. I mean, part of it is I guess, just the reality of being a public figure. Part of it is just being a content creator. I wouldn't say I'm a public figure and not to the degree that you are but I am a content- you know, I've I've watched people who I thought were friends just turn on me so hard. And and it's it's a very challenging thing to experience. But okay, so all of that aside, there is a new article out about TST, and none of us want to talk about it, but we might as well fucking talk about it. It came out on Newsweek. And it is- hold on the title is, is on the honestly, the title is the best thing about it. Let me let me pull this up real fast. I have it.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 08:08<br /> <br /> Well, in case you didn't know, it was also authored by a Christian writer who started at Newsweek, like a month ago. It looks to be an elderly lady, and she's written about sexual purity from the Christian perspective, as well as other Christian writings.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 08:25<br /> <br /> Oh, so that's why there's such a big stink about sex positivity and TST.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 08:30<br /> <br /> Yeah, yeah, that was a thread I don't even know. I didn't know why she wanted to pull at first until I looked up her background, but she's she's really apparently offended by the idea of sex positivity in general.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 08:46<br /> <br /> Yeah. So the title of this article is orgies, harassment, fraud, Satanic Temple rocked- Hold on God dammit, my phone just went went dead. orgies harassment fraud, Satanic Temple rocked by Accusations, Lawsuit.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 09:03<br /> <br /> So there were no accusations of orgies. I'm not sure what accusations of harassment they were talking about in there. The accusation of fraud is a claim about a claim. And there were several claims about claims in this article here was there were claims about sexual abuse, but there were no actual claims of sexual abuse. And I'm not aware of these claims. They have a quote from somebody saying that they'd received all these more than anecdotal complaints about sexual abuse within TST or whatever. And I thought, Well, why haven't I heard about these and why didn't the journalist try to talk to anybody who might be one of the people actually making the complaint rather than secondhand quote saying that, Oh, these complaints are somewhere but fraud. There's- I don't even think there's an accusation of fraud and anything said in the article. Yeah,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 09:56<br /> <br /> That one was- that one confused me.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 09:59<br /> <br /> Also, by I'm gonna tell people right now tell them we've- we've demanded a retraction from Newsweek it- because it's so egregious and you know, people were already saying, well what are the optics of it so you're gonna sue Newsweek or whatever and I'm, why not, you know, well you're the Free Speech guys. Well we still are, you know read my articles about free speech we always make room for defamation. Exactly. You know when it's provable inaccuracies like this and there's some egregious provable bullshit in this article. Like they have a quote from somebody calling herself salami, I guess and from Pensacola saying-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 10:38<br /> <br /> Salomé, I think it's Salomé, but salami, sure, yes, the salami works.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 10:42<br /> <br /> But salami claims that she was thrown out of TST, after asking me why I was using TST money to pursue a personal lawsuit against Twitter for having suspended my account. And this was just placed in the article and her statement taken at face value. Whereas the fact of the matter is, that conversation never took place. And if somebody had come to me and said, Why is TST use- Why are using TST money for this personal suit, I would have merely explained, well, we have pro-bono representation for one thing. So TST resources aren't being expended. But for another, it wasn't a lawsuit about my personal account getting suspended, although that fact was rolled into the complaint as evidence of disparate treatment. The whole story was- is that somebody tweeted that somebody needed to burn down our headquarters, and Cory Feldman's washed out child actor retweeted it. And he's got a bit of a following. So it started to get to get horrifying to see that there was traction growing for this idea. And it's very clearly a tweet that runs afoul of Twitter's Terms of Service. So I reported the tweet, Twitter came back said, this does not violate our Terms of Service. I retweeted the tweet and asked my audience to also report the tweet because Twitter wasn't looking at my reports, for some reason, then Twitter suspended not only my account, but the main TST account, temporary basis for the main TST account by association with me, permanent suspension on my account. And they said what I had done was targeted harassment against the person who would call for our headquarters to get burned down. And now this, to us seemed like a worthwhile battle to fight. Like, we didn't feel for a moment that another religious group would be treated that way. And we didn't want to normalize this idea that people can call for us to be killed publicly, and build this idea that there is a general approval of that, you know, fighting back against that I felt serve the broader interests of our community, without question. So there was nothing about that, quote, that was true. And when the journalist reached out to me initially, she asked me questions, but she didn't ask me questions about anything that she ended up including in her article, she started out really hung up on the various corporate entities that TST has built up over the time that we've had this organization. And, you know, she clearly saw something nefarious in the fact that we have [[United Federation of Churches, LLC]], [[Reason Alliance]] TST- TST Inc, you know, [[The Satanic Temple Inc]]. And then things like TST TV, you know, the- the the other enterprise that runs [[Winstonian Enterprises Ltd|The Satanic Estate]] and things like that. And I explained to her well, we started out as an LLC, because we weren't Tech, we weren't religiously tax exempt, and we hadn't asked for it. We went with United Federation of Churches, because, you know, we might have been looking to work in our denomination only and, you know, not be written off applying for something or whatever, just, you know, straightforward with the name, the Satanic Temple 10 years ago, you know, we're the ones who really broke the ice, you know, so nine Federation churches seemed safe. And then we realized we didn't have the same kind of access to religious accommodations as other religious groups. So we had to fight he just broke up really fast.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 14:39<br /> <br /> You- You- You- Didn't you realize that you didn't have the same access to what?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 14:45<br /> <br /> are two accommodations made for religious entities, whereas were some things required a 501(3)(c), and one of those things was doing after school clubs. So at the time we were doing the After School Satan clubs, we needed a 501(c), (c)(3), we set up [[Reason Alliance]]. And the mission of Reason Alliance is to support the Satanic Temple, it's very openly that way. And then the Satanic Temple Inc, came along as a result of the IRS recognizing us as IRS tax exempt, we need to separate, we need to set up an entity for that. So she keeps going over this and keeps trying to, and she was not very bright. You know, like I talked to her at length, and she wasn't comprehending a lot of things. And I was telling her like, look, Judicial Watch has looked into us, and they're definitely not on our side. You know, every time we go into court and do discovery, our opposition thinks maybe they'll find something in these corporate documents, corporate structure, tax returns and everything. They don't, you know, we've gone through this again, and again,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 15:52<br /> <br /> What's- what's Judicial Watch?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 15:55<br /> <br /> Judicial Watch is this right-wing organization that likes to catch what they deemed to be progressive, liberal, socialist communist groups. And in, you know, they do like public records requests. That's pretty much all they do. And then they they try to scandalize whatever they find. And then Judicial Watch's case, they were looking into our corporate structure. And they came up with this narrative about how the Obama administration fast tracked our 501(c)(3) for Reason Alliance.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 16:27<br /> <br /> Therefore, Obama's a Satanist. So that's what that means.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 16:31<br /> <br /> Right, right. In Forbes magazine, you know, a tax expert looked at all our stuff and wrote a- wrote a article based on the Judicial Watch press release. And he was saying that, you know, there's nothing wrong with our corporate structure, there's, you know, nothing to see there. And even though it might be confusing, that's just the way it is. So I'm getting all this outreach from this Newsweek lady. And finally, I said to her an email, I wrote to her, and I said, &quot;Look, all this noise about our corporate structure, I would call it a conspiracy theory, if there were a theory behind it.&quot; But I told her, as far as I know, it's just people saying that they're confused. And they're not experts on corporate structure to begin with. I was like, if you want to talk to any of the lawyers who helped set this up for the accountants to help clear this up for you fine. But I hope before you make with some story that makes it look like there's something wrong here, you least have an idea of what's wrong? And what would be right. You know, first, tell us how you think we're nefariously benefiting from this corporate structure that we have. And then tell us knowing the evolution of the organization and why we have these different entities? How what you would do to make it any different. And that's when she shut up about that. And that's pretty much when she stopped asking me questions about anything at all, because I think she was worried that it would take away her ability to write the story that she wanted. And ultimately, she just wanted to write salacious claims that she dug up from the internet and had people repeat to her who had written them before. And absolutely, and this is way outside the bounds of Newsweek. So I'm guidelines which they put on their website, you know, they not giving us any opportunity to respond to any of these things. And even not, you know, tracking down the sources, like I said, publishing hearsay claims claims about claims is just to me, it seems really egregious, and I'm not sure where we're at with the retraction demand now, but you would have thought she'd have been a little careful, because she also spoke at length with our lawyer to begin with and quoted our lawyer in the piece.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 18:48<br /> <br /> That's, uh, yeah, I was really surprised about that. Like, how did you fuck this up so much? You talked to [[Matt Kezhaya|Matt]], you talked to Lucien like that. That's like, it was clearly deliberate.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 19:02<br /> <br /> It was a- it was- right. Well, we've made the point in the demand for retraction too, that the story itself is terribly inconsistent- claims very inconsistent things about us at one point you have as being called this polyamorous social justice warrior Club,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 19:21<br /> <br /> Which is fine, which would be fine. There's nothing wrong with the-<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to refute being &quot;cozy with the alt-right&quot;===<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 19:25<br /> <br /> -other hand, but but you also have the claim that we're cozy with the alt-right, or whatever it is, well, in this claim that there's pictures of leaders in, you know, with with alt-right leaders and stuff like that, and I'm like, &quot;What pictures are we talking about?&quot; Like, how do you make a claim, like, did the reporter actually see any of these pictures, or did she just hear that or what? Like it? There were several other things that that were just totally inconsistent as well. That led us to say in the last or like, it's clear that the only thing consistent in the article is that it just lists disparaging claims against TST. So it's very difficult to avoid a conclusion of actual malice, which is something you would have to prove in a defamation case.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 20:15<br /> Yeah. I'm interested about the potential objection that well, aren't you the free speech people? Why are you asking for a retraction and I just like want to clarify for everyone. That is Twitter logic, that is the- that is- that is like teenage right wing troll Twitter logic, that like- that, that level of free speech stupidity has nothing to do with free speech law in the United States. A reach demanding a retraction has nothing to do with the foundational principle of free speech<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 20:54<br /> <br /> Well enough, like I said, if anybody reads my writing about free speech, I cover defamation. And I also say, in the articles that I've written, that what I'm arguing for isn't less restrictions on free speech than we have now. I'm really worried it comes to free speech, I'm usually arguing for the status quo, I'm usually arguing skeptically against further restricting free speech, you know, more so than the standards we have right now. You know, defamation-caused violence, things like that. Like, I'm not, I don't think I'm appropriately cast aside as the Free Speech absolutist, they say I am I know, there's, there's certain scenarios, you know, if you, if, if you say, you know, kill them, you know, and the crowd rushes over and kills them or whatever, you, you're gonna bear some blame, you're gonna bear some responsibility, if you publish a pamphlet claiming that your neighbor's a pedophile, and there's no reason to think so, you know, there should be consequences for that kind of thing. And I feel like when you're a news outlet is as large as Newsweek, and you do something as irresponsible, as publishing our article like this, you know, in in, you know, clearly, there was no effort made to validate or disconfirm any of this or even ask us about the claims to that is also egregious, and, you know, results in real, real reputational harm.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 22:28<br /> <br /> Yeah. For anyone interested in the free speech subject, I really recommend everyone go listen to my interviews with Adam Goldstein, from FIRE, which is the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. And they're fantastic and Adam's great. And he he's a free speech lawyer and lays out a lot of what free speech is and isn't in the United States. So yeah, definitely go check that out. Yeah. I think the impression I had while reading it was I felt like the goal of the article was to make was was that Satanists being in squabbles has kind of a carnival freak-show quality to some people, and they just wanted to make Satanists look stupid. It was a carnival sideshow. Like look at these freaks over here.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 23:19<br /> <br /> Well, it's funny how our detractors just jumped right in for the opportunity to be in this- in this piece and have their voices heard or whatever. That's literally- they're literally teaming up with like a pro-abstinence Christian authors simply looking to take down Satanists.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 23:37<br /> <br /> Yes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And, you know, the other thing that stood out to me in this article was, you know, reader perception versus reality, the perception is still that we are primarily an activist organization, and that we are atheists pretending to be Satanists. And, you know, the plot twist. And the reality is, no, we're actually Satanists who happen to be atheists, that that's kind of how I personally frame it. It's like, No, we are a religious organization. Satanist is a deeply held religious identity.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 24:13<br /> <br /> Oh, there was also the absurd line in that in that article saying that it's unclear whether we actually practice the abortion ritual, and it's like, well, this is a documented fact, you know, this is something that's going to court now. Yeah, this is something that's under oath, sworn into affidavits. And, you know, again, the journalist didn't ask us about any skepticism she may have had regarding that. But it's like, why would you be skeptical about somebody's religious claim of such to begin with? And if you are, why wouldn't you ask? And, you know, how did that make it? How did that make it past an editor?<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 24:51<br /> <br /> Yeah, there's an extraordinary lack of curiosity in the whole thing and, you know, I, so- I do a lot of work in Satanic Ministry, which is kind of the, for audience- for people in the audience that's like basically the clergy of the Satanic Temple and it is. So, it is, it has become- it is so clear and so obvious to me that- that this organization has a religious life, there is- there is a religious life to this organization that is core to TST that is like that, that religious identity and that religious life is central to TST and the activism, the activism flows from it and that's- that's how I see it and it's so, it's almost jarring to me when I when I see these claims of you know, you're you're just activists and it's really like this article framed TST naming they're renaming the chapters, congregations as almost like a cynical power move as a publicity stunt to appear more like a religion. And what's never considered is that no, you're right, she are a really good<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 26:05<br /> <br /> she said that explicitly. She said that, I believe she said that. We set up the congregation structure in order to appear like a mainstream church, whereas the reality is, we spent years putting together the ordination program, we didn't just put something online saying hey, buy a Ordained Minister card from the Satanic Temple. No, you have to be referred, you know, yet you have a letter of recommendation, we have- we have online coursework you have to go through and we have to be sufficiently convinced that you truly understand where we're coming from and are worthy of representing this and that you aren't just coming into it for the activism was- which some of the people she spoke to did, who got disillusioned with TST and then started making false claims against us. One of them, who runs a site all day long, apparently doesn't work, you know, just- just disparages TST all day long on the internet and makes up bullshit claims about us being a pyramid scheme and stuff like that. Actually said, you know, join TST and thought the Satanism part was cheesy, they wanted to get into their, Yes, ya know, their activism or whatever, that I can't express enough, if that's your interest, just don't fucking join, you know, go to your other, go to your other political groups that deal with those issues you want, you know, if, if you don't understand the Satanism, we're a part of here, then then don't join, it's not for you. Or if you're not sure, about our position on free speech and our position on other things, or, you know, the general things that we have acted on consistently, and we feel in line with the tenants''[sic]'', it's fine if you don't agree with it, but maybe don't fucking join either. You know, don't don't come in and act like we should change the entire organization to fit your unprincipled position that you can't reconcile on both sides of a debate and say, like, oh, the rules only apply, you know, this much on this side and this much on the other. You know, that's not how social standards work. Yeah, no, well, operating society, you know, it's just not how it goes. And I think the Satanic Temple, it was trying to build more longevity than these than these political activist flare-ups that we have, that don't have a direction just kind of want to tear things down, and don't really have constructive input on anything at all. And that's what I think really kind of distinguishes us. And you know, we just don't need it we don't need we don't need to build membership like that. Either. We don't need to pull in, you know, low quality people who don't really care what the beliefs are, or, or whether it's going to look good as a as a slogan or quote on their Facebook page or whatever else like<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 29:06<br /> <br /> mean activism. Right. We don't do mean activism. It is the activism. I feel like the activism that TST does is slow and hard and the long game and I can't imagine anything more diametrically different from meme activism than that. Right, right.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 29:26<br /> <br /> Yeah, exactly. We're the nor the facile sloganeering that we have that, you know, has it hasn't really gotten us anywhere, to be quite honest, you know, but, you know, the, she was talking to people in the Newsweek article, who claimed that we were a pyramid scheme, and she had started with that, too. She talked about that with me. And I asked her then, like, explain to me what that means. Because when you have an organization that doesn't charge people for membership, doesn't charge dues, doesn't do tithing, in- does not advocate for proselytizing. You know, we don't tell people you got to bring people in. In fact, at this point, I feel like might need to trim back a little bit, you know, get the people out who are disappointed that this is actually a non-theistic religion when they thought that they were joining up with some kind of clever ploy or something, just go, just go, you know, so I was telling her, you know, none of this adds up to any coherent claim of being a pyramid scheme. So what does that mean? She abandoned that too. But she's still decided to, quote at face value. So many things said, by the person who throws out the bogus claim that we're a pyramid scheme that can't be validated by, you know, any even not even not even a definition of what what, what is meant by TST equals conspiracy theory.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 30:55<br /> <br /> And as far as I know, no one and everyone in TST as volunteers at every level, basically, like, I might be wrong about that. <br /> <br /> ===&quot;Where'd the money go? It went towards the fucking campaigns&quot;===<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 31:06<br /> <br /> And, but we will well, you know, we are content creators. So on TST TV, they, they make money. Absolutely. And we, at our headquarters, we do have we have people hired, you know, and certainly, you know, we have contractors and things like that, and, you know, definitely have our lawyers, things like that. So we can't say that nobody's employed off of this. But also, it's like, this question of, well, what where does the money go? Like, how much did you lose? And how, how do you lose money on this on this operation here, like, if you look at our campaigns, we genuinely tried to estimate what we will need for a campaign to be successful. Right. And sometimes it's very difficult, you know, like, we're going to be suing Texas $200,000 probably not enough, when all is said and done, we can fundraise later, you know what I mean by $200,000? Up front, that's a lot of money, too. So, you know, we went in for 200k. And we're pursuing Texas now we're going to have more lawsuits coming up? No doubt, you know, but if you look through the- you look through our past everything we fundraised for, we've come through on as well. So where'd the money go? It went towards the fucking campaigns that people, you know, you're so what else are they asking about merchandise, if you buy a t-shirt, all you're gonna get from that is your t-shirt. If you don't get it, then you're owed a refund. You know, if a shop does wild profits over the next years, Malcolm and I owe nobody a fucking apology for that, you know, and nobody's owed an apology for not getting paid to be a member? Like, ultimately, what's this come down to you join a congregation, you know, you have that opportunity to build that community. It's not a paid position. It was never, never presented as such. But you know, that said, ministers, they can, they can charge for weddings, funerals, they set their own prices, whatever, you know, that's something that you negotiate with the public. And that's why we also want to make sure we know who our ministers are, and that they really understand where we're coming from, but, you know, ministers, they they can absolutely get paid.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 33:30<br /> <br /> Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, and all the money I make for being a Satanist comes from my patrons on Patreon, go to patreon.com/stevenbradfordlong. That is, that is how this Satanist makes money. So yeah, I mean, the that line that you refer to or that quote that you refer to in the article, where it's like I, this person was saying, I found the Satanism part, basically kind of stupid, I was here for the activism. I don't mean to be I don't mean to to be disparaging. But I know I have encountered a lot of people where the the say they come for the activism. And if that is why someone is here, that is a that that's just inevitably doomed for failure on their part. Because it isn't an activist group. It is a fundamental misalignment of identity, it is a fundamental misalignment of what this organization is.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 34:31<br /> <br /> And- and why would you want to join an organization when you're already not taking what they're telling you at face value? Right? Yes. Like we've consistently said these things. And that that was what was disturbing to me about the Hail Satan? documentary, too, is how many people seem to get their completely own ideas about what the meaning of the documentary was, in the same way that people get those very disparate notions of what we are from the news articles they read and things like that, but I- the film did a good job of showing that, you know, we really have a community that takes this seriously. And then I was reading some reviews and it was like, Oh, these guys have a real clever way of dressing up progressive politics as a religion we were described as, as Mary story.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 35:12<br /> <br /> We were described as Merry Pranksters, and I'm like, sorry, I don't see myself as a prankster there. And there is nothing ironic about my Satanism there's, there's nothing satirical or ironic about my Satanism, it is deadly serious. I actually really don't like irony. Like, I kind of don't get it. And I kind of don't like it. And I'm drawn to people who are on ironically into something and who are on ironically, the thing that they are. And that's what drew me to Satanism. Right?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 35:44<br /> <br /> Well, it's funny how many people think that because they find something funny, or because they find something offensive or shocking or whatever, that that must be the purpose of it, you know? And that's funny to me, because to me, there is nothing funny about our dispute in Arkansas, you know, to put the Baphomet monument up on the public grounds where they put up a 10 commandments monument. And it's funny to me to see people, they see the Baphomet monument they hear Satanists say, you know, we have equal access to this public forum in they say that, that's fucking hilarious. And not only is it hilarious to them, but then they they assume that hilarity was our cause. Before anything else,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 36:30<br /> <br /> Right, yeah, I mean, we could probably rail on and on about the article, but we should probably move on. But yeah, so there's, there's just so much to break down in the article. But we need to spend more time on that since we're, since we're in the weeds here. I do have some questions from my audience from both Twitter and my Discord server. This was one that that someone on Twitter just submitted. So Lucien, you can tell me if you want this cut out or not, and we can just move on,<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:04<br /> <br /> but it sounds like it's gonna be good.<br /> <br /> ===&quot;Is [Doug Misicko] anti-semitic?===<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 37:06<br /> <br /> But someone on Twitter asks, Is he anti-semitic? Like everyone says the response?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:15<br /> <br /> I don't think everybody says that.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 37:17<br /> <br /> No, a very, very small handful of people say that 20 years ago,<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:21<br /> <br /> This podcast writes, I cracked some really distasteful-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 37:26<br /> <br /> I really don't need to cover this all over again, if you don't want to with like-<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:32<br /> Okay. People act like I avoid the question to okay, I don't I never<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 37:37<br /> <br /> know, I just, I just think you're probably sick of talking about it. But go on. We can we can talk about it.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:41<br /> <br /> Somebody wanted to know. Yeah, that's good enough. Fair. Okay. But, you know, even though I don't hold the same opinions that I held 20 years ago, I still can't let people say that my opinions were what they were not even 20 years ago. Yeah. So the comments I made were coming from a place of militant atheism. And I made these comments about how I felt it was okay, to make fun of Jews in certain circumstances. And, you know, this was a very inarticulate and idiotic way. And it's humiliating to me that people hear this now, I sound like a complete moron. And I'm saying that, you know, if, if you're talking about people dressed in traditional religious garb, and doing like, these archaic rituals, and that they actually believe that, you know, there's this one true God, and they're God's people, or whatever, that's worthy of mockery. But I said, even then, that I didn't believe that it was okay, by any means to throw people under the bus because of their ancestral lineage. I thought, and that was my way of saying, you know, ideologies are open for mockery, you know, somebody's genetic history, their ancestry, you know, things outside of ideological adherence, things like that, that's off limits. So you don't you don't hold that against somebody, but I still sounded like an idiot, it still sounded really insulting and, and I have no desire to insult religious Jews. Now, you know, I was much harsher on religion before, really, really having the religion of the Satanic Temple and realizing, you know, that I do think there's a space for people to have their beliefs as long as they don't impose them on anybody else. And that we can, you know, we can all just kind of share this space, and we don't have to, we don't have to be bothered by one another in this way. And that's what I was saying 20 years ago. And that said, you know, again, I disagree with a lot that I did believe 20 years ago, but that was what I would say I wouldn't I wouldn't talk that way now. You know, and I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings over that kind of thing. And I certainly wouldn't want to insult anybody, you know, from a Jewish background and, you know, I'm gonna pull the whole Jewish friend thing. But people have no idea how many of my closest personal contacts, including the other co-founder of the Satanic Temple come from Jewish backgrounds. Yeah, [[Cevin Soling|Malcolm]] is Jewish. Yeah, yeah. And, and the fact of the matter is, is, it's not usually my Jewish friends who are taking issue with this, it's usually some white kid somewhere, you know, getting pissed off, because they want to get pissed off is what I is what I think I'm seeing here, they saw an opportunity they saw, they saw a misstep in my language at a point and they don't have much else and they never want to let it go. And, you know, what would be better that I disappear from the public eye that I not do? The things I'm doing now. I mean, I have 10 years now, where I think my writings have elaborated my viewpoints and everything else. I mean, it would be different. I think if a podcast from 20 years ago, surfaced, and there was nothing else to say, for where I had come from, or what I'm doing, or where I stand today, or whatever. But after all this time and all this material, I think you're really fucking reaching. You know,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 41:18<br /> <br /> Have you seen the movie Doubt? [''Doug:'' I have not.] So- so, I might be making this up. And I talked about this in my interview with Katie Herzog last year, because she talks a lot about online dysfunction and being trashed online. And, you know, she was basically brutally turned on by her entire community. And in that conversation, I and I might, I was like, very high on drugs when I watched the movie. So I might entirely be making this up. And I haven't seen it since. But she, in the movie Doubt, there's this scene where a younger nun confronts the older nun played by, by the devil- Devil Wears Prada lady. And she is the older non the Mother Superior hates, this priest hates him and is trying to destroy him. And this younger nun says, you just don't like him. It hasn't this happen, it's because he's modern, it's because he uses modern pens. It's because he uses modern pencils, it's because he dresses in a modern way. Again, I might be entirely making this up. But this is what I remember. You just don't like him. And as a result you're trying to destroy him is, you know, again, this is me remembering this through the fog of you know, being on massive painkillers at the time. So take all of that with a grain of salt. But I think that there's something there in that I really think that so much of the rage that we see in online spaces, and so much of the so much of the attempts to destroy other people, it really almost very often has nothing to do with the reasons that they state, it just has to do with the fact that that person or rubs them the wrong way, the wrong way. And they don't like that person. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 43:10<br /> <br /> And they're people I've never met in my case, you know, like-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 43:14<br /> <br /> Oh, yeah, same. People I have been ruthlessly trashed on Twitter over the years, like brutally trashed, and people you've never spoken to probably like me.<br /> <br /> ===Doug obliquely references the [[United Federation of Churches LLC v. Johnson et al|UFC vs Johnson case]] and denies TST is a pyramid scheme===<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 43:21<br /> <br /> Oh, yeah, absolutely. And then then I see these claims. Like, I didn't hear- I didn't know about these people in Seattle until they had stolen our Facebook page and Twitter account or whatever, and started posting harassing doxxing things about us. And then, you know, we get all these claims, like, well, TST is a pyramid scheme and everything. Like without definition. TST is a cult, and it's like, well, how did how does that work? You know, like, in what way? Is it a cult and things like that? But it's like, ultimately, it's like, my big question is so what happened to you specifically? It's really bizarre to me that we see all these claims about the nature of TST without any of these people saying what actually happened to them?<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 44:09<br /> <br /> Yeah. Yeah. You know, the, the whole thing I've heard a lot of people throw around the word cult, and I'm like, I'm sorry. As someone who was raised in a pretty repressive evangelical setting. TST is like the anti-cult. I feel very free to be myself, to think my thoughts, to disagree with leadership when I need to, to air my opinions. I have never felt ever felt this an imposition on to how I think or how I live.<br /> <br /> ===On shunning former members: Doug claims, &quot;We never do that. We've never held it against somebody&quot;===<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 44:47<br /> <br /> You brought me back to it. I gotta go back to the Newsweek article. That's okay. But it was it was Salomé, who in the WHO inner quote claimed that it- And I mentioned it because this is the only time somebody tried to put a definition on what they meant by calling TST a cult. And according to Salomé, she got kicked out because of asking me about Twitter, which just isn't true, and I feel is provably untrue. Just given the fact that the, you know, you can look up other articles about the Twitter suit that will tell you it was actually about, you know, this tweet, talking about burning down our headquarters and things like that. But her claim was that then everybody was told not to associate with her not to talk with her and things like that. And that infuriates me because we never do that. We've never held it against somebody. But even in Salomé's case, her boyfriend was working with TST, nobody suggested he should resign. Yeah, nobody held it against him, she was kicked out for other reasons. And then, which had nothing to do with talking to me about Twitter, or anything like that. She was kicked out of TST he, you know, nobody, nobody said anything against him. You know, it was like, I don't know, you know, personally, I'm thinking, I don't know how you're gonna work this out at home or whatever, but but fine, you know, and he worked with us. And then he, he stopped for a while, but not because he had any animosity towards TST. They're not seeing each other anymore. And he's back with TST. But, you know, the whole, the whole thing just kind of underscores just how little, we've actually done to keep people from associating with anybody, even people who've provably been trying to do us harm.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 46:37<br /> <br /> Yep, exactly. You know, I've I have a few very close evangelical friends in the area, I call myself an ecumenical sloth. Like I hang out with all of like, every- I want more friends in life, I don't want fewer and so I- I have really close friends from a vast swath of religious backgrounds. And I really value those friendships. And so some of my very close evangelical friends I think, are- are kind of worried that I'm in a cult and one of my friends, one of my best friends actually voiced this he was like &quot;Steven I'm, there's something cult-like, going on here.&quot; And I was like, &quot;Okay, let's- let's talk about this some, let's- let's explore this.&quot; And he, he was like, &quot;Well, you know, it feels kind of like a cult of personality, like, you know, with Lucien up there at the top and Malcolm&quot; and I was just like, okay, okay, look, I don't think about Lucien Lucien. I'm basically only thinking about Lucien when he when he is in front of me talking to me on the show, what I am thinking about on a day to day basis is the community. That's what I'm thinking, because it isn't about Lucien or Malcolm, the community that they have built. isn't about either of these guys, it is about the people, and I don't suppose<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 47:50<br /> <br /> I wish I could be- I wish I could be more anonymous and less in the public. I honestly, invite by design, I feel like I'm as little as I can be. But if I honestly, if I did not need subscribers, I know. I know the theory. I know, I know, the theory is that I'm living large off of money made from TST, but that's not true.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 48:16<br /> <br /> You're living off of Patreon. Yeah, you're living off of Patreon. I get it.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 48:20<br /> <br /> No, it's not. It's not that great. You know, it only reasonably if I didn't, if I wasn't relying on that. You know, I'd probably delete all my social media and disappear.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 48:33<br /> <br /> I get it. No, I mean, yeah, no, my Patreon is the reason why I was able to repair my car last month. Like if if it weren't for my patrons, I wouldn't have been able to do that. It's so no like. And also there's this thing with the cult. The idea of being a cult. I was thinking about this after my conversation with my evangelical friend, I think what it came down to is you seem to be doing a lot of work with TST, and it's taking up a lot of your time. And because it is a new religious movement that is filtered because it's with a spooky religion that a lot of people don't understand that somehow gets filtered through cult and I was just like, Okay, I have put in equal, if not more amounts of work for mainline accepted religious traditions. I have worked for an Episcopalian Church. I was a missionary with Youth With A Mission. I have worked with various ministries before I left Christianity and became a Satanist at no point because of that level of work. And I mean, it is grinding work. I mean, it is- it can be soul-crushing work, at times too soul-crushing, but because it was evangelical and acceptable, the response was, &quot;Oh, look at the good work you're doing&quot;. Whereas now I put in a lot of work into something that I'm really passionate about and something that I really care about and a community that that I find very meaningful, and suddenly it's a cult. And I really think that it has a lot to do with the fact that it's a new religious movement that spooks people.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko, on cults==<br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 50:10<br /> <br /> Well, for some people, the word cult is just a synonym for new religious movement. And in for that reason, some of the academics won't even use the word cult because they feel like it's just a pejorative against new religions. I'm different. I feel like the word cult is useful. It has meaning, but there's not a clear definition as to what distinguishes, there's usually kind of checklists, you know, about what kind of things are called, tends to do what makes something a cult, but I think, you know, part of the measure of a cult is whether it's people have a cultic relationship with it in- sometimes people will have a cultic relationship with sports teams, or whatever else. And on my end, the people come to TST, and they have kind of a cult-like mentality, they make me nervous. And they're usually the people who defect, the loudest and hardest too they get pissed off. Because true, they're not being told how to live in a, they're getting mad, because I'm not dictating the minutiae of their political opinions to them and things like that. So then they get the idea that I disagree with the greater cause whatever it might be, you know, and that not that I'm just placing less limits on, you know, where my authority is on, on dictating what are, you know, what the thought processes are within the satanic community and stuff like that. And, you know, I think that in order for something to be called a cult, you do have to have something that's very hierarchical, very authoritarian, engages in an authoritarian conditioning, and does do things like excommunicate people for, for asking questions or isolating people from, from other people who might not believe the tenets of Satanism and that type of thing. Oh, very much antithetical to the social culture that we've developed within the Satanic Temple in reality. But what's funny about that is, you know, we've never done we've, from the very beginning, we've been had this anti-cult mentality. And that's also kind of by design, because I've studied cults, you know, I've studied new religious movements, and have done so since before the inception of tst. So I know these kinds of things to look out for and I know the things we don't want to become and that kind of thing. Things to warn against what's disheartening and somewhat fascinating, is to see that, despite all of that, you get the accusation anyway.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 52:38<br /> <br /> Yes, yeah. And it really does, I think, have to do in part with the fact that we are a minority religion, we're one of the spooky religions. The, the Catholic Church is almost never you know, unless you're Richard Dawkins, or Sam Harris, never accused of being a cult and yet they have some- you know, I was Catholic for a time and they have some pretty horrific policies even as they have tried to reform some the a lot of the policies and the Holy Orders, for example, my partner is a Jesuit and the the strictures that they put on you are stunning. People don't call the Jesuits a cult. People don't call holy orders a cult but- and that's because it's a mainline accepted religion. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 53:27<br /> <br /> Right. And I think, you know, we're, we've always just been vulnerable to accusation being a new religious movement and being Satanists. And I think that, you know, just the most disappointing part is to see you know, who's exploited that the most and it's generally been I think, narcissistic people came to TST hoping to up their public profile and you know, if they couldn't do it with us, they do it against us.<br /> <br /> ==Doug is asked about Augustus Sol Invictus==<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 53:55<br /> <br /> So since we're airing, dirty laundry and and so on, there's another accusation that comes up a lot. Do you have time by the way, what how are you on time?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 54:05<br /> <br /> I have- I have time for accusations.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 54:07<br /> <br /> Okay. Well, okay, so just another thing that I see going around that I think would that would be helpful for some clarity on and I'm pretty sure I you know, I'm not worried about it. But I think a lot of people that I've seen and by a lot I mean, a few people on Twitter, you are you have sometimes been accused of having a relationship. People cannot see my air quotes, but they're here, your &quot;relationship&quot; with Augustus Sol Invictus. Do you know about that?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 54:41<br /> <br /> And- and yeah, I know about that, but I don't know him. Yeah, exactly. You can to him. I've never read his bullshit material. Like, I don't care. Like I guess-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 54:50<br /> <br /> First let's back up. Let's back up and tell people who Augustus Sol Invictus is.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 54:54<br /> <br /> I don't really he's some guy in Florida and he's a- he's one of those.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 54:58<br /> <br /> He's an alt-right guy, isn't he? What's that? He's an alt-right guy, isn't he?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 55:02<br /> <br /> I guess I guess something. Yeah. Well, he's one of those who has one of those kind of old school LaVeyan perspectives on on the Left Hand Path from what I understand the authoritarian type thing or whatever. And what happened was, I was invited to speak at a Left Hand Path conference, and he was invited to and I knew he was invited in. I don't like the ideas being put forward by that camp. You know what I mean? And to be honest, I really was looking forward to the idea of being able to debate this guy, make him look like a fucking fool. And then they disinvited him because people were complaining that he was a fascist. And so I withdrew from the conference myself, because I felt that was kind of the point. You know what I mean? Like, there's, I feel like there's baggage in the self-identified Left Hand Path community, and that it doesn't go away by ignoring that it was there, you know, what I mean? It's like, I think the more people who realize what LaVeyanism was trying to tell us or which directions that went with some of these people, the better honestly, you know, like, I think they can understand better where we're coming from and contrast to that, and they'll understand better, why maybe that's not the way to go, you know, it makes me sick to see like the CoS Twitter feed, trying to essentially imitate us, you know, while saying that we're imitating them by clearly taking on like this progressive politics demeanor and their public messaging, while in the background, you can see they're, they're being run by, you know, very much alt-right characters. And so, I did not like the idea of people bitching and moaning and getting somebody thrown out of a conference that way, and I never have in- this is something that- this is what makes people call call me alt-right, you know, because they want to shut down speech preemptively. And that kind of thing, I withdrew, I wrote a thing. And I said, this is why I withdrew. And now all of a sudden, it turns into best buddies with this guy. And every so often, you know, people will demand that I denounce certain characters like Milo Yiannopoulos, or, you know, other alt-right guys, and the fact of the matter is, I have not read their material, I'm not interested in their material, I'm not interested in their thoughts. I'm not interested in these pop culture alt-right guys, and I'm not going to read their fucking material, go through their comments and statements, just to appease some assholes on Twitter, who demand that I denounce these guys whose material I don't give a shit about and who-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 57:48<br /> <br /> Are if they spent any time reading your work, it would be obvious that you are not aligned with them in any way. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 57:55<br /> <br /> Yeah. And- and also, I'm not going to denounce people if I'm not going to read their material either. Fair, because the things I've said, I've heard- I've seen people say about what people said, as opposed to what those people actually said, sometimes is really far off the fucking mark.<br /> <br /> ==Discussion of Milo Yiannopoulos==<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 58:12<br /> <br /> True. And you know, you mentioned Milo Yiannopoulos. There, there was this thing where, and this is another thing that held against you on Twitter, is that you spoke out against somewhere I forget where this was, maybe some article or whatever, some interview, I don't, I don't know, where you spoke out against the violent reactions against Milo at Berkeley. And this was, and you know, this is like ancient internet history now. But back when Milo Yiannopoulos was unfortunately irrelevant. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 58:49<br /> <br /> He basically he went on this tour, if you asked me, they made him relevant. Part of my that was part of my complaint there. I honestly hadn't heard of the guy until people were burning shit down at Berkeley, because I don't fucking read Breitbart. I don't read the presumed witticisms of some, you know, confused gay<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 59:10<br /> <br /> cars, etc. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 59:14<br /> <br /> Well, I mean, confused, I think on his political orientation comes to the rest of that maybe not as sexual orientation.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 59:19<br /> <br /> However, now he's come out as ex-gay. And that's, that's the movement that I come out of. I was in the ex gay world. And so now he's like, I'm going through reparative therapy and all of this stuff. So he's also confused on his sexual orientation as well, not just his political orientation.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 59:35<br /> <br /> Right, right. But, you know, if people had read my comments, it would have been, you know, the point's that, you know, you're making this guy, a household name. Yes. And you're really diverting attention away from what he's actually saying, by bringing attention to him speaking at this school, because now you know, you've given this guy the opportunity to just position himself as a free speech. Warrior, you know, devoid of whatever topical content he was actually going to cover whatever else. And you know, it really worked for him. You can see, you know, there was a lot of commentary even mainstream articles were talking about how he had become, you know, a household name overnight because, you know, protesters at Berkeley insisted on making it so now, you'll see them today saying C D platforming works because ironically, they're referring to Yiannopoulos his own words where he posted something talking about us since I've been canceled. I've lost so much money. I don't have speaking engagements and stuff like that bullshit. Bullshit. What really sunk him was that he opened his mouth too fucking much.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:00:41<br /> Yeah, it was the right that canceled him. It wasn't the Left.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:00:45<br /> <br /> Right. He started talking. He started talking sympathetically about pedophilia. Karana show. Yeah. And that was when he got canceled. It was like, you know, those attempts to cancel him at Berkeley only made him big. And then he said shit that offended the Conservatives too. And everybody kind of forgot about him. And now everybody tells their own convenient narrative about how like, oh, look, you gotta burn shit down. And then you know, then you've deplatformed a guy.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:01:12<br /> <br /> I think that Milo Yiannopoulos is a failure of the Left. And I think that because he wasn't the the Left. And by the Left, I don't mean just, you know, like the communists and social democrats and democratic socialist and so on. I mean, you know, left of center, we the Left, it was the Right that defeated Milo. It wasn't the Left, the Left had such horribly bad tactics in their response to him, it is almost as if they had never encountered a troll before in their life. It was as if they had never learned how to deal with a shitty troll. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:01:50<br /> <br /> Right? And in my mind, they elevated him, yes, on this pedestal for the conservatives. And then they got mad at people like me for saying, I don't think you should handle it this way. And I'm also a Nazi. That just kills me the most about progressive politics, when it's when it gets to that point where it's like, you can't discuss best tactics without people saying like, you know, that you- that you must be against the cause. Like there was a- there was a statistician who got fired from his job for tweeting on-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:02:24<br /> <br /> Shore, David Shore. Yeah, yes, I know, it was right.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:02:29<br /> <br /> Protests broke out after George Floyd was murdered. And he said, you know, and sure, it might not have been the right time. But you know, he's an analytical mind. [Right.] You got to make some concessions for people's difference, differences in processing emotional material too. Yes, but he he thought it was important to point out that, you know, violence in the streets, riots, protests in an election year, traditionally favor a Republican candidate. [Correct.] And it's true. There's support that it's- there's in, you know, people were saying, now is not the time, now is not the time to talk about it? Of course it is. And he went on to fucking talk about it, when it's most relevant when it's happening when you can stop something from being a problem. When it's time to talk tactic, you know, you're you're hitting, that just kills me when people kill the messenger like that he could have even been wrong, you know, what I mean? You could you could look at the data and maybe say, like, ah, actually, it turns out, that's not true. There was a, you know, there was a, there was an error and data collection at the time, whatever, you know, what I mean? So what it doesn't mean, he said it in malice, you know, I fully believe that he believed, because I also believe that that's a true fact that the kind of violence in the streets everything traditionally favors Republicans who people wrongly, I think view is the law and order party, you know, that the consistent stable, you know, the the underlying mentality of conservatism, you know, people will start leaning towards that, and there was certainly nothing wrong with him pointing that out. And there's no reason to believe that he had right wing sympathies because of it. But anyways, that was my long belabored way of saying that that's what I really, just really what I find most disheartening about progressive activism right now is that insistence that of latching on to one tactic, and then deciding that anything that that might question that tactic is heresy.<br /> <br /> ==SBL: &quot;many parts of the Left are shutting down avenues for self-criticism and self-correction&quot;==<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:04:27<br /> <br /> You're hitting on something that I've been thinking a lot about lately, and I've been trying to find a way to write about this on my blog. And so I'm just going to say it and maybe this will turn into a blog post but something that's really worrying me about our current progressive place is I- I feel like, and this might not be accurate, but I feel like a lot of- part of- many parts of the Left are shutting down avenues for self-criticism and self-correction and when, because of how those criticisms might rhyme with something that the Right says, Right. And the reason this really worries me is that a movement that cannot self-correct, that cannot introspect that cannot correct course, from within is just doomed to failure. And the Left already has too long of a history of infighting. And I mean, all the way, you know, going back decades, I mean, this isn't like the modern meme of the Left eats its own on Twitter, it's this, this, it's a trend that goes back a long ways of, of just not being able to find unity, not being able to find, you know, a common cause, a common ground within leftist movements. And, of course, there are some important exceptions, like the civil rights movement, and so on, gay rights, etc. But I'm really worried that we are- that we progressives are shutting down avenues for self criticism, because of how it rhymes with something that the right says. And so often, I will be in conversation with someone and I say something, and suddenly, it's as if there is the ghost of Milo Yiannopoulos standing right behind me. And they're no longer talking to me, they're talking to that apparition over my shoulder, they're talking about they're taught, suddenly talking to that troll, who's, and I'm like, &quot;No, no, no, no, listen to what I'm saying about free speech. You're not talking to a right-wing troll on Twitter, you're talking to me, and I'm not on the Left, or I'm not on the Right, you know who I am?&quot; You know, I'm not on the Right. Why are you interacting with me as if I am suddenly this troll for bringing up concerns about free speech bringing up concerns about that, that might derail the goals of the left?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on free speech==<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:06:56<br /> <br /> And it is true that you see the right-wing camp always bring up the concept of free speech now as though they've always been the champions of free speech. It's not true. You know, exactly. Ronald Reagan was very much against the free speech movement at Berkeley in his time, and Governor there, he did much to try to shut it down. While Martin Luther King was the champion of free speech at the time, and the hippies and the hippies, were all championing their causes under the banner of free speech and things like that, you know, and it goes back and forth. And you have to, you have to, you have to set principles that can work regardless of the times, right. And if you look at the Satanism of the Satanic Temple, entrenched in our very tenants''[sic]'' is this notion of a self-correcting system, yes, reliant upon debate, free speech, and free inquiry, and you must have all of those things together, you can't take one of them apart, and then have the rest of them, they all- they're all dependent on one another. So if you're still grappling with the idea, that free speech sometimes defends speech that you find offensive, or callous, or whatever else in- you're not able to reconcile that with a principal position that would still allow the Satanic Temple to speak. You know, when Catholics complain, or whatever else, all these questions I bring up in the free speech articles that nobody meant- nobody bothers to address before they start criticizing my position and in pretending that it's merely an avenue by which I'm defending the most odious speech possible. You know, it's just intellectual dishonesty. But to me, that's the essence of who we are. And that really separates us, I think, from the pop culture, politics, this social media activism that we see now, that's going to be a very short-term thing. And I think, you know, our integrity depends on having real principled positions that we will be able to apply consistently, regardless of whichever way the pendulum swings.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:09:11<br /> <br /> Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think one of the reasons why the the rights of minorities have been so successful in this country. And of course, that is not saying that there aren't still problems, there are absolutely still problems, the rights for- but the rights for gay people, trans people, etc, have been an absolute triumph in America. And there's still more work to be done. But I think one of the reasons why it was a triumph as well as the Civil Rights Movement is because of the Free Speech protections and without those free speech protections, minorities, who people do want to shut up, who people would rather, you know, say &quot;No, they're disgusting. Don't ever listen to them&quot; because of free speech protections that are universal. Right, those rights were able to advance and that isn't the only component. But I feel like it's a very important component.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:10:06<br /> <br /> It is a very important component. And, you know, I, you know, I think this is part of the problem where goes back to the problem of people viewing us as merely political and not really religious. So I feel like they take our claims for equal access to be more of an act of trolling or pranksterism than something that comes from a genuine place. And I don't think they understand that there are some of us who genuinely feel it when some city council says we can't deliver an invocation when they're allowing prayers from other religious groups to stand up there. I don't think they they understand it, when we're treated differently in the courts, that we're not laughing on the way home, we're horrified. We're horrified feeling that, you know, it's been codified that it's allowed to marginalize us in that way. I think there are a lot of people who feel like we've taken on a superfluous identity that we could walk away from, and they're not considering the fact that no, we really feel this is an essential part of our identity, and we're being shit upon. And so they hear our arguments for free speech, and their first thoughts aren't thinking, oh, yeah, that makes sense. They're Satanists. Everybody's always trying to shut them up. Every time they do anything. There's other religious groups claiming that all they're doing is trying to offend them. They don't really know the reality of it. And I think part of their part of their proclivity to see our arguments, in the least charitable light also come from that failure to understand who we are.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:11:44<br /> <br /> Yeah, absolutely. Well, we should probably wrap this up. But do you have any final thoughts before we we wrap this up? <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:11:52<br /> <br /> I wasn't thinking anything the whole time.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:11:57<br /> I don't think you were just in a void. I understand. Cool. Well, well, one last question. Do you have another? I think we might have talked about this last time. But just real quick, do you have? Is there another Satanic Planet album looming on the horizon? And if so, do you know when it's coming?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:12:16<br /> <br /> I don't know when it's coming. But we're working on it now. And we've got a couple tracks that I really like. And now we're working with Dave Lombardo through the creative process, which is a whole new thing too. So it's kind of like a new, there's a new element to the band. Previously, we had recorded everything in the studio. And then we gave it all to Lombardo and he added stuff to it. This time, he's more part of the creative process with writing the music and everything. And I'm being less cautious with my vocals, this time around, trying to expand on that and try out different things. And so far, everything's working out really well. And I'm really excited about the next Satanic Planet album. And as it appears, it seems like Satanic Planet will play its first show in February as part of SatanCon. And we'll play some of our new material then and hopefully, we'll also stream the show on TST TV or something like that. But really looking forward to that. And you know, when I have a lot of tedious shitty work and a lot of administrative stuff, and a lot of trying to mediate disputes and things like that, I'm just so grateful that I also have a creative project to work with. That comes together as well as Satanic Planet.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:13:36<br /> <br /> Awesome. All right. Well, I think that's it for this show. The music is by Eleventy Seven, the theme song is Wild by Eleventy Seven. You can find it on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you listen to music. This show is written, produced and edited by me Steven Bradford Long and as a production of Rock Candy Recordings. As always, Hail Satan, and thanks for listening.</div>

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<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>==Background==<br /> Podcast title: Sacred Tension: Orgies, Cults, and Lies feat. [[Lucien Greaves]]<br /> STEPHEN BRADFORD LONG<br /> Published: August 20, 2022<br /> <br /> ==Show notes (as published)==<br /> NOVEMBER 14, 2021 ~ STEPHEN BRADFORD LONG<br /> In this episode of Sacred Tension, Lucien Greaves returns to discuss every allegation of fascism and antisemitism against him and The Satanic Temple.<br /> &lt;ref&gt;[https://stephenbradfordlong.com/2021/11/14/sacred-tension-orgies-cults-and-lies-with-lucien-greaves/ Podcast link]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> SUMMARY KEYWORDS<br /> people, tst, satanic temple, free speech, claims, article, cult, activism, twitter, talking, satanists, satanic, feel, religion, milo, thought, newsweek, question, podcast, true<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> <br /> SPEAKERS<br /> Stephen Bradford Long, Lucien Greaves<br /> <br /> 00:00<br /> <br /> You're listening to a rock candy podcast. Hey, I'm Andrew. And I'm John. Our show magnified pod is the only podcast that discusses culture, religion, politics, and deep dives into the discographies of the bands that shaped a generation of 90s youth group kids, check out magnified pod on the rock candy Podcast Network and wherever you get your podcasts<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 00:34<br /> <br /> This is Sacred Tension, the podcast about the discipline of asking questions. My name is Steven Bradford Long and we are here on the Rock Candy podcast network. For more shows like this one, go to rockcandyrecordings.com. All right. Well, we have [[Lucien Greaves]] back on the show. But before we get to that, as always, I have to thank my patrons. They are my personal lords and saviors, and they enable my crippling content creation addiction. So for this week, I have to thank Jeremy13, Sarah, Justin, Paul, and Rabbit Waller, thank you all so much. If you want to join their number, just go to patreon.com/stevenbradfordlong. That sound was Lucien Greaves, dropping something in the background. And if you want to join their number, just go to patreon.com/stevenbradfordlong and for $1 A month or $5 a month, you get extra content every single week, including my House of Heretics live show. You can drop in on the chat it is every Wednesday morning at 11am. Timothy McPherson, former Salvation Army officer and I discuss all kinds of things. Whatever's going on in the world. We talk about movies, we talk about religion, we talk about politics, we talk about mental health, just whatever is interesting to us in that moment we discuss and it also really, really helps the show. Also, the show is sponsored by thesatanictemple.tv. If you enjoy the occult, if you enjoy rituals, live streams, lectures, there's all kinds of stuff on thesatanictemple.tv. And you can get one month free using my promo code SACREDTENSION all caps, no space at checkout. And finally, one of the best ways to support this show is to leave a five star review on Apple podcasts ,that tells our digital overlords that this show is worth sharing with others. So I'm going to share a five star review. This one is from Great Britain by Georgia Buns, and Georgia says brilliant just listened to the episode with Katie Herzog loved the conversation host knows how to have a really interesting, insightful, intelligent discussion. Short and sweet and very kind. That was also one of my favorite shows. By the way, my interview with Katie Herzog that I did last year. She's a fascinating grumpy lesbian political commentator and fellow podcaster. She does the Blocked and Reported podcast. I highly recommend everyone go listen to that one. It's called Getting Cancelled with Katie Herzog. All right, well, please just take a moment to go leave a five star review on Apple podcasts. It really helps. All right, with all of that out of the way. Lucien Greaves, welcome back. Hello. I feel like it's been a bit longer than usual. Since you've been on<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 03:34<br /> <br /> Time, it's lost meaning for me last couple years,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 03:37<br /> <br /> It really has no odor. Is it just me? Or is 2021 Harder than 2020? Like, I feel like this worse this year has been more terrible, more dreadful than 2020. For whatever reason<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko claims he has &quot;stop[ped] really caring what people think&quot;==<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 03:52<br /> <br /> Oh, no, I knew I knew what I was getting into. As soon as the pandemic started, I thought that I was looking at some long term changes in my personality that I might not be able to roll back. And I was more afraid that I'd get comfortable with it. And I feel like that's the point I've gotten at now. But it's similar to like when people say enough rotten things about you on the internet or whatever. And you stop really caring what people think. And people always applaud that notion of just getting over what other people think about you or whatever. But being the recipient of that and you know, having gone forward with a lot of my projects, you know, not caring what the opposition would think but still seeing people who should know better say terrible things. I can tell you that you lose an essential part of yourself when you really truly stop caring what people think because they burned you out so much on their outrage in their baseless criticisms.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 04:48<br /> <br /> You know, I I really relate to that. Honestly. Everyone's like, no, just embrace being yourself and don't care what other people think online and I'm like, No, I actually care a lot. It, it is in my nature to care a lot about what other people think of me. Also, I think it's in human nature to care a lot about what other people think of us. And if we don't, then we're fucking sociopaths. And so the that having that ability to care what people on the internet, think of me having that burned out of me doesn't feel very healthy.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 05:22<br /> <br /> Like if you go to sleep early when shitty people dislike you for who you are, but when shitty people are trying to frame you as somebody completely different from who you are, you know, that's when it's infuriating and frustrating and everything else.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 05:37<br /> <br /> Yeah, I have a couple of Medium articles going around about me, you know, kind of critiquing my work. And I've, I've noticed how it has made me cynical of everything that I see online. When I when I watch how people I know, people- and some people who I consider to be friends who have just been dragged and trashed and lied about online so much. It makes me just question everything I see online because I, I now know how easy it is for lies to spread. And so the end result is that I just don't believe anything. And I don't know, if that is a healthy headspace to be in.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 06:28<br /> <br /> Right, I know exactly what you're saying. Or when you're deeply skeptical of your relationships, your interpersonal relationships, because you've gotten burned too badly too many times. And of course, the whole social dynamic for me in the past 10 years doing Satanic Temple changed dramatically from the time prior to that. And it's it's a pretty difficult adjustment to come to that place where even people close to you can treat you as an object to a vehicle for their own self aggrandizement or whatever else to cash you out as a friend, you know, for more hits online or whatever. But you can't help but, but change a bit when you experience quite a bit of that. And not all of it's going to be for the better.<br /> <br /> ==Discussion on the [[The Satanic Temple, Inc. v. Newsweek Magazine LLC|''Newsweek'' article]]==<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 07:16<br /> <br /> Yeah, I relate to everything you're saying right now. It isn't pleasant. I mean, part of it is I guess, just the reality of being a public figure. Part of it is just being a content creator. I wouldn't say I'm a public figure and not to the degree that you are but I am a content- you know, I've I've watched people who I thought were friends just turn on me so hard. And and it's it's a very challenging thing to experience. But okay, so all of that aside, there is a new article out about TST, and none of us want to talk about it, but we might as well fucking talk about it. It came out on Newsweek. And it is- hold on the title is, is on the honestly, the title is the best thing about it. Let me let me pull this up real fast. I have it.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 08:08<br /> <br /> Well, in case you didn't know, it was also authored by a Christian writer who started at Newsweek, like a month ago. It looks to be an elderly lady, and she's written about sexual purity from the Christian perspective, as well as other Christian writings.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 08:25<br /> <br /> Oh, so that's why there's such a big stink about sex positivity and TST.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 08:30<br /> <br /> Yeah, yeah, that was a thread I don't even know. I didn't know why she wanted to pull at first until I looked up her background, but she's she's really apparently offended by the idea of sex positivity in general.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 08:46<br /> <br /> Yeah. So the title of this article is orgies, harassment, fraud, Satanic Temple rocked- Hold on God dammit, my phone just went went dead. orgies harassment fraud, Satanic Temple rocked by Accusations, Lawsuit.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 09:03<br /> <br /> So there were no accusations of orgies. I'm not sure what accusations of harassment they were talking about in there. The accusation of fraud is a claim about a claim. And there were several claims about claims in this article here was there were claims about sexual abuse, but there were no actual claims of sexual abuse. And I'm not aware of these claims. They have a quote from somebody saying that they'd received all these more than anecdotal complaints about sexual abuse within TST or whatever. And I thought, Well, why haven't I heard about these and why didn't the journalist try to talk to anybody who might be one of the people actually making the complaint rather than secondhand quote saying that, Oh, these complaints are somewhere but fraud. There's- I don't even think there's an accusation of fraud and anything said in the article. Yeah,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 09:56<br /> <br /> That one was- that one confused me.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 09:59<br /> <br /> Also, by I'm gonna tell people right now tell them we've- we've demanded a retraction from Newsweek it- because it's so egregious and you know, people were already saying, well what are the optics of it so you're gonna sue Newsweek or whatever and I'm, why not, you know, well you're the Free Speech guys. Well we still are, you know read my articles about free speech we always make room for defamation. Exactly. You know when it's provable inaccuracies like this and there's some egregious provable bullshit in this article. Like they have a quote from somebody calling herself salami, I guess and from Pensacola saying-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 10:38<br /> <br /> Salomé, I think it's Salomé, but salami, sure, yes, the salami works.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 10:42<br /> <br /> But salami claims that she was thrown out of TST, after asking me why I was using TST money to pursue a personal lawsuit against Twitter for having suspended my account. And this was just placed in the article and her statement taken at face value. Whereas the fact of the matter is, that conversation never took place. And if somebody had come to me and said, Why is TST use- Why are using TST money for this personal suit, I would have merely explained, well, we have pro-bono representation for one thing. So TST resources aren't being expended. But for another, it wasn't a lawsuit about my personal account getting suspended, although that fact was rolled into the complaint as evidence of disparate treatment. The whole story was- is that somebody tweeted that somebody needed to burn down our headquarters, and Cory Feldman's washed out child actor retweeted it. And he's got a bit of a following. So it started to get to get horrifying to see that there was traction growing for this idea. And it's very clearly a tweet that runs afoul of Twitter's Terms of Service. So I reported the tweet, Twitter came back said, this does not violate our Terms of Service. I retweeted the tweet and asked my audience to also report the tweet because Twitter wasn't looking at my reports, for some reason, then Twitter suspended not only my account, but the main TST account, temporary basis for the main TST account by association with me, permanent suspension on my account. And they said what I had done was targeted harassment against the person who would call for our headquarters to get burned down. And now this, to us seemed like a worthwhile battle to fight. Like, we didn't feel for a moment that another religious group would be treated that way. And we didn't want to normalize this idea that people can call for us to be killed publicly, and build this idea that there is a general approval of that, you know, fighting back against that I felt serve the broader interests of our community, without question. So there was nothing about that, quote, that was true. And when the journalist reached out to me initially, she asked me questions, but she didn't ask me questions about anything that she ended up including in her article, she started out really hung up on the various corporate entities that TST has built up over the time that we've had this organization. And, you know, she clearly saw something nefarious in the fact that we have [[United Federation of Churches, LLC]], [[Reason Alliance]] TST- TST Inc, you know, [[The Satanic Temple Inc]]. And then things like TST TV, you know, the- the the other enterprise that runs [[The Satanic Estate|Winstonian Enterprises Ltd]] and things like that. And I explained to her well, we started out as an LLC, because we weren't Tech, we weren't religiously tax exempt, and we hadn't asked for it. We went with United Federation of Churches, because, you know, we might have been looking to work in our denomination only and, you know, not be written off applying for something or whatever, just, you know, straightforward with the name, the Satanic Temple 10 years ago, you know, we're the ones who really broke the ice, you know, so nine Federation churches seemed safe. And then we realized we didn't have the same kind of access to religious accommodations as other religious groups. So we had to fight he just broke up really fast.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 14:39<br /> <br /> You- You- You- Didn't you realize that you didn't have the same access to what?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 14:45<br /> <br /> are two accommodations made for religious entities, whereas were some things required a 501(3)(c), and one of those things was doing after school clubs. So at the time we were doing the After School Satan clubs, we needed a 501(c), (c)(3), we set up [[Reason Alliance]]. And the mission of Reason Alliance is to support the Satanic Temple, it's very openly that way. And then the Satanic Temple Inc, came along as a result of the IRS recognizing us as IRS tax exempt, we need to separate, we need to set up an entity for that. So she keeps going over this and keeps trying to, and she was not very bright. You know, like I talked to her at length, and she wasn't comprehending a lot of things. And I was telling her like, look, Judicial Watch has looked into us, and they're definitely not on our side. You know, every time we go into court and do discovery, our opposition thinks maybe they'll find something in these corporate documents, corporate structure, tax returns and everything. They don't, you know, we've gone through this again, and again,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 15:52<br /> <br /> What's- what's Judicial Watch?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 15:55<br /> <br /> Judicial Watch is this right-wing organization that likes to catch what they deemed to be progressive, liberal, socialist communist groups. And in, you know, they do like public records requests. That's pretty much all they do. And then they they try to scandalize whatever they find. And then Judicial Watch's case, they were looking into our corporate structure. And they came up with this narrative about how the Obama administration fast tracked our 501(c)(3) for Reason Alliance.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 16:27<br /> <br /> Therefore, Obama's a Satanist. So that's what that means.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 16:31<br /> <br /> Right, right. In Forbes magazine, you know, a tax expert looked at all our stuff and wrote a- wrote a article based on the Judicial Watch press release. And he was saying that, you know, there's nothing wrong with our corporate structure, there's, you know, nothing to see there. And even though it might be confusing, that's just the way it is. So I'm getting all this outreach from this Newsweek lady. And finally, I said to her an email, I wrote to her, and I said, &quot;Look, all this noise about our corporate structure, I would call it a conspiracy theory, if there were a theory behind it.&quot; But I told her, as far as I know, it's just people saying that they're confused. And they're not experts on corporate structure to begin with. I was like, if you want to talk to any of the lawyers who helped set this up for the accountants to help clear this up for you fine. But I hope before you make with some story that makes it look like there's something wrong here, you least have an idea of what's wrong? And what would be right. You know, first, tell us how you think we're nefariously benefiting from this corporate structure that we have. And then tell us knowing the evolution of the organization and why we have these different entities? How what you would do to make it any different. And that's when she shut up about that. And that's pretty much when she stopped asking me questions about anything at all, because I think she was worried that it would take away her ability to write the story that she wanted. And ultimately, she just wanted to write salacious claims that she dug up from the internet and had people repeat to her who had written them before. And absolutely, and this is way outside the bounds of Newsweek. So I'm guidelines which they put on their website, you know, they not giving us any opportunity to respond to any of these things. And even not, you know, tracking down the sources, like I said, publishing hearsay claims claims about claims is just to me, it seems really egregious, and I'm not sure where we're at with the retraction demand now, but you would have thought she'd have been a little careful, because she also spoke at length with our lawyer to begin with and quoted our lawyer in the piece.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 18:48<br /> <br /> That's, uh, yeah, I was really surprised about that. Like, how did you fuck this up so much? You talked to [[Matt|Matt Kezhaya]], you talked to Lucien like that. That's like, it was clearly deliberate.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 19:02<br /> <br /> It was a- it was- right. Well, we've made the point in the demand for retraction too, that the story itself is terribly inconsistent- claims very inconsistent things about us at one point you have as being called this polyamorous social justice warrior Club,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 19:21<br /> <br /> Which is fine, which would be fine. There's nothing wrong with the-<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to refute being &quot;cozy with the alt-right&quot;===<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 19:25<br /> <br /> -other hand, but but you also have the claim that we're cozy with the alt-right, or whatever it is, well, in this claim that there's pictures of leaders in, you know, with with alt-right leaders and stuff like that, and I'm like, &quot;What pictures are we talking about?&quot; Like, how do you make a claim, like, did the reporter actually see any of these pictures, or did she just hear that or what? Like it? There were several other things that that were just totally inconsistent as well. That led us to say in the last or like, it's clear that the only thing consistent in the article is that it just lists disparaging claims against TST. So it's very difficult to avoid a conclusion of actual malice, which is something you would have to prove in a defamation case.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 20:15<br /> Yeah. I'm interested about the potential objection that well, aren't you the free speech people? Why are you asking for a retraction and I just like want to clarify for everyone. That is Twitter logic, that is the- that is- that is like teenage right wing troll Twitter logic, that like- that, that level of free speech stupidity has nothing to do with free speech law in the United States. A reach demanding a retraction has nothing to do with the foundational principle of free speech<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 20:54<br /> <br /> Well enough, like I said, if anybody reads my writing about free speech, I cover defamation. And I also say, in the articles that I've written, that what I'm arguing for isn't less restrictions on free speech than we have now. I'm really worried it comes to free speech, I'm usually arguing for the status quo, I'm usually arguing skeptically against further restricting free speech, you know, more so than the standards we have right now. You know, defamation-caused violence, things like that. Like, I'm not, I don't think I'm appropriately cast aside as the Free Speech absolutist, they say I am I know, there's, there's certain scenarios, you know, if you, if, if you say, you know, kill them, you know, and the crowd rushes over and kills them or whatever, you, you're gonna bear some blame, you're gonna bear some responsibility, if you publish a pamphlet claiming that your neighbor's a pedophile, and there's no reason to think so, you know, there should be consequences for that kind of thing. And I feel like when you're a news outlet is as large as Newsweek, and you do something as irresponsible, as publishing our article like this, you know, in in, you know, clearly, there was no effort made to validate or disconfirm any of this or even ask us about the claims to that is also egregious, and, you know, results in real, real reputational harm.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 22:28<br /> <br /> Yeah. For anyone interested in the free speech subject, I really recommend everyone go listen to my interviews with Adam Goldstein, from FIRE, which is the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. And they're fantastic and Adam's great. And he he's a free speech lawyer and lays out a lot of what free speech is and isn't in the United States. So yeah, definitely go check that out. Yeah. I think the impression I had while reading it was I felt like the goal of the article was to make was was that Satanists being in squabbles has kind of a carnival freak-show quality to some people, and they just wanted to make Satanists look stupid. It was a carnival sideshow. Like look at these freaks over here.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 23:19<br /> <br /> Well, it's funny how our detractors just jumped right in for the opportunity to be in this- in this piece and have their voices heard or whatever. That's literally- they're literally teaming up with like a pro-abstinence Christian authors simply looking to take down Satanists.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 23:37<br /> <br /> Yes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And, you know, the other thing that stood out to me in this article was, you know, reader perception versus reality, the perception is still that we are primarily an activist organization, and that we are atheists pretending to be Satanists. And, you know, the plot twist. And the reality is, no, we're actually Satanists who happen to be atheists, that that's kind of how I personally frame it. It's like, No, we are a religious organization. Satanist is a deeply held religious identity.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 24:13<br /> <br /> Oh, there was also the absurd line in that in that article saying that it's unclear whether we actually practice the abortion ritual, and it's like, well, this is a documented fact, you know, this is something that's going to court now. Yeah, this is something that's under oath, sworn into affidavits. And, you know, again, the journalist didn't ask us about any skepticism she may have had regarding that. But it's like, why would you be skeptical about somebody's religious claim of such to begin with? And if you are, why wouldn't you ask? And, you know, how did that make it? How did that make it past an editor?<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 24:51<br /> <br /> Yeah, there's an extraordinary lack of curiosity in the whole thing and, you know, I, so- I do a lot of work in Satanic Ministry, which is kind of the, for audience- for people in the audience that's like basically the clergy of the Satanic Temple and it is. So, it is, it has become- it is so clear and so obvious to me that- that this organization has a religious life, there is- there is a religious life to this organization that is core to TST that is like that, that religious identity and that religious life is central to TST and the activism, the activism flows from it and that's- that's how I see it and it's so, it's almost jarring to me when I when I see these claims of you know, you're you're just activists and it's really like this article framed TST naming they're renaming the chapters, congregations as almost like a cynical power move as a publicity stunt to appear more like a religion. And what's never considered is that no, you're right, she are a really good<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 26:05<br /> <br /> she said that explicitly. She said that, I believe she said that. We set up the congregation structure in order to appear like a mainstream church, whereas the reality is, we spent years putting together the ordination program, we didn't just put something online saying hey, buy a Ordained Minister card from the Satanic Temple. No, you have to be referred, you know, yet you have a letter of recommendation, we have- we have online coursework you have to go through and we have to be sufficiently convinced that you truly understand where we're coming from and are worthy of representing this and that you aren't just coming into it for the activism was- which some of the people she spoke to did, who got disillusioned with TST and then started making false claims against us. One of them, who runs a site all day long, apparently doesn't work, you know, just- just disparages TST all day long on the internet and makes up bullshit claims about us being a pyramid scheme and stuff like that. Actually said, you know, join TST and thought the Satanism part was cheesy, they wanted to get into their, Yes, ya know, their activism or whatever, that I can't express enough, if that's your interest, just don't fucking join, you know, go to your other, go to your other political groups that deal with those issues you want, you know, if, if you don't understand the Satanism, we're a part of here, then then don't join, it's not for you. Or if you're not sure, about our position on free speech and our position on other things, or, you know, the general things that we have acted on consistently, and we feel in line with the tenants''[sic]'', it's fine if you don't agree with it, but maybe don't fucking join either. You know, don't don't come in and act like we should change the entire organization to fit your unprincipled position that you can't reconcile on both sides of a debate and say, like, oh, the rules only apply, you know, this much on this side and this much on the other. You know, that's not how social standards work. Yeah, no, well, operating society, you know, it's just not how it goes. And I think the Satanic Temple, it was trying to build more longevity than these than these political activist flare-ups that we have, that don't have a direction just kind of want to tear things down, and don't really have constructive input on anything at all. And that's what I think really kind of distinguishes us. And you know, we just don't need it we don't need we don't need to build membership like that. Either. We don't need to pull in, you know, low quality people who don't really care what the beliefs are, or, or whether it's going to look good as a as a slogan or quote on their Facebook page or whatever else like<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 29:06<br /> <br /> mean activism. Right. We don't do mean activism. It is the activism. I feel like the activism that TST does is slow and hard and the long game and I can't imagine anything more diametrically different from meme activism than that. Right, right.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 29:26<br /> <br /> Yeah, exactly. We're the nor the facile sloganeering that we have that, you know, has it hasn't really gotten us anywhere, to be quite honest, you know, but, you know, the, she was talking to people in the Newsweek article, who claimed that we were a pyramid scheme, and she had started with that, too. She talked about that with me. And I asked her then, like, explain to me what that means. Because when you have an organization that doesn't charge people for membership, doesn't charge dues, doesn't do tithing, in- does not advocate for proselytizing. You know, we don't tell people you got to bring people in. In fact, at this point, I feel like might need to trim back a little bit, you know, get the people out who are disappointed that this is actually a non-theistic religion when they thought that they were joining up with some kind of clever ploy or something, just go, just go, you know, so I was telling her, you know, none of this adds up to any coherent claim of being a pyramid scheme. So what does that mean? She abandoned that too. But she's still decided to, quote at face value. So many things said, by the person who throws out the bogus claim that we're a pyramid scheme that can't be validated by, you know, any even not even not even a definition of what what, what is meant by TST equals conspiracy theory.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 30:55<br /> <br /> And as far as I know, no one and everyone in TST as volunteers at every level, basically, like, I might be wrong about that. <br /> <br /> ===&quot;Where'd the money go? It went towards the fucking campaigns&quot;===<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 31:06<br /> <br /> And, but we will well, you know, we are content creators. So on TST TV, they, they make money. Absolutely. And we, at our headquarters, we do have we have people hired, you know, and certainly, you know, we have contractors and things like that, and, you know, definitely have our lawyers, things like that. So we can't say that nobody's employed off of this. But also, it's like, this question of, well, what where does the money go? Like, how much did you lose? And how, how do you lose money on this on this operation here, like, if you look at our campaigns, we genuinely tried to estimate what we will need for a campaign to be successful. Right. And sometimes it's very difficult, you know, like, we're going to be suing Texas $200,000 probably not enough, when all is said and done, we can fundraise later, you know what I mean by $200,000? Up front, that's a lot of money, too. So, you know, we went in for 200k. And we're pursuing Texas now we're going to have more lawsuits coming up? No doubt, you know, but if you look through the- you look through our past everything we fundraised for, we've come through on as well. So where'd the money go? It went towards the fucking campaigns that people, you know, you're so what else are they asking about merchandise, if you buy a t-shirt, all you're gonna get from that is your t-shirt. If you don't get it, then you're owed a refund. You know, if a shop does wild profits over the next years, Malcolm and I owe nobody a fucking apology for that, you know, and nobody's owed an apology for not getting paid to be a member? Like, ultimately, what's this come down to you join a congregation, you know, you have that opportunity to build that community. It's not a paid position. It was never, never presented as such. But you know, that said, ministers, they can, they can charge for weddings, funerals, they set their own prices, whatever, you know, that's something that you negotiate with the public. And that's why we also want to make sure we know who our ministers are, and that they really understand where we're coming from, but, you know, ministers, they they can absolutely get paid.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 33:30<br /> <br /> Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, and all the money I make for being a Satanist comes from my patrons on Patreon, go to patreon.com/stevenbradfordlong. That is, that is how this Satanist makes money. So yeah, I mean, the that line that you refer to or that quote that you refer to in the article, where it's like I, this person was saying, I found the Satanism part, basically kind of stupid, I was here for the activism. I don't mean to be I don't mean to to be disparaging. But I know I have encountered a lot of people where the the say they come for the activism. And if that is why someone is here, that is a that that's just inevitably doomed for failure on their part. Because it isn't an activist group. It is a fundamental misalignment of identity, it is a fundamental misalignment of what this organization is.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 34:31<br /> <br /> And- and why would you want to join an organization when you're already not taking what they're telling you at face value? Right? Yes. Like we've consistently said these things. And that that was what was disturbing to me about the Hail Satan? documentary, too, is how many people seem to get their completely own ideas about what the meaning of the documentary was, in the same way that people get those very disparate notions of what we are from the news articles they read and things like that, but I- the film did a good job of showing that, you know, we really have a community that takes this seriously. And then I was reading some reviews and it was like, Oh, these guys have a real clever way of dressing up progressive politics as a religion we were described as, as Mary story.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 35:12<br /> <br /> We were described as Merry Pranksters, and I'm like, sorry, I don't see myself as a prankster there. And there is nothing ironic about my Satanism there's, there's nothing satirical or ironic about my Satanism, it is deadly serious. I actually really don't like irony. Like, I kind of don't get it. And I kind of don't like it. And I'm drawn to people who are on ironically into something and who are on ironically, the thing that they are. And that's what drew me to Satanism. Right?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 35:44<br /> <br /> Well, it's funny how many people think that because they find something funny, or because they find something offensive or shocking or whatever, that that must be the purpose of it, you know? And that's funny to me, because to me, there is nothing funny about our dispute in Arkansas, you know, to put the Baphomet monument up on the public grounds where they put up a 10 commandments monument. And it's funny to me to see people, they see the Baphomet monument they hear Satanists say, you know, we have equal access to this public forum in they say that, that's fucking hilarious. And not only is it hilarious to them, but then they they assume that hilarity was our cause. Before anything else,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 36:30<br /> <br /> Right, yeah, I mean, we could probably rail on and on about the article, but we should probably move on. But yeah, so there's, there's just so much to break down in the article. But we need to spend more time on that since we're, since we're in the weeds here. I do have some questions from my audience from both Twitter and my Discord server. This was one that that someone on Twitter just submitted. So Lucien, you can tell me if you want this cut out or not, and we can just move on,<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:04<br /> <br /> but it sounds like it's gonna be good.<br /> <br /> ===&quot;Is [Doug Misicko] anti-semitic?===<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 37:06<br /> <br /> But someone on Twitter asks, Is he anti-semitic? Like everyone says the response?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:15<br /> <br /> I don't think everybody says that.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 37:17<br /> <br /> No, a very, very small handful of people say that 20 years ago,<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:21<br /> <br /> This podcast writes, I cracked some really distasteful-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 37:26<br /> <br /> I really don't need to cover this all over again, if you don't want to with like-<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:32<br /> Okay. People act like I avoid the question to okay, I don't I never<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 37:37<br /> <br /> know, I just, I just think you're probably sick of talking about it. But go on. We can we can talk about it.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 37:41<br /> <br /> Somebody wanted to know. Yeah, that's good enough. Fair. Okay. But, you know, even though I don't hold the same opinions that I held 20 years ago, I still can't let people say that my opinions were what they were not even 20 years ago. Yeah. So the comments I made were coming from a place of militant atheism. And I made these comments about how I felt it was okay, to make fun of Jews in certain circumstances. And, you know, this was a very inarticulate and idiotic way. And it's humiliating to me that people hear this now, I sound like a complete moron. And I'm saying that, you know, if, if you're talking about people dressed in traditional religious garb, and doing like, these archaic rituals, and that they actually believe that, you know, there's this one true God, and they're God's people, or whatever, that's worthy of mockery. But I said, even then, that I didn't believe that it was okay, by any means to throw people under the bus because of their ancestral lineage. I thought, and that was my way of saying, you know, ideologies are open for mockery, you know, somebody's genetic history, their ancestry, you know, things outside of ideological adherence, things like that, that's off limits. So you don't you don't hold that against somebody, but I still sounded like an idiot, it still sounded really insulting and, and I have no desire to insult religious Jews. Now, you know, I was much harsher on religion before, really, really having the religion of the Satanic Temple and realizing, you know, that I do think there's a space for people to have their beliefs as long as they don't impose them on anybody else. And that we can, you know, we can all just kind of share this space, and we don't have to, we don't have to be bothered by one another in this way. And that's what I was saying 20 years ago. And that said, you know, again, I disagree with a lot that I did believe 20 years ago, but that was what I would say I wouldn't I wouldn't talk that way now. You know, and I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings over that kind of thing. And I certainly wouldn't want to insult anybody, you know, from a Jewish background and, you know, I'm gonna pull the whole Jewish friend thing. But people have no idea how many of my closest personal contacts, including the other co-founder of the Satanic Temple come from Jewish backgrounds. Yeah, [[Malcolm|Cevin Soling]] is Jewish. Yeah, yeah. And, and the fact of the matter is, is, it's not usually my Jewish friends who are taking issue with this, it's usually some white kid somewhere, you know, getting pissed off, because they want to get pissed off is what I is what I think I'm seeing here, they saw an opportunity they saw, they saw a misstep in my language at a point and they don't have much else and they never want to let it go. And, you know, what would be better that I disappear from the public eye that I not do? The things I'm doing now. I mean, I have 10 years now, where I think my writings have elaborated my viewpoints and everything else. I mean, it would be different. I think if a podcast from 20 years ago, surfaced, and there was nothing else to say, for where I had come from, or what I'm doing, or where I stand today, or whatever. But after all this time and all this material, I think you're really fucking reaching. You know,<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 41:18<br /> <br /> Have you seen the movie Doubt? [''Doug:'' I have not.] So- so, I might be making this up. And I talked about this in my interview with Katie Herzog last year, because she talks a lot about online dysfunction and being trashed online. And, you know, she was basically brutally turned on by her entire community. And in that conversation, I and I might, I was like, very high on drugs when I watched the movie. So I might entirely be making this up. And I haven't seen it since. But she, in the movie Doubt, there's this scene where a younger nun confronts the older nun played by, by the devil- Devil Wears Prada lady. And she is the older non the Mother Superior hates, this priest hates him and is trying to destroy him. And this younger nun says, you just don't like him. It hasn't this happen, it's because he's modern, it's because he uses modern pens. It's because he uses modern pencils, it's because he dresses in a modern way. Again, I might be entirely making this up. But this is what I remember. You just don't like him. And as a result you're trying to destroy him is, you know, again, this is me remembering this through the fog of you know, being on massive painkillers at the time. So take all of that with a grain of salt. But I think that there's something there in that I really think that so much of the rage that we see in online spaces, and so much of the so much of the attempts to destroy other people, it really almost very often has nothing to do with the reasons that they state, it just has to do with the fact that that person or rubs them the wrong way, the wrong way. And they don't like that person. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 43:10<br /> <br /> And they're people I've never met in my case, you know, like-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 43:14<br /> <br /> Oh, yeah, same. People I have been ruthlessly trashed on Twitter over the years, like brutally trashed, and people you've never spoken to probably like me.<br /> <br /> ===Doug obliquely references the [[United Federation of Churches LLC v. Johnson et al|UFC vs Johnson case]] and denies TST is a pyramid scheme===<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 43:21<br /> <br /> Oh, yeah, absolutely. And then then I see these claims. Like, I didn't hear- I didn't know about these people in Seattle until they had stolen our Facebook page and Twitter account or whatever, and started posting harassing doxxing things about us. And then, you know, we get all these claims, like, well, TST is a pyramid scheme and everything. Like without definition. TST is a cult, and it's like, well, how did how does that work? You know, like, in what way? Is it a cult and things like that? But it's like, ultimately, it's like, my big question is so what happened to you specifically? It's really bizarre to me that we see all these claims about the nature of TST without any of these people saying what actually happened to them?<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 44:09<br /> <br /> Yeah. Yeah. You know, the, the whole thing I've heard a lot of people throw around the word cult, and I'm like, I'm sorry. As someone who was raised in a pretty repressive evangelical setting. TST is like the anti-cult. I feel very free to be myself, to think my thoughts, to disagree with leadership when I need to, to air my opinions. I have never felt ever felt this an imposition on to how I think or how I live.<br /> <br /> ===On shunning former members: Doug claims, &quot;We never do that. We've never held it against somebody&quot;===<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 44:47<br /> <br /> You brought me back to it. I gotta go back to the Newsweek article. That's okay. But it was it was Salomé, who in the WHO inner quote claimed that it- And I mentioned it because this is the only time somebody tried to put a definition on what they meant by calling TST a cult. And according to Salomé, she got kicked out because of asking me about Twitter, which just isn't true, and I feel is provably untrue. Just given the fact that the, you know, you can look up other articles about the Twitter suit that will tell you it was actually about, you know, this tweet, talking about burning down our headquarters and things like that. But her claim was that then everybody was told not to associate with her not to talk with her and things like that. And that infuriates me because we never do that. We've never held it against somebody. But even in Salomé's case, her boyfriend was working with TST, nobody suggested he should resign. Yeah, nobody held it against him, she was kicked out for other reasons. And then, which had nothing to do with talking to me about Twitter, or anything like that. She was kicked out of TST he, you know, nobody, nobody said anything against him. You know, it was like, I don't know, you know, personally, I'm thinking, I don't know how you're gonna work this out at home or whatever, but but fine, you know, and he worked with us. And then he, he stopped for a while, but not because he had any animosity towards TST. They're not seeing each other anymore. And he's back with TST. But, you know, the whole, the whole thing just kind of underscores just how little, we've actually done to keep people from associating with anybody, even people who've provably been trying to do us harm.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 46:37<br /> <br /> Yep, exactly. You know, I've I have a few very close evangelical friends in the area, I call myself an ecumenical sloth. Like I hang out with all of like, every- I want more friends in life, I don't want fewer and so I- I have really close friends from a vast swath of religious backgrounds. And I really value those friendships. And so some of my very close evangelical friends I think, are- are kind of worried that I'm in a cult and one of my friends, one of my best friends actually voiced this he was like &quot;Steven I'm, there's something cult-like, going on here.&quot; And I was like, &quot;Okay, let's- let's talk about this some, let's- let's explore this.&quot; And he, he was like, &quot;Well, you know, it feels kind of like a cult of personality, like, you know, with Lucien up there at the top and Malcolm&quot; and I was just like, okay, okay, look, I don't think about Lucien Lucien. I'm basically only thinking about Lucien when he when he is in front of me talking to me on the show, what I am thinking about on a day to day basis is the community. That's what I'm thinking, because it isn't about Lucien or Malcolm, the community that they have built. isn't about either of these guys, it is about the people, and I don't suppose<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 47:50<br /> <br /> I wish I could be- I wish I could be more anonymous and less in the public. I honestly, invite by design, I feel like I'm as little as I can be. But if I honestly, if I did not need subscribers, I know. I know the theory. I know, I know, the theory is that I'm living large off of money made from TST, but that's not true.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 48:16<br /> <br /> You're living off of Patreon. Yeah, you're living off of Patreon. I get it.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 48:20<br /> <br /> No, it's not. It's not that great. You know, it only reasonably if I didn't, if I wasn't relying on that. You know, I'd probably delete all my social media and disappear.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 48:33<br /> <br /> I get it. No, I mean, yeah, no, my Patreon is the reason why I was able to repair my car last month. Like if if it weren't for my patrons, I wouldn't have been able to do that. It's so no like. And also there's this thing with the cult. The idea of being a cult. I was thinking about this after my conversation with my evangelical friend, I think what it came down to is you seem to be doing a lot of work with TST, and it's taking up a lot of your time. And because it is a new religious movement that is filtered because it's with a spooky religion that a lot of people don't understand that somehow gets filtered through cult and I was just like, Okay, I have put in equal, if not more amounts of work for mainline accepted religious traditions. I have worked for an Episcopalian Church. I was a missionary with Youth With A Mission. I have worked with various ministries before I left Christianity and became a Satanist at no point because of that level of work. And I mean, it is grinding work. I mean, it is- it can be soul-crushing work, at times too soul-crushing, but because it was evangelical and acceptable, the response was, &quot;Oh, look at the good work you're doing&quot;. Whereas now I put in a lot of work into something that I'm really passionate about and something that I really care about and a community that that I find very meaningful, and suddenly it's a cult. And I really think that it has a lot to do with the fact that it's a new religious movement that spooks people.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko, on cults==<br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 50:10<br /> <br /> Well, for some people, the word cult is just a synonym for new religious movement. And in for that reason, some of the academics won't even use the word cult because they feel like it's just a pejorative against new religions. I'm different. I feel like the word cult is useful. It has meaning, but there's not a clear definition as to what distinguishes, there's usually kind of checklists, you know, about what kind of things are called, tends to do what makes something a cult, but I think, you know, part of the measure of a cult is whether it's people have a cultic relationship with it in- sometimes people will have a cultic relationship with sports teams, or whatever else. And on my end, the people come to TST, and they have kind of a cult-like mentality, they make me nervous. And they're usually the people who defect, the loudest and hardest too they get pissed off. Because true, they're not being told how to live in a, they're getting mad, because I'm not dictating the minutiae of their political opinions to them and things like that. So then they get the idea that I disagree with the greater cause whatever it might be, you know, and that not that I'm just placing less limits on, you know, where my authority is on, on dictating what are, you know, what the thought processes are within the satanic community and stuff like that. And, you know, I think that in order for something to be called a cult, you do have to have something that's very hierarchical, very authoritarian, engages in an authoritarian conditioning, and does do things like excommunicate people for, for asking questions or isolating people from, from other people who might not believe the tenets of Satanism and that type of thing. Oh, very much antithetical to the social culture that we've developed within the Satanic Temple in reality. But what's funny about that is, you know, we've never done we've, from the very beginning, we've been had this anti-cult mentality. And that's also kind of by design, because I've studied cults, you know, I've studied new religious movements, and have done so since before the inception of tst. So I know these kinds of things to look out for and I know the things we don't want to become and that kind of thing. Things to warn against what's disheartening and somewhat fascinating, is to see that, despite all of that, you get the accusation anyway.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 52:38<br /> <br /> Yes, yeah. And it really does, I think, have to do in part with the fact that we are a minority religion, we're one of the spooky religions. The, the Catholic Church is almost never you know, unless you're Richard Dawkins, or Sam Harris, never accused of being a cult and yet they have some- you know, I was Catholic for a time and they have some pretty horrific policies even as they have tried to reform some the a lot of the policies and the Holy Orders, for example, my partner is a Jesuit and the the strictures that they put on you are stunning. People don't call the Jesuits a cult. People don't call holy orders a cult but- and that's because it's a mainline accepted religion. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 53:27<br /> <br /> Right. And I think, you know, we're, we've always just been vulnerable to accusation being a new religious movement and being Satanists. And I think that, you know, just the most disappointing part is to see you know, who's exploited that the most and it's generally been I think, narcissistic people came to TST hoping to up their public profile and you know, if they couldn't do it with us, they do it against us.<br /> <br /> ==Doug is asked about Augustus Sol Invictus==<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 53:55<br /> <br /> So since we're airing, dirty laundry and and so on, there's another accusation that comes up a lot. Do you have time by the way, what how are you on time?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 54:05<br /> <br /> I have- I have time for accusations.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 54:07<br /> <br /> Okay. Well, okay, so just another thing that I see going around that I think would that would be helpful for some clarity on and I'm pretty sure I you know, I'm not worried about it. But I think a lot of people that I've seen and by a lot I mean, a few people on Twitter, you are you have sometimes been accused of having a relationship. People cannot see my air quotes, but they're here, your &quot;relationship&quot; with Augustus Sol Invictus. Do you know about that?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 54:41<br /> <br /> And- and yeah, I know about that, but I don't know him. Yeah, exactly. You can to him. I've never read his bullshit material. Like, I don't care. Like I guess-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 54:50<br /> <br /> First let's back up. Let's back up and tell people who Augustus Sol Invictus is.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 54:54<br /> <br /> I don't really he's some guy in Florida and he's a- he's one of those.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 54:58<br /> <br /> He's an alt-right guy, isn't he? What's that? He's an alt-right guy, isn't he?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 55:02<br /> <br /> I guess I guess something. Yeah. Well, he's one of those who has one of those kind of old school LaVeyan perspectives on on the Left Hand Path from what I understand the authoritarian type thing or whatever. And what happened was, I was invited to speak at a Left Hand Path conference, and he was invited to and I knew he was invited in. I don't like the ideas being put forward by that camp. You know what I mean? And to be honest, I really was looking forward to the idea of being able to debate this guy, make him look like a fucking fool. And then they disinvited him because people were complaining that he was a fascist. And so I withdrew from the conference myself, because I felt that was kind of the point. You know what I mean? Like, there's, I feel like there's baggage in the self-identified Left Hand Path community, and that it doesn't go away by ignoring that it was there, you know, what I mean? It's like, I think the more people who realize what LaVeyanism was trying to tell us or which directions that went with some of these people, the better honestly, you know, like, I think they can understand better where we're coming from and contrast to that, and they'll understand better, why maybe that's not the way to go, you know, it makes me sick to see like the CoS Twitter feed, trying to essentially imitate us, you know, while saying that we're imitating them by clearly taking on like this progressive politics demeanor and their public messaging, while in the background, you can see they're, they're being run by, you know, very much alt-right characters. And so, I did not like the idea of people bitching and moaning and getting somebody thrown out of a conference that way, and I never have in- this is something that- this is what makes people call call me alt-right, you know, because they want to shut down speech preemptively. And that kind of thing, I withdrew, I wrote a thing. And I said, this is why I withdrew. And now all of a sudden, it turns into best buddies with this guy. And every so often, you know, people will demand that I denounce certain characters like Milo Yiannopoulos, or, you know, other alt-right guys, and the fact of the matter is, I have not read their material, I'm not interested in their material, I'm not interested in their thoughts. I'm not interested in these pop culture alt-right guys, and I'm not going to read their fucking material, go through their comments and statements, just to appease some assholes on Twitter, who demand that I denounce these guys whose material I don't give a shit about and who-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 57:48<br /> <br /> Are if they spent any time reading your work, it would be obvious that you are not aligned with them in any way. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 57:55<br /> <br /> Yeah. And- and also, I'm not going to denounce people if I'm not going to read their material either. Fair, because the things I've said, I've heard- I've seen people say about what people said, as opposed to what those people actually said, sometimes is really far off the fucking mark.<br /> <br /> ==Discussion of Milo Yiannopoulos==<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 58:12<br /> <br /> True. And you know, you mentioned Milo Yiannopoulos. There, there was this thing where, and this is another thing that held against you on Twitter, is that you spoke out against somewhere I forget where this was, maybe some article or whatever, some interview, I don't, I don't know, where you spoke out against the violent reactions against Milo at Berkeley. And this was, and you know, this is like ancient internet history now. But back when Milo Yiannopoulos was unfortunately irrelevant. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 58:49<br /> <br /> He basically he went on this tour, if you asked me, they made him relevant. Part of my that was part of my complaint there. I honestly hadn't heard of the guy until people were burning shit down at Berkeley, because I don't fucking read Breitbart. I don't read the presumed witticisms of some, you know, confused gay<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 59:10<br /> <br /> cars, etc. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 59:14<br /> <br /> Well, I mean, confused, I think on his political orientation comes to the rest of that maybe not as sexual orientation.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 59:19<br /> <br /> However, now he's come out as ex-gay. And that's, that's the movement that I come out of. I was in the ex gay world. And so now he's like, I'm going through reparative therapy and all of this stuff. So he's also confused on his sexual orientation as well, not just his political orientation.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 59:35<br /> <br /> Right, right. But, you know, if people had read my comments, it would have been, you know, the point's that, you know, you're making this guy, a household name. Yes. And you're really diverting attention away from what he's actually saying, by bringing attention to him speaking at this school, because now you know, you've given this guy the opportunity to just position himself as a free speech. Warrior, you know, devoid of whatever topical content he was actually going to cover whatever else. And you know, it really worked for him. You can see, you know, there was a lot of commentary even mainstream articles were talking about how he had become, you know, a household name overnight because, you know, protesters at Berkeley insisted on making it so now, you'll see them today saying C D platforming works because ironically, they're referring to Yiannopoulos his own words where he posted something talking about us since I've been canceled. I've lost so much money. I don't have speaking engagements and stuff like that bullshit. Bullshit. What really sunk him was that he opened his mouth too fucking much.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:00:41<br /> Yeah, it was the right that canceled him. It wasn't the Left.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:00:45<br /> <br /> Right. He started talking. He started talking sympathetically about pedophilia. Karana show. Yeah. And that was when he got canceled. It was like, you know, those attempts to cancel him at Berkeley only made him big. And then he said shit that offended the Conservatives too. And everybody kind of forgot about him. And now everybody tells their own convenient narrative about how like, oh, look, you gotta burn shit down. And then you know, then you've deplatformed a guy.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:01:12<br /> <br /> I think that Milo Yiannopoulos is a failure of the Left. And I think that because he wasn't the the Left. And by the Left, I don't mean just, you know, like the communists and social democrats and democratic socialist and so on. I mean, you know, left of center, we the Left, it was the Right that defeated Milo. It wasn't the Left, the Left had such horribly bad tactics in their response to him, it is almost as if they had never encountered a troll before in their life. It was as if they had never learned how to deal with a shitty troll. <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:01:50<br /> <br /> Right? And in my mind, they elevated him, yes, on this pedestal for the conservatives. And then they got mad at people like me for saying, I don't think you should handle it this way. And I'm also a Nazi. That just kills me the most about progressive politics, when it's when it gets to that point where it's like, you can't discuss best tactics without people saying like, you know, that you- that you must be against the cause. Like there was a- there was a statistician who got fired from his job for tweeting on-<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:02:24<br /> <br /> Shore, David Shore. Yeah, yes, I know, it was right.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:02:29<br /> <br /> Protests broke out after George Floyd was murdered. And he said, you know, and sure, it might not have been the right time. But you know, he's an analytical mind. [Right.] You got to make some concessions for people's difference, differences in processing emotional material too. Yes, but he he thought it was important to point out that, you know, violence in the streets, riots, protests in an election year, traditionally favor a Republican candidate. [Correct.] And it's true. There's support that it's- there's in, you know, people were saying, now is not the time, now is not the time to talk about it? Of course it is. And he went on to fucking talk about it, when it's most relevant when it's happening when you can stop something from being a problem. When it's time to talk tactic, you know, you're you're hitting, that just kills me when people kill the messenger like that he could have even been wrong, you know, what I mean? You could you could look at the data and maybe say, like, ah, actually, it turns out, that's not true. There was a, you know, there was a, there was an error and data collection at the time, whatever, you know, what I mean? So what it doesn't mean, he said it in malice, you know, I fully believe that he believed, because I also believe that that's a true fact that the kind of violence in the streets everything traditionally favors Republicans who people wrongly, I think view is the law and order party, you know, that the consistent stable, you know, the the underlying mentality of conservatism, you know, people will start leaning towards that, and there was certainly nothing wrong with him pointing that out. And there's no reason to believe that he had right wing sympathies because of it. But anyways, that was my long belabored way of saying that that's what I really, just really what I find most disheartening about progressive activism right now is that insistence that of latching on to one tactic, and then deciding that anything that that might question that tactic is heresy.<br /> <br /> ==SBL: &quot;many parts of the Left are shutting down avenues for self-criticism and self-correction&quot;==<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:04:27<br /> <br /> You're hitting on something that I've been thinking a lot about lately, and I've been trying to find a way to write about this on my blog. And so I'm just going to say it and maybe this will turn into a blog post but something that's really worrying me about our current progressive place is I- I feel like, and this might not be accurate, but I feel like a lot of- part of- many parts of the Left are shutting down avenues for self-criticism and self-correction and when, because of how those criticisms might rhyme with something that the Right says, Right. And the reason this really worries me is that a movement that cannot self-correct, that cannot introspect that cannot correct course, from within is just doomed to failure. And the Left already has too long of a history of infighting. And I mean, all the way, you know, going back decades, I mean, this isn't like the modern meme of the Left eats its own on Twitter, it's this, this, it's a trend that goes back a long ways of, of just not being able to find unity, not being able to find, you know, a common cause, a common ground within leftist movements. And, of course, there are some important exceptions, like the civil rights movement, and so on, gay rights, etc. But I'm really worried that we are- that we progressives are shutting down avenues for self criticism, because of how it rhymes with something that the right says. And so often, I will be in conversation with someone and I say something, and suddenly, it's as if there is the ghost of Milo Yiannopoulos standing right behind me. And they're no longer talking to me, they're talking to that apparition over my shoulder, they're talking about they're taught, suddenly talking to that troll, who's, and I'm like, &quot;No, no, no, no, listen to what I'm saying about free speech. You're not talking to a right-wing troll on Twitter, you're talking to me, and I'm not on the Left, or I'm not on the Right, you know who I am?&quot; You know, I'm not on the Right. Why are you interacting with me as if I am suddenly this troll for bringing up concerns about free speech bringing up concerns about that, that might derail the goals of the left?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on free speech==<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:06:56<br /> <br /> And it is true that you see the right-wing camp always bring up the concept of free speech now as though they've always been the champions of free speech. It's not true. You know, exactly. Ronald Reagan was very much against the free speech movement at Berkeley in his time, and Governor there, he did much to try to shut it down. While Martin Luther King was the champion of free speech at the time, and the hippies and the hippies, were all championing their causes under the banner of free speech and things like that, you know, and it goes back and forth. And you have to, you have to, you have to set principles that can work regardless of the times, right. And if you look at the Satanism of the Satanic Temple, entrenched in our very tenants''[sic]'' is this notion of a self-correcting system, yes, reliant upon debate, free speech, and free inquiry, and you must have all of those things together, you can't take one of them apart, and then have the rest of them, they all- they're all dependent on one another. So if you're still grappling with the idea, that free speech sometimes defends speech that you find offensive, or callous, or whatever else in- you're not able to reconcile that with a principal position that would still allow the Satanic Temple to speak. You know, when Catholics complain, or whatever else, all these questions I bring up in the free speech articles that nobody meant- nobody bothers to address before they start criticizing my position and in pretending that it's merely an avenue by which I'm defending the most odious speech possible. You know, it's just intellectual dishonesty. But to me, that's the essence of who we are. And that really separates us, I think, from the pop culture, politics, this social media activism that we see now, that's going to be a very short-term thing. And I think, you know, our integrity depends on having real principled positions that we will be able to apply consistently, regardless of whichever way the pendulum swings.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:09:11<br /> <br /> Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think one of the reasons why the the rights of minorities have been so successful in this country. And of course, that is not saying that there aren't still problems, there are absolutely still problems, the rights for- but the rights for gay people, trans people, etc, have been an absolute triumph in America. And there's still more work to be done. But I think one of the reasons why it was a triumph as well as the Civil Rights Movement is because of the Free Speech protections and without those free speech protections, minorities, who people do want to shut up, who people would rather, you know, say &quot;No, they're disgusting. Don't ever listen to them&quot; because of free speech protections that are universal. Right, those rights were able to advance and that isn't the only component. But I feel like it's a very important component.<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:10:06<br /> <br /> It is a very important component. And, you know, I, you know, I think this is part of the problem where goes back to the problem of people viewing us as merely political and not really religious. So I feel like they take our claims for equal access to be more of an act of trolling or pranksterism than something that comes from a genuine place. And I don't think they understand that there are some of us who genuinely feel it when some city council says we can't deliver an invocation when they're allowing prayers from other religious groups to stand up there. I don't think they they understand it, when we're treated differently in the courts, that we're not laughing on the way home, we're horrified. We're horrified feeling that, you know, it's been codified that it's allowed to marginalize us in that way. I think there are a lot of people who feel like we've taken on a superfluous identity that we could walk away from, and they're not considering the fact that no, we really feel this is an essential part of our identity, and we're being shit upon. And so they hear our arguments for free speech, and their first thoughts aren't thinking, oh, yeah, that makes sense. They're Satanists. Everybody's always trying to shut them up. Every time they do anything. There's other religious groups claiming that all they're doing is trying to offend them. They don't really know the reality of it. And I think part of their part of their proclivity to see our arguments, in the least charitable light also come from that failure to understand who we are.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:11:44<br /> <br /> Yeah, absolutely. Well, we should probably wrap this up. But do you have any final thoughts before we we wrap this up? <br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:11:52<br /> <br /> I wasn't thinking anything the whole time.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:11:57<br /> I don't think you were just in a void. I understand. Cool. Well, well, one last question. Do you have another? I think we might have talked about this last time. But just real quick, do you have? Is there another Satanic Planet album looming on the horizon? And if so, do you know when it's coming?<br /> <br /> ''Doug Misicko:'' 1:12:16<br /> <br /> I don't know when it's coming. But we're working on it now. And we've got a couple tracks that I really like. And now we're working with Dave Lombardo through the creative process, which is a whole new thing too. So it's kind of like a new, there's a new element to the band. Previously, we had recorded everything in the studio. And then we gave it all to Lombardo and he added stuff to it. This time, he's more part of the creative process with writing the music and everything. And I'm being less cautious with my vocals, this time around, trying to expand on that and try out different things. And so far, everything's working out really well. And I'm really excited about the next Satanic Planet album. And as it appears, it seems like Satanic Planet will play its first show in February as part of SatanCon. And we'll play some of our new material then and hopefully, we'll also stream the show on TST TV or something like that. But really looking forward to that. And you know, when I have a lot of tedious shitty work and a lot of administrative stuff, and a lot of trying to mediate disputes and things like that, I'm just so grateful that I also have a creative project to work with. That comes together as well as Satanic Planet.<br /> <br /> ''Stephen Bradford Long:'' 1:13:36<br /> <br /> Awesome. All right. Well, I think that's it for this show. The music is by Eleventy Seven, the theme song is Wild by Eleventy Seven. You can find it on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you listen to music. This show is written, produced and edited by me Steven Bradford Long and as a production of Rock Candy Recordings. As always, Hail Satan, and thanks for listening.</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17135 2024-05-28T21:51:55Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Global Order of Satan schism */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As later detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in early 2018 following an &quot;unsanctioned&quot; performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. Blackmore, however, contended that this was a personal art statement and that the request for her resignation reflected sexist/non-inclusive attitudes within TST leadership.&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@JexBlackmore/the-struggle-for-justice-is-ongoing-6df38f8893db Jex Blackmore on Medium - &quot;The Struggle for Justice is Ongoing&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> As a result the Detroit chapter also left TST.<br /> <br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from<br /> * Sweden<br /> * France<br /> * Italy<br /> * Germany<br /> * Austria<br /> * West Balkans<br /> * Hungary<br /> * Belgium<br /> * Switzerland<br /> * Denmark<br /> * Australia (&quot;following Eurovision rules&quot;)<br /> &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.facebook.com/share/p/Sjv1YUuRyntqwdAN/ Global Order of Satan independence announcement] &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first naming themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article]&lt;/ref&gt; chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves, becoming &quot;Minnesota Satanists&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves, becoming &quot;Sunshine Serpent Society&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves, becoming &quot;Satanic Colorado&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves, becoming &quot;Alabama Society for Pluralism and Freethought&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> * The Satanic Temple France withdraw from the TST Candidate Groups programme, becoming France Satanique et Francophones<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17134 2024-05-28T21:46:48Z

<p>Osmiris: /* 2024 */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As later detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in early 2018 following an &quot;unsanctioned&quot; performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. Blackmore, however, contended that this was a personal art statement and that the request for her resignation reflected sexist/non-inclusive attitudes within TST leadership.&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@JexBlackmore/the-struggle-for-justice-is-ongoing-6df38f8893db Jex Blackmore on Medium - &quot;The Struggle for Justice is Ongoing&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> As a result the Detroit chapter also left TST.<br /> <br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article]&lt;/ref&gt; chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves, becoming &quot;Minnesota Satanists&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves, becoming &quot;Sunshine Serpent Society&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves, becoming &quot;Satanic Colorado&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves, becoming &quot;Alabama Society for Pluralism and Freethought&quot;<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> * The Satanic Temple France withdraw from the TST Candidate Groups programme, becoming France Satanique et Francophones<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17133 2024-05-28T21:36:15Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As later detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in early 2018 following an &quot;unsanctioned&quot; performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. Blackmore, however, contended that this was a personal art statement and that the request for her resignation reflected sexist/non-inclusive attitudes within TST leadership.&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@JexBlackmore/the-struggle-for-justice-is-ongoing-6df38f8893db Jex Blackmore on Medium - &quot;The Struggle for Justice is Ongoing&quot;]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> As a result the Detroit chapter also left TST.<br /> <br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article]&lt;/ref&gt; chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17132 2024-05-28T21:28:01Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Randazza schism */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article]&lt;/ref&gt; chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2019=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in 2019 following an unsanctioned performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. As a result the Detroit chapter left TST.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17131 2024-05-28T21:27:35Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Randazza schism */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt; and Portland&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/18/satanic-portland-leaves-national-satanic-temple-over-a-lawyer-with-ties-to-the-alt-right/ Willamette Week article] chapters left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned among other high-profile departures.<br /> <br /> =2019=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in 2019 following an unsanctioned performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. As a result the Detroit chapter left TST.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17129 2024-05-27T10:51:35Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Randazza schism */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles chapter left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> =2019=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in 2019 following an unsanctioned performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. As a result the Detroit chapter left TST.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17128 2024-05-27T10:50:56Z

<p>Osmiris: /* 2018 */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project]&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles chapter left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned.&lt;ref&gt;[<br /> https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> =2019=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in 2019 following an unsanctioned performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. As a result the Detroit chapter left TST.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17127 2024-05-27T10:49:22Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Randazza schism==<br /> After hiring right-wing lawyer Marc Randazza to represent TST, the Los Angeles chapter left TST in protest, and the New York chapter head resigned.&lt;ref&gt;[<br /> https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves Vox article]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> =2019=<br /> ==Jex Blackmore schism==<br /> As detailed in ''Hail Satan?'', Jex Blackmore was dismissed from the organisation in 2019 following an unsanctioned performance art piece containing what were deemed to be inflammatory statements.&lt;ref&gt;[https://wordandway.org/2019/05/29/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/ Word &amp; Way article]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520 Jezebel interview]&lt;/ref&gt;. As a result the Detroit chapter left TST.<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Greg_Stevens&diff=17126 2024-05-26T23:39:40Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Biographical details */</p> <hr /> <div>==Biographical details==<br /> Greg Stevens, aka &quot;Priest Penemue&quot;, is a former Minister of TST who was previously Head of Ministry, responsible for TST's ordination process.<br /> <br /> He has been criticised for alt-right ties, referring to &quot;ex-gay&quot; Milo Yiannopoulos as &quot;my good friend and colleague&quot; and being pictured with him playing mini-golf in 2016, and editing a book for Mike Cernovich in 2015.&lt;ref&gt;[<br /> https://medium.com/@queersatanic/today-is-a-good-day-for-the-satanic-temple-to-release-its-finances-40a2f648b24b QS article]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> <br /> He was dismissed from TST in 2024, during the Memegate [[Schisms|schism]].<br /> <br /> ==Greg Stevens in his own words==<br /> # My name is Gregory Stevens. I am over the age of 18, of sound mind, and am capable of making this unsworn declaration.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59182019/40/1/the-satanic-temple-inc-v-hellerstedt/ CourtListener.com], Appendix Appendix to Plaintiffs' Rule 65 Motion — Document #40, Attachment #1&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> # I am submitting this declaration under my real name despite the risk of the catastrophic side-effects I may encounter from the controversy surrounding this case.<br /> # I am a member of The Satanic Temple (“TST”) and hold its tenets as sincere religious beliefs.<br /> # I joined TST in 2015. I was on the National Council, the body responsible for governing TST's chapters, from 2016 to 2018. I developed the technical framework for our community video streaming website (&quot;TST TV&quot;) that launched in 2019, and I continue to provide technical and administrative support for the platform.<br /> # I currently serve as the Director of Ministry. I supervise the Ordination Council which is a team of five ministers who review and approve candidates for ordination, and plan and organize activities and develop resources for our community of ministers. I developed our ordination program, which launched in 2021 and forms the core religious training for our congregation leadership and other members who wish to become ordained clergy in TST.<br /> # To become an ordained member of TST clergy requires one to complete a ten-hour curriculum on the history and philosophy of Satanism and The Satanic Temple, pass a final exam with a score of 80% or better, write a self-development essay, pass a background check, and receive a written letter of commendation for community activities and involvement from a member of TST leadership. Every year following their ordination, Ministers of Satan must complete a one hour lesson and receive an updated letter of commendation to keep their ordination active.<br /> # Half of my role is project management. I brought together a team of ministers in the U.S., Europe, and Australia to manage our weekly online religious services and personally wrote out tracking and best practice documents. I personally created and maintain the &quot;ticketing&quot; system that the Ordination Council uses to keep track of ordination candidates as they progress through the program. I implemented an online library catalog system our ministers use to catalog books available at our congregations, as well as original scripts they have written for Satanic rituals. I hold weekly one-on-one meetings with each member of the Ordination Council to make sure they are making progress with their own projects to help our ministerial community.<br /> # Half of my role is being a minister for our ministers. I make myself available to hear frustrations and concerns from ministers, offering them advice and encouragement. I personally talk to new ministers who are nervous or unsure of themselves, answering questions about how to get tasks done and introducing them to others in our community. I meet with members and groups who have big ideas for projects and use my experience in the organization to offer suggestions for how to best achieve their goals.<br /> # The Satanic Temple fills a niche that I think is important and absolutely needed: a religion that provides a sense of community, shared values, and shared purpose among people who otherwise find themselves to be outsiders in society. This is a religion that empowers individuals, but that is also rooted in empathy and community and compassion. These are people worth supporting, and this is a community worth nurturing.<br /> # When I see the pride in a new minister's eyes when they complete the ordination program, hear cheers from members of a new congregation that has become part of our church, or read a &quot;thank you&quot; email from a member who says that our religious services are the first time they felt connected, safe, and understood in a religious community, I think: I helped to make that possible. This is the most meaningful work that I can imagine doing.<br /> <br /> ==References==</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Greg_Stevens&diff=17125 2024-05-26T23:26:43Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Greg Stevens in his own words */</p> <hr /> <div>==Biographical details==<br /> Greg Stevens, aka &quot;Priest Penemue&quot;, is a former Minister of TST who was previously Head of Ministry, responsible for TST's ordination process.<br /> <br /> He was dismissed from TST in 2024, during the Memegate [[Schisms|schism]].<br /> <br /> ==Greg Stevens in his own words==<br /> # My name is Gregory Stevens. I am over the age of 18, of sound mind, and am capable of making this unsworn declaration.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59182019/40/1/the-satanic-temple-inc-v-hellerstedt/ CourtListener.com], Appendix Appendix to Plaintiffs' Rule 65 Motion — Document #40, Attachment #1&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> # I am submitting this declaration under my real name despite the risk of the catastrophic side-effects I may encounter from the controversy surrounding this case.<br /> # I am a member of The Satanic Temple (“TST”) and hold its tenets as sincere religious beliefs.<br /> # I joined TST in 2015. I was on the National Council, the body responsible for governing TST's chapters, from 2016 to 2018. I developed the technical framework for our community video streaming website (&quot;TST TV&quot;) that launched in 2019, and I continue to provide technical and administrative support for the platform.<br /> # I currently serve as the Director of Ministry. I supervise the Ordination Council which is a team of five ministers who review and approve candidates for ordination, and plan and organize activities and develop resources for our community of ministers. I developed our ordination program, which launched in 2021 and forms the core religious training for our congregation leadership and other members who wish to become ordained clergy in TST.<br /> # To become an ordained member of TST clergy requires one to complete a ten-hour curriculum on the history and philosophy of Satanism and The Satanic Temple, pass a final exam with a score of 80% or better, write a self-development essay, pass a background check, and receive a written letter of commendation for community activities and involvement from a member of TST leadership. Every year following their ordination, Ministers of Satan must complete a one hour lesson and receive an updated letter of commendation to keep their ordination active.<br /> # Half of my role is project management. I brought together a team of ministers in the U.S., Europe, and Australia to manage our weekly online religious services and personally wrote out tracking and best practice documents. I personally created and maintain the &quot;ticketing&quot; system that the Ordination Council uses to keep track of ordination candidates as they progress through the program. I implemented an online library catalog system our ministers use to catalog books available at our congregations, as well as original scripts they have written for Satanic rituals. I hold weekly one-on-one meetings with each member of the Ordination Council to make sure they are making progress with their own projects to help our ministerial community.<br /> # Half of my role is being a minister for our ministers. I make myself available to hear frustrations and concerns from ministers, offering them advice and encouragement. I personally talk to new ministers who are nervous or unsure of themselves, answering questions about how to get tasks done and introducing them to others in our community. I meet with members and groups who have big ideas for projects and use my experience in the organization to offer suggestions for how to best achieve their goals.<br /> # The Satanic Temple fills a niche that I think is important and absolutely needed: a religion that provides a sense of community, shared values, and shared purpose among people who otherwise find themselves to be outsiders in society. This is a religion that empowers individuals, but that is also rooted in empathy and community and compassion. These are people worth supporting, and this is a community worth nurturing.<br /> # When I see the pride in a new minister's eyes when they complete the ordination program, hear cheers from members of a new congregation that has become part of our church, or read a &quot;thank you&quot; email from a member who says that our religious services are the first time they felt connected, safe, and understood in a religious community, I think: I helped to make that possible. This is the most meaningful work that I can imagine doing.<br /> <br /> ==References==</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Greg_Stevens&diff=17124 2024-05-26T23:25:06Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>==Biographical details==<br /> Greg Stevens, aka &quot;Priest Penemue&quot;, is a former Minister of TST who was previously Head of Ministry, responsible for TST's ordination process.<br /> <br /> He was dismissed from TST in 2024, during the Memegate [[Schisms|schism]].<br /> <br /> ==Greg Stevens in his own words==<br /> # My name is Gregory Stevens. I am over the age of 18, of sound mind, and am capable of making this unsworn declaration.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59182019/40/1/the-satanic-temple-inc-v-hellerstedt/ CourtListener.com], Appendix Appendix to Plaintiffs' Rule 65 Motion — Document #40, Attachment #1&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> # I am submitting this declaration under my real name despite the risk of the catastrophic side-effects I may encounter from the controversy surrounding this case.<br /> #I am a member of The Satanic Temple (“TST”) and hold its tenets as sincere religious beliefs.<br /> # I joined TST in 2015. I was on the National Council, the body responsible for governing TST's chapters, from 2016 to 2018. I developed the technical framework for our community video streaming website (&quot;TST TV&quot;) that launched in 2019, and I continue to provide technical and administrative support for the platform.<br /> # I currently serve as the Director of Ministry. I supervise the Ordination Council which is a team of five ministers who review and approve candidates for ordination, and plan and organize activities and develop resources for our community of ministers. I developed our ordination program, which launched in 2021 and forms the core religious training for our congregation leadership and other members who wish to become ordained clergy in TST.<br /> # To become an ordained member of TST clergy requires one to complete a ten-hour curriculum on the history and philosophy of Satanism and The Satanic Temple, pass a final exam with a score of 80% or better, write a self-development essay, pass a background check, and receive a written letter of commendation for community activities and involvement from a member of TST leadership. Every year following their ordination, Ministers of Satan must complete a one hour lesson and receive an updated letter of commendation to keep their ordination active.<br /> # Half of my role is project management. I brought together a team of ministers in the U.S., Europe, and Australia to manage our weekly online religious services and personally wrote out tracking and best practice documents. I personally created and maintain the &quot;ticketing&quot; system that the Ordination Council uses to keep track of ordination candidates as they progress through the program. I im- plemented an online library catalog system our ministers use to catalog books available at our congregations, as well as original scripts they have written for Satanic rituals. I hold weekly one-on-one meetings with each member of the Ordination Council to make sure they are making progress with their own projects to help our ministerial community.<br /> # Half of my role is being a minister for our ministers. I make myself available to hear frustrations and concerns from ministers, offering them advice and encouragement. I personally talk to new ministers who are nervous or unsure of themselves, answering ques- tions about how to get tasks done and introducing them to others in our community. I meet with members and groups who have big ideas for projects and use my experience in the organization to offer suggestions for how to best achieve their goals.<br /> # The Satanic Temple fills a niche that I think is important and absolutely needed: a religion that provides a sense of community, shared values, and shared purpose among people who otherwise find themselves to be outsiders in society. This is a religion that empowers individuals, but that is also rooted in empathy and community and compassion. These are people worth supporting, and this is a community worth nurturing.<br /> # When I see the pride in a new minister's eyes when they complete the ordination program, hear cheers from members of a new congregation that has become part of our church, or read a &quot;thank you&quot; email from a member who says that our religious services are the first time they felt connected, safe, and understood in a religious community, I think: I helped to make that possible. This is the most meaningful work that I can imagine doing.<br /> <br /> ==References==</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=The_Satanic_Wiki&diff=17123 2024-05-26T23:02:59Z

<p>Osmiris: Added: schisms</p> <hr /> <div>== '''Welcome to the {{SITENAME}}!''' ==<br /> This is a repository of crowd-sourced information about Satanism. We're a collaborative community website about Satanism that anyone, including you, can build and expand. Wikis like this one depend on readers getting involved and adding content. Click [[Special:CreatePage|here]] or the &quot;Edit Source&quot; button at the top of any page to get started! <br /> <br /> There is no affiliation with [[The Church of Satan]] or [[The Satanic Temple]].<br /> <br /> : &lt;big&gt;&quot;Let us stand now, unbowed and unfettered by arcane doctrines born of fearful minds in darkened times. Let us embrace the Luciferian impulse to eat of the Tree of Knowledge and dissipate our blissful and comforting delusions of old. Let us demand that individuals be judged for their concrete actions, not their fealty to arbitrary social norms and illusory categorizations. Let us reason our solutions with agnosticism in all things, holding fast only to that which is demonstrably true. Let us stand firm against any and all arbitrary authority that threatens the personal sovereignty of One or All. '''That which will not bend must break, and [https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/03/13/destroy/ that which can be destroyed by truth should never be spared its demise]'''. It is Done. Hail Satan.&lt;/big&gt;&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.instagram.com/p/BX2w4qNhv9Y/? TST Invocation], 2017&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Table of Contents==<br /> '''Major Corporate Entities'''<br /> * For-profit: [[United Federation_of_Churches,_LLC|United Federation of Churches, LLC]], d/b/a &quot;The Satanic Temple&quot;<br /> * Nonprofit church: [[The Satanic_Temple_Inc|The Satanic Temple Inc]], formerly registered as &quot;The Satanic Temple&quot;<br /> * Nonprofit: [[Reason Alliance, Ltd]]<br /> * For-profit: [[64 Bridge LLC]], d/b/a &quot;Salem Art Gallery&quot;<br /> * For-profit: [[Winstonian Enterprises Ltd]], owner and operator of &quot;The Satanic Estate&quot; and its TST Virtual Headquarters<br /> * For-profit: [[Cinephobia LLC]], owner of TheSatanicTemple.TV<br /> * For-profit: [[Spectacle Films_Inc|Spectacle Films Inc]]<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> '''Key People'''<br /> * [[Doug Misicko|Douglas Alexander Misicko]], TST co-founder and owner, who also commonly uses pseudonyms &quot;Lucien Greaves&quot;&quot; and &quot;Doug Mesner&quot;<br /> * [[Cevin Soling|Cevin D. Soling]], TST co-founder and owner, who also uses pseudonym &quot;Malcolm Jarry&quot; for the Temple<br /> * [[Matthew Kezhaya|Matthew Kezhaya]], lawyer<br /> * [[William James MacNaughton|W. James MacNaughton]], lawyer<br /> * [[Greg Stevens]], head of [[TST Ministry]], who formerly used the psuedonym &quot;Priest Penemue&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Other figures'''<br /> * [[Stu de Haan]], lawyer and former TST Arizona chapter head<br /> * [[David Guinan]], one-time TST collaborator, who used the pseudonym &quot;Nicholas Crowe&quot; for the ''[[Hail Satan?]]'' film<br /> * [[Shane Bugbee]], one-time TST collaborator and longtime friend of Misicko prior to TST's founding<br /> * [[Brian Werner]], first TST &quot;high priest&quot; in June 2013 who left the org in December 2014<br /> * [[Zach Black]], former Church of Satan member and former Portland Chapter head<br /> * [[Adam Parfrey]], publisher of [[Feral House]] books and TST collaborator prior to his death<br /> * [[Jex Blackmore]], former Detroit chapter head and former national spokesperson<br /> * [[Dex Desjardins]], former Albany chapter head and member of International Council<br /> * [[Sarah Ponto Rivera]], former head of [[Grey Faction]], former member of International Council<br /> * [[Chalice Blythe]], former head of [[TST Utah]]<br /> * [[Evan Anderson]], head of Grey Faction<br /> * [[Hollow Axis]], head of TST security<br /> * [[Happy Endings]], prominent member of Chicago chapter and serial filer of pro se First Amendment lawsuits <br /> * [[Mercy Maelica]], assistant to Executive Ministry at [[64 Bridge LLC|The Satanic Temple HQ]]<br /> * [[Stephen Bradford Long]], host of [[Sacred Tension]] podcast and sponsored propagandist<br /> * [[June Everett]], head of [[After School Satan clubs]] national campaign.<br /> * [[Erin Helian]], Executive Director of Campaigns and Reproductive Rights for The Satanic Temple and Reason Alliance.<br /> <br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> '''Organizational Structure'''<br /> * [[Media:TST Organizational Hierarchy Structure.pdf|Internal structure]] (2018)<br /> * [[:File:TST-Code-of-Conduct-20210620.pdf|TST Code of Conduct]] (June 2021)<br /> * [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeWKWh-aAAAVZjJ?format=jpg&amp;name=large &quot;Transformed&quot; internal structure](2021 - incomplete)<br /> * [[Executive Ministry|Executive Ministry]]<br /> * [[Chapters|Chapters]] (now Congregations)<br /> * [[Schisms]]<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> '''Other pages'''<br /> * [[The ABCs of the Alphabet]]<br /> * [[Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special]]<br /> * [[Seven Tenets]]<br /> * The Satanic Temple's [[The_Satanic_Temple#For-Profit Corporation Lawsuits|for-profit corporation lawsuits]]<br /> * The Satanic Temple's [[The_Satanic_Temple#Nonprofit Church Lawsuits|non-profit corporation lawsuits]]<br /> <br /> == References ==</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17122 2024-05-26T23:02:17Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism */</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17121 2024-05-26T23:01:52Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. This list is incomplete and under construction.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * Coalition of Satanic Congregations<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Schisms&diff=17120 2024-05-26T23:01:22Z

<p>Osmiris: Created page with &quot;The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation. =2018= ==Global Order of Satan schism== In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was s...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>The Satanic Temple has undergone a number of schisms since its foundation.<br /> <br /> =2018=<br /> ==Global Order of Satan schism==<br /> In 2018, TST UK collaborated with artist Darren Cullen in the Kreuzpflicht activism project&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/kreuzpflicht Kreuzpflicht project&lt;/ref&gt;. This responded to new legislation in Bavaria, Germany, which required crucifixes to be hung in the foyers of public buildings; this was justified by authorities as the cross was seen as a &quot;cultural symbol&quot; rather than a religious one. The project mailed modified crucifixes to public bodies, which could only be hung inverted.<br /> <br /> The project caused conflict with TST International Council, as the UK Chapter received no response from enquiries within TST and proceeded with the project without receiving official permission. As a result the UK Chapter Head was dismissed. After a vote was taken among UK members for a new Chapter Head, the member selected was rejected without explanation by TST International Council.<br /> <br /> This precipitated an independence vote among European Chapters, after which the UK Chapter disaffiliated from TST and was joined by chapters from France, Germany and Sweden among others. Filming for the documentary ''Hail Satan?'' took place immediately after the UK Chapter's decision to leave TST, and included interviews with many of the members of the UK chapter about the background and motivations for their departure. However none of this material made it into the final cut of the film, with the released cut instead giving the impression that the interviewed members remained part of TST.<br /> <br /> After first branding themselves Satanic Temple International, the new organisation later rebranded as Global Order of Satan and continues to operate independently as of 2024.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.globalorderofsatan.com/about-the-global-order-of-satan/history-and-background-of-the-global-order-of-satan/ About The Global Order of Satan]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> =2023=<br /> ==David Silverman schism==<br /> On June 5th, 2023, David Silverman tweeted a photo with [[Doug Misicko]] at the Baphomet statue in TST's [[64 Bridge LLC|Salem HQ]].<br /> David Silverman is the former president of American Atheists, before departing under a cloud following sexual assault allegations &lt;ref&gt;[https://www.conservapedia.com/Firing_of_David_Silverman_from_the_American_Atheists_organization Conservapedia article]&lt;/ref&gt;. He subsequently became known for posting transphobic comments on Twitter. Following criticism for being photographed in public with him, [[Doug Misicko]] doubled down, attacking critics.&lt;ref&gt;[https://x.com/LucienGreaves/status/1666566543642075137/ Lucien Greaves on Twitter]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Queer Satanic posted about this event:&lt;ref&gt;[https://medium.com/@queersatanic/whats-going-on-with-david-silverman-and-the-satanic-temple-3aeadc6fd7e Queer Satanic article]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> Following a number of additional dismissive comments, a number of TST groups disaffiliated from the main organisation, including TST UK (rebranding as Satanists in the Wilderness) and Sober Faction.<br /> <br /> =2024=<br /> ==Memegate / Eternal Nobodies schism==<br /> In May 2024, emails between [[Doug Misicko]] and a TST Minister were released in which the Minister was unceremoniously fired.<br /> Subsequently, Doug appeared on the [[The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST|The Satanists Next Door Podcast]], further attacking critics who he described as &quot;eternal nobodies&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;[https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-and-its-eternal-nobodies/ QueerSatanic: The Satanic Temple and its Eternal Nobodies]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> A number of prominent members and groups disaffiliated from TST following this series of events, including:<br /> * Head of TST Ministry [[Greg Stevens]] dismissed<br /> * The Satanic Temple Minnesota leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Florida leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Australia leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Colorado leaves<br /> * Coalition of Satanic Congregations<br /> * The Satanic Temple of Alabama leaves<br /> * The Satanic Temple of North Carolina leaves<br /> * A majority of The Satanic Temple Germany members and Ministers leave<br /> &lt;under construction&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/Sacred_Tension-STLucienGreavesRighttoOffend&diff=17119 2024-05-26T22:12:51Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>==Background==<br /> Podcast title: Sacred Tension: The Freedom to Offend feat. Lucien Greaves<br /> STEPHEN BRADFORD LONG<br /> Published: August 20, 2022<br /> <br /> ==Show notes (as published)==<br /> AUGUST 20, 2022 ~ STEPHEN BRADFORD LONG<br /> In this episode of Sacred Tension, Lucien Greaves and I talk about the attempted assassination of free speech hero Salman Rushdie, the Fourth Tenet of the Satanic Temple, the importance of offense in a pluralistic democracy, how Surveillance Capitalism destroys the marketplace of ideas, and much more. <br /> <br /> SUMMARY KEYWORDS<br /> people, free speech, blasphemy, salman rushdie, offense, feel, tst, offended, hear, alex jones, satan, offensive, satanic, ben shapiro, idea, disgust, criticism, norms, questions, thought<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 00:13<br /> <br /> This is Sacred Tension, the podcast about the discipline of asking questions. My name is Steven Bradford long. And once again, I am here with the one and only Lucien Greaves, co founder and spokesperson of the Satanic Temple. Hi, how are you?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 00:32<br /> <br /> Very good. Thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 00:33<br /> <br /> We're doing this intro all over again, because I hit record. And then about seven minutes in, I noticed that it wasn't recording your audio. So we had to like, I had to like, figure out what the fuck was going on and restart. So hi, hello again. So the audience will miss that whole section where we talked about Kashia at the beginning, and you're apparently friends with her. And there's like an unreleased Kashia Lucian interview that hasn't come out. And everyone should go on Twitter and petition her to release that, that that forgotten Lucien Greaves interview. And then the idea was aired that maybe Kashia and Satanic Planet could do like some some crossover song, and you offered no comment on that. And that was the moment when I realized that I hadn't hit record. We're not going to rehash all that territory. We'll just leave people in suspense.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 01:34<br /> <br /> Yeah, well, maybe she should just interview me again. Because the original interview she did with me was, I don't know, past- past February or something like that. It could be outdated by now.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 01:45<br /> <br /> Who knows? All right. So yeah, well, tell tell your good friend Kashia that your friend Steven loves her new show conjuring Kashia<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 01:58<br /> <br /> I'm not going to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 02:01<br /> <br /> Good. You shouldn't you really shouldn't. All right. Well, so you had a thing. You had a movie thing? Up in Salem. Since last we talked. It was like in between shows that we did. So how did that go? What did you do? What was the thing?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 02:16<br /> <br /> Well, that it, you know, apparently went really well. I wasn't really an audience member. I was I was the talent, you know, with cash. I know, a lot of people wanted to come weren't able to make it. Unfortunately, it really turned out to be bad timing for a lot of people. But we didn't know that when we started planning this, I had started, you know, live-streaming movie nights, pretty much at the beginning of the pandemic as a way to have some kind of social interaction with people. And in the sidebar of chat, where the film is streaming, and TST.TV, we, we just make fun of these horrible movies that play, you know, I specialize in finding obscure low budget terrible, but entertaining films, entertaining, at least watch in that kind of setting. And so we've been doing that for, you know, going on three years now. And it was always an idea that we would do an in person movie night, when conditions allowed for it. You know, earlier on during the pandemic, of course, nothing was going on if this kind of nature and venues or anything like that. But, you know, even given all this time, and the restrictions lifted on masks and things like that, we were kind of in a COVID surge anyways, at the point where we did this in person Movie Night, and that wasn't lost on people. And some people didn't want to come for that reason. And other people, of course, because travel expenses were about four times their their norm. A lot of people stayed home too. But it was still a good crowd. And, you know, most importantly, in my mind, Satanic Planet, played, my band played its first show, which was a surprise show for the in person movie night during intermission we took to the stage and in there we went first show ever. It's amazing. I didn't realize that was your first show. Not only was it the first show, it felt like it was the first time we had actually kind of performed together in any coherent way because we had very little time we that we had given ourselves to do rehearsals, and the rehearsals were all a disaster before the actual live show.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 04:41<br /> <br /> How so how were they disasters?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 04:43<br /> <br /> Well, it was mostly technical problems. You know, I was encountering problems of feedback with this effects processor. I was using problems of compression to the point where, you know, I was is getting very unpredictable results from the microphone being like, I could shout into it, and you'd hear nothing, and then all of a sudden, it would come in way too hot. And then we were in a real tight kind of restrictive rehearsal setting. And when we started playing with the drummers and everything, I couldn't hear a fucking thing. And then I, there was a kind of panic about, well, you know, what, if I can't hear my cues, doing this live, you know, like, the idea that I'm not actually going to be able to hear where the track is that while I'm supposed to be on time with my vocals and everything else. So, you know, ended up buying in-ear monitor, you know, earbud piece to, yep, to hear what's going on better, and, you know, some other equipment and but then we got into the venue, and they had a great sound system. And some of that seems superfluous, because we could actually hear ourselves and, you know, and we, we delivered, I think, in a way that indicated that we were far more prepared than we actually were, and I'm happy with that outcome. That's always a good feeling. Yeah, cuz it seemed really idiotic of me at the time. Just before we were doing this, I thought, Well, shit. And I also put myself in a position where we're live streaming this, you know, we haven't had a successful run yet. And this is our first performance. Oh, my God, live stream it so that everybody can have this for for eternity, if, if it goes terribly wrong?<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 06:36<br /> <br /> Uh huh. Well, I'm glad it didn't go terribly wrong. Something that not many people know about me is that I went to school for classical music. I was a classical vocalist. And so there were seasons when I was performing every single week, and the anxiety of just thinking about any kind of situation where anything can go wrong on stage still, like over a decade later just terrifies me. The, the, the anxiety is so overwhelming. So yeah, that's, that's impressive that you got through that? Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 07:13<br /> <br /> God, I have to say, I still think it's, it's less impressive than doing the ad hoc speaking engagements with q&amp;a and stuff like that. I think I still think that's a bit more rough. You know, I have an exact script for Satanic Planet. Right now I have a very well defined series of, of actions I go through and, you know, the vocals are all written for that. And that's what I do. There's no q&amp;a afterwards. There's no reason for anybody to be so upset that they come and stab me up on the stage show, boy.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 07:50<br /> <br /> Okay, so actually. So, before we get to that, I just realized that I forgot to thank my patrons, I won't go into my regular spiel. Because we're already into the show. I did the regular spiel about patrons about Patreon in the last cut that didn't get recorded, but Arthur Robert, Rory chatting cat thank you so much, and other people who might want to become patrons, you can do that patreon.com/stevenbradfordlong there's also a link in the show notes. All right. Um, yeah, so you brought up the topic of stabbing on a stage as is so often the case when we do a show so much happens. There is so there is so much in the news to talk about. And in this situation, the renowned author Salman Rushdie, Salman Rushdie, I don't really know how to say his last name Salman Rushdie, the author of The Satanic Verses was stabbed on stage because his book The Satanic Verses is considered offensive to a lot of religious people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 08:57<br /> <br /> Right and a fatwa was issued 33 years ago now on<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 09:01<br /> <br /> these in the fatwa is, is as old as me. I was one year old when that when that thing happened, and now 30 years later, he is or 33 years later, he was<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 09:18<br /> <br /> 10 times on stage in upstate New York. But it does look like he'll recover. In the New York Times published an article just just yesterday or today. In the title of it was something, something to the effect of that the Rushdi stabbing has revived free speech debates, and I've seen a lot of op eds, you know, from defenders of free speech talking about why it's important and hopefully people can see that now with this incident and things like that. But honestly, I don't think that This stabbing has provoked any debate. No, I<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 10:02<br /> <br /> No, I don't. I don't think it has i Well, and the reason I don't think it has is because this has been 30 years in the making. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 10:12<br /> <br /> Well, it's just fallen on deaf ears in a world now where, you know, previously it was 1989 when the fatwa was issued against Salman Rushdie. And at the time, Jimmy Carter wrote an op-ed in New York Times saying that, you know, he thought the book was very offensive. And he took that, that position where, you know, essentially, we shouldn't be applauding this kind of offensive speech, and we shouldn't promote it, we shouldn't amplify it. But the First Amendment stands, and it's important and all that, which I feel is kind of nonsensical, but cowardly. Yeah, it's cowardly. But it's not as offensively cowardly, I don't think as the people who won't stand by the First Amendment, even in the circumstances, and instead, just insist that, you know, we must do away with the concept of free speech entirely. Yeah. And, you know, for the New York Times to say, this has revived the debate on free speech. I think, you know, all we're really seeing right now is the defenders of free speech, feeling emboldened to come out and say that they defend free speech and artistic liberty and all of that. But I'm really not seeing the articles from the anti free speech sides giving the however, and I think that that's because we live in an environment now where people take this a-la-carte attitude towards their issues. And if one scenario is troublesome, they'll simply ignore it for something that's more conducive to their argument. So, you know, they'll ignore Salman Rushdie. And then, you know, in the same very end the very same day, they're likely to draw a tenuous relationships between certain media and certain events, suggesting that we need to do away with free speech. I mean, the calling for somebody's death, you know, harassing people, libel, defamation, those kinds of things. They're already illegal. Yeah, right. But what we have now is a real push to to E legalize offensive speech. And we've gotten this from the beginning of the the inception of the Satanic Temple. I've seen messages all the time from people saying, if it weren't for our fourth tenant''[sic]'', they could stand by us. And our fourth tenant''[sic]'', of course, upholds the freedom to offend. Yes. And some people just don't understand why we even have that in, you know, I wonder if these people have any understanding, you know, even 10% of who we are, you know, to wonder why we could stand up for the freedom to offend, you know, in this current culture, of, you know, of perceived violations against minority communities based upon other people's offensive behavior. I don't understand how people fail to see that we are a marginalized, religious minority community. And we do deal with death threats all the time, we do fully understand the dangers of free speech. But we also understand that people see what we do as offense. And you know, it there's a real cognitive dissonance amongst that crowd who could embrace what we do, but also fail to recognize how what we do is dependent upon free speech to simply say, well, your speech isn't offensive, because you're not doing this or whatever, is to ignore the fact that they've set standards and by which they're not the ones to decide what's offensive, the offended do. And so when Catholics take the liberty of claiming that what we do is so offensive to them that it's tantamount to hate speech. And us doing any activity publicly is similar to allowing, you know, a KKK rally or whatever else, which also shouldn't be illegal is is entirely misconstrued. It's, the arguments are so are so incoherent sometimes that I wish that there was a revived debate about free speech going on that people were talking about the limits and what they actually want, when they call for further restrictions. And maybe it could lead to some discussion over how that could backfire on us, you know, if we start calling for uh, you know, prohibition against offensive speech that isolates any particular minority? Where does that end? And who exactly are the minorities even in the Rushdie case? It's not clear. Right, Rushdie was born into an Indian Kashmiri Muslim family. So are we really to say that he has no place being critical of Islam, you know, anybody who's grown up in an environment where they have a belief system imposed upon them, can't then be expected to shut up about whatever, whatever criticisms they have in to have that kind of that kind of perspective in which you think they should, I think, takes a really kind of patronizing position towards other cultures, societies, ethnicities, races and everything else. Because, you know, we don't afford that same kind of latitude towards our religious majorities here. People don't do that. If people don't feel that way about offending Catholics here, and people are really going to cry in defense of theocratic Iran, when they call for a fatwa against Salman Rushdie, I guess it's just that provincial notion that everything's the same everywhere in the world as it is in the United States. And that, you know, the Muslim populations are a minority anywhere they go and feel a unique sting of American readers reading something they feel is defamatory against them. And if in 20 years from now, the United States is very much in the midst of its own theocracy, which, you know, is not out of the question. I imagine how patronizing it would be to hear people overseas from other cultures, denigrating heretics like us, and saying we absolutely have no right to pick on it. This, this rich culture of Christianity that we clearly don't understand, right? Even though we've grown up in this environment, we've been, we've, we've felt the, the oppressive sting of their attempts to legislate our lives. And then we're going to deal with people telling us that we're, we're too we're too insensitive and our criticisms against that. That's, that's what I see when I see this kind of thing. Yeah, and I don't humane<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 17:47<br /> <br /> it's it's paternalistic, inhumane, a combination of like anti human coddling to say, oh, you know, Salman Rushdie, he has no right to to, you know, hurt the feelings of a religious community in this way. And, you know, today I- I was watching kind of some vintage Footage from 30 years ago, when the fatwa was first announced against Salman Rushdie and the- the fear, uh, in the streets of Muslim majority countries, the rage, the righteous rage, and the disgust and the anger and the hurt. And it really, when you see something like that it really drives home the reality that offense is not a barometer for truth. Offense on its own means nothing offense on its own, is any emotion and that's it. We don't have to elevate it to any sort of truth, the truth might be elsewhere. And in fact, I think most of the time the truth is elsewhere and is not necessarily somehow embedded in the offense that we all feel, you know, the in this human reaction, but it's such a deceptive emotion because it feels so righteous offense feels so righteous and has such a sense of moral clarity to it, but that's an illusion. And you can watch these riots of Muslims in the streets burning effigies of Salman Rushdie and realize that the moral compass is just broken their moral compass, their- their offense meter was just broken. It was, it was misfiring in that occasion. And if we elevate offense to the love to the status of truth, or morality, then we're just in big fucking trouble because offense is just an emotion sometimes there's truth beneath it, but very often Often there isn't.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 20:02<br /> <br /> Right, right. And I feel like, you know, the the mainstream attitude was towards Muslims was, you know that you have every right to be offended. And you know, but however, and you know, I'm not even sure about that, do you really have a right to be offended when you indoctrinate children into a into a particular belief system and then demand that they have no criticism of it for the rest of their lives? Right, you know? Or how did how does anybody know what Rushdie's experiences you know, I know people who still identify as Christian, and I don't hold it against them. It doesn't work for me, I can never see this mythology as an embodiment of my ideals. But people who hold very similar values to me can't see it any other way. They have a liberal interpretation of Christianity. They have a different background, they have a different upbringing, these things mean different things to them. Right? Yep. And to Rushdie Islam means something that it doesn't mean to a lot of the Muslims I met growing up in Michigan, who were all very moderate Muslims, and certainly not, you know, wants to endorse the fatwa or anything like that, right. And I have sympathy for them, too. But I feel like if I were to have a dialogue about this, I would just tell them like, those very things, you're like, you don't know this guy's background, you don't know what he's dealt with. And, yes, this is so ubiquitous. And, and important, honestly, like a religion reaches that point, it becomes important, whether it's all an illusion, or are based upon, you know, misguided mythology or not, you know, you know, the Pope is a powerful person, just because people imagine that he is, you know, and then then you have the power of numbers behind you, and that kind of thing. You have to be able to offer criticism, you have to be able to dissect these things and scrutinize them, ask questions and in nobody should be able to stop you from that. And there's, you know, an untold value in that, that I think, you know, I can't do justice to win in florid prose, but it is essential to any free and democratic society. And we should be very careful. We put any prohibitions, you know, beyond those that we have, on offensive speech taking offense is not a legitimate criticism, it never has been merely taking offense. That is, yeah, like, you can think about things that, you know, are of significant consequence, like putting, putting fatwas out, you know, death threats upon people and things like that, you know, we can be offended by those things, but they're not illegal just because they're offensive. And we don't leave it to somebody else to just tell us they're offended and say that something should not stand because of it. That's not, it's not a legitimate reason to ban anything. It never has been, it never will be. And I feel like, instead of seeing a renewed debate about free speech, we're seeing intellectual cowardice from the anti free speech crowd that has never bothered to answer the difficult questions. And I know this personally, because I've written essays about free speech, where I pose these questions where I ask, like, in a case of a guy like Salman Rushdie is, are we to consider him, you know, assimilated into the broader non-believing population? That's non Islamic. When he when he becomes an apostate of Islam, or as an apostate of Islam? Is he a minority within a minority, deserving of even greater protections? You know, those are the kinds of questions I would expect from this kind of debate if a debate were being had. But as I said, I don't see that debate happening. I see people just treating this idea as something to score points with on social media, you know, and they take, they take a very extreme stance, and they ignore whatever scenarios they don't like. And I feel like this Salman Rushdie case is exactly that. I'm not seeing a whole lot of people saying this time around. I'm not seeing a whole lot of people saying like, well, however, he should have known better or whatever. I feel like now people are accustomed to just waiting till the new cycle goes and waiting for an argument that's more conducive or set of circumstances more conducive to their their position, so they don't have to You don't have to take a principled stand, that applies generally, they just like to pick and choose.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 25:05<br /> <br /> Right, you know, the ACLU, which used to be the bastion of free. So they've said nothing, they had nothing. And that to me, I think just that, to me is symptomatic of the response to this whole thing. I mean, like you said, the pro free speech, people are, you know, emboldened jumping all over jumping all over it, you know, people like us are jumping all over it and making it a topic of conversation. But, but I think a lot of a lot of other people in the, you know, quote, unquote, discourse are just, it's just crickets. And it's the same with the ACLU, which used to be, you know, the greatest bastion of free speech in the United States, or one of at least, and they've, they I, in my opinion, they've completely lost their way in recent years as as defenders of free speech, and they have been dead silence, at least as of this recording. They have been dead, silent. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 26:06<br /> <br /> And yeah, and it's been, it's been almost a week. <br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 26:10<br /> <br /> Now, it has been almost a week. So I doubt they will say anything, but how do I want to say this, okay, so I know Catholics, for whom satanic imagery, say, the Black Mass, for example, and the Black Mass is an inversion and blasphemy of the Catholic Mass. And that that is specifically what makes it a Black Mass is that it is a an inversion of the primary features of the Catholic Mass, there are Catholics for whom the very existence of a Black Mass happening is just a form of psychic psychological torture. To them. It is a it is a sort of heartbreak and torture and offense that to my eyes seems unbearable. And I remember having a conversation not with a Catholic, but with a Christian friend of mine, who was generally very supportive and very, you know, very, very progressive, and were great friends. But I read some sections of a Black Mass to him and he just burst into tears. He just started sobbing because the there was such a powerful visceral response, and they owe where do I want to go with this that sense of heartbreak at a symbol being used in the quote unquote, wrong way, that sense of heartbreak and confronting that heartbreak and confronting that offense and that anguish, it that's kind of necessary to living in a democracy in a pluralistic democracy. And so, you know, another example, I just recently read Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs. And I mean, just total levels of depravity, just like unbelievable levels of depravity, and it came out in the 60s. And I'm like, I cannot even imagine how America in the 60s responded to this book. And William S. Burroughs was a was a champion of free speech. And the reason is, because that that feeling of gross ness and offense, a pluralistic society demands that we maybe not 100% defeated people may never completely overcome that disgust response, but at least that it be contained enough so that we can have a cooperative body politic, right. And when I look at the response to Salman Rushdie, in parts of the Islamic world caveat, not the entire Islamic world, but you know, and definitely in certain parts of it in certain theocratic corners. That's a that is a level of disgust that does not allow for any sort of pluralistic existence whatsoever.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 29:07<br /> <br /> Well, yeah, I mean, going back, though, to the idea of the Black Mass, and this bringing somebody into tears, I think there's, it's a, it's a very unsophisticated view a lot of people have when it comes to blasphemy, which I would hope anybody who has any affinity for Satanism would realize that the blasphemous is important to us internally, you know, personally, and not just something we engage with because we're hoping it'll piss somebody off in our immediate proximity at the moment. We're doing it like to us, you know, blasphemy itself has the transcendent value that other people get from the mainstream religious team. teachings themselves, perhaps our ability to remove ourselves from it, to take the things that we've been indoctrinated with, and embrace their opposite even, even when we've been told that those things will put us into a pit of eternal torment, or that, you know, these are thoughts that must not be thought, you know, there's a very liberating feeling that comes from being able to embrace blasphemy. And a lot of us, you know, came to Satanism in that way where we might have been unbelievers, but you still have that visceral response to something that's been so imprinted upon you. Yeah, that is the blasphemy that relevance. And in that way, blasphemy is very important. And even though we have our own affirmative values, and we're totally willing to accept it, when those values are in line with somebody, or some group or church that identifies themselves as Christian, or whatever, you know, we don't simply change our point of view to be the opposite of what somebody else says. You know, you can call off and define anything by its opposites. You know, and for a lot of Satanists, we feel that a lot of our values are diametrically opposite of those that were traditionally imposed by the Christian religion. And that's a legitimate viewpoints, that's a viewpoint that isn't one meant merely to provoke and offend. You know, it's, it's it, it can be a viewpoint held by responsible adult thinking people, and it can be a very legitimate religious viewpoint as well. So to treat blasphemy in this way, as though it's always just an effort to offend the true believers and adherence of a religious practice is beyond insulting to the reality on the ground, in, you know, not to beat a dead horse. But going back to that idea of being raised in an environment and having these things imposed upon you your entire life. And then having somebody have the audacity to say that you simply don't have the understanding necessary to put these criticisms upon upon this group, because apparently, you have to agree with them enough to be one of them, to identify as one of them to have any criticism at all. Right, so that possible, so that could possibly work out. So no, there really is no excuse for the idea of standing by anti blasphemy laws. And I honestly feel that with the lack of respect, for free speech on both sides of the political spectrum, you have the right trying to ban books and burn books, again, yep, well, while simultaneously upholding themselves as the defenders of free speech when they find themselves banned from social media platforms, or whatever else. But on the opposite side of that, you find people who are dumb enough to take those right wing fanatics at their word, that they are defenders of free speech, and figuring there for free speech must be entirely abandoned. And I think that this leads inexorably eventually towards anti blasphemy laws in the United States. If the Republicans sweep their way back into power, fully realizing that they can get away with anything they want, in the wake of Trump, and desperate as ever, to appeal to an ever more militantly fundamentalist evangelical base.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 34:04<br /> <br /> Right? Yeah, no one no one should buy into the Republican talking points about free speech. They talk about free speech the same way they talk about religious liberty. That was the same way they talk about religious freedom, which is basically absolute freedom for me. No freedom for those who I think are immoral, degenerate. Wrong symbol, what have you, right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 34:33<br /> <br /> Oh, the same way they talk about the Constitution. Yeah, no idea what it says or what it stands for? Is this whatever they feel is sounds right at the moment. <br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 34:42<br /> <br /> Well I think this is a really important point, though, because I think one of the reasons why so many people on the left have soured towards the concept of free speech is because they've bought the far right's bullshit. They've bought the concept, that free speech is a right wing value. And maybe the reason why they've bought that lie is because their first encounter with free speech was maybe 4chan or some horrific anti semitic troll on Twitter and so on and so forth. But and I get being disgusted by all that I get being disgusted by people who say that they are acting in the name of free speech but but that Disgust is about as rational as you know, saying, oh, Religious freedom is also a right wing talking point, therefore, there's no merit in the concept of freedom of religion, right? Like it's the same logic. And so like, no one should by the right wing lie, that that they are the Bastion that they are the torchbearer of free speech because they aren't.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 35:53<br /> <br /> Oh look, look at that little cunt. Charlie Kirk, right? He has been floating Trump ever since Trump was first elected. He started he's this he's this little dickhead who's has it has who looks like he has hydrocephalus. He<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 36:11<br /> <br /> was he was the one by the way, who there's a viral footage of him from several years ago of like being in a diaper cosplaying and a diaper pretending to be a triggered snowflake on a college campus and in a diaper. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 36:26<br /> <br /> yeah, all right. He's the defender of free speech, who also felt that the government should have intervened from SatanCon taking place. Oh, that's right. I mean, talk about prohibitions against free speech. These are not defenders of free speech by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, but that's no excuse for, you know, any of us to match their tactics by being just as hypocritical and disingenuous, ignoring the case of Salman Rushdie in favor of claiming, well, you know, if right part weren't allowed to publish, then, you know, we speculate that, you know, so many, so many marginalized people wouldn't have been killed by police this year, whatever else, you know, whatever kind of tangential relationship they can, they can determine from anything, you know, with or without any evidence at all, or, you know, or evidence based upon lived experience, which is a, you know, which is sometimes valid as, as a means of actually listening to the populations you're talking about. But it's often abused to say, well, we just have to take everything, you know, the person we prefer to listen to says at face value without listening to anybody else. Yeah, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 37:43<br /> <br /> exactly. I want to I want to go back to that topic that you were just going on with about blasphemy. So as I was listening to your talk, where you were discussing how blasphemy the black mass in particular, it for us, it isn't about React or, you know, offending or attacking another faith, it is rather about taking our own trauma, our own experiences with our theocratic upbringings, and kind of through the alchemy of ritual, turning it into something transcendent. And that reminds me of something that an acquaintance named Pope Wonka said this was a while ago, this was a long time ago, but he was he was talking about the concept of high blasphemy, or maybe another way to put it is transcendent blasphemy versus reactionary blasphemy. And they both might have their place. I mean, and we can't create a world where either of them are illegal, and we can't create a world where I where either of them are forbidden, right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 38:59<br /> <br /> Right. And we don't want to create an environment where we have somebody at the door checking and saying, Well, which one are you? Yeah, exactly. And we end those what one one comes from the other. I feel like, I feel like at the beginning, you're likely to want to offend, you know, you feel perhaps that you were harmed, and you want to say fuck you, you know. Yep. But for some people, it's just not that and I think people evolve also, or they realize this has personal value to me, but I really have no interest in raising the ire of somebody else. However, I'm going to be true to myself, and I'm going to do what I want to do, and nobody should be restrained from doing that. And there's an important message in that, you know, there's, there's an important message for people who maybe haven't thought that deeply about these issues might have similar exposure to similar things. But you know, it's always nice to know. So always nice there. It's always going to be the apostates and blasphemers around, you know, do we want to pretend They're not there. Do we want to ignore them? Do we want to? Do we do we want to silence them just to make sure that nobody's offended?<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 40:08<br /> <br /> Yeah, yeah. So so I could hear someone listening to this and try to parse out what you're saying here. And they might respond with something like, okay, so what about someone like Alex Jones, where his speech has caused legitimate damage? And can any sane person really say that he should be able to say what he said, and I bring this up? Because his trial is going on in it's a complete fucking circus? And maybe we can talk about that, too. But I know, I know how I would respond to that. But how would you? How would you respond to that? Like, because it's easy for a lot of people to, to look at the term free speech, and then look at someone like Alex Jones and the untold amounts of damage that he has caused, and our culture and just be like, No, I, the concept of free speech is fundamentally flawed. And Alex Jones is the proof of why how would you respond to that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 41:08<br /> <br /> Well, one thing I would first say is that Alex Jones is being held accountable.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 41:13<br /> <br /> And exactly what he did was illegal.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 41:15<br /> <br /> Right. Right. And, you know, that he is being charged with defamation and other such things, and it doesn't look like it's going well, for him, but just the same, you know, you want him to have good representation in the courts, because you don't want Yep, fixation with the specific case of Alex Jones, to, you know, diminish our free speech environment, you know, in ways that become prohibitive against, you know, speaking truth to power. So, you know, there again, you know, as much as I hate Alex Jones, I want to see him get his day in court. And I also feel that for his irresponsible, is he clearly it's an irresponsible idiot, like him, you know, you can hope only comes around, you know, once every couple generations or whatever, but unfortunately, it looks like we've got a daily show of them.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 42:20<br /> <br /> Yep. Right. To pandemic.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 42:23<br /> <br /> Yeah, there's an epidemic of Alex Jones is, yep. But, but really, you know, there's, there's a lot that goes into Alex Jones, seeming credible to people that go well beyond Alex Jones, personally, as a character. And I think censoring him, doesn't do a whole lot to mitigate that. And in fact, could even make somebody like him a bit more powerful. There's a, in the conspiracy crowds, you know, censoring somebody doesn't tend to discredit them by any stretch of the imagination, it, it tends to lend more credibility, rather than anything else. And it's like, if you have to chase them around through different platforms or whatever, you're going to find an audience that's willing to do that and becoming more militant as things go on. You know, I feel like after a while, idiots like Alex Jones, tend to bury themselves. And, you know, I know there's a lot of people who like to say that deplatforming destroyed Milo Yiannopoulos. But that's revisionist history, not- not in the least. The protests against Milo Yiannopoulos made him a household name. That's right. He really he really flourished after, I think it was, was at Berkeley, where they,<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 43:54<br /> <br /> it was the Barclays riots. Yeah, it was it, it got very dangerous very quickly. Well, and you know, there was this,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 44:02<br /> <br /> even heard of him really, until then. And then then he was Benny was a household name. But, you know, he's the one who talked himself into oblivion, because he started justifying pedophilia, or whatever. And that's when he really collapsed. It had nothing to do with, you know, the protests against him, which only served to make him more popular. And that's the thing with a guy like Alex Jones, these ideas don't go away these ideas, they need to be confronted, and we definitely are in the throes of a real epidemic, when it comes to misinformation, fake news and things like that. And, you know, we have to find ways to mitigate the propagation of such on the internet, while still respecting the value of free speech, the principle thing like things like that, you know, you know, we really have to have that respect. You know what<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 44:58<br /> <br /> this is making me think of actually LEED is how so I don't know if you know this, but I used to be a big time conspiracy theorist. And so this was in my early 20s. So over over a year ago, or over a year ago, Jesus over over a decade ago, and you know, a lot of it was really wrapped up, I think in my PTSD from recently surviving a shooting at the time. And so I was hyper vigilant, and I fell down the YouTube algorithm hole and, and it was just a time of my life where conspiracy theories were very sticky for me, and and just kind of irresistible for me. And thinking back to then, when I was like, you know, when I was going down the Infowars, Alex Jones rabbit hole, and I was convinced Oh, and I was also a believer in in 2012, the whole 2012 conspiracy theory. And so back in 2010, and 2011, it was it was like impossible for me to invest in my future in any meaningful way. Because I was right, right, I was convinced that I that we were all going to die, right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 46:13<br /> <br /> Just Just hold there. Now imagine yourself wrapped up in that subculture online and stuff like that. And suddenly hearing that from from on high, some judges determine that you are not allowed. Yeah, exactly. Material anymore. Does anybody think for a moment that your reaction would be to say, well?<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 46:38<br /> <br /> Yeah, exactly wrong about everything. Yeah, it's a failure of empathy to realize the the depths of how much how deeply I believed it. And, and just thinking back to that time of my life, how would I respond if some judge said, Okay, now, you know, Alex Jones can't can't say these things anymore. I would take that as proof, I would take validation. And you know, what actually got me out of it was reading the rise and fall of the Third Reich by William Sharar. Because suddenly, I was reading real history. And it slowly dawned on me that there wasn't a secret cabal running the entire world, it dawned on me that there wasn't a a group of all powerful shadow government, you know, Shadow, you know, that the Illuminati wasn't controlling all of us that it was complex human affairs, kind of muddling itself out. And so it was reading real history that got me out of that death spiral that made me realize, Oh, I've been living a delusion that I'm getting really good therapy to for trauma. For for my PTSD, right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 47:57<br /> <br /> It's hardly a novel observation to say that conspiracy theories have taken the place of religion in a lot of people's minds. It's a way of finding some universal coherence. There's a narrative thread through everything, there's somebody in control, whether it's completely evil or not. And even if it's completely evil, then you have a centralized evil, that should only you defeat, all the ills in the world are fixed. In some ways. Conspiracy theories are very optimistic. But look what happens when you try also to censor religious movements, which is essentially how Christianity took off. You know, we still have these lingering tales of martyrdom, is veneration of, of Christians fed to the lions in ancient Rome? Yep. You know, nothing really made that a long term, sustainable religion, then its marginalization and the attempts to censor it from I mean, the idea that you can, you know, just prohibit these ideas from being spread, and thereby dismantle them entirely, is, I think, been proven wrong again and again, and has done no small amount of damage.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 49:25<br /> <br /> Yeah, absolutely. So if censorship doesn't work, then then what are the strategies? So so how do you counter the bad ideas? So let's take the most toxic deranged conspiracy theories what what are the strategies then that we do try to inject some rationality and reality into this dynamic because you know, If censorship is off the table, then what do we do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 50:04<br /> <br /> Right. And in I think, at this point, we have to look at what's unique about now. You know, it's like we've been dealing with conspiracy theories, from the very beginning. You know, whenever media was propagated, you know, there's always been fake news, there's always been dumb ideas. There's always been radicalized movements and stuff like that, what's unique about now, that makes this a situation in which, you know, people are again talking about prohibiting free speech after we had a period of entrenchment where, you know, people took, as, you know, a, and understood platitude that free speech was a fundamental value in democracy and in everything else, and I feel like, well, the idea of the marketplace of ideas where good ideas can counter bad ideas. And in eventually, the truth will win out has been compromised, by the way the big tech companies run their algorithms online, people have the impression that they're in an open marketplace of ideas online. But really, they're in their insulated bubbles, where they're being served a deluge of news and opinions, that are thoughts to match those that they already hold, because those are more conducive to their interaction, or, you know, just they're going to be showing the opinions that they're more most likely to interact with, even if they outrage them, or, or whatever. But they're also just seeing seeing a very limited sliver of what's available and what opinions are. So everybody is under the impression that their viewpoints are the norm, because that's what they're often seeing. And people are really spiraling into extremist directions as, as they only see one side of the story, they continually see it, they often see the same fake stories again and again. And those fake stories seem to lend credibility to them. Yeah, but I, I do think that, in order for us to mitigate the damage of the current corruption of the information environment, we need to kill the surveillance capitalism model of social media, and big tech internet companies, which is to say that this idea that they have some kind of free rein to collect whatever data they can on us indefinitely, determine our proclivities, our positions, what we'll respond to, and hold on to those, you know, metrics for the rest of time, or for the rest of your life or whatever. I think that needs to be utterly destroyed. And I don't think we're anywhere close to even having that dialogue right now. But I do think it's vital to humanity at this point that we consider dismantling this system.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 53:14<br /> <br /> You know, a big piece of the puzzle fell into place for me when I talked to Jonathan Roush, about his book, The Constitution of Knowledge several weeks ago. And the argument that Jonathan Roush makes is that free speech is really only functional if we have the institutions that are able to maintain it well, right. And so take for example, Twitter, Twitter is not a platform that adheres to what Jonathan Roush calls the constitution of knowledge, which is a set of time tested proven norms and wisdom about how discourse works well, and when those rules or when those norms become violent. And when those institutions start to deteriorate or you know, just just become you know, mutated horrific amalgams like surveillance, capitalism, capitalism and Facebook and Twitter. It's almost like, you know, people being it's almost like driving without traffic lights or something, it breaks down, it falls apart. And so a big piece that's fallen into place for me, is that free speech, free speech, if it is true, if it is authentic, if it is real, it also has to exist within a framework in which it is possible, right? And the institutions have to uphold those norms. Those and you know, he saw It's things like in the academic world peer review, no one has the final word. No one, you know, journalists can't lie, they they can't make stuff up. And this all sounds really intuitive to us now, but it really wasn't. Right. It took years it took decades, it took centuries for journalists to figure out that they shouldn't make shit up. Right. And, and so those those norms are important. And that's what makes free speech flourish. But what Twitter does and Facebook does is it erodes those norms. And I also sometimes wonder if that's why people are so are, are turning their back on the concept of free speech, because it's like the fish doesn't know they're wet. Maybe free speech doesn't seem to be, quote, unquote, working right now, not because the concept of free speech is wrong. But because the water we're living in the water we're swimming in is, is surveillance capitalism, which does not allow for the free exchange of ideas, and the marketplace of ideas to do its work.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 56:05<br /> <br /> Yeah, no, I think it's, it's a, in some respects, a reiteration of what I was saying about the information environment that people are in online, and the degree to which they don't realize that what they're seeing has been manufactured for them to match their interests. And, you know, despite what Google says about trying to mitigate the proliferation of misinformation, I'm infuriated sometimes by what I see in my recommends through YouTube.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 56:37<br /> <br /> No, yeah, same. YouTube apparently thinks that I'm that I really need to watch Ben Shapiro.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 56:44<br /> <br /> YouTube thinks everybody needs to see Ben Shapiro.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:'''<br /> Yeah, that's true. So John, my partner's absolutely no reason I should have ever recommended a video from that fuckface I've never watched anything that would suggest that I would have any interest in anything that shithead says, yeah. And yet, you know, you know, I hear people speculate all the time. Well, you know, Facebook has a right wing bias and these other sites or whatever, and I feel like, you know, it's probably, I don't know, it probably just turned out that way from the algorithm or whatever. YouTube's the one where I feel like, Alright, does YouTube really have this right wing bias? Why the fuck is it recommending?<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 57:27<br /> <br /> So I, I really wonder that too, because I'm pretty far left. Like, whenever I take the political test thing online, I always come out as like, super ultra progressive, whatever tribe that is where that where it's only like, 11% of the American population, or whatever it is, like, that's always the tribe that I come out as. And despite that, it always thinks that I want to watch Ben Shapiro and even John to date, my partner, John is maybe the most non political, non politically active. No, that's not true that that isn't accurate, but his interests aren't as political as mine, let's say. And he was just like, why the fuck is YouTube recommending Ben Shapiro to me, what is it about? And no, so I seriously do think that that YouTube might have a right wing bias. For whatever reason, I don't know why. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 58:22<br /> <br /> No, I see it too. Like I said, like I'm I'm always looking up, you know, outdated materials on YouTube and in low budget movies that are, you know, so abandoned that somebody was able to upload them to YouTube or whatever, but but nothing. Nothing would indicate that I would give a shit about Ben Shapiro. It really does seem to be Ben Shapiro, like YouTube must have some kind of vested interest in Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. That motherfucker.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 58:54<br /> <br /> Yep. Jordan Peterson to. So speaking of free speech, and so I did take some questions from my audience on on my Discord server. By the way, I do not mention my Discord server enough because it is a super cool group of people. So everyone, go to the go to the show notes. And there's a link for Discord in the show notes. Go- go check it out. It's a great group of people. Speaking of free speech, dissent, offense. One question did come up that I want to ask you about because I feel like it ties in with the conversation that we've had, quote, What does he think about the role of dissent within TST specifically as a subset of its role within the religion? So let's be more specific, let's say someone has listened this far to the podcast. They're a member of TST and they've really fucking disagreed with you on some things. What would be your response to that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 59:46<br /> <br /> Well, I mean, we're always open to the dialogue. We have our town halls, we try to keep open communication, you know, but if it comes down to my I disagree with the fourth tenant''[sic]'' Like, why don't you just go somewhere else? You know, it's one of our fundamental tenant''[sic]''s, you know, if we're, when we're working out the details beyond that, you know, there's always disagreement, and there's always a back and forth. But I feel like free speech is one of those things like we've held on to from the very beginning, and been very clear about as an organization. And to be honest, I haven't heard a coherent argument against it, that leads to a principled stand that could be broadly applied in wouldn't devastate the Satanic Temple itself. If it were instigated, as I said, you know, we have these, you know, Christian groups all the time saying that what we do is hate speech and everything else. And we're hyper vigilant against the prospect of anti-blasphemy laws and everything else, you know, so I feel like the people who say, Well, you just have to reconsider the one of your own fundamental tenets, I think, well, maybe maybe you should reconsider having any part of us because that's, that's a lot to ask, you know. But, you know, that said, again, you know, when it's not an issue of trying to change the very tenant''[sic]''s upon which this organization is based, and instead, discussing tactics of how we best arrive at the goals, we all share that we want to get to, you know, we always want to leave that discussion wide open.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 1:01:39<br /> <br /> There are people in TST, who really dislike, for example, the way I articulate my own Satanism, and I've heard from them, and I think that's fantastic, because Satanism is inherently individualistic, but like you said, when when it goes to the very heart, of what the organization is, to the tenets, what that kind of reminds me of is when people start to be really uncomfortable with the Satan part. Right, right, right. You know, I've watched this pattern happen over and over again, where someone will enthusiastically join TST to get, you know, some vague notion of religious exemption for, you know, their, you know, some progressive cause that they have, which is a good cause of BIA, bodily autonomy or LGBT rights or what have you, right. And so they, they come to TST. And, but, but they really take the poison pill approach, the idea that Satan is just a poison pill to give the theocrats, a taste of their own medicine or something like that. But then over time, they start to become really uncomfortable with the satanic aspect. And I start to hear things like, well, you know, if only we could maybe, you know, this isn't really about Satan, so maybe we could change that part. And I'm like, No, we're Satanists. To change the satanic part of it would be would mean, we aren't Satanists anymore. No, fuck you we're Satanist. And it's the same with the tenets. So it's like there there are certain levels of discourse that or disagreement that can happen we can disagree about our interpretations of the tenets but or we can disagree about tactics and we can disagree about the sym- you know, what the symbol of Satan means in our own lived Satanisms. But when it gets to the heart of what the organization is built on, which is the tenets and Satan is like no that then just go somewhere else.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 1:03:44<br /> <br /> There are some non-negotiables here. Yeah.<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 1:03:48<br /> <br /> And I think that's what frustrates me is when dissent is what what's what's what's put forward as dissent is really just will just change your entire fucking organization or just change your entire religion like Why Why does it have to be about Satan it this isn't really about Satan just, you know, just just be a humanist or whatever. It's, that's what frustrates me. But when dissent comes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 1:04:16<br /> <br /> out, of course, they could just go and be humanists themselves. Well, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 1:04:20<br /> <br /> there's, there's nothing wrong with that. Go Go be a humanist or Unitarian Universalist or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 1:04:27<br /> <br /> Why Satan, it's like, well, you don't have to do this. No,<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 1:04:32<br /> <br /> absolutely. Yeah. Well, I trying to think if there's anything else on my mind, but I think I think we covered it all. We covered your movie night and Satanic Planet performance. We talked about Salman Rushdie, I think I think that was all that I had. Is there anything else that you wanted to discuss?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko:''' 1:04:52<br /> <br /> No, I think we did it. I think it's a success.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long:''' 1:04:54<br /> <br /> I think it is a success. And dear listeners, I always welcome for feedback and I love hearing back from all of you because this is a conversation and this podcast is just one side of that conversation. So please leave a comment on my website StevenBradfordLong.com You can email me using the contact form on my website or you can join in the join in on the conversation on Discord. I would love that too. Well, that is it for this show. The music is by eleventy seven you can find it on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you listen to music This show is written, produced and edited by me Steven Bradford long and it is made possible by my patrons at patreon.com/StevenBradfordLong. As always Hail Satan. And thanks for listening<br /> .</div>

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<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div>==Background==<br /> Podcast title: Cults and New Religious Movements, feat. Joseph Laycock<br /> STEPHEN BRADFORD LONG<br /> Published: June 05, 2018<br /> <br /> ==Show notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode of Sacred Tension, I have a fascinating conversation with cult expert Joseph Laycock. He answers questions from me and my audience about new religious movements, and sheds enormous clarity on our culture in the process. We talk about why we differentiate between cults and religions, the history of the cult wars, new religions that have emerged in the past five years, whether or not cult brain washing is real, whether cults are an American phenomenon, and much more.<br /> NewReligiousMovements<br /> <br /> SUMMARY KEYWORDS<br /> religion, new religious movements, people, cult, jonestown, group, brainwashing, question, satanic temple, called, leader, cults, talking, absolutely, religious, scientology, church, world, america, students<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 00:00<br /> <br /> And one thing that I believe is that human beings need some kind of created order to think about their lives, right, that we need a language we need a structure for reality that is not inherently there. You know, we don't we're not comfortable saying, well, the order of the world's right people wear pants, we eat pigs, but we don't eat monkeys. You know, we pet dogs. We don't pet cockroaches. We don't want this to be arbitrary, because we can imagine it being a different way. And so one of the ways to create that sense of psychological security that we need to function in the world is the idea of well, there's a transcendent order, this is the will of God, this is the will of Heaven.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 01:06<br /> <br /> This is Sacred Tension, the podcast about the spiritual discipline of asking questions. My name is Steven Bradford Long and we are here on the theology corner Podcast Network. Today I am speaking to Joseph Laycock. Again, Joseph, welcome back to the show.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 01:21<br /> <br /> Thanks for having me.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 01:22<br /> <br /> So last time we had you on, we were talking about Dungeons and Dragons in the Satanic Panic and about your book Dangerous Games, which is a fabulous book and it was a great conversation. Today, we're going to be talking about new religious movements, aka cults. So before we get started, just share some of your your history, your bio, your field of study.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 01:45<br /> <br /> So I am trained to study American religious history under Steve Prothero at Boston University, but I'm interested in kind of the more controversial and marginalized religious groups and maybe that's because I'm from Austin, and I remember experiencing the events in Waco, Texas as a kid.<br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' Oh, that's right around the Branch Davidians.<br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' And so now I am a- I'm on the editorial board for a journal called Nova Religio. And this is a journal that produces new scholarship and research on on these kinds of groups.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 02:20<br /> <br /> I think the first question and the most obvious question and then I'll hand it off to my listeners, the academic world tends to call cults &quot;new religious movements&quot; whereas popular culture kind of the rest of us just refer to these weird fringe groups as cults. Why &quot;new religious movements&quot;? Why not just call them cults? Why is that distinction important?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 02:43<br /> <br /> So the word cults originally it's, it's related to the word cultivates it goes back to Greco-Roman times and when he would talk about cultist, DRM the care of the gods, he would go to a temple and you would take care of a God the way that you take care of your your houseplants, right, so on its most basic level of cult just refers to any organized form of worship. But in the 1970s in America, we had what were called the cult wars. And this was a period of time when a lot of new religious movements got really big really fast. And I'm talking about movements like the Hare Krishnas that everybody saw at the airports with their ponytails, the Moonies, who are in the news recently for doing a blessing of the AR-15 Rifle after the controversy in Florida, a group called the Children of God who engaged in a practice called flirty fishing, which basically involves getting young women to use their bodies to spread the religion. And so there was this cultural moment where we said these cults are destroying America. And these cults are brainwashing our children and some scholars in sociology mostly pushed back and said, Well, wait a second, wait a second, what is a cult you can label anything a cult, and it implies all these terrible destructive things, which might be true, some of these groups really do have pretty serious problems, but it might not. And so they wanted a less pejorative label to talk about what they were studying. And I'm not sure they really solved the problem, right? Because it's not really clear what defines something as a cult. When I asked my students they will often say things like, well there has to be a really authoritarian leader and they have to be doing inappropriate things with money but then here in Central Texas when I asked people to name some religions that are cults they will often say Wicca right well we'll go are paganism has no leader<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 04:34<br /> <br /> and as it would probably be considered a pretty valid religion.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 04:37<br /> <br /> I mean, the charter legally it's a valid religion. There certainly have not been that many cases I can think of, of sort of pagans being involved in violence. It doesn't have any of the characteristics that they usually ascribed to a cult. So why is it a cult I think really what these religions all have in common is that they kind of freak out the mainstream religious establishment which is mostly Protestant and so in religious We'd like to pretend that the work that we're doing is scientific and that we are taking- we're taking these kinds of objective frameworks for what we study. But really, whether we call it culture, new religious movements, we're studying things that kind of freak out mainstream Protestant America. And we've begun to say that's, that's a little bit of a problem. That's maybe not the best way to organize the data.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 05:20<br /> <br /> So generally speaking, kind of, unofficially, a cult is anything that freaks out the WASPs.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 05:26<br /> <br /> That's right. The problem with the word cult is it is shorthand for all these other bad things that a group may or may not be doing, right. But you kind of are able to say these things about a group subliminally, right? I didn't actually say your group was involved in brainwashing or your group was involved in money laundering. I just said you were a cult. And I'm gonna let the listener you know, infer all those associations that we have with the cult stereotype.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 05:54<br /> <br /> I have a friend named Chris Shelton. I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he comes on the show. He's been on the show two or three times. And he is a former Scientologists member of the Sea Org, and he wouldn't call himself an expert in cults but he calls it you know, he is an expert in Scientology. And when I asked him about this, he said that there is a difference between cult and destructive cult, and that cults are, you know, kind of everywhere. cults are ubiquitous, but the difference is a destructive cult, a destructive cult meaning a group that starts to prey on their people that starts to do nefarious things. Would you agree with that differentiation between cult and destructive cult?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 06:38<br /> <br /> Yeah, this is actually really important. I think that partly why we use this word cults is because we want to protect the word religion, we want religion to only refer to good things, right? We want religion to be something positive, that that unifies us, and we want to be tolerant. So we want to be open to religions other than our own. But then we need some other word now to talk about something that looks a whole lot like religion, but that we think is bad. And with my students, I encourage them to be more comfortable with just saying, you know, I think this is a bad religion. Yes, it's legally it's a valid religion. But it's, it's bad. And you know, certainly with a group like Sea Org, you can point to a lot of things that are arguably bad or bad that have happened in the past. That doesn't make it not a religion necessarily,<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 07:25<br /> <br /> Exactly. How about if I go ahead and let my listeners take it from here, I collected a lot of questions from social media. You know, I announced that I was having an expert in new religious movements. Come on, I think we're in this cultural moment. Or maybe we're in a cultural moment. That's just never gone away since since the 70s. But we seem to be fascinated with cults right now. For example, there have been lots of shows lately out about cults there's Waco, there's a you know, American Horror Story last year did their season about a cult. And so we just seem to be in this moment that's obsessed and fascinated with cults. And I'm sure there's more insight there. But so a lot of people were very interested in this conversation and had lots of questions. Here's a question from Donald, can you tell us two to three new religious movements that have started within the past five years, you know, we tend to think of cults as a thing of, you know, Jonestown, Scientology, Heaven's Gate, all of these new religious movements, they tend to be more in like the second half of the 20th century. Can you name any that are that have just started within the past three to five years? Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 08:36<br /> <br /> mean, there's a there's a gap between when a religious group starts and then when other people find out about it. And then finally, when scholarship is produced on it, sure. But the American Academy of Religion national conference meets every year, I'm currently reviewing articles that have been submitted on that one trend of growth we're seeing right now is in what's called invented religions. So this would include things like Jedi-ism, okay, people who would say I'm a Jedi, I call on the Force that's a bit older than five years, but not a whole lot more. And this is a trend we're seeing towards you know, if you want to create a new religion in the 21st century, that the traditional ways of starting a religion where either you tell people this is really ancient, and maybe it's been rediscovered, or you tell people I had a revelation from from God to start this new religion. And you know, some people have argued that the best way to do it in the 21st century is just to be honest with people and say, &quot;Look, I made this up, but hey, cool, and we can have a cool religion together&quot;. So Jedi-ism would fall in that category. There are other religions kind of based on media. Another area we see is lots of schisms of pre existing groups. So there is for example, a group called the Native American church that the government has said is allowed to use peyote for traditional purposes. There is now a guy named James Mooney, who is for Probably more European ancestry than Native American has taken the title Flaming Eagle for himself, he started his own sort of branch of the Native American church. And there's an argument about is this is this real or not, there was a controversy. Last semester, while I was teaching my class about a group, I think their their name is pronounced Nexium or something like this. But it is a kind of self improvement route for young women. And there was a story that this involves branding people somewhat against their will, oh, my goodness. And so you know, and so a lot of these things are kind of in this kind of gray area between what we traditionally think of as a religion and being something else. So this group presented itself as a kind of self improvement program, or a kind of network or something like this, but it seemed and there's a lawsuit going on right now. So we won't know kind of all the details until later, but seem to have some of the kind of classic things that people are afraid of goes goes on, in a group like this, including a kind of giving over your your autonomy to a to a powerful leader. So yeah, there's lots of growth going on. But there's a little bit of a gap for how fast we can keep track of it.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 11:09<br /> <br /> Would something like the new Satanic Temple or the Satanic Temple be considered a new religious movement?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 11:15<br /> <br /> I consider the Satanic Temple, a religious movement. But this depends on how we define what a religion is, right. And this is something that the government refuses to do. Supreme Court doesn't want to come in and say, This is a religion, and this is not. So by default, the branch of the government qualified to do this is the IRS. Right? The IRS gets to decide if you're not really if you're a religion, or not just if you have to pay taxes or not. There's a slight difference between being a church that has money coming through it and being a religion, the argument that Satanic Temple is not a religion is that they're atheists, they say we don't believe in God, we don't believe in the devil. The argument that they are, is they would say, look, not all religions are about supernatural beliefs. We have this really powerful symbol, which is the Satan of the Romantic poets and of John Milton, it means a lot to us, we do rituals together that shapes our worldview. That's what makes it a religion. And I'm actually the more that I've known about this as an example, I visited their headquarters in Salem, and they they do have rituals that they do all by themselves. They don't do them to annoy people or to annoy Christians. That's a lot of what they do. Yeah. But they do seem to be sincere that this actually does mean something to them. It's not entirely just about irritating their their political friends.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 12:32<br /> <br /> I mean, even in Yeah, so like, even in a basement alone, they're still Satanists. And you know, I bring up the Satanic Temple. By the way, for listeners who are interested, I have two episodes with the Satanic Temple one with [[Greg Stevens]], who is a spokesperson for the Temple to go through the Seven Tenets of the Satanic Temple and then two leaders from [[Gray Faction]] to talk about the Satanic Panic. So if you're interested, go check those out. But one thing that really interests me about the Satanic Temple is how they're entering into this kind of gray space with religion. And do you think that religion in America and this is my question, and this isn't from a listener? Do you think that religion in America in this current age is changing that the way religion looks and a fundamental level is shifting somehow, where you know, we've had kind of these monoliths of religion in America, Christianity, or Protestantism, Catholicism, so on and so forth. And you know, we can look at those and say, here are the pretty basic characteristics, they gather together in a particular place. They believe in a literal supernatural deity or dogmas, there's a central book, so on and so forth, central rituals, just all of this basic stuff, you know, and I'm sure that I'm way simplifying it, you know, I'm sure that it's more complex than what I'm portraying it as, but do you think that that's changing? Do you think that the fundamental makeup of what religion is in the way practitioners of religion do you think that it's changing in a fundamental way<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 14:02<br /> <br /> so JC Smith was a very famous scholar of religion he just died this year but he's he said that the default of what a religion is supposed to look like four Americans is Protestantism. Yeah. And the more something looks like a Protestant Church, the more likely we are to say yes, that's that's a real religion. And as evidence for this he's looking at a case from 1983 involving Santeria, right, which is a traditional Afro Caribbean religion from from Cuba. And this was about whether this town in Florida who did not like having this religion in it could pass a law banning animal sacrifice. And in the decision, the Supreme Court said, this is absolutely their constitutional right. You can't make a law blocking them from doing this as part of their religion, but in doing that they kind of frame Santeria as if it was a Protestant church and they talked about kind of this community comes together to share their values and so forth. and JC Smith said, this is kind of odd, because really what they're doing is they're offering, you know, chickens to the gods, right in exchange for blessings of the gods, and they're talking about it as if this was kind of like an Episcopalian gathering because the subtext if it's if it's not, if it's that different from Episcopalians, then how can we defend it legally? So I do think you're right, that we're moving a little bit away from that assumption that religion means you have a building that people go to once a week and you have hymnals and things like this. The other factor that we see is in demographics, when we survey Americans, more and more of them are saying, I have no religion. And people like Richard Dawkins have tried to claim these people as atheists. They're not atheist. These are people who might describe themselves as spiritual but<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 15:48<br /> <br /> who still read their horoscope or still, you know, have a Tarot reading, they still believe in a supernatural higher power,<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 15:55<br /> <br /> are they pray to God? Yeah, absolutely. And I think that this is especially big with with millennials. And interestingly, I think that this too, is a consequence of Protestantism. I think the idea that if you're really spiritual, you won't just go to a community and let them tell you what to do, you'll figure it out yourself, in a weird way dates back to kind of Martin Luther, his critiques of the traditions of the church that this was empty ritual, and that faith begins in the hearts. So there's a kind of irony there that I see the kind of spiritual but not religious trend to be at its core, a very Protestant orientation to the sacred,<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 16:33<br /> <br /> absolutely, you know, something that along those lines, something that I've been thinking about a lot, because I've been doing a lot of self examination, I consider myself a deeply religious person, I would at this point, call myself kind of a non theist, I'm a member of the Satanic Temple. But I'm also you know, deeply Christian, I don't think that that will ever go away. And I'm somehow in this weird place of being able to have both of those, you know, I go to an Episcopal Church, and I'm a member of the Satanic Temple. And then I teach yoga, and I'm kind of a Buddhist, and it was Buddhism that really got me through a lot of my very dark ruts. And my partner is a former Jesuit novice, and you know, we're kind of this weird conglomeration of stuff, and just looking at myself and noticing how I have this DIY approach to faith. And I think that that's kind of indicative of my generation as a whole. You know, I feel like millennials, we kind of have this Do It Yourself approach to religion and faith and spirituality, which really freaks out the old guard, you know, which really just terrifies or freaks out the more established mainline religions.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 17:42<br /> <br /> Yeah, there was a very famous book on the sociology of religion in America that came out in the 80s. And they met this woman named Sheila. And she said, Well, my religion is Sheila-ism, and Islam. And she's explained exactly that sort of thing that, you know, my parents are Quakers. And I love Taoism. And I love Native Americans. And at the time, that was pretty bizarre. And there was a lot of papers on Sheila-ism. And what does this mean? I think that, oh, you know, a significant percentage of the country are doing some form of Sheila-ism.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 18:14<br /> <br /> Yeah, absolutely. Well, and you know, when I'm honest, I have to admit that that's what I'm doing. I value religious identity. So very much I value my religious upbringing and identity and kind of these these guiding myths so much, I don't want to live without them. But at the same time, kind of the old, the structures that have been given to me aren't working for me, for whatever reason, I also have to accept science and empirical evidence and skepticism. And so I have to somehow wed all of those together. And I think I speak for a lot of my listeners when I say that the most of my audience is in this place of kind of this deconstruction of old Christian faith and finding this weird new amalgam of some, you know, this compromise of what we hold on to and what we let go. Moving on to another question, have new religious movements declined, because we don't seem to hear about them as much these days. And this is coming from Ben. And so you know, I think what Ben is referring to are like the big cults of the latter half of the 20th century, you know, Scientology Heaven's Gate Jones town, children of God, have cults kind of gone on the decline or underground.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 19:29<br /> <br /> I think that we're not seeing movements of the kind of scale that we did in the 70s. For all the kind of fuss about Scientology in the media lately. Conservative estimates are there's only about 20,000 Scientologists out there, and most of those are in Los Angeles. So we might not have Scientology in 50 years, or it might have changed into something totally different. Hare Krishna is better known as the International Society for Krishna Consciousness is still exists. I don't think they're as big as they were in the 70s Interesting They've began a project called Krishna west where they've said, you know, why do we have to have robes and ponytails? Why can't we look and dress and acts like Americans and still be about kind of the faith in Krishna. So that could be another change is that we're seeing these classic groups kind of reformatting themselves in ways that we don't notice them as much anymore. I think that there is some room for growth online, I think it's easier now to go online and kind of form a group that interacts with each other through the internet. But, you know, we know historically that most, most new religions don't last very long. It's pretty rare that a religion actually survives, you know, more than a century. If it does, it tends to be here to stay.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 20:43<br /> <br /> That's really interesting. Here's a question from Joe on Twitter. What do anti-vaxxers have in common with cults?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 20:50<br /> <br /> This is a that's a really, it's a really interesting question you were asking earlier, why are we so fascinated with cults? And you know, all my students are, you know, really interested in podcasts that cover cult violence, there's, there's, there's a podcast it's called Cults.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 21:07<br /> <br /> And it's a great podcast. Yeah, yeah. But this is a little bit inexplicable, right? Because in the 60s and 70s, you know, we had all these parents whose kids went off to college and joined a cult in the 90s, we had these incidents of cult violence, right Heaven's Gate, and Waco, and so forth. We don't really have anything like that right now. And yet, there's this fascination. My theory about why that might be is because we are culturally, so divided over things like vaccines and the authority of experts. We are kind of, you know, labeling each other's media as fake news. And really, it's fake news. And I think partly what is at stake with this kind of &quot;cults&quot; label is, these are people who look like me, talk like me, but they see the world in a completely different way. <br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 21:09<br /> <br /> Right. And it's a way of kind of getting your head around the fact that your neighbor could be sort of part of your culture, but thinks that Obama is secretly still president and Trump is about to, you know, is going to unleash this satanic pedophile ring that Hillary Clinton is part of. And you know, I mean, there's really wild stuff out there. Yeah. And I think that what we saw in things like American Horror Story is kind of setting these two things side by side, right and saying, What does this political division and political extremism have to do with with a religious extremism? So I guess that's kind of what I sense being at stake there. And the question is kind of how do you how do you explain people who have a totally different understanding of what's happening in the world and what's happening in their in their country?<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 22:41<br /> <br /> Yeah, it's almost like is, I think another example is flat Earth-ism. There's one example that drives me absolutely nuts, because everyone around me is just raving over it. Young Living and doTERRA essential oils, where they believe that and I don't know if you know about this or not, but they believe that, you know, pure essential oils can cure cancer, I had a friend put essential oils on my fucking cat to try to calm her down. And it's, it's almost this it is also weirdly a cult of personality, where Young Living, the founder is this charismatic charlatan and fucking everyone in this area is into it. And there seems to be now like this, this blurring of scientific integrity or scientific understanding of the world, or critical thinking of the world, at least that's how I see it. That's, that's what I'm perceiving. And so no essential oils can't cure cancer. No, not vaccinating your kids is not a good thing. No, you know, Hillary Clinton does not have a pedophile ring out of a pizza joint, or know that the Earth isn't flat, you know, these these weird blind spots these weird black holes within our reasoning? And is that somehow like, the new manifestation in our age of the same kind of stuff that created cults in the 70s? And 80s?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 24:09<br /> <br /> Yeah, so there was a book on legitimating new religious movements. If you start a new religion, how do you convince people that what you're saying is true? And one of them is revelation, right? saying, listen, God really talked to me, I'm, I'm for real. And if you're very charismatic person, you could persuade people of that, but another one was reason, right? I mean, groups like the Satanic Temple would fall into this, they would say, look, what we're proposing is reasonable. And so with that strategy, I think goes a kind of appropriation of the cultural authority of science, right, saying, you know, look, what we're doing is scientific. What mainstream scientists are doing is not really scientific, what we're doing is and so it's weirdly kind of promoting this alternative understanding of the world and it's, it's sold as being as being reasonable as being based on on science. And this isn't a new thing or really at all, if you go back to the church of Christian Science and the 1800s, yes, right. This was Mary Baker Eddy was saying faith healing is real. And it's not it's not supernatural, right? This isn't a sense something empirical. And of course, in her day, you are often better off trying faith healing than going to a doctor, because medicine was not nearly as as advanced. So So there's, you know, as strange as some of the things going on right now are there they're not really unprecedented.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 25:29<br /> <br /> For sure. Here's a question from Timothy, would you consider progressive Christianity a new religious movement? If so, how?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 25:37<br /> <br /> Yeah, I don't think it kind of bears the family resemblance to a lot of the groups that we study. This is again, the problem with the category, right? When people submit papers to the conference panel on new religious movements, or they submit proposals to the journal that I edit. We don't have like a list of topics that are okay. And a list of topics that are not so I mean, I would, I would argue Christianity began very progressive, right? Yes, absolutely. Like socialism is pretty progressive, I think in and of itself, that probably would not qualify. However, there have been various kind of experimental communities in progressive Christianity, that I think would more have that family resemblance to the other kinds of groups that we study groups that are sort of experimenting with creating kind of their own society and organizing themselves differently. There's a long history of these kinds of experimental communities in America. And of course, Jonestown began as a progressive Christian movement or Absolutely, Jonestown, before everything went bad. So I think it depends less on, are they progressive, but sort of, you know, how, what are they doing to kind of distinguish themselves as a as an organization from other kinds of Christian groups?<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 26:52<br /> <br /> Sure. So here's a question that I have, you know, kind of, as I've been reading about this subject, I'm fascinated with Heaven's Gate. I'm especially fascinated with like the alien religions. I think they're just so fascinating. I'm fascinated with, you know, Waco, and Jonestown and kind of all the big classic cults and out of the big cult scare in the 70s and 80s. There was this thing called deprogramming. And kind of the flip side of that is called Mind Control. And so you know, this idea that cults reprogram your mind and that it's, it's deeply powerful. And, you know, they use cult Mind Control techniques. And then you have people there's one individual, I can't remember his name, who was a professional deprogrammer, you know, we have these people who've made a career of either kidnapping people out of cults and deprogramming them, you know, and so on and so forth. But now, what I've heard lately is that this whole idea of cult programming and deprogramming is maybe not very accurate isn't true. And could you help me understand that some<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 28:01<br /> <br /> So this was a big part of the cult wars, right was this idea of of brainwashing? The idea of brainwashing begins in the Korean War. So it was originally an idea coming out of the intelligence community, American POWs in that were captured in North Korea would occasionally be videotaped, you know, giving speeches about how communism is good, and they don't want to go back to America because Americans are evil. And in 1950, a journalist with ties to the CIA published or wrote a newspaper article with this term brainwashing. So that was the first time we had seen the word. And what he basically implied was, there is a kind of secret that has an ancient history in Asia, of controlling people's minds, and getting them to think the way that you want them to think. And the term brainwashing was a loose translation of a term that actually comes from Confucianism, and a more accurate term might be cleansing the heart. So there is some truth to this, we know that in these POW camps, they would do things like tell people, if you write an essay about why communism is good, we'll move you to a larger cell, right. And so those kinds of tactics, especially if you have complete control over everything that somebody does, because it's like a POW camp sometimes really can shift your attitude. Some people if they write enough essays about something will begin to believe what they are writing. But this was also a kind of a way for the intelligence community to explain why Americans would ever say such things. And so it was began as something in espionage. And so this famous movie and novel The Manchurian Candidate, introduced this concept to Americans. And then it was a decade later that these new religious movements come in. And so it shifts from being something that foreign governments do to something that weird religions supposedly do. And an interesting transition in this I think, is the Mel Brooks sitcom get smart. And so there's they did an episode with a character called the groovy guru who was both a kind of a new religious leader who was recruiting hippies, but also secretly was a spy who worked for the bad guys. And not long after that episode came out, you get this kind of explanation of well, why did my son drop out of college and join the Hare Krishnas, it must be all the chanting that they do is this secret form of mind control. And so this this person, Ted Patrick, that you named, was hired by a woman to basically get her kids back from a group called the Children of God. And Ted Patrick concluded this is brainwashing this is what they were talking about with the Koreans. And the only way to reverse it is to forcibly abduct people from these religious groups, and then brainwash them again, to sort of back how they were. And they would use the exact same techniques. So you might have forcibly dragged somebody away from, say, a Harry Krishna ashram, take them to a hotel room tied into a chair, and say, you know, spit on this picture of Krishna. And I'll untie you, right or say, say you don't like Hare Krishna, and I'll give you some some water. And so it's, it's every bit as bad. And so this led to all kinds of legal cases, because if these groups were practicing religion, and people were choosing this as their religion, it's constitutionally protected. If however, this is actually some kind of psychological warfare, then these people did not choose a religion, they are sort of medically damaged, and have to be fixed. And so these court cases would have people like Margaret Singer come in and say these religions brainwash people, and then the other side would say, just Coca Cola brainwash you, right? When they make you die. He would have to say, yes, right, right. That's also a form of coercion. So the brainwashing debate has kind of broken down. And I think where we can kind of agree is, of course, religious groups have sophisticated techniques to persuade you that their religion is correct. It doesn't seem like in most cases, they can actually kind of do something like The Manchurian Candidate, where they sort of turn someone into a zombie, what it seems like they're more capable of doing is kind of giving you really good incentives to stay in a group right? So to not leave, and that could be things like, you know, in Jonestown, Jim Jones literally had your passport and all your money. Right? Exactly. Just can't leave unless you're very, very motivated. Or the Jehovah's Witnesses will disfellowship people if they leave, right we can't associate with you anymore. So that's an incentive to to stay in the- in the church. You know, talking about this, my students, I say, my my gym makes me sign a two year contract. If I want to quit the gym before the time's up, I can't. So they've given me this incentive not to leave even if I want to leave is that brainwashing? I mean, it seems to be of a peace with the kinds of things that that we call brainwashing. I think that this is actually much more kind of common sense and sort of easy to see than we originally imagined it as being something kind of mystical coming out of Asia and able to literally control people.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 33:01<br /> <br /> And it's much more ubiquitous. I mean, these are ploys that businesses use and families use to good and bad effect.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 33:07<br /> <br /> Yeah. And my students are kind of trying to brainwash me when they want, you know, an extension on a paper. I'm a whole repertoire of tactics that they employ.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 33:18<br /> <br /> So here is a question from Baca. Is there anything that makes sense to him? Him being you? Is there anything that makes sense to you about what cult leaders have to say? Have you ever thought, well, they've got a point, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 33:33<br /> <br /> This is quite common, right? That the kinds of people who become new religious movements, scholars tend to be very sympathetic to these groups tend to be very, they often tend to have a kind of bully complex. They don't like seeing people who are different being kind of picked on. And so there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of people going out and doing ethnography with these groups and deciding that they want to join, and often they don't join, but often they're sort of on the verge of it. And this is partly just kind of human nature, right. When I was doing research for my book on this group of apocalyptic Catholics out in New York, I didn't share any of their values. They were very homophobic and very conservative, but they were human beings, right. And after sort of working with them and accepting hospitality from them for three weeks, I thought these are kind of nice people even though I don't agree with their kind of politics or values at all. I guess the other thing I would talk about it there's a concept from theology, which I find really helpful called spiritual regrets, which is an attempt to describe looking at another religion and understanding it and thinking how that could actually be a really beautiful way to see the world but it's not your way. It's, it's somebody else's. So kind of this was you know, a theologian saying when I look at Buddhists meditating, and kind of think about the peace, the experience with music, that sounds really great, but I don't see the world the way a Buddhist Does because I believe in God. And I believe I have a soul created by God. And I believe in reincarnation and so forth. I feel that way a little bit with the Satanic Temple, this kind of sense of spiritual regrets, I kind of admire how some of their leaders have this ability to see something that they think is unfair and wrong, and just kind of embrace the kind of righteous indignation that comes with that. And I really admire that. On the other hand, you know, I looked at a script for a Black Mass that they performed, and I was like, I don't think I could do this.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 35:32<br /> <br /> What is what is your spiritual tradition? If you have one?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 35:37<br /> <br /> Yeah, so my wife and I are kind of culturally Catholic. And we got married in the Catholic Church, which was no small feat. There's a lot of classes and a paperwork and things like this. And my, my wife also studies Tibetan Buddhism. So if you look at our house, there's a lot of Buddhist art and things like this, that are up in the house. But Catholicism is our core tradition. And it has a lot more to do with kind of this is our tradition. This is our heritage. Yeah. And it's something that's important that we don't want to, to lose. Even if, you know, I get annoyed with something that say a Catholic Leader might might say, absolutely. I still stick with it.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 36:21<br /> <br /> Cool. Very cool. Here's another question from Becca on Twitter. Is there anything about the cult phenomenon that is distinctly American?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 36:29<br /> <br /> Yeah, that's, that's really interesting. You know, to answer that question fairly, I think we would have to do some kind of comparison between America and some other culture. I have heard claims before that Americans are sort of more drawn to messianic leaders or sort of more drawn to millennial movements. If there's any truth to that, I think there's a couple of things to think about. One is that we get this emphasis on the apocalypse and kind of our role in it from our Puritan forebears, right, that sort of the Puritans imagine America as a city on a hill that would have this important role in bringing about the end of the world and the return of Jesus. And JFK, you know, hearken back to that in his speeches, right? We are sitting on a hill we are that we have this great destiny. I think in new religious movements like Mormonism, that's very much at stake that America is a place where these holy events happens. The other thing I would think about is another country that's known for new religious movements is Japan when the Allies basically took over Japan after World War Two, we drafted a new constitution for them guaranteeing religious freedom, which which hadn't been there before. And there was this explosion of new religious movements. And so there may be a connection between kind of enshrining ideas of religious freedom and kind of personal autonomy to choose your religion in in our laws. And the the impulse to go ahead and create new religious organizations and groups. But there's new religious movements all over right all over Europe, all over Africa all over. There's even new religious movements in China, even though the government is quite afraid of them and has done a lot to kind of suppress them. So it is It is human nature, it can't be It can't be stopped by by governments or culture.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 38:14<br /> <br /> So that leads me to my next question. This is from the podcaster Out of Eden. For listeners who don't know he's a fantastic podcaster, who explores post-evangelical Christianity, Sam from out of Eden asks, Is there a reason why the brain or individual people can ignore cultish behavior within religions deemed socially normal?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 38:35<br /> <br /> Interesting. So in kind of the history of the study of religious movements initially, there was a theory that there was a cult type, that there was a particular personality type that joined cults or was susceptible to cult indoctrination. And there were some kind of psychological studies with people who had joined these groups to try to see if they had something in common; that research falls more into the sphere of psychology. And I think now it is the the theory has kind of shifted to well, it has less to do with what kind of person you are, and more to do with sort of what's happening in your life at that particular moment. Right? Are you having you know, if, if you've just lost your job and your house is burned down and your partner has left you and someone says, &quot;Do you want to do you want to join my church?&quot; You might be more likely to say &quot;yes&quot;, right then if everything is going very well, having said that, I mean, there's definitely personality types, and one person that I work with at Novo Religio is Rebecca Moore, who is a professor and runs a site on Jonestown. And two of Rebecca's sisters, her older sister, and her younger sister became very involved in the People's Temple and died there in Guyana. And Rebecca was asked to join and she said, &quot;Now, I have no interest in this&quot;. And the reason she cited was she said, &quot;You guys keep talking about racial justice and all of the upper leaders of this organization are white. I think you guys are full of it.&quot; So it's very interesting to have you know, three sisters who have the same family, they grew up in the same church that emphasized social justice. And two of them thought the People's Temple was the greatest thing ever. And one of them thought, absolutely not. I don't want anything to do with this. So I, you know, how do we explain that other than just sort of, you know, different personalities?<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 40:16<br /> <br /> That's really interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 40:18<br /> <br /> I highly endorse Rebecca Moore's website. By the way, if anyone interested in Jonestown, it's a really great archive and really pushes back against the sensationalism to kind of think about the people who really were there and kind of why they made the choices that they did. What's the name of that website? Oh, gosh, I think it's, I think it's just called the Jonestown project. Okay. Well, it's through San Diego State.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 40:41<br /> <br /> Okay, awesome. Well, I will research that and put that in the show notes for listeners. Here's a question from someone whose name on Twitter really worries me. Heartbroken Dad asks, what is it in our nature that makes humans believe and therefore expect that a higher power or deity is necessary for their fulfillment? This is a big one. This isn't- this might be above your paygrade?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 41:04<br /> <br /> I mean, this sounds like a fairly loaded question. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 41:07<br /> <br /> it really does it Heartbroken Dad seems like he, he's asking a lot here.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 41:12<br /> <br /> Right. So somebody like CS Lewis would say, that's because we were created by God. And he put in us this desire to know him. Um, on the other end of the spectrum, somebody like, you know, Sigmund Freud would say this is because, you know, we feel guilty about subliminally wanting to kill our dad. And so we made this kind of sky dad to take his place. You know, my, my theoretical framework for these things tends to come from sociology. And one thing that I believe is that human beings need some kind of created order to think about their lives, right? That we need a language we need a structure for reality that is not inherently there. Animals don't need this, right? Animals can just sort of be turned loose on the world, and they're happy human beings need to create an order. I was reading recently about Helen Keller and Helen Keller having a moment where she realizes everything in the world has a name, that there's a word for everything. And so, you know, we don't- we're not comfortable saying, well, the order of the worlds, right people wear pants, we eat pigs, but we don't eat monkeys. You know, we pet dogs, we don't pet cockroaches, we don't want this to be arbitrary, because we can imagine it being a different way. And so one of the ways to create that sense of psychological security that we need to function in the world is the idea of, well, there's a transcendent order, this is the will of God, this is the will of heaven, that things be this way. And even very, very rationalist people will still have to concede that sometimes we just agree to things out of convenience, we don't really have a rational reason Absolutely. For doing it right. No one decides what language they're going to learn as a baby, right? You just learn from your parents. And then if you want to learn a second language after that, you can but no one in the womb is saying, Well, you know this many people speak English. And this many people speak Mandarin. Maybe I should learn to label things this way we get that from our- from our culture.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 43:04<br /> <br /> Fascinating. You know, what that reminds me of is a biblical scholar who I really love named James Brownson, who's done a lot of work on sexuality and homosexuality within within the church creating a theological framework for accepting homosexuality. And one of the things that he talks about is how much of Levitical law is exactly that, you know, Levitical law is exactly this appeal to divine authority to keep these cultural frameworks in place, and you know, these divisions between clean and unclean, and that animals that that transgress the boundaries laid out in creation, between land and sky, between water and earth, that those things that violate those fundamental boundaries, including male and female, are considered unclean. It's just very, very fascinating. So here's a question from Ruth, on Twitter, what warning signs can we watch for I'm assuming she's speaking for in regards to destructive cults. What warning signs can we watch for particularly in the digital age, most of what I've read on warning signs is decades old. And what's a warning sign people are unlikely to recognize<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 44:12<br /> <br /> there is what's called the anti cult movements. And this is a an organization that still exists today. But it really has its roots in the Cold War's the 1970s. And that's why you can go online and you can find these lists of sort of warnings that your child's in a cult to that your churches in a cult, and they are mostly from the 80s.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 44:29<br /> <br /> What, like websites like cult education, stuff like that?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 44:33<br /> <br /> Yeah, absolutely. watch.org There's a guy named Rick Ross, who has a really big website. Yeah, I would really caution people to take all that with a grain of salt. Often these are people who are sort of trying to make a career for themselves as this kind of authority who can detect cults and save people from cults and so forth. And it's kind of their, their, their livelihood. I don't do that work, right. I don't do the work of sort of extracting people from religious groups. or advising them what religion they should join or what they shouldn't. I think, you know, my advice would just be to use common sense, right? If if you have a loved one who is cutting off their ties with everybody, is making poor financial decisions, if you know that they're being physically abused or something like that. I mean, if that strikes you as something dangerous that's going on, and it's dangerous, right? Your instincts are probably correct. On the other hand, if it's something like everybody in my church believes that the leader is really wise, well, that might be okay. Right, that might not necessarily in itself be some kind of destructive authoritarianism, but I guess more harm can be done by sort of rushing to label groups as being destructive and dangerous. My colleague, Kathy Wessinger wrote a book on violence in new religious movements, looking at groups like Waco and Jonestown and said, basically, you know, we should never just assume that a group is going to be violent. And we should also never give a group a clean bill of health and say, we check this out and nothing bad will, will happen. So our our ability to kind of predict is not that great. And that's a little bit what annoys me about the anti cult movement is that they act like we have this great ability to diagnose and predict that we actually have a pretty bad track record on<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 46:17<br /> <br /> Yeah, like, for example, wasn't Heaven's Gate considered, like a benevolent cult, like a benign cult by a lot of people, and then it suddenly ended in mass suicide.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 46:27<br /> <br /> Yeah, Heaven's Gate is an unusual case, but certainly they never meant any harm to anybody else. They never threatened anybody else. They never had weapons there, you had two leaders there. And they believed initially that the spaceship was going to come and was going to kind of take them to the level above human is what they called it. And they had two leaders, and one of them died. And this was a theological crisis for the group because I said, we're all gonna get on the spaceship together. How can we do this? If one of us is dead? So there was this gradual shift towards well, maybe we don't go on the spaceship physically in our bodies, right? Maybe we have to die first. And also the group was ageing and running out of resources and things like this. And it just sort of happened. I mean, I mentioned earlier in the interview that religious groups die out all the time. And and sometimes when you see issues of suicide or violence, it's they know that they're there, their group is ending and they get to sort of choose what ending they want, right? I think that was at stake it at Jonestown, as well. I also just want to emphasize things like Jonestown and Heaven's Gate and Waco are actually incredibly rare.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 47:34<br /> <br /> Oh, absolutely. That's why we all know about them.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 47:36<br /> <br /> But but the number of groups that actually have something like that happen is astronomically rare.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 47:42<br /> <br /> Well, and that's why that's why there's such cultural touchstones, you know, if, if that happened all the time, they wouldn't be these iconic American moments, you know what I mean?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 47:53<br /> <br /> But- but, there is a kind of cultural stereotype that this is just what cults do, right? That their sort of raison d'etre is to commit mass suicide. And I see this in shows like Family Guy where they're issuing punch, and the leader says, haven't any of you been in a cult before? Right. So my students especially I want to emphasize this is really rare. And there's always a kind of special set of circumstances that takes a group to down this this path.<br /> <br /> ===Stephen has a premonition about religious groups===<br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 48:16<br /> <br /> So I think this is a really helpful corrective for some of what I've been doing on the show where Matt and I met one of my co hosts, we have, you know, read through those lists, I've had other people come on and talk about those kinds of lists of cult behavior put out by the anti-cult movement, and kind of just the thing that I have that I'm hearing and that I have been realizing is that potential destructive behavior is everywhere, you know, we kind of swim in the constant potential for destructive behavior, be it in a church or a business or a friendship or whatever, you know, in so it isn't limited to these fringe groups. It's something that is likely anywhere, and we just need to constantly be open to the possibility of things going south that human nature can be authoritarian, regardless of where it is. Here's one last question. And it kind of ties into the very last thing that you said, can a cult ever be healthy and not harmful? What would that look like?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 49:20<br /> <br /> Yeah, I mean, the paradox is that just the way that we use these terms in popular discourse, if we think a group is healthy, and we like them, we call them a religion. All right, we don't call them cults. You know, I think one example of a group like this that's gained acceptance would be the Amish right on paper. The Amish have all the hallmarks of a cult there is a Patriarch who decides all the rules for the community. They are isolated. The Supreme Court ruled that the Amish do not have to send their children to public schools past a certain age because they have a religious right to keep people within their own community but we kind of inexplicably love the Amish in America. They've been kind of described as America's conscience or something like this. There's something charming about them. And maybe that's because they have this kind of pedigree, we don't think of them as something new. We think of them as something from the old world, right? That is that is charming. There is a scholar named David Felt May[ed:?]. And he has argued for thinking about new religious movements less as social problems that we have to fix, or contain, and thinking about them more as kind of experiments and different ways of organizing society and seeing if there's anything useful about them. And one example of this is Jonestown, you know, he says, if you look at all the good that Jonestown accomplished, before the leader sort of made this, this terrible decision, but they were, they were taking people from the most dangerous, poverty stricken neighborhoods of Oakland and Los Angeles, and they were housing them, and they were feeding and housing everybody for something like, you know, $120 a month per person. And so David and David felt me it was not, it's not suggesting that we all move to Guyana, and you know, pool our resources, but he says, you know, this is interesting, what if you had a community where everybody kind of pooled their resources and you did your shopping at Costco to save money? Could you actually make a better life for the poor in America, because more and more Americans are becoming poor? And we don't think about that all we think about is they drank this poisonous Flavor-Aid. So there is without ever apologizing for someone like Jim Jones, I think that there is a potential source of ideas and experiments that could be mined, and maybe something useful could be found.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 51:32<br /> <br /> Absolutely. So I have one last question, and then I'll let you go. This is something that I have been thinking about quite a bit online discourse seems to be online and offline discourse seems to be polarized into these two categories. One side is the skeptical atheist community, which is very anti religion and anti cult. And they they tend to be on this campaign against any kind of irrationality and religion and cults. You see this a lot in the responses to like Scientology. I feel like Scientology is a centerpiece of this and I feel like figureheads of this, you know, for lack of a better term, the new religious movement or the new- the new atheist movement figures like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris. I'm just curious what your assessment of that rationalist counter reaction to things like cults and religions what- what do you agree with? And what do you not agree with?<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 52:32<br /> Well, you know, what I tell my students, I encourage critical thinking, I encourage them to think about the data for themselves and to some extent that entails letting go right? If I really want my students to make their own conclusions, they're going to make different conclusions whether they are an evangelical Christian or or an atheist, but what I am intolerant of in my classroom is smugness,<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 52:54<br /> <br /> Yes. Oh, god, thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 52:57<br /> <br /> Yeah, me it's smugness, right? It's not that people have beliefs that they you know, if I'm a Christian, who says, Look, I believe Jesus Christ is my Savior. I don't have to offer a rational explanation for that. It's fine, right? Yeah, if I have a student who says all of the religions that we've studied in this class are highly implausible and don't have any real evidence, that's fine too; what I can't stand is when there is this kind of certainty that everyone who disagrees with them is stupid, and doesn't have to be taken seriously. And that's what I sometimes find myself pushing back against when I'm looking at writing assignments from students is kind of take a step back, try to put yourself in somebody else's shoes, and have a little bit of empathy for someone that you that you don't agree with. And that's what maybe we're losing in the online discourse.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 53:43<br /> <br /> Yeah, I agree. You know, listening to a lot of the New Atheists, what I hear is a profound lack of empathy, and kind of a lack of self awareness of well, what if this was you, in this situation in this idea that rationality is just taken for granted that it is a fundamental aspect of human nature? And I don't think it is, you know, I think that we are primarily irrational, secondarily rational creatures, and that's beautiful. That's a good thing. It means that we can all look at the same thing and come away with completely different interpretations. It's what makes humanity interesting. It leads to beautiful things like art and religion and spirituality, and then it leads to horrible, destructive things like propaganda and religion and spirituality. And the empathy within a lot of the atheist community towards religious people. And honestly, I think that kept me a fundamentalist for a very long time. I sometimes feel like there's this draconian deal that the atheist community offers where they say, here are all the riches of science, but in order to accept it, you must let go of your beloved religious community. Most of us just can't- we don't have the ability to accept that deal. And so I feel like I remained in fundamentalist Christianity far longer than I ever need, had to because of that. But I was just- I was just interested to hear your perspective on that.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 55:04<br /> <br /> Yeah, you know, and these psychologists have in the brainwashing debates and one of the tactics cults use is milieu control, which milieu control is just basically you don't leave the cult, you don't talk to people born in the cult, you don't read things that aren't called teachings. And this is a way of brainwashing. And of course, this theory is adapted from studying prisoners of war with Facebook, we're kind of all prisoners of war, right? We've we've done milieu control to ourselves. Absolutely. Someone who disagrees with us about anything important. And so we are in a sense brainwashing ourselves to the extent that brainwashing is really a thing.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 55:40<br /> <br /> That's a great insight. And I think that's a great note to end on. Well, Joseph, thank you so much for joining me again, on the show. Listeners, I'm sure will really enjoy this. I love talking to you. It's always really interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Joseph Laycock:''' 55:50<br /> <br /> Well, thanks again for having me. It's always fun to chat. Yeah, for sure.<br /> <br /> '''Stephen Bradford Long :''' 55:53<br /> <br /> Well, that's our show. For those of you who want to support my show, please go to stephenbradfordlong where you can read my dozens of articles on faith and doubt and spirituality and religion and mental health and LGBT issues. 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Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17117 2024-05-26T16:58:49Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> ===Intro===<br /> '''Lilin:''' Welcome, dear listeners, to Satanists Next Door. We're your hosts, Lilin Lavin-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' and Tommy Lavin.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives: leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> <br /> [1:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have '''[[Doug Misicko|Lucien]]'''. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''[[Doug_Misicko|Doug]] [ [[Lucien Greaves]] ]:''' Hey. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' So-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> ===Lilin describes reporting gossip on Slack to Executive Ministry===<br /> [1:51]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, ['''Tommy:''' bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Untasteful.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the Minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> '''Lilin:''' Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> ===Doug describes firing a Minister for spreading memes about him===<br /> [10:34]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of Ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so I emailed the primary Minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as Ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So I sent out a letter to this Minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the ''real'' problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you should ''leave'' the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the Minister ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. <br /> <br /> === Doug discusses SatanCon: and the &quot;tyranny&quot; of not being able to control &quot;the public message&quot; ===<br /> [17:53]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> ===Doug rants about an Anti-Blue Lives Matter protest that took place at SatanCon 2023===<br /> [20:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. ['''Tommy:''' yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. ['''Tommy:''' Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> <br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> === Doug discusses being pictured at TST HQ with David Silverman and people &quot;trying to have me cancelled&quot; ===<br /> [22:53]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But Ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think, on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> === Doug complains about Ministers' &quot;open disrespect&quot; for Executive Ministry ===<br /> [23:57]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. ['''Tommy:''' ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> === Doug claims he would like to step down, but nobody else could handle his job ===<br /> [25:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> === Doug claims being &quot;pushed out&quot; for &quot;polarized politics&quot; is &quot;not becoming of ministerial conduct&quot; ===<br /> [26:30]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''more sympathetic noises'']<br /> <br /> === Doug claims that enforcing his ideas of ideological purity is &quot;not fascistic&quot; ===<br /> [28:24]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant ['''Tommy:''' ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. ['''Tommy:''' ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. ['''Lilin:''' Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanists fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. ['''Tommy:''' Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? ['''Lilin:''' Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that Minister, and since, of course, a group of Ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> === Doug claims that his &quot;general silence&quot; gives his detractors the &quot;sense of security&quot; that &quot;the record will never be set straight&quot; ===<br /> [30:45]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> ===Doug discusses events surrounding the removal of Head of Ministry Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]===<br /> [32:15]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] had stepped down at the- first of this month [was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a Minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a Minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:'''And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, ['''Lilin:''' Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. ['''Tommy:'''Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; ['''Tommy:''' ''chuckling''] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]]. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a &quot;lack of introspection&quot; among his critics===<br /> [37:54]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house.<br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to be a stoic, but he's &quot;taken so much abuse&quot; and people &quot;don't realize I'm actually a person&quot;===<br /> [39:03]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that case with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> ===Tommy argues that if you don't like the organization then you should leave rather than advocate for change===<br /> [40:48]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the Minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> ===Doug explicitly states that he owns TST [and implies that if members don't like it, they should leave]===<br /> [42:36]<br /> <br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know? Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> '''Doug (talking over him):''' That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that Ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> ===Doug denies that TST is a cult===<br /> [44:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Right. I heard that said a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:'''This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, ''not'' ownership. They were given freedom. ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' They- They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form- ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.] -of religious organization that you disagree with. <br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> ''[editor's note: a formal definition of cult warning signs from the Cult Education Institute can be found at &lt;ref&gt;[https://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html CultEducation.com], Cult Education Institute: Warning Signs of a Cult&lt;/ref&gt;]''<br /> ===The panel discuss whether volunteers should try to steer the organisation (spoiler: no)===<br /> [44:46]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin, sarcastically:''' Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> <br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers deserve more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. ['''Tommy:'''Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. ['''Tommy:''' Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you ''not'' identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, ['''Tommy:''' Leave.] [''forcefully''] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And- I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away- (more than once, obviously, now) to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team &quot;on our own&quot;. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> === Tommy argues that Lilin should receive more &quot;compassion and empathy&quot; for snitching to management ===<br /> [48:18]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Well, and you- you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get-out-of-jail-free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy? And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the right thing? They saw something wrong was- was going on. They saw that something was being planned, that was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention that they should have, you know, they did- is- is- does compassion and empathy go out the window when people are doing something wrong because it's your buddy? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing something wrong because it's just because it's your buddy? Oh, well, I would have said something about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that and pretend that it's not happening. That was, like, infuriating to me. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yeah. So, you know, to those people who were left in the lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in the hopes that ''they'll'' actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things and understand why and maybe even express some remorse. Or some- some kind of acknowledgement that there was necessity for these moves. And, and- that didn't happen. And I was really- there were a few people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people, they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Or that they disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this, you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators...<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of respect for &quot;the dignity of the religion&quot;===<br /> [50:36]<br /> <br /> '''Doug [interrupting]''': Ministers, too! Imagine we saw a group of Catholic ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. [''Tommy laughs''] People would have screen shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this foul culture of theirs. And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're going around with the title of Minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely lost the plot then. It's- you know, it's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either, I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think ministerial work should be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Absolutely.<br /> <br /> [51:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> <br /> [52:15]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before the whole, the room thing happened, you know, and Lilin can have the screenshots. This was while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it was basically the same thing. If you are ''that'' unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, '''go''', you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules and you can talk bad about whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just unta- it's distasteful. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation of that which you- you purport to care so much about? <br /> <br /> [53:21]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, and the rot seems so severe too, when, like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where I do feel forced to talk to the- about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering, why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why; they just decided not to tell you. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep.<br /> <br /> ===Doug suggests all removed Ministers &quot;were never qualified for the job to begin with&quot;===<br /> [53:48]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Like, the massive downloads of the documents were real. People feel entitled to steal from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with, no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information? Like, nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information, while protecting ours? That's just what an organization is ''obligated'' to do. And for people to feel entitled to start downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly, screenshots of chats where people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever, to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about, you know, I just got a wild hare up my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove I'm- prove I'm the man or something like that.<br /> <br /> [55:04]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lilin went public with, with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim, you know, [''mocking voice''] &quot;oh, I got, I got removed&quot;. &quot;I don't know what- they're just going crazy&quot;. &quot;They don't know- they're- they're paranoid&quot;. &quot;They don't know what they're doing&quot;. They're- you know, &quot;you might be next&quot;, you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every- again, I kind of went back to- look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines a bad light on you or your buddy. Then all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore, you know. But I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they, it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lilin, but it would be very possible if these people weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have shared the whole story. You know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble, they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, &quot;oh, I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next.&quot; I mean, they'd have security walk me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, &quot;no, you can't do that&quot;.<br /> <br /> ===Doug complains about being abused, and that his abusers &quot;play victim&quot;===<br /> [56:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you need to engage in self-defense ['''Tommy:''' Yes!] and then they immediately play victim.<br /> <br /> ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep, yep, yep.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing, because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and as we have often brought up the invocation: &quot;That, which can be destroyed by truth, should never be spared it's demise&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Exactly<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And so here you are, you guys have the truth. <br /> <br /> ===Doug &quot;ends on a positive note&quot; by claiming all vacant posts will be filled and that everyone else &quot;can stay or they can leave&quot;===<br /> [57:18]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, I would, I would like to end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative role, every- every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and-, uh- and timely and keep things operational and on schedule. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else, they can stay or they can leave. And we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know- the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do. Whether we're doing it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I think we're also going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. But we ''are'' going to have a different internal culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' I hope so. I really do because, you know, it is the one thing...<br /> <br /> ===Doug promises &quot;a new internal culture&quot;===<br /> [58:24]<br /> <br /> '''Doug [interrupting]:''' I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody. Like my promise is: we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying. And they- it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was the SOC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we verse each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're- we're supposed to be fighting the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other, you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us, you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in, in November. ['''Lilin:''' Yep.] You know, I mean, that is the biggest threat. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Oh, and that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect, but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the threat is passed. ['''Tommy:''' Oh no]. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims, &quot;for those who think they're going to hold their departure over our heads [...] I'm not bluffing&quot;===<br /> [1:00:10]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And one last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here and you've expressed support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to yet, that's because we have gotten so ''many'' of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this on file and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said and the emails that I'm getting, I guarantee you I'm not- I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems- willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd of people who have been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I think on that note...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''laughs'']...on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and yeah, again, any questions that people have; comments, you know, letters of support. Fuck, send us letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts are-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And Lucien, is there anywhere specific people should be reaching out if they want to be involved, if they ''want'' to reach out to help? <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' You know what, let me determine what the best address is for that and you can put it in the, uh, in the description. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' All right. Well, you know to look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that we're all up against.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Thank you for your time today Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Great, thank you so much.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Hail Satan, good n-[''cut-off by music'']<br /> <br /> == References==</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17116 2024-05-26T16:33:18Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> ===Intro===<br /> '''Lilin:''' Welcome, dear listeners, to Satanists Next Door. We're your hosts, Lilin Lavin-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' and Tommy Lavin.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives: leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have [[Lucien Greaves | Lucien]. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug [ [[Lucien Greaves]] ]:''' Hey. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' So-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> ===Lilin describes reporting gossip on Slack to Executive Ministry===<br /> [1:51]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, ['''Tommy:''' bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Untasteful.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the Minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> '''Lilin:''' Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> ===Doug describes firing a Minister for spreading memes about him===<br /> [10:34]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of Ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so I emailed the primary Minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as Ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So I sent out a letter to this Minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the ''real'' problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you should ''leave'' the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the Minister ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. <br /> <br /> === Doug discusses SatanCon: and the &quot;tyranny&quot; of not being able to control &quot;the public message&quot; ===<br /> [17:53]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> ===Doug rants about an Anti-Blue Lives Matter protest that took place at SatanCon 2023===<br /> [20:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. ['''Tommy:''' yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. ['''Tommy:''' Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> <br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> === Doug discusses being pictured at TST HQ with David Silverman and people &quot;trying to have me cancelled&quot; ===<br /> [22:53]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But Ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think, on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> === Doug complains about Ministers' &quot;open disrespect&quot; for Executive Ministry ===<br /> [23:57]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. ['''Tommy:''' ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> === Doug claims he would like to step down, but nobody else could handle his job ===<br /> [25:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''more sympathetic noises'']<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant ['''Tommy:''' ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. ['''Tommy:''' ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. ['''Lilin:''' Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. ['''Tommy:''' Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? ['''Lilin:''' Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that Minister, and since, of course, a group of Ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> ===Doug discusses events surrounding the removal of Head of Ministry Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]===<br /> [32:15]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a Minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a Minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:'''And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, ['''Lilin:''' Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. ['''Tommy:'''Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; ['''Tommy:''' ''chuckling''] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]]. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a &quot;lack of introspection&quot; among his critics===<br /> [37:54]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house.<br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to be a stoic, but he's &quot;taken so much abuse&quot; and people &quot;don't realize I'm actually a person&quot;===<br /> [39:03]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that case with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> ===Tommy argues that if you don't like the organization then you should leave rather than advocate for change===<br /> [40:48]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the Minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> ===Doug explicitly states that he owns TST and members should toe the line===<br /> [42:36]<br /> <br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know? Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> '''Doug (talking over him):''' That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that Ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> ===Doug denies that TST is a cult===<br /> [44:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Right. I heard that said a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:'''This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, ''not'' ownership. They were given freedom. ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' They- They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form- ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.] -of religious organization that you disagree with. <br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> ''[editor's note: a formal definition of cult warning signs from the Cult Education Institute can be found at &lt;ref&gt;[https://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html CultEducation.com], Cult Education Institute: Warning Signs of a Cult&lt;/ref&gt;]''<br /> ===The panel discuss whether volunteers should try to steer the organisation (spoiler: no)===<br /> [44:46]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin, sarcastically:''' Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> <br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers deserve more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. ['''Tommy:'''Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. ['''Tommy:''' Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you ''not'' identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, ['''Tommy:''' Leave.] [''forcefully''] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And- I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away- (more than once, obviously, now) to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team &quot;on our own&quot;. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> === Tommy argues that Lilin should receive more &quot;compassion and empathy&quot; for snitching to management ===<br /> [48:18]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Well, and you- you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get-out-of-jail-free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy? And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the right thing? They saw something wrong was- was going on. They saw that something was being planned, that was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention that they should have, you know, they did- is- is- does compassion and empathy go out the window when people are doing something wrong because it's your buddy? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing something wrong because it's just because it's your buddy? Oh, well, I would have said something about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that and pretend that it's not happening. That was, like, infuriating to me. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yeah. So, you know, to those people who were left in the lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in the hopes that ''they'll'' actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things and understand why and maybe even express some remorse. Or some- some kind of acknowledgement that there was necessity for these moves. And, and- that didn't happen. And I was really- there were a few people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people, they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Or that they disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this, you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators...<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of respect for &quot;the dignity of the religion&quot;===<br /> [50:36]<br /> <br /> '''Doug [interrupting]''': Ministers, too! Imagine we saw a group of Catholic ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. [''Tommy laughs''] People would have screen shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this foul culture of theirs. And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're going around with the title of Minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely lost the plot then. It's- you know, it's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either, I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think ministerial work should be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Absolutely.<br /> <br /> [51:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> <br /> [52:15]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before the whole, the room thing happened, you know, and Lilin can have the screenshots. This was while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it was basically the same thing. If you are ''that'' unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, '''go''', you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules and you can talk bad about whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just unta- it's distasteful. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation of that which you- you purport to care so much about? <br /> <br /> [53:21]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, and the rot seems so severe too, when, like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where I do feel forced to talk to the- about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering, why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why; they just decided not to tell you. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep.<br /> <br /> ===Doug suggests all removed Ministers &quot;were never qualified for the job to begin with&quot;===<br /> [53:48]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Like, the massive downloads of the documents were real. People feel entitled to steal from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with, no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information? Like, nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information, while protecting ours? That's just what an organization is ''obligated'' to do. And for people to feel entitled to start downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly, screenshots of chats where people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever, to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about, you know, I just got a wild hare up my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove I'm- prove I'm the man or something like that.<br /> <br /> [55:04]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lilin went public with, with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim, you know, [''mocking voice''] &quot;oh, I got, I got removed&quot;. &quot;I don't know what- they're just going crazy&quot;. &quot;They don't know- they're- they're paranoid&quot;. &quot;They don't know what they're doing&quot;. They're- you know, &quot;you might be next&quot;, you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every- again, I kind of went back to- look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines a bad light on you or your buddy. Then all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore, you know. But I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they, it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lilin, but it would be very possible if these people weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have shared the whole story. You know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble, they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, &quot;oh, I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next.&quot; I mean, they'd have security walk me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, &quot;no, you can't do that&quot;.<br /> <br /> ===Doug complains about being abused, and that his abusers &quot;play victim&quot;===<br /> [56:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you need to engage in self-defense ['''Tommy:''' Yes!] and then they immediately play victim.<br /> <br /> ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep, yep, yep.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing, because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and as we have often brought up the invocation: &quot;That, which can be destroyed by truth, should never be spared it's demise&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Exactly<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And so here you are, you guys have the truth. <br /> <br /> ===Doug &quot;ends on a positive note&quot;===<br /> [57:18]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, I would, I would like to end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative role, every- every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and-, uh- and timely and keep things operational and on schedule. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else, they can stay or they can leave. And we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know- the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do. Whether we're doing it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I think we're also going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. But we ''are'' going to have a different internal culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' I hope so. I really do because, you know, it is the one thing...<br /> <br /> ===Doug promises &quot;a new internal culture&quot;===<br /> [58:24]<br /> <br /> '''Doug [interrupting]:''' I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody. Like my promise is: we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying. And they- it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was the SOC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we verse each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're- we're supposed to be fighting the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other, you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us, you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in, in November. ['''Lilin:''' Yep.] You know, I mean, that is the biggest threat. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Oh, and that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect, but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the threat is passed. ['''Tommy:''' Oh no]. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims, &quot;for those who think they're going to hold their departure over our heads [...] I'm not bluffing&quot;===<br /> [1:00:10]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And one last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here and you've expressed support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to yet, that's because we have gotten so ''many'' of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this on file and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said and the emails that I'm getting, I guarantee you I'm not- I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems- willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd of people who have been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I think on that note...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''laughs'']...on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and yeah, again, any questions that people have; comments, you know, letters of support. Fuck, send us letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts are-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And Lucien, is there anywhere specific people should be reaching out if they want to be involved, if they ''want'' to reach out to help? <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' You know what, let me determine what the best address is for that and you can put it in the, uh, in the description. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' All right. Well, you know to look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that we're all up against.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Thank you for your time today Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Great, thank you so much.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Hail Satan, good n-[''cut-off by music'']<br /> <br /> == References==</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17115 2024-05-26T16:07:00Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> ===Intro===<br /> '''Lilin:''' Welcome, dear listeners, to Satanists Next Door. We're your hosts, Lilin Lavin-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' and Tommy Lavin.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives: leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have [[Lucien Greaves | Lucien]. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug [ [[Lucien Greaves]] ]:''' Hey. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' So-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> ===Lilin describes reporting gossip on Slack to Executive Ministry===<br /> [1:51]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, ['''Tommy:''' bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Untasteful.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the Minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> '''Lilin:''' Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> ===Doug describes his firing a Minister for spreading memes about him===<br /> [10:34]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of Ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so I emailed the primary Minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as Ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> '''Doug:''' So I sent out a letter to this Minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the Minister ['''Lilin:'''Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> ===Doug rants about an Anti-Blue Lives Matter protest that took place at SatanCon 2023===<br /> [20:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. ['''Tommy:''' yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. ['''Tommy:''' Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> <br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But Ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think, on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. ['''Tommy:''' ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant ['''Tommy:''' ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. ['''Tommy:''' ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. ['''Lilin:''' Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. ['''Tommy:''' Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? ['''Lilin:''' Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that Minister, and since, of course, a group of Ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> ===Doug discusses events surrounding the removal of Head of Ministry Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]===<br /> [32:15]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a Minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a Minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:'''And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, ['''Lilin:''' Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. ['''Tommy:'''Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; ['''Tommy:''' ''chuckling''] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]]. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of introspection among his critics===<br /> [37:54]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house.<br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to be a stoic, but he's &quot;taken so much abuse&quot; and people &quot;don't realize I'm actually a person&quot;===<br /> [39:03]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that case with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> ===Tommy argues that if you don't like the organization then you should leave rather than advocate for change===<br /> [40:48]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the Minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> ===Doug explicitly states that he owns TST and members should toe the line===<br /> [42:36]<br /> <br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know? Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> '''Doug (talking over him):''' That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that Ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> ===Doug denies that TST is a cult===<br /> [44:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Right. I heard that said a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:'''This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, ''not'' ownership. They were given freedom. ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' They- They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form- ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.] -of religious organization that you disagree with. <br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> [editor's note: a formal definition of cult warning signs can be found at &lt;ref&gt;[https://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html CultEducation.com], Cult Education Institute: Warning Signs of a Cult&lt;/ref&gt;]<br /> ===The panel discuss whether volunteers should try to steer the organisation===<br /> [44:46]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin, sarcastically:''' Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> <br /> '''Doug(interrupting):''' You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers deserve more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. ['''Tommy:'''Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. ['''Tommy:''' Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you ''not'' identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, ['''Tommy:''' Leave.] [''forcefully''] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And- I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away- (more than once, obviously, now) to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team &quot;on our own&quot;. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Well, and you- you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get-out-of-jail-free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy? And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the right thing? They saw something wrong was- was going on. They saw that something was being planned, that was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention that they should have, you know, they did- is- is- does compassion and empathy go out the window when people are doing something wrong because it's your buddy? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing something wrong because it's just because it's your buddy? Oh, well, I would have said something about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that and pretend that it's not happening. That was, like, infuriating to me. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yeah. So, you know, to those people who were left in the lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in the hopes that ''they'll'' actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things and understand why and maybe even express some remorse. Or some- some kind of acknowledgement that there was necessity for these moves. And, and- that didn't happen. And I was really- there were a few people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people, they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Or that they disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this, you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators...<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of respect for &quot;the dignity of the religion&quot;===<br /> [50:36]<br /> <br /> '''Doug [interrupting]''': Ministers, too! Imagine we saw a group of Catholic ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. [''Tommy laughs''] People would have screen shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this foul culture of theirs. And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're going around with the title of Minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely lost the plot then. It's- you know, it's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either, I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think ministerial work should be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Absolutely.<br /> <br /> [51:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> <br /> [52:15]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before the whole, the room thing happened, you know, and Lilin can have the screenshots. This was while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it was basically the same thing. If you are ''that'' unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, '''go''', you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules and you can talk bad about whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just unta- it's distasteful. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation of that which you- you purport to care so much about? <br /> <br /> [53:21]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, and the rot seems so severe too, when, like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where I do feel forced to talk to the- about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering, why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why; they just decided not to tell you. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep.<br /> <br /> ===Doug suggests all removed Ministers &quot;were never qualified for the job to begin with&quot;===<br /> [53:48]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Like, the massive downloads of the documents were real. People feel entitled to steal from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with, no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information? Like, nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information, while protecting ours? That's just what an organization is ''obligated'' to do. And for people to feel entitled to start downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly, screenshots of chats where people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever, to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about, you know, I just got a wild hare up my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove I'm- prove I'm the man or something like that.<br /> <br /> [55:04]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lilin went public with, with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim, you know, [''mocking voice''] &quot;oh, I got, I got removed&quot;. &quot;I don't know what- they're just going crazy&quot;. &quot;They don't know- they're- they're paranoid&quot;. &quot;They don't know what they're doing&quot;. They're- you know, &quot;you might be next&quot;, you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every- again, I kind of went back to- look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines a bad light on you or your buddy. Then all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore, you know. But I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they, it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lilin, but it would be very possible if these people weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have shared the whole story. You know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble, they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, &quot;oh, I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next.&quot; I mean, they'd have security walk me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, &quot;no, you can't do that&quot;.<br /> <br /> ===Doug complains about being abused, and that his abusers &quot;play victim&quot;===<br /> [56:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you need to engage in self-defense ['''Tommy:''' Yes!] and then they immediately play victim.<br /> <br /> ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep, yep, yep.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing, because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and as we have often brought up the invocation: &quot;That, which can be destroyed by truth, should never be spared it's demise&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Exactly<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And so here you are, you guys have the truth. <br /> <br /> ===Doug &quot;ends on a positive note&quot;===<br /> [57:18]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, I would, I would like to end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative role, every- every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and-, uh- and timely and keep things operational and on schedule. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else, they can stay or they can leave. And we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know- the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do. Whether we're doing it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I think we're also going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. But we ''are'' going to have a different internal culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' I hope so. I really do because, you know, it is the one thing...<br /> <br /> ===Doug promises &quot;a new internal culture&quot;===<br /> [58:24]<br /> <br /> '''Doug [interrupting]:''' I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody. Like my promise is: we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying. And they- it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was the SOC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we verse each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're- we're supposed to be fighting the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other, you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us, you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in, in November. ['''Lilin:''' Yep.] You know, I mean, that is the biggest threat. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Oh, and that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect, but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the threat is passed. ['''Tommy:''' Oh no]. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims he's not bluffing, to &quot;those who think they're going to hold their departure over our heads&quot;===<br /> [1:00:10]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And one last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here and you've expressed support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to yet, that's because we have gotten so ''many'' of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this on file and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said and the emails that I'm getting, I guarantee you I'm not- I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems- willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd of people who have been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I think on that note...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''laughs'']...on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and yeah, again, any questions that people have; comments, you know, letters of support. Fuck, send us letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts are-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And Lucien, is there anywhere specific people should be reaching out if they want to be involved, if they ''want'' to reach out to help? <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' You know what, let me determine what the best address is for that and you can put it in the, uh, in the description. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' All right. Well, you know to look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that we're all up against.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Thank you for your time today Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Great, thank you so much.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Hail Satan, good n-[''cut-off by music'']<br /> <br /> == References==</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17114 2024-05-26T16:06:25Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> ===Intro===<br /> '''Lilin:''' Welcome, dear listeners, to Satanists Next Door. We're your hosts, Lilin Lavin-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' and Tommy Lavin.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives: leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug [ [[Lucien Greaves]] ]:''' Hey. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' So-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> ===Lilin describes reporting gossip on Slack to Executive Ministry===<br /> [1:51]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, ['''Tommy:''' bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Untasteful.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the Minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> '''Lilin:''' Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> ===Doug describes his firing a Minister for spreading memes about him===<br /> [10:34]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of Ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so I emailed the primary Minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as Ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> '''Doug:''' So I sent out a letter to this Minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the Minister ['''Lilin:'''Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> ===Doug rants about an Anti-Blue Lives Matter protest that took place at SatanCon 2023===<br /> [20:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. ['''Tommy:''' yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. ['''Tommy:''' Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> <br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But Ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think, on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. ['''Tommy:''' ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant ['''Tommy:''' ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. ['''Tommy:''' ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. ['''Lilin:''' Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. ['''Tommy:''' Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? ['''Lilin:''' Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that Minister, and since, of course, a group of Ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> ===Doug discusses events surrounding the removal of Head of Ministry Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]===<br /> [32:15]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a Minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a Minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:'''And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, ['''Lilin:''' Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. ['''Tommy:'''Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; ['''Tommy:''' ''chuckling''] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]]. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of introspection among his critics===<br /> [37:54]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house.<br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to be a stoic, but he's &quot;taken so much abuse&quot; and people &quot;don't realize I'm actually a person&quot;===<br /> [39:03]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that case with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> ===Tommy argues that if you don't like the organization then you should leave rather than advocate for change===<br /> [40:48]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the Minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> ===Doug explicitly states that he owns TST and members should toe the line===<br /> [42:36]<br /> <br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know? Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> '''Doug (talking over him):''' That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that Ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> ===Doug denies that TST is a cult===<br /> [44:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Right. I heard that said a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:'''This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, ''not'' ownership. They were given freedom. ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' They- They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form- ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.] -of religious organization that you disagree with. <br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> [editor's note: a formal definition of cult warning signs can be found at &lt;ref&gt;[https://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html CultEducation.com], Cult Education Institute: Warning Signs of a Cult&lt;/ref&gt;]<br /> ===The panel discuss whether volunteers should try to steer the organisation===<br /> [44:46]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin, sarcastically:''' Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> <br /> '''Doug(interrupting):''' You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers deserve more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. ['''Tommy:'''Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. ['''Tommy:''' Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you ''not'' identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, ['''Tommy:''' Leave.] [''forcefully''] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And- I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away- (more than once, obviously, now) to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team &quot;on our own&quot;. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Well, and you- you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get-out-of-jail-free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy? And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the right thing? They saw something wrong was- was going on. They saw that something was being planned, that was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention that they should have, you know, they did- is- is- does compassion and empathy go out the window when people are doing something wrong because it's your buddy? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing something wrong because it's just because it's your buddy? Oh, well, I would have said something about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that and pretend that it's not happening. That was, like, infuriating to me. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yeah. So, you know, to those people who were left in the lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in the hopes that ''they'll'' actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things and understand why and maybe even express some remorse. Or some- some kind of acknowledgement that there was necessity for these moves. And, and- that didn't happen. And I was really- there were a few people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people, they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Or that they disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this, you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators...<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of respect for &quot;the dignity of the religion&quot;===<br /> [50:36]<br /> <br /> '''Doug [interrupting]''': Ministers, too! Imagine we saw a group of Catholic ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. [''Tommy laughs''] People would have screen shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this foul culture of theirs. And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're going around with the title of Minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely lost the plot then. It's- you know, it's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either, I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think ministerial work should be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Absolutely.<br /> <br /> [51:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> <br /> [52:15]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before the whole, the room thing happened, you know, and Lilin can have the screenshots. This was while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it was basically the same thing. If you are ''that'' unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, '''go''', you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules and you can talk bad about whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just unta- it's distasteful. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation of that which you- you purport to care so much about? <br /> <br /> [53:21]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, and the rot seems so severe too, when, like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where I do feel forced to talk to the- about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering, why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why; they just decided not to tell you. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep.<br /> <br /> ===Doug suggests all removed Ministers &quot;were never qualified for the job to begin with&quot;===<br /> [53:48]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Like, the massive downloads of the documents were real. People feel entitled to steal from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with, no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information? Like, nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information, while protecting ours? That's just what an organization is ''obligated'' to do. And for people to feel entitled to start downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly, screenshots of chats where people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever, to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about, you know, I just got a wild hare up my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove I'm- prove I'm the man or something like that.<br /> <br /> [55:04]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lilin went public with, with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim, you know, [''mocking voice''] &quot;oh, I got, I got removed&quot;. &quot;I don't know what- they're just going crazy&quot;. &quot;They don't know- they're- they're paranoid&quot;. &quot;They don't know what they're doing&quot;. They're- you know, &quot;you might be next&quot;, you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every- again, I kind of went back to- look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines a bad light on you or your buddy. Then all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore, you know. But I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they, it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lilin, but it would be very possible if these people weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have shared the whole story. You know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble, they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, &quot;oh, I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next.&quot; I mean, they'd have security walk me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, &quot;no, you can't do that&quot;.<br /> <br /> ===Doug complains about being abused, and that his abusers &quot;play victim&quot;===<br /> [56:43]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you need to engage in self-defense ['''Tommy:''' Yes!] and then they immediately play victim.<br /> <br /> ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep, yep, yep.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing, because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and as we have often brought up the invocation: &quot;That, which can be destroyed by truth, should never be spared it's demise&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Exactly<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And so here you are, you guys have the truth. <br /> <br /> ===Doug &quot;ends on a positive note&quot;===<br /> [57:18]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, I would, I would like to end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative role, every- every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and-, uh- and timely and keep things operational and on schedule. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else, they can stay or they can leave. And we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know- the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do. Whether we're doing it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I think we're also going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. But we ''are'' going to have a different internal culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' I hope so. I really do because, you know, it is the one thing...<br /> <br /> ===Doug promises &quot;a new internal culture&quot;===<br /> [58:24]<br /> <br /> '''Doug [interrupting]:''' I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody. Like my promise is: we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying. And they- it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was the SOC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we verse each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're- we're supposed to be fighting the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other, you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us, you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in, in November. ['''Lilin:''' Yep.] You know, I mean, that is the biggest threat. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Oh, and that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect, but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the threat is passed. ['''Tommy:''' Oh no]. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims he's not bluffing, to &quot;those who think they're going to hold their departure over our heads&quot;===<br /> [1:00:10]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And one last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here and you've expressed support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to yet, that's because we have gotten so ''many'' of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this on file and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said and the emails that I'm getting, I guarantee you I'm not- I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems- willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd of people who have been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I think on that note...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''laughs'']...on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and yeah, again, any questions that people have; comments, you know, letters of support. Fuck, send us letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts are-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And Lucien, is there anywhere specific people should be reaching out if they want to be involved, if they ''want'' to reach out to help? <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' You know what, let me determine what the best address is for that and you can put it in the, uh, in the description. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' All right. Well, you know to look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that we're all up against.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Thank you for your time today Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Great, thank you so much.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Hail Satan, good n-[''cut-off by music'']<br /> <br /> == References==</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Lilin describes reporting gossip on Slack to Executive Ministry */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> ===Intro===<br /> '''Lilin:''' Welcome, dear listeners, to Satanists Next Door. We're your hosts, Lilin Lavin-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' and Tommy Lavin.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives: leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug [ [[Lucien Greaves]] ]:''' Hey. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' So-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> ===Lilin describes reporting gossip on Slack to Executive Ministry===<br /> [1:51]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, ['''Tommy:''' bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Untasteful.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the Minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> '''Lilin:''' Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> ===Doug describes his firing a Minister for spreading memes about him===<br /> [10:34]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of Ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so I emailed the primary Minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as Ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> '''Doug:''' So I sent out a letter to this Minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the Minister ['''Lilin:'''Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> ===Doug rants about an Anti-Blue Lives Matter protest that took place at SatanCon 2023===<br /> [20:26]<br /> '''Doug:''' So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. ['''Tommy:''' yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. ['''Tommy:''' Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But Ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think, on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> '''Doug:''' But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. ['''Tommy:''' ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> '''Doug:''' So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> '''Doug:''' And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant ['''Tommy:''' ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. ['''Tommy:''' ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. ['''Lilin:''' Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. ['''Tommy:''' Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? ['''Lilin:''' Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> '''Doug:''' And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that Minister, and since, of course, a group of Ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> '''Doug:''' They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> '''Doug:''' And our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a Minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a Minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> '''Doug:'''And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, ['''Lilin:''' Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. ['''Tommy:'''Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> '''Doug:''' We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; ['''Tommy:''' ''chuckling''] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]]. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of introspection among his critics===<br /> [37:54]<br /> '''Doug:''' And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house.<br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to be a stoic, but he's &quot;taken so much abuse&quot; and people &quot;don't realize I'm actually a person&quot;===<br /> [39:03]<br /> '''Doug:''' The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that case with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> ===Tommy argues that if you don't like the organization then you should leave rather than advocate for change===<br /> [40:48]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the Minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> '''Lilin:''' I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> ===Doug explicitly states that he owns TST and members should toe the line===<br /> [42:36]<br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know? Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> '''Doug (talking over him):''' That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that Ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> ===Doug denies that TST is a cult===<br /> [44:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Right. I heard that said a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:'''This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, ''not'' ownership. They were given freedom. ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> '''Doug:''' They- They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form- ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.] -of religious organization that you disagree with. <br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> ===The panel discuss whether volunteers should try to steer the organisation===<br /> [44:46]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin, sarcastically:''' Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> '''Doug(interrupting):''' You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers deserve more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. ['''Tommy:'''Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. ['''Tommy:''' Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you ''not'' identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, ['''Tommy:''' Leave.] [''forcefully''] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And- I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away- (more than once, obviously, now) to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team &quot;on our own&quot;. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Well, and you- you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get-out-of-jail-free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy? And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the right thing? They saw something wrong was- was going on. They saw that something was being planned, that was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention that they should have, you know, they did- is- is- does compassion and empathy go out the window when people are doing something wrong because it's your buddy? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing something wrong because it's just because it's your buddy? Oh, well, I would have said something about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that and pretend that it's not happening. That was, like, infuriating to me. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yeah. So, you know, to those people who were left in the lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in the hopes that ''they'll'' actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things and understand why and maybe even express some remorse. Or some- some kind of acknowledgement that there was necessity for these moves. And, and- that didn't happen. And I was really- there were a few people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people, they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Or that they disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this, you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators...<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of respect for &quot;the dignity of the religion&quot;===<br /> [50:36]<br /> '''Doug [interrupting]''': Ministers, too! Imagine we saw a group of Catholic ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. [''Tommy laughs''] People would have screen shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this foul culture of theirs. And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're going around with the title of Minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely lost the plot then. It's- you know, it's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either, I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think ministerial work should be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Absolutely.<br /> <br /> [51:43]<br /> '''Doug:''' Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> <br /> [52:15]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before the whole, the room thing happened, you know, and Lilin can have the screenshots. This was while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it was basically the same thing. If you are ''that'' unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, '''go''', you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules and you can talk bad about whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just unta- it's distasteful. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation of that which you- you purport to care so much about? <br /> <br /> [53:21]<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, and the rot seems so severe too, when, like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where I do feel forced to talk to the- about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering, why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why; they just decided not to tell you. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep.<br /> <br /> ===Doug suggests all removed Ministers &quot;were never qualified for the job to begin with&quot;===<br /> [53:48]<br /> '''Doug:''' Like, the massive downloads of the documents were real. People feel entitled to steal from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with, no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information? Like, nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information, while protecting ours? That's just what an organization is ''obligated'' to do. And for people to feel entitled to start downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly, screenshots of chats where people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever, to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about, you know, I just got a wild hare up my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove I'm- prove I'm the man or something like that.<br /> <br /> [55:04]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lilin went public with, with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim, you know, [''mocking voice''] &quot;oh, I got, I got removed&quot;. &quot;I don't know what- they're just going crazy&quot;. &quot;They don't know- they're- they're paranoid&quot;. &quot;They don't know what they're doing&quot;. They're- you know, &quot;you might be next&quot;, you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every- again, I kind of went back to- look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines a bad light on you or your buddy. Then all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore, you know. But I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they, it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lilin, but it would be very possible if these people weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble, they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, &quot;oh, I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next.&quot; I mean, they'd have security walk me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that. <br /> <br /> ===Doug complains about being abused===<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you need to engage in self-defense ['''Tommy:''' Yes!] and then they immediately play victim.<br /> <br /> ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep, yep, yep.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing, because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and as we have often brought up the invocation: &quot;That, which can be destroyed by truth, should never be spared it's demise&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Exactly<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And so here you are, you guys have the truth. <br /> <br /> ===Doug &quot;ends on a positive note&quot;===<br /> [57:18]<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, I would, I would like to end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative role, every- every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and-, uh- and timely and keep things operational and on schedule. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else, they can stay or they can leave. And we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know- the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do. Whether we're doing it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I think we're also going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. But we ''are'' going to have a different internal culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' I hope so. I really do because, you know, it is the one thing...<br /> <br /> ===Doug promises &quot;a new internal culture&quot;===<br /> [58:24]<br /> '''Doug [interrupting]:''' I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody. Like my promise is: we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying. And they- it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was the SOC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we verse each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're- we're supposed to be fighting the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other, you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us, you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in, in November. ['''Lilin:''' Yep.] You know, I mean, that is the biggest threat. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Oh, and that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect, but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the threat is passed. ['''Tommy:''' Oh no]. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims he's not bluffing, to &quot;those who think they're going to hold their departure over our heads&quot;===<br /> '''Doug:''' One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said and the email that I'm getting, I guarantee you I'm not- I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I think on that note...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''laughs'']...on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and yeah, again, any questions that people have; comments, you know, letters of support. Fuck, send us letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts are-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And Lucien, is there anywhere specific people should be reaching out if they want to be involved, if they ''want'' to reach out to help? <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' You know what, let me determine what the best address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' All right. Well, you know to look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that we're all up against.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Thank you for your time today Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Great, thank you so much<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Hail Satan, good n-[''cut-off by music'']<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;###&lt;/nowiki&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17112 2024-05-26T15:36:49Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Intro */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> ===Intro===<br /> '''Lilin:''' Welcome, dear listeners, to Satanists Next Door. We're your hosts, Lilin Lavin-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' and Tommy Lavin.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives: leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug [ [[Lucien Greaves]] ]:''' Hey. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' So-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> ===Lilin describes reporting gossip on Slack to Executive Ministry===<br /> [1:51]<br /> '''Lilin:''' I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, ['''Tommy:''' bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Untasteful.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> '''Lilin:''' with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the Minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> '''Lilin:''' Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of Ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> '''Doug:''' And so I emailed the primary Minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as Ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> '''Doug:''' So I sent out a letter to this Minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> '''Doug:''' And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> '''Doug:''' And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> '''Doug:''' But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> '''Doug:''' If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the Minister ['''Lilin:'''Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> '''Doug:''' And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> '''Doug:''' And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> '''Doug:''' So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> ===Doug rants about an Anti-Blue Lives Matter protest that took place at SatanCon 2023===<br /> [20:26]<br /> '''Doug:''' So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. ['''Tommy:''' yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. ['''Tommy:''' Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But Ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think, on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> '''Doug:''' But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. ['''Tommy:''' ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> '''Doug:''' So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> '''Doug:''' And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant ['''Tommy:''' ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. ['''Tommy:''' ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. ['''Lilin:''' Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. ['''Tommy:''' Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? ['''Lilin:''' Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> '''Doug:''' And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that Minister, and since, of course, a group of Ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> '''Doug:''' They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> '''Doug:''' And our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a Minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a Minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> '''Doug:'''And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, ['''Lilin:''' Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. ['''Tommy:'''Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> '''Doug:''' We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; ['''Tommy:''' ''chuckling''] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]]. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of introspection among his critics===<br /> [37:54]<br /> '''Doug:''' And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house.<br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to be a stoic, but he's &quot;taken so much abuse&quot; and people &quot;don't realize I'm actually a person&quot;===<br /> [39:03]<br /> '''Doug:''' The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that case with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> ===Tommy argues that if you don't like the organization then you should leave rather than advocate for change===<br /> [40:48]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the Minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> '''Lilin:''' I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> ===Doug explicitly states that he owns TST and members should toe the line===<br /> [42:36]<br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know? Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> '''Doug (talking over him):''' That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that Ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> ===Doug denies that TST is a cult===<br /> [44:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Right. I heard that said a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:'''This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, ''not'' ownership. They were given freedom. ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> '''Doug:''' They- They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form- ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.] -of religious organization that you disagree with. <br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> ===The panel discuss whether volunteers should try to steer the organisation===<br /> [44:46]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin, sarcastically:''' Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> '''Doug(interrupting):''' You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers deserve more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. ['''Tommy:'''Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. ['''Tommy:''' Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you ''not'' identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, ['''Tommy:''' Leave.] [''forcefully''] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And- I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away- (more than once, obviously, now) to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team &quot;on our own&quot;. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Well, and you- you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get-out-of-jail-free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy? And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the right thing? They saw something wrong was- was going on. They saw that something was being planned, that was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention that they should have, you know, they did- is- is- does compassion and empathy go out the window when people are doing something wrong because it's your buddy? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing something wrong because it's just because it's your buddy? Oh, well, I would have said something about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that and pretend that it's not happening. That was, like, infuriating to me. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yeah. So, you know, to those people who were left in the lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in the hopes that ''they'll'' actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things and understand why and maybe even express some remorse. Or some- some kind of acknowledgement that there was necessity for these moves. And, and- that didn't happen. And I was really- there were a few people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people, they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Or that they disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this, you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators...<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of respect for &quot;the dignity of the religion&quot;===<br /> [50:36]<br /> '''Doug [interrupting]''': Ministers, too! Imagine we saw a group of Catholic ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. [''Tommy laughs''] People would have screen shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this foul culture of theirs. And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're going around with the title of Minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely lost the plot then. It's- you know, it's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either, I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think ministerial work should be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Absolutely.<br /> <br /> [51:43]<br /> '''Doug:''' Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> <br /> [52:15]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before the whole, the room thing happened, you know, and Lilin can have the screenshots. This was while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it was basically the same thing. If you are ''that'' unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, '''go''', you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules and you can talk bad about whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just unta- it's distasteful. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation of that which you- you purport to care so much about? <br /> <br /> [53:21]<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, and the rot seems so severe too, when, like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where I do feel forced to talk to the- about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering, why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why; they just decided not to tell you. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep.<br /> <br /> ===Doug suggests all removed Ministers &quot;were never qualified for the job to begin with&quot;===<br /> [53:48]<br /> '''Doug:''' Like, the massive downloads of the documents were real. People feel entitled to steal from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with, no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information? Like, nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information, while protecting ours? That's just what an organization is ''obligated'' to do. And for people to feel entitled to start downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly, screenshots of chats where people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever, to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about, you know, I just got a wild hare up my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove I'm- prove I'm the man or something like that.<br /> <br /> [55:04]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lilin went public with, with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim, you know, [''mocking voice''] &quot;oh, I got, I got removed&quot;. &quot;I don't know what- they're just going crazy&quot;. &quot;They don't know- they're- they're paranoid&quot;. &quot;They don't know what they're doing&quot;. They're- you know, &quot;you might be next&quot;, you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every- again, I kind of went back to- look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines a bad light on you or your buddy. Then all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore, you know. But I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they, it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lilin, but it would be very possible if these people weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble, they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, &quot;oh, I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next.&quot; I mean, they'd have security walk me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that. <br /> <br /> ===Doug complains about being abused===<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you need to engage in self-defense ['''Tommy:''' Yes!] and then they immediately play victim.<br /> <br /> ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep, yep, yep.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing, because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and as we have often brought up the invocation: &quot;That, which can be destroyed by truth, should never be spared it's demise&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Exactly<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And so here you are, you guys have the truth. <br /> <br /> ===Doug &quot;ends on a positive note&quot;===<br /> [57:18]<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, I would, I would like to end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative role, every- every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and-, uh- and timely and keep things operational and on schedule. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else, they can stay or they can leave. And we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know- the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do. Whether we're doing it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I think we're also going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. But we ''are'' going to have a different internal culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' I hope so. I really do because, you know, it is the one thing...<br /> <br /> ===Doug promises &quot;a new internal culture&quot;===<br /> [58:24]<br /> '''Doug [interrupting]:''' I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody. Like my promise is: we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying. And they- it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was the SOC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we verse each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're- we're supposed to be fighting the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other, you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us, you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in, in November. ['''Lilin:''' Yep.] You know, I mean, that is the biggest threat. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Oh, and that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect, but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the threat is passed. ['''Tommy:''' Oh no]. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims he's not bluffing, to &quot;those who think they're going to hold their departure over our heads&quot;===<br /> '''Doug:''' One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said and the email that I'm getting, I guarantee you I'm not- I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I think on that note...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''laughs'']...on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and yeah, again, any questions that people have; comments, you know, letters of support. Fuck, send us letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts are-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And Lucien, is there anywhere specific people should be reaching out if they want to be involved, if they ''want'' to reach out to help? <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' You know what, let me determine what the best address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' All right. Well, you know to look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that we're all up against.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Thank you for your time today Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Great, thank you so much<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Hail Satan, good n-[''cut-off by music'']<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;###&lt;/nowiki&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17111 2024-05-26T15:35:20Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> ===Intro===<br /> '''Lilin:''' Welcome, dear listeners, to Satanists Next Door. We're your hosts, Lilin Lavin-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' and Tommy Lavin.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives: leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' So-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> ===Lilin describes reporting gossip on Slack to Executive Ministry===<br /> [1:51]<br /> '''Lilin:''' I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, ['''Tommy:''' bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Untasteful.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> '''Lilin:''' with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the Minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> '''Lilin:''' Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of Ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> '''Doug:''' And so I emailed the primary Minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as Ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> '''Doug:''' So I sent out a letter to this Minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> '''Doug:''' And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> '''Doug:''' And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> '''Doug:''' But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> '''Doug:''' If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the Minister ['''Lilin:'''Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> '''Doug:''' And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> '''Doug:''' And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> '''Doug:''' So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> ===Doug rants about an Anti-Blue Lives Matter protest that took place at SatanCon 2023===<br /> [20:26]<br /> '''Doug:''' So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. ['''Tommy:''' yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. ['''Tommy:''' Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But Ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think, on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> '''Doug:''' But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. ['''Tommy:''' ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> '''Doug:''' And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> '''Doug:''' So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> '''Doug:''' And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant ['''Tommy:''' ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. ['''Tommy:''' ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. ['''Lilin:''' Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. ['''Tommy:''' Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? ['''Lilin:''' Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> '''Doug:''' And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that Minister, and since, of course, a group of Ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> '''Doug:''' They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> '''Doug:''' And our [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]] stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a Minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a Minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> '''Doug:'''And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, ['''Lilin:''' Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. ['''Tommy:'''Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> '''Doug:''' We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; ['''Tommy:''' ''chuckling''] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]], who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former [[Greg Stevens|Head of Ministry]]. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of introspection among his critics===<br /> [37:54]<br /> '''Doug:''' And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house.<br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims to be a stoic, but he's &quot;taken so much abuse&quot; and people &quot;don't realize I'm actually a person&quot;===<br /> [39:03]<br /> '''Doug:''' The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that case with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> ===Tommy argues that if you don't like the organization then you should leave rather than advocate for change===<br /> [40:48]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the Minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> '''Lilin:''' I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> ===Doug explicitly states that he owns TST and members should toe the line===<br /> [42:36]<br /> '''Doug (interrupting):''' People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know? Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> '''Doug (talking over him):''' That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that Ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> ===Doug denies that TST is a cult===<br /> [44:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Right. I heard that said a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:'''This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, ''not'' ownership. They were given freedom. ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> '''Doug:''' They- They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form- ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.] -of religious organization that you disagree with. <br /> <br /> ['''Tommy:''' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> ===The panel discuss whether volunteers should try to steer the organisation===<br /> [44:46]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin, sarcastically:''' Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> '''Doug(interrupting):''' You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers deserve more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. ['''Tommy:'''Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. ['''Tommy:''' Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you ''not'' identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, ['''Tommy:''' Leave.] [''forcefully''] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And- I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away- (more than once, obviously, now) to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team &quot;on our own&quot;. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Well, and you- you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get-out-of-jail-free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy? And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the right thing? They saw something wrong was- was going on. They saw that something was being planned, that was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention that they should have, you know, they did- is- is- does compassion and empathy go out the window when people are doing something wrong because it's your buddy? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing something wrong because it's just because it's your buddy? Oh, well, I would have said something about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that and pretend that it's not happening. That was, like, infuriating to me. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Yeah. So, you know, to those people who were left in the lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in the hopes that ''they'll'' actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things and understand why and maybe even express some remorse. Or some- some kind of acknowledgement that there was necessity for these moves. And, and- that didn't happen. And I was really- there were a few people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people, they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Or that they disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this, you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators...<br /> <br /> ===Doug bemoans a lack of respect for &quot;the dignity of the religion&quot;===<br /> [50:36]<br /> '''Doug [interrupting]''': Ministers, too! Imagine we saw a group of Catholic ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. [''Tommy laughs''] People would have screen shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this foul culture of theirs. And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're going around with the title of Minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely lost the plot then. It's- you know, it's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either, I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think ministerial work should be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Absolutely.<br /> <br /> [51:43]<br /> '''Doug:''' Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> <br /> [52:15]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before the whole, the room thing happened, you know, and Lilin can have the screenshots. This was while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it was basically the same thing. If you are ''that'' unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, '''go''', you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules and you can talk bad about whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just unta- it's distasteful. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation of that which you- you purport to care so much about? <br /> <br /> [53:21]<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, and the rot seems so severe too, when, like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where I do feel forced to talk to the- about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering, why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why; they just decided not to tell you. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep.<br /> <br /> ===Doug suggests all removed Ministers &quot;were never qualified for the job to begin with&quot;===<br /> [53:48]<br /> '''Doug:''' Like, the massive downloads of the documents were real. People feel entitled to steal from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with, no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information? Like, nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information, while protecting ours? That's just what an organization is ''obligated'' to do. And for people to feel entitled to start downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly, screenshots of chats where people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever, to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about, you know, I just got a wild hare up my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove I'm- prove I'm the man or something like that.<br /> <br /> [55:04]<br /> '''Tommy:''' Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lilin went public with, with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim, you know, [''mocking voice''] &quot;oh, I got, I got removed&quot;. &quot;I don't know what- they're just going crazy&quot;. &quot;They don't know- they're- they're paranoid&quot;. &quot;They don't know what they're doing&quot;. They're- you know, &quot;you might be next&quot;, you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every- again, I kind of went back to- look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines a bad light on you or your buddy. Then all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore, you know. But I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they, it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lilin, but it would be very possible if these people weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble, they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, &quot;oh, I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next.&quot; I mean, they'd have security walk me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that. <br /> <br /> ===Doug complains about being abused===<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you need to engage in self-defense ['''Tommy:''' Yes!] and then they immediately play victim.<br /> <br /> ['''Lilin:''' Mm-hmm.] <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yep, yep, yep.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing, because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and as we have often brought up the invocation: &quot;That, which can be destroyed by truth, should never be spared it's demise&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Exactly<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And so here you are, you guys have the truth. <br /> <br /> ===Doug &quot;ends on a positive note&quot;===<br /> [57:18]<br /> '''Doug:''' Well, I would, I would like to end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative role, every- every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and-, uh- and timely and keep things operational and on schedule. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else, they can stay or they can leave. And we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know- the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do. Whether we're doing it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' And I think we're also going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. But we ''are'' going to have a different internal culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' I hope so. I really do because, you know, it is the one thing...<br /> <br /> ===Doug promises &quot;a new internal culture&quot;===<br /> [58:24]<br /> '''Doug [interrupting]:''' I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody. Like my promise is: we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying. And they- it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was the SOC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we verse each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're- we're supposed to be fighting the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other, you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us, you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in, in November. ['''Lilin:''' Yep.] You know, I mean, that is the biggest threat. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Oh, and that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect, but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the threat is passed. ['''Tommy:''' Oh no]. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> ===Doug claims he's not bluffing, to &quot;those who think they're going to hold their departure over our heads&quot;===<br /> '''Doug:''' One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said and the email that I'm getting, I guarantee you I'm not- I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. <br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Well, I think on that note...<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' [''laughs'']...on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and yeah, again, any questions that people have; comments, you know, letters of support. Fuck, send us letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts are-<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' And Lucien, is there anywhere specific people should be reaching out if they want to be involved, if they ''want'' to reach out to help? <br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' You know what, let me determine what the best address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. <br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' All right. Well, you know to look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that we're all up against.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Thank you for your time today Lucien.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Great, thank you so much<br /> <br /> '''Lilin:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Tommy:''' Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> '''Doug:''' Hail Satan, good n-[''cut-off by music'']<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;###&lt;/nowiki&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17110 2024-05-26T09:40:37Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the Head of Ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, [Lilin: Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. [Tommy:Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; [Tommy: *chuckling*] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former Head of Ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior Head of Ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former Head of Ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> [37:54]<br /> And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. [Tommy: ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> [39:03]<br /> The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> 40:48<br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> Lilin: I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> [42:36]<br /> Doug (interrupting):People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know?Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> Doug (talking over him): That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> [44:00]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> Lilin: I heard that said a lot.<br /> Tommy:This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were given freedom. [Lilin: Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> Doug: They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> Tommy: Yeah. <br /> Doug: So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with. [Tommy: Yeah.] But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> Lilin, sarcastically: Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> Tommy: Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> Doug(interrupting): You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. [Tommy:Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. [Tommy: Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, [Tommy: Leave.] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> <br /> Lilin: It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> <br /> Lilin: And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get out of jail free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy? And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned. That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing something wrong because it's just because it's your buddy? Oh, well, I would have said something about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yeah. So, you know, to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people, they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... <br /> <br /> Tommy: Or that they disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this, you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators...<br /> <br /> Doug [interrupting]: Imagine we saw a group of Catholic ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have screen shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs. And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either, I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think ministerial work should be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> Tommy: Absolutely.Doug: Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.Tommy: Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go, you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's distasteful. <br /> <br /> Lilin: I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation of that which you you purport to care so much about? <br /> <br /> Doug: Well, in the right seem so severe too, when, like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering, why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with, no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like, nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever, to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about, you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove prove I'm the man or something like that. <br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with, with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim, you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next, you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again, I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore, you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they, it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble, they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh, I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean, they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that. <br /> <br /> Doug: Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you need to engage in self-defense [Tommy: Yes!] and then they immediately play victim [Lilin: mm-hmm]. <br /> <br /> Tommy: Yep, yep, yep.<br /> <br /> Lilin: I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never be spared, it's demise. [Tommy: Exactyl] And so here you are, you guys have the truth. <br /> <br /> Doug: Well, I would, I would like to end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else, they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know, the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Yeah. <br /> <br /> Doug: And I think we're also going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. <br /> <br /> Tommy: I hope so. I really do because, you know, it is the one thing...<br /> <br /> Doug [interrupting]: I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody. Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying. And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings. <br /> <br /> Tommy: Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other, you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us, you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean, that is the biggest threat. <br /> <br /> Lilin: And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect, but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the threat is passed. [Tommy: Oh no]. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. <br /> <br /> Tommy: Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> Doug: One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting, I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. <br /> <br /> Tommy: Yeah.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I think on that note...<br /> <br /> Tommy: [laughs]...on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts are and Lucien, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be involved, if they want to reach out to help? <br /> <br /> Doug: You know what, let me determine what the best address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. <br /> <br /> Lilin: All right. Well, you know to look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that we're all up against.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Thank you for your time today Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug: Thank you so much<br /> <br /> Lilin: Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Hail Satan.<br /> <br /> Doug: Hail Satan, good[cut-off by music]<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;###&lt;/nowiki&gt;</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17103 2024-05-26T00:58:16Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems like common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the Head of Ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, [Lilin: Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. [Tommy:Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; [Tommy: *chuckling*] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former Head of Ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior Head of Ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former Head of Ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> [37:54]<br /> And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. [Tommy: ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> [39:03]<br /> The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> 40:48<br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> Lilin: I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> [42:36]<br /> Doug (interrupting):People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know?Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> Doug (talking over him): That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> [44:00]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> Lilin: I heard that said a lot.<br /> Tommy:This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were given freedom. [Lilin: Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> Doug: They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> Tommy: Yeah. <br /> Doug: So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with. [Tommy: Yeah.] But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> Lilin, sarcastically: Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> Tommy: Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> Doug(interrupting): You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. [Tommy:Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. [Tommy: Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, [Tommy: Leave.] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> Lilin: It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> Tommy: Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> Lilin: And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you== Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can pu== Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]<br /> t it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]<br /> know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17102 2024-05-26T00:49:59Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the Head of Ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, [Lilin: Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. [Tommy:Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; [Tommy: *chuckling*] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former Head of Ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior Head of Ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former Head of Ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> [37:54]<br /> And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. [Tommy: ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> [39:03]<br /> The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> 40:48<br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> Lilin: I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> [42:36]<br /> Doug (interrupting):People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know?Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> Doug (talking over him): That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> [44:00]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> Lilin: I heard that said a lot.<br /> Tommy:This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were given freedom. [Lilin: Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> Doug: They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> Tommy: Yeah. <br /> Doug: So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with. [Tommy: Yeah.] But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> Lilin, sarcastically: Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> Tommy: Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> Doug(interrupting): You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. [Tommy:Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. [Tommy: Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, [Tommy: Leave.] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> Lilin: It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> Tommy: Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> Lilin: And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you== Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can pu== Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]<br /> t it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]<br /> know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17101 2024-05-26T00:07:35Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the Head of Ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No! They started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. <br /> <br /> [33:29]<br /> And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, [Lilin: Mmm.] because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. [Tommy:Yep!] This is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents.<br /> <br /> [34:21]<br /> We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Like, why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; [Tommy: *chuckling*] All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or, kind of hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization, and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former Head of Ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, ''we've'' dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this mass dismissal that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes... So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior Head of Ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it.[''laughs]'' And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former Head of Ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he set up a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Sammael archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our, our- ministry Slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like total ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about and that what had ''really'' happened was that he didn't really remove people from the Ordination Council (but that he had). And that, nonetheless, he had, he claimed that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to ''sell'' us these assets, that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. [''Tommy laughs''] And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now.<br /> <br /> [37:54]<br /> And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still. And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these bullies within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I get messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And yaknow, if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. [Tommy: ''laughs'' Yeah.]<br /> <br /> [39:03]<br /> The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people are- feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I've never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, I, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack, disparage, and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's, yaknow, my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> [''all laugh'']<br /> <br /> 40:48<br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister Slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST. But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of ''any'' organization<br /> and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization, or you start actively planning stuff, against, negative stuff against that organization, you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like, how are you all not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole TST, or EM doesn't equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked anywhere?<br /> <br /> [42:07]<br /> I have to say that was one of the hardest things is- I've tried not to take any position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC, we did hat the SOC did. And my hope was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that, working in the SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And yet at the same time felt very, almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched-<br /> <br /> [42:36]<br /> Doug (interrupting):People are offended that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them '''we own the organization'''. Malcolm and I co-own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives, you know?Pretty much 100% of the time we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me paid.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Yeah, the one thing that I-<br /> <br /> Doug (talking over him): That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is, I think it shows a lack of competence to hold a professional position in an organization like this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that ministers representing us ''at least'' advocate for the organization.<br /> <br /> [44:00]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. And that's not cult behavior.<br /> Lilin: I heard that said a lot.<br /> Tommy:This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I said the same thing. TST is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were given freedom. [Lilin: Mm-hmm] And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> <br /> [44:31]<br /> Doug: They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> Tommy: Yeah. <br /> Doug: So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with. [Tommy: Yeah.] But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job, then you're a little bit off course.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Right. I tried to break it down in other ways. Okay. Let's pretend this isn't TST. Let's pretend this is the children's cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position. And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> Lilin, sarcastically: Even if you're a volunteer, though?<br /> Tommy: Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer. And oh, by the way--<br /> <br /> [45:19]<br /> Doug(interrupting): You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it even less forgivable on their parts. [Tommy:Yeah.] When somebody's working a paid job, they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to look for another job right now. [Tommy: Right.] Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it, and it's not just a paycheck, [Tommy: Leave.] '''just ''go'''''.<br /> <br /> [46:00]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization? Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a, you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so much more than just memes. This is if you think-<br /> Lilin: It was a symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> Tommy: Right. If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> Lilin: And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off, we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest, to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held such esteem for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine. But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak to me.<br /> <br /> [48:18]<br /> Tommy: Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you== Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can pu== Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]<br /> t it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]<br /> know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17100 2024-05-25T23:23:06Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you== Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can pu== Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> [1:00]<br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> [1:51]<br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing.<br /> <br /> [22:53]<br /> And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him- David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists: stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things; still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, The Atlantic wrote an article and The Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancelled for lack of a better term.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [23:57]<br /> Doug: But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about- and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis, as being my pet legal projects that really aren't- don't have anything to do with what TST really is. [Tommy: ''snorts''] And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then- but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our Head of Ministry [note: Penemue, aka [[Greg Stevens]]] under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that, &quot;EM is not TST&quot;. &quot;You don't really answer to Executive Ministry&quot;. You know, &quot;this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them&quot;. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our Head of Ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burnt out on that front. I didn't trust him anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that he should be removed, in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another.<br /> <br /> [25:43]<br /> And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry, was that I had expressed a desire to kind of step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do, and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea, and then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was- their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the fact- in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> <br /> [26:30]<br /> So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent- the recent bombing attempt on our, uh, on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really need to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable, and this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing an ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by fiat, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic.<br /> <br /> Tommy: [more sympathetic noises]<br /> <br /> [28:24]<br /> And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant [Tommy: ''scoffing ''] and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. [Tommy: ''more sycophantic scoffing noises''] You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. [Lilin: Yep] That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. [Tommy: Seems Luke common sense.] So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of knee-jerk response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? [Lilin: Right.] But when I've gone for years by not giving demands to people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do ''anything''. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> <br /> [29:54]<br /> And the time is, is now. There's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fomented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ''ran'' to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [30:45]<br /> Doug: They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, uh, uh, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> <br /> [32:15]<br /> And our Head of Ministry had stepped down at the -first of this month was his last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]<br /> t it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]<br /> know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17099 2024-05-25T22:50:51Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> Lilin: Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, <br /> <br /> Tommy: and Tommy Lavin,<br /> <br /> Lilin: Whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie, our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives, occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned. We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered, and reveal the humanity that unites us all. So grab your favorite chalice and join us on this captivating journey. Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world, one captivating episode at a time.<br /> <br /> [music]<br /> <br /> Tommy: Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door. So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas, you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws, but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know, TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know, why, you know, the whole nine yards. And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> <br /> Doug [Lucien Greaves]: Hey, <br /> <br /> Tommy: So-<br /> <br /> Lilin: I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, <br /> <br /> Tommy: start from the beginning.<br /> <br /> Lilin: I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do, and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote, I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening. So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together. I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone to kind of talk you through all of that. And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across. And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know, [Tommy: bullshit] stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation. And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations that would pop up now and again. You didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support. So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening. So I went in and they had shared a link to a Signal chat. So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was. And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful. They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was division and there was anger towards Executive Ministry. There was a lot of people feeling in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided to share some really...<br /> <br /> Tommy: untasteful<br /> <br /> Lilin: yeah,and just rude. Honestly, it was rude. But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became progressively negative. And ''then'' I started seeing conversations about moving content. Not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about, they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move, and what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people; one of the ones in my own congregation and some of them I've known for quite a while. And I felt really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with Executive Ministry when it came to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen? And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure, excuse me, where to go with it. So-<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well, yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit, look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to also include- I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously, because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it. But I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments. And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry, but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening this year. This is a very heavy election year, a lot of people are already stressed and scared. There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question. Materials being taken from school- it was like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap? There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about you know, what about the tenants''[sic]'' and, you know, EM's obligated to follow these tenants''[sic]'' just like everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with the things? And as this all unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien, I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later- it seemed, had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste, I thought: it was, you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And, you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of the tenants''[sic]'' and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well, what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions. Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> <br /> Tommy: You shared what you saw with EM.<br /> <br /> [18:06]<br /> Lilin: with EM and I- and I wanted to know, you know- I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just suddenly get a wild hare and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after people for the hell of it. So- so I wrote this out in the hopes that- and in the spirit that, it would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no transparency. And I felt the onus was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals were brought to EM's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said, here's what I saw, presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words. I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't some wild, you know, [Tommy interrupts indistinctly] off the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up. I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So, you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,you know, granted people have every right to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't begrudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. <br /> <br /> [9:36]<br /> Tommy: Well, and I, I would jump in with one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this ''only'' within the TST community. <br /> <br /> Lilin: Yes, it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister Slack, um, which is only to ministry and congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited, so only people that could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should- not should. I should not say that. People that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. <br /> <br /> [10:21]<br /> Tommy: Right. So I wasn't blasted all over Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> <br /> [10:28]<br /> Lilin: Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll let you speak for yourself. <br /> <br /> [10:34]<br /> Doug: Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most proximate events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most proximately, I got these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how they've outgrown TST and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this year. We weren't having SatanCon, that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently, the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was ''extremely'' ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged with reproductive rights, After School Satan club or any of these things if they don't have an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues, especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Mmm.<br /> <br /> [12:05]<br /> And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under. This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working with people who identify as ministers professionally, acting this unprofessional in saying these types of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it either seemed insane to work with that kind of people. Like, people who would actually discourage one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of.<br /> <br /> [13:17]<br /> So I sent out a letter to this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back. And the point of this message that, or this reply to me, was that the real problem here- and I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the verbatim, but the real problem was my, my ignorant removal from the real day to day &quot;boots on the ground&quot; of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this. You got to go.<br /> <br /> [13:46]<br /> And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up. And I knew that would cause an uproar because I have never done that kind of thing before.<br /> <br /> [13:59]<br /> And you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator. But you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position in representing us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was- or having outgrown the organization, I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And that's why I kind of took the effort of posting my grievances because I feel like part of the issue here- and it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response.<br /> <br /> [15:02]<br /> But I feel like this comes after ''years'' of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat, that if I make any move that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I am or make any type- or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest, it ''has'' prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, Executive Ministry had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of remove from it because we realized earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues, their own pet projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [16:09]<br /> Doug: If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean, if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical, tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate to fire the minister [Lilin:Mm-hmm] and that's what it is.<br /> <br /> [16:56]<br /> And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they ''still'' managed to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. ''We'' ignore it. And when I think things really started to fall apart was last SatanCon in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects, the project almost becomes its own schism.<br /> <br /> Lilin: Mm-hmm.<br /> <br /> [18:11]<br /> Doug: And we had first our- our first SatanCon in Scottsdale, not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then, you know, the last one was 2023. And the Scottsdale one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have SatanCon in Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts. And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that will go in our favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all about pushing us out and not even listening to the arguments and acting very, very rash and not proper behaviour for a judge. And we felt there was a real lack of media coverage regarding that.<br /> <br /> [19:26]<br /> So when we were putting together SatanCon, we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we had speakers and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea one day to the next, what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> [20:26]<br /> So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the performance that was completely off script as far as we knew, it wasn't run past us. And there was a Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen? Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. Think what you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with &quot;All Cops Are Bastards&quot; type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with the Salem PD in preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. [Tommy: yup] And the Salem PD is good enough oftentimes- park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship. The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the matter between life or death for us. [Tommy: Uh-huh] And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> <br /> [22:15]<br /> And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was, I felt, very prevalent in SatanCon, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing. You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me, great crowd, great audience, showed up to Satanic Planet and things like that. And it was it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this palpable anti-me, anti-EM sense going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was really developing. And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him David Silverman, the former head of American Atheists, I stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in these things still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to harrangue me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed them. And ultimately, the Atlantic wrote an article and the Atlantic was not really, I don't think,on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancel for lack of a better turn. But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people talking about and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on on a daily basis as being my pet legal projects that really aren't don't have anything to do with what TST really is. And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having respect for what you do. And then, but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people, people began to throw our head of ministry under the bus and say that he was really fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was that E.M. is not TST. You don't really answer to executive ministry. You know, this is, this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them. And it's a very kind of divisive message. And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our head of ministry for a while. And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I let it be known that my trust was completely burned out on that front. I didn't trust them anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that it should be removed in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another. And I feel like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry was that I had expressed a desire to step out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do and assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea. And then trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so very irresponsible. And it was their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the way they talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with. So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount of work coming up. And then we had our recent the recent bombing attempt on our on our headquarters. And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me I really mean to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be impenetrable in this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able to lend guidance to people rather than forcing in ethos upon them, bringing people to certain revelations rather than dictating to them by the odds, because I don't feel that's terribly satanic. And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant and that being unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between running an organization and running a nation. You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to demand that there's Satanists. That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the nature of doing fucking things. So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always going towards this kind of meager response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? But when I've gone for years by knocking demands people, not even having contact and interaction with them, not telling them to do anything. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints, claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward. And the time is now, there's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been fermented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened, since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ran to post it on Reddit, the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support. It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other people. They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative, dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors. But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them, or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long. And our head of ministry had stepped down at the first of this month was this last day in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister, and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards, that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents. And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is. Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane, and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link, which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry. And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that, of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended, and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time, which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that. So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did, he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation now. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you, if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers, really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things. And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house. The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten. And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way? Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position, they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real. And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message future of productive going forward in TST.<br /> <br /> Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17092 2024-05-24T23:28:58Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Transcript */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> [00:00:00.000 --&gt; 00:00:05.760] Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, where your host, Lilin Lavin, and Tommy Lavin,<br /> [00:00:05.760 --&gt; 00:00:09.920] whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie,<br /> [00:00:09.920 --&gt; 00:00:15.900] our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives,<br /> [00:00:15.900 --&gt; 00:00:21.160] occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned.<br /> [00:00:21.160 --&gt; 00:00:26.240] We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered,<br /> [00:00:26.240 --&gt; 00:00:28.760] and reveal the humanity that unites us all.<br /> [00:00:28.760 --&gt; 00:00:32.760] So grab your favorite shallots and join us on this captivating journey.<br /> [00:00:32.760 --&gt; 00:00:37.320] Satanists Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world,<br /> [00:00:37.320 --&gt; 00:00:39.760] one captivating episode at a time.<br /> [00:00:39.760 --&gt; 00:01:03.320] Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanists Next Door.<br /> [00:01:03.320 --&gt; 00:01:10.160] So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas,<br /> [00:01:10.160 --&gt; 00:01:15.160] you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know,<br /> [00:01:15.160 --&gt; 00:01:19.400] the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws,<br /> [00:01:19.400 --&gt; 00:01:26.320] but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know,<br /> [00:01:26.320 --&gt; 00:01:35.120] TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know,<br /> [00:01:35.120 --&gt; 00:01:38.680] why, you know, the whole nine yards.<br /> [00:01:38.680 --&gt; 00:01:43.560] And with us to help us do this, we have Lucien. Hey, Lucien.<br /> [00:01:43.560 --&gt; 00:01:51.600] Hey, so I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, start from the beginning.<br /> [00:01:51.600 --&gt; 00:01:57.160] I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do,<br /> [00:01:57.160 --&gt; 00:02:01.720] and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote,<br /> [00:02:01.720 --&gt; 00:02:06.400] I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily<br /> [00:02:06.400 --&gt; 00:02:12.400] in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening.<br /> [00:02:12.400 --&gt; 00:02:17.760] So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together.<br /> [00:02:17.760 --&gt; 00:02:22.280] I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone<br /> [00:02:22.280 --&gt; 00:02:24.440] to kind of talk you through all of that.<br /> [00:02:24.440 --&gt; 00:02:32.400] And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across.<br /> [00:02:32.400 --&gt; 00:02:36.800] And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know,<br /> [00:02:36.800 --&gt; 00:02:44.320] still a stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation.<br /> [00:02:44.320 --&gt; 00:02:49.680] And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations<br /> [00:02:49.680 --&gt; 00:02:53.360] that would pop up. Now and again, you didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things<br /> [00:02:53.360 --&gt; 00:02:58.720] that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really<br /> [00:02:58.720 --&gt; 00:03:02.880] didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support.<br /> [00:03:02.880 --&gt; 00:03:06.800] So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening.<br /> [00:03:06.800 --&gt; 00:03:10.880] So I went in and they had shared a link to a signal chat.<br /> [00:03:10.880 --&gt; 00:03:15.600] So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was.<br /> [00:03:15.600 --&gt; 00:03:21.120] And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor<br /> [00:03:21.120 --&gt; 00:03:27.440] of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful.<br /> [00:03:27.440 --&gt; 00:03:32.080] They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was<br /> [00:03:32.080 --&gt; 00:03:38.160] division and there was anger towards executive ministry. There was a lot of people feeling<br /> [00:03:38.160 --&gt; 00:03:41.920] in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided<br /> [00:03:41.920 --&gt; 00:03:48.080] to share some really, yeah, it just tasteful and just rude. Honestly, it was rude.<br /> [00:03:48.080 --&gt; 00:03:52.480] But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right<br /> [00:03:52.480 --&gt; 00:03:55.760] to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became<br /> [00:03:55.760 --&gt; 00:04:01.280] progressively negative. And then I started seeing conversations about moving content,<br /> [00:04:01.280 --&gt; 00:04:06.320] not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about,<br /> [00:04:06.320 --&gt; 00:04:12.480] they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they<br /> [00:04:12.480 --&gt; 00:04:16.400] did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move,<br /> [00:04:16.400 --&gt; 00:04:21.680] what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people,<br /> [00:04:21.680 --&gt; 00:04:26.400] one of the ones in my own congregation and some of that I've known for quite a while. And I felt<br /> [00:04:26.400 --&gt; 00:04:31.840] really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these<br /> [00:04:31.840 --&gt; 00:04:36.880] folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what<br /> [00:04:36.880 --&gt; 00:04:41.200] to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with executive ministry when it came<br /> [00:04:41.200 --&gt; 00:04:46.560] to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen?<br /> [00:04:46.560 --&gt; 00:04:51.280] And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not<br /> [00:04:51.280 --&gt; 00:04:56.080] lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure,<br /> [00:04:56.080 --&gt; 00:04:58.800] excuse me, where to go with it. So,<br /> [00:04:59.440 --&gt; 00:05:02.240] well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> [00:05:02.240 --&gt; 00:05:07.440] Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things,<br /> [00:05:07.440 --&gt; 00:05:12.320] and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how<br /> [00:05:12.320 --&gt; 00:05:18.880] much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well,<br /> [00:05:18.880 --&gt; 00:05:24.640] yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened,<br /> [00:05:24.640 --&gt; 00:05:30.560] then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit,<br /> [00:05:30.560 --&gt; 00:05:34.400] look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this<br /> [00:05:34.400 --&gt; 00:05:41.360] situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to<br /> [00:05:41.360 --&gt; 00:05:45.920] also include. I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations<br /> [00:05:45.920 --&gt; 00:05:50.160] with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously,<br /> [00:05:50.160 --&gt; 00:05:54.080] because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it.<br /> [00:05:54.080 --&gt; 00:05:58.000] That I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments.<br /> [00:05:58.000 --&gt; 00:06:04.560] And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry,<br /> [00:06:04.560 --&gt; 00:06:10.400] but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening<br /> [00:06:10.400 --&gt; 00:06:14.880] this year. This is a very heavy election year. A lot of people are already stressed and scared.<br /> [00:06:14.880 --&gt; 00:06:20.320] There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird<br /> [00:06:20.320 --&gt; 00:06:23.920] stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question.<br /> [00:06:23.920 --&gt; 00:06:29.200] Materials being taken from school is like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap?<br /> [00:06:29.200 --&gt; 00:06:33.680] There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated<br /> [00:06:33.680 --&gt; 00:06:40.400] with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this<br /> [00:06:40.400 --&gt; 00:06:44.800] all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about,<br /> [00:06:44.800 --&gt; 00:06:48.880] you know, what about the tenants and, you know, EMs obligated to follow these tenants just like<br /> [00:06:48.880 --&gt; 00:06:54.240] everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with<br /> [00:06:54.240 --&gt; 00:07:00.320] the things? And as this hall unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that<br /> [00:07:00.320 --&gt; 00:07:08.240] made the memes and Lucien. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucien,<br /> [00:07:08.240 --&gt; 00:07:11.680] I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later. It seemed<br /> [00:07:11.680 --&gt; 00:07:17.120] had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious<br /> [00:07:17.120 --&gt; 00:07:22.400] nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste. I thought it was,<br /> [00:07:22.400 --&gt; 00:07:28.400] you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people<br /> [00:07:28.400 --&gt; 00:07:32.160] are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And,<br /> [00:07:32.160 --&gt; 00:07:36.560] you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of<br /> [00:07:36.560 --&gt; 00:07:40.400] the tenants and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well,<br /> [00:07:40.400 --&gt; 00:07:45.360] what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get<br /> [00:07:45.360 --&gt; 00:07:49.120] heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions.<br /> [00:07:49.120 --&gt; 00:07:54.000] Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it<br /> [00:07:54.000 --&gt; 00:07:59.520] to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> [00:07:59.520 --&gt; 00:08:06.080] And we share you shared what you saw with the M with the M and I and I wanted to know, you know,<br /> [00:08:06.080 --&gt; 00:08:09.920] I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid<br /> [00:08:09.920 --&gt; 00:08:14.560] witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just<br /> [00:08:14.560 --&gt; 00:08:19.520] suddenly get a wild hair and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after<br /> [00:08:19.520 --&gt; 00:08:24.880] people for the hell of it. So so I wrote this out in the hopes that and in the spirit that it<br /> [00:08:24.880 --&gt; 00:08:29.280] would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no<br /> [00:08:29.280 --&gt; 00:08:35.200] transparency. And I felt the oneness was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals<br /> [00:08:35.200 --&gt; 00:08:41.040] were brought to Am's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said,<br /> [00:08:41.040 --&gt; 00:08:46.000] here's what I saw presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words.<br /> [00:08:46.000 --&gt; 00:08:50.720] I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based<br /> [00:08:50.720 --&gt; 00:08:55.760] on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't<br /> [00:08:55.760 --&gt; 00:09:02.160] some wild, you know, the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up.<br /> [00:09:02.160 --&gt; 00:09:07.280] I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about<br /> [00:09:07.280 --&gt; 00:09:13.840] so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So,<br /> [00:09:13.840 --&gt; 00:09:19.200] you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it<br /> [00:09:19.200 --&gt; 00:09:23.680] to Lucien to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,<br /> [00:09:23.680 --&gt; 00:09:27.120] you know, granted people have ever had to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't be<br /> [00:09:27.120 --&gt; 00:09:31.760] grudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I<br /> [00:09:31.760 --&gt; 00:09:37.760] actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. Well, and I, I would jump in with<br /> [00:09:37.760 --&gt; 00:09:45.120] one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this only within the TST community. So,<br /> [00:09:45.120 --&gt; 00:09:49.840] it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister slack, um, which is only<br /> [00:09:49.840 --&gt; 00:09:55.440] two ministry and a congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited. So only people that<br /> [00:09:55.440 --&gt; 00:10:01.120] could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made<br /> [00:10:01.120 --&gt; 00:10:06.400] downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should not should.<br /> [00:10:06.400 --&gt; 00:10:12.640] I should not say that people that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of<br /> [00:10:12.640 --&gt; 00:10:18.240] parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come<br /> [00:10:18.240 --&gt; 00:10:22.960] to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. Right. So I wasn't blasted all over<br /> [00:10:22.960 --&gt; 00:10:27.840] Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> [00:10:27.840 --&gt; 00:10:32.560] Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucien, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll<br /> [00:10:32.560 --&gt; 00:10:37.840] let you speak for yourself. Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most approximate<br /> [00:10:37.840 --&gt; 00:10:43.920] events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most approximately, I got<br /> [00:10:43.920 --&gt; 00:10:50.880] these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how<br /> [00:10:50.880 --&gt; 00:10:58.400] they've outgrown TSD and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't<br /> [00:10:58.400 --&gt; 00:11:06.240] do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this<br /> [00:11:06.240 --&gt; 00:11:11.200] year. We weren't having Satan Khan that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently,<br /> [00:11:11.200 --&gt; 00:11:20.080] the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was<br /> [00:11:20.080 --&gt; 00:11:26.800] extremely ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the<br /> [00:11:26.800 --&gt; 00:11:32.960] things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general<br /> [00:11:32.960 --&gt; 00:11:38.080] when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged<br /> [00:11:38.080 --&gt; 00:11:43.440] with reproductive rights after school, state and club or any of these things if they don't have<br /> [00:11:43.440 --&gt; 00:11:50.160] an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues,<br /> [00:11:50.160 --&gt; 00:11:58.000] especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice<br /> [00:11:58.000 --&gt; 00:12:05.040] and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> [00:12:05.040 --&gt; 00:12:11.680] And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my<br /> [00:12:11.680 --&gt; 00:12:16.800] grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under.<br /> [00:12:16.800 --&gt; 00:12:23.520] This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working<br /> [00:12:23.520 --&gt; 00:12:30.800] with people who identify as ministers professionally acting this unprofessional in saying these types<br /> [00:12:30.800 --&gt; 00:12:36.800] of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership<br /> [00:12:36.800 --&gt; 00:12:42.480] fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together<br /> [00:12:42.480 --&gt; 00:12:48.640] and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking<br /> [00:12:48.640 --&gt; 00:12:55.040] my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it<br /> [00:12:55.040 --&gt; 00:13:03.040] either seemed insane to work with that kind of people like people who would actually discourage<br /> [00:13:03.040 --&gt; 00:13:11.200] one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to<br /> [00:13:11.200 --&gt; 00:13:18.480] work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of. So I sent out letters<br /> [00:13:18.480 --&gt; 00:13:24.240] in this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back in the point of this<br /> [00:13:24.240 --&gt; 00:13:30.400] message that this reply to me was at the real problem here. And I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember<br /> [00:13:30.400 --&gt; 00:13:37.680] the verbatim, but the real problem was my ignorant removal from the real day to day boots on the<br /> [00:13:37.680 --&gt; 00:13:46.080] ground of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this.<br /> [00:13:46.080 --&gt; 00:13:53.280] You got to go. And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up.<br /> [00:13:53.280 --&gt; 00:13:59.600] And I knew that would cause enough work because I have never done that kind of thing before. And<br /> [00:13:59.600 --&gt; 00:14:05.280] you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator,<br /> [00:14:05.280 --&gt; 00:14:10.240] but you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a<br /> [00:14:10.240 --&gt; 00:14:16.640] character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position and representing<br /> [00:14:16.640 --&gt; 00:14:22.640] us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and<br /> [00:14:22.640 --&gt; 00:14:27.680] the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was or having<br /> [00:14:27.680 --&gt; 00:14:32.560] outgrown the organization. I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave<br /> [00:14:32.560 --&gt; 00:14:39.280] the organization. And the subject heading of the email I had sent said invitation to leave. And I<br /> [00:14:39.280 --&gt; 00:14:46.480] know that these things will be posted publicly. So I kind of gave the go ahead in advance. And<br /> [00:14:46.480 --&gt; 00:14:52.080] that's why I kind of took the effort of losing my grievances because I feel like part of the<br /> [00:14:52.080 --&gt; 00:14:57.360] issue here. And it's the reason I'm talking about this tonight. I mean, people will say I'm just<br /> [00:14:57.360 --&gt; 00:15:03.120] being provocative and that I'm just going to cause more negative response. But I feel like this comes<br /> [00:15:03.120 --&gt; 00:15:11.120] after years of feeling held hostage by a group of people under the threat that if I make any move<br /> [00:15:11.120 --&gt; 00:15:16.400] that they disagree with, they're going to go wide to the public with what an abusive character I<br /> [00:15:16.400 --&gt; 00:15:22.320] am or make any type or any number of accusations. And we've seen it happen before. And to be honest,<br /> [00:15:22.320 --&gt; 00:15:30.160] it has prevented us from doing a lot of things before. And in fact, by design, executive ministry<br /> [00:15:30.160 --&gt; 00:15:37.760] had not been managing the ministry. We've been at a state of removed from it because we realized<br /> [00:15:37.760 --&gt; 00:15:44.080] earlier on that the Satanic Temple had a real problem of people coming in and wanting to change<br /> [00:15:44.080 --&gt; 00:15:51.600] the organization to fit their needs. If they wanted to be focused on other political issues,<br /> [00:15:51.600 --&gt; 00:15:59.360] their own projects, they want the kind of latitude to speak in the name of the organization<br /> [00:15:59.360 --&gt; 00:16:05.280] without a focus message that we might agree upon. And I just don't think the organization could<br /> [00:16:05.280 --&gt; 00:16:10.160] survive in that way. And I don't think intelligent people would want to be part of the organization.<br /> [00:16:10.160 --&gt; 00:16:16.720] If they had to worry that in no case, and it's do we take a stance of institutional neutrality and<br /> [00:16:16.720 --&gt; 00:16:21.360] act more like a religion where we guide people generally on their ethics and provide a sense<br /> [00:16:21.360 --&gt; 00:16:27.840] of community for them, rather than dictating the minutia of what they think. So, I mean,<br /> [00:16:27.840 --&gt; 00:16:33.120] if you want to talk about dictatorship, I think it's more than just a matter of the single person<br /> [00:16:33.120 --&gt; 00:16:39.360] in charge against a body of people because sometimes the mob can act in a very hypocritical,<br /> [00:16:39.360 --&gt; 00:16:44.640] tyrannical way themselves. And I think we were dealing with a mob of people who really wanted to<br /> [00:16:44.640 --&gt; 00:16:54.160] dictate the fine granular details of everybody's belief. So, I felt it was entirely appropriate<br /> [00:16:54.160 --&gt; 00:17:00.880] to fire the minister and that's what it is. And honestly, at that point, I was inviting more<br /> [00:17:00.880 --&gt; 00:17:08.080] resignations because I felt we had really developed a negative culture in which people coming in<br /> [00:17:08.080 --&gt; 00:17:13.680] to our ministry were immediately adopted into this culture where it's understood that they're<br /> [00:17:13.680 --&gt; 00:17:20.240] at war with EM. And I've always done my best to consider the other side and to assume that I'm<br /> [00:17:20.240 --&gt; 00:17:25.760] wrong and try to look at it from the other point of view. But at the point where we've been so long<br /> [00:17:25.760 --&gt; 00:17:32.960] now in a position where EM has not been making any demands of anybody, has not been dictating<br /> [00:17:32.960 --&gt; 00:17:40.400] anything, and everybody signed on to the standards they agree to in advance. And they still managed<br /> [00:17:40.400 --&gt; 00:17:47.120] to attack me, to attack my livelihood, and suggest they want to overthrow EM. And it's been happening<br /> [00:17:47.120 --&gt; 00:17:52.960] for a long time. And I ignore it for the most part. We ignore it. And when I think things really<br /> [00:17:52.960 --&gt; 00:18:02.640] started to fall apart was Last Satan Khan in Boston, EM decided that we wanted to throw a convention<br /> [00:18:02.640 --&gt; 00:18:07.840] for everybody. So we delegate people to do that. And as so often happens with these projects,<br /> [00:18:07.840 --&gt; 00:18:15.440] the project almost becomes its own schism. And we had first our first Satan Khan in Scottsdale,<br /> [00:18:15.440 --&gt; 00:18:24.480] not long after the pandemic, I guess 2022. And then the last one was 2023. And in Scottsdale,<br /> [00:18:24.480 --&gt; 00:18:29.600] one I didn't go to, but we chose Scottsdale because we had a lawsuit in Scottsdale and we wanted to<br /> [00:18:29.600 --&gt; 00:18:34.800] bring attention onto that whole issue that we're dealing with there. And I won't bother to go into<br /> [00:18:34.800 --&gt; 00:18:41.040] that because that's superfluous detail. But Boston was similar. We wanted to have the Satan Khan in<br /> [00:18:41.040 --&gt; 00:18:49.040] Boston because we thought it could help bring people's attention to problems we're having with<br /> [00:18:49.040 --&gt; 00:18:54.640] Boston and its discrimination against us as a minority religion. We feel like it really hasn't<br /> [00:18:54.640 --&gt; 00:19:00.160] gotten enough media attention. We feel like our rights were openly being violated in the courts.<br /> [00:19:00.160 --&gt; 00:19:03.360] And now we're doing much better in the appeal courts. And it looks like that would go in our<br /> [00:19:03.360 --&gt; 00:19:10.400] favor. But in the lower court, the judge was all by pushing us out and not even listening to the<br /> [00:19:10.400 --&gt; 00:19:23.760] arguments and acting very, very rash and not properly behaved for a judge. And we felt there<br /> [00:19:23.760 --&gt; 00:19:31.200] was a real lack of media coverage regarding that. So when we were putting together Satan Khan,<br /> [00:19:31.200 --&gt; 00:19:39.040] we wanted to agree on what the kind of message was going to be behind it. And that message included<br /> [00:19:39.040 --&gt; 00:19:45.440] the fact that Boston had treated us that way. That's why we were there. And we've had speakers<br /> [00:19:45.440 --&gt; 00:19:50.880] and they have had these different events and everything. But we wanted to have some kind of<br /> [00:19:50.880 --&gt; 00:19:55.680] vetting process as to what the public message would be. I work under parameters when I'm<br /> [00:19:55.680 --&gt; 00:20:02.160] speaking on behalf of the Satanic Temple. And yet it seems like a lot of people have the idea<br /> [00:20:02.160 --&gt; 00:20:07.920] that when they speak on behalf of the Satanic Temple, they should be able to say whatever they<br /> [00:20:07.920 --&gt; 00:20:15.360] want. And it's nothing but tyranny to tell them otherwise. But there again, you have to consider<br /> [00:20:15.360 --&gt; 00:20:21.600] there's a certain tyranny and the idea of identifying yourself with something and having no idea<br /> [00:20:21.600 --&gt; 00:20:26.960] one day to the next what somebody's going to say in its name and how that will reflect upon you.<br /> [00:20:26.960 --&gt; 00:20:32.320] So we were really disappointed when in front of all the media, they decided to go with the<br /> [00:20:32.320 --&gt; 00:20:38.400] performance that was completely off script as far as we knew it wasn't run past us. And there was a<br /> [00:20:38.400 --&gt; 00:20:44.640] Bible torn up and a Blue Lives Matter flag was torn up. And we wondered how did this happen?<br /> [00:20:44.640 --&gt; 00:20:50.240] Nobody told us this would happen. And when we sent a letter to some of the people involved with<br /> [00:20:50.240 --&gt; 00:20:57.040] that and said that it was not, you know, it was not in our best interest to do that. I think what<br /> [00:20:57.040 --&gt; 00:21:04.080] you will of the police, but it's in our best interest to not get involved with all cops, our<br /> [00:21:04.080 --&gt; 00:21:11.280] bastards type of protest or ripping a Blue Lives Matter's flag. Because we work very closely with<br /> [00:21:11.280 --&gt; 00:21:18.320] the Salem PD and preserving our fucking lives on a day to day basis. And the Salem PD is good<br /> [00:21:18.320 --&gt; 00:21:24.880] enough. Oftentimes park a car directly across from our headquarters. They contact us right away if<br /> [00:21:24.880 --&gt; 00:21:31.440] anything's wrong. They show up immediately and we don't want anything to damage that relationship.<br /> [00:21:31.440 --&gt; 00:21:36.720] The relationship was already strong enough that when it turned out we were on Fox News ripping<br /> [00:21:36.720 --&gt; 00:21:42.160] up a Blue Lives Matter flag, we were actually asked about that. And we were given the opportunity<br /> [00:21:42.160 --&gt; 00:21:51.120] to say that really wasn't us. And you know, it's scary to us. Like if you give somebody a reason<br /> [00:21:51.120 --&gt; 00:21:57.600] to wait an extra 30 seconds or fill another cup of coffee before coming to HQ, that could be the<br /> [00:21:57.600 --&gt; 00:22:04.240] matter between life or death for us. And I think we made that clear in our letter to them. And<br /> [00:22:04.240 --&gt; 00:22:10.240] they actually, some of them got back to us, very offended that we had the audacity to suggest<br /> [00:22:10.240 --&gt; 00:22:14.960] that we could put words in their mouths, that we could do such a thing, that we could say this.<br /> [00:22:14.960 --&gt; 00:22:23.520] And kind of a negativity against the management of TST, the idea of EM was I felt very prevalent<br /> [00:22:23.520 --&gt; 00:22:29.520] in Satan Khan, at least from people who had been organizing in upper levels, that kind of thing.<br /> [00:22:29.520 --&gt; 00:22:34.960] You know, a lot of the attendees, of course, were happy to see me got pictures with me,<br /> [00:22:34.960 --&gt; 00:22:40.080] great crowd, great audience showed up to see Canic Planet and things like that. And it was,<br /> [00:22:40.080 --&gt; 00:22:45.120] it was really great to see that happening. But there was also just this helpful<br /> [00:22:45.120 --&gt; 00:22:51.760] anti-ME, anti-EM sets going on. And I could feel it at the time. And I felt like something was<br /> [00:22:51.760 --&gt; 00:22:57.840] really developing. And I feel like what did develop was that eventual outrage<br /> [00:22:57.840 --&gt; 00:23:03.200] of me being caught in a picture with a known transphobe as they referred to him.<br /> [00:23:03.200 --&gt; 00:23:10.800] David Silverman, the former head of American atheist, I stopped in the Satanic Temple, got a<br /> [00:23:10.800 --&gt; 00:23:15.760] picture with me at the Baphomet. And next thing I knew, everybody was pissed off because they're<br /> [00:23:15.760 --&gt; 00:23:21.440] telling me that he's now a known transphobe. And I really had no idea what his positions are in<br /> [00:23:21.440 --&gt; 00:23:26.880] these things still haven't even bothered to look it up or ask him about it in light of all his<br /> [00:23:26.880 --&gt; 00:23:34.800] controversy. But ministers in particular made a public display of really trying to<br /> [00:23:34.800 --&gt; 00:23:42.240] orang me, harass me, push me out of the organization because I was in this picture and it had embarrassed<br /> [00:23:42.240 --&gt; 00:23:50.320] them. And ultimately, the Atlantic wrote an article and the Atlantic was not really, I don't think,<br /> [00:23:50.320 --&gt; 00:23:56.080] on the side of the people who were trying to have me cancel for lack of a better<br /> [00:23:56.080 --&gt; 00:24:03.040] turn. But that didn't cause any introspection with people. I think they still held on this narrative<br /> [00:24:03.040 --&gt; 00:24:08.000] that somehow I'm embarrassing, somehow I've gotten out of hand. And even I had seen people<br /> [00:24:08.000 --&gt; 00:24:13.840] talking about and still see people talking about our legal battles, campaigns, the things I work on<br /> [00:24:13.840 --&gt; 00:24:21.360] on a daily basis as being my pet legal projects that really aren't don't have anything to do<br /> [00:24:21.360 --&gt; 00:24:29.440] with what TSC really is. And I felt like that was so weird because it goes beyond not having<br /> [00:24:29.440 --&gt; 00:24:35.280] respect for what you do. And then, but it's too much to ask and not have open disrespect<br /> [00:24:35.280 --&gt; 00:24:41.200] heaped upon you. And as we kind of, as I kind of talked about these things with people,<br /> [00:24:41.200 --&gt; 00:24:46.400] people began to throw our head of ministry under the bus and say that he was really<br /> [00:24:46.400 --&gt; 00:24:53.040] fomenting these types of feelings and that the message they were getting more often than not was<br /> [00:24:53.040 --&gt; 00:25:00.720] that E.M. is not T.S. team. You don't really answer to executive ministry. You know, this is,<br /> [00:25:00.720 --&gt; 00:25:06.640] this is bigger than that. It's bigger than them. And it's a very kind of divisive message.<br /> [00:25:06.640 --&gt; 00:25:12.080] And to be completely honest, I was getting really pissed with our head of ministry for a while.<br /> [00:25:12.080 --&gt; 00:25:18.800] And I was recommending his removal. And I was having a difficult time for a while convincing<br /> [00:25:18.800 --&gt; 00:25:25.040] others of that. And it carried on for a while. But I had stopped having communication with them. I<br /> [00:25:25.040 --&gt; 00:25:31.280] let it be known that my trust was completely burned out on that front. I didn't trust them<br /> [00:25:31.280 --&gt; 00:25:37.360] anymore. And I wasn't going to I wasn't going to work with him. And I felt that it should be<br /> [00:25:37.360 --&gt; 00:25:44.800] removed in order to help try to build a culture in which we didn't attack one another. And I feel<br /> [00:25:44.800 --&gt; 00:25:52.080] like some of what really got some of the wolves hungry was that I had expressed a desire to step<br /> [00:25:52.080 --&gt; 00:25:57.520] out of my position. That is something I would really love if I had ever been able to do and<br /> [00:25:57.520 --&gt; 00:26:04.640] assign somebody else. But it was, you know, everybody was ravenous, I think, over that idea. And then<br /> [00:26:04.640 --&gt; 00:26:10.960] trying to prove my general worthlessness to try to insert themselves. And I felt like it was so<br /> [00:26:10.960 --&gt; 00:26:18.320] very irresponsible. And it was their opinion seemed to shift with whatever wins were blowing at the<br /> [00:26:18.320 --&gt; 00:26:24.560] time that honestly, I didn't think they could they could handle the job. And in the way they<br /> [00:26:24.560 --&gt; 00:26:30.160] talked about it, I think showed that they didn't quite understand what the job was to begin with.<br /> [00:26:30.160 --&gt; 00:26:36.800] So this was kind of the backdrop leading up to all this. And we have these cases going and we have<br /> [00:26:36.800 --&gt; 00:26:44.640] these threats against us. And we had, you know, we've had an intense amount, an incredible amount<br /> [00:26:44.640 --&gt; 00:26:51.360] of work coming up. And then we had our recent the recent bombing attempt on our on our headquarters.<br /> [00:26:51.360 --&gt; 00:26:57.600] And I found myself in consultation with people from all different branches of law enforcement<br /> [00:26:57.600 --&gt; 00:27:02.000] while they're investigating this case, trying to find out who was trying to kill us. And all the<br /> [00:27:02.000 --&gt; 00:27:06.560] while, they're not telling me what they're turning up in the investigation, but they're telling me<br /> [00:27:06.560 --&gt; 00:27:12.640] I really mean to make serious efforts to preserve my life. You know, they're talking about security<br /> [00:27:12.640 --&gt; 00:27:18.640] measures and talking about me getting a trained dog and things like that. And so I'm wondering<br /> [00:27:18.640 --&gt; 00:27:23.920] what they know. I'm really concerned in all the while. I'm getting shit on like this. I'm getting<br /> [00:27:23.920 --&gt; 00:27:32.720] messages of support from people on the outside. And I'm seeing this on the inside. And I also<br /> [00:27:32.720 --&gt; 00:27:38.560] knew that there was a growing presence of people from the outside who have been messaging us all<br /> [00:27:38.560 --&gt; 00:27:43.840] along in saying that they had found this culture of ours, this internal culture of ours to be<br /> [00:27:44.400 --&gt; 00:27:51.600] impenetrable in this kind of isolated friend group in which these kinds of demands of polarized<br /> [00:27:51.600 --&gt; 00:27:56.720] politics came into play. And if you didn't, and if you were in some kind of disagreement with<br /> [00:27:56.720 --&gt; 00:28:01.680] any small point on these things, you would be pushed out. And I felt like that was not really<br /> [00:28:01.680 --&gt; 00:28:08.160] becoming of ministerial conduct. And people should be acting diplomatically. And they should be able<br /> [00:28:08.160 --&gt; 00:28:15.280] to lend guidance to people rather than forcing in ethos upon them, bringing people to certain<br /> [00:28:15.280 --&gt; 00:28:22.400] revelations rather than dictating to them by the odds, because I don't feel that's terribly<br /> [00:28:22.400 --&gt; 00:28:30.240] satanic. And when, you know, and on that issue, you know, me being a tyrant and that being<br /> [00:28:30.240 --&gt; 00:28:35.600] unsatanic and making these demands, I think we're going to have to make the distinction between<br /> [00:28:35.600 --&gt; 00:28:40.880] running an organization and running a nation. You know, if we were running a nation, and we have a<br /> [00:28:40.880 --&gt; 00:28:46.160] population of people and we were running a diverse pluralism, it would be completely out of line to<br /> [00:28:46.160 --&gt; 00:28:51.920] demand that there's Satanists. That would be the opposite of religious liberty. If you are an<br /> [00:28:51.920 --&gt; 00:28:57.600] organization of Satanist fighting for religious liberty and fighting for pluralism, it's not also<br /> [00:28:57.600 --&gt; 00:29:04.400] fascistic to demand that that is what you do. And that is what you identify with. That's just the<br /> [00:29:04.400 --&gt; 00:29:11.600] nature of doing fucking things. So those are the lines drawn. You're either going to be<br /> [00:29:11.600 --&gt; 00:29:19.840] a part of this and want to work with this or not. And the thing is, as I said, I was always<br /> [00:29:19.840 --&gt; 00:29:28.080] going towards this kind of meager response of my own to assume that I'm wrong, right? But when<br /> [00:29:28.080 --&gt; 00:29:33.360] I've gone for years by knocking demands people, not even having contact and interaction with them,<br /> [00:29:33.360 --&gt; 00:29:39.280] not telling them to do anything. And yet, they're still making the same kind of complaints,<br /> [00:29:39.280 --&gt; 00:29:43.920] claiming that I'm difficult to work with when they've never heard from me at all. It owes me<br /> [00:29:43.920 --&gt; 00:29:49.120] that these complaints are going to happen one way or the other. And we really have to just make<br /> [00:29:49.120 --&gt; 00:29:54.960] sure we're working with people who want to work with us, or we're never going to move forward.<br /> [00:29:54.960 --&gt; 00:30:00.800] And the time is now, there's just too much to do. There's too much to be done. I see too many<br /> [00:30:00.800 --&gt; 00:30:06.560] people who have wanted to be volunteers, saying they've been pushed away. I know too many people<br /> [00:30:06.560 --&gt; 00:30:13.280] who have resigned from TST because of this kind of internal conflict culture that's been<br /> [00:30:13.280 --&gt; 00:30:21.360] fermented there. And I'm also kind of humbled and depressed that since this has happened,<br /> [00:30:21.360 --&gt; 00:30:27.920] since I fired that minister, and since, of course, a group of ministers ran to post it on Reddit,<br /> [00:30:27.920 --&gt; 00:30:34.240] the email I sent, the response, and the fact I fired this guy, I've gotten an outpouring of support.<br /> [00:30:34.240 --&gt; 00:30:39.360] It seems like the people who, the only people who think this behavior was appropriate are the<br /> [00:30:39.360 --&gt; 00:30:44.240] people who were involved in it. And they seem like they don't get out much and talk to other<br /> [00:30:44.240 --&gt; 00:30:48.160] people. They truly seem isolated. They seem like they're in a negative,<br /> [00:30:48.160 --&gt; 00:30:55.600] dysfunctional feedback loop where they convince each other of their justifications, and they just<br /> [00:30:55.600 --&gt; 00:31:02.400] continue to carry on from there without considering what other people are saying. And<br /> [00:31:02.400 --&gt; 00:31:09.600] I didn't really know how it would be received that I take finally the move of removing bad actors.<br /> [00:31:09.600 --&gt; 00:31:18.560] But I have to admit, I have never had, in recent years, a stronger uptick in subscribers and followers<br /> [00:31:18.560 --&gt; 00:31:23.600] than when this happened. And I found that so many people have kind of been waiting for this<br /> [00:31:23.600 --&gt; 00:31:28.640] to happen. And a lot of people who resigned in the past, and I didn't even realize they had<br /> [00:31:28.640 --&gt; 00:31:34.800] resigned for these reasons, were reaching out now. And I feel like I just have to speak about these<br /> [00:31:34.800 --&gt; 00:31:42.000] things because I hate seeing a different narrative take off. And I hate the fact that my general<br /> [00:31:42.000 --&gt; 00:31:48.480] silence on not trying to amplify these issues within our organization have given people that<br /> [00:31:48.480 --&gt; 00:31:55.600] sense of security that they can say what they want, and nobody will ever step in to correct them,<br /> [00:31:55.600 --&gt; 00:32:01.120] or that the record will never be set straight, in that it's going to be a one-way beating<br /> [00:32:01.120 --&gt; 00:32:06.240] propaganda-wise, where we'll be quiet and they'll be able to claim that they've been abused in all<br /> [00:32:06.240 --&gt; 00:32:15.440] manner of way, all manner of times, in that just seems to be the way it has been for so long.<br /> [00:32:15.440 --&gt; 00:32:22.960] And our head of ministry had stepped down at the first of this month was this last day<br /> [00:32:22.960 --&gt; 00:32:29.440] in the position that he held. And so, you know, I was paying attention to ministry more. I had<br /> [00:32:29.440 --&gt; 00:32:37.280] been talking about unifying the organization and the fact that ministry was going to be run under<br /> [00:32:37.280 --&gt; 00:32:44.960] EM, in that we were going to have a unified mission-driven organization, and that's just the way it's<br /> [00:32:44.960 --&gt; 00:32:49.280] going to be. And if people had bothered to read what I was writing, maybe they wouldn't have been<br /> [00:32:49.280 --&gt; 00:32:56.400] so surprised. So, the head of ministry stepped down on the first, and by whatever it was, the ninth<br /> [00:32:56.400 --&gt; 00:33:03.600] or something like that, removing a minister, ninth, tenth, eleventh, whatever. So, I remove a minister,<br /> [00:33:03.600 --&gt; 00:33:10.960] and, you know, this causes panic. And in the course of this panic, nobody seems to consider<br /> [00:33:10.960 --&gt; 00:33:16.880] that what they did was inappropriate, that maybe they should have some professional conduct standards,<br /> [00:33:16.880 --&gt; 00:33:22.880] that maybe somebody should apologize, maybe somebody should take some ownership for this kind<br /> [00:33:22.880 --&gt; 00:33:29.920] of thing happening. No, they started melting down, and they make a mad run on internal documents.<br /> [00:33:29.920 --&gt; 00:33:35.840] And in background chatter that they don't know I'm also getting screenshots of, they are speaking<br /> [00:33:35.840 --&gt; 00:33:42.640] openly of taking our internal documents and doing their own thing. And people complain that we have<br /> [00:33:42.640 --&gt; 00:33:49.120] NDAs, and I wonder if those fucking people have ever had a job, because we deal with documents<br /> [00:33:49.120 --&gt; 00:33:55.760] that can contain people's social security numbers. We do everything we can to maintain<br /> [00:33:55.760 --&gt; 00:34:01.280] people's anonymity when they want it and use their pseudonyms. But we also have personnel<br /> [00:34:01.280 --&gt; 00:34:07.040] documents. We also have proprietary operational documents. This is what an organization is.<br /> [00:34:07.040 --&gt; 00:34:12.400] Yep, this is how an organization works. You don't come into an organization and claim that<br /> [00:34:12.400 --&gt; 00:34:16.720] you have ownership of any part of that. You disagree with the organization. You feel the<br /> [00:34:16.720 --&gt; 00:34:21.360] organization is going another way. It's too fucking bad. The organization still holds the<br /> [00:34:21.360 --&gt; 00:34:26.720] documents. We started locking people out of their access, because apparently they didn't realize<br /> [00:34:26.720 --&gt; 00:34:32.240] that we would be able to see from an IT perspective that these mass downloads are happening. So we<br /> [00:34:32.240 --&gt; 00:34:36.800] start locking people out of their accounts, sending them messages saying, &quot;This is why you're locked<br /> [00:34:36.800 --&gt; 00:34:43.040] out of your account. Why was this going on?&quot; And people start resigning. People start resigning and<br /> [00:34:43.040 --&gt; 00:34:49.440] saying, &quot;Now we're going on a mad witch hunt.&quot; All they did was nothing. And I just went insane,<br /> [00:34:49.440 --&gt; 00:34:55.040] and now heads are coming off, and they need to scramble and get all the assets and resources<br /> [00:34:55.040 --&gt; 00:35:01.840] they can and take off with them or hold them hostage for the next time around when they try to push<br /> [00:35:01.840 --&gt; 00:35:09.440] me out of the organization and use that material or whatever. And so it was a panic kind of<br /> [00:35:09.440 --&gt; 00:35:17.520] perpetuated by themselves. And then our former head of ministry, who had resigned, he removes<br /> [00:35:17.520 --&gt; 00:35:24.160] people from our ordination council. And then they think, &quot;Well, we've dissolved the ordination<br /> [00:35:24.160 --&gt; 00:35:31.680] council, so here's just another part of this lopping of heads and this massed its missile that<br /> [00:35:31.680 --&gt; 00:35:37.440] just came out of the blue, because now the story starts that I just sent an insulting email about<br /> [00:35:37.440 --&gt; 00:35:50.480] some light-hearted memes.&quot; So somebody posted the logs that showed that the removals from the<br /> [00:35:50.480 --&gt; 00:35:54.800] ordination council were actually done by the prior head of ministry, who still had access<br /> [00:35:54.800 --&gt; 00:36:01.600] at that time. Now we've gotten rid of it. And then last night, we get this bizarre ransom letter<br /> [00:36:01.600 --&gt; 00:36:11.120] from the former head of ministry. And it says that if, you know, sorry, he said of a TST dot link,<br /> [00:36:11.120 --&gt; 00:36:16.240] which was a link shortener account thing, and that he had done this with the own money and didn't<br /> [00:36:16.240 --&gt; 00:36:22.240] ask for compensation. And therefore, he was going to hold on to this, and he was going to hold on<br /> [00:36:22.240 --&gt; 00:36:30.080] to this Samuel archive that he had put together, which was rituals and documents from the ministry.<br /> [00:36:30.080 --&gt; 00:36:37.760] And he wasn't going to give those to us. Unless we posted this message on our ministry slack for<br /> [00:36:37.760 --&gt; 00:36:44.560] like an hour and then sent them a screenshot, like told ransom notes shit. And the message said that,<br /> [00:36:44.560 --&gt; 00:36:50.720] of course, that he had been lied about in that what had really happened was that he didn't really<br /> [00:36:50.720 --&gt; 00:36:59.040] remove people from the ordination council, but that he had. And that, nonetheless, he had<br /> [00:36:59.040 --&gt; 00:37:04.640] we claim that he had only done it because somebody else was removed and other people were suspended,<br /> [00:37:04.640 --&gt; 00:37:11.920] and there was literally nobody left. And in any case, EM could add them back at any time,<br /> [00:37:11.920 --&gt; 00:37:18.480] which was ridiculous, because the fact that anybody was removed or suspended from their<br /> [00:37:18.480 --&gt; 00:37:24.960] accounts for mass downloads did not justify him removing anybody. He still didn't have to do that.<br /> [00:37:24.960 --&gt; 00:37:30.560] So this message, even if posted, wouldn't have made him look any better, I don't think to begin<br /> [00:37:30.560 --&gt; 00:37:36.400] with. But the offer was that if we posted this message and then sent to improve that we did,<br /> [00:37:36.400 --&gt; 00:37:43.600] he might be willing to sell us these assets that have been set up in our name. So obviously,<br /> [00:37:43.600 --&gt; 00:37:52.800] the answer to that was no. And we move forward. And that's pretty much the entirety of the situation<br /> [00:37:52.800 --&gt; 00:37:59.520] novel. And in all this time, as I said, I haven't seen any real introspection from people. And I<br /> [00:37:59.520 --&gt; 00:38:05.200] think they've been waiting for me to learn my lesson from all of this, because by God, do I not<br /> [00:38:05.200 --&gt; 00:38:11.520] realize they're going to leave? And with some of these people, I am counting on it. I'm telling you,<br /> [00:38:11.520 --&gt; 00:38:18.080] if you don't want to be here, leave, just go. There really are plenty of good people still.<br /> [00:38:18.080 --&gt; 00:38:24.560] And I've been getting messages from them. Believe me, people feel like they've been silenced by<br /> [00:38:24.560 --&gt; 00:38:30.720] these boys within the organization. They feel like they can't work with people. I know people who<br /> [00:38:30.720 --&gt; 00:38:36.640] feel like they've been pushed out. And I gave messages from people who are potential volunteers,<br /> [00:38:36.640 --&gt; 00:38:44.080] really productive community members who have interest in doing various things with TST and<br /> [00:38:44.080 --&gt; 00:38:50.240] seem to be very competent. And they're willing to step in and they're willing to do these things.<br /> [00:38:50.240 --&gt; 00:38:57.840] And if people, I'm happy with anybody that wants to stay. I'm not saying I'm dissatisfied with<br /> [00:38:57.840 --&gt; 00:39:02.160] everybody by any means. A lot of those messages are coming from inside the house.<br /> [00:39:02.160 --&gt; 00:39:09.760] The loudest people, though, are this group. And they are so certain that they're right. And<br /> [00:39:09.760 --&gt; 00:39:15.280] they're so loud about it. And I think they've just gotten to a point where people feel beaten.<br /> [00:39:15.280 --&gt; 00:39:21.360] And they're not willing to argue that pace with them. And they're not willing to have this angry<br /> [00:39:21.360 --&gt; 00:39:27.680] mob descend upon them. And I've taken so much abuse from this crowd, I think. And I'm<br /> [00:39:27.680 --&gt; 00:39:33.600] never said that. I've never really talked about that. I always want to put forward a more stoic<br /> [00:39:33.600 --&gt; 00:39:40.160] face. And I've always wanted to be the guy who can take it and feel like, okay, I am the guy in<br /> [00:39:40.160 --&gt; 00:39:45.440] the news. I am the guy they see as a celebrity. I'm the guy they see as being in power. They don't<br /> [00:39:45.440 --&gt; 00:39:52.160] realize I'm actually a person. They don't realize how much they beat on me. But it's time I started<br /> [00:39:52.160 --&gt; 00:39:57.760] talking about that. Because now I started looking in the context of, how could I put somebody into<br /> [00:39:57.760 --&gt; 00:40:03.120] my position in a culture in an institutional culture that's going to treat them that way?<br /> [00:40:03.120 --&gt; 00:40:07.600] Because I feel like it could be anybody. Whoever's going to be in that position,<br /> [00:40:07.600 --&gt; 00:40:13.440] they've developed a frame of mind in which they're going to attack this marriage and ultimately try<br /> [00:40:13.440 --&gt; 00:40:18.240] to ruin that person. Whether they realize that's what they're doing or not, or if that's just part<br /> [00:40:18.240 --&gt; 00:40:24.560] of a dysfunctional social dynamic, they have failed to break out of. It's something that's very real.<br /> [00:40:24.560 --&gt; 00:40:29.920] And I don't think it's something many people would survive in their jobs. And it's something<br /> [00:40:29.920 --&gt; 00:40:38.960] I'm not going to fucking tolerate anymore. And that's my hopeful, happy-go-lucky optimistic message<br /> [00:40:41.040 --&gt; 00:40:48.880] future of productive going forward in TST. Well, yeah, I mean, I can't count the amount of times<br /> [00:40:48.880 --&gt; 00:40:57.440] that I tried to make the very basic argument on social media or even internally on the minister<br /> [00:40:57.440 --&gt; 00:41:03.920] slack and stuff. That TST is an organization. You can be a Satanist and not be part of TST.<br /> [00:41:03.920 --&gt; 00:41:09.360] But if you're part of TST, if you're part of an organization, if you're part of any organization<br /> [00:41:09.360 --&gt; 00:41:15.760] and you're in a leadership role, and you start talking shit about leadership or the organization,<br /> [00:41:15.760 --&gt; 00:41:20.960] or you start actively planning stuff, again, negative stuff against that organization,<br /> [00:41:20.960 --&gt; 00:41:27.280] you're going to be asked to lead. This is like common. This is job 101. I was like,<br /> [00:41:27.280 --&gt; 00:41:34.160] how are you going to not understanding this? This seems really fucking basic to me. And if you don't<br /> [00:41:34.160 --&gt; 00:41:41.440] like it, if you actually just for some reason hate the organization, then leave. And people would<br /> [00:41:41.440 --&gt; 00:41:48.640] argue back and challenge back. And like you said, I heard the whole 12 TST or EM doesn't<br /> [00:41:48.640 --&gt; 00:41:54.240] equal TST sort of thing. I got that argument. A lot of the stuff that you said was arguments<br /> [00:41:54.240 --&gt; 00:42:01.760] that I would hear back. And it just seems so fucking basic to me. Have you never worked<br /> [00:42:01.760 --&gt; 00:42:07.040] anywhere? I have to say that was one of the hardest things is I've tried not to take any<br /> [00:42:07.040 --&gt; 00:42:12.880] position either way. EM does what EM does. And I felt the SOC we did with the SOC did. And my hope<br /> [00:42:12.880 --&gt; 00:42:18.240] was that they at some point worked in conjunction. And I realized very quickly that working in the<br /> [00:42:18.240 --&gt; 00:42:23.760] SOC, that the SOC felt it was a body onto itself. They demanded all the rights and privileges. And<br /> [00:42:23.760 --&gt; 00:42:30.960] yet at the same time felt very almost offended that EM almost felt like they were supposed to<br /> [00:42:30.960 --&gt; 00:42:36.320] have any kind of involvement at all. And I found that very odd. So as I watched. People are offended<br /> [00:42:36.320 --&gt; 00:42:42.880] that EM thinks they own the organization, but I would like to tell them we own the organization.<br /> [00:42:42.880 --&gt; 00:42:50.640] Malcolm and I own the organization. And I see people all the time questioning whether we're<br /> [00:42:50.640 --&gt; 00:42:56.640] doing any work. And I would be able to tolerate that if it weren't very public facing. We are<br /> [00:42:56.640 --&gt; 00:43:05.600] working all the fucking time. We don't have time for our lives. Pretty much 100% of the time<br /> [00:43:05.600 --&gt; 00:43:11.360] we're working on things. And I have barely enough time to work on the things that actually get me<br /> [00:43:11.360 --&gt; 00:43:20.720] paid. That's just something I have no sympathy for that viewpoint. And I have a very difficult time<br /> [00:43:20.720 --&gt; 00:43:26.160] taking it seriously that anybody arrived at that conclusion. Or if they did, that's a failure of<br /> [00:43:26.160 --&gt; 00:43:33.680] their own ability to actually look at things and evaluate evidence. And whatever their failure is,<br /> [00:43:33.680 --&gt; 00:43:42.000] I think it shows a lack of confidence to hold a professional position in an organization like<br /> [00:43:42.000 --&gt; 00:43:47.280] this one. And if we don't take it seriously, clearly nobody else will. And if we're taking<br /> [00:43:47.280 --&gt; 00:43:54.400] this organization seriously, we need to demand at least the basic standards of conduct that<br /> [00:43:54.400 --&gt; 00:44:00.000] ministers representing us at least advocate for the organization.<br /> [00:44:00.000 --&gt; 00:44:04.640] Yeah. And that's not cult behavior. I heard that said a lot.<br /> [00:44:04.640 --&gt; 00:44:12.000] This is like, again, organization 101 sort of stuff. I can't count the amount of times that I<br /> [00:44:12.000 --&gt; 00:44:18.480] said the same thing. TSD is owned by EM. The SOC was given freedom, not ownership. They were<br /> [00:44:18.480 --&gt; 00:44:24.560] given freedom. And somehow, with that freedom, they thought they had ownership and they thought<br /> [00:44:24.560 --&gt; 00:44:31.120] they had power over EM. And I'm like, how do you not understand this? I mean, it literally--<br /> [00:44:31.120 --&gt; 00:44:33.840] They call it a cult because that's a pejorative form.<br /> [00:44:33.840 --&gt; 00:44:37.120] Yeah. So religious organizations they come back, you disagree with.<br /> [00:44:37.120 --&gt; 00:44:43.680] Yeah. But if you can take your definition of a cult and find that it applies to any job,<br /> [00:44:43.680 --&gt; 00:44:49.680] then you're a little bit off course. Right. I tried to break it down in other ways.<br /> [00:44:49.680 --&gt; 00:44:54.800] Okay. Let's pretend this is in TST. Let's pretend this is the children's<br /> [00:44:54.800 --&gt; 00:44:59.840] cancer organization. And you're a volunteer there. And you're given a leadership position.<br /> [00:44:59.840 --&gt; 00:45:05.840] And you start spreading memes and talking shit about the members of the board.<br /> [00:45:05.840 --&gt; 00:45:10.400] Guess what that organization is going to do with you? They're going to fucking remove you.<br /> [00:45:10.400 --&gt; 00:45:14.560] Even if you're a volunteer, though. Yeah. Even if you're a volunteer.<br /> [00:45:14.560 --&gt; 00:45:19.200] And oh, by the way-- You know, let me talk about that idea that volunteers are more<br /> [00:45:19.200 --&gt; 00:45:24.560] deference when it comes to that kind of thing. I disagree. The fact that it's volunteers makes it<br /> [00:45:24.560 --&gt; 00:45:29.200] even less forgivable on their farms. Yeah. When somebody's working a paid job,<br /> [00:45:29.200 --&gt; 00:45:34.320] they might have the excuse of being able to say like, look, I need the paycheck. I'm not able to<br /> [00:45:34.320 --&gt; 00:45:40.080] look for another job right now. Right. Of course, I don't believe in this or the mission. I'm getting<br /> [00:45:40.080 --&gt; 00:45:46.720] paid. You know, I totally understand that. When you're a volunteer, there's no excuse for you not<br /> [00:45:46.720 --&gt; 00:45:53.520] identifying with the organization and the cause. If it's tedium to you, if you don't agree with it,<br /> [00:45:53.520 --&gt; 00:46:03.440] and it's not just a paycheck, just go. Yeah. I wouldn't stay in an organization if I hated the<br /> [00:46:03.440 --&gt; 00:46:08.640] leadership. If I thought the organization was moving in a different direction, if I didn't agree<br /> [00:46:08.640 --&gt; 00:46:14.960] with it, if I hated the people that were in charge, why the fuck would I stay in that organization?<br /> [00:46:14.960 --&gt; 00:46:22.880] Unless I was there to try and stir up trouble, you know, unless I was to try and do some sort of a,<br /> [00:46:22.880 --&gt; 00:46:26.800] you know, some sort of a coup or some shit like that. You know, and I had so many people<br /> [00:46:26.800 --&gt; 00:46:30.720] disagreeing with me. Oh, no, that's not what it is. It's just memes. And it's like, this is so<br /> [00:46:30.720 --&gt; 00:46:35.520] much more than just memes. This is if you think-- It was symptom of a greater issue, really.<br /> [00:46:35.520 --&gt; 00:46:42.080] If you think this is just about a fucking meme, you're so fucking lost. And I don't know.<br /> [00:46:42.080 --&gt; 00:46:47.280] And I just, you know, the reason why I felt this had to happen is, you know, starting the year off,<br /> [00:46:47.280 --&gt; 00:46:53.920] we had people literally go drive states away, more than once, obviously now, to destroy things<br /> [00:46:53.920 --&gt; 00:47:01.280] and to claim that TST, Satanist, Satanism, these things are not valid. They don't deserve a space<br /> [00:47:01.280 --&gt; 00:47:06.240] in the religious sphere that that's only reserved for very specific, you know, groups that get to<br /> [00:47:06.240 --&gt; 00:47:11.600] use that term. And here we have a group of people that see this happening. They see these things<br /> [00:47:11.600 --&gt; 00:47:16.320] unfolding. And instead of taking those things seriously, the things I thought we all joined an<br /> [00:47:16.320 --&gt; 00:47:21.440] organization to participate in and to do something about, they've decided that they're going to be<br /> [00:47:21.440 --&gt; 00:47:26.720] team on our own. And they're going to do this all themselves. And they're going to miraculously<br /> [00:47:26.720 --&gt; 00:47:32.720] make all these changes in something that's taken at least 10 years of active work on behalf of the<br /> [00:47:32.720 --&gt; 00:47:39.040] people that they like to call the ivory tower group. And I was just outraged, to be honest,<br /> [00:47:39.040 --&gt; 00:47:44.160] to see this kind of thing happening. And I was also heartbroken because these are people I held<br /> [00:47:44.160 --&gt; 00:47:49.680] such a steam for and had so many wonderful interactions and thought I was really working with a group<br /> [00:47:49.680 --&gt; 00:47:55.840] of people I could collaborate with. And I was proud of that. I was so proud of that. And I know now<br /> [00:47:55.840 --&gt; 00:48:01.040] that at this point, I've lost that relationship. Those relationships are gone. The things that<br /> [00:48:01.040 --&gt; 00:48:06.400] I had worked hard on that I was proud of, I can no longer participate in because those people have<br /> [00:48:06.400 --&gt; 00:48:11.680] very strong feelings. And I accept that. I accept their feelings. I accept their anger. That's fine.<br /> [00:48:11.680 --&gt; 00:48:16.640] But I thought we were all here to accomplish the same thing. And that was the biggest heartbreak<br /> [00:48:16.640 --&gt; 00:48:24.640] to me. Yeah. Well, and you you see the the term compassion and empathy used as a get at a jail<br /> [00:48:24.640 --&gt; 00:48:28.720] free card. You know, well, what about compassion and empathy? What about compassion and empathy?<br /> [00:48:28.720 --&gt; 00:48:34.240] And I looked and I was like, well, what about compassion and empathy for the person who did the<br /> [00:48:34.240 --&gt; 00:48:40.880] right thing? They saw something wrong was was going on. They saw that something was being planned.<br /> [00:48:40.880 --&gt; 00:48:46.560] That was malicious. They didn't know who to go to. And they brought it to the people's attention<br /> [00:48:46.560 --&gt; 00:48:52.480] that they should have, you know, they did is is this compassion and empathy go out the window<br /> [00:48:52.480 --&gt; 00:48:58.000] when people are doing something wrong because it's your body? Yes. Do we ignore when people are doing<br /> [00:48:58.000 --&gt; 00:49:02.640] something wrong because it's just because it's your body? Oh, well, I would have said something<br /> [00:49:02.640 --&gt; 00:49:08.080] about it, but Bob would get in trouble and I really like Bob. So I'm going to just ignore that<br /> [00:49:08.080 --&gt; 00:49:14.160] and pretend that it's not happening. That was like infuriating to me. Yeah. So, you know,<br /> [00:49:14.160 --&gt; 00:49:18.480] to those people who were left in the Lurch and stuck in chaos and wondering what was actually<br /> [00:49:18.480 --&gt; 00:49:23.360] happening, I'm sorry. I truly am. I wish that, you know, I could have just told everybody, but<br /> [00:49:23.360 --&gt; 00:49:28.320] there's there's things that have to be done out of responsibility and respect. And you try to go<br /> [00:49:28.320 --&gt; 00:49:33.440] through the right channels and you try to do the best you can to show people what's going on in<br /> [00:49:33.440 --&gt; 00:49:39.360] the hopes that they'll actually take accountability and they'll take account and they'll look at things<br /> [00:49:39.360 --&gt; 00:49:47.040] and understand why and maybe even express some remorse or some some kind of acknowledgement that<br /> [00:49:47.040 --&gt; 00:49:52.400] there was necessity for these moves. And that didn't happen. And I was really there were a few<br /> [00:49:52.400 --&gt; 00:49:58.240] people. I won't say no one, but I was also sad because people did reach out and of those people,<br /> [00:49:58.240 --&gt; 00:50:05.040] they shared with me similar stories of having been involved in these situations and feeling<br /> [00:50:05.040 --&gt; 00:50:11.920] completely helpless and pushed out and others, you know, that were involved in these very distasteful<br /> [00:50:11.920 --&gt; 00:50:17.520] screenshots that I shared. They were just openly talking about people, individuals, and disparaging<br /> [00:50:17.520 --&gt; 00:50:22.800] them for no good reason other than their own amusement. And that was just very... Or that they<br /> [00:50:22.800 --&gt; 00:50:30.880] disagreed with them, you know, because if they didn't agree that EM was the big, bad wolf and this,<br /> [00:50:30.880 --&gt; 00:50:39.600] you know, you know, I don't know, or this group of dictators. Imagine we saw a group of Catholic<br /> [00:50:39.600 --&gt; 00:50:46.000] ministers acting like this online. We'd be dragging them for years, you know. People would have<br /> [00:50:46.000 --&gt; 00:50:51.120] green shots of them and they would say that's indicative of this follow-call true affairs.<br /> [00:50:51.120 --&gt; 00:50:58.160] And nobody, nobody has any sense of respect for the dignity of the religion itself when they're<br /> [00:50:58.160 --&gt; 00:51:04.320] going around with the title of minister in their ministerial capacity as far as people are concerned<br /> [00:51:04.320 --&gt; 00:51:10.960] online. And they're talking this way. And to see people comparing that to some of my brash behavior<br /> [00:51:10.960 --&gt; 00:51:19.360] that's directed, I think, in a focused way towards our known opposition. I think they've completely<br /> [00:51:19.360 --&gt; 00:51:27.200] lost the plot then. It's not simply a qualitative analysis. It's, you know, it's a matter of where<br /> [00:51:27.200 --&gt; 00:51:32.880] you're taking aim and what you're doing it for. And if you really don't have that sense either,<br /> [00:51:33.920 --&gt; 00:51:40.320] I don't think it's our job to teach you. It's not prepared for this kind of work. And I think<br /> [00:51:40.320 --&gt; 00:51:46.880] ministerial work should be taken seriously. Ministers should be able to be there as a trusted source<br /> [00:51:46.880 --&gt; 00:51:52.560] for people, as a neutral source that people can come to even maybe with topics they're uncomfortable<br /> [00:51:52.560 --&gt; 00:51:57.840] with and feel like they're not going to immediately be judged. And we're not seeing that kind of<br /> [00:51:57.840 --&gt; 00:52:03.440] behavior that would inspire that kind of confidence from anybody. And it doesn't do any of us any<br /> [00:52:03.440 --&gt; 00:52:08.480] good. And it makes a joke of it all. And we don't want to, we don't want to degenerate into that<br /> [00:52:08.480 --&gt; 00:52:12.880] just because we're trying to preserve the feelings of somebody who's trying to destroy us.<br /> [00:52:12.880 --&gt; 00:52:21.600] Yeah, I mean, I did a post on it shortly after it. When it was blowing up on Twitter, this was before<br /> [00:52:21.600 --&gt; 00:52:28.320] the whole the room thing happened, you know, and well, we can have the screenshots. This was<br /> [00:52:28.320 --&gt; 00:52:33.840] while it was still on Twitter talking about the memes. And you know, I did a whole tweet on it<br /> [00:52:33.840 --&gt; 00:52:40.080] was basically the same thing. If you are that unhappy, if you feel like you're entitled to a party<br /> [00:52:40.080 --&gt; 00:52:45.280] with everything else going on, if that's your biggest bitch is that we didn't get a party, go,<br /> [00:52:45.280 --&gt; 00:52:50.960] you know, I mean, again, you you don't have to be part of TST to be a Satanist, you could be a<br /> [00:52:50.960 --&gt; 00:52:55.280] Satanist all by yourself, you know, and you can have your own rules then you could talk bad about<br /> [00:52:55.280 --&gt; 00:53:00.560] whoever you want. But you know, you don't get the benefits of the organization if you're going to<br /> [00:53:00.560 --&gt; 00:53:06.800] disparage the organization, especially in a leadership role. To me, it's just untay it's<br /> [00:53:06.800 --&gt; 00:53:10.880] distasteful. I'm like, how do you not take yourself serious enough to recognize what it is that<br /> [00:53:10.880 --&gt; 00:53:17.360] you've chosen to willingly do and represent? And how do you just care so little for the reputation<br /> [00:53:17.360 --&gt; 00:53:24.080] of that which you you purport to care so much about? Well, in the right seem so severe too, when,<br /> [00:53:24.080 --&gt; 00:53:30.960] like I said, there's such a failure to take ownership of any wrongdoing. And then the narrative is<br /> [00:53:30.960 --&gt; 00:53:36.960] is changed by convenience to the point where now we do have the unfortunate situation where<br /> [00:53:36.960 --&gt; 00:53:42.000] I do feel forced to talk to the about this to a certain degree, because people are wondering,<br /> [00:53:42.000 --&gt; 00:53:46.880] why were people locked out of their access? Well, they know fucking well, why they just decided not<br /> [00:53:46.880 --&gt; 00:53:52.960] to tell you like the massive downloads of the documents were real people feel entitled to steal<br /> [00:53:52.960 --&gt; 00:53:57.920] from us. And that shows to me that they were never qualified for the job to begin with,<br /> [00:53:57.920 --&gt; 00:54:03.360] no matter what disagreements you have, taking that kind of proprietary information, like,<br /> [00:54:03.360 --&gt; 00:54:08.480] nobody can, nobody can take an organization seriously if they don't protect that. Who would<br /> [00:54:08.480 --&gt; 00:54:13.600] want anything to do with it if we're not going to protect your information while protecting<br /> [00:54:13.600 --&gt; 00:54:20.320] arts? That's just what an organization is obligated to do. And for people to feel entitled to start<br /> [00:54:20.320 --&gt; 00:54:25.840] downloading every document they have access to, for whatever reason, to do their own thing or<br /> [00:54:25.840 --&gt; 00:54:30.800] whatever else it was that they were looking for. And we see openly screenshots of chats where<br /> [00:54:30.800 --&gt; 00:54:38.560] people are talking about migrating proprietary material into, into offsite servers or whatever,<br /> [00:54:38.560 --&gt; 00:54:45.280] to keep it for their own. That to me is disgraceful. And then to pretend that they don't know<br /> [00:54:46.160 --&gt; 00:54:51.120] why things aren't happening when they fully well do or why, what started this when they know that<br /> [00:54:51.120 --&gt; 00:54:56.240] as well. And they develop a narrative about, you know, whatever it is they're saying about,<br /> [00:54:56.240 --&gt; 00:55:00.880] you know, I just got a wild hair of my ass and decided to start firing people just to prove<br /> [00:55:00.880 --&gt; 00:55:08.000] prove on the man or something like that. Well, yeah, that's the reason why Lillian went public with,<br /> [00:55:08.000 --&gt; 00:55:15.040] with everything that happened was because all of these people that were in there playing victim,<br /> [00:55:15.040 --&gt; 00:55:20.160] you know, oh, I got, I got removed. I don't know what they're just going crazy. They don't know<br /> [00:55:20.160 --&gt; 00:55:24.080] their their paranoid. They don't know what they're doing. They're, you know, you might be next,<br /> [00:55:24.080 --&gt; 00:55:31.120] you know, all of that sort of shit. They knew damn well why they got removed. And every, again,<br /> [00:55:31.120 --&gt; 00:55:37.840] I kind of went back to look, everybody says they want transparency until that transparency shines<br /> [00:55:37.840 --&gt; 00:55:42.240] a bad light on you or your buddy. And all of a sudden you don't like transparency anymore,<br /> [00:55:42.240 --&gt; 00:55:49.200] you know, but I think it was the right thing to do to show the reason why because if they,<br /> [00:55:49.200 --&gt; 00:55:54.720] it's very possible, I can't speak for you, Lillian, but it would be very possible if these people<br /> [00:55:54.720 --&gt; 00:56:00.720] weren't in there playing victim and stirring up more trouble that way, maybe you wouldn't have<br /> [00:56:00.720 --&gt; 00:56:06.720] shared the whole story, you know, because it was resolving itself through EM and through the people<br /> [00:56:06.720 --&gt; 00:56:11.680] directly and maybe they were taking responsibility for it or they were just quietly going. But the<br /> [00:56:11.680 --&gt; 00:56:16.480] fact that they were in there playing victim and they were trying to stir up more trouble,<br /> [00:56:16.480 --&gt; 00:56:24.160] they were trying to get more people to leave, you know, again, if I was at a job and I got caught<br /> [00:56:24.160 --&gt; 00:56:30.880] stealing something and I was released and and I went and sat back down on my desk to clean it<br /> [00:56:30.880 --&gt; 00:56:35.520] out. But while I was at my desk cleaning it out, I'm there telling all the other people, oh,<br /> [00:56:35.520 --&gt; 00:56:39.280] I don't know what the hell happened. They just went nuts, you could be next. I mean,<br /> [00:56:39.280 --&gt; 00:56:44.000] they'd have security, walked me out the fucking door. They, they'd be like, no, you can't do that.<br /> [00:56:44.000 --&gt; 00:56:49.840] - Well, they, they abuse you further and further until they finally reach the point where you<br /> [00:56:49.840 --&gt; 00:56:55.360] need to engage in self-defense and then they immediately play victim. Yep, yep, yep.<br /> [00:56:55.360 --&gt; 00:57:03.440] - I do truly hope that this gives people that that lauded transparency that apparently was missing<br /> [00:57:03.440 --&gt; 00:57:08.320] because I think that, you know, the best thing we could do is shine the light on things and<br /> [00:57:08.320 --&gt; 00:57:12.720] as we have often brought up the invocation that, which can be destroyed by truth, should never<br /> [00:57:12.720 --&gt; 00:57:18.400] be spared, it's demise. And so here you are, you guys have the truth. Well, I would, I would like to<br /> [00:57:18.400 --&gt; 00:57:25.440] end on a positive note and let it be known that we do have plenty of people willing to take whatever<br /> [00:57:25.440 --&gt; 00:57:31.200] role in people who are very competent and we're open to getting messages from other people who<br /> [00:57:31.200 --&gt; 00:57:38.000] are willing to help and we're going to make sure that every functional role, every administrative<br /> [00:57:38.000 --&gt; 00:57:46.080] role, every, every role that's necessary to keep things running smoothly and, and timely and keep<br /> [00:57:46.080 --&gt; 00:57:53.280] things operational and not scheduled. All those posts are going to be filled and everybody else,<br /> [00:57:53.280 --&gt; 00:57:58.640] they can stay or they can leave and we'll be fine. You know, the, you know, the, you know,<br /> [00:57:58.640 --&gt; 00:58:04.080] the Satanic Temple is going to go on. We're going to do all the things we do, whether we're doing<br /> [00:58:04.080 --&gt; 00:58:10.000] it with completely different people or not is up to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think we're also<br /> [00:58:10.000 --&gt; 00:58:16.000] going to be doing it with a lot of new people too. What we are going to have a different internal<br /> [00:58:16.000 --&gt; 00:58:21.680] culture and it's going to be one that is more respectful and more productive. I hope so. I really<br /> [00:58:21.680 --&gt; 00:58:27.600] do because, you know, it is the one thing. I guarantee it. Yeah. That is my promise to everybody.<br /> [00:58:27.600 --&gt; 00:58:33.600] Like my promise is we are going to have a new internal culture and it's going to be one that<br /> [00:58:34.000 --&gt; 00:58:40.320] really is more accommodating and not going to degenerate into this petty bullying.<br /> [00:58:40.320 --&gt; 00:58:45.760] And they, it's just kind of an insular group that's bureaucratized its meetings.<br /> [00:58:45.760 --&gt; 00:58:54.480] Yeah. Because I know there's, there's many, many times that it was, it always seemed like it was<br /> [00:58:54.480 --&gt; 00:59:00.800] the SSC versus EM. You know, and it's like, why, why is there this internal, why, why are we<br /> [00:59:00.800 --&gt; 00:59:04.800] versed each other? We're supposed to be on the same team. We're, we're supposed to be fighting<br /> [00:59:04.800 --&gt; 00:59:09.840] the same shit out there. Um, you know, it's the same thing I complain about with other,<br /> [00:59:09.840 --&gt; 00:59:14.240] you know, other different, whether they're Satanists or pagans or any of that. We're all fighting<br /> [00:59:14.240 --&gt; 00:59:18.400] against the same shit. You know, there's no need for us to be fighting against each other because<br /> [00:59:18.400 --&gt; 00:59:22.800] when they say they want to take Satanists out, they don't just mean TST. They mean you too. And<br /> [00:59:22.800 --&gt; 00:59:27.440] they mean you too. And they mean you and you and you and you and you and you. So they mean all of us,<br /> [00:59:27.440 --&gt; 00:59:33.200] you know, we all need to be fighting against, you know, this, this, theocracy that they are trying<br /> [00:59:33.200 --&gt; 00:59:40.240] really hard and have a fucking chance of putting in in November. You know, I mean,<br /> [00:59:40.240 --&gt; 00:59:44.720] that is the biggest threat. And that's just one small hurdle, right? November is one aspect,<br /> [00:59:44.720 --&gt; 00:59:49.680] but this is an ongoing thing. So even then we can't just put our guard down and pretend that the<br /> [00:59:49.680 --&gt; 00:59:54.160] threat is passed. Oh no. So we have a lot of work to do. And there are a lot of wonderful<br /> [00:59:54.160 --&gt; 00:59:58.960] people all throughout this community that I know are ready and willing to do it. So this is the<br /> [00:59:58.960 --&gt; 01:00:04.880] time. If you're listening and you're ready, we're ready to hear you. And this is when we get to<br /> [01:00:04.880 --&gt; 01:00:10.080] change things and really instill something that we can be proud of, all of us. Yeah, exactly.<br /> [01:00:10.080 --&gt; 01:00:17.520] One last thing, if you are somebody who's messaged within the past few days in the past week here<br /> [01:00:17.520 --&gt; 01:00:23.440] and you express support and your willingness to volunteer and you haven't been gotten back to<br /> [01:00:23.440 --&gt; 01:00:30.960] yet, that's because we have gotten so many of those messages. But we will, we are keeping this<br /> [01:00:30.960 --&gt; 01:00:37.440] on fire and we will try to get back to you. And for those who think that they're going to hold<br /> [01:00:37.440 --&gt; 01:00:43.680] their departure over our heads, just think about what I just said in the email that I'm getting,<br /> [01:00:43.680 --&gt; 01:00:49.840] I guarantee you I'm not, I'm not bluffing. They're there. There's a whole army of people here, it seems<br /> [01:00:49.840 --&gt; 01:00:56.000] willing to support us and they have felt pushed away by a small crowd more of people who have<br /> [01:00:56.000 --&gt; 01:01:00.400] been acting very irresponsibly and that's just not going to happen anymore. Yeah.<br /> [01:01:00.400 --&gt; 01:01:08.320] Well, I think on that note, on that note, I think we can, we can adjourn the podcast and<br /> [01:01:08.320 --&gt; 01:01:15.840] yeah, again, any questions that people have comments, you know, letters of support. Send us<br /> [01:01:15.840 --&gt; 01:01:20.720] letters of hate if you want to, you know, but let us know what your feelings are, what your thoughts<br /> [01:01:20.720 --&gt; 01:01:25.920] are and illusion, is there any where specific people should be reaching out if they want to be<br /> [01:01:25.920 --&gt; 01:01:30.960] involved, if they want to reach out to help? You know what, let me determine what the best<br /> [01:01:30.960 --&gt; 01:01:36.160] address is for that and you can put it in the, in the description. All right. Well, you know to<br /> [01:01:36.160 --&gt; 01:01:40.960] look for it when you get to the end of this, go ahead and take a look and we look forward to all<br /> [01:01:40.960 --&gt; 01:01:45.920] the wonderful people that are ready and willing to help fight back against the insanity that<br /> [01:01:45.920 --&gt; 01:01:56.320] we're all up against. Yeah. Thank you for your time today, Lucien. Great. Thank you so much.<br /> [01:01:56.320 --&gt; 01:02:14.720] [Music]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17091 2024-05-24T23:27:43Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> * TST Minnesota<br /> * TST Florida<br /> * TST Colorado<br /> * TST Australia<br /> * TST Alabama<br /> * TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> [00:00:00.000 --&gt; 00:00:05.760] Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, and Tommy Levine,<br /> [00:00:05.760 --&gt; 00:00:09.920] whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie,<br /> [00:00:09.920 --&gt; 00:00:15.900] our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives,<br /> [00:00:15.900 --&gt; 00:00:21.160] occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned.<br /> [00:00:21.160 --&gt; 00:00:26.240] We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered,<br /> [00:00:26.240 --&gt; 00:00:28.760] and reveal the humanity that unites us all.<br /> [00:00:28.760 --&gt; 00:00:32.760] So grab your favorite shallots and join us on this captivating journey.<br /> [00:00:32.760 --&gt; 00:00:37.320] Satanist Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world,<br /> [00:00:37.320 --&gt; 00:00:39.760] one captivating episode at a time.<br /> [00:00:39.760 --&gt; 00:01:03.320] Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanist Next Door.<br /> [00:01:03.320 --&gt; 00:01:10.160] So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas,<br /> [00:01:10.160 --&gt; 00:01:15.160] you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know,<br /> [00:01:15.160 --&gt; 00:01:19.400] the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws,<br /> [00:01:19.400 --&gt; 00:01:26.320] but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know,<br /> [00:01:26.320 --&gt; 00:01:35.120] TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know,<br /> [00:01:35.120 --&gt; 00:01:38.680] why, you know, the whole nine yards.<br /> [00:01:38.680 --&gt; 00:01:43.560] And with us to help us do this, we have Lucian. Hey, Lucian.<br /> [00:01:43.560 --&gt; 00:01:51.600] Hey, so I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, start from the beginning.<br /> [00:01:51.600 --&gt; 00:01:57.160] I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do,<br /> [00:01:57.160 --&gt; 00:02:01.720] and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote,<br /> [00:02:01.720 --&gt; 00:02:06.400] I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily<br /> [00:02:06.400 --&gt; 00:02:12.400] in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening.<br /> [00:02:12.400 --&gt; 00:02:17.760] So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together.<br /> [00:02:17.760 --&gt; 00:02:22.280] I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone<br /> [00:02:22.280 --&gt; 00:02:24.440] to kind of talk you through all of that.<br /> [00:02:24.440 --&gt; 00:02:32.400] And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across.<br /> [00:02:32.400 --&gt; 00:02:36.800] And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know,<br /> [00:02:36.800 --&gt; 00:02:44.320] still a stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation.<br /> [00:02:44.320 --&gt; 00:02:49.680] And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations<br /> [00:02:49.680 --&gt; 00:02:53.360] that would pop up. Now and again, you didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things<br /> [00:02:53.360 --&gt; 00:02:58.720] that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really<br /> [00:02:58.720 --&gt; 00:03:02.880] didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support.<br /> [00:03:02.880 --&gt; 00:03:06.800] So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening.<br /> [00:03:06.800 --&gt; 00:03:10.880] So I went in and they had shared a link to a signal chat.<br /> [00:03:10.880 --&gt; 00:03:15.600] So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was.<br /> [00:03:15.600 --&gt; 00:03:21.120] And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor<br /> [00:03:21.120 --&gt; 00:03:27.440] of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful.<br /> [00:03:27.440 --&gt; 00:03:32.080] They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was<br /> [00:03:32.080 --&gt; 00:03:38.160] division and there was anger towards executive ministry. There was a lot of people feeling<br /> [00:03:38.160 --&gt; 00:03:41.920] in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided<br /> [00:03:41.920 --&gt; 00:03:48.080] to share some really, yeah, it just tasteful and just rude. Honestly, it was rude.<br /> [00:03:48.080 --&gt; 00:03:52.480] But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right<br /> [00:03:52.480 --&gt; 00:03:55.760] to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became<br /> [00:03:55.760 --&gt; 00:04:01.280] progressively negative. And then I started seeing conversations about moving content,<br /> [00:04:01.280 --&gt; 00:04:06.320] not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about,<br /> [00:04:06.320 --&gt; 00:04:12.480] they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they<br /> [00:04:12.480 --&gt; 00:04:16.400] did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move,<br /> [00:04:16.400 --&gt; 00:04:21.680] what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people,<br /> [00:04:21.680 --&gt; 00:04:26.400] one of the ones in my own congregation and some of that I've known for quite a while. And I felt<br /> [00:04:26.400 --&gt; 00:04:31.840] really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these<br /> [00:04:31.840 --&gt; 00:04:36.880] folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what<br /> [00:04:36.880 --&gt; 00:04:41.200] to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with executive ministry when it came<br /> [00:04:41.200 --&gt; 00:04:46.560] to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen?<br /> [00:04:46.560 --&gt; 00:04:51.280] And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not<br /> [00:04:51.280 --&gt; 00:04:56.080] lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure,<br /> [00:04:56.080 --&gt; 00:04:58.800] excuse me, where to go with it. So,<br /> [00:04:59.440 --&gt; 00:05:02.240] well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> [00:05:02.240 --&gt; 00:05:07.440] Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things,<br /> [00:05:07.440 --&gt; 00:05:12.320] and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how<br /> [00:05:12.320 --&gt; 00:05:18.880] much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well,<br /> [00:05:18.880 --&gt; 00:05:24.640] yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened,<br /> [00:05:24.640 --&gt; 00:05:30.560] then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit,<br /> [00:05:30.560 --&gt; 00:05:34.400] look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this<br /> [00:05:34.400 --&gt; 00:05:41.360] situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to<br /> [00:05:41.360 --&gt; 00:05:45.920] also include. I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations<br /> [00:05:45.920 --&gt; 00:05:50.160] with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously,<br /> [00:05:50.160 --&gt; 00:05:54.080] because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it.<br /> [00:05:54.080 --&gt; 00:05:58.000] That I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments.<br /> [00:05:58.000 --&gt; 00:06:04.560] And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry,<br /> [00:06:04.560 --&gt; 00:06:10.400] but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening<br /> [00:06:10.400 --&gt; 00:06:14.880] this year. This is a very heavy election year. A lot of people are already stressed and scared.<br /> [00:06:14.880 --&gt; 00:06:20.320] There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird<br /> [00:06:20.320 --&gt; 00:06:23.920] stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question.<br /> [00:06:23.920 --&gt; 00:06:29.200] Materials being taken from school is like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap?<br /> [00:06:29.200 --&gt; 00:06:33.680] There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated<br /> [00:06:33.680 --&gt; 00:06:40.400] with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this<br /> [00:06:40.400 --&gt; 00:06:44.800] all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about,<br /> [00:06:44.800 --&gt; 00:06:48.880] you know, what about the tenants and, you know, EMs obligated to follow these tenants just like<br /> [00:06:48.880 --&gt; 00:06:54.240] everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with<br /> [00:06:54.240 --&gt; 00:07:00.320] the things? And as this hall unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that<br /> [00:07:00.320 --&gt; 00:07:08.240] made the memes and Lucian. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucian,<br /> [00:07:08.240 --&gt; 00:07:11.680] I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later. It seemed<br /> [00:07:11.680 --&gt; 00:07:17.120] had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious<br /> [00:07:17.120 --&gt; 00:07:22.400] nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste. I thought it was,<br /> [00:07:22.400 --&gt; 00:07:28.400] you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people<br /> [00:07:28.400 --&gt; 00:07:32.160] are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And,<br /> [00:07:32.160 --&gt; 00:07:36.560] you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of<br /> [00:07:36.560 --&gt; 00:07:40.400] the tenants and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well,<br /> [00:07:40.400 --&gt; 00:07:45.360] what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get<br /> [00:07:45.360 --&gt; 00:07:49.120] heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions.<br /> [00:07:49.120 --&gt; 00:07:54.000] Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it<br /> [00:07:54.000 --&gt; 00:07:59.520] to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> [00:07:59.520 --&gt; 00:08:06.080] And we share you shared what you saw with the M with the M and I and I wanted to know, you know,<br /> [00:08:06.080 --&gt; 00:08:09.920] I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid<br /> [00:08:09.920 --&gt; 00:08:14.560] witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just<br /> [00:08:14.560 --&gt; 00:08:19.520] suddenly get a wild hair and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after<br /> [00:08:19.520 --&gt; 00:08:24.880] people for the hell of it. So so I wrote this out in the hopes that and in the spirit that it<br /> [00:08:24.880 --&gt; 00:08:29.280] would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no<br /> [00:08:29.280 --&gt; 00:08:35.200] transparency. And I felt the oneness was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals<br /> [00:08:35.200 --&gt; 00:08:41.040] were brought to Am's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said,<br /> [00:08:41.040 --&gt; 00:08:46.000] here's what I saw presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words.<br /> [00:08:46.000 --&gt; 00:08:50.720] I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based<br /> [00:08:50.720 --&gt; 00:08:55.760] on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't<br /> [00:08:55.760 --&gt; 00:09:02.160] some wild, you know, the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up.<br /> [00:09:02.160 --&gt; 00:09:07.280] I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about<br /> [00:09:07.280 --&gt; 00:09:13.840] so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So,<br /> [00:09:13.840 --&gt; 00:09:19.200] you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it<br /> [00:09:19.200 --&gt; 00:09:23.680] to Lucian to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,<br /> [00:09:23.680 --&gt; 00:09:27.120] you know, granted people have ever had to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't be<br /> [00:09:27.120 --&gt; 00:09:31.760] grudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I<br /> [00:09:31.760 --&gt; 00:09:37.760] actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. Well, and I, I would jump in with<br /> [00:09:37.760 --&gt; 00:09:45.120] one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this only within the TST community. So,<br /> [00:09:45.120 --&gt; 00:09:49.840] it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister slack, um, which is only<br /> [00:09:49.840 --&gt; 00:09:55.440] two ministry and a congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited. So only people that<br /> [00:09:55.440 --&gt; 00:10:01.120] could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made<br /> [00:10:01.120 --&gt; 00:10:06.400] downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should not should.<br /> [00:10:06.400 --&gt; 00:10:12.640] I should not say that people that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of<br /> [00:10:12.640 --&gt; 00:10:18.240] parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come<br /> [00:10:18.240 --&gt; 00:10:22.960] to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. Right. So I wasn't blasted all over<br /> [00:10:22.960 --&gt; 00:10:27.840] Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> [00:10:27.840 --&gt; 00:10:32.560] Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucian, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll<br /> [00:10:32.560 --&gt; 00:10:37.840] let you speak for yourself. Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most approximate<br /> [00:10:37.840 --&gt; 00:10:43.920] events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most approximately, I got<br /> [00:10:43.920 --&gt; 00:10:50.880] these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how<br /> [00:10:50.880 --&gt; 00:10:58.400] they've outgrown TSD and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't<br /> [00:10:58.400 --&gt; 00:11:06.240] do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this<br /> [00:11:06.240 --&gt; 00:11:11.200] year. We weren't having Satan Khan that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently,<br /> [00:11:11.200 --&gt; 00:11:20.080] the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was<br /> [00:11:20.080 --&gt; 00:11:26.800] extremely ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the<br /> [00:11:26.800 --&gt; 00:11:32.960] things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general<br /> [00:11:32.960 --&gt; 00:11:38.080] when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged<br /> [00:11:38.080 --&gt; 00:11:43.440] with reproductive rights after school, state and club or any of these things if they don't have<br /> [00:11:43.440 --&gt; 00:11:50.160] an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues,<br /> [00:11:50.160 --&gt; 00:11:58.000] especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice<br /> [00:11:58.000 --&gt; 00:12:05.040] and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> [00:12:05.040 --&gt; 00:12:11.680] And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my<br /> [00:12:11.680 --&gt; 00:12:16.800] grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under.<br /> [00:12:16.800 --&gt; 00:12:23.520] This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working<br /> [00:12:23.520 --&gt; 00:12:30.800] with people who identify as ministers professionally acting this unprofessional in saying these types<br /> [00:12:30.800 --&gt; 00:12:36.800] of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership<br /> [00:12:36.800 --&gt; 00:12:42.480] fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together<br /> [00:12:42.480 --&gt; 00:12:48.640] and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking<br /> [00:12:48.640 --&gt; 00:12:55.040] my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it<br /> [00:12:55.040 --&gt; 00:13:03.040] either seemed insane to work with that kind of people like people who would actually discourage<br /> [00:13:03.040 --&gt; 00:13:11.200] one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to<br /> [00:13:11.200 --&gt; 00:13:18.480] work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of. So I sent out letters<br /> [00:13:18.480 --&gt; 00:13:24.240] in this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back in the point of this<br /> [00:13:24.240 --&gt; 00:13:30.400] message that this reply to me was at the real problem here. And I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember<br /> [00:13:30.400 --&gt; 00:13:37.680] the verbatim, but the real problem was my ignorant removal from the real day to day boots on the<br /> [00:13:37.680 --&gt; 00:13:46.080] ground of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this.<br /> [00:13:46.080 --&gt; 00:13:53.280] You got to go. And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up.<br /> [00:13:53.280 --&gt; 00:13:59.600] And I knew that would cause enough work because I have never done that kind of thing before. And<br /> [00:13:59.600 --&gt; 00:14:05.280] you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator,<br /> [00:14:05.280 --&gt; 00:14:10.240] but you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a<br /> [00:14:10.240 --&gt; 00:14:16.640] character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position and representing<br /> [00:14:16.640 --&gt; 00:14:22.640] us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and<br /> [00:14:22.640 --&gt; 00:14:27.680] the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was or having<br /> [00:14:27.680 --&gt; 00:14:32.560] outgrown the organization. I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave<br /> [00:14:32.560 --&gt; 00:14:39.280]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17090 2024-05-24T23:26:02Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Backstory */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> <br /> - TST Minnesota<br /> - TST Florida<br /> - TST Colorado<br /> - TST Australia<br /> - TST Alabama<br /> - TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> [00:00:00.000 --&gt; 00:00:05.760] Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, and Tommy Levine,<br /> [00:00:05.760 --&gt; 00:00:09.920] whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie,<br /> [00:00:09.920 --&gt; 00:00:15.900] our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives,<br /> [00:00:15.900 --&gt; 00:00:21.160] occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned.<br /> [00:00:21.160 --&gt; 00:00:26.240] We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered,<br /> [00:00:26.240 --&gt; 00:00:28.760] and reveal the humanity that unites us all.<br /> [00:00:28.760 --&gt; 00:00:32.760] So grab your favorite shallots and join us on this captivating journey.<br /> [00:00:32.760 --&gt; 00:00:37.320] Satanist Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world,<br /> [00:00:37.320 --&gt; 00:00:39.760] one captivating episode at a time.<br /> [00:00:39.760 --&gt; 00:01:03.320] Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanist Next Door.<br /> [00:01:03.320 --&gt; 00:01:10.160] So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas,<br /> [00:01:10.160 --&gt; 00:01:15.160] you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know,<br /> [00:01:15.160 --&gt; 00:01:19.400] the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws,<br /> [00:01:19.400 --&gt; 00:01:26.320] but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know,<br /> [00:01:26.320 --&gt; 00:01:35.120] TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know,<br /> [00:01:35.120 --&gt; 00:01:38.680] why, you know, the whole nine yards.<br /> [00:01:38.680 --&gt; 00:01:43.560] And with us to help us do this, we have Lucian. Hey, Lucian.<br /> [00:01:43.560 --&gt; 00:01:51.600] Hey, so I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, start from the beginning.<br /> [00:01:51.600 --&gt; 00:01:57.160] I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do,<br /> [00:01:57.160 --&gt; 00:02:01.720] and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote,<br /> [00:02:01.720 --&gt; 00:02:06.400] I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily<br /> [00:02:06.400 --&gt; 00:02:12.400] in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening.<br /> [00:02:12.400 --&gt; 00:02:17.760] So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together.<br /> [00:02:17.760 --&gt; 00:02:22.280] I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone<br /> [00:02:22.280 --&gt; 00:02:24.440] to kind of talk you through all of that.<br /> [00:02:24.440 --&gt; 00:02:32.400] And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across.<br /> [00:02:32.400 --&gt; 00:02:36.800] And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know,<br /> [00:02:36.800 --&gt; 00:02:44.320] still a stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation.<br /> [00:02:44.320 --&gt; 00:02:49.680] And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations<br /> [00:02:49.680 --&gt; 00:02:53.360] that would pop up. Now and again, you didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things<br /> [00:02:53.360 --&gt; 00:02:58.720] that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really<br /> [00:02:58.720 --&gt; 00:03:02.880] didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support.<br /> [00:03:02.880 --&gt; 00:03:06.800] So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening.<br /> [00:03:06.800 --&gt; 00:03:10.880] So I went in and they had shared a link to a signal chat.<br /> [00:03:10.880 --&gt; 00:03:15.600] So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was.<br /> [00:03:15.600 --&gt; 00:03:21.120] And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor<br /> [00:03:21.120 --&gt; 00:03:27.440] of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful.<br /> [00:03:27.440 --&gt; 00:03:32.080] They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was<br /> [00:03:32.080 --&gt; 00:03:38.160] division and there was anger towards executive ministry. There was a lot of people feeling<br /> [00:03:38.160 --&gt; 00:03:41.920] in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided<br /> [00:03:41.920 --&gt; 00:03:48.080] to share some really, yeah, it just tasteful and just rude. Honestly, it was rude.<br /> [00:03:48.080 --&gt; 00:03:52.480] But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right<br /> [00:03:52.480 --&gt; 00:03:55.760] to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became<br /> [00:03:55.760 --&gt; 00:04:01.280] progressively negative. And then I started seeing conversations about moving content,<br /> [00:04:01.280 --&gt; 00:04:06.320] not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about,<br /> [00:04:06.320 --&gt; 00:04:12.480] they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they<br /> [00:04:12.480 --&gt; 00:04:16.400] did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move,<br /> [00:04:16.400 --&gt; 00:04:21.680] what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people,<br /> [00:04:21.680 --&gt; 00:04:26.400] one of the ones in my own congregation and some of that I've known for quite a while. And I felt<br /> [00:04:26.400 --&gt; 00:04:31.840] really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these<br /> [00:04:31.840 --&gt; 00:04:36.880] folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what<br /> [00:04:36.880 --&gt; 00:04:41.200] to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with executive ministry when it came<br /> [00:04:41.200 --&gt; 00:04:46.560] to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen?<br /> [00:04:46.560 --&gt; 00:04:51.280] And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not<br /> [00:04:51.280 --&gt; 00:04:56.080] lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure,<br /> [00:04:56.080 --&gt; 00:04:58.800] excuse me, where to go with it. So,<br /> [00:04:59.440 --&gt; 00:05:02.240] well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> [00:05:02.240 --&gt; 00:05:07.440] Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things,<br /> [00:05:07.440 --&gt; 00:05:12.320] and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how<br /> [00:05:12.320 --&gt; 00:05:18.880] much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well,<br /> [00:05:18.880 --&gt; 00:05:24.640] yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened,<br /> [00:05:24.640 --&gt; 00:05:30.560] then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit,<br /> [00:05:30.560 --&gt; 00:05:34.400] look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this<br /> [00:05:34.400 --&gt; 00:05:41.360] situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to<br /> [00:05:41.360 --&gt; 00:05:45.920] also include. I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations<br /> [00:05:45.920 --&gt; 00:05:50.160] with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously,<br /> [00:05:50.160 --&gt; 00:05:54.080] because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it.<br /> [00:05:54.080 --&gt; 00:05:58.000] That I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments.<br /> [00:05:58.000 --&gt; 00:06:04.560] And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry,<br /> [00:06:04.560 --&gt; 00:06:10.400] but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening<br /> [00:06:10.400 --&gt; 00:06:14.880] this year. This is a very heavy election year. A lot of people are already stressed and scared.<br /> [00:06:14.880 --&gt; 00:06:20.320] There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird<br /> [00:06:20.320 --&gt; 00:06:23.920] stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question.<br /> [00:06:23.920 --&gt; 00:06:29.200] Materials being taken from school is like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap?<br /> [00:06:29.200 --&gt; 00:06:33.680] There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated<br /> [00:06:33.680 --&gt; 00:06:40.400] with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this<br /> [00:06:40.400 --&gt; 00:06:44.800] all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about,<br /> [00:06:44.800 --&gt; 00:06:48.880] you know, what about the tenants and, you know, EMs obligated to follow these tenants just like<br /> [00:06:48.880 --&gt; 00:06:54.240] everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with<br /> [00:06:54.240 --&gt; 00:07:00.320] the things? And as this hall unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that<br /> [00:07:00.320 --&gt; 00:07:08.240] made the memes and Lucian. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucian,<br /> [00:07:08.240 --&gt; 00:07:11.680] I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later. It seemed<br /> [00:07:11.680 --&gt; 00:07:17.120] had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious<br /> [00:07:17.120 --&gt; 00:07:22.400] nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste. I thought it was,<br /> [00:07:22.400 --&gt; 00:07:28.400] you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people<br /> [00:07:28.400 --&gt; 00:07:32.160] are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And,<br /> [00:07:32.160 --&gt; 00:07:36.560] you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of<br /> [00:07:36.560 --&gt; 00:07:40.400] the tenants and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well,<br /> [00:07:40.400 --&gt; 00:07:45.360] what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get<br /> [00:07:45.360 --&gt; 00:07:49.120] heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions.<br /> [00:07:49.120 --&gt; 00:07:54.000] Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it<br /> [00:07:54.000 --&gt; 00:07:59.520] to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> [00:07:59.520 --&gt; 00:08:06.080] And we share you shared what you saw with the M with the M and I and I wanted to know, you know,<br /> [00:08:06.080 --&gt; 00:08:09.920] I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid<br /> [00:08:09.920 --&gt; 00:08:14.560] witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just<br /> [00:08:14.560 --&gt; 00:08:19.520] suddenly get a wild hair and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after<br /> [00:08:19.520 --&gt; 00:08:24.880] people for the hell of it. So so I wrote this out in the hopes that and in the spirit that it<br /> [00:08:24.880 --&gt; 00:08:29.280] would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no<br /> [00:08:29.280 --&gt; 00:08:35.200] transparency. And I felt the oneness was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals<br /> [00:08:35.200 --&gt; 00:08:41.040] were brought to Am's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said,<br /> [00:08:41.040 --&gt; 00:08:46.000] here's what I saw presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words.<br /> [00:08:46.000 --&gt; 00:08:50.720] I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based<br /> [00:08:50.720 --&gt; 00:08:55.760] on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't<br /> [00:08:55.760 --&gt; 00:09:02.160] some wild, you know, the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up.<br /> [00:09:02.160 --&gt; 00:09:07.280] I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about<br /> [00:09:07.280 --&gt; 00:09:13.840] so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So,<br /> [00:09:13.840 --&gt; 00:09:19.200] you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it<br /> [00:09:19.200 --&gt; 00:09:23.680] to Lucian to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,<br /> [00:09:23.680 --&gt; 00:09:27.120] you know, granted people have ever had to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't be<br /> [00:09:27.120 --&gt; 00:09:31.760] grudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I<br /> [00:09:31.760 --&gt; 00:09:37.760] actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. Well, and I, I would jump in with<br /> [00:09:37.760 --&gt; 00:09:45.120] one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this only within the TST community. So,<br /> [00:09:45.120 --&gt; 00:09:49.840] it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister slack, um, which is only<br /> [00:09:49.840 --&gt; 00:09:55.440] two ministry and a congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited. So only people that<br /> [00:09:55.440 --&gt; 00:10:01.120] could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made<br /> [00:10:01.120 --&gt; 00:10:06.400] downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should not should.<br /> [00:10:06.400 --&gt; 00:10:12.640] I should not say that people that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of<br /> [00:10:12.640 --&gt; 00:10:18.240] parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come<br /> [00:10:18.240 --&gt; 00:10:22.960] to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. Right. So I wasn't blasted all over<br /> [00:10:22.960 --&gt; 00:10:27.840] Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> [00:10:27.840 --&gt; 00:10:32.560] Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucian, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll<br /> [00:10:32.560 --&gt; 00:10:37.840] let you speak for yourself. Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most approximate<br /> [00:10:37.840 --&gt; 00:10:43.920] events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most approximately, I got<br /> [00:10:43.920 --&gt; 00:10:50.880] these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how<br /> [00:10:50.880 --&gt; 00:10:58.400] they've outgrown TSD and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't<br /> [00:10:58.400 --&gt; 00:11:06.240] do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this<br /> [00:11:06.240 --&gt; 00:11:11.200] year. We weren't having Satan Khan that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently,<br /> [00:11:11.200 --&gt; 00:11:20.080] the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was<br /> [00:11:20.080 --&gt; 00:11:26.800] extremely ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the<br /> [00:11:26.800 --&gt; 00:11:32.960] things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general<br /> [00:11:32.960 --&gt; 00:11:38.080] when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged<br /> [00:11:38.080 --&gt; 00:11:43.440] with reproductive rights after school, state and club or any of these things if they don't have<br /> [00:11:43.440 --&gt; 00:11:50.160] an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues,<br /> [00:11:50.160 --&gt; 00:11:58.000] especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice<br /> [00:11:58.000 --&gt; 00:12:05.040] and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> [00:12:05.040 --&gt; 00:12:11.680] And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my<br /> [00:12:11.680 --&gt; 00:12:16.800] grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under.<br /> [00:12:16.800 --&gt; 00:12:23.520] This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working<br /> [00:12:23.520 --&gt; 00:12:30.800] with people who identify as ministers professionally acting this unprofessional in saying these types<br /> [00:12:30.800 --&gt; 00:12:36.800] of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership<br /> [00:12:36.800 --&gt; 00:12:42.480] fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together<br /> [00:12:42.480 --&gt; 00:12:48.640] and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking<br /> [00:12:48.640 --&gt; 00:12:55.040] my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it<br /> [00:12:55.040 --&gt; 00:13:03.040] either seemed insane to work with that kind of people like people who would actually discourage<br /> [00:13:03.040 --&gt; 00:13:11.200] one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to<br /> [00:13:11.200 --&gt; 00:13:18.480] work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of. So I sent out letters<br /> [00:13:18.480 --&gt; 00:13:24.240] in this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back in the point of this<br /> [00:13:24.240 --&gt; 00:13:30.400] message that this reply to me was at the real problem here. And I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember<br /> [00:13:30.400 --&gt; 00:13:37.680] the verbatim, but the real problem was my ignorant removal from the real day to day boots on the<br /> [00:13:37.680 --&gt; 00:13:46.080] ground of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this.<br /> [00:13:46.080 --&gt; 00:13:53.280] You got to go. And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up.<br /> [00:13:53.280 --&gt; 00:13:59.600] And I knew that would cause enough work because I have never done that kind of thing before. And<br /> [00:13:59.600 --&gt; 00:14:05.280] you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator,<br /> [00:14:05.280 --&gt; 00:14:10.240] but you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a<br /> [00:14:10.240 --&gt; 00:14:16.640] character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position and representing<br /> [00:14:16.640 --&gt; 00:14:22.640] us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and<br /> [00:14:22.640 --&gt; 00:14:27.680] the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was or having<br /> [00:14:27.680 --&gt; 00:14:32.560] outgrown the organization. I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave<br /> [00:14:32.560 --&gt; 00:14:39.280]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/The_Satanists_Nextdoor_Ep46_Internal_Strife_and_the_Path_Forward_for_TST&diff=17089 2024-05-24T23:25:04Z

<p>Osmiris: </p> <hr /> <div><br /> ==Backstory==<br /> In May 2024, another mass departure started from TST. This started after a series of emails from [[Doug Misicko]], aka [[Lucien Greaves]], were published, in which a Minister was fired from TST.<br /> <br /> The spat centred around [[Doug Misicko|Doug]]'s authoritarian management style and aggressive responses to criticism — which worsened as internal discontent spread and he doubled down.<br /> <br /> In this context, Doug appeared as a guest on the podcast series &quot;The Satanists Next Door&quot;, to defend his actions. This was received poorly by the membership.<br /> <br /> A number of TST Chapters ultimately disaffiliated during this schism, so far including:<br /> -TST Minnesota<br /> -TST Florida<br /> -TST Colorado<br /> ^(these three are part of the “Coalition of Satanic Congregations”)<br /> -TST Australia<br /> -TST Alabama<br /> -TST North Carolina<br /> <br /> ==Show Notes (as published)==<br /> In this episode, Tommy and Lilin shift their focus from the planned discussion on abortion laws in Texas to address the recent internal conflicts within The Satanic Temple (TST). Joined by Lucien Greaves, they delve into the controversy surrounding TST leadership and ministerial disputes that have erupted over the past week.<br /> <br /> The conversation begins with Lilin recounting her experience of discovering and confronting a group within TST that was sharing derogatory memes and discussing potentially harmful actions against the organization. As the situation escalated, it became clear that this was more than just idle chatter, leading to serious concerns about the intentions of some members.<br /> <br /> Lucien provides his perspective on the matter, explaining the gravity of the situation and the steps taken to address it. He highlights the importance of maintaining professionalism and the challenges of managing an organization where internal strife can easily undermine the collective mission. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of these internal issues, especially in the context of the upcoming election year and the ongoing fight for religious and reproductive rights.<br /> <br /> Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the need for transparency, accountability, and unity within TST. They call on members to engage constructively, uphold the organization's values, and support each other in the face of external and internal challenges. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of solidarity and the collective effort required to advance TST's mission.<br /> <br /> Join Tommy, Lilin, and Lucien as they navigate this complex and contentious topic, urging listeners to stay informed, get involved by contacting info@thesatanictemple.com, and contribute to a stronger, healthier, more cohesive TST community.<br /> https://www.satanistsnextdoor.com/ep46-internal-strife-and-the-path-forward-for-tst/<br /> <br /> == Transcript ==<br /> <br /> [00:00:00.000 --&gt; 00:00:05.760] Welcome dear listeners to Satanist Next Door, we're your hosts, Lilin Lavin, and Tommy Levine,<br /> [00:00:05.760 --&gt; 00:00:09.920] whether you're an open-minded curious onlooker or fellow Satanist seeking camaraderie,<br /> [00:00:09.920 --&gt; 00:00:15.900] our goal is to share our personal experiences and delve into the intricate tapestry of Satanism in our daily lives,<br /> [00:00:15.900 --&gt; 00:00:21.160] occasionally inviting other guests to share their unique perspectives leaving no pentagram, unturned.<br /> [00:00:21.160 --&gt; 00:00:26.240] We'll explore how our beliefs shape our views on society, dive into struggles and triumphs we've encountered,<br /> [00:00:26.240 --&gt; 00:00:28.760] and reveal the humanity that unites us all.<br /> [00:00:28.760 --&gt; 00:00:32.760] So grab your favorite shallots and join us on this captivating journey.<br /> [00:00:32.760 --&gt; 00:00:37.320] Satanist Next Door is ready to peel back the curtain and offer you a glimpse into our world,<br /> [00:00:37.320 --&gt; 00:00:39.760] one captivating episode at a time.<br /> [00:00:39.760 --&gt; 00:01:03.320] Hello and welcome to another episode of Satanist Next Door.<br /> [00:01:03.320 --&gt; 00:01:10.160] So today we were originally going to talk about abortion, the abortion laws in Texas,<br /> [00:01:10.160 --&gt; 00:01:15.160] you know, given that our daughter just gave birth to our first grandson and, you know,<br /> [00:01:15.160 --&gt; 00:01:19.400] the conflicting emotions that go around that with all of these restrictive laws,<br /> [00:01:19.400 --&gt; 00:01:26.320] but giving, you know, all the shit that went down this week with inside of, you know,<br /> [00:01:26.320 --&gt; 00:01:35.120] TST leadership, some of the ministerial stuff, I thought we should cover that and actually get the story out there, you know,<br /> [00:01:35.120 --&gt; 00:01:38.680] why, you know, the whole nine yards.<br /> [00:01:38.680 --&gt; 00:01:43.560] And with us to help us do this, we have Lucian. Hey, Lucian.<br /> [00:01:43.560 --&gt; 00:01:51.600] Hey, so I figure we should probably just start from the beginning, start from the beginning.<br /> [00:01:51.600 --&gt; 00:01:57.160] I wasn't even sure if we'd have this conversation, just knowing that it would be a tense thing to do,<br /> [00:01:57.160 --&gt; 00:02:01.720] and there was already a lot of opinions, but I think kind of in the spirit of what I wrote,<br /> [00:02:01.720 --&gt; 00:02:06.400] I thought it was important to follow it up for other people to understand that weren't necessarily<br /> [00:02:06.400 --&gt; 00:02:12.400] in a position to read what I'd shared or to understand the full picture of what was happening.<br /> [00:02:12.400 --&gt; 00:02:17.760] So my daughter recently had a baby and we were all celebrating together.<br /> [00:02:17.760 --&gt; 00:02:22.280] I was helping them with, with all that comes with it, you know, the sleeplessness and just having someone<br /> [00:02:22.280 --&gt; 00:02:24.440] to kind of talk you through all of that.<br /> [00:02:24.440 --&gt; 00:02:32.400] And I started seeing some messages in a conversation about some memes or something that had just come across.<br /> [00:02:32.400 --&gt; 00:02:36.800] And I was only half paying attention, kind of figuring it was just the normal still, you know,<br /> [00:02:36.800 --&gt; 00:02:44.320] still a stuff that people shared. So it wasn't until I started seeing other people also having this conversation.<br /> [00:02:44.320 --&gt; 00:02:49.680] And there was a group where many people had gotten together during other really difficult situations<br /> [00:02:49.680 --&gt; 00:02:53.360] that would pop up. Now and again, you didn't get a lot of them, but there would be serious things<br /> [00:02:53.360 --&gt; 00:02:58.720] that people would join together really quickly to find ways to deal with it and make sure that it really<br /> [00:02:58.720 --&gt; 00:03:02.880] didn't affect congregations and people in general and provide support.<br /> [00:03:02.880 --&gt; 00:03:06.800] So when I saw this group become active, I assumed that was what was happening.<br /> [00:03:06.800 --&gt; 00:03:10.880] So I went in and they had shared a link to a signal chat.<br /> [00:03:10.880 --&gt; 00:03:15.600] So I went in just to kind of see what the conversation was and what the plan was.<br /> [00:03:15.600 --&gt; 00:03:21.120] And they were talking about the memes, but I quickly realized that they were in favor<br /> [00:03:21.120 --&gt; 00:03:27.440] of what was shared and granted the memes were, in my opinion, not very tasteful.<br /> [00:03:27.440 --&gt; 00:03:32.080] They were, you know, something that was divisive when people had already expressed that there was<br /> [00:03:32.080 --&gt; 00:03:38.160] division and there was anger towards executive ministry. There was a lot of people feeling<br /> [00:03:38.160 --&gt; 00:03:41.920] in certain ways. And instead of talking about it constructively, a group of people decided<br /> [00:03:41.920 --&gt; 00:03:48.080] to share some really, yeah, it just tasteful and just rude. Honestly, it was rude.<br /> [00:03:48.080 --&gt; 00:03:52.480] But that wasn't, that's in and of itself is not an issue, right? People had the right<br /> [00:03:52.480 --&gt; 00:03:55.760] to blow off steam, but it's when they started talking about all these things and it became<br /> [00:03:55.760 --&gt; 00:04:01.280] progressively negative. And then I started seeing conversations about moving content,<br /> [00:04:01.280 --&gt; 00:04:06.320] not that they had done it, not that, you know, it was something that they were thinking about,<br /> [00:04:06.320 --&gt; 00:04:12.480] they had talked about, and then it went into emails, it went into files. Again, not saying that they<br /> [00:04:12.480 --&gt; 00:04:16.400] did it, but they were planning it. They were talking about how you would do it, what you would move,<br /> [00:04:16.400 --&gt; 00:04:21.680] what that would look like. And I started to really panic because I knew several of these people,<br /> [00:04:21.680 --&gt; 00:04:26.400] one of the ones in my own congregation and some of that I've known for quite a while. And I felt<br /> [00:04:26.400 --&gt; 00:04:31.840] really horrible because I realized I was going to have to make a decision knowing some of these<br /> [00:04:31.840 --&gt; 00:04:36.880] folks were in committees that would take these kind of complaints. I didn't know exactly what<br /> [00:04:36.880 --&gt; 00:04:41.200] to do. I hadn't really had a lot of serious discussions with executive ministry when it came<br /> [00:04:41.200 --&gt; 00:04:46.560] to these situations. So do I send it to them? What does that look like? What's going to happen?<br /> [00:04:46.560 --&gt; 00:04:51.280] And what will this look like for these people that I consider my friends? Because this was not<br /> [00:04:51.280 --&gt; 00:04:56.080] lighthearted stuff. It was definitely things I kind of panicked about. And I wasn't sure,<br /> [00:04:56.080 --&gt; 00:04:58.800] excuse me, where to go with it. So,<br /> [00:04:59.440 --&gt; 00:05:02.240] well, I would say you also didn't know what it would mean for you, too.<br /> [00:05:02.240 --&gt; 00:05:07.440] Well, I had an idea because I'd seen some stuff in the past where people had talked about things,<br /> [00:05:07.440 --&gt; 00:05:12.320] and I knew that there were some individuals that would get very negative. But I didn't know how<br /> [00:05:12.320 --&gt; 00:05:18.880] much. I didn't know the ramifications. And I definitely had some concerns. But I figured, well,<br /> [00:05:18.880 --&gt; 00:05:24.640] yeah, maybe I won't be someone people like very much. But honestly, if they see what happened,<br /> [00:05:24.640 --&gt; 00:05:30.560] then surely that would make sense to them. And they would want to maybe think about a little bit,<br /> [00:05:30.560 --&gt; 00:05:34.400] look at it a little bit, and then they would realize, yeah, that there was a gravity to this<br /> [00:05:34.400 --&gt; 00:05:41.360] situation that merited doing something about it. So I decided to write out what I saw and try to<br /> [00:05:41.360 --&gt; 00:05:45.920] also include. I had seen a lot of comments in the community. I tried to have a few conversations<br /> [00:05:45.920 --&gt; 00:05:50.160] with people in my region. I had known things that I couldn't share with people, obviously,<br /> [00:05:50.160 --&gt; 00:05:54.080] because I had a responsibility to send that somewhere else for other people to deal with it.<br /> [00:05:54.080 --&gt; 00:05:58.000] That I was really aggravated because a lot of people made a lot of light-hearted comments.<br /> [00:05:58.000 --&gt; 00:06:04.560] And I didn't agree. I had a lot more context than they did. So I couldn't say why I was so angry,<br /> [00:06:04.560 --&gt; 00:06:10.400] but I definitely expressed, why would you guys be doing this? We have so many things happening<br /> [00:06:10.400 --&gt; 00:06:14.880] this year. This is a very heavy election year. A lot of people are already stressed and scared.<br /> [00:06:14.880 --&gt; 00:06:20.320] There's a lot of reproductive rights issues. There's LGBTQIA issues. There's a lot of really weird<br /> [00:06:20.320 --&gt; 00:06:23.920] stuff happening in the Supreme Court. Our religion has literally been called into question.<br /> [00:06:23.920 --&gt; 00:06:29.200] Materials being taken from school is like, why are you wasting your time with this stupid crap?<br /> [00:06:29.200 --&gt; 00:06:33.680] There's so much to do. Why don't we just work on doing that? And people actually got irritated<br /> [00:06:33.680 --&gt; 00:06:40.400] with me and, you know, fine, but there was so much going on and I didn't understand. So I wrote this<br /> [00:06:40.400 --&gt; 00:06:44.800] all out. I took in some of the things the community had mentioned. A lot of people complained about,<br /> [00:06:44.800 --&gt; 00:06:48.880] you know, what about the tenants and, you know, EMs obligated to follow these tenants just like<br /> [00:06:48.880 --&gt; 00:06:54.240] everyone else. And what about the invocation? You know, what about the invocation would align with<br /> [00:06:54.240 --&gt; 00:07:00.320] the things? And as this hall unfolded, the letters that had been shared between the individual that<br /> [00:07:00.320 --&gt; 00:07:08.240] made the memes and Lucian. And rightfully, it was very insulting and negative. So Lucian,<br /> [00:07:08.240 --&gt; 00:07:11.680] I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'll let you take care of that later. It seemed<br /> [00:07:11.680 --&gt; 00:07:17.120] had confronted the situation in as eloquent a manner as possible considering just the egregious<br /> [00:07:17.120 --&gt; 00:07:22.400] nature of it. And I don't even feel it was bad. It was not done in bad taste. I thought it was,<br /> [00:07:22.400 --&gt; 00:07:28.400] you know, pretty to the point. And then they shared, of course, the response, right? So people<br /> [00:07:28.400 --&gt; 00:07:32.160] are having this whole conversation, but well, they should be held to a higher standard. And,<br /> [00:07:32.160 --&gt; 00:07:36.560] you know, people have a right to feelings. And all these things should be taken into the context of<br /> [00:07:36.560 --&gt; 00:07:40.400] the tenants and the, you know, spirit of which we put all these things out. And I'm like, well,<br /> [00:07:40.400 --&gt; 00:07:45.360] what about their feelings? You do realize they're people, right? So that kind of started to get<br /> [00:07:45.360 --&gt; 00:07:49.120] heated. And I said, you know, it doesn't even matter. I'm not going to get into these discussions.<br /> [00:07:49.120 --&gt; 00:07:54.000] Nothing healthy is coming from it. I wrote out what I saw going on. I tried to present it<br /> [00:07:54.000 --&gt; 00:07:59.520] to the community in a way that it I felt would make sense. I'd already shared what I had seen.<br /> [00:07:59.520 --&gt; 00:08:06.080] And we share you shared what you saw with the M with the M and I and I wanted to know, you know,<br /> [00:08:06.080 --&gt; 00:08:09.920] I know you're getting a lot of flack for this. People are acting like you guys are on a paranoid<br /> [00:08:09.920 --&gt; 00:08:14.560] witch hunt. I don't feel comfortable with that. I need people to understand you guys didn't just<br /> [00:08:14.560 --&gt; 00:08:19.520] suddenly get a wild hair and say, you know, let's just go on a spree and start just going after<br /> [00:08:19.520 --&gt; 00:08:24.880] people for the hell of it. So so I wrote this out in the hopes that and in the spirit that it<br /> [00:08:24.880 --&gt; 00:08:29.280] would bring transparency. All I ever see people say is there's no communication. There's no<br /> [00:08:29.280 --&gt; 00:08:35.200] transparency. And I felt the oneness was on me because I'm the reason that these individuals<br /> [00:08:35.200 --&gt; 00:08:41.040] were brought to Am's attention. And I didn't give any guidance on what should happen. I just said,<br /> [00:08:41.040 --&gt; 00:08:46.000] here's what I saw presented everything as I saw it. I didn't do it in my own words.<br /> [00:08:46.000 --&gt; 00:08:50.720] I literally just gave them what happened. And the decisions that came after that were based<br /> [00:08:50.720 --&gt; 00:08:55.760] on that information. But what I really needed was for the community to understand this wasn't<br /> [00:08:55.760 --&gt; 00:09:02.160] some wild, you know, the wall witch hunt. And so I felt that this would help to clear that up.<br /> [00:09:02.160 --&gt; 00:09:07.280] I truly thought that people would use all this, you know, reason and logic that we talk about<br /> [00:09:07.280 --&gt; 00:09:13.840] so lawfully and don't actually seem to apply to ourselves, which I found really upsetting. So,<br /> [00:09:13.840 --&gt; 00:09:19.200] you know, that's pretty much where I found myself. And then, um, yeah, I'll, I'll kind of give it<br /> [00:09:19.200 --&gt; 00:09:23.680] to Lucian to talk about his perspective. But that's what happened. And I really feel like,<br /> [00:09:23.680 --&gt; 00:09:27.120] you know, granted people have ever had to feel the way they're going to feel. And I don't be<br /> [00:09:27.120 --&gt; 00:09:31.760] grudge people if they're angry with me. I do hope that they maybe take some time to look at what I<br /> [00:09:31.760 --&gt; 00:09:37.760] actually, um, shared and why I felt compelled to do what I did. Well, and I, I would jump in with<br /> [00:09:37.760 --&gt; 00:09:45.120] one thing really quick. Um, just for context, you shared this only within the TST community. So,<br /> [00:09:45.120 --&gt; 00:09:49.840] it's not like not just the TST community. It was strictly in the minister slack, um, which is only<br /> [00:09:49.840 --&gt; 00:09:55.440] two ministry and a congregation heads are part of that. And it was limited. So only people that<br /> [00:09:55.440 --&gt; 00:10:01.120] could view it were people that were in TST and had TST org access. And it wasn't even made<br /> [00:10:01.120 --&gt; 00:10:06.400] downloadable. So the hope was that it, you know, I was sharing it with people that should not should.<br /> [00:10:06.400 --&gt; 00:10:12.640] I should not say that people that I felt would be able to look at it and hopefully kind of<br /> [00:10:12.640 --&gt; 00:10:18.240] parse it and see the spirit that, like I said, the spirit that I was shared and reason it and come<br /> [00:10:18.240 --&gt; 00:10:22.960] to why I just wanted them to come to a conclusion either way. Right. So I wasn't blasted all over<br /> [00:10:22.960 --&gt; 00:10:27.840] Twitter and social media and all that sort of shit. Cool. I just wanted to clarify that part.<br /> [00:10:27.840 --&gt; 00:10:32.560] Thank you. So yeah, I guess, Lucian, I'll hand it to you because I can't speak for you, but I'll<br /> [00:10:32.560 --&gt; 00:10:37.840] let you speak for yourself. Well, yeah, let me talk about what happens in the most approximate<br /> [00:10:37.840 --&gt; 00:10:43.920] events. And then I'll feel like further background context to it. But most approximately, I got<br /> [00:10:43.920 --&gt; 00:10:50.880] these screenshots of a group of ministers acting really childish on Facebook, talking about how<br /> [00:10:50.880 --&gt; 00:10:58.400] they've outgrown TSD and generally talking about what a piece of shit I am and how I really don't<br /> [00:10:58.400 --&gt; 00:11:06.240] do anything but post on Patreon. And their major beef was that we weren't having a convention this<br /> [00:11:06.240 --&gt; 00:11:11.200] year. We weren't having Satan Khan that we had the audacity to cancel it. And apparently,<br /> [00:11:11.200 --&gt; 00:11:20.080] the function of EM is only to finance the parties that we have annually. And I thought that was<br /> [00:11:20.080 --&gt; 00:11:26.800] extremely ignorant given the intensity of things that are happening in this election year. All the<br /> [00:11:26.800 --&gt; 00:11:32.960] things we've been dealing with and how little interaction I've seen with the ministry in general<br /> [00:11:32.960 --&gt; 00:11:38.080] when it comes to some of these primary issues. And I really have never asked people to be engaged<br /> [00:11:38.080 --&gt; 00:11:43.440] with reproductive rights after school, state and club or any of these things if they don't have<br /> [00:11:43.440 --&gt; 00:11:50.160] an interest in them. But to openly be disrespecting me and EM for working on these issues,<br /> [00:11:50.160 --&gt; 00:11:58.000] especially when you're talking about politicians working to literally illegalize our practice<br /> [00:11:58.000 --&gt; 00:12:05.040] and to act like this is something superfluous that we're doing seemed to me is absolutely insane.<br /> [00:12:05.040 --&gt; 00:12:11.680] And so I emailed the primary minister who had been posting these memes. And I laid out my<br /> [00:12:11.680 --&gt; 00:12:16.800] grievances. I said, these are the things I'm working on. This is the duress we're under.<br /> [00:12:16.800 --&gt; 00:12:23.520] This is the situation we're in with this. This is the dire state of needs we have. And we're working<br /> [00:12:23.520 --&gt; 00:12:30.800] with people who identify as ministers professionally acting this unprofessional in saying these types<br /> [00:12:30.800 --&gt; 00:12:36.800] of things publicly. And furthermore, being that they don't pay dues, they don't pay membership<br /> [00:12:36.800 --&gt; 00:12:42.480] fees. There's no startup costs. And they're using this kind of network we had put together<br /> [00:12:42.480 --&gt; 00:12:48.640] and in using it as the resource for the things they do. The fact that they appear to be attacking<br /> [00:12:48.640 --&gt; 00:12:55.040] my livelihood by congratulating each other for not subscribing to my content and not reading it<br /> [00:12:55.040 --&gt; 00:13:03.040] either seemed insane to work with that kind of people like people who would actually discourage<br /> [00:13:03.040 --&gt; 00:13:11.200] one another from possibly contributing to my income that makes it possible for me to<br /> [00:13:11.200 --&gt; 00:13:18.480] work over full time hours for this organization. They enjoy the benefits of. So I sent out letters<br /> [00:13:18.480 --&gt; 00:13:24.240] in this minister kind of outlining this. And I get a shitty reply back in the point of this<br /> [00:13:24.240 --&gt; 00:13:30.400] message that this reply to me was at the real problem here. And I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember<br /> [00:13:30.400 --&gt; 00:13:37.680] the verbatim, but the real problem was my ignorant removal from the real day to day boots on the<br /> [00:13:37.680 --&gt; 00:13:46.080] ground of TST. So my response to that was, well, then get gone. You know, I can't work with this.<br /> [00:13:46.080 --&gt; 00:13:53.280] You got to go. And so he was fired. And I messaged people and said, remove him. That's it. He's up.<br /> [00:13:53.280 --&gt; 00:13:59.600] And I knew that would cause enough work because I have never done that kind of thing before. And<br /> [00:13:59.600 --&gt; 00:14:05.280] you know, you see that now in the reactions, all of a sudden they're acting like I'm a dictator,<br /> [00:14:05.280 --&gt; 00:14:10.240] but you know, it is a weird kind of dictator in which you didn't even know that I was a<br /> [00:14:10.240 --&gt; 00:14:16.640] character who actually had the power to remove you from your professional position and representing<br /> [00:14:16.640 --&gt; 00:14:22.640] us. But when you have somebody who's going to disparage the management of the organization and<br /> [00:14:22.640 --&gt; 00:14:27.680] the organization itself and talk about having left the organization, I felt it was or having<br /> [00:14:27.680 --&gt; 00:14:32.560] outgrown the organization. I feel it's completely legitimate to suggest maybe you shouldn't leave<br /> [00:14:32.560 --&gt; 00:14:39.280]</div>

Osmiris https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet&diff=16912 2023-03-03T14:34:36Z

<p>Osmiris: /* Letter A */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ''[music plays]''<br /> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgmdnxtz3Bo Song: The Three Stooges: Swinging the Alphabet]<br /> [music stops at 01:46]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Doug. (Doug, faintly: Yes.) Can't even hear you. Try it again. [faintly: I don't know], Try it again, Doug. (Doug: Okay.) ah, there we are. Very good. Amy. (Amy, faintly: Hello.) I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk into the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :All right. What's up. We're reprives-''(sic)'', priving-''(sic)'' Our role- pre-. How do you say that? Reprising? Yeah. (Amy: Reprising?) Something. We're reenacting our roles in the 9/11 broadcast right now. (Doug: Married and stupid.) This time Doug isn't refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time, remember? (Shane: Your ride's here.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is, they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :In order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show, and bands that start with the letter A or B or C. We really don't have a name but- (Amy: The Alphabet Show?) The Alphabet Show. Doug says &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot;, that- you know, how typical. (Doug: Filth.) (Amy: Filth, was the-) Filth, how, how- your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably would he's atypical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :Yeah. That was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :It should be the ABCs without W. (Amy: Why no W?) 'Cos our world is a world without W.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know, they call the president? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush W].<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :Our world is dominated by W (Doug, raising his voice: but, I'd rather, I'd rather it wasn't!)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:30<br /> :Hey, going to W. This is A. And speaking of A, ''asshole''...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :Hey, I got my [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Stripes White Stripes] CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking A, now see? (Doug: ''[laughing]'' C?) Asshole. Animosity. Aggravation.<br /> <br /> == Anencephaly ==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :Anencephalic. (Shane: Oh, hey man-) (Amy: Atrophy.) That's my favorite A word.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :Nah, you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No, it means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What is that word again? (Doug: Anencephalic.) Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :Yeah, it's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the collapsed heads in little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :That's what happened to Prince's kid. [ed note: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)#Personal_life Amiir Nelson]]<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Wow, so that is- what happened to Prince's kid? An-a-phallic-jalic? ''(sic)''<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :Born without a brain. [ed note: actually [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfeiffer_syndrome Pfeiffer syndrome], not anencephaly]<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Did he smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? (Doug: I dunno.) &quot;Born without a brain&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :I couldn't tell you. (Shane: But what is the name, what is that again?) Anencephalic. (Shane: Ana-sana-phallic? ''(sic)'') Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :Ah, I got it. Well, we're onto another word.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :I think Doug's making up words. (Shane: Yeah, Doug's just fucking with everyone.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :True word. Medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, any good stories? John- Doug. You got any good stories about anna-phalla-atic ''(sic)''?.<br /> <br /> == Doug wants to buy a fetus==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met one, but if anybody's willing to sell me one...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickled punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had, was Prince's son, huh?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they won't know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic?<br /> <br /> == Shane on meeting Amy==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Nah, they're just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. (Doug, snickering: You're right.) (Amy: That starts with A.) (Doug: Yeah.) And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy- and Amy, my favorite A word of all, Amy. Beautiful Amy. (Amy: Aww, you're sweet.) Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running through the streets angry looking for a mad fix. (Amy: Exactly) Something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? (Shane: No.) Makes me so angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> == Shane recounts a story about an escort ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier a good story. I think about something about anal, we said was, we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything. A, anal. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A, ass. and, you know, she thought, she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. (Doug: But did she eat it?) And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She- I don't know. Maybe if she, he, I paid extra she may have that's maybe why she was so filthed out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, well, maybe you should get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town on these people. She was really disgusted by the- it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ass. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just filthed here out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim, you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been. (Shane: Yeah.) Or she had really long fingernails or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :She also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked in that trade said it was common, that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty, and a lot of the girls had figured that was- they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty. And sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta good anal story. (Shane: Oh! Okay.) One time. I stuck a candle in this guy's butt.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :No, no, he was wide awake.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Doug, take your pants off if you want. It's a good one. (Doug: All right.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So, so (Shane: Chocolate, anyone?) (Doug: No, no.) this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :''(muffled)'' Hey, hold on. I'm eating chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. Explain to him it wasn't me. (Amy: It wasn't Shane.) I do like my ass worked. Okay. (Doug: Alright.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your- boy, you're eating ''nutty'' chocolate, I realized.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :It was a born again Christian I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the ass worked?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :Oh, yeah. He- I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And all of a sudden-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:40<br /> :Do you mean hot looking?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :No. I mean, it was- (Doug: The friction's creating heat.) heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :It was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :I pulled it out, and half the candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke off inside of them. And I didn't tell him or anything. I just figured he'd poop it out later, but- (Doug: He probably had to go to the doctor for that.) No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass that dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? (Amy: Mm-hm.) And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop, I think.<br /> <br /> == Doug on anal sex ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :Doug: I gotta ask. (Doug: All right.) Why have you never had your ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just- I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can't say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess- I guess. (Shane: You guess?) Perhaps. (Shane: Perhaps? You ever thought about it?) No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Are you sweaty down below thinking about it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :No, if it did I'd do it, but it hasn't, so I haven't.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :You know, there's the prostate up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :That's what I hear, it's supposed to be like a male G-spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :A gay man told me that before. (Shane, shouting: HEY!)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about &quot;a gay man once told me&quot;, (Doug: And now I'm looking at you again.) Exactly. Doug's giving me the one brown eye he's got.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :No, no, it was another- it was a gay guy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :Another ga-? I'll fucking beat your fucking skull in like a goddamn wife abuser, man! We're on live radio. (Amy laughs) I just told the whole EvilNow group to join in. &quot;Another gay man.&quot; Thanks, Amy. Thanks.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :No, it was this gay guy. (Shane: Uh-huh? You fucking bitch.) He used to date, oh, you know who he used to date was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Day-Lewis Daniel Day-Lewis]. Anyway-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :We'll save that for Ds. Tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis getting his ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :Yeah, so, I was having a after-hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true! All- you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Well, I hear a legend, an urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. (Shane: No.) Yeah, if you stop shooting loads it pools up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. (Shane: Oh, really? I didn't know that.) Yeah, but friend of mine, Monty, claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves, jerk you off. And tickle- work your ass with their finger. (Shane: Oh, God.) That's what he claims- It's just something they gotta do. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :I-, Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but...(Amy: I would say so.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. (Amy: That's why they-) if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. (Doug: Yeah.) I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's why doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's- man, you can't- I don't know if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> == John Ashcroft ==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make- Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcroft nice t shirt. You got there fellow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashcroft John Ashcroft].<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :Doug drew a really cool t-shirt. He's an artist, a fartist, I like to call him- but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, no I'm joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one eye? (Shane: I don't know).<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does, that he does have one eye.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :But I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good artist just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t-shirt that we're going to be selling on ThreeRingRadio.com and EvilNow.com and dysgenics.com and WhoreOfHorror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :Right. And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful A. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :''(singing)'' Let the eagles soar-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :Ah, you were listening to it all day.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :''(singing)''Like they... I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs, I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore Michael Moore]. (Doug: Oh right, right.) He's related to the guy in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_Church_of_the_Final_Judgment The Process].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Grimston Robert de Grimston Moor].<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :Right, hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the Ps. Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second, I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it. Ass-croft. ''Ass''-croft. The porno. (Amy: Isn't that your porno?) That's the porno I'm making. Ass-croft.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :I just got to add I think Ashcroft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen to all of us. I don't know if what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election. We're fucked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :Now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with that guy. (Amy: Well of course it's permanent.) Ass-croft is an ass-fucker. Right. I don't have- I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Right, he appointed him. He appointed all the losers. As Ashcroft lost elections, Senator in Michigan, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Abraham Spence Abraham] lost fuckin' election gets appointed head of the Department of Energy...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :Here, it's playing right now. I can't turn it down, oh no. I'm going to stop this. See that was Ass-croft. ''(laughing)'' Sorry, go ahead Doug, I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine. Ass-croft was singing. Though the world stands still an Ass-croft sings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :Ass-croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing as the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :Who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :Fucking hanging with Doug is like, hanging with the goddamn teacher. Yaknow, my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So he could feel smarter than his friends. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :On the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, nice neighborhood, Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ass-croft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit 9/11?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> == What is the show's name? ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Want to hear it right now? (Doug: Go ahead). We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs of, Fate? (Doug: Filth!) Filth.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :The Alphabet Show.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :The Alphabet Show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while. Amy's calling it The Alphabet Show. Doug has the name the ABCs of Filth. (Amy: Fuckery.) Fuckery. and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word, Fuckery isn't it? (Amy: Well, you better-)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :I dunno.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :Bitch motherfucker, bitch, Fuckery is my word, motherfucker. '''My''' word, motherfucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :I've been using dumb fuckery, butt fuckery, to describe tomfoolery and you know, grab-ass, what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tit. When '''I''' was sucking your mama's tit. Before you were around I've been using fuckery, motherfucker. Alright. (Amy: This is all fuckery.) Yeah, that's my name of the show - Pure Fuckery. Letter fuckery, something. Okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you ''ash''-holes. ''[pause]'' Is it playing, Doug? Doug, hello? (Doug: I don't know.) <br /> <br /> ''[music suddenly blares full volume, John Ashcroft singing the single word, &quot;Eagle&quot;]''<br /> <br /> All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by show Z, we're gonna have this shit taken care of.<br /> <br /> == song break ==<br /> ''song: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwVr0ljLkfA John Ashcroft - Let the Eagle Soar]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :You've got to love the fucking, John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:52<br /> :''(indistinctly)'' God loves him.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :Yeah, that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy. (Amy: Oh yeah.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :You say he sung that at a press conference?<br /> <br /> == Addiction ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :Yeah. You know the better A, looking at my list of A's, is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. (Shane: Not at all?) Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pussy. (Doug: Alright. ''(chortles)'')<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of pussy and he's very obsessed. There's nothing wrong with that, it's good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, it can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking empire by now. (Shane: Right?) If I didn't have the- (Shane: Right. I mean, he has-) -it's too much fucking time. (Amy: An empire? ''(laughs)'') I would!<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 9/11 show last year, on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first. (Doug: That's right.) Yeah, you cunts listening, we're history bitch. You're talking to Bren ''(sic)'' fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Ross Betsy Ross] over here. We're history.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolley_Madison Dolley Madison].<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolley Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You were driving at something with that? (Shane: I was?) Yeah. (Shane: What?) Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have, as you can see from my rotund build, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any, motherfucker, and I'm going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it, or is he's involved in the pipe trade - glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like $5-$10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the resin. And I mean, Amy freaks out because I am a real fucking- I've got a real bad addiction to weed. And it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become, I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something and there's this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because ''(yelling)'' &quot;I fucking need these things. cocaine, alcohol, I need these things! I need these things!&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel, dude! ''(yelling louder)'' I fucking need these things! I need these things. ''(more quietly)'' Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. An addiction. (Shane: Well, you need-) Sounds like fun. (Shane: Yeah. Well-) Sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You know what it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a- It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship, feed off each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :And it's more than the ritual of it smoking, Amy talked about the ritual of smoking, just setting up the bong and...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a dull blade. (Shane: No.) Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :You're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for W.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that, we only got five minutes left. How long is your song? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :Two minutes and 44 seconds.<br /> <br /> == Shane's hot take on addiction ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :So we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You- that's the only time it's bad. The addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for a 24 hour show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without, you know. That it's- it's fun when you have you know, those things to comfort you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. (Shane: What do you mean, when you look at me being addicted?) Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call, says &quot;Come on over.&quot; All right. (Amy: The booty call?) Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> == Shane breaks the &quot;guy code&quot;==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :''(laughing)'' Hear, that ladies? That's Doug Ed - Pussy, on call. Or, on call dick. I dunno. What's your website? Again? Dysgenics? (Doug:Yeah.) Ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy code. Oh! Oh, that was your brother. I'm sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. ''(all laugh)'' But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. (Amy: It is.) For me, it's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint, you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an addict until it's gone. When it's gone, you seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say &quot;I could use the fucking weed right now.&quot; (Amy: Sure.) &quot;I can fucking use a joint&quot; or sometimes-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :I've said exactly that, sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man, I really want to-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :Yell, get on your knees. ''(yelling)'' &quot;I need these things!&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :You know what, I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know, everyone I've been surrounded with is an addict. So I've never been addicted to anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :For a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for eye pain. But when the pain went away I stopped smoking it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :It was a good medicine for you. (Doug: Yeah.) Well, addictions get bad because you really need so much. I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke it. If I get an eighth, I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm a grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore. And I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week. You know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :Oh God, she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now, she's gonna call-, These are-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :Oh, we didn't cover abuse! The other A word.<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. (Amy: Ah well, it was a good try.) Well, what's the name of the song (Amy: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsA3d4oNQoE Public Assistance.] ''[ed: by Agnostic Front]'') We'll play that for P. (Amy: Pee?) ''(laughter)'' We'll play it for P so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> == Amy and Doug victim-blaming ==<br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :''(laughing)'' Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot one to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's- goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes your dick gets hard when you're beating on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit. It shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D, domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink, my dick. My dork (Amy: The problem with-) Maybe I could talk about that for my hog.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> : The problem with abuse though is they'll treat the victims- (Shane: You got 20 seconds.) they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are battered.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :''(interrupting)'' Goodbye everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy. (Amy: See you.) Thank you. (Amy: Sorry.) Dysgenics.com, WhoreOfHorror.com and EvilNow.com MikeHuntIsOnFire.com and ThreeRingRadio.com . Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week, B. ''(timer beeps)'' That was great. (Doug: Yeah. It was good.) Yeah it will, I think it's gonna go great.<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> 00:02 '''Cookie Monster canned audio '''<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> 01:24 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on Mike Hunt on Fire or Evil Now.com Mike Hunt on Fire.com, uh, Club Hate.com, Three Ring Radio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. The Whore Of Horror.com. (Amy Bugbee: That's me.) And our... acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug Miseecko- no, he's a good- I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> 02:04 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> 02:05 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> Mesi- Misseek? Oh- You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So, that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner. (Laughs)<br /> <br /> 02:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> 02:19 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> 02:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> 02:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner! It's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does Dysgenics.com. He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds worth of reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> 02:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You know, I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> 02:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss &quot;the A show&quot;, go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> 03:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :A is for &quot;addiction&quot;. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> 03:05 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> 03:06 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Cuz, I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> 03:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family, &quot;You know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies.&quot; They're good though. That's a tested- that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my... Well, I'm asking for it. But you know—<br /> <br /> 03:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :But they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> <br /> 03:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 03:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know about that, partner.<br /> <br /> 04:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> 04:01 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking- I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> 04:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> 04:08 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> 04:10 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 04:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though— (Doug Misicko: All right.) —before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> 04:22 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. (Shane Bugbee: Come on.) I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> 04:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> 04:38 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> 04:40 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> 04:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> ==Laci Peterson Cookies==<br /> 04:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> 04:53 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Lavender Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> 04:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> 04:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> 05:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> 05:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> 05:02 '''Amy Bugbeee '''<br /> :It's her ''favorite'' cookie. <br /> <br /> 05:03 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Laci- Okay, here's the deal with the Laci Peterson ''lavender'' cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation-<br /> <br /> 05:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered- (Shane Bugbee: Right.) -and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> 05:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> 05:36 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> 05:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Anencephalic.&quot;<br /> <br /> 05:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :(Laughs) But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death, they would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- (Doug Misicko: Oh.) -with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her— D- uh, er, killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent ah— Connor! That's the kid's name. Ah, &quot;C&quot;. Yeah, Doug, you mixed me, you mixed me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. (Doug Misicko: How'd I do that?) You explained who Laci Peterson was.<br /> <br /> 06:25 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> ==Cannibalism==<br /> 06:26 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 06:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you- I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. You have a healthy lifestyle. So ''that'' kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> 06:52 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> 06:54 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> 06:55 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though, at least.<br /> <br /> 07:01 '''Shane Bugbee''':<br /> Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000, man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> 07:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> 07:16 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> 07:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Long pork&quot;? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> 07:22 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> 07:22 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> 07:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> 07:34 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 07:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect ''and'' hate. <br /> <br /> 07:42 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> 07:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> 07:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at, I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people ''no problem'' and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> 08:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be Y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought &quot;Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism.&quot; You know?<br /> <br /> 08:19 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to... I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think- I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I... I don't know.<br /> <br /> 08:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad#Effect_on_the_city Stalingrad]'' (sic). During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, there's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> 08:54 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 08:54 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti-cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> ==Chicago Cop Stories about Cannibalism in the Projects==<br /> 09:00 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say &quot;Oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.&quot; And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'— [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%E2%80%93Green_Homes Cabrini-Green]. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of ''Candyman'', Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in &quot;C&quot; the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini-Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> 09:34 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> 09:37 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Oooooh, I'm getting spooked by C... Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects, and they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub, and they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies, and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> 10:01 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the— (Amy Bugbee: ''Now''.) —the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The— (Amy Bugbee: The Historical Society?) —Historical Society. And you can- this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude, and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the ''real''... keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not- I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true, to the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just- that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their... own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> 10:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Waste not, want not.&quot; <br /> <br /> 10:53 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> ==Cannibalism, Chikatilo, Donner Party==<br /> 10:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo Chikatilo]. Cannibal. C.<br /> <br /> 10:56 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> 10:57 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 11:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing, and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news, and I was spray painting all over the town. &quot;Chikatilo&quot;, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> 11:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> 11:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Communism&quot;! C. &quot;Chikatilo&quot;. C. &quot;Cannibalism&quot;. We are &quot;C motherfuckers&quot;. CCCP.<br /> <br /> 11:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Pumping out all the Cs.<br /> <br /> 11:23 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner Park before but that's D. But they were cannibals!<br /> <br /> 11:28 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Cannibals! They- cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner Park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> 11:34 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner Party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane, and he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know. (Laughs.)<br /> <br /> 12:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> 12:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> 12:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> 12:22 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> 12:27 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> 12:29 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Cemetery&quot;. C.<br /> <br /> 12:31 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> 12:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> ==Cunt==<br /> 12:35 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> My favorite &quot;C&quot; is &quot;cunt&quot; and I just love saying &quot;cunt&quot;. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think ''Sex and the City'' and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six— Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a &quot;cunt-tree&quot; in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever- next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets- they had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. (Amy Bugbee: Oh that's right.) And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the c-word was the way I said &quot;Oh the Cs though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.&quot;<br /> <br /> 13:28 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> 13:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> 13:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You know, a book was put out called ''Cunt''. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> 13:41 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. (Doug Misicko: All right, I mean, right.) I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> 13:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's great. <br /> <br /> 13:49 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :When my dad was also-<br /> <br /> 13:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna- every time a C-word is gonna come up, any word. &quot;You know, there was a book called ''Demented Eggs''. You know book-&quot; You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus. (Shane Bugbee :Oh!) They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :They don’t though! Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about- (Shane Bugbee: No, they don’t!) :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :We’re talking &quot;Coloreds&quot; at the letter C. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really Black neighbor with a Black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. &quot;Heyyy,&quot; and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 ounces to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-<br /> <br /> 14:43 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :He was the white chap. C.<br /> <br /> 14:44 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me &quot;Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. But us Black- us ''niggas'',&quot; as he said-- &quot;niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy.&quot; And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and &quot;We don't eat pussy, motherfucker.&quot; That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway-<br /> <br /> ==Crispy Critters==<br /> 15:13 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :When my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them &quot;crispy critters&quot;. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> 15:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her ''cornflakes''— &quot;C&quot; — and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about &quot;crispy critters&quot; — &quot;C&quot; again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore... of horror.<br /> <br /> 15:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus? (Shane Bugbee: Me?) Yeah.<br /> <br /> 15:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I couldn't- I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> 15:56 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :You couldn't ''chow'' on that. <br /> <br /> 15:57 '''Shane Bugbee ''''<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it, fondly-<br /> <br /> 16:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> 16:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I was- I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> 16:04 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> 16:05 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> ==Cockroaches==<br /> 16:08 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just a little afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole Black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time— ''cockroaches''. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement-basement. It was like a half built basement? And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light— in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the ''whole wall'' was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the coloreds- cockroaches — all 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day... Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said &quot;colored&quot; the wrong way. Did I say &quot;nigger&quot; and not &quot;nigga&quot;? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye. (Amy Bugbee: I burped. Excuse me.) Oh burped. B. That was ''last'' show Amy — but the wall moving — and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr— and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> 17:45 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> 17:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 17:48 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 17:49 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> 17:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them ''bolted''.<br /> <br /> 18:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> 18:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but-<br /> <br /> 18:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat 'em too.<br /> <br /> 18:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for— That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires, and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm-<br /> <br /> 18:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd just ''snack''. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> 18:33 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I'd probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> 18:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> 18:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> 18:47 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> 18:49 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. (Doug Misicko: Mmm.) Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> 19:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> 19:06 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> 19:07 '''Doug Bugbee '''<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the &quot;C&quot;.<br /> <br /> 19:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. &quot;C&quot;, bitch. <br /> <br /> 19:20 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> 19:21 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> 19:28 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. C. Double &quot;C&quot;. And the song is &quot;Come Down Here&quot;. Another &quot;C&quot;. <br /> <br /> 19:36 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> 19:36 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I liked The ''Cocks'' better<br /> <br /> 19:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolting_Cocks RevCo's] great. <br /> <br /> 19:39 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :That starts with &quot;R&quot;.<br /> <br /> 19:40 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> 19:40 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu-<br /> <br /> 19:43 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> 19:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> 19:48 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We're low on the Rs, okay?<br /> <br /> 19:52 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes, and she took over when we did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, record player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes. Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> 20:10 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Come Down Here&quot;.<br /> <br /> 20:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow, &quot;cunnilingus&quot;. I got- we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> 20:20 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> 20:23 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> ==Chris Connelly song break==<br /> 20:24 '''Canned Audio'''<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Connelly_(musician)#Solo_discography Come Down Here] by Chris Connelly&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :beyond the softward silence shadows midnight mind<br /> :the warmth appeared in seconds like the dark<br /> :a trail of swollen fruit leads to a higher kind<br /> :lips and lovers' limbs begin to part<br /> :search and you shall find<br /> :what you want take what's mine<br /> :breathe in the air<br /> :of the hour we were there<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> :I disappeared between you many times before<br /> :and every single time I never leave<br /> :awake with you and stranded on another shore<br /> :too dreamlike and delirious to believe<br /> :bring in the night<br /> :and the moon and the light<br /> :shake off the day<br /> :you were born and I'll stay<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> :close to the skin<br /> :shut your eyes we begin<br /> :fall like a leaf<br /> :onto me in your sleep<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Laci Peterson Cookie Recipe==<br /> 25:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for &quot;B&quot;. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> 26:24 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :All right. It's the Laci Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's ''bound'' to have it. All right.<br /> <br /> * 5/8th cup butter<br /> * a half cup sugar<br /> * one egg<br /> * a tablespoon of lavender flowers<br /> * one and a half cups all-purpose flour<br /> * And sugar, powdered sugar<br /> * And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. <br /> <br /> :So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they ''gotta'' get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. <br /> :<br /> :Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> 27:39 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> 27:41 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> 27:43 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> 27:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me-<br /> <br /> 27:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :It wasn't enough, at least.<br /> <br /> 27:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial. And you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. &quot;C&quot; for condolence. This is the &quot;Alphabet Show&quot;, the &quot;ABCs of Filth&quot;, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evil Now.com.<br /> <br /> 28:21 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I'm Amy from Whore Of Horror.com, and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> 28:26 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :And this is Doug from Dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> 28:28 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug Mesner... with two Zs.<br /> <br /> 28:32 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> 28:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :(Laughs) Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> 28:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We never even got to ''converts''.<br /> <br /> 28:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? (Amy Bugbee: Somebody.) Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot ''Christians''. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play- I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, ''cunts'', cocksuckers...<br /> <br /> ==Cocaine==<br /> 29:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> 29:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh! I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> 29:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story, too.<br /> <br /> 29:18 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> 29:28 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Oh, I guess it is.<br /> <br /> 29:29 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like.<br /> <br /> 29:32 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. (Doug Misicko: I did have a friend.) I had a friend that gave me that today. Said, &quot;Hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs.&quot; Amy. I think in a past life was a coke whore. Because she's like, &quot;I'll take that motherfucker.&quot;<br /> <br /> 29:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was never a ''coke'' whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> 29:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for ''dickhead'' and ''dumb''. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now. We're just gonna start banging them out you know so we're gonna Amy... a couple of seconds, and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [recording: ABCs of the Bible]<br /> <br /> :I’m gonna hide God’s Word<br /> :In my heart, it’s a lamp unto my feet<br /> :I’m gonna read God’s Word<br /> :Every day it’s my food, my bread and meat<br /> :I’m - (skips) <br /> :-truth of the Bible<br /> :I’m gonna open my eyes I’m gonna memorize<br /> : <br /> :A!<br /> :All have sinned and come short of the glory of God<br /> :Romans 3:23<br /> :<br /> :B!<br /> :Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved<br /> :Acts 16:31<br /> <br /> 00:34 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :(Interrupting, apparently not realizing mics are on) You gotta love this, Doug. Doug? I'm calling you. The ABCs of the Bible. (Doug Misicko: OK.) Yeah, this is the good stuff. <br /> <br /> (Unintelligible talk over remainder of song continues.)<br /> <br /> 02:01 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Okay, we're gonna stop that song, it sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy, (Amy: Hello) and Doug. (Doug Misicko: Right.) We're working on- it seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter. This week, or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows will play them. But this show is &quot;D&quot;. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows A, B and C- you missed Anal. Some good anal stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby stories, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. Who started last time? C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies, A was anal... (Amy Bugbee: I think Doug has to start D). Oh, you're right. I forgot we have &quot;Doug&quot; and the D. Dick-headed Doug is his technical nickname 'round here.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :It's so it's my letter. (Shane: Yeah.) God damn right. (Shane Bugbee: Well, I got G.) Right. Right, right. (Shane Bugbee: Damn it.) Damn right. So I got another highfalutin' word like I had for A (Shane Bugbee: You're such a dick.) But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? (Doug: I don't know! I know these words.) Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call, &quot;Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago?&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :And believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I- I have this in my head. Anyway.<br /> <br /> 03:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you mean &quot;believe&quot;...? What the fuck-how the fuck are you-<br /> <br /> 03:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Who do you think we are?<br /> <br /> 03:51 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> : *laughs* Well I didn't ''consult'' a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You know what for later? We're going to have for I- We're going to ''insert'' a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko tries to tell stolen skull story, misunderstands defenestration==<br /> 04:03 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Anyways, [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defenestration defenestration] is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt (Shane Bugbee: What is defenes- what the fuck?) Defenestration is when you jump out of a window. (Shane Bugbee: Why can't you just say jump out of the window? Or crazy motherfucker?) Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say- if you say it in one word. &quot;He died of defenestration.&quot;<br /> <br /> 04:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> : Where did you find out about this word?<br /> <br /> 04:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :They never say how people died in obituaries.<br /> <br /> 04:34 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But if you ''were'' gonna write an obituary- (Shane Bugbee: No, no.) Perhaps it'd be a eulogy?<br /> <br /> 04:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :''You''! If ''you'' were gonna write an obituary. Where did you find out about this word though? Really, Doug.<br /> <br /> 04:43 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. (<br /> <br /> 04:44 '''Shane Bugbee''' <br /> :(shouting) You know! You know.<br /> <br /> 04:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know, Doug reads dick-, the dictionary while he's sitting around-<br /> <br /> 04:48 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I know Doug knows dick (Doug Misicko: It sounds smart.) but uh-<br /> <br /> 04:52 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Anyways, he steals a skull out of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs_of_Paris a crypt in France], and he crotches it to get out. And it was one of those- (Shane Bugbee: Who is this now? This is a story about your friend-) Yeah, the drunken [Murphy]- <br /> <br /> 05:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Who jumped out of a window? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, but-) -and his defenestration?<br /> <br /> 05:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> Yeah, yeah. But he had this skull, and then at night- (Shane Bugbee: Where is this at?) This is in France, he went to France, and he figured I'd like this skull, but it's on a crypt tour, so he has to crotch it. A fucking skull. You know? As you know- they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> 05:22 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And this is a drunk. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) That's the drunk, we drew on his- D, for drunk. We ''drew'' on his face with markers when he passed out (Doug Misicko: Yeah, he passed out, right-) and he's a total ''dick''. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the defenes- (Doug Misicko: Defenestration.) Ptthptpththpth. Yeah.<br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah. Anyways, he got ''roaring'' drunk that night in France. (Shane Bugbee: What a dick.) And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two-story window.<br /> <br /> 05:51 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And where's he from? (Doug Misicko: Detroit.) Wow, he's got the four Ds going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with dick, drunk, defeneration ''(sic)'', Detroit.<br /> <br /> 06:02 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Alright, and right. I, too, am from Detroit. So it stands to reason. <br /> <br /> 06:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko hates Detroit==<br /> 06:06 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug from Detroit. <br /> <br /> 06:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 06:09 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :And it's every bit as foul as they say it is. (Shane Bugbee: Detroit?) Oh, fuck yeah. It was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. Full swing. (Shane Bugbee: Oh, another D!) Yeah they burn they burn that city down, every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons won, but, you were just telling me — I didn't even hear the news — nine people got shot...<br /> <br /> 06:34 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> 06:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah! It was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burn down-<br /> <br /> 06:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Maybe eight years ago, huh? (Doug Misicko: It was a you know-) When me and Amy was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit and there was shit that was ''on fire''. And it wasn't no Devil's Night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something and fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> 06:56 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Or shit was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once, and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be ''nothing'' left to burn in this fucking place? (Shane Bugbee: And it's not just Devil's Night.) Oh, no. It is like arson capital? It's where it's at. I mean- (Shane Bugbee: Fucking jeez.) But sometimes, I've heard different stories. I've heard sometimes it's people collecting, I don't know, like the landlord protect- you know, collecting property value somehow by burning his place down. or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shit on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> 07:38 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Hey, I saw the Eminem ''8 Mile'' movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> 07:41 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> 07:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> 07:44 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> 07:51 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the coloreds?<br /> <br /> 07:54 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, the place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Fuck it. We should carpet-bomb it and start again.<br /> <br /> ==Amy Bugbee on Death==<br /> 08:00 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What's your D word, Amy? Or D- you got a neat thing to throw out there D-<br /> <br /> 08:05 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Death, drugs, doom and Dennis doll(?)<br /> <br /> 08:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over &quot;drugs&quot; with &quot;addiction&quot;. So why don't you do &quot;death&quot;? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website Whore Of Horror.com. There's some really fucked up st- Amy's tales of woe on there, are some really fucked up stories, and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, are the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know- I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shit's- that she's in the real. Amy lives in the real man, (Amy Bugbee: &quot;In the now,&quot; as Charlie says.) I say in &quot;the real.&quot; All right, motherfucker, don't correct ''me''. Corrections on, C, that's the deal, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay? Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was- slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped on 'till their brains popped out of the top-<br /> <br /> 09:28 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex-boyfriend?<br /> <br /> 09:31 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how big her friends are what they do. They better kill me or I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright.<br /> <br /> 09:49 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book: &quot;Dead People I Used To Know&quot;-<br /> <br /> 09:55 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Great story. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea for a book! (Amy Bugbee: because, I know somebody-) It's gonna get ''stolen'' now.<br /> <br /> 10:02 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Do you think people know enough dead people to fill a book?<br /> <br /> 10:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :They'll lie. It's some cunt like Jim Goad(?)'ll do his still- (mocking voice) &quot;Dead People I Used to Know&quot;, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that C for cunt.<br /> <br /> 10:15 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh, I gotta good one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because I did a search-<br /> <br /> 10:20 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Ooh book story, I'm sorry to interrupt- &quot;Dead People I Used To Know&quot;, that's a book Amy's going to work on. (Amy Bugbee: I'm working on it.) Yeah, right. She's working. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> 10:34 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple hundred. I probably know quite a few dead people.<br /> <br /> 10:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :A couple hundred is exaggeration. (Amy Bugbee: Okay, a hundred.) I mean, Amy does know- how many how many of your girlfriends have ended up in the lake over here? (Amy Bugbee: A couple.) two or three right (Amy Bugbee: Couple yeah, in Wolf Lake.) No shit man, we'll read a paper or story. There'll be something on the news. There was a girl found up in the lake, Amy will go, &quot;I bet you that's one of my friends&quot;. And sure as shit, it is. This is the killing fields out here. That's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calumet_City,_Illinois Cal City], the Calumet Region. (Amy Bugbee: Right. Just south of Chicago.) So talk to me, Amy. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> ==Murder of Ernest Graves by Eddie Niksich==<br /> 11:07 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, we recently, Shane had a friend over from Serial Killer Central. And we were talking about- (Shane Bugbee: [http://wagthegonzo.blogspot.com/2010/04/interview-with-joe-hiles-webmaster-of.html SK Central.com].) -SK Central.com. (Shane Bugbee: Joe [Hiles]!) And we were talking about serial killers in this area, and there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid, I knew this family, the Niksich family. In fact, I dated the youngest Niksich in junior high. But the ''oldest'' one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew Pee Wee, who was like this hat guy who never went to school ''ever'' in his entire life — I think he dropped out in second grade — and he owed Eddie Niksich and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Niksich, his friend, and his friend's dad, [https://law.justia.com/cases/indiana/supreme-court/1992/45s00-9012-dp-812-4.html kill Pee Wee] and the guy ''he's'' with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, &quot;Hey, how you doing?&quot; They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend (Shane Bugbee: Who is this now? The dead friend is Pee Wee?) Pee Wee Graves. Fitting name, huh?<br /> <br /> 12:29 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> 12:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest Graves, is his real name. (Shane Bugbee: Hm, that's cool.) I always knew him as &quot;Pee Wee&quot;, and when they got caught, of course — you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk — of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight- eight girls and dumped him in Powderhorn Lake. So he turned out to be a serial killer. (Shane: Fu-ucked up. ''Death''.)<br /> <br /> 12:59 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed, not the serial killer<br /> <br /> 13:03 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I knew two of them. I knew Eddie Niksich one of the killers. And I knew &quot;Pee Wee&quot; the kill-ee, as it were.<br /> <br /> 13:11 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> 13:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Man, that's funny- (exhale) You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for ''that'' one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> 13:25 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I know, you put a Dirty Sanchez on both of us. (All laugh)<br /> <br /> 13:29 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths. I saw- I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was, you know. Oh! (Doug Misicko:Really?) As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home, so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I... poke at the- You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face- I'd like poke the cheek, and I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it cracked it all cracked apart. And I ran- I run up the stairs, &quot;Wuuuuh!&quot;<br /> <br /> 14:14 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Cracked how, like the makeup coming off?<br /> <br /> 14:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Right, right. Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked. I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like, &quot;Oh my god!&quot;, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years, seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and- I'll talk more about the funeral home in F, in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the ''makeup''. It was so much makeup caked on there. That that cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My uncle's like, &quot;What happened Who touched-&quot; you know, &quot;Eho did that?&quot; And you know, I said I ran into him with the flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and when it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover ''[https://chicagoreader.com/news-politics/shocks-to-the-system/ The Reader]'' and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever, they call my parents to say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's- I can't top Amy's death stories.<br /> <br /> ==Death of Dana Plato==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :With you. There's death D. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Plato Dana Plato].<br /> <br /> 15:19 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, Dana P- why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But-<br /> <br /> 15:24 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 15:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that [https://www.discogs.com/release/10817247-Dana-Platos-Last-Breath-Dana-Platos-Last-Breath book and CD I did], and I left it behind. That's why I did that book, and CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably- took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people- Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking tens of thousands of dollars from ''Extra'' and the ''National Enquirer'' and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job, so when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I- What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question? It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to befriend someone, and then- and then- I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential, great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had- she started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her, and she really wanted to live that life, and she's full of that and had potential to do something cool, and do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life, so I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? (Doug Misicko: No.) Do you want to know about that. I mean-<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never- I didn't really know ''her'' I didn't you know, I don't know what she- I've never seen anything she was in or...before my time, I guess.<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, yes I'm a little older than you, I grew up watching Dana Plato on TV, and she was about- probably a little older than older than me. But she was (Amy Bugbee: On &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;) -on &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;. And I'd seen that it was like a (Amy Bugbee: D.) -pre pre-pubescent type of, D, yeah, &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;, right. It was a pre-pubescent type of love affair- TV love affair. I think I ''whacked off'' to her one of the first ''whack offs'' I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. (laughs) And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring her up to Chicago to get her top off on the Internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book, a coffee table book of memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it- but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as well.<br /> <br /> ==Dirty Sanchez==<br /> 18:20 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato, that I know of, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in ''her'' butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger in ''your own ass'' and then smear it across her upper lip? Or does it matter?<br /> <br /> 18:45 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you asking me?<br /> <br /> 18:46 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah I'm asking you, I thought you were the Dirty Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> 18:49 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that- I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a ''prostate'' rub once in a while has nothing to do with humiliation and degradation- degradation or you know... gross. Can you imagine-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Oh I thought it was a mixed drink. &quot;Dirty Sanchez.&quot;<br /> <br /> 19:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I would imagine a Dirty Sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> 19:15 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it...?<br /> <br /> 19:22 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh on A or something like that? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, further back.) yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) You know &quot;serve and protect&quot;, man, you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rubbing under your nose.<br /> <br /> 19:39 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> 19:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah... What song we playing, Amy? You gave me a song here. What is it?<br /> <br /> 19:46 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Warzau Die Warzau].<br /> <br /> 19:48 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any Venom in the mix? (Amy Bugbee: for V!) All right, well- Amy a good DJ, I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say- Die Warzau all you know-<br /> <br /> 20:00 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another &quot;D&quot; song for E because I got nothing for E (Shane Bugbee: Eazy-E!) Oh there we go!<br /> <br /> <br /> 20:05 '''Shane Bugbee  ''' <br /> :Easy-motherfucking-E! E that's what I got when I look flip on page E it says Ed the Creep and E- Easy-motherfucking-E and of course my favorite subject Eagle. Here, Die Warzau a good song I think right? Alright, enjoy the song. Kiddo.<br /> <br /> ==Die Warzau song break==<br /> 20:30<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_(Die_Warzau_album) &quot;Liberated&quot;] by Die Warzau&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :Take me to the high spaces<br /> :White horses and blue gods<br /> :Let them be like children again<br /> :Blisters on my hands<br /> :Back is broken<br /> :Why can't I let go let it go<br /> :<br /> :Liberated - one mind one body soul<br /> :Liberated - turn the universal merry go round<br /> :I'm tired and I can't see<br /> :Why the great blue current won't carry me carry me away<br /> :When I'm tired and I can't sleep<br /> :And the fear is all I know<br /> :Open up your arms for me<br /> :Come to take me home<br /> :<br /> :Liberated - one mind one body soul<br /> :Liberated - turn the universal merry-go-round<br /> :I'm tired and I can't see<br /> :Why the great blue current won't carry me carry me away<br /> :<br /> :Take me from this body<br /> :I hate this flesh I'm in<br /> :Come and recreate me again<br /> :Take my breath and make the wind<br /> :My bones are dirt again<br /> :I am everything<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Shane Bugbee's Door Story==<br /> 25:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yo! Song ended pretty... abruptly. Let's go, we're- that was Chris Connolly, was it? Or no. (Doug Misicko and Amy Bugbee, together: Die Warzau). They sound the fucking same to me... ''gay'' and Doug ''loves them''. And that the letter is D, and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing, where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter.<br /> <br /> 26:09'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :You know what I wanted to ask you too? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;D&quot;.) I don't know if you'll be able to cover it in time. The fucking door you had a story, somebody's trying to burst- bust down your door.<br /> <br /> 26:20 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :We'll- use that for another one, break-in, or robbery or something like that break- ah fuck. (Doug Misicko: Ehhh.) I was gonna say &quot;dad&quot;, but I can't- I don't know, D, door? I'll go with door. Fuck it. Door. Amy? You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door? Remember? Doug wanted to talk about it? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home of the fucking asshole, cunt, dirtiest pot,dirty — D — ''dickhead'' politicians. They don't do anything here- anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once, and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. I come home, talk to Amy about it. And she says, &quot;Oh yeah, the guy was creepy.&quot; You know he's over here, over there. I shut the door, lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuckin' and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the door and go, &quot;The fuck do you need?&quot; And he goes &quot;blah blah blah,&quot; you know like he was &quot;I-I- was looking for some kids&quot;. He walks away while I call the fucking cops. Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond, dickhead cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King#1991_police_assault_in_Los_Angeles Rodney-fucking-King]. It was- it was great to see because the asshole tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass, and the guy fought back a lot. So there's &quot;the door story&quot;. How do you like that door? There in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now.<br /> <br /> 28:05 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, good for the winter. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> 28:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, I have a ''hole'' in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat here, I wonder why I got a walking case of pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom, and then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. (Doug Misicko: So you get this breeze from the doors.) Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D- boring. I wanted to say &quot;dad&quot;, or my brother &quot;Derek&quot; or one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up, my real like my father was my father but my ''dad'' was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Dahl Steve Dahl]. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a Dahl.com - D A H L - you'll see. He's the guy who did- oh! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night Disco Demolition]. He's the guy who ''did'' that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager, 10 years old or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco records. &quot;Disco sucks! Disco sucks!&quot; So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco, and he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there- everyone's smoking weed and- he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man(?) known as a DJ, but he's nationally known and all that. &quot;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wango_Tango_(song) Wango Tango]&quot; is playing, right, and Ted Nugent. Big speakersm and they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil Now.com. Amy?<br /> <br /> 29:33 '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy, Whore Of Horror.com<br /> <br /> 29:33 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Doug, Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked, we'll be playing some Eazy-E<br /> <br /> 29:40 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :No more industrial music till &quot;P&quot;.<br /> <br /> 29:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving- you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life, Amy. Whore Of Horror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some- ''[audio cuts out]''<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==Eazy-E Song Break==<br /> 17:36 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Muthaphuckkin_G%27s Real Muthaphuckkin G's] by Eazy-E&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> 00:00 '''[singer]'''<br /> :A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> 01:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah ABCs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth! Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug Misicko:: E!) Oh, I guess (Amy Bugbee: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter ''E''. And now we're on F. And this is a show- what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind - F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with &quot;fat&quot;. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E, Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about. Was good conversation. Amy, F. What do you have for F, I have I have my man &quot;Farrakhan&quot;. &quot;Fat&quot;, of course, that's, that's my middle name. &quot;Fucked up&quot; - I like to get, and &quot;failure&quot;. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. &quot;Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising.&quot; I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> 03:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> 03:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> 03:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> 03:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> 03:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> 03:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> 03:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> Would that be a &quot;Feud&quot;?<br /> <br /> 03:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like, &quot;Leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> 03:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit (Shane Bugbee: There's no reason.) - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> 04:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> ==Felching==<br /> 04:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> 04:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> 04:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is.<br /> <br /> 04:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug Misicko: All right). Isn't that it?<br /> <br /> 04:33 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> 04:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, and you would cum inside the ass, and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That well- I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...?<br /> <br /> 04:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> 05:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turn-on to people.<br /> <br /> 05:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing ''Clerks'' where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, &quot;What's a snowball?&quot; It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, &quot;oh, dude you've done that?&quot; You know, it's it was in ''Clerks''. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug Misicko: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on snowballing==<br /> 05:31 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth.<br /> <br /> 05:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> 05:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> 05:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first, you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> 05:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night, ''Bully'', and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug Misicko: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says &quot;Son, I have an electronics store for you,&quot; and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> 06:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> 06:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> 06:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> 06:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> 06:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> 06:24 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> 06:28 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right. That would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> 06:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ah ha! You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> 06:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra, I guess.<br /> <br /> 06:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy Bugbee: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> 06:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> 06:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter-fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter-fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whore Of Horror.com.<br /> <br /> 07:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> 07:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug Misicko: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug Misicko: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done, his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whore Of Horror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here. And I'm Shane, Evil Now.com Among other things, Michael, Mike Hunts On Fire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> 07:54 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Not much good. (Shane Bugbee: Not much good?) I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat, food, force, fiends, fuck, factories, fist fire, and fill.<br /> <br /> 08:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> 08:12 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced, either/or.<br /> <br /> 08:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> 08:19 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire stories==<br /> 08:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy Bugbee: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> 08:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother- this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policemen had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her. And I mean it's a closet, you know. You would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet, but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> 10:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> 10:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug Misicko: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> 11:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane Bugbee: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> 12:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> 12:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Ya know.<br /> <br /> 12:23 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> 12:25 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire- fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie ''Backdraft'' once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> 12:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> 12:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like, &quot;God, what the fuck is this?&quot; You know, and Amy's like, &quot;Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends.&quot; And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke. Crazy. Cra-zy man, crazy. <br /> <br /> ==Arsonists==<br /> 13:29 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> 13:32 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> 13:34 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist. They think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says, &quot;Well, he's probably a fireman. You know...&quot;<br /> <br /> 13:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> 14:03 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old- old news.<br /> <br /> 14:16 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane Bugbee: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> 14:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about &quot;food&quot; and &quot;fat&quot; these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have — not an addiction but as a definitely comfort — I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and ''good'' food. I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> 15:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> 15:35 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We actually have two. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_of_the_Nephilim Fields of the Nephilim] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_No_More Faith No More]?<br /> <br /> 15:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> 15:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim, I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug Misicko: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing...?<br /> <br /> 16:02 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right...[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton Mike Patton]?<br /> <br /> 16:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down, and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> 16:09 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :So if it was Mike Patton, Faith No More would've been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> 16:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim. Not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> 17:05 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCoy Carl McCoy].<br /> <br /> 17:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> 17:08 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Number eight, &quot;For Her Light&quot;. F.<br /> <br /> 17:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh look at you. &quot;For Her Light.&quot; (Song begings to play.) :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> ==Fields of the Nephilim Song Break==<br /> 17:14 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizium For Her Light] by Fields of the Nephilim&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> He said, how lonely you are<br /> Waiting at the Sunday Park<br /> I'll elude you I will lose you<br /> Existing we're no soul apart<br /> You stand, stand on a platform<br /> Your effigy dissolves in my hands<br /> When I feel like someone to lie on<br /> And I feel like someone to rely on<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> Illusions born of the air<br /> Something seems precious there<br /> I'll elude you I will lose you<br /> As rehearsal of my despair<br /> When I feel like someone to lie on<br /> And I feel like someone to die on<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> |}<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. <br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:25<br /> :A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. Happy, happy all are we. Now we learn ABCs. Now we learn our ABCs...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :You dumb fucking cunt. Hey, Doug.<br /> <br /> 01:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Yeah?<br /> <br /> 01:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> We're ''on'' now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. <br /> <br /> 01:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, you could sip your soda pop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:24<br /> Why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones... And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only- I always say is- what we call this yester- &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot; or &quot;Filth&quot; and &quot;The Alphabet Show&quot;? And it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour, we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind. And we say the letter &quot;G&quot;, we start talking about and trying to tell stories and ''trying'' to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to. So we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. ''Ayy-mee''.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Late to the studio. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> G to G for- I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:23<br /> For Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 02:25<br /> The shittiest shithole.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. *laughs* Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good party.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit ''thinks'' they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills, closed down steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talking, Amy. Tell us about Gary. Gary's your &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my &quot;G&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for G? Last night- Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to- find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the Gs or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G-spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Go, gas, gag, gaggle. I don't know. Gardening...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the G-spot. So.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :Have I found it? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee''' 03:38<br /> Of course. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> Really? &quot;Of course.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :We wouldn't still be married if you didn't. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :I don't know if I found it or not.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You should be told. You should be told these things. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''  03:50<br /> You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :We've talked about it in detail. I thought.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:54<br /> We did? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed, Amy. Without me. Uh-huh. And what is that with green? G. You smoke the green? Come on, Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh, Gregory Reed. We pray- we- Do we have his phone number?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self-appointed expert in occult crime. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 04:34<br /> Fuckface.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal, murdering thousands each year. (Second one there.) And we call him the other day and we're calling him on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad- (Hey, you might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day.) Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the supposed Satanists, this &quot;satanic cartel&quot;, as he called it, and we callrf his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :You're doing the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. *call goes to answering machine* Noooo. <br /> <br /> '''Greg Reed (Answering machine)'''05:34<br /> Hi, you've reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with ORCC. Please leave me a brief message with your name and number, and I'll get back to you. Thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> See, he calls himself a doctor. He's not a doctor. We found out he's a ''painter''.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :This is message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stockey. Location, my number is 219-931-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello? Alright, keep talking please, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregory Reed and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow-up response was to her follow-up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly is what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reed. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to- What's wrong, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's your note pad. It sounds good flying at your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> : Yeah, it sounds good. Gregory Reed then. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying, &quot;I can tell by your tone where this is going.&quot; And I had no tone, really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole- When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he- he lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or ten books that- that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> Yet he's a doctor. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> Yeah, he starts stuttering, he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :Well, he named off ''two'' after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bunk and another one was just a common occult bookshop staple called &quot;Black Magic&quot; by Cavendish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic &quot;cartel&quot;. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :Well, Gregory Reed is barely a G, so let's get on with the G for &quot;garbage&quot;. Anything else? Come on? It's boring.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Garbage.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> GG Allin. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> GG Allin, now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggests &quot;door&quot; for D and &quot;Gregory Reed&quot; for G. Gregory Reed being so fucking boring I'm falling asleep here... GG Allin, now that's cool. Where's my G- did we ever find my GG Allin CD?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :No, we never did find it. We found the case, but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that. Or bean dip and pretended it's shit. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, I'll go get the beans. <br /> <br /> ==GG Allin and sexual assault attempt==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, well, GG Allin was great. I did the- GG Allin, I got a GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Which one?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> About when you used to write to him and talk to him. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :Yeah, so I used to write to GG Allin and longtime ago I used to do a zine. And GG Allin- we were corresponding before he went to prison. And after he went to prison- you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call, and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the GG Allin Manifesto, I think it's called. The GG Allin Mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine ''Naked Aggression''. Originally, the- his mission statement. And the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about is- &quot;People. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me. They want to hang out with and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking burned, baby burned.&quot; And I always remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show. They had- he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, &quot;Hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out.&quot; And I said, &quot;Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man.&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 10:09<br /> That's goddamn right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 10:11<br /> Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark ''Fagula'' Hayner. And &quot;Fagula&quot; was his real name, too. And he had toured with GG Allin and did a video did some video, GG Allin. And he talked about the time his- it was funny, hetell me, &quot;why I hung out with GG Allin. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me.&quot; And I go, &quot;Well, tell me about it.&quot; He's like, &quot;Dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me, really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off,&quot; and he had his pants off, GG Allin was naked with a hard-on, fuckin' trying to rape Mark Haner. And it was really funny, like, &quot;What happened, Mark?&quot; And he looked- he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes? You know, they don't look you in the eye. Marks like, &quot;Well, I got out of there, of course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room.&quot; To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hole or something. Like, like, I think there was more than- I think his pants may have came down... And I didn't say he actually raped him. Because he did follow through with the rest of the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :What can you do though? I mean, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think- GG wasn't actually a big guy, was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any match for him, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :You don't have to be though. It's those crazy fucking skinny fucks like you got to worry about because they got nothing- They just go crazy. It's called &quot;retard strength.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rape me. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Wouldn't you? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retard strength. I think GG Allin and had retard strength from the get-go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :...I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. &quot;I want this. But he isn't- hasn't showered for days.&quot; That's torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :It's all fun and games till somebody starts throwing shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :Or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :Right. So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Yeah, right. I remember him touring and thinking, &quot;Huh, that might not be the show to attend.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Geeg. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :GG Allin. Or George- or George Michael.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Didn't the Secret Service visit you because of GG Allin?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story. That's why I asked which one. I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay, so I got the- I am, I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a Secret Service, and it was after GG Allin and wrote the &quot;Mission Statement&quot; for ''Naked Aggression''. He had also come up with a single- I think on the other one, but he has a single called &quot;Kill the President&quot;. And it is it was like, &quot;Kill the president fuck the pigs&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :Hey! that's a it's quite a concept. (Shane Bugbee: Right?) Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the Secret Service comes there to question me. And it was wild why- it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black. They had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, a kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped, and they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. I pop his trunk open, and this is before home computers now. I'm talking- this is before the big home-computer explosion. This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now. I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this. Rhere was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :Like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family [burden?] that they had the shit right there. And I was like, you know, it was- it was- it was there they had the tools, they had the tools to take you down right there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :Imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta magnetic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange, and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :That's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like national ID cards like they're used for now. Used- but they're not you know, used to identify- It was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you to to law enforcement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right? Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving, you get pulled over, you don't have any form of ID over a certain age, I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you, check- I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income [unintelligible] that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening? &quot;My Greek Wedding&quot;? I loved it. &quot;My Fat Greek Wedding&quot;? I'm fat, man. I love Greek openings- Are you talking about ass play? &quot;Greek&quot; as in ass play? I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was all those motherfuckers digging in each other's asses, [unintelligible] fucking 'em like fuckin' mad. I think-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :Well, that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends. (Shane Bugbee: What was that?) The definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :&quot;Wide.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :&quot;Gopher holin'.&quot; Ever hear it? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gopher hole&quot;?) Yeah, gopher holin'. And it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know you're gopher holin'. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole, you're gopher holin' on<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :I was just gonna say, is that one of your [https://web.archive.org/web/20210423054732/https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Doug%20Mesner accomplishments in the Urban Dictionary].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :I didn't- In fact, I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life. Putting in &quot;gopher hole&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Someday in a thousand years, all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster's soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :Instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be &quot;Doug&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :&quot;Gastronomic&quot;? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gastronomic&quot;? Speak up.) I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :Hmmm. Baking soda helps. Have you ever used baking soda and warm water?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :&quot;Worm water&quot;? What's that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> ''Warm'' water.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :You mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like a shot. (Crosstalk, Shane Bugbee and Amy Bugbee repeating &quot;warm&quot; and &quot;worm&quot;)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :It's that Gary, Indiana, accent. (Cross talk about smoking something from bag.)<br /> <br /> ==James Earl Ray's Brother==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :But baking soda and warm water will help my gas, like, better than everything, and you know who will agree with me on this? We hit it off famously after we said we [unintelligible] both you guys talking to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray James Earl Ray]'s brother on the phone.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :Nobody noticed you had gas yesterday. Yeah, I didn't know that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James Earl Ray's brother had- had we- we got along famously after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas problems.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :Yeah, that was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man. He was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James Earl Ray's funeral. You know, if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to- like to have done. And I regret not getting it do that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died, I called his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy ''accused'' of shooting Martin Luther King because I really didn't like Martin Luther King. I think he was [asking for it].<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother, and they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :We've been going on for hours about me. I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :And you brought up James Early Ray. I know that's not-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :You know as I look at you, I think &quot;gay&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Really?) Gay. Yes. I don't know why.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :No, James Earl Ray. Do you remember the stories-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :Amy brought up gay when she was looking at you the other night. She said, &quot;I just think gay.&quot; And now that's all I can think when I'm looking at Doug. Why do you why do you think &quot;gay&quot; when looking at Doug's eye?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :Hmm, I don't know. It must be [unintelligible] thing. Yeah. And the butterface discussions.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, it's the butterface discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :Yeah, and it says, &quot;James Earl Ray&quot; on it? You know it was some guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :You know it was. You know, they said it was a mistake (Shane Bugbee: Some fuckin' Klansman, fuckin' fucking with him.) No, no somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something. (Amy Bugbee: Or they smoked too much weed.) (Shane Bugbee: Amy, Amy...) Smoked the good one. The nugget-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :Thanks for bringing the fucking show [down]. (Amy Bugbee: Ohh nooo.) Now it's the Cheech and Chong Show. (Doug Misicko: The green.) So you're more fuckable- and I don't mean in the physical way. I could fuck with you more when you're stoned and I'm not. (Amy Bugbee: Are you playing GG Allin now or what?) Yeah, you want to play a song? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, we're not playing-) Which one? Well, we're playing &quot;Unrest&quot;, but we have a choice from here's some GG Allin this is off the CD ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks,_Faggots,_Drunks_%26_Junkies Freaks, Faggots, Drunks and Junkies]'', &quot;My Revenge&quot; (Amy Bugbee: Masterpiece.) Yeah, we can play &quot;My Revenge&quot;. &quot;Dope Money&quot;. &quot;Be My Fuckin' Whore&quot;. &quot;Suck My Ass It Smells&quot;. &quot;Dog Shit&quot;. &quot;Wild Riding&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :You have to play &quot;Suck My Ass It Smell&quot; in honor of Mark Gainers near-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ==Jeff Foxworthy Southern Alphabet routine==<br /> 00:01 '''Jeff Foxworthy, recording, with audience laughter  '''<br /> :-'Cause you see (C), it's about a friend of mine. He's from Dee-(D) troit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. 'e's (E) crazy. Why? Eff (F) you dare him to do something, he'll do it provided the money's right. Jee- (G)sus Christ, I remember the time we's in this pet store. We bet him a dollar he wouldn't bite the heads off one of them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he bit the head offa haitch (H) one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw up. I said, &quot;Jay (J), you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life.&quot; He said, &quot;That's O-K (K), I'm $3 richer too.&quot; And that was all that was important to him. 'ell (L), I remember one time, we's at this party, and we dared 'im (M) to pee ''in'' (N) the punchbowl. He did it. See, Jay can be a real ass-'oh (O) sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him 'cause he could pee (P) right on cue (Q). Are (R) you believing that shit? Cause if not you can kiss my 'ss (S). I guaran-damn-tee (T) you (U) it's true. ''(applause)'' I remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had Vee- (V) D... for $10. He said hell, if you'll ''double ya' '' (W) money... I'll make love to her brother. He would've done it too- ex-(X) cept we didn't have $20 between the six of us. Now why (Y) Jay did this shit, I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got ''zee- (Z) ro''. (Unknown speaker: This has been-) ''[audio cuts abruptly]''<br /> <br /> 02:25 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Doug, Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this Alphabet Show. I played Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck Alphabet.<br /> <br /> 02:38 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :That man is not funny.<br /> <br /> 02:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And it's really stupid. (Amy Bugbee: Oh really?) But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put &quot;ABC&quot; and &quot;alphabet&quot; and then whatever. But this is the &quot;ABCs of the Alphabet&quot; or the &quot;Alphabet of ABCs&quot; or the &quot;ABCs of Filth&quot; and, or, the &quot;Alphabet Show&quot;- whatever. We don't really have a name. It's a concept, and all our topic is, all we do is start this half hour Internet talk show with the- a ''letter'' and this week or not this week but this show is the letter &quot;H&quot;. Don't look at my Hs motherfucking jerk, you're a cheater. (Amy Bugbee: Good old H.)<br /> <br /> == Hot Carl ==<br /> 03:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :&quot;[https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hot%20carl Hot Carl].<br /> <br /> 03:20 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :God dude, don't talk about my name on the weekends, don't ever tell people what you call me on fucking Saturdays again. The- you know the mics are on, Doug?<br /> <br /> 03:29 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Okay, well there's- right okay I gave away your stage name.<br /> <br /> 03:34 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :(laughing) Hot Carl. (Shane Bugbee: Amy.)<br /> <br /> 03:37 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's when Doug shaves my chest, he- (laughing)<br /> <br /> 03:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Actually there's debate as to what a proper &quot;[https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hot%20Karl hot Carl]&quot; is.<br /> <br /> 03:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What is a hot Carl, and why are you all into the phil(?) stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> 03:48 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, you do have a hot Carl pin, don't you? <br /> <br /> 03:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> : I have all of them. It's like you- It's like you're ripping- (Doug Misicko: You have dirty Sanchez, you have felching...) It's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words are from my own fucking pins, and I don't like it.<br /> <br /> 03:57 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :All right, go ahead. You talk about- you talk about ''your'' hot Carl. (Shane Bugbee: What is &quot;hot Carl&quot;?) How do you give a hot Carl?<br /> <br /> 04:03 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Listen, I am a hot Carl. ''(all laughing)'' No, what is hot Carl? What is it?<br /> <br /> 04:07 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :&quot;Hot Carl&quot; 's a scat sex act. It's got to do with shit.<br /> <br /> 04:12 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What's with you, dude?<br /> <br /> 04:13 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot peppers?<br /> <br /> 04:14 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :See, that's the debate! The debate is: some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a &quot;Cleveland Steamer&quot;. Or as other people say a hot Carl is- is, got- Anyway you cut it, somebody's taking a shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody. ''(rustling noises)''<br /> <br /> 04:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. (Doug Misicko: And then you-) And then this is a letter H for &quot;high&quot;. I'm sorry, Doug.<br /> <br /> 04:41 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Well, okay.<br /> <br /> 04:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :You want to hit me? (Doug Misicko: No, no.) You getting mad? For interrupting you?<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Carl. (Shane Bugbee: Ah, dude.) Now it's when you- other people say it's when you ''leave'', and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. Uh, I'm leaving tomorrow, you know. (all laughing) My train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> 05:04 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment, and no one would own up to it. They all blamed the ''dog''.<br /> <br /> 05:12 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot Carl, performed on you didn't you.<br /> <br /> 05:18 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill, and it was a second-story apartment. So...<br /> <br /> 05:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :That's- that's hot. As Paris Hilton and Nicole Richards would say, &quot;That's hot&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Doug Misicko taking a shit on a neighbor's doorstep ==<br /> 05:27 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I shit at a neighbor's doorstep before. (Amy Bugbee: Really?) I lived in like this apartment complex, one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings. That type. I was working late night shifts, and this person playing music very loud all day, and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6 a.m., you know?<br /> <br /> 05:47 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I don't understand were you beating on the wall just on a different time. Or did you beat on a wall ''because'' they played well (Doug Misicko: ''Because'' they're playing music.)<br /> <br /> 05:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Because they play loud music, I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. The Odd Couple.<br /> <br /> 06:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I shit on their doorstep and the loud music ''did'' stop. I think they put two and two together. ''(distant train noise)'' And what was funny is it was kind of- <br /> <br /> 06:12 '''Shane Bugbee (interrupting) '''<br /> :Horn! Train horn. H. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> 06:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit, and anybody could have driven by and saw.<br /> <br /> 06:22 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Did you use tissue or anything?<br /> <br /> 06:25 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I took a few with me, and then I finished the job when I, you know... I wasn't, I guess I wasn't- I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the used tissue on the door also. That would have been- there would have been a distinct message to it. (Amy Bugbee: Exactly.) I should have written on them beforehand, &quot;Fuck you,&quot; you know and stuck them... On the door.<br /> <br /> 06:46 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why did you- what does this have to do with H? (Doug Misicko: We went from &quot;hot Carl&quot;). I know but you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I- Doug (Doug Misicko: It's a hot Carl!) Doug I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have her analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> 06:56 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I don't need to be ''anal''-yzed.<br /> <br /> 06:58 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :All this shit talk coming from Doug, though, who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> 07:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of ''hot'' coffee, hot, H. Ah, I know that's not the good H like hot Carl, but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to- hear this? ''(slurping noises)'' I'm going to try to get as high as Amy, but I don't know if that can ever be achieved (Doug Misicko: From the hookah.) From the hookah. Doug's disgusted, &quot;From the hookah!&quot;. Doug's straight edge, (Amy Bugbee: Freaks!) Doug's straight edge, and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubbles, dead-<br /> <br /> 07:32 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I like everybody getting high around me. It's cool. ''(faint farting noise)''<br /> <br /> 07:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. (Amy Bugbee: Was that a hot Carl?) We missed that for gas where I would have-<br /> <br /> 07:42 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Was that a &quot;busted Daisy&quot;? We learned yesterday. (Doug Misicko: That's if he left some-)<br /> <br /> 07:46 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. (Doug Misicko: Right.) And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the ''shit'' and anal stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not, you know, I know that sounds like you know, &quot;Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your ass. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time.&quot; I think you have and you won't admit it. (Amy Bugbee: That's why he's so obsessed.) You know the frozen hotdog story, and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> 08:07 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog, every high school's talking about it.<br /> <br /> 08:13 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :This is &quot;H&quot;, we need some H stories. Amy, what are your H words?<br /> <br /> 08:17 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have &quot;hypocrisy&quot;, &quot;[https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hohman+Ave,+Hammond,+IN,+USA Hohman]&quot;, &quot;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond,_Indiana Hammond]&quot;, &quot;Holmes&quot;, and &quot;home&quot;.<br /> <br /> 08:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I love it... Well, what do you want to- you want to- you want to say, Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> 08:31 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :H.H. Holmes. That's Triple H. (Amy Bugbee: Exactly.)<br /> <br /> 08:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Ah, we're sick of him. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, fuck him.) Say that guy is-<br /> <br /> 08:36 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :He's been dead 100 years.<br /> <br /> 08:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some- kids? Or something to go for. Some goals out there. Two- three hundred dead. H! H! anything else? Your horror, Whore of Horror. Speak up! Let's hear a story about whores or something, from the whore.<br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, we watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> 08:59 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> 09:00 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :We also watched ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_(film) Head]''. (Amy and Shane Bugbee: Head!)<br /> <br /> 09:02 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :The Monkees, ''Head'', the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> 09:05 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. ''(laughs)''<br /> <br /> 09:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, never seen The Monkees ''Head''. Doug just watched the tape. And this was the first time you've seen it. Doug: give an honest review, man. ''Head''.<br /> <br /> 09:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought it was, well, I- (Shane Bugbee: The movie.) I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what ''year'' it was. But it seems ''well''- well above- well before its time. It seems like, you know, something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant-garde. It kind of- you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways, seems like it's going somewhere. If you walk away you feel like you're gonna ''miss'' something, you know?<br /> <br /> 09:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :That's sort of like the theme song that they have there. &quot;Just when you thought it over, the beginning might begin&quot; or something like that. (Amy Bugbee: Yeah, exactly.) And so did you have any respect for the Beatle- uhh, Monkees? Oh, bad note Beatles. Oh my god. I'm a Monkees fan, too.<br /> <br /> 09:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Well, before I saw it?<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Before you saw it, what do you think of The Monkees?<br /> <br /> 10:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :No, I always thought, what I heard of them, that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles something that... (Shane Bugbee: And what do you think after you saw that?) Yeah, they they obviously weren't. They obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot. At least the image that they were portraying ''before'' that a lot, you know. Like I- what I made of the- in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of- how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned, and, you know, how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> 10:40 '''Shane Bugbee (puffing) '''<br /> :I'm getting high - for H. I do my duty, Doug, do you do yours?<br /> <br /> 10:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like, uh, sub-stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> ==Shane muses about circumcision==<br /> 10:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I like Head, in more than one way. Oh! (Doug Misicko: It was supposed to be-) Do you know what I found about getting head? Is that, and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know- I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head? What? (Amy Bugbee: That's &quot;N&quot;. That's &quot;N.&quot;) No, we're talking about &quot;head&quot;, and I'm comparing the two, I used to really love head, but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis, and I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feeling, and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel. It would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think! I wouldn't- I will never know that ,but I really wish I could see my parents and I, you know- but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. (Amy Bugbee: Yeah, it's a ''disgusting'' thing.) That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of Hate and Filth And the Alphabet Show that we're doing here. Which is, I'm Shane. Evil-<br /> <br /> 11:46 '''Doug Misicko (interrupting) '''<br /> :And I'm Doug. (Amy Bugbee: And I'm Amy.)<br /> <br /> 11:49 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And I run Evilnow.com among other things, Mike Hunt Is On Fire.com, Three Ring Radio.com<br /> <br /> 11:55 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :And I own the domain name Dysgenics.com (Shane Bugbee: Well, actua-). oh, (Shane Bugbee: did you hear that explosion?) Yeah, there's something booming.<br /> <br /> 12:02 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, we live in Hammond, Indiana, (Amy Bugbee: On ''Hohman''.) On ''Hohman'', and if you ever- have ever seen ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Story The Christmas Story]'', that's &quot;Hohman, Indiana&quot;, which is really Hammond, Indiana. He just changed the street name and stuff. And &quot;he&quot; being [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Shepherd Jean Shepherd]. But Amy, any Hammond stories? Hammond, where we live- we're broadcasting now, is where ''A Christmas Story'' the movie is- is written about. This is- this is- this is the area.<br /> <br /> 12:28 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, a Summer Story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good too. That, uh, &quot;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_of_the_Open_Hearth Phantom of the Open Hearth]&quot;-<br /> <br /> 12:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Who's Matt Dillon? (Amy Bugbee: Matt Dillon? ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugstore_Cowboy Drugstore Cowboy]''?)<br /> <br /> 12:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :You don't know who ''Matt Dillon'' is? (Doug Misicko: I dunno) We are old. I think Amy, like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking in his Mama's womb or something. His daddy's ball sack.<br /> <br /> 12:56 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen ''Drugstore Cowboy''.<br /> <br /> 13:02 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Have you ever seen ''The Outsiders''?<br /> <br /> 13:05 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :No, that was- no that was like what junior high girls liked, I thought. Wasn't it? (Amy Bugbee: Yeah, it's a book.)<br /> <br /> 13:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :No, it's a good, it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior high girl, and if you say it I'ma fucking hit ya. H. (Doug Misicko: For hit!)<br /> <br /> 13:16 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You ever seen ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_the_Edge_(film) Over the Edge]'' ? That's a great movie. It's like his first movie.<br /> <br /> 13:21 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, ''Over the Edge'' is fucking stellar, cult, man. (Amy Bugbee:Really good.) He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man. You Know.<br /> <br /> 13:28 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Sorry.<br /> <br /> 13:29 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Wow, Matt Dillon. I'm trying to think of a ''recent'' movie he's been in.<br /> <br /> 13:32 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Hey, high school. H, I bet you we all have good high school story. (Doug Misicko: Oh, fuck.) But we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_on_Fire High on Fire]. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> 13:40 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> 13:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> 13:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> 13:51 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> 13:53 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> == Doug casually expresses hate for Jews ==<br /> 13:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> 13:55 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion (Shane Bugbee: For Zion, or from Zion?) 'cause that would make it go ''over'' there... Oh.<br /> <br /> 14:00 '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :''From'' Zion.<br /> <br /> 14:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it. How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> 14:03 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> 14:04 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the third- the only one that didn't get picked, so-<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :That'll be good. We'll just play the whole CD and forget the- fuck the H show. Nah, we'll play. Is that 1?<br /> <br /> 14:12 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :One. Let's start with 1.<br /> <br /> 14:14 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Cool, High on Fire. And let me, let me, let you kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing, too, a demo before- this was not released. (Amny Bugbee: Before they were signed.) So you hear an unreleased High on Fire. <br /> <br /> ==High On Fire song break==<br /> ''[Song: High on Fire - Blood From Zion]'' (- which is cut off abruptly after a minute)<br /> <br /> ==Meal album one-take story==<br /> 15:35 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug this story about High on Fire. (Doug Misicko: Let me hear it.) Okay, so High On Fire, they play this expo- they're great, great musicians and Doug you've never heard High on Fire right? (Doug Misicko: Never heard 'em.) So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal-ness, and so I have to explain to him how God-like High on Fire is. So High on Fire. They write this album called ''[https://www.discogs.com/release/1097273-Sleep-Jerusalem Jerusalem]'', this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song. It's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great album. But it doesn't impress you?<br /> <br /> 16:22 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I'd have to hear it, I guess. (Shane Bugbee: I mean, but isn't that cool?) That is cool. I can see an album like that being good- <br /> <br /> 16:28 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, you're gonna hear some High on Fire right now.<br /> <br /> 16:29 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, that's one of the guys from High on Fire. &quot;Sleep&quot;.<br /> <br /> 16:31 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, that was Sleep. That was the band Sleep. That's a different band.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Matt Pike is like the leader of- <br /> <br /> 16:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Matt Pike is a rock god, he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit, man. He'll- you know in the history annals of metal or rock-and-roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players. And you're into the faggy, Skinny Puppy type stuff which, Amy said the thing about Skinny Puppy is, uh, the ''bad'' thing about Skinny Puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> 17:02 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :N- n-nah, nah I proved heterosexual-ness right at the- <br /> <br /> 17:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah I said not ''many''-<br /> <br /> 17:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Maybe that's why you felt so ''strongly'' about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> 17:13 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards industrial.<br /> <br /> 17:18 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm gonna start that High on Fire song again.<br /> <br /> ==High On Fire song break resumes==<br /> ''[music restarts]''<br /> ''[Song: High on Fire - Blood From Zion]''<br /> <br /> == The psychic ability of Matt Pike to talk to turtles ==<br /> 22:15 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Oh, uh, nice song.<br /> <br /> 22:16 '''Amy Bugbee (drowned out by music) '''<br /> :Matt Pike told us what our turtle's name was. (Shane Bugbee: What was that Amy?) Matt Pike from High on Fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> 22:28 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Oh, so the turtle told ''him'' what its name was.<br /> <br /> 22:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtle's name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes, and about a half an hour later, he said, &quot;Your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle&quot;.<br /> <br /> 22:51 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :(laughing) &quot;Myrtle&quot; of all things. (Amy Bugbee: She's been Myrtle ever since!). Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle? <br /> <br /> 22:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know.<br /> <br /> 22:59 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> 23:02 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :All right. I don't- I don't doubt that it's name is Myrtle. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> 23:06 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Absolutely.<br /> <br /> ==H is for Heil==<br /> 23:08 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Then he was right! Then he was right. (Shane Bugbee: Heil. H.) Heil. Yep, true. Hand in the air. Heil John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> 23:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Heil. Heil! Hitler! Hitler.<br /> <br /> 23:20 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Aw, I couldn't think of another H for that. (Shane Bugbee: H! H!) Just couldn't do it. (Doug Misicko laughing)<br /> <br /> 23:24 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's such an obvious one. (Doug Misicko laughing)<br /> <br /> 23:27 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What, you guys didn't have it? (Amy Bugbee: No.) Are you- are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? &quot;That's so obvious.&quot; (Doug Misicko: &quot;It's typical.&quot;) &quot;It's very typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising.&quot; I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't it, Amy? &quot;Not surprising.&quot; No, but what do you say Amy?<br /> <br /> 23:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Was it on your list?<br /> <br /> 23:50 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's on my list.<br /> <br /> 23:51 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :What else is on your list?<br /> <br /> 23:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :&quot;High.&quot; Like I was ''getting''... at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> 24:04 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> 24:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept- What he did was- every, every time I leave class, he'd take the history book, which was the thickest book, and he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damaged. As you can tell today... Um, I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears... And so one time I took a belt and wrapped it around books. Something like one of my father, my uncle would say that- said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that, whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> == Doug commits arson in high school ==<br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I once lit a pep assembly on fire, and I did not get expelled for it. All those people! I used to get in trouble for most everything I did, and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because they caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. The thing went up. ''[German marching music starts playing]'' And I thought, &quot;Oh shit, it's all over.&quot; But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. (Amy Bugbee: Wow, you never got caught?) It was the most amazing thing I never got caught for... (Shane Bugbee: I love it.) But speaking about whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a- in my high school...<br /> <br /> 25:27 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing &quot;Hitler Youth&quot; songs underneath you, do you? (Doug Misicko: No, it's fine.) It's a good march there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> 25:34 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Maybe I can tell a story then. (Shane Bugbee: Marching, Doug, like this. ''[goose-stepping noises]'') In high school I used to have a swim class first hour. Yeah? And this was when I was like, yeah-<br /> <br /> 25:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :He's like saying that because I get high. And then I, in high school. I always, if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls — yes, I'm stuck in the Eighties — all day. And you could just say, &quot;I had a swimming class first period.&quot; Ha-ha, ha-ha.<br /> <br /> 25:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :And chlorine made you bloodshot, right? (Shane Bugbee: Yeah.) But anyways- I didn't do that. But, we had this stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office, and then we're all supposed to ''not'' get in the pool. &quot;Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance,&quot; which was us lining up and calling off a number. ''Every fucking morning'' we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> == Shane takes offence at the word 'fat', using the n-word ==<br /> 26:19 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Hey. That's like saying &quot;nigger&quot; in front of a Black guy. I'm fat. You can use, the &quot;rotund&quot;.<br /> <br /> 26:25 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Right- (laughing) Pleasant- pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out, we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said ''(shouting)'' &quot;JEREMY! GET OUT OF THERE!&quot; (laughter) But it happened Every. Single. Morning. They were both so stupid. ''(shouting)'' &quot;JEREMY! GET OUT OF THERE!&quot; (laughter) ...High school was all provoking people and getting in fights. <br /> <br /> 26:57 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :High School was all about gettin' high.<br /> <br /> 26:59 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high, and ''not going''.<br /> <br /> == Shane's criminal past ==<br /> 27:04 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So. And then I went ''back'' because I got, well, I got &quot;housed&quot;. Let's put it that way. I got &quot;housed&quot; for a month and a half in a county jail, and uh, for residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because it looked good for court. (Doug Misicko: Ohhh.) And that was absolutely the way different experience. (Doug Misicko: Because it was a different school, right?) No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so ''serious'' after that. When you come back to school and they're just fucking kids. And they're just fucking off talking about ''garbage''. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids, and I did ''not'' feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into. You know, they make it hard to get a job, you know, you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know- just because you don't want to go to school that's a bad person.<br /> <br /> 28:10 '''Doug Misicko (sarcastically) '''<br /> :Jail sounds like a great resource for our kids then!<br /> <br /> 28:13 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson, now I walk the line, but I don't break the law. I absolutely will not- that was a fucking ''definite'' learning experience and I fucking came out of there a fucking sober person, saying, &quot;You do that, there's repercussions for what you do.&quot; And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions, every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers: &quot;Wuit blaming other fucking people, it's your problem every situation you're in.&quot; And six weeks in jail will do that to you. During that time I broke- I had my pinky broken. Tried to punch someone, I'm not much of a fighter, and hit the concrete wall. And my pinky broke because the guy was stealing my food, and as a fat fuck, you don't do that. I'll fight anyone for that. Fucking Mike Tyson takes my fucking corn or something and he's gonna-<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Eats your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich hoagie].<br /> <br /> 29:01 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah I'm gonna fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> 29:04 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You had your ''pinky broken'' in jail?<br /> <br /> 29:06 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I broke my own pinky. Yes. Came out, I was in a cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, pinky. What a gay fucking thing. Gay. Well, it's honest though. 26 seconds. <br /> <br /> [''German marching music ends'']<br /> <br /> 29:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Hermaphrodite.&quot;<br /> <br /> 29:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :The ABC show next week is- what letter comes after H? (Doug Misicko: Oh, shit.) &quot;I.&quot; Eye, Doug. (Doug Misicko: Eye.) Doug, Amy, Shane, goodbye. Evil Now.com<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:36 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Whore Of Horror.com<br /> <br /> 29:37 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :See ya. Right, Amy? Is it over? Next week I, this was H. ABCs. ''[timer bleeps]''<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the I show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over, we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> ==Israel==<br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:44<br /> :<br /> <br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on nuking &quot;the Holy Land&quot; and setting fire to churches==<br /> 08:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :It's ignorant. And I have respect for ancient history and archaeology, but I would say make the fucking &quot;Holy Land&quot; to crater, a radioactive waste, and then tell them, &quot;Go to town. It's all yours. All you assholes. Fuck it. Solomon's Temple? Who gives a shit. It's just it's gone to fucking far. It's gone too fucking far. <br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Exactly. Fence off the whole country, and it can only be for tourists, you know, no one can live there or something.<br /> <br /> 09:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, free zone, UN, whatever. Martial Law! No- none of those assholes should be there. If people really are- have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with. (Amy Bugbee: Exactly.) Churches- churches are terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document, and it's ''stupid''.<br /> <br /> 09:27 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :''Ignite'' the church. <br /> <br /> 09:30 ''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 09:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :We need to ignite some churches. Here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptists. (Doug Misicko: Really?) it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the, uh, you know, like a ''dome''. Like a stadium.<br /> <br /> ==Inebriation stories==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :Yeah, that's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like, what, eight tracks and then do another CD. (Shane Bugbee: Exactly.) I thought it would have been cool if they did more.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing toda?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on The View and Network N-words==<br /> 22:15 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're doing the alphabet. We're starting each show with a letter, and just going- That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme. We bring up a letter, first word comes to mind, and we ''discuss'' this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black Negros and sit and talk about-<br /> <br /> 22:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :''Rotund''. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) We don't use the &quot;f-word&quot; in this house.<br /> <br /> 22:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Inflated&quot; for &quot;I&quot;.<br /> <br /> 22:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god, inflated? (Amy Bugbee: There you go.) Worse than- worse than fat. &quot;Inflated&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Right.) But like the five big flat- fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> 22:49 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Big- uhh, I think it's five big, big ''inflated'' Negros that discuss things on a show. I dunno, there's some morning show.<br /> <br /> 23:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I've never seen it. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, nevermind.) Is it &quot;The View&quot;?<br /> <br /> 23:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> 23:02 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Are they all Negros? <br /> <br /> 23:03 '''Doug Misicko''' <br /> : I think so.<br /> <br /> 23:06 '''Shane Bugbee''' <br /> Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> 23:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :She's a Negro. <br /> <br /> 23:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> 23:11 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yep. She's Jewish.<br /> <br /> 23:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :She's some- No, oh, uh, she's a- she's a network (Shane Bugbee: Idiot?) -nigger, is what she is. (Shane Bugbee: Right.) She was paid one time- she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity. Now, if that's not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. (Shane Bugbee: Exactly.) You know, she talked to him, and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered, nice man he is and everything else. And the guy's making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into, &quot;Everybody knew that smoking was bad for you.&quot; And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that, you set a bad precedent you should be stopped. Shane Bugbee: Or killed.) Had they not ''been lying'', it would have been different story. (Shane Bugbee: Or killed.) Right? (Amy Bugbee: What were they lying about on medical records?) Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that, It's up to them. (Shane Bugbee: Right) When they lie about it, that's a whole different story.<br /> <br /> ==On fatty foods==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :Same thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Italian Fascism==<br /> 26:46 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Tune in for the last five minutes- or 10 minutes of the F show, and you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> 27:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago, and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardone_Riviera Gardone Riviera]. And that's where [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittoriale_degli_italiani Gabriele D'Annunzio's house] was. Most people don't know who Gabriele D'Annunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet- (Shane Bugbee: Italian, &quot;I&quot;.) Yeah, Italy... So, we went over there- I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked- but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else. And the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, D'Annunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfelds, Colons, Dicks, and Bushes, but anyways, ''he lost an eye'' in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers, the Blackshirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackshirts original Blackshirts]. Those were the original ''fascists'', and Mussolini aligned themselves with him and them. And he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about them. D'Annunzio didn't like Mussolini, he was saying, &quot;You say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot&quot; — for &quot;I&quot;. And so when Mussolini came to power, right, D'Annunzio was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home, being that he spent their money like it was going out of style, It was ''beautiful''. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that- his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room, it was like it had like a coffin-<br /> <br /> 29:12 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh I ''love'' that- I've always wanted. And it's funny, you say that: I've always wanted to have themed rooms.<br /> <br /> 29:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :He had one where the+ the theme was severed hand. There was hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was- he was ''great''.<br /> <br /> 29:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a Q no J No. K. J. Evil Now.com.<br /> <br /> 29:38 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :TV Is God.com<br /> <br /> 29:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:41 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> : Only one. That's because of his ''addiction''. &quot;A&quot; show, addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ''Canned Audio: Sesame Street ABCs''<br /> <br /> 03:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy? How you doing?<br /> <br /> 03:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I’m doing just fine. Am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> 03:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> 03:24 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Uh-oh. It's the alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from Three Ring Radio and Doug from dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 03:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm...not here<br /> <br /> 03:37 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And the great artist from ''[[Might is Right]]'' too. That's Doug (Doug Misicko: Thank you.)<br /> <br /> 03:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, not really from ''Might is Right'', he really attached himself to something that was already moving, and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned with such a great book. I still can't figure it out.<br /> <br /> 03:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Soon to be a great artist for more than just (Shane Bugbee: Soon to be, exactly.) known just for Might is Right. And Shane got what? How many websites? (Shane Bugbee: I don't know.) Evilnow. Club Hate. Mike Hunt is on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> 04:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what else Amy if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> 04:23 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't want to overlook any you know.<br /> <br /> 04:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there aren't they? (Shane Bugbee: Sometimes.) Yeah.<br /> <br /> 04:31 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And then I do TV is God and &quot;The Whore of Horror&quot; or, &quot;Whore of Horror&quot;.<br /> <br /> 04:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We better get ''The'' Whore of Horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get it - you're fucking us. You're fucking us. (Doug Misicko: Fucking prick.)<br /> <br /> 04:45 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh it's the Alphabet Show and today's letter's what? K?<br /> <br /> 04:48 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Brought to you by the letter K?<br /> <br /> 04:49 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> 04:53 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K. (Amy Bugbee: Special K.)<br /> <br /> 04:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :K K K and you know we played some Johnny Rebel, but now we have an excuse to play Cajun Ku Klux Klan if we wanted to (Amy Bugbee: Excellent, let's do it.) Do you have any K songs, then Amy?<br /> <br /> 05:09 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I got Karma to Burn, but I think we could hear some- (Shane Bugbee: Some more Johnny Rebel!)<br /> <br /> 05:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some more of the triple K. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that a veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> 05:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :If it's a veterina- well, that's just PCP then, they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is.<br /> <br /> 05:30 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, it's like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably similar.<br /> <br /> 05:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, it's just gotta be PCP because that's what PCP is, is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> 05:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I’m pretty sure it's special K, isn't it?<br /> <br /> 05:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know. I've never- and like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> 05:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets-<br /> <br /> 06:02 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Bites the bumper leaves his teeth mark in it, shit like that?<br /> <br /> 06:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, gets shot five times and runs at a guy and rips his head off with his bare hands. Those are PCP guys.<br /> <br /> 06:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember taking- I smoked PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this- in this court, you know, [''makes car noises'']<br /> <br /> 06:29 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. Some easy listening tune and playing in slow motion, you're smiling-<br /> <br /> 06:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Something like fucking Ozzy Osbourne or something like that, you know, Crazy Train or something nutty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> 06:49 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :In a car full of guys with their eyes like ''wide'' open.<br /> <br /> 06:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just to, just to go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking for like three weeks. And I know there was a big riot everyone, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I'm- I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot break out. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me, we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PCP story.<br /> <br /> 07:26 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> 07:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not, we couldn't run away. I think it was, we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCP.<br /> <br /> 07:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I get it. I guess the real scary part of this, was you and some guy were holding hands. (Shane Bugbee: Yes. Yeah. Well that's-) It's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> 07:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like all of a sudden we look at each other's hands go. Ah! It didn't scare us the riot didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story for K.<br /> <br /> 08:02 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, how is PCP similar or different to crystal meth?<br /> <br /> 08:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, meth is an upper meth is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. (Doug Misicko: Forget it. I can't help you). You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommend an institution.<br /> <br /> 08:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I thought PCP was an upper. (Shane Bugbee: No, no! No, no.)<br /> <br /> 08:36 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's more like a hallucinogen.<br /> <br /> 08:39 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone- someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have, uh, extra adrenaline. (Doug Misicko: Okay...) but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say an animal tranquilizer. (Doug Misicko: Okay.) Crystal meth is an upper, like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. (Amy Bugbee: Mm-hmm.) Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. (Amy Bugbee: It was nice! It was fun.) She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me, I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm (Doug Misicko: Attracted to your opposite.) Yeah, I'm up, and Amy is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's- she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, Oh, I'd do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> 09:49 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive I'd murder somebody. (Amy Bugbee: ''laughs'')<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what, you know, just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and- I can't kill, you know it's, it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> 10:19 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't know- I think about, I think about murder a lot.<br /> <br /> 10:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. (Amy Bugbee: Which one?) I don't know you were saying how nice it was, before Doug interrupted, but it's not murder it's K, cunt, for Kill. (Doug Misicko: Killing.) Killin, with an -in not an -ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> 10:39 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know-<br /> <br /> 10:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :How about driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> 10:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving- me, Shane and Mike Diana, and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. (Shane Bugbee: To be on TV.) We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like, every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were goners for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> ==Discussing how Doug would prefer to murder someone==<br /> 11:31 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And now Doug I did say you would kill on crystal meth. Killing, K, ABC show.<br /> <br /> 11:37 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about m- I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> 11:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch and we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. (Doug Misicko: I think we were on the couch.) We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you- I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck- you, you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> 12:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I might. I might. I've gotten close to it.<br /> <br /> 12:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think so. Are you scared of yourself?<br /> <br /> 12:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Sometimes.<br /> <br /> 12:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You're afraid of yourself, Doug. (Doug Misicko: I dunno.) Admit it. You have a personality disorder.<br /> <br /> 12:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I remember one time I was just at a- I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for- we were walking around at night.<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Whole? (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) Here comes the whole Joel. Here comes the hole Joe. [''laughs'']<br /> <br /> 12:28 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're walking around this (Shane Bugbee: Make sure Joel hears that.) cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out there. (Shane Bugbee: Did you ever think a-) It's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> 12:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's hole?<br /> <br /> 12:44 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> 12:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fuckin' good old Joel.<br /> <br /> 12:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> 12:53 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical are we? Are we talking like, no law? Are we talking like, just what I'd want to do or- (Amy Bugbee: Preference.) what I could (Amy Bugbee: Your preference.) get away-<br /> <br /> 13:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right now what would you do now? Today.<br /> <br /> 13:05 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think would be the most enjoyable?<br /> <br /> 13:07 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Killing somebody with my bare hands, just bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just 'til the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wad of skin and meat you know, and crushed bone. (Shane Bugbee: [''laughing''] Ah, that's a good one.) You know?<br /> <br /> 13:19 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I think that's- bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, bludgeoning, or-)<br /> <br /> 13:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, but there's laws you're saying, she's saying most fun that's what you'd do.<br /> <br /> 13:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I'd do. In, in- respect to the law I would use poison.<br /> <br /> 13:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly, you have to do poison. And I would enjoy a poison kill anyway, I think about killing myself and I think poison would be- it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have, you know, if you know, they have to choke.<br /> <br /> 13:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> 13:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. (Doug Misicko: That's true.) I don't want- Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> ==Ricin==<br /> 14:04 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture, hard to detect. You know, they talk all about ricin now as a terrorist tool, but-<br /> <br /> 14:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like, in South Carolina. Their their their bush, their state bush is a leaf that's poison, and if you dried it out and made it into a tea it could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. (Doug Misicko: What tour?) (Amy Bugbee: Of the town.) We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) you know.<br /> <br /> 14:33 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> 14:40 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Ricin comes from just from castor beans. It's not hard. It's like, you know, it's a, it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. (Shane Bugbee: Really.)<br /> <br /> 14:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow. Where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> 14:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own ricin.<br /> <br /> 14:57 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And what do you do with ricin Doug?<br /> <br /> 15:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Ricin, you put it in some ways food or you make contact it's one of the, it's one of the most potent poisons.<br /> <br /> 15:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you do with it Doug?<br /> <br /> 15:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't do anything with it.<br /> <br /> 15:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Tell us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> 15:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[''laughs''] People, people could do that. [Amy Bugbee: Castor beans are-) And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is, it's, it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well, (Amy Bugbee: It won't kill'em.) it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and it's hard to do. It's a prolonged death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenics and they die. Coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on than people like to acknowledge you know (Shane Bugbee: oh yeah), I think it happens a lot.<br /> <br /> 15:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :If it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay. (Doug Misicko: Or you could make your-)<br /> <br /> 15:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital, I think there's something going on.<br /> <br /> 15:52 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yes, she told me about that.<br /> <br /> 15:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :So if I die, I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> 15:57 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh really? (Shane Bugbee: Yes.) Oh well- watch your back. (Doug Misicko: Well, well you can make your own-)<br /> <br /> 16:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's, uh, is character flaw with a K? No that's a C.<br /> <br /> ==Columbine==<br /> 16:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's fine. But botulin spores you can put your own botulism in people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> 16:20 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Columbine.<br /> <br /> 16:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't, I'm not very Columbine savvy. (Shane Bugbee: Klebold.) Which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair?<br /> <br /> 16:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> 16:33 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They're just like one entity, does it really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> 16:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have to, I think Amy's favorite is Klebold.<br /> <br /> 16:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. (Doug Misicko: Why?) I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, he looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> 16:59 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> 16:59 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> 17:02 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Okay, I get it.<br /> <br /> 17:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah I can't figure out, I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> 17:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You're looking at their unit?<br /> <br /> 17:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I look at them ''as'' a unit.<br /> <br /> ==The KKK and killing Jewish people==<br /> 17:15 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Alright. So weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, we were talking about the Ku Klux Klan. (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) Amy was talking about kikes during the- you know, when we were off the air, for K.<br /> <br /> 17:30 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K-word.<br /> <br /> 17:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think you said, &quot;Fucking kill the kikes&quot;.<br /> <br /> 17:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What does &quot;kike&quot; mean to you, Amy?<br /> <br /> 17:39 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Go fly a kike. <br /> <br /> 17:40 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Kike-y tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yes. &quot;Just do it.&quot;<br /> <br /> 17:50 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[''laughing''] I don't have any good KKK stories. I- (Shane Bugbee: No?) I gotta say I've never met anybody in the KKK.<br /> <br /> 17:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over. Andy.<br /> <br /> 18:07 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> 18:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me? I guess so, as long as he doesn't let me live through my miserable life, that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> 18:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And his wife were over. They're both active members in the Klan.<br /> <br /> 18:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, and they were cool. We watched- what do we watch with them? We watch any movies or did we just hang out? And watch Bum Fights? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, that's right.) Yeah we watched Bum Fights (Doug Misicko: Oh, that's funny.) and they were disgusted or the wife looked disgusted by it but they were, you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he ''was'' listen I'm talking past tense ''was'' a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the Klan, seems that, you know (Doug Misicko: There's &quot;Christians&quot; in the Klan.) I parted ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> 18:50 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the Klan do?<br /> <br /> ==Moving to Europe==<br /> 18:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, I guess.) What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups - that's from the ACLU to PETA to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. Shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> 19:26 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I tried. I fucking tried.<br /> <br /> 19:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Why can't you get over? You could have got over there.<br /> <br /> 19:31 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was ''there'', I- you can't get a job over there now.<br /> <br /> 19:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry, sucker. I get over there and fucking, I'll be over there man.<br /> <br /> 19:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was- I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> 19:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, I don't have any friends over there.) I tried to talk Amy into moving to Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> 19:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> ==Opposition to religions in public==<br /> 19:57 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck outta here, I can't handle these kinds of politics Kerry, Bush, Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have, they don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we ''don't'' have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in Three Ring Radio, we had spoke about the, in France, going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away. This other jamoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie. I don't know who's telling me what, I don't really care if I moved to France I'm not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling, &quot;Kill Christians&quot;. I ain't gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanists or any Buddhists or anyone. I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that.<br /> <br /> 20:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, I know recently in France, they were talking- they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No- no turbans, no goddamn little Jewish- (Shane Bugbee: Where was this at?) In France! No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps on their heads.<br /> <br /> 21:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I like that as long as it’s ''no'' religious stuff. Fucking none- <br /> <br /> 21:14 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :I'm with you. I'm all for it. I'm ''all'' for it.<br /> <br /> 21:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like like smoking in public- it's like smoking in restaurants wearing religious garb all over. It's offensive to me. I don't want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense ass. Fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public, either.<br /> <br /> 21:33 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head, every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> 21:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Rip the crosses off their necks. Stick it in their nose, their eye. Eye revenge.<br /> <br /> 21:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Stick it in their fucking eye, right.<br /> <br /> 21:48 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids so they'd learn better. Maybe if we did that with everybody, you know-<br /> <br /> 21:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly. (Amy Bugbee: A better society.) Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> 22:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Like, ooh, like the cubicle! K for cubicle.<br /> <br /> 22:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey, isn't that C? (Amy Bugbee: Well...) Today it's K?<br /> <br /> 22:10 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It was &quot;character flaw&quot; worked. Why not cubicle? (Shane Bugbee:You're right.)<br /> <br /> 22:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Got a point. (Shane Bugbee: Touché.)<br /> <br /> 22:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I had this theory about cubicles because we had this office where we lived before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep, I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is, the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of. A cubicle.<br /> <br /> 22:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking, I'd be saying- &quot;You're fucking typing fucking loud!&quot; You know? &quot;Jesus Christ. You're typing loud.&quot;<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I know how that goes. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I start getting pissy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> ==Visiting the KKK Museum==<br /> 23:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you say? &quot;Ma, turn down the fucking soaps&quot;? (Doug Misicko: &quot;Yeah.&quot;) (Amy Bugbee: He throws a shoe at his parents.) Are you deaf? (Doug Misicko: All right.) All right, Klan. When are you going joining you know me and Amy went to the Klan Museum when we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married to. (Amy Bugbee: On our honeymoon.) She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to. Beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> 23:32 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Montreal, or Toronto, wherever weed was legal or something.<br /> <br /> 23:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, right. So, so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the Rebel flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the Klan museum on our honeymoon. And the Klan guy like I called a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone number to call them said &quot;we're on my honeymoon&quot; and he goes &quot;well I'm closed but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids.&quot; Kids K, (Doug Misicko: alrighty) and he- KKK, Museum, and so he takes us down we go out there we meet them down there, opens the store and we're let in, it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs Klan-y is &quot;Honey, don't let him cheat you, get something for yourself&quot; so so Amy goes runs over gets a t-shirt, &quot;the night time is the white time&quot;. (Doug Misicko: ''laughs'') (Amy Bugbee: I love that shirt!) Tell him what else, tell him how they showed us the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> 24:27 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :John Howard, the guy who ran it his son, he's like what a sacred Cyclops or something? His son took us down-<br /> <br /> 24:36 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You gotta talk into the microphone, though.<br /> <br /> 24:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :From the movie ''The Klansmen'', you know what they say. What is that, an ordained Cyclops or something? He says-<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops (Doug Misicko: That's right). That was funny yesterday or the other day we're talking eye, E for eye. We're talking about Doug's missing eye. &quot;I'm not a fucking Cyclops. I have two eyes, just one's broken!&quot; Ah, that's fucking funny, dude.<br /> <br /> 25:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :So anyways, ''Raiders of the Lost Ark''.<br /> <br /> 25:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :The back room was like ''Raiders of the Lost Ark'' when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, Amy, go ahead.<br /> <br /> 25:14 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walking around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am.<br /> <br /> 25:34 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> 25:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :With Bush in office. I mean, Bush ''is'' the Klan. Those fucking people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over Bush. I hate I God I hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. (Doug Misicko: He's a retard.) Speaking of the Klan. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was, it was fun to go on our, on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely Klan song by Johnny Rebel. I think we can actually dedicate this one Amy. What was Andy's wife's name? (Amy Bugbee: Cindy.) This is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> ==Anti-Black Racist Song==<br /> 26:24 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> ''Editor's note: lyrics contain flagrant racism, slurs and narrative description of a lynching''<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Rebel_(singer) Kajun Ku Klux Klan] by Johnny Rebel&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :You niggers listen now<br /> :I'm gonna tell you how<br /> :To keep from getting torchered<br /> :When the Klan is on the prowl<br /> :Stay at home at night<br /> :And lock your doors up tight<br /> :Don't go outside or else you'll find<br /> :Those crosses-a-burnin' bright<br /> :Now I know you won't believe me<br /> :So I'm gonna tell you why<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :Is gonna get you by and by<br /> :I'm warnin' you that when I'm through<br /> :You're gonna change your tune<br /> :This story's 'bout a nigger<br /> :His name was Levi Coon<br /> <br /> :He walked into a cafe<br /> :He thought he'd get a bite<br /> :He thought that they would serve him<br /> :Since they passed the civil rights<br /> :The waitress told him no<br /> :And that he'd better go<br /> :He said, &quot;No ma'am, my Uncle Sam say<br /> :I don't have to go.&quot;<br /> :So he sat there in that cafe<br /> :Bein' stubborn as a mule<br /> :No matter what she said<br /> :He wouldn't get up off that stool<br /> :He sat there like a jackass<br /> :Said, &quot;I'm gonna demonstarate.<br /> :I came in here to eat, and<br /> :I ain't leavin' 'til I've ate.&quot;<br /> <br /> :The waitess had enough<br /> :She said, &quot;I'll call your bluff.&quot;<br /> :She said, &quot;If we can't treat you right<br /> :We'll have to treat you rough.&quot;<br /> :The phone was in her hands<br /> :She gave him one more chance<br /> :He wouldn't go, and so she called<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :When he saw them cajuns comin'<br /> :Levi knew it was too late<br /> :His eyes popped out his head<br /> :And his kinky hair got straight<br /> :He said, &quot;Oh lousy white folks<br /> :I didn't mean a thing.<br /> :Why did I have to listen<br /> :To that demonstrator King?&quot;<br /> <br /> :Now niggers understand<br /> :They tied up both his hands<br /> :He was at the mercy of<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :I knew just what they'd do<br /> :Levi knew it too<br /> :I knew what kind of torture<br /> :They would put that nigger through<br /> :Now the moral of this story<br /> :As plain as it can be<br /> :Niggers mind your business<br /> :And let us white folks be<br /> :You'd better heed my warnin'<br /> :And try to understand<br /> :Don't you demonstrate<br /> :Around the Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> |}<br /> <br /> 29:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :All right. Three Ring Radio.com - Evil Now.com - Whore Of Horror.com - Dysgenics.com<br /> And this is K in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for [''beeping'']<br /> <br /> 29:55 '''Singer '''<br /> :LMNOP QRS, T U V, W-<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ABCshow N<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section I==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on N-words== <br /> 08:36 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your N words, Doug?<br /> <br /> 08:40 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I have neighbors, Nazi…<br /> <br /> 08:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Did you say neighbors?<br /> <br /> 08:44 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 08:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Is that the other N word? (Amy Bugbee: *laughing*)<br /> <br /> 08:48 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Other N word? You mean be-<br /> <br /> 08:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That’s the other N word. Like &quot;nigger&quot;. And then you go, &quot;nigger&quot;, and the other N word is neighbors. They’re a nigger.<br /> <br /> 08:55 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why &quot;nigger&quot;! I didn’t think of that.<br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy’s uh, father gave us that one.<br /> <br /> 08:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :That’s what my dad says.<br /> <br /> 09:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What? He says &quot;neighbors&quot; is the other N word?<br /> <br /> 09:01 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :He says that &quot;neighbors&quot; is the ''other'' N word, yeah.<br /> <br /> 09:03 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> Oh, Right. Well... then what- what do you do if your neighbor’s a nigger?<br /> <br /> 09:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fuckin' hang him high. (Amy Bugbee: Sell your house.) Hang him high, OK?<br /> <br /> 09:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> : *laughs audibly into the mic* I also had ''news'', ''nurses'', and ''noise''...<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section II==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Fascist Neighborhoods and Hidden Heroes==<br /> 12:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I gotta tell you, the f-word still has 'em all beat. (Shane Bugbee: What?) F-word still has 'em all beat internationally. I go to other countries, I still see &quot;fuck&quot; on the wall. I never see &quot;nigger&quot; written on a wall.<br /> <br /> 12:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Interesting<br /> <br /> 12:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :When I was in Italy, I didn’t see &quot;nigger&quot; anywhere.<br /> <br /> 12:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :But you went to the fascist leader’s house. (Doug Misicko: Actually, I was in a fascist-) The guy who started the fascist-<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was in a fascist neighborhood, right outside the Vatican, and it was a real nice, clean area, but you would see swastikas spraypainted. You know, like the crosshairs. I don’t know what you call that, you know, but it was a fascist symbol. [https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/celtic-cross A circle with just the crosshairs in it]. With… little fascist logos or anything else. It was a clean area, ''nice'' area. If you went to the shitty side of town on the wrong side of the tracks in Rome, saw little hammers and sickles painted on the walls and shit like that. That was the difference.<br /> [[File:Sun cross O con noi o contro di noi.png|200px|right]]<br /> 12:54 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow, that’s crazy.<br /> <br /> 12:56 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think it says a lot, and I think it stands to reason...<br /> <br /> 13:01 '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :And you bought that T-shirt. What did your T-shirt say?<br /> <br /> 13:04 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Uh, in Italian it says “you’re with us, or you’re against us.” And it was- it’s a- It’s a ''fascist'' shirt. It was a ''fascist'' logo on it. I actually got it at a little fascist kiosk outside of Gabriele D’Annunzio’s palace.<br /> <br /> 13:19 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And who is that again?<br /> <br /> 13:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He was a- y’know- he was like the first fascist. He was the ''godfather'' of fascism. Italian World War One hero that occupied the promised territories, after the First World War. With the Blackshirts. One of those- One of those hidden heroes. People should look him up. Look him up on the internet... Good deal.<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section III==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Letter A */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ''[music plays]''<br /> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgmdnxtz3Bo Song: The Three Stooges: Swinging the Alphabet]<br /> [music stops at 01:46]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Doug. (Doug, faintly: Yes.) Can't even hear you. Try it again. [faintly: I don't know], Try it again, Doug. (Doug: Okay.) ah, there we are. Very good. Amy. (Amy, faintly: Hello.) I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk into the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :All right. What's up. We're reprives-''(sic)'', priving-''(sic)'' Our role- pre-. How do you say that? Reprising? Yeah. (Amy: Reprising?) Something. We're reenacting our roles in the 9/11 broadcast right now. (Doug: Married and stupid.) This time Doug isn't refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time, remember? (Shane: Your ride's here.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is, they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :In order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show, and bands that start with the letter A or B or C. We really don't have a name but- (Amy: The Alphabet Show?) The Alphabet Show. Doug says &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot;, that- you know, how typical. (Doug: Filth.) (Amy: Filth, was the-) Filth, how, how- your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably would he's atypical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :Yeah. That was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :It should be the ABCs without W. (Amy: Why no W?) 'Cos our world is a world without W.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know, they call the president? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush W].<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :Our world is dominated by W (Doug, raising his voice: but, I'd rather, I'd rather it wasn't!)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:30<br /> :Hey, going to W. This is A. And speaking of A, ''asshole''...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :Hey, I got my [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Stripes White Stripes] CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking A, now see? (Doug: ''[laughing]'' C?) Asshole. Animosity. Aggravation.<br /> <br /> == Anencephaly ==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :Anencephalic. (Shane: Oh, hey man-) (Amy: Atrophy.) That's my favorite A word.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :Nah, you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No, it means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What is that word again? (Doug: Anencephalic.) Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :Yeah, it's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the collapsed heads in little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :That's what happened to Prince's kid. [ed note: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)#Personal_life Amiir Nelson]]<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Wow, so that is- what happened to Prince's kid? An-a-phallic-jalic? ''(sic)''<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :Born without a brain. [ed note: actually [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfeiffer_syndrome Pfeiffer syndrome], not anencephaly]<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Did he smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? (Doug: I dunno.) &quot;Born without a brain&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :I couldn't tell you. (Shane: But what is the name, what is that again?) Anencephalic. (Shane: Ana-sana-phallic? ''(sic)'') Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :Ah, I got it. Well, we're onto another word.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :I think Doug's making up words. (Shane: Yeah, Doug's just fucking with everyone.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :True word. Medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, any good stories? John- Doug. You got any good stories about anna-phalla-atic ''(sic)''?.<br /> <br /> == Doug wants to buy a fetus==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met one, but if anybody's willing to sell me one...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickled punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had, was Prince's son, huh?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they won't know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic?<br /> <br /> == Shane on meeting Amy==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Nah, they're just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. (Doug, snickering: You're right.) (Amy: That starts with A.) (Doug: Yeah.) And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy- and Amy, my favorite A word of all, Amy. Beautiful Amy. (Amy: Aww, you're sweet.) Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running through the streets angry looking for a mad fix. (Amy: Exactly) Something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? (Shane: No.) Makes me so angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> == Shane recounts a story about an escort ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier a good story. I think about something about anal, we said was, we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything. A, anal. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A, ass. and, you know, she thought, she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. (Doug: But did she eat it?) And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She- I don't know. Maybe if she, he, I paid extra she may have that's maybe why she was so filthed out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, well, maybe you should get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town on these people. She was really disgusted by the- it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ass. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just filthed here out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim, you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been. (Shane: Yeah.) Or she had really long fingernails or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :She also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked in that trade said it was common, that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty, and a lot of the girls had figured that was- they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty. And sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta good anal story. (Shane: Oh! Okay.) One time. I stuck a candle in this guy's butt.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :No, no, he was wide awake.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Doug, take your pants off if you want. It's a good one. (Doug: All right.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So, so (Shane: Chocolate, anyone?) (Doug: No, no.) this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :''(muffled)'' Hey, hold on. I'm eating chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. Explain to him it wasn't me. (Amy: It wasn't Shane.) I do like my ass worked. Okay. (Doug: Alright.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your- boy, you're eating ''nutty'' chocolate, I realized.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :It was a born again Christian I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the ass worked?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :Oh, yeah. He- I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And all of a sudden-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:40<br /> :Do you mean hot looking?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :No. I mean, it was- (Doug: The friction's creating heat.) heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :It was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :I pulled it out, and half the candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke off inside of them. And I didn't tell him or anything. I just figured he'd poop it out later, but- (Doug: He probably had to go to the doctor for that.) No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass that dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? (Amy: Mm-hm.) And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop, I think.<br /> <br /> == Doug on anal sex ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :Doug: I gotta ask. (Doug: All right.) Why have you never had your ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just- I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can't say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess- I guess. (Shane: You guess?) Perhaps. (Shane: Perhaps? You ever thought about it?) No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Are you sweaty down below thinking about it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :No, if it did I'd do it, but it hasn't, so I haven't.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :You know, there's the prostate up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :That's what I hear, it's supposed to be like a male G-spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :A gay man told me that before. (Shane, shouting: HEY!)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about &quot;a gay man once told me&quot;, (Doug: And now I'm looking at you again.) Exactly. Doug's giving me the one brown eye he's got.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :No, no, it was another- it was a gay guy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :Another ga-? I'll fucking beat your fucking skull in like a goddamn wife abuser, man! We're on live radio. (Amy laughs) I just told the whole EvilNow group to join in. &quot;Another gay man.&quot; Thanks, Amy. Thanks.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :No, it was this gay guy. (Shane: Uh-huh? You fucking bitch.) He used to date, oh, you know who he used to date was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Day-Lewis Daniel Day-Lewis]. Anyway-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :We'll save that for Ds. Tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis getting his ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :Yeah, so, I was having a after-hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true! All- you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Well, I hear a legend, an urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. (Shane: No.) Yeah, if you stop shooting loads it pools up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. (Shane: Oh, really? I didn't know that.) Yeah, but friend of mine, Monty, claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves, jerk you off. And tickle- work your ass with their finger. (Shane: Oh, God.) That's what he claims- It's just something they gotta do. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :I-, Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but...(Amy: I would say so.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. (Amy: That's why they-) if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. (Doug: Yeah.) I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's why doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's- man, you can't- I don't know if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> == John Ashcroft ==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make- Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcroft nice t shirt. You got there fellow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashcroft John Ashcroft].<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :Doug drew a really cool t-shirt. He's an artist, a fartist, I like to call him- but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, no I'm joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one eye? (Shane: I don't know).<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does, that he does have one eye.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :But I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good artist just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t-shirt that we're going to be selling on ThreeRingRadio.com and EvilNow.com and dysgenics.com and WhoreOfHorror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :Right. And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful A. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :''(singing)'' Let the eagles soar-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :Ah, you were listening to it all day.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :''(singing)''Like they... I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs, I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore Michael Moore]. (Doug: Oh right, right.) He's related to the guy in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_Church_of_the_Final_Judgment The Process].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Grimston Robert de Grimston Moor].<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :Right, hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the Ps. Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second, I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it. Ass-croft. ''Ass''-croft. The porno. (Amy: Isn't that your porno?) That's the porno I'm making. Ass-croft.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :I just got to add I think Ashcroft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen to all of us. I don't know if what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election. We're fucked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :Now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with that guy. (Amy: Well of course it's permanent.) Ass-croft is an ass-fucker. Right. I don't have- I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Right, he appointed him. He appointed all the losers. As Ashcroft lost elections, Senator in Michigan, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Abraham Spence Abraham] lost fuckin' election gets appointed head of the Department of Energy...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :Here, it's playing right now. I can't turn it down, oh no. I'm going to stop this. See that was Ass-croft. ''(laughing)'' Sorry, go ahead Doug, I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine. Ass-croft was singing. Though the world stands still an Ass-croft sings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :Ass-croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing as the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :Who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :Fucking hanging with Doug is like, hanging with the goddamn teacher. Yaknow, my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So he could feel smarter than his friends. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :On the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, nice neighborhood, Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ass-croft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit 9/11?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> == What is the show's name? ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Want to hear it right now? (Doug: Go ahead). We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs of, Fate? (Doug: Filth!) Filth.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :The Alphabet Show.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :The Alphabet Show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while. Amy's calling it The Alphabet Show. Doug has the name the ABCs of Filth. (Amy: Fuckery.) Fuckery. and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word, Fuckery isn't it? (Amy: Well, you better-)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :I dunno.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :Bitch motherfucker, bitch, Fuckery is my word, motherfucker. '''My''' word, motherfucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :I've been using dumb fuckery, butt fuckery, to describe tomfoolery and you know, grab-ass, what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tit. When '''I''' was sucking your mama's tit. Before you were around I've been using fuckery, motherfucker. Alright. (Amy: This is all fuckery.) Yeah, that's my name of the show - Pure Fuckery. Letter fuckery, something. Okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you ''ash''-holes. ''[pause]'' Is it playing, Doug? Doug, hello? (Doug: I don't know.) <br /> <br /> ''[music suddenly blares full volume, John Ashcroft singing the single word, &quot;Eagle&quot;]''<br /> <br /> All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by show Z, we're gonna have this shit taken care of.<br /> <br /> == song break ==<br /> ''song: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwVr0ljLkfA John Ashcroft - Let the Eagle Soar]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :You've got to love the fucking, John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:52<br /> :''(indistinctly)'' God loves him.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :Yeah, that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy. (Amy: Oh yeah.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :You say he sung that at a press conference?<br /> <br /> == Addiction ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :Yeah. You know the better A, looking at my list of A's, is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. (Shane: Not at all?) Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pussy. (Doug: Alright. ''(chortles)'')<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of pussy and he's very obsessed. There's nothing wrong with that, it's good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, it can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking empire by now. (Shane: Right?) If I didn't have the- (Shane: Right. I mean, he has-) -it's too much fucking time. (Amy: An empire? ''(laughs)'') I would!<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 9/11 show last year, on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first. (Doug: That's right.) Yeah, you cunts listening, we're history bitch. You're talking to Bren ''(sic)'' fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Ross Betsy Ross] over here. We're history.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolley_Madison Dolley Madison].<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolley Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You were driving at something with that? (Shane: I was?) Yeah. (Shane: What?) Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have, as you can see from my rotund build, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any, motherfucker, and I'm going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it, or is he's involved in the pipe trade - glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like $5-$10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the resin. And I mean, Amy freaks out because I am a real fucking- I've got a real bad addiction to weed. And it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become, I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something and there's this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because ''(yelling)'' &quot;I fucking need these things. cocaine, alcohol, I need these things! I need these things!&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel, dude! ''(yelling louder)'' I fucking need these things! I need these things. ''(more quietly)'' Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. An addiction. (Shane: Well, you need-) Sounds like fun. (Shane: Yeah. Well-) Sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You know what it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a- It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship, feed off each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :And it's more than the ritual of it smoking, Amy talked about the ritual of smoking, just setting up the bong and...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a dull blade. (Shane: No.) Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :You're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for W.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that, we only got five minutes left. How long is your song? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :Two minutes and 44 seconds.<br /> <br /> == Shane's hot take on addiction ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :So we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You- that's the only time it's bad. The addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for a 24 hour show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without, you know. That it's- it's fun when you have you know, those things to comfort you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. (Shane: What do you mean, when you look at me being addicted?) Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call, says &quot;Come on over.&quot; All right. (Amy: The booty call?) Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> == Shane breaks the &quot;guy code&quot;==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :''(laughing)'' Hear, that ladies? That's Doug Ed - Pussy, on call. Or, on call dick. I dunno. What's your website? Again? Dysgenics? (Doug:Yeah.) Ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy code. Oh! Oh, that was your brother. I'm sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. ''(all laugh)'' But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. (Amy: It is.) For me, it's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint, you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an addict until it's gone. When it's gone, you seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say &quot;I could use the fucking weed right now.&quot; (Amy: Sure.) &quot;I can fucking use a joint&quot; or sometimes-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :I've said exactly that, sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man, I really want to-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :Yell, get on your knees. ''(yelling)'' &quot;I need these things!&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :You know what, I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know, everyone I've been surrounded with is an addict. So I've never been addicted to anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :For a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for eye pain. But when the pain went away I stopped smoking it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :It was a good medicine for you. (Doug: Yeah.) Well, addictions get bad because you really need so much. I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke it. If I get an eighth, I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm a grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore. And I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week. You know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :Oh God, she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now, she's gonna call-, These are-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :Oh, we didn't cover abuse! The other A word.<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. (Amy: Ah well, it was a good try.) Well, what's the name of the song (Amy: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsA3d4oNQoE Public Assistance.]) We'll play that for P. (Amy: Pee?) ''(laughter)'' We'll play it for P so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> == Amy and Doug victim-blaming ==<br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :''(laughing)'' Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot one to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's- goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes your dick gets hard when you're beating on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit. It shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D, domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink, my dick. My dork (Amy: The problem with-) Maybe I could talk about that for my hog.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> : The problem with abuse though is they'll treat the victims- (Shane: You got 20 seconds.) they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are battered.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :''(interrupting)'' Goodbye everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy. (Amy: See you.) Thank you. (Amy: Sorry.) Dysgenics.com, WhoreOfHorror.com and EvilNow.com MikeHuntIsOnFire.com and ThreeRingRadio.com . Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week, B. ''(timer beeps)'' That was great. (Doug: Yeah. It was good.) Yeah it will, I think it's gonna go great.<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> 00:02 '''Cookie Monster canned audio '''<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> 01:24 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on Mike Hunt on Fire or Evil Now.com Mike Hunt on Fire.com, uh, Club Hate.com, Three Ring Radio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. The Whore Of Horror.com. (Amy Bugbee: That's me.) And our... acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug Miseecko- no, he's a good- I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> 02:04 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> 02:05 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> Mesi- Misseek? Oh- You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So, that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner. (Laughs)<br /> <br /> 02:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> 02:19 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> 02:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> 02:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner! It's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does Dysgenics.com. He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds worth of reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> 02:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You know, I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> 02:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss &quot;the A show&quot;, go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> 03:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :A is for &quot;addiction&quot;. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> 03:05 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> 03:06 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Cuz, I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> 03:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family, &quot;You know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies.&quot; They're good though. That's a tested- that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my... Well, I'm asking for it. But you know—<br /> <br /> 03:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :But they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> <br /> 03:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 03:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know about that, partner.<br /> <br /> 04:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> 04:01 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking- I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> 04:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> 04:08 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> 04:10 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 04:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though— (Doug Misicko: All right.) —before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> 04:22 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. (Shane Bugbee: Come on.) I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> 04:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> 04:38 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> 04:40 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> 04:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> ==Laci Peterson Cookies==<br /> 04:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> 04:53 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Lavender Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> 04:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> 04:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> 05:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> 05:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> 05:02 '''Amy Bugbeee '''<br /> :It's her ''favorite'' cookie. <br /> <br /> 05:03 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Laci- Okay, here's the deal with the Laci Peterson ''lavender'' cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation-<br /> <br /> 05:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered- (Shane Bugbee: Right.) -and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> 05:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> 05:36 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> 05:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Anencephalic.&quot;<br /> <br /> 05:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :(Laughs) But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death, they would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- (Doug Misicko: Oh.) -with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her— D- uh, er, killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent ah— Connor! That's the kid's name. Ah, &quot;C&quot;. Yeah, Doug, you mixed me, you mixed me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. (Doug Misicko: How'd I do that?) You explained who Laci Peterson was.<br /> <br /> 06:25 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> ==Cannibalism==<br /> 06:26 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 06:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you- I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. You have a healthy lifestyle. So ''that'' kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> 06:52 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> 06:54 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> 06:55 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though, at least.<br /> <br /> 07:01 '''Shane Bugbee''':<br /> Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000, man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> 07:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> 07:16 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> 07:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Long pork&quot;? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> 07:22 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> 07:22 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> 07:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> 07:34 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 07:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect ''and'' hate. <br /> <br /> 07:42 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> 07:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> 07:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at, I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people ''no problem'' and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> 08:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be Y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought &quot;Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism.&quot; You know?<br /> <br /> 08:19 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to... I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think- I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I... I don't know.<br /> <br /> 08:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad#Effect_on_the_city Stalingrad]'' (sic). During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, there's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> 08:54 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 08:54 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti-cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> ==Chicago Cop Stories about Cannibalism in the Projects==<br /> 09:00 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say &quot;Oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.&quot; And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'— [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%E2%80%93Green_Homes Cabrini-Green]. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of ''Candyman'', Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in &quot;C&quot; the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini-Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> 09:34 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> 09:37 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Oooooh, I'm getting spooked by C... Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects, and they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub, and they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies, and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> 10:01 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the— (Amy Bugbee: ''Now''.) —the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The— (Amy Bugbee: The Historical Society?) —Historical Society. And you can- this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude, and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the ''real''... keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not- I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true, to the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just- that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their... own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> 10:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Waste not, want not.&quot; <br /> <br /> 10:53 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> ==Cannibalism, Chikatilo, Donner Party==<br /> 10:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo Chikatilo]. Cannibal. C.<br /> <br /> 10:56 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> 10:57 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 11:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing, and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news, and I was spray painting all over the town. &quot;Chikatilo&quot;, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> 11:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> 11:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Communism&quot;! C. &quot;Chikatilo&quot;. C. &quot;Cannibalism&quot;. We are &quot;C motherfuckers&quot;. CCCP.<br /> <br /> 11:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Pumping out all the Cs.<br /> <br /> 11:23 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner Park before but that's D. But they were cannibals!<br /> <br /> 11:28 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Cannibals! They- cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner Park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> 11:34 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner Party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane, and he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know. (Laughs.)<br /> <br /> 12:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> 12:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> 12:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> 12:22 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> 12:27 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> 12:29 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Cemetery&quot;. C.<br /> <br /> 12:31 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> 12:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> ==Cunt==<br /> 12:35 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> My favorite &quot;C&quot; is &quot;cunt&quot; and I just love saying &quot;cunt&quot;. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think ''Sex and the City'' and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six— Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a &quot;cunt-tree&quot; in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever- next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets- they had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. (Amy Bugbee: Oh that's right.) And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the c-word was the way I said &quot;Oh the Cs though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.&quot;<br /> <br /> 13:28 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> 13:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> 13:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You know, a book was put out called ''Cunt''. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> 13:41 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. (Doug Misicko: All right, I mean, right.) I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> 13:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's great. <br /> <br /> 13:49 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :When my dad was also-<br /> <br /> 13:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna- every time a C-word is gonna come up, any word. &quot;You know, there was a book called ''Demented Eggs''. You know book-&quot; You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus. (Shane Bugbee :Oh!) They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :They don’t though! Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about- (Shane Bugbee: No, they don’t!) :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :We’re talking &quot;Coloreds&quot; at the letter C. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really Black neighbor with a Black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. &quot;Heyyy,&quot; and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 ounces to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-<br /> <br /> 14:43 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :He was the white chap. C.<br /> <br /> 14:44 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me &quot;Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. But us Black- us ''niggas'',&quot; as he said-- &quot;niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy.&quot; And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and &quot;We don't eat pussy, motherfucker.&quot; That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway-<br /> <br /> ==Crispy Critters==<br /> 15:13 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :When my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them &quot;crispy critters&quot;. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> 15:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her ''cornflakes''— &quot;C&quot; — and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about &quot;crispy critters&quot; — &quot;C&quot; again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore... of horror.<br /> <br /> 15:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus? (Shane Bugbee: Me?) Yeah.<br /> <br /> 15:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I couldn't- I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> 15:56 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :You couldn't ''chow'' on that. <br /> <br /> 15:57 '''Shane Bugbee ''''<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it, fondly-<br /> <br /> 16:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> 16:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I was- I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> 16:04 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> 16:05 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> ==Cockroaches==<br /> 16:08 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just a little afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole Black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time— ''cockroaches''. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement-basement. It was like a half built basement? And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light— in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the ''whole wall'' was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the coloreds- cockroaches — all 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day... Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said &quot;colored&quot; the wrong way. Did I say &quot;nigger&quot; and not &quot;nigga&quot;? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye. (Amy Bugbee: I burped. Excuse me.) Oh burped. B. That was ''last'' show Amy — but the wall moving — and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr— and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> 17:45 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> 17:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 17:48 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 17:49 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> 17:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them ''bolted''.<br /> <br /> 18:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> 18:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but-<br /> <br /> 18:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat 'em too.<br /> <br /> 18:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for— That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires, and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm-<br /> <br /> 18:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd just ''snack''. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> 18:33 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I'd probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> 18:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> 18:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> 18:47 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> 18:49 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. (Doug Misicko: Mmm.) Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> 19:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> 19:06 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> 19:07 '''Doug Bugbee '''<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the &quot;C&quot;.<br /> <br /> 19:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. &quot;C&quot;, bitch. <br /> <br /> 19:20 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> 19:21 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> 19:28 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. C. Double &quot;C&quot;. And the song is &quot;Come Down Here&quot;. Another &quot;C&quot;. <br /> <br /> 19:36 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> 19:36 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I liked The ''Cocks'' better<br /> <br /> 19:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolting_Cocks RevCo's] great. <br /> <br /> 19:39 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :That starts with &quot;R&quot;.<br /> <br /> 19:40 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> 19:40 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu-<br /> <br /> 19:43 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> 19:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> 19:48 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We're low on the Rs, okay?<br /> <br /> 19:52 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes, and she took over when we did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, record player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes. Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> 20:10 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Come Down Here&quot;.<br /> <br /> 20:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow, &quot;cunnilingus&quot;. I got- we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> 20:20 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> 20:23 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> ==Chris Connelly song break==<br /> 20:24 '''Canned Audio'''<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Connelly_(musician)#Solo_discography Come Down Here] by Chris Connelly&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :beyond the softward silence shadows midnight mind<br /> :the warmth appeared in seconds like the dark<br /> :a trail of swollen fruit leads to a higher kind<br /> :lips and lovers' limbs begin to part<br /> :search and you shall find<br /> :what you want take what's mine<br /> :breathe in the air<br /> :of the hour we were there<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> :I disappeared between you many times before<br /> :and every single time I never leave<br /> :awake with you and stranded on another shore<br /> :too dreamlike and delirious to believe<br /> :bring in the night<br /> :and the moon and the light<br /> :shake off the day<br /> :you were born and I'll stay<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> :close to the skin<br /> :shut your eyes we begin<br /> :fall like a leaf<br /> :onto me in your sleep<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Laci Peterson Cookie Recipe==<br /> 25:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for &quot;B&quot;. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> 26:24 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :All right. It's the Laci Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's ''bound'' to have it. All right.<br /> <br /> * 5/8th cup butter<br /> * a half cup sugar<br /> * one egg<br /> * a tablespoon of lavender flowers<br /> * one and a half cups all-purpose flour<br /> * And sugar, powdered sugar<br /> * And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. <br /> <br /> :So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they ''gotta'' get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. <br /> :<br /> :Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> 27:39 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> 27:41 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> 27:43 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> 27:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me-<br /> <br /> 27:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :It wasn't enough, at least.<br /> <br /> 27:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial. And you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. &quot;C&quot; for condolence. This is the &quot;Alphabet Show&quot;, the &quot;ABCs of Filth&quot;, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evil Now.com.<br /> <br /> 28:21 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I'm Amy from Whore Of Horror.com, and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> 28:26 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :And this is Doug from Dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> 28:28 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug Mesner... with two Zs.<br /> <br /> 28:32 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> 28:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :(Laughs) Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> 28:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We never even got to ''converts''.<br /> <br /> 28:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? (Amy Bugbee: Somebody.) Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot ''Christians''. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play- I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, ''cunts'', cocksuckers...<br /> <br /> ==Cocaine==<br /> 29:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> 29:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh! I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> 29:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story, too.<br /> <br /> 29:18 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> 29:28 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Oh, I guess it is.<br /> <br /> 29:29 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like.<br /> <br /> 29:32 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. (Doug Misicko: I did have a friend.) I had a friend that gave me that today. Said, &quot;Hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs.&quot; Amy. I think in a past life was a coke whore. Because she's like, &quot;I'll take that motherfucker.&quot;<br /> <br /> 29:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was never a ''coke'' whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> 29:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for ''dickhead'' and ''dumb''. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now. We're just gonna start banging them out you know so we're gonna Amy... a couple of seconds, and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [recording: ABCs of the Bible]<br /> <br /> :I’m gonna hide God’s Word<br /> :In my heart, it’s a lamp unto my feet<br /> :I’m gonna read God’s Word<br /> :Every day it’s my food, my bread and meat<br /> :I’m - (skips) <br /> :-truth of the Bible<br /> :I’m gonna open my eyes I’m gonna memorize<br /> : <br /> :A!<br /> :All have sinned and come short of the glory of God<br /> :Romans 3:23<br /> :<br /> :B!<br /> :Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved<br /> :Acts 16:31<br /> <br /> 00:34 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :(Interrupting, apparently not realizing mics are on) You gotta love this, Doug. Doug? I'm calling you. The ABCs of the Bible. (Doug Misicko: OK.) Yeah, this is the good stuff. <br /> <br /> (Unintelligible talk over remainder of song continues.)<br /> <br /> 02:01 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Okay, we're gonna stop that song, it sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy, (Amy: Hello) and Doug. (Doug Misicko: Right.) We're working on- it seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter. This week, or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows will play them. But this show is &quot;D&quot;. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows A, B and C- you missed Anal. Some good anal stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby stories, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. Who started last time? C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies, A was anal... (Amy Bugbee: I think Doug has to start D). Oh, you're right. I forgot we have &quot;Doug&quot; and the D. Dick-headed Doug is his technical nickname 'round here.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :It's so it's my letter. (Shane: Yeah.) God damn right. (Shane Bugbee: Well, I got G.) Right. Right, right. (Shane Bugbee: Damn it.) Damn right. So I got another highfalutin' word like I had for A (Shane Bugbee: You're such a dick.) But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? (Doug: I don't know! I know these words.) Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call, &quot;Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago?&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :And believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I- I have this in my head. Anyway.<br /> <br /> 03:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you mean &quot;believe&quot;...? What the fuck-how the fuck are you-<br /> <br /> 03:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Who do you think we are?<br /> <br /> 03:51 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> : *laughs* Well I didn't ''consult'' a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You know what for later? We're going to have for I- We're going to ''insert'' a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko tries to tell stolen skull story, misunderstands defenestration==<br /> 04:03 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Anyways, [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defenestration defenestration] is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt (Shane Bugbee: What is defenes- what the fuck?) Defenestration is when you jump out of a window. (Shane Bugbee: Why can't you just say jump out of the window? Or crazy motherfucker?) Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say- if you say it in one word. &quot;He died of defenestration.&quot;<br /> <br /> 04:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> : Where did you find out about this word?<br /> <br /> 04:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :They never say how people died in obituaries.<br /> <br /> 04:34 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But if you ''were'' gonna write an obituary- (Shane Bugbee: No, no.) Perhaps it'd be a eulogy?<br /> <br /> 04:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :''You''! If ''you'' were gonna write an obituary. Where did you find out about this word though? Really, Doug.<br /> <br /> 04:43 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. (<br /> <br /> 04:44 '''Shane Bugbee''' <br /> :(shouting) You know! You know.<br /> <br /> 04:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know, Doug reads dick-, the dictionary while he's sitting around-<br /> <br /> 04:48 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I know Doug knows dick (Doug Misicko: It sounds smart.) but uh-<br /> <br /> 04:52 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Anyways, he steals a skull out of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs_of_Paris a crypt in France], and he crotches it to get out. And it was one of those- (Shane Bugbee: Who is this now? This is a story about your friend-) Yeah, the drunken [Murphy]- <br /> <br /> 05:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Who jumped out of a window? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, but-) -and his defenestration?<br /> <br /> 05:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> Yeah, yeah. But he had this skull, and then at night- (Shane Bugbee: Where is this at?) This is in France, he went to France, and he figured I'd like this skull, but it's on a crypt tour, so he has to crotch it. A fucking skull. You know? As you know- they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> 05:22 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And this is a drunk. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) That's the drunk, we drew on his- D, for drunk. We ''drew'' on his face with markers when he passed out (Doug Misicko: Yeah, he passed out, right-) and he's a total ''dick''. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the defenes- (Doug Misicko: Defenestration.) Ptthptpththpth. Yeah.<br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah. Anyways, he got ''roaring'' drunk that night in France. (Shane Bugbee: What a dick.) And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two-story window.<br /> <br /> 05:51 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And where's he from? (Doug Misicko: Detroit.) Wow, he's got the four Ds going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with dick, drunk, defeneration ''(sic)'', Detroit.<br /> <br /> 06:02 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Alright, and right. I, too, am from Detroit. So it stands to reason. <br /> <br /> 06:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko hates Detroit==<br /> 06:06 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug from Detroit. <br /> <br /> 06:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 06:09 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :And it's every bit as foul as they say it is. (Shane Bugbee: Detroit?) Oh, fuck yeah. It was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. Full swing. (Shane Bugbee: Oh, another D!) Yeah they burn they burn that city down, every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons won, but, you were just telling me — I didn't even hear the news — nine people got shot...<br /> <br /> 06:34 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> 06:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah! It was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burn down-<br /> <br /> 06:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Maybe eight years ago, huh? (Doug Misicko: It was a you know-) When me and Amy was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit and there was shit that was ''on fire''. And it wasn't no Devil's Night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something and fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> 06:56 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Or shit was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once, and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be ''nothing'' left to burn in this fucking place? (Shane Bugbee: And it's not just Devil's Night.) Oh, no. It is like arson capital? It's where it's at. I mean- (Shane Bugbee: Fucking jeez.) But sometimes, I've heard different stories. I've heard sometimes it's people collecting, I don't know, like the landlord protect- you know, collecting property value somehow by burning his place down. or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shit on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> 07:38 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Hey, I saw the Eminem ''8 Mile'' movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> 07:41 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> 07:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> 07:44 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> 07:51 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the coloreds?<br /> <br /> 07:54 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, the place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Fuck it. We should carpet-bomb it and start again.<br /> <br /> ==Amy Bugbee on Death==<br /> 08:00 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What's your D word, Amy? Or D- you got a neat thing to throw out there D-<br /> <br /> 08:05 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Death, drugs, doom and Dennis doll(?)<br /> <br /> 08:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over &quot;drugs&quot; with &quot;addiction&quot;. So why don't you do &quot;death&quot;? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website Whore Of Horror.com. There's some really fucked up st- Amy's tales of woe on there, are some really fucked up stories, and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, are the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know- I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shit's- that she's in the real. Amy lives in the real man, (Amy Bugbee: &quot;In the now,&quot; as Charlie says.) I say in &quot;the real.&quot; All right, motherfucker, don't correct ''me''. Corrections on, C, that's the deal, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay? Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was- slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped on 'till their brains popped out of the top-<br /> <br /> 09:28 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex-boyfriend?<br /> <br /> 09:31 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how big her friends are what they do. They better kill me or I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright.<br /> <br /> 09:49 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book: &quot;Dead People I Used To Know&quot;-<br /> <br /> 09:55 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Great story. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea for a book! (Amy Bugbee: because, I know somebody-) It's gonna get ''stolen'' now.<br /> <br /> 10:02 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Do you think people know enough dead people to fill a book?<br /> <br /> 10:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :They'll lie. It's some cunt like Jim Goad(?)'ll do his still- (mocking voice) &quot;Dead People I Used to Know&quot;, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that C for cunt.<br /> <br /> 10:15 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh, I gotta good one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because I did a search-<br /> <br /> 10:20 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Ooh book story, I'm sorry to interrupt- &quot;Dead People I Used To Know&quot;, that's a book Amy's going to work on. (Amy Bugbee: I'm working on it.) Yeah, right. She's working. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> 10:34 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple hundred. I probably know quite a few dead people.<br /> <br /> 10:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :A couple hundred is exaggeration. (Amy Bugbee: Okay, a hundred.) I mean, Amy does know- how many how many of your girlfriends have ended up in the lake over here? (Amy Bugbee: A couple.) two or three right (Amy Bugbee: Couple yeah, in Wolf Lake.) No shit man, we'll read a paper or story. There'll be something on the news. There was a girl found up in the lake, Amy will go, &quot;I bet you that's one of my friends&quot;. And sure as shit, it is. This is the killing fields out here. That's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calumet_City,_Illinois Cal City], the Calumet Region. (Amy Bugbee: Right. Just south of Chicago.) So talk to me, Amy. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> ==Murder of Ernest Graves by Eddie Niksich==<br /> 11:07 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, we recently, Shane had a friend over from Serial Killer Central. And we were talking about- (Shane Bugbee: [http://wagthegonzo.blogspot.com/2010/04/interview-with-joe-hiles-webmaster-of.html SK Central.com].) -SK Central.com. (Shane Bugbee: Joe [Hiles]!) And we were talking about serial killers in this area, and there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid, I knew this family, the Niksich family. In fact, I dated the youngest Niksich in junior high. But the ''oldest'' one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew Pee Wee, who was like this hat guy who never went to school ''ever'' in his entire life — I think he dropped out in second grade — and he owed Eddie Niksich and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Niksich, his friend, and his friend's dad, [https://law.justia.com/cases/indiana/supreme-court/1992/45s00-9012-dp-812-4.html kill Pee Wee] and the guy ''he's'' with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, &quot;Hey, how you doing?&quot; They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend (Shane Bugbee: Who is this now? The dead friend is Pee Wee?) Pee Wee Graves. Fitting name, huh?<br /> <br /> 12:29 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> 12:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest Graves, is his real name. (Shane Bugbee: Hm, that's cool.) I always knew him as &quot;Pee Wee&quot;, and when they got caught, of course — you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk — of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight- eight girls and dumped him in Powderhorn Lake. So he turned out to be a serial killer. (Shane: Fu-ucked up. ''Death''.)<br /> <br /> 12:59 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed, not the serial killer<br /> <br /> 13:03 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I knew two of them. I knew Eddie Niksich one of the killers. And I knew &quot;Pee Wee&quot; the kill-ee, as it were.<br /> <br /> 13:11 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> 13:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Man, that's funny- (exhale) You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for ''that'' one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> 13:25 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I know, you put a Dirty Sanchez on both of us. (All laugh)<br /> <br /> 13:29 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths. I saw- I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was, you know. Oh! (Doug Misicko:Really?) As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home, so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I... poke at the- You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face- I'd like poke the cheek, and I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it cracked it all cracked apart. And I ran- I run up the stairs, &quot;Wuuuuh!&quot;<br /> <br /> 14:14 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Cracked how, like the makeup coming off?<br /> <br /> 14:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Right, right. Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked. I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like, &quot;Oh my god!&quot;, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years, seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and- I'll talk more about the funeral home in F, in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the ''makeup''. It was so much makeup caked on there. That that cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My uncle's like, &quot;What happened Who touched-&quot; you know, &quot;Eho did that?&quot; And you know, I said I ran into him with the flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and when it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover ''[https://chicagoreader.com/news-politics/shocks-to-the-system/ The Reader]'' and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever, they call my parents to say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's- I can't top Amy's death stories.<br /> <br /> ==Death of Dana Plato==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :With you. There's death D. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Plato Dana Plato].<br /> <br /> 15:19 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, Dana P- why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But-<br /> <br /> 15:24 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 15:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that [https://www.discogs.com/release/10817247-Dana-Platos-Last-Breath-Dana-Platos-Last-Breath book and CD I did], and I left it behind. That's why I did that book, and CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably- took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people- Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking tens of thousands of dollars from ''Extra'' and the ''National Enquirer'' and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job, so when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I- What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question? It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to befriend someone, and then- and then- I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential, great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had- she started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her, and she really wanted to live that life, and she's full of that and had potential to do something cool, and do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life, so I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? (Doug Misicko: No.) Do you want to know about that. I mean-<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never- I didn't really know ''her'' I didn't you know, I don't know what she- I've never seen anything she was in or...before my time, I guess.<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, yes I'm a little older than you, I grew up watching Dana Plato on TV, and she was about- probably a little older than older than me. But she was (Amy Bugbee: On &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;) -on &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;. And I'd seen that it was like a (Amy Bugbee: D.) -pre pre-pubescent type of, D, yeah, &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;, right. It was a pre-pubescent type of love affair- TV love affair. I think I ''whacked off'' to her one of the first ''whack offs'' I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. (laughs) And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring her up to Chicago to get her top off on the Internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book, a coffee table book of memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it- but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as well.<br /> <br /> ==Dirty Sanchez==<br /> 18:20 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato, that I know of, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in ''her'' butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger in ''your own ass'' and then smear it across her upper lip? Or does it matter?<br /> <br /> 18:45 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you asking me?<br /> <br /> 18:46 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah I'm asking you, I thought you were the Dirty Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> 18:49 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that- I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a ''prostate'' rub once in a while has nothing to do with humiliation and degradation- degradation or you know... gross. Can you imagine-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Oh I thought it was a mixed drink. &quot;Dirty Sanchez.&quot;<br /> <br /> 19:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I would imagine a Dirty Sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> 19:15 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it...?<br /> <br /> 19:22 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh on A or something like that? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, further back.) yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) You know &quot;serve and protect&quot;, man, you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rubbing under your nose.<br /> <br /> 19:39 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> 19:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah... What song we playing, Amy? You gave me a song here. What is it?<br /> <br /> 19:46 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Warzau Die Warzau].<br /> <br /> 19:48 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any Venom in the mix? (Amy Bugbee: for V!) All right, well- Amy a good DJ, I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say- Die Warzau all you know-<br /> <br /> 20:00 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another &quot;D&quot; song for E because I got nothing for E (Shane Bugbee: Eazy-E!) Oh there we go!<br /> <br /> <br /> 20:05 '''Shane Bugbee  ''' <br /> :Easy-motherfucking-E! E that's what I got when I look flip on page E it says Ed the Creep and E- Easy-motherfucking-E and of course my favorite subject Eagle. Here, Die Warzau a good song I think right? Alright, enjoy the song. Kiddo.<br /> <br /> ==Die Warzau song break==<br /> 20:30<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_(Die_Warzau_album) &quot;Liberated&quot;] by Die Warzau&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :Take me to the high spaces<br /> :White horses and blue gods<br /> :Let them be like children again<br /> :Blisters on my hands<br /> :Back is broken<br /> :Why can't I let go let it go<br /> :<br /> :Liberated - one mind one body soul<br /> :Liberated - turn the universal merry go round<br /> :I'm tired and I can't see<br /> :Why the great blue current won't carry me carry me away<br /> :When I'm tired and I can't sleep<br /> :And the fear is all I know<br /> :Open up your arms for me<br /> :Come to take me home<br /> :<br /> :Liberated - one mind one body soul<br /> :Liberated - turn the universal merry-go-round<br /> :I'm tired and I can't see<br /> :Why the great blue current won't carry me carry me away<br /> :<br /> :Take me from this body<br /> :I hate this flesh I'm in<br /> :Come and recreate me again<br /> :Take my breath and make the wind<br /> :My bones are dirt again<br /> :I am everything<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Shane Bugbee's Door Story==<br /> 25:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yo! Song ended pretty... abruptly. Let's go, we're- that was Chris Connolly, was it? Or no. (Doug Misicko and Amy Bugbee, together: Die Warzau). They sound the fucking same to me... ''gay'' and Doug ''loves them''. And that the letter is D, and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing, where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter.<br /> <br /> 26:09'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :You know what I wanted to ask you too? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;D&quot;.) I don't know if you'll be able to cover it in time. The fucking door you had a story, somebody's trying to burst- bust down your door.<br /> <br /> 26:20 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :We'll- use that for another one, break-in, or robbery or something like that break- ah fuck. (Doug Misicko: Ehhh.) I was gonna say &quot;dad&quot;, but I can't- I don't know, D, door? I'll go with door. Fuck it. Door. Amy? You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door? Remember? Doug wanted to talk about it? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home of the fucking asshole, cunt, dirtiest pot,dirty — D — ''dickhead'' politicians. They don't do anything here- anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once, and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. I come home, talk to Amy about it. And she says, &quot;Oh yeah, the guy was creepy.&quot; You know he's over here, over there. I shut the door, lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuckin' and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the door and go, &quot;The fuck do you need?&quot; And he goes &quot;blah blah blah,&quot; you know like he was &quot;I-I- was looking for some kids&quot;. He walks away while I call the fucking cops. Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond, dickhead cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King#1991_police_assault_in_Los_Angeles Rodney-fucking-King]. It was- it was great to see because the asshole tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass, and the guy fought back a lot. So there's &quot;the door story&quot;. How do you like that door? There in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now.<br /> <br /> 28:05 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, good for the winter. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> 28:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, I have a ''hole'' in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat here, I wonder why I got a walking case of pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom, and then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. (Doug Misicko: So you get this breeze from the doors.) Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D- boring. I wanted to say &quot;dad&quot;, or my brother &quot;Derek&quot; or one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up, my real like my father was my father but my ''dad'' was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Dahl Steve Dahl]. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a Dahl.com - D A H L - you'll see. He's the guy who did- oh! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night Disco Demolition]. He's the guy who ''did'' that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager, 10 years old or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco records. &quot;Disco sucks! Disco sucks!&quot; So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco, and he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there- everyone's smoking weed and- he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man(?) known as a DJ, but he's nationally known and all that. &quot;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wango_Tango_(song) Wango Tango]&quot; is playing, right, and Ted Nugent. Big speakersm and they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil Now.com. Amy?<br /> <br /> 29:33 '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy, Whore Of Horror.com<br /> <br /> 29:33 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Doug, Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked, we'll be playing some Eazy-E<br /> <br /> 29:40 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :No more industrial music till &quot;P&quot;.<br /> <br /> 29:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving- you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life, Amy. Whore Of Horror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some- ''[audio cuts out]''<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==Eazy-E Song Break==<br /> 17:36 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Muthaphuckkin_G%27s Real Muthaphuckkin G's] by Eazy-E&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> 00:00 '''[singer]'''<br /> :A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> 01:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah ABCs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth! Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug Misicko:: E!) Oh, I guess (Amy Bugbee: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter ''E''. And now we're on F. And this is a show- what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind - F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with &quot;fat&quot;. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E, Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about. Was good conversation. Amy, F. What do you have for F, I have I have my man &quot;Farrakhan&quot;. &quot;Fat&quot;, of course, that's, that's my middle name. &quot;Fucked up&quot; - I like to get, and &quot;failure&quot;. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. &quot;Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising.&quot; I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> 03:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> 03:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> 03:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> 03:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> 03:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> 03:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> 03:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> Would that be a &quot;Feud&quot;?<br /> <br /> 03:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like, &quot;Leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> 03:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit (Shane Bugbee: There's no reason.) - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> 04:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> ==Felching==<br /> 04:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> 04:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> 04:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is.<br /> <br /> 04:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug Misicko: All right). Isn't that it?<br /> <br /> 04:33 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> 04:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, and you would cum inside the ass, and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That well- I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...?<br /> <br /> 04:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> 05:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turn-on to people.<br /> <br /> 05:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing ''Clerks'' where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, &quot;What's a snowball?&quot; It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, &quot;oh, dude you've done that?&quot; You know, it's it was in ''Clerks''. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug Misicko: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on snowballing==<br /> 05:31 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth.<br /> <br /> 05:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> 05:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> 05:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first, you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> 05:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night, ''Bully'', and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug Misicko: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says &quot;Son, I have an electronics store for you,&quot; and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> 06:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> 06:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> 06:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> 06:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> 06:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> 06:24 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> 06:28 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right. That would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> 06:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ah ha! You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> 06:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra, I guess.<br /> <br /> 06:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy Bugbee: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> 06:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> 06:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter-fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter-fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whore Of Horror.com.<br /> <br /> 07:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> 07:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug Misicko: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug Misicko: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done, his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whore Of Horror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here. And I'm Shane, Evil Now.com Among other things, Michael, Mike Hunts On Fire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> 07:54 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Not much good. (Shane Bugbee: Not much good?) I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat, food, force, fiends, fuck, factories, fist fire, and fill.<br /> <br /> 08:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> 08:12 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced, either/or.<br /> <br /> 08:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> 08:19 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire stories==<br /> 08:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy Bugbee: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> 08:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother- this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policemen had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her. And I mean it's a closet, you know. You would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet, but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> 10:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> 10:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug Misicko: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> 11:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane Bugbee: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> 12:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> 12:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Ya know.<br /> <br /> 12:23 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> 12:25 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire- fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie ''Backdraft'' once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> 12:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> 12:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like, &quot;God, what the fuck is this?&quot; You know, and Amy's like, &quot;Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends.&quot; And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke. Crazy. Cra-zy man, crazy. <br /> <br /> ==Arsonists==<br /> 13:29 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> 13:32 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> 13:34 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist. They think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says, &quot;Well, he's probably a fireman. You know...&quot;<br /> <br /> 13:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> 14:03 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old- old news.<br /> <br /> 14:16 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane Bugbee: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> 14:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about &quot;food&quot; and &quot;fat&quot; these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have — not an addiction but as a definitely comfort — I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and ''good'' food. I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> 15:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> 15:35 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We actually have two. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_of_the_Nephilim Fields of the Nephilim] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_No_More Faith No More]?<br /> <br /> 15:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> 15:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim, I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug Misicko: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing...?<br /> <br /> 16:02 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right...[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton Mike Patton]?<br /> <br /> 16:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down, and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> 16:09 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :So if it was Mike Patton, Faith No More would've been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> 16:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim. Not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> 17:05 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCoy Carl McCoy].<br /> <br /> 17:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> 17:08 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Number eight, &quot;For Her Light&quot;. F.<br /> <br /> 17:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh look at you. &quot;For Her Light.&quot; (Song begings to play.) :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> ==Fields of the Nephilim Song Break==<br /> 17:14 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizium For Her Light] by Fields of the Nephilim&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> He said, how lonely you are<br /> Waiting at the Sunday Park<br /> I'll elude you I will lose you<br /> Existing we're no soul apart<br /> You stand, stand on a platform<br /> Your effigy dissolves in my hands<br /> When I feel like someone to lie on<br /> And I feel like someone to rely on<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> Illusions born of the air<br /> Something seems precious there<br /> I'll elude you I will lose you<br /> As rehearsal of my despair<br /> When I feel like someone to lie on<br /> And I feel like someone to die on<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> |}<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. <br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:25<br /> :A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. Happy, happy all are we. Now we learn ABCs. Now we learn our ABCs...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :You dumb fucking cunt. Hey, Doug.<br /> <br /> 01:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Yeah?<br /> <br /> 01:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> We're ''on'' now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. <br /> <br /> 01:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, you could sip your soda pop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:24<br /> Why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones... And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only- I always say is- what we call this yester- &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot; or &quot;Filth&quot; and &quot;The Alphabet Show&quot;? And it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour, we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind. And we say the letter &quot;G&quot;, we start talking about and trying to tell stories and ''trying'' to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to. So we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. ''Ayy-mee''.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Late to the studio. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> G to G for- I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:23<br /> For Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 02:25<br /> The shittiest shithole.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. *laughs* Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good party.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit ''thinks'' they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills, closed down steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talking, Amy. Tell us about Gary. Gary's your &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my &quot;G&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for G? Last night- Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to- find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the Gs or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G-spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Go, gas, gag, gaggle. I don't know. Gardening...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the G-spot. So.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :Have I found it? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee''' 03:38<br /> Of course. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> Really? &quot;Of course.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :We wouldn't still be married if you didn't. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :I don't know if I found it or not.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You should be told. You should be told these things. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''  03:50<br /> You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :We've talked about it in detail. I thought.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:54<br /> We did? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed, Amy. Without me. Uh-huh. And what is that with green? G. You smoke the green? Come on, Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh, Gregory Reed. We pray- we- Do we have his phone number?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self-appointed expert in occult crime. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 04:34<br /> Fuckface.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal, murdering thousands each year. (Second one there.) And we call him the other day and we're calling him on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad- (Hey, you might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day.) Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the supposed Satanists, this &quot;satanic cartel&quot;, as he called it, and we callrf his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :You're doing the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. *call goes to answering machine* Noooo. <br /> <br /> '''Greg Reed (Answering machine)'''05:34<br /> Hi, you've reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with ORCC. Please leave me a brief message with your name and number, and I'll get back to you. Thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> See, he calls himself a doctor. He's not a doctor. We found out he's a ''painter''.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :This is message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stockey. Location, my number is 219-931-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello? Alright, keep talking please, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregory Reed and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow-up response was to her follow-up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly is what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reed. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to- What's wrong, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's your note pad. It sounds good flying at your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> : Yeah, it sounds good. Gregory Reed then. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying, &quot;I can tell by your tone where this is going.&quot; And I had no tone, really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole- When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he- he lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or ten books that- that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> Yet he's a doctor. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> Yeah, he starts stuttering, he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :Well, he named off ''two'' after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bunk and another one was just a common occult bookshop staple called &quot;Black Magic&quot; by Cavendish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic &quot;cartel&quot;. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :Well, Gregory Reed is barely a G, so let's get on with the G for &quot;garbage&quot;. Anything else? Come on? It's boring.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Garbage.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> GG Allin. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> GG Allin, now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggests &quot;door&quot; for D and &quot;Gregory Reed&quot; for G. Gregory Reed being so fucking boring I'm falling asleep here... GG Allin, now that's cool. Where's my G- did we ever find my GG Allin CD?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :No, we never did find it. We found the case, but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that. Or bean dip and pretended it's shit. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, I'll go get the beans. <br /> <br /> ==GG Allin and sexual assault attempt==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, well, GG Allin was great. I did the- GG Allin, I got a GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Which one?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> About when you used to write to him and talk to him. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :Yeah, so I used to write to GG Allin and longtime ago I used to do a zine. And GG Allin- we were corresponding before he went to prison. And after he went to prison- you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call, and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the GG Allin Manifesto, I think it's called. The GG Allin Mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine ''Naked Aggression''. Originally, the- his mission statement. And the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about is- &quot;People. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me. They want to hang out with and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking burned, baby burned.&quot; And I always remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show. They had- he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, &quot;Hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out.&quot; And I said, &quot;Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man.&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 10:09<br /> That's goddamn right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 10:11<br /> Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark ''Fagula'' Hayner. And &quot;Fagula&quot; was his real name, too. And he had toured with GG Allin and did a video did some video, GG Allin. And he talked about the time his- it was funny, hetell me, &quot;why I hung out with GG Allin. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me.&quot; And I go, &quot;Well, tell me about it.&quot; He's like, &quot;Dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me, really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off,&quot; and he had his pants off, GG Allin was naked with a hard-on, fuckin' trying to rape Mark Haner. And it was really funny, like, &quot;What happened, Mark?&quot; And he looked- he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes? You know, they don't look you in the eye. Marks like, &quot;Well, I got out of there, of course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room.&quot; To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hole or something. Like, like, I think there was more than- I think his pants may have came down... And I didn't say he actually raped him. Because he did follow through with the rest of the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :What can you do though? I mean, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think- GG wasn't actually a big guy, was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any match for him, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :You don't have to be though. It's those crazy fucking skinny fucks like you got to worry about because they got nothing- They just go crazy. It's called &quot;retard strength.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rape me. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Wouldn't you? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retard strength. I think GG Allin and had retard strength from the get-go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :...I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. &quot;I want this. But he isn't- hasn't showered for days.&quot; That's torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :It's all fun and games till somebody starts throwing shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :Or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :Right. So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Yeah, right. I remember him touring and thinking, &quot;Huh, that might not be the show to attend.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Geeg. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :GG Allin. Or George- or George Michael.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Didn't the Secret Service visit you because of GG Allin?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story. That's why I asked which one. I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay, so I got the- I am, I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a Secret Service, and it was after GG Allin and wrote the &quot;Mission Statement&quot; for ''Naked Aggression''. He had also come up with a single- I think on the other one, but he has a single called &quot;Kill the President&quot;. And it is it was like, &quot;Kill the president fuck the pigs&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :Hey! that's a it's quite a concept. (Shane Bugbee: Right?) Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the Secret Service comes there to question me. And it was wild why- it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black. They had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, a kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped, and they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. I pop his trunk open, and this is before home computers now. I'm talking- this is before the big home-computer explosion. This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now. I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this. Rhere was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :Like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family [burden?] that they had the shit right there. And I was like, you know, it was- it was- it was there they had the tools, they had the tools to take you down right there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :Imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta magnetic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange, and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :That's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like national ID cards like they're used for now. Used- but they're not you know, used to identify- It was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you to to law enforcement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right? Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving, you get pulled over, you don't have any form of ID over a certain age, I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you, check- I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income [unintelligible] that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening? &quot;My Greek Wedding&quot;? I loved it. &quot;My Fat Greek Wedding&quot;? I'm fat, man. I love Greek openings- Are you talking about ass play? &quot;Greek&quot; as in ass play? I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was all those motherfuckers digging in each other's asses, [unintelligible] fucking 'em like fuckin' mad. I think-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :Well, that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends. (Shane Bugbee: What was that?) The definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :&quot;Wide.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :&quot;Gopher holin'.&quot; Ever hear it? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gopher hole&quot;?) Yeah, gopher holin'. And it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know you're gopher holin'. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole, you're gopher holin' on<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :I was just gonna say, is that one of your [https://web.archive.org/web/20210423054732/https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Doug%20Mesner accomplishments in the Urban Dictionary].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :I didn't- In fact, I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life. Putting in &quot;gopher hole&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Someday in a thousand years, all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster's soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :Instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be &quot;Doug&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :&quot;Gastronomic&quot;? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gastronomic&quot;? Speak up.) I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :Hmmm. Baking soda helps. Have you ever used baking soda and warm water?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :&quot;Worm water&quot;? What's that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> ''Warm'' water.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :You mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like a shot. (Crosstalk, Shane Bugbee and Amy Bugbee repeating &quot;warm&quot; and &quot;worm&quot;)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :It's that Gary, Indiana, accent. (Cross talk about smoking something from bag.)<br /> <br /> ==James Earl Ray's Brother==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :But baking soda and warm water will help my gas, like, better than everything, and you know who will agree with me on this? We hit it off famously after we said we [unintelligible] both you guys talking to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray James Earl Ray]'s brother on the phone.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :Nobody noticed you had gas yesterday. Yeah, I didn't know that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James Earl Ray's brother had- had we- we got along famously after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas problems.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :Yeah, that was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man. He was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James Earl Ray's funeral. You know, if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to- like to have done. And I regret not getting it do that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died, I called his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy ''accused'' of shooting Martin Luther King because I really didn't like Martin Luther King. I think he was [asking for it].<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother, and they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :We've been going on for hours about me. I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :And you brought up James Early Ray. I know that's not-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :You know as I look at you, I think &quot;gay&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Really?) Gay. Yes. I don't know why.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :No, James Earl Ray. Do you remember the stories-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :Amy brought up gay when she was looking at you the other night. She said, &quot;I just think gay.&quot; And now that's all I can think when I'm looking at Doug. Why do you why do you think &quot;gay&quot; when looking at Doug's eye?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :Hmm, I don't know. It must be [unintelligible] thing. Yeah. And the butterface discussions.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, it's the butterface discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :Yeah, and it says, &quot;James Earl Ray&quot; on it? You know it was some guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :You know it was. You know, they said it was a mistake (Shane Bugbee: Some fuckin' Klansman, fuckin' fucking with him.) No, no somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something. (Amy Bugbee: Or they smoked too much weed.) (Shane Bugbee: Amy, Amy...) Smoked the good one. The nugget-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :Thanks for bringing the fucking show [down]. (Amy Bugbee: Ohh nooo.) Now it's the Cheech and Chong Show. (Doug Misicko: The green.) So you're more fuckable- and I don't mean in the physical way. I could fuck with you more when you're stoned and I'm not. (Amy Bugbee: Are you playing GG Allin now or what?) Yeah, you want to play a song? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, we're not playing-) Which one? Well, we're playing &quot;Unrest&quot;, but we have a choice from here's some GG Allin this is off the CD ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks,_Faggots,_Drunks_%26_Junkies Freaks, Faggots, Drunks and Junkies]'', &quot;My Revenge&quot; (Amy Bugbee: Masterpiece.) Yeah, we can play &quot;My Revenge&quot;. &quot;Dope Money&quot;. &quot;Be My Fuckin' Whore&quot;. &quot;Suck My Ass It Smells&quot;. &quot;Dog Shit&quot;. &quot;Wild Riding&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :You have to play &quot;Suck My Ass It Smell&quot; in honor of Mark Gainers near-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ==Jeff Foxworthy Southern Alphabet routine==<br /> 00:01 '''Jeff Foxworthy, recording, with audience laughter  '''<br /> :-'Cause you see (C), it's about a friend of mine. He's from Dee-(D) troit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. 'e's (E) crazy. Why? Eff (F) you dare him to do something, he'll do it provided the money's right. Jee- (G)sus Christ, I remember the time we's in this pet store. We bet him a dollar he wouldn't bite the heads off one of them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he bit the head offa haitch (H) one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw up. I said, &quot;Jay (J), you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life.&quot; He said, &quot;That's O-K (K), I'm $3 richer too.&quot; And that was all that was important to him. 'ell (L), I remember one time, we's at this party, and we dared 'im (M) to pee ''in'' (N) the punchbowl. He did it. See, Jay can be a real ass-'oh (O) sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him 'cause he could pee (P) right on cue (Q). Are (R) you believing that shit? Cause if not you can kiss my 'ss (S). I guaran-damn-tee (T) you (U) it's true. ''(applause)'' I remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had Vee- (V) D... for $10. He said hell, if you'll ''double ya' '' (W) money... I'll make love to her brother. He would've done it too- ex-(X) cept we didn't have $20 between the six of us. Now why (Y) Jay did this shit, I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got ''zee- (Z) ro''. (Unknown speaker: This has been-) ''[audio cuts abruptly]''<br /> <br /> 02:25 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Doug, Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this Alphabet Show. I played Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck Alphabet.<br /> <br /> 02:38 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :That man is not funny.<br /> <br /> 02:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And it's really stupid. (Amy Bugbee: Oh really?) But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put &quot;ABC&quot; and &quot;alphabet&quot; and then whatever. But this is the &quot;ABCs of the Alphabet&quot; or the &quot;Alphabet of ABCs&quot; or the &quot;ABCs of Filth&quot; and, or, the &quot;Alphabet Show&quot;- whatever. We don't really have a name. It's a concept, and all our topic is, all we do is start this half hour Internet talk show with the- a ''letter'' and this week or not this week but this show is the letter &quot;H&quot;. Don't look at my Hs motherfucking jerk, you're a cheater. (Amy Bugbee: Good old H.)<br /> <br /> == Hot Carl ==<br /> 03:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :&quot;[https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hot%20carl Hot Carl].<br /> <br /> 03:20 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :God dude, don't talk about my name on the weekends, don't ever tell people what you call me on fucking Saturdays again. The- you know the mics are on, Doug?<br /> <br /> 03:29 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Okay, well there's- right okay I gave away your stage name.<br /> <br /> 03:34 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :(laughing) Hot Carl. (Shane Bugbee: Amy.)<br /> <br /> 03:37 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's when Doug shaves my chest, he- (laughing)<br /> <br /> 03:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Actually there's debate as to what a proper &quot;[https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hot%20Karl hot Carl]&quot; is.<br /> <br /> 03:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What is a hot Carl, and why are you all into the phil(?) stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> 03:48 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, you do have a hot Carl pin, don't you? <br /> <br /> 03:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> : I have all of them. It's like you- It's like you're ripping- (Doug Misicko: You have dirty Sanchez, you have felching...) It's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words are from my own fucking pins, and I don't like it.<br /> <br /> 03:57 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :All right, go ahead. You talk about- you talk about ''your'' hot Carl. (Shane Bugbee: What is &quot;hot Carl&quot;?) How do you give a hot Carl?<br /> <br /> 04:03 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Listen, I am a hot Carl. ''(all laughing)'' No, what is hot Carl? What is it?<br /> <br /> 04:07 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :&quot;Hot Carl&quot; 's a scat sex act. It's got to do with shit.<br /> <br /> 04:12 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What's with you, dude?<br /> <br /> 04:13 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot peppers?<br /> <br /> 04:14 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :See, that's the debate! The debate is: some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a &quot;Cleveland Steamer&quot;. Or as other people say a hot Carl is- is, got- Anyway you cut it, somebody's taking a shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody. ''(rustling noises)''<br /> <br /> 04:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. (Doug Misicko: And then you-) And then this is a letter H for &quot;high&quot;. I'm sorry, Doug.<br /> <br /> 04:41 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Well, okay.<br /> <br /> 04:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :You want to hit me? (Doug Misicko: No, no.) You getting mad? For interrupting you?<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Carl. (Shane Bugbee: Ah, dude.) Now it's when you- other people say it's when you ''leave'', and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. Uh, I'm leaving tomorrow, you know. (all laughing) My train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> 05:04 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment, and no one would own up to it. They all blamed the ''dog''.<br /> <br /> 05:12 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot Carl, performed on you didn't you.<br /> <br /> 05:18 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill, and it was a second-story apartment. So...<br /> <br /> 05:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :That's- that's hot. As Paris Hilton and Nicole Richards would say, &quot;That's hot&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Doug Misicko taking a shit on a neighbor's doorstep ==<br /> 05:27 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I shit at a neighbor's doorstep before. (Amy Bugbee: Really?) I lived in like this apartment complex, one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings. That type. I was working late night shifts, and this person playing music very loud all day, and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6 a.m., you know?<br /> <br /> 05:47 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I don't understand were you beating on the wall just on a different time. Or did you beat on a wall ''because'' they played well (Doug Misicko: ''Because'' they're playing music.)<br /> <br /> 05:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Because they play loud music, I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. The Odd Couple.<br /> <br /> 06:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I shit on their doorstep and the loud music ''did'' stop. I think they put two and two together. ''(distant train noise)'' And what was funny is it was kind of- <br /> <br /> 06:12 '''Shane Bugbee (interrupting) '''<br /> :Horn! Train horn. H. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> 06:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit, and anybody could have driven by and saw.<br /> <br /> 06:22 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Did you use tissue or anything?<br /> <br /> 06:25 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I took a few with me, and then I finished the job when I, you know... I wasn't, I guess I wasn't- I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the used tissue on the door also. That would have been- there would have been a distinct message to it. (Amy Bugbee: Exactly.) I should have written on them beforehand, &quot;Fuck you,&quot; you know and stuck them... On the door.<br /> <br /> 06:46 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why did you- what does this have to do with H? (Doug Misicko: We went from &quot;hot Carl&quot;). I know but you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I- Doug (Doug Misicko: It's a hot Carl!) Doug I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have her analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> 06:56 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I don't need to be ''anal''-yzed.<br /> <br /> 06:58 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :All this shit talk coming from Doug, though, who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> 07:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of ''hot'' coffee, hot, H. Ah, I know that's not the good H like hot Carl, but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to- hear this? ''(slurping noises)'' I'm going to try to get as high as Amy, but I don't know if that can ever be achieved (Doug Misicko: From the hookah.) From the hookah. Doug's disgusted, &quot;From the hookah!&quot;. Doug's straight edge, (Amy Bugbee: Freaks!) Doug's straight edge, and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubbles, dead-<br /> <br /> 07:32 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I like everybody getting high around me. It's cool. ''(faint farting noise)''<br /> <br /> 07:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. (Amy Bugbee: Was that a hot Carl?) We missed that for gas where I would have-<br /> <br /> 07:42 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Was that a &quot;busted Daisy&quot;? We learned yesterday. (Doug Misicko: That's if he left some-)<br /> <br /> 07:46 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. (Doug Misicko: Right.) And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the ''shit'' and anal stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not, you know, I know that sounds like you know, &quot;Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your ass. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time.&quot; I think you have and you won't admit it. (Amy Bugbee: That's why he's so obsessed.) You know the frozen hotdog story, and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> 08:07 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog, every high school's talking about it.<br /> <br /> 08:13 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :This is &quot;H&quot;, we need some H stories. Amy, what are your H words?<br /> <br /> 08:17 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have &quot;hypocrisy&quot;, &quot;[https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hohman+Ave,+Hammond,+IN,+USA Hohman]&quot;, &quot;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond,_Indiana Hammond]&quot;, &quot;Holmes&quot;, and &quot;home&quot;.<br /> <br /> 08:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I love it... Well, what do you want to- you want to- you want to say, Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> 08:31 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :H.H. Holmes. That's Triple H. (Amy Bugbee: Exactly.)<br /> <br /> 08:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Ah, we're sick of him. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, fuck him.) Say that guy is-<br /> <br /> 08:36 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :He's been dead 100 years.<br /> <br /> 08:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some- kids? Or something to go for. Some goals out there. Two- three hundred dead. H! H! anything else? Your horror, Whore of Horror. Speak up! Let's hear a story about whores or something, from the whore.<br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, we watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> 08:59 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> 09:00 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :We also watched ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_(film) Head]''. (Amy and Shane Bugbee: Head!)<br /> <br /> 09:02 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :The Monkees, ''Head'', the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> 09:05 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. ''(laughs)''<br /> <br /> 09:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, never seen The Monkees ''Head''. Doug just watched the tape. And this was the first time you've seen it. Doug: give an honest review, man. ''Head''.<br /> <br /> 09:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought it was, well, I- (Shane Bugbee: The movie.) I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what ''year'' it was. But it seems ''well''- well above- well before its time. It seems like, you know, something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant-garde. It kind of- you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways, seems like it's going somewhere. If you walk away you feel like you're gonna ''miss'' something, you know?<br /> <br /> 09:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :That's sort of like the theme song that they have there. &quot;Just when you thought it over, the beginning might begin&quot; or something like that. (Amy Bugbee: Yeah, exactly.) And so did you have any respect for the Beatle- uhh, Monkees? Oh, bad note Beatles. Oh my god. I'm a Monkees fan, too.<br /> <br /> 09:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Well, before I saw it?<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Before you saw it, what do you think of The Monkees?<br /> <br /> 10:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :No, I always thought, what I heard of them, that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles something that... (Shane Bugbee: And what do you think after you saw that?) Yeah, they they obviously weren't. They obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot. At least the image that they were portraying ''before'' that a lot, you know. Like I- what I made of the- in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of- how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned, and, you know, how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> 10:40 '''Shane Bugbee (puffing) '''<br /> :I'm getting high - for H. I do my duty, Doug, do you do yours?<br /> <br /> 10:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like, uh, sub-stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> ==Shane muses about circumcision==<br /> 10:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I like Head, in more than one way. Oh! (Doug Misicko: It was supposed to be-) Do you know what I found about getting head? Is that, and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know- I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head? What? (Amy Bugbee: That's &quot;N&quot;. That's &quot;N.&quot;) No, we're talking about &quot;head&quot;, and I'm comparing the two, I used to really love head, but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis, and I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feeling, and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel. It would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think! I wouldn't- I will never know that ,but I really wish I could see my parents and I, you know- but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. (Amy Bugbee: Yeah, it's a ''disgusting'' thing.) That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of Hate and Filth And the Alphabet Show that we're doing here. Which is, I'm Shane. Evil-<br /> <br /> 11:46 '''Doug Misicko (interrupting) '''<br /> :And I'm Doug. (Amy Bugbee: And I'm Amy.)<br /> <br /> 11:49 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And I run Evilnow.com among other things, Mike Hunt Is On Fire.com, Three Ring Radio.com<br /> <br /> 11:55 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :And I own the domain name Dysgenics.com (Shane Bugbee: Well, actua-). oh, (Shane Bugbee: did you hear that explosion?) Yeah, there's something booming.<br /> <br /> 12:02 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, we live in Hammond, Indiana, (Amy Bugbee: On ''Hohman''.) On ''Hohman'', and if you ever- have ever seen ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Story The Christmas Story]'', that's &quot;Hohman, Indiana&quot;, which is really Hammond, Indiana. He just changed the street name and stuff. And &quot;he&quot; being [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Shepherd Jean Shepherd]. But Amy, any Hammond stories? Hammond, where we live- we're broadcasting now, is where ''A Christmas Story'' the movie is- is written about. This is- this is- this is the area.<br /> <br /> 12:28 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, a Summer Story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good too. That, uh, &quot;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_of_the_Open_Hearth Phantom of the Open Hearth]&quot;-<br /> <br /> 12:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Who's Matt Dillon? (Amy Bugbee: Matt Dillon? ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugstore_Cowboy Drugstore Cowboy]''?)<br /> <br /> 12:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :You don't know who ''Matt Dillon'' is? (Doug Misicko: I dunno) We are old. I think Amy, like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking in his Mama's womb or something. His daddy's ball sack.<br /> <br /> 12:56 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen ''Drugstore Cowboy''.<br /> <br /> 13:02 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Have you ever seen ''The Outsiders''?<br /> <br /> 13:05 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :No, that was- no that was like what junior high girls liked, I thought. Wasn't it? (Amy Bugbee: Yeah, it's a book.)<br /> <br /> 13:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :No, it's a good, it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior high girl, and if you say it I'ma fucking hit ya. H. (Doug Misicko: For hit!)<br /> <br /> 13:16 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You ever seen ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_the_Edge_(film) Over the Edge]'' ? That's a great movie. It's like his first movie.<br /> <br /> 13:21 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, ''Over the Edge'' is fucking stellar, cult, man. (Amy Bugbee:Really good.) He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man. You Know.<br /> <br /> 13:28 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Sorry.<br /> <br /> 13:29 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Wow, Matt Dillon. I'm trying to think of a ''recent'' movie he's been in.<br /> <br /> 13:32 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Hey, high school. H, I bet you we all have good high school story. (Doug Misicko: Oh, fuck.) But we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_on_Fire High on Fire]. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> 13:40 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> 13:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> 13:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> 13:51 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> 13:53 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> == Doug casually expresses hate for Jews ==<br /> 13:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> 13:55 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion (Shane Bugbee: For Zion, or from Zion?) 'cause that would make it go ''over'' there... Oh.<br /> <br /> 14:00 '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :''From'' Zion.<br /> <br /> 14:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it. How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> 14:03 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> 14:04 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the third- the only one that didn't get picked, so-<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :That'll be good. We'll just play the whole CD and forget the- fuck the H show. Nah, we'll play. Is that 1?<br /> <br /> 14:12 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :One. Let's start with 1.<br /> <br /> 14:14 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Cool, High on Fire. And let me, let me, let you kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing, too, a demo before- this was not released. (Amny Bugbee: Before they were signed.) So you hear an unreleased High on Fire. <br /> <br /> ==High On Fire song break==<br /> ''[Song: High on Fire - Blood From Zion]'' (- which is cut off abruptly after a minute)<br /> <br /> ==Meal album one-take story==<br /> 15:35 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug this story about High on Fire. (Doug Misicko: Let me hear it.) Okay, so High On Fire, they play this expo- they're great, great musicians and Doug you've never heard High on Fire right? (Doug Misicko: Never heard 'em.) So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal-ness, and so I have to explain to him how God-like High on Fire is. So High on Fire. They write this album called ''[https://www.discogs.com/release/1097273-Sleep-Jerusalem Jerusalem]'', this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song. It's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great album. But it doesn't impress you?<br /> <br /> 16:22 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I'd have to hear it, I guess. (Shane Bugbee: I mean, but isn't that cool?) That is cool. I can see an album like that being good- <br /> <br /> 16:28 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, you're gonna hear some High on Fire right now.<br /> <br /> 16:29 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, that's one of the guys from High on Fire. &quot;Sleep&quot;.<br /> <br /> 16:31 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, that was Sleep. That was the band Sleep. That's a different band.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Matt Pike is like the leader of- <br /> <br /> 16:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Matt Pike is a rock god, he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit, man. He'll- you know in the history annals of metal or rock-and-roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players. And you're into the faggy, Skinny Puppy type stuff which, Amy said the thing about Skinny Puppy is, uh, the ''bad'' thing about Skinny Puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> 17:02 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :N- n-nah, nah I proved heterosexual-ness right at the- <br /> <br /> 17:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah I said not ''many''-<br /> <br /> 17:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Maybe that's why you felt so ''strongly'' about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> 17:13 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards industrial.<br /> <br /> 17:18 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm gonna start that High on Fire song again.<br /> <br /> ==High On Fire song break resumes==<br /> ''[music restarts]''<br /> ''[Song: High on Fire - Blood From Zion]''<br /> <br /> == The psychic ability of Matt Pike to talk to turtles ==<br /> 22:15 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Oh, uh, nice song.<br /> <br /> 22:16 '''Amy Bugbee (drowned out by music) '''<br /> :Matt Pike told us what our turtle's name was. (Shane Bugbee: What was that Amy?) Matt Pike from High on Fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> 22:28 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Oh, so the turtle told ''him'' what its name was.<br /> <br /> 22:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtle's name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes, and about a half an hour later, he said, &quot;Your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle&quot;.<br /> <br /> 22:51 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :(laughing) &quot;Myrtle&quot; of all things. (Amy Bugbee: She's been Myrtle ever since!). Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle? <br /> <br /> 22:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know.<br /> <br /> 22:59 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> 23:02 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :All right. I don't- I don't doubt that it's name is Myrtle. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> 23:06 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Absolutely.<br /> <br /> ==H is for Heil==<br /> 23:08 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Then he was right! Then he was right. (Shane Bugbee: Heil. H.) Heil. Yep, true. Hand in the air. Heil John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> 23:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Heil. Heil! Hitler! Hitler.<br /> <br /> 23:20 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Aw, I couldn't think of another H for that. (Shane Bugbee: H! H!) Just couldn't do it. (Doug Misicko laughing)<br /> <br /> 23:24 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's such an obvious one. (Doug Misicko laughing)<br /> <br /> 23:27 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What, you guys didn't have it? (Amy Bugbee: No.) Are you- are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? &quot;That's so obvious.&quot; (Doug Misicko: &quot;It's typical.&quot;) &quot;It's very typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising.&quot; I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't it, Amy? &quot;Not surprising.&quot; No, but what do you say Amy?<br /> <br /> 23:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Was it on your list?<br /> <br /> 23:50 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's on my list.<br /> <br /> 23:51 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :What else is on your list?<br /> <br /> 23:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :&quot;High.&quot; Like I was ''getting''... at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> 24:04 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> 24:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept- What he did was- every, every time I leave class, he'd take the history book, which was the thickest book, and he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damaged. As you can tell today... Um, I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears... And so one time I took a belt and wrapped it around books. Something like one of my father, my uncle would say that- said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that, whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> == Doug commits arson in high school ==<br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I once lit a pep assembly on fire, and I did not get expelled for it. All those people! I used to get in trouble for most everything I did, and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because they caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. The thing went up. ''[German marching music starts playing]'' And I thought, &quot;Oh shit, it's all over.&quot; But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. (Amy Bugbee: Wow, you never got caught?) It was the most amazing thing I never got caught for... (Shane Bugbee: I love it.) But speaking about whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a- in my high school...<br /> <br /> 25:27 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing &quot;Hitler Youth&quot; songs underneath you, do you? (Doug Misicko: No, it's fine.) It's a good march there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> 25:34 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Maybe I can tell a story then. (Shane Bugbee: Marching, Doug, like this. ''[goose-stepping noises]'') In high school I used to have a swim class first hour. Yeah? And this was when I was like, yeah-<br /> <br /> 25:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :He's like saying that because I get high. And then I, in high school. I always, if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls — yes, I'm stuck in the Eighties — all day. And you could just say, &quot;I had a swimming class first period.&quot; Ha-ha, ha-ha.<br /> <br /> 25:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :And chlorine made you bloodshot, right? (Shane Bugbee: Yeah.) But anyways- I didn't do that. But, we had this stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office, and then we're all supposed to ''not'' get in the pool. &quot;Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance,&quot; which was us lining up and calling off a number. ''Every fucking morning'' we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> == Shane takes offence at the word 'fat', using the n-word ==<br /> 26:19 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Hey. That's like saying &quot;nigger&quot; in front of a Black guy. I'm fat. You can use, the &quot;rotund&quot;.<br /> <br /> 26:25 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Right- (laughing) Pleasant- pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out, we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said ''(shouting)'' &quot;JEREMY! GET OUT OF THERE!&quot; (laughter) But it happened Every. Single. Morning. They were both so stupid. ''(shouting)'' &quot;JEREMY! GET OUT OF THERE!&quot; (laughter) ...High school was all provoking people and getting in fights. <br /> <br /> 26:57 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :High School was all about gettin' high.<br /> <br /> 26:59 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high, and ''not going''.<br /> <br /> == Shane's criminal past ==<br /> 27:04 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So. And then I went ''back'' because I got, well, I got &quot;housed&quot;. Let's put it that way. I got &quot;housed&quot; for a month and a half in a county jail, and uh, for residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because it looked good for court. (Doug Misicko: Ohhh.) And that was absolutely the way different experience. (Doug Misicko: Because it was a different school, right?) No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so ''serious'' after that. When you come back to school and they're just fucking kids. And they're just fucking off talking about ''garbage''. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids, and I did ''not'' feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into. You know, they make it hard to get a job, you know, you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know- just because you don't want to go to school that's a bad person.<br /> <br /> 28:10 '''Doug Misicko (sarcastically) '''<br /> :Jail sounds like a great resource for our kids then!<br /> <br /> 28:13 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson, now I walk the line, but I don't break the law. I absolutely will not- that was a fucking ''definite'' learning experience and I fucking came out of there a fucking sober person, saying, &quot;You do that, there's repercussions for what you do.&quot; And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions, every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers: &quot;Wuit blaming other fucking people, it's your problem every situation you're in.&quot; And six weeks in jail will do that to you. During that time I broke- I had my pinky broken. Tried to punch someone, I'm not much of a fighter, and hit the concrete wall. And my pinky broke because the guy was stealing my food, and as a fat fuck, you don't do that. I'll fight anyone for that. Fucking Mike Tyson takes my fucking corn or something and he's gonna-<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Eats your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich hoagie].<br /> <br /> 29:01 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah I'm gonna fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> 29:04 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You had your ''pinky broken'' in jail?<br /> <br /> 29:06 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I broke my own pinky. Yes. Came out, I was in a cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, pinky. What a gay fucking thing. Gay. Well, it's honest though. 26 seconds. <br /> <br /> [''German marching music ends'']<br /> <br /> 29:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Hermaphrodite.&quot;<br /> <br /> 29:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :The ABC show next week is- what letter comes after H? (Doug Misicko: Oh, shit.) &quot;I.&quot; Eye, Doug. (Doug Misicko: Eye.) Doug, Amy, Shane, goodbye. Evil Now.com<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:36 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Whore Of Horror.com<br /> <br /> 29:37 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :See ya. Right, Amy? Is it over? Next week I, this was H. ABCs. ''[timer bleeps]''<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the I show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over, we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> ==Israel==<br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:44<br /> :<br /> <br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on nuking &quot;the Holy Land&quot; and setting fire to churches==<br /> 08:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :It's ignorant. And I have respect for ancient history and archaeology, but I would say make the fucking &quot;Holy Land&quot; to crater, a radioactive waste, and then tell them, &quot;Go to town. It's all yours. All you assholes. Fuck it. Solomon's Temple? Who gives a shit. It's just it's gone to fucking far. It's gone too fucking far. <br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Exactly. Fence off the whole country, and it can only be for tourists, you know, no one can live there or something.<br /> <br /> 09:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, free zone, UN, whatever. Martial Law! No- none of those assholes should be there. If people really are- have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with. (Amy Bugbee: Exactly.) Churches- churches are terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document, and it's ''stupid''.<br /> <br /> 09:27 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :''Ignite'' the church. <br /> <br /> 09:30 ''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 09:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :We need to ignite some churches. Here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptists. (Doug Misicko: Really?) it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the, uh, you know, like a ''dome''. Like a stadium.<br /> <br /> ==Inebriation stories==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :Yeah, that's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like, what, eight tracks and then do another CD. (Shane Bugbee: Exactly.) I thought it would have been cool if they did more.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing toda?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on The View and Network N-words==<br /> 22:15 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're doing the alphabet. We're starting each show with a letter, and just going- That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme. We bring up a letter, first word comes to mind, and we ''discuss'' this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black Negros and sit and talk about-<br /> <br /> 22:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :''Rotund''. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) We don't use the &quot;f-word&quot; in this house.<br /> <br /> 22:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Inflated&quot; for &quot;I&quot;.<br /> <br /> 22:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god, inflated? (Amy Bugbee: There you go.) Worse than- worse than fat. &quot;Inflated&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Right.) But like the five big flat- fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> 22:49 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Big- uhh, I think it's five big, big ''inflated'' Negros that discuss things on a show. I dunno, there's some morning show.<br /> <br /> 23:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I've never seen it. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, nevermind.) Is it &quot;The View&quot;?<br /> <br /> 23:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> 23:02 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Are they all Negros? <br /> <br /> 23:03 '''Doug Misicko''' <br /> : I think so.<br /> <br /> 23:06 '''Shane Bugbee''' <br /> Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> 23:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :She's a Negro. <br /> <br /> 23:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> 23:11 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yep. She's Jewish.<br /> <br /> 23:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :She's some- No, oh, uh, she's a- she's a network (Shane Bugbee: Idiot?) -nigger, is what she is. (Shane Bugbee: Right.) She was paid one time- she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity. Now, if that's not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. (Shane Bugbee: Exactly.) You know, she talked to him, and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered, nice man he is and everything else. And the guy's making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into, &quot;Everybody knew that smoking was bad for you.&quot; And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that, you set a bad precedent you should be stopped. Shane Bugbee: Or killed.) Had they not ''been lying'', it would have been different story. (Shane Bugbee: Or killed.) Right? (Amy Bugbee: What were they lying about on medical records?) Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that, It's up to them. (Shane Bugbee: Right) When they lie about it, that's a whole different story.<br /> <br /> ==On fatty foods==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :Same thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Italian Fascism==<br /> 26:46 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Tune in for the last five minutes- or 10 minutes of the F show, and you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> 27:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago, and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardone_Riviera Gardone Riviera]. And that's where [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittoriale_degli_italiani Gabriele D'Annunzio's house] was. Most people don't know who Gabriele D'Annunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet- (Shane Bugbee: Italian, &quot;I&quot;.) Yeah, Italy... So, we went over there- I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked- but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else. And the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, D'Annunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfelds, Colons, Dicks, and Bushes, but anyways, ''he lost an eye'' in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers, the Blackshirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackshirts original Blackshirts]. Those were the original ''fascists'', and Mussolini aligned themselves with him and them. And he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about them. D'Annunzio didn't like Mussolini, he was saying, &quot;You say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot&quot; — for &quot;I&quot;. And so when Mussolini came to power, right, D'Annunzio was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home, being that he spent their money like it was going out of style, It was ''beautiful''. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that- his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room, it was like it had like a coffin-<br /> <br /> 29:12 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh I ''love'' that- I've always wanted. And it's funny, you say that: I've always wanted to have themed rooms.<br /> <br /> 29:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :He had one where the+ the theme was severed hand. There was hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was- he was ''great''.<br /> <br /> 29:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a Q no J No. K. J. Evil Now.com.<br /> <br /> 29:38 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :TV Is God.com<br /> <br /> 29:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:41 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> : Only one. That's because of his ''addiction''. &quot;A&quot; show, addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ''Canned Audio: Sesame Street ABCs''<br /> <br /> 03:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy? How you doing?<br /> <br /> 03:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I’m doing just fine. Am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> 03:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> 03:24 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Uh-oh. It's the alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from Three Ring Radio and Doug from dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 03:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm...not here<br /> <br /> 03:37 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And the great artist from ''[[Might is Right]]'' too. That's Doug (Doug Misicko: Thank you.)<br /> <br /> 03:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, not really from ''Might is Right'', he really attached himself to something that was already moving, and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned with such a great book. I still can't figure it out.<br /> <br /> 03:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Soon to be a great artist for more than just (Shane Bugbee: Soon to be, exactly.) known just for Might is Right. And Shane got what? How many websites? (Shane Bugbee: I don't know.) Evilnow. Club Hate. Mike Hunt is on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> 04:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what else Amy if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> 04:23 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't want to overlook any you know.<br /> <br /> 04:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there aren't they? (Shane Bugbee: Sometimes.) Yeah.<br /> <br /> 04:31 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And then I do TV is God and &quot;The Whore of Horror&quot; or, &quot;Whore of Horror&quot;.<br /> <br /> 04:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We better get ''The'' Whore of Horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get it - you're fucking us. You're fucking us. (Doug Misicko: Fucking prick.)<br /> <br /> 04:45 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh it's the Alphabet Show and today's letter's what? K?<br /> <br /> 04:48 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Brought to you by the letter K?<br /> <br /> 04:49 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> 04:53 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K. (Amy Bugbee: Special K.)<br /> <br /> 04:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :K K K and you know we played some Johnny Rebel, but now we have an excuse to play Cajun Ku Klux Klan if we wanted to (Amy Bugbee: Excellent, let's do it.) Do you have any K songs, then Amy?<br /> <br /> 05:09 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I got Karma to Burn, but I think we could hear some- (Shane Bugbee: Some more Johnny Rebel!)<br /> <br /> 05:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some more of the triple K. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that a veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> 05:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :If it's a veterina- well, that's just PCP then, they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is.<br /> <br /> 05:30 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, it's like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably similar.<br /> <br /> 05:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, it's just gotta be PCP because that's what PCP is, is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> 05:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I’m pretty sure it's special K, isn't it?<br /> <br /> 05:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know. I've never- and like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> 05:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets-<br /> <br /> 06:02 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Bites the bumper leaves his teeth mark in it, shit like that?<br /> <br /> 06:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, gets shot five times and runs at a guy and rips his head off with his bare hands. Those are PCP guys.<br /> <br /> 06:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember taking- I smoked PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this- in this court, you know, [''makes car noises'']<br /> <br /> 06:29 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. Some easy listening tune and playing in slow motion, you're smiling-<br /> <br /> 06:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Something like fucking Ozzy Osbourne or something like that, you know, Crazy Train or something nutty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> 06:49 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :In a car full of guys with their eyes like ''wide'' open.<br /> <br /> 06:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just to, just to go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking for like three weeks. And I know there was a big riot everyone, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I'm- I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot break out. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me, we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PCP story.<br /> <br /> 07:26 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> 07:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not, we couldn't run away. I think it was, we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCP.<br /> <br /> 07:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I get it. I guess the real scary part of this, was you and some guy were holding hands. (Shane Bugbee: Yes. Yeah. Well that's-) It's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> 07:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like all of a sudden we look at each other's hands go. Ah! It didn't scare us the riot didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story for K.<br /> <br /> 08:02 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, how is PCP similar or different to crystal meth?<br /> <br /> 08:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, meth is an upper meth is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. (Doug Misicko: Forget it. I can't help you). You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommend an institution.<br /> <br /> 08:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I thought PCP was an upper. (Shane Bugbee: No, no! No, no.)<br /> <br /> 08:36 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's more like a hallucinogen.<br /> <br /> 08:39 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone- someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have, uh, extra adrenaline. (Doug Misicko: Okay...) but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say an animal tranquilizer. (Doug Misicko: Okay.) Crystal meth is an upper, like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. (Amy Bugbee: Mm-hmm.) Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. (Amy Bugbee: It was nice! It was fun.) She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me, I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm (Doug Misicko: Attracted to your opposite.) Yeah, I'm up, and Amy is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's- she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, Oh, I'd do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> 09:49 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive I'd murder somebody. (Amy Bugbee: ''laughs'')<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what, you know, just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and- I can't kill, you know it's, it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> 10:19 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't know- I think about, I think about murder a lot.<br /> <br /> 10:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. (Amy Bugbee: Which one?) I don't know you were saying how nice it was, before Doug interrupted, but it's not murder it's K, cunt, for Kill. (Doug Misicko: Killing.) Killin, with an -in not an -ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> 10:39 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know-<br /> <br /> 10:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :How about driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> 10:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving- me, Shane and Mike Diana, and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. (Shane Bugbee: To be on TV.) We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like, every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were goners for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> ==Discussing how Doug would prefer to murder someone==<br /> 11:31 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And now Doug I did say you would kill on crystal meth. Killing, K, ABC show.<br /> <br /> 11:37 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about m- I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> 11:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch and we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. (Doug Misicko: I think we were on the couch.) We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you- I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck- you, you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> 12:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I might. I might. I've gotten close to it.<br /> <br /> 12:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think so. Are you scared of yourself?<br /> <br /> 12:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Sometimes.<br /> <br /> 12:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You're afraid of yourself, Doug. (Doug Misicko: I dunno.) Admit it. You have a personality disorder.<br /> <br /> 12:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I remember one time I was just at a- I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for- we were walking around at night.<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Whole? (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) Here comes the whole Joel. Here comes the hole Joe. [''laughs'']<br /> <br /> 12:28 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're walking around this (Shane Bugbee: Make sure Joel hears that.) cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out there. (Shane Bugbee: Did you ever think a-) It's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> 12:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's hole?<br /> <br /> 12:44 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> 12:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fuckin' good old Joel.<br /> <br /> 12:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> 12:53 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical are we? Are we talking like, no law? Are we talking like, just what I'd want to do or- (Amy Bugbee: Preference.) what I could (Amy Bugbee: Your preference.) get away-<br /> <br /> 13:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right now what would you do now? Today.<br /> <br /> 13:05 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think would be the most enjoyable?<br /> <br /> 13:07 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Killing somebody with my bare hands, just bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just 'til the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wad of skin and meat you know, and crushed bone. (Shane Bugbee: [''laughing''] Ah, that's a good one.) You know?<br /> <br /> 13:19 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I think that's- bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, bludgeoning, or-)<br /> <br /> 13:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, but there's laws you're saying, she's saying most fun that's what you'd do.<br /> <br /> 13:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I'd do. In, in- respect to the law I would use poison.<br /> <br /> 13:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly, you have to do poison. And I would enjoy a poison kill anyway, I think about killing myself and I think poison would be- it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have, you know, if you know, they have to choke.<br /> <br /> 13:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> 13:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. (Doug Misicko: That's true.) I don't want- Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> ==Ricin==<br /> 14:04 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture, hard to detect. You know, they talk all about ricin now as a terrorist tool, but-<br /> <br /> 14:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like, in South Carolina. Their their their bush, their state bush is a leaf that's poison, and if you dried it out and made it into a tea it could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. (Doug Misicko: What tour?) (Amy Bugbee: Of the town.) We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) you know.<br /> <br /> 14:33 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> 14:40 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Ricin comes from just from castor beans. It's not hard. It's like, you know, it's a, it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. (Shane Bugbee: Really.)<br /> <br /> 14:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow. Where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> 14:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own ricin.<br /> <br /> 14:57 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And what do you do with ricin Doug?<br /> <br /> 15:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Ricin, you put it in some ways food or you make contact it's one of the, it's one of the most potent poisons.<br /> <br /> 15:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you do with it Doug?<br /> <br /> 15:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't do anything with it.<br /> <br /> 15:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Tell us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> 15:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[''laughs''] People, people could do that. [Amy Bugbee: Castor beans are-) And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is, it's, it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well, (Amy Bugbee: It won't kill'em.) it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and it's hard to do. It's a prolonged death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenics and they die. Coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on than people like to acknowledge you know (Shane Bugbee: oh yeah), I think it happens a lot.<br /> <br /> 15:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :If it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay. (Doug Misicko: Or you could make your-)<br /> <br /> 15:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital, I think there's something going on.<br /> <br /> 15:52 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yes, she told me about that.<br /> <br /> 15:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :So if I die, I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> 15:57 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh really? (Shane Bugbee: Yes.) Oh well- watch your back. (Doug Misicko: Well, well you can make your own-)<br /> <br /> 16:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's, uh, is character flaw with a K? No that's a C.<br /> <br /> ==Columbine==<br /> 16:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's fine. But botulin spores you can put your own botulism in people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> 16:20 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Columbine.<br /> <br /> 16:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't, I'm not very Columbine savvy. (Shane Bugbee: Klebold.) Which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair?<br /> <br /> 16:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> 16:33 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They're just like one entity, does it really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> 16:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have to, I think Amy's favorite is Klebold.<br /> <br /> 16:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. (Doug Misicko: Why?) I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, he looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> 16:59 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> 16:59 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> 17:02 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Okay, I get it.<br /> <br /> 17:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah I can't figure out, I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> 17:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You're looking at their unit?<br /> <br /> 17:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I look at them ''as'' a unit.<br /> <br /> ==The KKK and killing Jewish people==<br /> 17:15 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Alright. So weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, we were talking about the Ku Klux Klan. (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) Amy was talking about kikes during the- you know, when we were off the air, for K.<br /> <br /> 17:30 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K-word.<br /> <br /> 17:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think you said, &quot;Fucking kill the kikes&quot;.<br /> <br /> 17:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What does &quot;kike&quot; mean to you, Amy?<br /> <br /> 17:39 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Go fly a kike. <br /> <br /> 17:40 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Kike-y tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yes. &quot;Just do it.&quot;<br /> <br /> 17:50 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[''laughing''] I don't have any good KKK stories. I- (Shane Bugbee: No?) I gotta say I've never met anybody in the KKK.<br /> <br /> 17:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over. Andy.<br /> <br /> 18:07 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> 18:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me? I guess so, as long as he doesn't let me live through my miserable life, that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> 18:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And his wife were over. They're both active members in the Klan.<br /> <br /> 18:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, and they were cool. We watched- what do we watch with them? We watch any movies or did we just hang out? And watch Bum Fights? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, that's right.) Yeah we watched Bum Fights (Doug Misicko: Oh, that's funny.) and they were disgusted or the wife looked disgusted by it but they were, you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he ''was'' listen I'm talking past tense ''was'' a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the Klan, seems that, you know (Doug Misicko: There's &quot;Christians&quot; in the Klan.) I parted ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> 18:50 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the Klan do?<br /> <br /> ==Moving to Europe==<br /> 18:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, I guess.) What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups - that's from the ACLU to PETA to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. Shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> 19:26 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I tried. I fucking tried.<br /> <br /> 19:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Why can't you get over? You could have got over there.<br /> <br /> 19:31 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was ''there'', I- you can't get a job over there now.<br /> <br /> 19:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry, sucker. I get over there and fucking, I'll be over there man.<br /> <br /> 19:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was- I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> 19:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, I don't have any friends over there.) I tried to talk Amy into moving to Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> 19:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> ==Opposition to religions in public==<br /> 19:57 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck outta here, I can't handle these kinds of politics Kerry, Bush, Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have, they don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we ''don't'' have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in Three Ring Radio, we had spoke about the, in France, going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away. This other jamoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie. I don't know who's telling me what, I don't really care if I moved to France I'm not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling, &quot;Kill Christians&quot;. I ain't gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanists or any Buddhists or anyone. I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that.<br /> <br /> 20:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, I know recently in France, they were talking- they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No- no turbans, no goddamn little Jewish- (Shane Bugbee: Where was this at?) In France! No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps on their heads.<br /> <br /> 21:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I like that as long as it’s ''no'' religious stuff. Fucking none- <br /> <br /> 21:14 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :I'm with you. I'm all for it. I'm ''all'' for it.<br /> <br /> 21:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like like smoking in public- it's like smoking in restaurants wearing religious garb all over. It's offensive to me. I don't want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense ass. Fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public, either.<br /> <br /> 21:33 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head, every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> 21:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Rip the crosses off their necks. Stick it in their nose, their eye. Eye revenge.<br /> <br /> 21:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Stick it in their fucking eye, right.<br /> <br /> 21:48 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids so they'd learn better. Maybe if we did that with everybody, you know-<br /> <br /> 21:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly. (Amy Bugbee: A better society.) Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> 22:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Like, ooh, like the cubicle! K for cubicle.<br /> <br /> 22:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey, isn't that C? (Amy Bugbee: Well...) Today it's K?<br /> <br /> 22:10 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It was &quot;character flaw&quot; worked. Why not cubicle? (Shane Bugbee:You're right.)<br /> <br /> 22:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Got a point. (Shane Bugbee: Touché.)<br /> <br /> 22:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I had this theory about cubicles because we had this office where we lived before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep, I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is, the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of. A cubicle.<br /> <br /> 22:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking, I'd be saying- &quot;You're fucking typing fucking loud!&quot; You know? &quot;Jesus Christ. You're typing loud.&quot;<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I know how that goes. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I start getting pissy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> ==Visiting the KKK Museum==<br /> 23:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you say? &quot;Ma, turn down the fucking soaps&quot;? (Doug Misicko: &quot;Yeah.&quot;) (Amy Bugbee: He throws a shoe at his parents.) Are you deaf? (Doug Misicko: All right.) All right, Klan. When are you going joining you know me and Amy went to the Klan Museum when we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married to. (Amy Bugbee: On our honeymoon.) She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to. Beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> 23:32 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Montreal, or Toronto, wherever weed was legal or something.<br /> <br /> 23:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, right. So, so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the Rebel flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the Klan museum on our honeymoon. And the Klan guy like I called a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone number to call them said &quot;we're on my honeymoon&quot; and he goes &quot;well I'm closed but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids.&quot; Kids K, (Doug Misicko: alrighty) and he- KKK, Museum, and so he takes us down we go out there we meet them down there, opens the store and we're let in, it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs Klan-y is &quot;Honey, don't let him cheat you, get something for yourself&quot; so so Amy goes runs over gets a t-shirt, &quot;the night time is the white time&quot;. (Doug Misicko: ''laughs'') (Amy Bugbee: I love that shirt!) Tell him what else, tell him how they showed us the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> 24:27 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :John Howard, the guy who ran it his son, he's like what a sacred Cyclops or something? His son took us down-<br /> <br /> 24:36 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You gotta talk into the microphone, though.<br /> <br /> 24:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :From the movie ''The Klansmen'', you know what they say. What is that, an ordained Cyclops or something? He says-<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops (Doug Misicko: That's right). That was funny yesterday or the other day we're talking eye, E for eye. We're talking about Doug's missing eye. &quot;I'm not a fucking Cyclops. I have two eyes, just one's broken!&quot; Ah, that's fucking funny, dude.<br /> <br /> 25:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :So anyways, ''Raiders of the Lost Ark''.<br /> <br /> 25:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :The back room was like ''Raiders of the Lost Ark'' when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, Amy, go ahead.<br /> <br /> 25:14 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walking around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am.<br /> <br /> 25:34 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> 25:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :With Bush in office. I mean, Bush ''is'' the Klan. Those fucking people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over Bush. I hate I God I hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. (Doug Misicko: He's a retard.) Speaking of the Klan. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was, it was fun to go on our, on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely Klan song by Johnny Rebel. I think we can actually dedicate this one Amy. What was Andy's wife's name? (Amy Bugbee: Cindy.) This is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> ==Anti-Black Racist Song==<br /> 26:24 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> ''Editor's note: lyrics contain flagrant racism, slurs and narrative description of a lynching''<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Rebel_(singer) Kajun Ku Klux Klan] by Johnny Rebel&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :You niggers listen now<br /> :I'm gonna tell you how<br /> :To keep from getting torchered<br /> :When the Klan is on the prowl<br /> :Stay at home at night<br /> :And lock your doors up tight<br /> :Don't go outside or else you'll find<br /> :Those crosses-a-burnin' bright<br /> :Now I know you won't believe me<br /> :So I'm gonna tell you why<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :Is gonna get you by and by<br /> :I'm warnin' you that when I'm through<br /> :You're gonna change your tune<br /> :This story's 'bout a nigger<br /> :His name was Levi Coon<br /> <br /> :He walked into a cafe<br /> :He thought he'd get a bite<br /> :He thought that they would serve him<br /> :Since they passed the civil rights<br /> :The waitress told him no<br /> :And that he'd better go<br /> :He said, &quot;No ma'am, my Uncle Sam say<br /> :I don't have to go.&quot;<br /> :So he sat there in that cafe<br /> :Bein' stubborn as a mule<br /> :No matter what she said<br /> :He wouldn't get up off that stool<br /> :He sat there like a jackass<br /> :Said, &quot;I'm gonna demonstarate.<br /> :I came in here to eat, and<br /> :I ain't leavin' 'til I've ate.&quot;<br /> <br /> :The waitess had enough<br /> :She said, &quot;I'll call your bluff.&quot;<br /> :She said, &quot;If we can't treat you right<br /> :We'll have to treat you rough.&quot;<br /> :The phone was in her hands<br /> :She gave him one more chance<br /> :He wouldn't go, and so she called<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :When he saw them cajuns comin'<br /> :Levi knew it was too late<br /> :His eyes popped out his head<br /> :And his kinky hair got straight<br /> :He said, &quot;Oh lousy white folks<br /> :I didn't mean a thing.<br /> :Why did I have to listen<br /> :To that demonstrator King?&quot;<br /> <br /> :Now niggers understand<br /> :They tied up both his hands<br /> :He was at the mercy of<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :I knew just what they'd do<br /> :Levi knew it too<br /> :I knew what kind of torture<br /> :They would put that nigger through<br /> :Now the moral of this story<br /> :As plain as it can be<br /> :Niggers mind your business<br /> :And let us white folks be<br /> :You'd better heed my warnin'<br /> :And try to understand<br /> :Don't you demonstrate<br /> :Around the Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> |}<br /> <br /> 29:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :All right. Three Ring Radio.com - Evil Now.com - Whore Of Horror.com - Dysgenics.com<br /> And this is K in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for [''beeping'']<br /> <br /> 29:55 '''Singer '''<br /> :LMNOP QRS, T U V, W-<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ABCshow N<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section I==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on N-words== <br /> 08:36 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your N words, Doug?<br /> <br /> 08:40 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I have neighbors, Nazi…<br /> <br /> 08:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Did you say neighbors?<br /> <br /> 08:44 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 08:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Is that the other N word? (Amy Bugbee: *laughing*)<br /> <br /> 08:48 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Other N word? You mean be-<br /> <br /> 08:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That’s the other N word. Like &quot;nigger&quot;. And then you go, &quot;nigger&quot;, and the other N word is neighbors. They’re a nigger.<br /> <br /> 08:55 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why &quot;nigger&quot;! I didn’t think of that.<br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy’s uh, father gave us that one.<br /> <br /> 08:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :That’s what my dad says.<br /> <br /> 09:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What? He says &quot;neighbors&quot; is the other N word?<br /> <br /> 09:01 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :He says that &quot;neighbors&quot; is the ''other'' N word, yeah.<br /> <br /> 09:03 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> Oh, Right. Well... then what- what do you do if your neighbor’s a nigger?<br /> <br /> 09:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fuckin' hang him high. (Amy Bugbee: Sell your house.) Hang him high, OK?<br /> <br /> 09:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> : *laughs audibly into the mic* I also had ''news'', ''nurses'', and ''noise''...<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section II==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Fascist Neighborhoods and Hidden Heroes==<br /> 12:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I gotta tell you, the f-word still has 'em all beat. (Shane Bugbee: What?) F-word still has 'em all beat internationally. I go to other countries, I still see &quot;fuck&quot; on the wall. I never see &quot;nigger&quot; written on a wall.<br /> <br /> 12:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Interesting<br /> <br /> 12:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :When I was in Italy, I didn’t see &quot;nigger&quot; anywhere.<br /> <br /> 12:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :But you went to the fascist leader’s house. (Doug Misicko: Actually, I was in a fascist-) The guy who started the fascist-<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was in a fascist neighborhood, right outside the Vatican, and it was a real nice, clean area, but you would see swastikas spraypainted. You know, like the crosshairs. I don’t know what you call that, you know, but it was a fascist symbol. [https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/celtic-cross A circle with just the crosshairs in it]. With… little fascist logos or anything else. It was a clean area, ''nice'' area. If you went to the shitty side of town on the wrong side of the tracks in Rome, saw little hammers and sickles painted on the walls and shit like that. That was the difference.<br /> [[File:Sun cross O con noi o contro di noi.png|200px|right]]<br /> 12:54 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow, that’s crazy.<br /> <br /> 12:56 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think it says a lot, and I think it stands to reason...<br /> <br /> 13:01 '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :And you bought that T-shirt. What did your T-shirt say?<br /> <br /> 13:04 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Uh, in Italian it says “you’re with us, or you’re against us.” And it was- it’s a- It’s a ''fascist'' shirt. It was a ''fascist'' logo on it. I actually got it at a little fascist kiosk outside of Gabriele D’Annunzio’s palace.<br /> <br /> 13:19 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And who is that again?<br /> <br /> 13:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He was a- y’know- he was like the first fascist. He was the ''godfather'' of fascism. Italian World War One hero that occupied the promised territories, after the First World War. With the Blackshirts. One of those- One of those hidden heroes. People should look him up. Look him up on the internet... Good deal.<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section III==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Letter H */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Whoo ha ha AEC see Isaac is it oh so sad because I will see you soon as they decide so so the idea girls will all join together on the letter D ea, ea. T. Do you do at the end of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:37<br /> :the day di, di di Di Di, di you are gifted<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :Thank you. Jay Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay, you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:15<br /> :a good day<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Dog. Yes. Can't even hear you. Try it again. Okay. Oh, there we are. Very good. Amy. Hello. I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk in the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :We're reprised privacy. I wrote prettier. How do you say that? Reprising Yeah. We're reenacting our roles in the 911 broadcast right now. Refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time remember your rights here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :that, an order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show and bands that start with the letter A or B or C we really don't have a name but the alphabet show the alphabet show Doug says the ABCs of hate that you know how typical Phil? Phil how your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably worried so difficult. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :What was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it should be the ABCs without w is our world is a world without<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :W What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know they call the president? W<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :our world is dominated by W but it wasn't<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :speaking of a asphalts stripe CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking Hey, now see? See asshole. animosity, aggravation.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :And then sub phallic. Oh, hey, that's my favorite a word that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What does that word again? And then so phallic. Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :It's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the clap sets and little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :Happened to Princess?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies. Wow. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that is what happened to Princess kid. And a phallic Jelic<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Do you smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? A brain<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :couldn't tell you. But what does it what does that again and then so phallic. And I said a phallic? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :I got it. Well, we're onto another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :making up words. Doug's just fucking with true word medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, good stories. John. Dawg. You gotta get stories about NFL Vladik.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met, but if anybody's willing to sell me one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickle punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had was princes son.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they will know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. That starts with a yeah And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy and Amy, my favorite a word of off, Amy. Beautiful, Amy. You're sweet. Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running to the streets angry looking for a mad fix. zactly something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? No. So angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier good story. I think about something about Angel we said was we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, Well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything at all. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A S. and, you know, she thought she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She I don't know. Maybe if she higly I paid extra she may have that's why she was so filled out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, Well, maybe she get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town and these people, she was really disgusted by the it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ash. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just felt there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been Yeah. Or she had really long fingernails or something. She<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked at that trade said it was common that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty and a lot of the girls had figured that was they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty and sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta get anal story. Oh, okay. One time. I stuck a candle in the skies. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep? No, no, he<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was right away.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Okay, take your pants off if you wanted to get right all right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So so this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :Hold on. Well, I mean in chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. explaining it was I do like my ass work. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your boy you're eating nutty chocolate, I realized<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :was a born again Christian. I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the password. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :He I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :do you mean hot looking? No. I mean, it was frictions creating heat,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, Ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :it was cool. All that out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :The candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke up and inside of them. And I didn't tell them or anything. I just had to go eat poop it out later, but it probably had to go to the doctor for that. No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop dog think I gotta<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :ask. All right. Well, I've never had grass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess I guess you guys perhaps Perhaps you ever thought about it now?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Sweaty down below thinking about it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Now if it did I do it but it hasn't. So I haven't you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :there's the process. stayed up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :This right here. Male G spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :a gay man told me that before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about a gay man once told me and now I'm looking at you again. Exactly. Doug's given me the one brown eyes got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :it was a gay guy. Another<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :fucking beat your fucking Scullin like a goddamn white man. Where I live radio. I just told the whole email group to join in another gay man. That<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :was gay guy. DJ Oh, you know who used to date was Daniel Day Lewis. Anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :we'll save that for DS tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis get his ass worked. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :I was having a after hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, Hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true all you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Night Well, I hear a legend in urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. No, if you stop shooting loads sick pulls up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. Oh, really? Yeah, but friend of mine Monty claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves jerk you off. And tickle work your ass their finger. Oh, he claims I just don't think I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :i Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. That's why if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's my doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's man you can if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcraft nice t shirt. You got their fellow?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a John Ashcroft. Doug drew a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :really cool t shirt. He's an artist, a fine artist. I like to call him but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, non joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one I don't know. You stick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does that he does have one eye<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :but I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good Irish just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t shirt that we're going to be selling on three ring radio.com and evil now.com and dis genex.com and horror of horror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful a. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :the ego. So you're listening to it all day. Like,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? Michael Moore. All right, right. He's related to the guy in the process.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right Robert? grimston. Robert,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :right hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the PS Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it as craft as craft the parlor. That's the point I'm making. As craft. I just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :got to add I think is craft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen all of us. I don't know what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :We're Focht now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with like ask crowd isn't asked. Right. I don't have I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Do you pointed him he pointed all the losers as as Croft last elections Senator in Michigan Spence Abraham last fuckin election gets appointed head of the department of energy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :here it's playing right now I can't turn it down below me stop this. See that was as craft sorry go ahead I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine yes Croft was singing the world standstill and Ashcroft sings<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :as Croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing is the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned. Fucking hedge and De Niro<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :hanging with dog is like hanging with the goddamn teacher in my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So I could feel smarter than his friends. Okay. On<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, neighborhood Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ashcroft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit. 911.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. So what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Well, to hear it right now. Go ahead. We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs. Of Fate fill.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :Fill the alphabet show the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :alphabet show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while Amy's call it the alphabet show. Doug has the name the ABCs of filigree fuckery and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word. fuckery isn't it? Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :better go<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :motherfucker bitch fuckery is my word motherfucker. My word motherfucker and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :using dumb factory but fuckery to describe time foolery and you know grab ass what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tip when I was sucking your mama's tip before you are round by the use of fuckery motherfucker all right in all fuckery Yeah, that's my name of the show pure fuckery letter fuckery something okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you actuals as a play playing Doug Doug Hello. I don't know All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by shozy We're gonna have this shit taken care of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:01<br /> :to Golden Golden's.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:10<br /> :oh hi cheese never saw before Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:18<br /> :from rocky coast to Golden shores.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:21<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing pleadings<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:37<br /> :as the land beneath her sings.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:39<br /> :Only God love other kings. Let the mighty Eagles oh, oh.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:59<br /> :This country's far too young. She's still got to live<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:06<br /> :with God. No other kings. Let the mighty Eagles Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:20<br /> :no, she's cried a bit for what we've put her<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:23<br /> :through. She soared<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:27<br /> :above the lifted lamp. Guard sweet freedoms though. In the dues the dance the watch fires of a nation torn by Whoa.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:41<br /> :She's far too young to die. You can see it in her eyes. She's not yet begun to fly. It's time to let mighty Eagles the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:55<br /> :Eagles saw Oh Oh like she's never saw before Oh, from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:06<br /> :rocky coast to Golden shores<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:09<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing wanes<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:24<br /> :as the land beneath her says things only God<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:32<br /> :no other key things. Let them mighty soul Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :you've got to love the fucking John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:52<br /> :God loves them. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :Oh yeah. You see sung man at a press conference? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :you know the better a look at my list of A's is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. Not at all. Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pissy All right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of policy and he's very obsessed. They're not around with that is good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, get can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking Empire by now. Right? Right. I mean, he has too much fucking time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :I can't. That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 911 show last year on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first right? Yeah, you can't listen to we're history bitch. You're talking to Brian fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And Betsy Ross over here. We're history<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :Dolly Madison,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolly Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You're driving it something like that? I was. Yeah. What? Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have as you can see from my Rotunda bill, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any motherfucker going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it or is he's involved in the pipe trade glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like five $10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the rosin. And I mean, ami freaks out because I am a real fucking I've got a real bad addiction to weed when it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something as this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because I fucking knee these<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:59<br /> :things. cocaine, alcohol, mocking me these days.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel. Dude, I fucking need these things. I need these things. Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. And addiction. Well, you need like fun. Yeah. Well, sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You don't want it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship feed off, man. And it's more than<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :the ritual of it smoking Amy talked about the ritual of smoking is setting up the bong and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a doll blade. No. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :you're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for Wu.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that we only got five minutes left. How<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :long is your song? Two minutes and 44 seconds. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's Only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You that's the only time it's bad the addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for 24 hours show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without you know that it's it's fun when you have you know those things to come for you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. What do you mean when you look at me being addicted? Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call says come on over. All right. The booty call? Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :Here that ladies. That's Doug Ed. Pussy. I'm call on call. Dick. What's your website? Again? Dis Genex. Yeah, ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy cut. Oh. Oh, that was your brother. Sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. It is for me. It's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an attic until it's gone. When it's gone. You seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say I could use a fucking weed right now. Sure I can fucking use a joint was sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :Exactly that sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :y'all get on your knees.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''27:11<br /> :I need these things. You know what<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know everyone I've been surrounded with as an addict. So I've never been addicted<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :for a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for I pain. But when the pain went away and stopped smoking it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :it was a good medicine for you. Yeah, well addictions get bad because you really need so much I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke if I get an eighth. I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore and I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :oh god she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now she's gonna call these<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :we didn't cover abuse the other a word<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. Well, what's the name of the song public assist to play that for pee pee P we'll play it for p so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot wanted to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's it goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes you Dick It's hard when you're beaten on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink deck. My dork could talk about that for my hog. The problem with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> :abuse though is you got 20 seconds they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are by<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy Thank you. This Gen x.com horror of horror.com and evil now.com my consent feiyr.com and three ring radio.com Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week be. That was great. Yeah well I think it's gonna go great<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> 00:02 '''Cookie Monster canned audio '''<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> 01:24 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on Mike Hunt on Fire or Evil Now.com Mike Hunt on Fire.com, uh, Club Hate.com, Three Ring Radio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. The Whore Of Horror.com. (Amy Bugbee: That's me.) And our... acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug Miseecko- no, he's a good- I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> 02:04 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> 02:05 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> Mesi- Misseek? Oh- You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So, that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner. (Laughs)<br /> <br /> 02:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> 02:19 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> 02:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> 02:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner! It's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does Dysgenics.com. He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds worth of reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> 02:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You know, I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> 02:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss &quot;the A show&quot;, go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> 03:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :A is for &quot;addiction&quot;. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> 03:05 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> 03:06 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Cuz, I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> 03:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family, &quot;You know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies.&quot; They're good though. That's a tested- that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my... Well, I'm asking for it. But you know—<br /> <br /> 03:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :But they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> <br /> 03:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 03:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know about that, partner.<br /> <br /> 04:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> 04:01 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking- I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> 04:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> 04:08 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> 04:10 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 04:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though— (Doug Misicko: All right.) —before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> 04:22 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. (Shane Bugbee: Come on.) I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> 04:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> 04:38 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> 04:40 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> 04:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> ==Laci Peterson Cookies==<br /> 04:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> 04:53 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Lavender Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> 04:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> 04:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> 05:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> 05:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> 05:02 '''Amy Bugbeee '''<br /> :It's her ''favorite'' cookie. <br /> <br /> 05:03 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Laci- Okay, here's the deal with the Laci Peterson ''lavender'' cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation-<br /> <br /> 05:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered- (Shane Bugbee: Right.) -and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> 05:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> 05:36 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> 05:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Anencephalic.&quot;<br /> <br /> 05:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :(Laughs) But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death, they would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- (Doug Misicko: Oh.) -with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her— D- uh, er, killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent ah— Connor! That's the kid's name. Ah, &quot;C&quot;. Yeah, Doug, you mixed me, you mixed me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. (Doug Misicko: How'd I do that?) You explained who Laci Peterson was.<br /> <br /> 06:25 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> ==Cannibalism==<br /> 06:26 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 06:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you- I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. You have a healthy lifestyle. So ''that'' kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> 06:52 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> 06:54 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> 06:55 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though, at least.<br /> <br /> 07:01 '''Shane Bugbee''':<br /> Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000, man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> 07:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> 07:16 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> 07:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Long pork&quot;? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> 07:22 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> 07:22 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> 07:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> 07:34 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 07:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect ''and'' hate. <br /> <br /> 07:42 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> 07:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> 07:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at, I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people ''no problem'' and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> 08:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be Y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought &quot;Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism.&quot; You know?<br /> <br /> 08:19 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to... I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think- I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I... I don't know.<br /> <br /> 08:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad#Effect_on_the_city Stalingrad]'' (sic). During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, there's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> 08:54 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 08:54 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti-cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> ==Chicago Cop Stories about Cannibalism in the Projects==<br /> 09:00 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say &quot;Oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.&quot; And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'— [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%E2%80%93Green_Homes Cabrini-Green]. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of ''Candyman'', Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in &quot;C&quot; the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini-Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> 09:34 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> 09:37 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Oooooh, I'm getting spooked by C... Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects, and they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub, and they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies, and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> 10:01 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the— (Amy Bugbee: ''Now''.) —the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The— (Amy Bugbee: The Historical Society?) —Historical Society. And you can- this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude, and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the ''real''... keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not- I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true, to the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just- that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their... own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> 10:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Waste not, want not.&quot; <br /> <br /> 10:53 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> ==Cannibalism, Chikatilo, Donner Party==<br /> 10:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo Chikatilo]. Cannibal. C.<br /> <br /> 10:56 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> 10:57 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 11:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing, and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news, and I was spray painting all over the town. &quot;Chikatilo&quot;, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> 11:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> 11:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Communism&quot;! C. &quot;Chikatilo&quot;. C. &quot;Cannibalism&quot;. We are &quot;C motherfuckers&quot;. CCCP.<br /> <br /> 11:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Pumping out all the Cs.<br /> <br /> 11:23 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner Park before but that's D. But they were cannibals!<br /> <br /> 11:28 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Cannibals! They- cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner Park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> 11:34 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner Party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane, and he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know. (Laughs.)<br /> <br /> 12:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> 12:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> 12:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> 12:22 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> 12:27 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> 12:29 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Cemetery&quot;. C.<br /> <br /> 12:31 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> 12:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> ==Cunt==<br /> 12:35 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> My favorite &quot;C&quot; is &quot;cunt&quot; and I just love saying &quot;cunt&quot;. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think ''Sex and the City'' and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six— Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a &quot;cunt-tree&quot; in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever- next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets- they had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. (Amy Bugbee: Oh that's right.) And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the c-word was the way I said &quot;Oh the Cs though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.&quot;<br /> <br /> 13:28 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> 13:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> 13:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You know, a book was put out called ''Cunt''. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> 13:41 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. (Doug Misicko: All right, I mean, right.) I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> 13:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's great. <br /> <br /> 13:49 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :When my dad was also-<br /> <br /> 13:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna- every time a C-word is gonna come up, any word. &quot;You know, there was a book called ''Demented Eggs''. You know book-&quot; You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus. (Shane Bugbee :Oh!) They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :They don’t though! Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about- (Shane Bugbee: No, they don’t!) :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :We’re talking &quot;Coloreds&quot; at the letter C. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really Black neighbor with a Black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. &quot;Heyyy,&quot; and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 ounces to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-<br /> <br /> 14:43 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :He was the white chap. C.<br /> <br /> 14:44 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me &quot;Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. But us Black- us ''niggas'',&quot; as he said-- &quot;niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy.&quot; And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and &quot;We don't eat pussy, motherfucker.&quot; That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway-<br /> <br /> ==Crispy Critters==<br /> 15:13 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :When my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them &quot;crispy critters&quot;. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> 15:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her ''cornflakes''— &quot;C&quot; — and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about &quot;crispy critters&quot; — &quot;C&quot; again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore... of horror.<br /> <br /> 15:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus? (Shane Bugbee: Me?) Yeah.<br /> <br /> 15:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I couldn't- I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> 15:56 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :You couldn't ''chow'' on that. <br /> <br /> 15:57 '''Shane Bugbee ''''<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it, fondly-<br /> <br /> 16:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> 16:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I was- I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> 16:04 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> 16:05 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> ==Cockroaches==<br /> 16:08 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just a little afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole Black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time— ''cockroaches''. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement-basement. It was like a half built basement? And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light— in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the ''whole wall'' was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the coloreds- cockroaches — all 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day... Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said &quot;colored&quot; the wrong way. Did I say &quot;nigger&quot; and not &quot;nigga&quot;? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye. (Amy Bugbee: I burped. Excuse me.) Oh burped. B. That was ''last'' show Amy — but the wall moving — and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr— and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> 17:45 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> 17:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 17:48 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 17:49 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> 17:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them ''bolted''.<br /> <br /> 18:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> 18:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but-<br /> <br /> 18:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat 'em too.<br /> <br /> 18:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for— That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires, and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm-<br /> <br /> 18:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd just ''snack''. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> 18:33 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I'd probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> 18:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> 18:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> 18:47 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> 18:49 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. (Doug Misicko: Mmm.) Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> 19:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> 19:06 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> 19:07 '''Doug Bugbee '''<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the &quot;C&quot;.<br /> <br /> 19:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. &quot;C&quot;, bitch. <br /> <br /> 19:20 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> 19:21 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> 19:28 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. C. Double &quot;C&quot;. And the song is &quot;Come Down Here&quot;. Another &quot;C&quot;. <br /> <br /> 19:36 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> 19:36 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I liked The ''Cocks'' better<br /> <br /> 19:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolting_Cocks RevCo's] great. <br /> <br /> 19:39 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :That starts with &quot;R&quot;.<br /> <br /> 19:40 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> 19:40 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu-<br /> <br /> 19:43 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> 19:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> 19:48 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We're low on the Rs, okay?<br /> <br /> 19:52 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes, and she took over when we did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, record player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes. Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> 20:10 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Come Down Here&quot;.<br /> <br /> 20:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow, &quot;cunnilingus&quot;. I got- we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> 20:20 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> 20:23 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> ==Chris Connelly song break==<br /> 20:24 '''Canned Audio'''<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Connelly_(musician)#Solo_discography Come Down Here] by Chris Connelly&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :beyond the softward silence shadows midnight mind<br /> :the warmth appeared in seconds like the dark<br /> :a trail of swollen fruit leads to a higher kind<br /> :lips and lovers' limbs begin to part<br /> :search and you shall find<br /> :what you want take what's mine<br /> :breathe in the air<br /> :of the hour we were there<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> :I disappeared between you many times before<br /> :and every single time I never leave<br /> :awake with you and stranded on another shore<br /> :too dreamlike and delirious to believe<br /> :bring in the night<br /> :and the moon and the light<br /> :shake off the day<br /> :you were born and I'll stay<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> :close to the skin<br /> :shut your eyes we begin<br /> :fall like a leaf<br /> :onto me in your sleep<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Laci Peterson Cookie Recipe==<br /> 25:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for &quot;B&quot;. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> 26:24 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :All right. It's the Laci Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's ''bound'' to have it. All right.<br /> <br /> * 5/8th cup butter<br /> * a half cup sugar<br /> * one egg<br /> * a tablespoon of lavender flowers<br /> * one and a half cups all-purpose flour<br /> * And sugar, powdered sugar<br /> * And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. <br /> <br /> :So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they ''gotta'' get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. <br /> :<br /> :Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> 27:39 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> 27:41 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> 27:43 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> 27:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me-<br /> <br /> 27:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :It wasn't enough, at least.<br /> <br /> 27:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial. And you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. &quot;C&quot; for condolence. This is the &quot;Alphabet Show&quot;, the &quot;ABCs of Filth&quot;, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evil Now.com.<br /> <br /> 28:21 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I'm Amy from Whore Of Horror.com, and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> 28:26 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :And this is Doug from Dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> 28:28 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug Mesner... with two Zs.<br /> <br /> 28:32 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> 28:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :(Laughs) Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> 28:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We never even got to ''converts''.<br /> <br /> 28:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? (Amy Bugbee: Somebody.) Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot ''Christians''. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play- I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, ''cunts'', cocksuckers...<br /> <br /> ==Cocaine==<br /> 29:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> 29:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh! I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> 29:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story, too.<br /> <br /> 29:18 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> 29:28 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Oh, I guess it is.<br /> <br /> 29:29 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like.<br /> <br /> 29:32 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. (Doug Misicko: I did have a friend.) I had a friend that gave me that today. Said, &quot;Hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs.&quot; Amy. I think in a past life was a coke whore. Because she's like, &quot;I'll take that motherfucker.&quot;<br /> <br /> 29:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was never a ''coke'' whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> 29:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for ''dickhead'' and ''dumb''. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now. We're just gonna start banging them out you know so we're gonna Amy... a couple of seconds, and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [recording: ABCs of the Bible]<br /> <br /> :I’m gonna hide God’s Word<br /> :In my heart, it’s a lamp unto my feet<br /> :I’m gonna read God’s Word<br /> :Every day it’s my food, my bread and meat<br /> :I’m - (skips) <br /> :-truth of the Bible<br /> :I’m gonna open my eyes I’m gonna memorize<br /> : <br /> :A!<br /> :All have sinned and come short of the glory of God<br /> :Romans 3:23<br /> :<br /> :B!<br /> :Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved<br /> :Acts 16:31<br /> <br /> 00:34 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :(Interrupting, apparently not realizing mics are on) You gotta love this, Doug. Doug? I'm calling you. The ABCs of the Bible. (Doug Misicko: OK.) Yeah, this is the good stuff. <br /> <br /> (Unintelligible talk over remainder of song continues.)<br /> <br /> 02:01 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Okay, we're gonna stop that song, it sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy, (Amy: Hello) and Doug. (Doug Misicko: Right.) We're working on- it seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter. This week, or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows will play them. But this show is &quot;D&quot;. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows A, B and C- you missed Anal. Some good anal stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby stories, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. Who started last time? C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies, A was anal... (Amy Bugbee: I think Doug has to start D). Oh, you're right. I forgot we have &quot;Doug&quot; and the D. Dick-headed Doug is his technical nickname 'round here.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :It's so it's my letter. (Shane: Yeah.) God damn right. (Shane Bugbee: Well, I got G.) Right. Right, right. (Shane Bugbee: Damn it.) Damn right. So I got another highfalutin' word like I had for A (Shane Bugbee: You're such a dick.) But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? (Doug: I don't know! I know these words.) Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call, &quot;Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago?&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :And believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I- I have this in my head. Anyway.<br /> <br /> 03:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you mean &quot;believe&quot;...? What the fuck-how the fuck are you-<br /> <br /> 03:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Who do you think we are?<br /> <br /> 03:51 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> : *laughs* Well I didn't ''consult'' a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You know what for later? We're going to have for I- We're going to ''insert'' a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko tries to tell stolen skull story, misunderstands defenestration==<br /> 04:03 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Anyways, [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defenestration defenestration] is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt (Shane Bugbee: What is defenes- what the fuck?) Defenestration is when you jump out of a window. (Shane Bugbee: Why can't you just say jump out of the window? Or crazy motherfucker?) Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say- if you say it in one word. &quot;He died of defenestration.&quot;<br /> <br /> 04:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> : Where did you find out about this word?<br /> <br /> 04:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :They never say how people died in obituaries.<br /> <br /> 04:34 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But if you ''were'' gonna write an obituary- (Shane Bugbee: No, no.) Perhaps it'd be a eulogy?<br /> <br /> 04:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :''You''! If ''you'' were gonna write an obituary. Where did you find out about this word though? Really, Doug.<br /> <br /> 04:43 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. (<br /> <br /> 04:44 '''Shane Bugbee''' <br /> :(shouting) You know! You know.<br /> <br /> 04:45 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know, Doug reads dick-, the dictionary while he's sitting around-<br /> <br /> 04:48 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I know Doug knows dick (Doug Misicko: It sounds smart.) but uh-<br /> <br /> 04:52 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Anyways, he steals a skull out of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs_of_Paris a crypt in France], and he crotches it to get out. And it was one of those- (Shane Bugbee: Who is this now? This is a story about your friend-) Yeah, the drunken [Murphy]- <br /> <br /> 05:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Who jumped out of a window? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, but-) -and his defenestration?<br /> <br /> 05:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> Yeah, yeah. But he had this skull, and then at night- (Shane Bugbee: Where is this at?) This is in France, he went to France, and he figured I'd like this skull, but it's on a crypt tour, so he has to crotch it. A fucking skull. You know? As you know- they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> 05:22 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And this is a drunk. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) That's the drunk, we drew on his- D, for drunk. We ''drew'' on his face with markers when he passed out (Doug Misicko: Yeah, he passed out, right-) and he's a total ''dick''. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the defenes- (Doug Misicko: Defenestration.) Ptthptpththpth. Yeah.<br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah. Anyways, he got ''roaring'' drunk that night in France. (Shane Bugbee: What a dick.) And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two-story window.<br /> <br /> 05:51 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And where's he from? (Doug Misicko: Detroit.) Wow, he's got the four Ds going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with dick, drunk, defeneration ''(sic)'', Detroit.<br /> <br /> 06:02 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Alright, and right. I, too, am from Detroit. So it stands to reason. <br /> <br /> 06:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko hates Detroit==<br /> 06:06 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug from Detroit. <br /> <br /> 06:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 06:09 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :And it's every bit as foul as they say it is. (Shane Bugbee: Detroit?) Oh, fuck yeah. It was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. Full swing. (Shane Bugbee: Oh, another D!) Yeah they burn they burn that city down, every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons won, but, you were just telling me — I didn't even hear the news — nine people got shot...<br /> <br /> 06:34 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> 06:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah! It was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burn down-<br /> <br /> 06:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Maybe eight years ago, huh? (Doug Misicko: It was a you know-) When me and Amy was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit and there was shit that was ''on fire''. And it wasn't no Devil's Night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something and fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> 06:56 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Or shit was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once, and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be ''nothing'' left to burn in this fucking place? (Shane Bugbee: And it's not just Devil's Night.) Oh, no. It is like arson capital? It's where it's at. I mean- (Shane Bugbee: Fucking jeez.) But sometimes, I've heard different stories. I've heard sometimes it's people collecting, I don't know, like the landlord protect- you know, collecting property value somehow by burning his place down. or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shit on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> 07:38 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Hey, I saw the Eminem ''8 Mile'' movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> 07:41 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> 07:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> 07:44 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> 07:51 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the coloreds?<br /> <br /> 07:54 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, the place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Fuck it. We should carpet-bomb it and start again.<br /> <br /> ==Amy Bugbee on Death==<br /> 08:00 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :What's your D word, Amy? Or D- you got a neat thing to throw out there D-<br /> <br /> 08:05 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Death, drugs, doom and Dennis doll(?)<br /> <br /> 08:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over &quot;drugs&quot; with &quot;addiction&quot;. So why don't you do &quot;death&quot;? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website Whore Of Horror.com. There's some really fucked up st- Amy's tales of woe on there, are some really fucked up stories, and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, are the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know- I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shit's- that she's in the real. Amy lives in the real man, (Amy Bugbee: &quot;In the now,&quot; as Charlie says.) I say in &quot;the real.&quot; All right, motherfucker, don't correct ''me''. Corrections on, C, that's the deal, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay? Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was- slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped on 'till their brains popped out of the top-<br /> <br /> 09:28 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex-boyfriend?<br /> <br /> 09:31 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how big her friends are what they do. They better kill me or I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright.<br /> <br /> 09:49 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :You know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book: &quot;Dead People I Used To Know&quot;-<br /> <br /> 09:55 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Great story. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea for a book! (Amy Bugbee: because, I know somebody-) It's gonna get ''stolen'' now.<br /> <br /> 10:02 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Do you think people know enough dead people to fill a book?<br /> <br /> 10:05 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :They'll lie. It's some cunt like Jim Goad(?)'ll do his still- (mocking voice) &quot;Dead People I Used to Know&quot;, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that C for cunt.<br /> <br /> 10:15 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh, I gotta good one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because I did a search-<br /> <br /> 10:20 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Ooh book story, I'm sorry to interrupt- &quot;Dead People I Used To Know&quot;, that's a book Amy's going to work on. (Amy Bugbee: I'm working on it.) Yeah, right. She's working. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> 10:34 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple hundred. I probably know quite a few dead people.<br /> <br /> 10:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :A couple hundred is exaggeration. (Amy Bugbee: Okay, a hundred.) I mean, Amy does know- how many how many of your girlfriends have ended up in the lake over here? (Amy Bugbee: A couple.) two or three right (Amy Bugbee: Couple yeah, in Wolf Lake.) No shit man, we'll read a paper or story. There'll be something on the news. There was a girl found up in the lake, Amy will go, &quot;I bet you that's one of my friends&quot;. And sure as shit, it is. This is the killing fields out here. That's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calumet_City,_Illinois Cal City], the Calumet Region. (Amy Bugbee: Right. Just south of Chicago.) So talk to me, Amy. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> ==Murder of Ernest Graves by Eddie Niksich==<br /> 11:07 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, we recently, Shane had a friend over from Serial Killer Central. And we were talking about- (Shane Bugbee: [http://wagthegonzo.blogspot.com/2010/04/interview-with-joe-hiles-webmaster-of.html SK Central.com].) -SK Central.com. (Shane Bugbee: Joe [Hiles]!) And we were talking about serial killers in this area, and there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid, I knew this family, the Niksich family. In fact, I dated the youngest Niksich in junior high. But the ''oldest'' one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew Pee Wee, who was like this hat guy who never went to school ''ever'' in his entire life — I think he dropped out in second grade — and he owed Eddie Niksich and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Niksich, his friend, and his friend's dad, [https://law.justia.com/cases/indiana/supreme-court/1992/45s00-9012-dp-812-4.html kill Pee Wee] and the guy ''he's'' with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, &quot;Hey, how you doing?&quot; They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend (Shane Bugbee: Who is this now? The dead friend is Pee Wee?) Pee Wee Graves. Fitting name, huh?<br /> <br /> 12:29 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> 12:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest Graves, is his real name. (Shane Bugbee: Hm, that's cool.) I always knew him as &quot;Pee Wee&quot;, and when they got caught, of course — you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk — of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight- eight girls and dumped him in Powderhorn Lake. So he turned out to be a serial killer. (Shane: Fu-ucked up. ''Death''.)<br /> <br /> 12:59 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed, not the serial killer<br /> <br /> 13:03 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I knew two of them. I knew Eddie Niksich one of the killers. And I knew &quot;Pee Wee&quot; the kill-ee, as it were.<br /> <br /> 13:11 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> 13:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Man, that's funny- (exhale) You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for ''that'' one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> 13:25 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I know, you put a Dirty Sanchez on both of us. (All laugh)<br /> <br /> 13:29 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths. I saw- I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was, you know. Oh! (Doug Misicko:Really?) As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home, so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I... poke at the- You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face- I'd like poke the cheek, and I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it cracked it all cracked apart. And I ran- I run up the stairs, &quot;Wuuuuh!&quot;<br /> <br /> 14:14 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Cracked how, like the makeup coming off?<br /> <br /> 14:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Right, right. Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked. I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like, &quot;Oh my god!&quot;, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years, seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and- I'll talk more about the funeral home in F, in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the ''makeup''. It was so much makeup caked on there. That that cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My uncle's like, &quot;What happened Who touched-&quot; you know, &quot;Eho did that?&quot; And you know, I said I ran into him with the flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and when it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover ''[https://chicagoreader.com/news-politics/shocks-to-the-system/ The Reader]'' and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever, they call my parents to say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's- I can't top Amy's death stories.<br /> <br /> ==Death of Dana Plato==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :With you. There's death D. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Plato Dana Plato].<br /> <br /> 15:19 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, Dana P- why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But-<br /> <br /> 15:24 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 15:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that [https://www.discogs.com/release/10817247-Dana-Platos-Last-Breath-Dana-Platos-Last-Breath book and CD I did], and I left it behind. That's why I did that book, and CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably- took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people- Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking tens of thousands of dollars from ''Extra'' and the ''National Enquirer'' and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job, so when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I- What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question? It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to befriend someone, and then- and then- I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential, great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had- she started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her, and she really wanted to live that life, and she's full of that and had potential to do something cool, and do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life, so I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? (Doug Misicko: No.) Do you want to know about that. I mean-<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never- I didn't really know ''her'' I didn't you know, I don't know what she- I've never seen anything she was in or...before my time, I guess.<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, yes I'm a little older than you, I grew up watching Dana Plato on TV, and she was about- probably a little older than older than me. But she was (Amy Bugbee: On &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;) -on &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;. And I'd seen that it was like a (Amy Bugbee: D.) -pre pre-pubescent type of, D, yeah, &quot;Diff’rent Strokes&quot;, right. It was a pre-pubescent type of love affair- TV love affair. I think I ''whacked off'' to her one of the first ''whack offs'' I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. (laughs) And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring her up to Chicago to get her top off on the Internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book, a coffee table book of memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it- but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as well.<br /> <br /> ==Dirty Sanchez==<br /> 18:20 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato, that I know of, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in ''her'' butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger in ''your own ass'' and then smear it across her upper lip? Or does it matter?<br /> <br /> 18:45 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you asking me?<br /> <br /> 18:46 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah I'm asking you, I thought you were the Dirty Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> 18:49 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that- I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a ''prostate'' rub once in a while has nothing to do with humiliation and degradation- degradation or you know... gross. Can you imagine-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Oh I thought it was a mixed drink. &quot;Dirty Sanchez.&quot;<br /> <br /> 19:09 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I would imagine a Dirty Sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> 19:15 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it...?<br /> <br /> 19:22 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh on A or something like that? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, further back.) yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) You know &quot;serve and protect&quot;, man, you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rubbing under your nose.<br /> <br /> 19:39 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> 19:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah... What song we playing, Amy? You gave me a song here. What is it?<br /> <br /> 19:46 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Warzau Die Warzau].<br /> <br /> 19:48 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any Venom in the mix? (Amy Bugbee: for V!) All right, well- Amy a good DJ, I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say- Die Warzau all you know-<br /> <br /> 20:00 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another &quot;D&quot; song for E because I got nothing for E (Shane Bugbee: Eazy-E!) Oh there we go!<br /> <br /> <br /> 20:05 '''Shane Bugbee  ''' <br /> :Easy-motherfucking-E! E that's what I got when I look flip on page E it says Ed the Creep and E- Easy-motherfucking-E and of course my favorite subject Eagle. Here, Die Warzau a good song I think right? Alright, enjoy the song. Kiddo.<br /> <br /> ==Die Warzau song break==<br /> 20:30<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_(Die_Warzau_album) &quot;Liberated&quot;] by Die Warzau&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :Take me to the high spaces<br /> :White horses and blue gods<br /> :Let them be like children again<br /> :Blisters on my hands<br /> :Back is broken<br /> :Why can't I let go let it go<br /> :<br /> :Liberated - one mind one body soul<br /> :Liberated - turn the universal merry go round<br /> :I'm tired and I can't see<br /> :Why the great blue current won't carry me carry me away<br /> :When I'm tired and I can't sleep<br /> :And the fear is all I know<br /> :Open up your arms for me<br /> :Come to take me home<br /> :<br /> :Liberated - one mind one body soul<br /> :Liberated - turn the universal merry-go-round<br /> :I'm tired and I can't see<br /> :Why the great blue current won't carry me carry me away<br /> :<br /> :Take me from this body<br /> :I hate this flesh I'm in<br /> :Come and recreate me again<br /> :Take my breath and make the wind<br /> :My bones are dirt again<br /> :I am everything<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Shane Bugbee's Door Story==<br /> 25:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yo! Song ended pretty... abruptly. Let's go, we're- that was Chris Connolly, was it? Or no. (Doug Misicko and Amy Bugbee, together: Die Warzau). They sound the fucking same to me... ''gay'' and Doug ''loves them''. And that the letter is D, and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing, where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter.<br /> <br /> 26:09'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :You know what I wanted to ask you too? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;D&quot;.) I don't know if you'll be able to cover it in time. The fucking door you had a story, somebody's trying to burst- bust down your door.<br /> <br /> 26:20 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :We'll- use that for another one, break-in, or robbery or something like that break- ah fuck. (Doug Misicko: Ehhh.) I was gonna say &quot;dad&quot;, but I can't- I don't know, D, door? I'll go with door. Fuck it. Door. Amy? You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door? Remember? Doug wanted to talk about it? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home of the fucking asshole, cunt, dirtiest pot,dirty — D — ''dickhead'' politicians. They don't do anything here- anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once, and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. I come home, talk to Amy about it. And she says, &quot;Oh yeah, the guy was creepy.&quot; You know he's over here, over there. I shut the door, lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuckin' and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the door and go, &quot;The fuck do you need?&quot; And he goes &quot;blah blah blah,&quot; you know like he was &quot;I-I- was looking for some kids&quot;. He walks away while I call the fucking cops. Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond, dickhead cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King#1991_police_assault_in_Los_Angeles Rodney-fucking-King]. It was- it was great to see because the asshole tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass, and the guy fought back a lot. So there's &quot;the door story&quot;. How do you like that door? There in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now.<br /> <br /> 28:05 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, good for the winter. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> 28:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, I have a ''hole'' in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat here, I wonder why I got a walking case of pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom, and then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. (Doug Misicko: So you get this breeze from the doors.) Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D- boring. I wanted to say &quot;dad&quot;, or my brother &quot;Derek&quot; or one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up, my real like my father was my father but my ''dad'' was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Dahl Steve Dahl]. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a Dahl.com - D A H L - you'll see. He's the guy who did- oh! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night Disco Demolition]. He's the guy who ''did'' that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager, 10 years old or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco records. &quot;Disco sucks! Disco sucks!&quot; So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco, and he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there- everyone's smoking weed and- he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man(?) known as a DJ, but he's nationally known and all that. &quot;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wango_Tango_(song) Wango Tango]&quot; is playing, right, and Ted Nugent. Big speakersm and they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil Now.com. Amy?<br /> <br /> 29:33 '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy, Whore Of Horror.com<br /> <br /> 29:33 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Doug, Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked, we'll be playing some Eazy-E<br /> <br /> 29:40 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :No more industrial music till &quot;P&quot;.<br /> <br /> 29:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving- you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life, Amy. Whore Of Horror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some- ''[audio cuts out]''<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==Eazy-E Song Break==<br /> 17:36 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Muthaphuckkin_G%27s Real Muthaphuckkin G's] by Eazy-E&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> 00:00 '''[singer]'''<br /> :A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> 01:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah ABCs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth! Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug Misicko:: E!) Oh, I guess (Amy Bugbee: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter ''E''. And now we're on F. And this is a show- what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind - F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with &quot;fat&quot;. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E, Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about. Was good conversation. Amy, F. What do you have for F, I have I have my man &quot;Farrakhan&quot;. &quot;Fat&quot;, of course, that's, that's my middle name. &quot;Fucked up&quot; - I like to get, and &quot;failure&quot;. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. &quot;Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising.&quot; I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> 03:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> 03:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> 03:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> 03:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> 03:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> 03:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> 03:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> Would that be a &quot;Feud&quot;?<br /> <br /> 03:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like, &quot;Leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> 03:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit (Shane Bugbee: There's no reason.) - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> 04:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> ==Felching==<br /> 04:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> 04:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> 04:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is.<br /> <br /> 04:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug Misicko: All right). Isn't that it?<br /> <br /> 04:33 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> 04:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, and you would cum inside the ass, and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That well- I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...?<br /> <br /> 04:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> 05:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turn-on to people.<br /> <br /> 05:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing ''Clerks'' where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, &quot;What's a snowball?&quot; It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, &quot;oh, dude you've done that?&quot; You know, it's it was in ''Clerks''. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug Misicko: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on snowballing==<br /> 05:31 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth.<br /> <br /> 05:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> 05:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> 05:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first, you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> 05:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night, ''Bully'', and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug Misicko: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says &quot;Son, I have an electronics store for you,&quot; and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> 06:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> 06:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> 06:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> 06:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> 06:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> 06:24 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> 06:28 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right. That would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> 06:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ah ha! You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> 06:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra, I guess.<br /> <br /> 06:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy Bugbee: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> 06:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> 06:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter-fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter-fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whore Of Horror.com.<br /> <br /> 07:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> 07:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug Misicko: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug Misicko: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done, his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whore Of Horror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here. And I'm Shane, Evil Now.com Among other things, Michael, Mike Hunts On Fire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> 07:54 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Not much good. (Shane Bugbee: Not much good?) I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat, food, force, fiends, fuck, factories, fist fire, and fill.<br /> <br /> 08:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> 08:12 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced, either/or.<br /> <br /> 08:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> 08:19 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire stories==<br /> 08:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy Bugbee: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> 08:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother- this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policemen had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her. And I mean it's a closet, you know. You would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet, but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> 10:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> 10:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug Misicko: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> 11:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane Bugbee: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> 12:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> 12:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Ya know.<br /> <br /> 12:23 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> 12:25 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire- fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie ''Backdraft'' once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> 12:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> 12:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like, &quot;God, what the fuck is this?&quot; You know, and Amy's like, &quot;Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends.&quot; And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke. Crazy. Cra-zy man, crazy. <br /> <br /> ==Arsonists==<br /> 13:29 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> 13:32 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> 13:34 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist. They think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says, &quot;Well, he's probably a fireman. You know...&quot;<br /> <br /> 13:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> 14:03 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old- old news.<br /> <br /> 14:16 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane Bugbee: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> 14:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about &quot;food&quot; and &quot;fat&quot; these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have — not an addiction but as a definitely comfort — I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and ''good'' food. I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> 15:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> 15:35 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We actually have two. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_of_the_Nephilim Fields of the Nephilim] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_No_More Faith No More]?<br /> <br /> 15:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> 15:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim, I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug Misicko: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing...?<br /> <br /> 16:02 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right...[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton Mike Patton]?<br /> <br /> 16:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down, and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> 16:09 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :So if it was Mike Patton, Faith No More would've been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> 16:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim. Not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> 17:05 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCoy Carl McCoy].<br /> <br /> 17:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> 17:08 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Number eight, &quot;For Her Light&quot;. F.<br /> <br /> 17:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh look at you. &quot;For Her Light.&quot; (Song begings to play.) :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> ==Fields of the Nephilim Song Break==<br /> 17:14 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizium For Her Light] by Fields of the Nephilim&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> He said, how lonely you are<br /> Waiting at the Sunday Park<br /> I'll elude you I will lose you<br /> Existing we're no soul apart<br /> You stand, stand on a platform<br /> Your effigy dissolves in my hands<br /> When I feel like someone to lie on<br /> And I feel like someone to rely on<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> Illusions born of the air<br /> Something seems precious there<br /> I'll elude you I will lose you<br /> As rehearsal of my despair<br /> When I feel like someone to lie on<br /> And I feel like someone to die on<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> |}<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. <br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:25<br /> :A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. Happy, happy all are we. Now we learn ABCs. Now we learn our ABCs...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :You dumb fucking cunt. Hey, Doug.<br /> <br /> 01:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Yeah?<br /> <br /> 01:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> We're ''on'' now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. <br /> <br /> 01:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, you could sip your soda pop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:24<br /> Why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones... And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only- I always say is- what we call this yester- &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot; or &quot;Filth&quot; and &quot;The Alphabet Show&quot;? And it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour, we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind. And we say the letter &quot;G&quot;, we start talking about and trying to tell stories and ''trying'' to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to. So we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. ''Ayy-mee''.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Late to the studio. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> G to G for- I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:23<br /> For Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 02:25<br /> The shittiest shithole.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. *laughs* Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good party.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit ''thinks'' they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills, closed down steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talking, Amy. Tell us about Gary. Gary's your &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my &quot;G&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for G? Last night- Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to- find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the Gs or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G-spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Go, gas, gag, gaggle. I don't know. Gardening...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the G-spot. So.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :Have I found it? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee''' 03:38<br /> Of course. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> Really? &quot;Of course.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :We wouldn't still be married if you didn't. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :I don't know if I found it or not.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You should be told. You should be told these things. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''  03:50<br /> You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :We've talked about it in detail. I thought.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:54<br /> We did? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed, Amy. Without me. Uh-huh. And what is that with green? G. You smoke the green? Come on, Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh, Gregory Reed. We pray- we- Do we have his phone number?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self-appointed expert in occult crime. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 04:34<br /> Fuckface.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal, murdering thousands each year. (Second one there.) And we call him the other day and we're calling him on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad- (Hey, you might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day.) Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the supposed Satanists, this &quot;satanic cartel&quot;, as he called it, and we callrf his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :You're doing the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. *call goes to answering machine* Noooo. <br /> <br /> '''Greg Reed (Answering machine)'''05:34<br /> Hi, you've reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with ORCC. Please leave me a brief message with your name and number, and I'll get back to you. Thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> See, he calls himself a doctor. He's not a doctor. We found out he's a ''painter''.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :This is message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stockey. Location, my number is 219-931-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello? Alright, keep talking please, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregory Reed and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow-up response was to her follow-up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly is what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reed. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to- What's wrong, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's your note pad. It sounds good flying at your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> : Yeah, it sounds good. Gregory Reed then. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying, &quot;I can tell by your tone where this is going.&quot; And I had no tone, really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole- When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he- he lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or ten books that- that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> Yet he's a doctor. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> Yeah, he starts stuttering, he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :Well, he named off ''two'' after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bunk and another one was just a common occult bookshop staple called &quot;Black Magic&quot; by Cavendish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic &quot;cartel&quot;. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :Well, Gregory Reed is barely a G, so let's get on with the G for &quot;garbage&quot;. Anything else? Come on? It's boring.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Garbage.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> GG Allin. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> GG Allin, now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggests &quot;door&quot; for D and &quot;Gregory Reed&quot; for G. Gregory Reed being so fucking boring I'm falling asleep here... GG Allin, now that's cool. Where's my G- did we ever find my GG Allin CD?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :No, we never did find it. We found the case, but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that. Or bean dip and pretended it's shit. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, I'll go get the beans. <br /> <br /> ==GG Allin and sexual assault attempt==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, well, GG Allin was great. I did the- GG Allin, I got a GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Which one?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> About when you used to write to him and talk to him. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :Yeah, so I used to write to GG Allin and longtime ago I used to do a zine. And GG Allin- we were corresponding before he went to prison. And after he went to prison- you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call, and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the GG Allin Manifesto, I think it's called. The GG Allin Mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine ''Naked Aggression''. Originally, the- his mission statement. And the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about is- &quot;People. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me. They want to hang out with and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking burned, baby burned.&quot; And I always remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show. They had- he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, &quot;Hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out.&quot; And I said, &quot;Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man.&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 10:09<br /> That's goddamn right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 10:11<br /> Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark ''Fagula'' Hayner. And &quot;Fagula&quot; was his real name, too. And he had toured with GG Allin and did a video did some video, GG Allin. And he talked about the time his- it was funny, hetell me, &quot;why I hung out with GG Allin. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me.&quot; And I go, &quot;Well, tell me about it.&quot; He's like, &quot;Dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me, really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off,&quot; and he had his pants off, GG Allin was naked with a hard-on, fuckin' trying to rape Mark Haner. And it was really funny, like, &quot;What happened, Mark?&quot; And he looked- he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes? You know, they don't look you in the eye. Marks like, &quot;Well, I got out of there, of course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room.&quot; To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hole or something. Like, like, I think there was more than- I think his pants may have came down... And I didn't say he actually raped him. Because he did follow through with the rest of the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :What can you do though? I mean, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think- GG wasn't actually a big guy, was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any match for him, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :You don't have to be though. It's those crazy fucking skinny fucks like you got to worry about because they got nothing- They just go crazy. It's called &quot;retard strength.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rape me. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Wouldn't you? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retard strength. I think GG Allin and had retard strength from the get-go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :...I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. &quot;I want this. But he isn't- hasn't showered for days.&quot; That's torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :It's all fun and games till somebody starts throwing shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :Or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :Right. So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Yeah, right. I remember him touring and thinking, &quot;Huh, that might not be the show to attend.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Geeg. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :GG Allin. Or George- or George Michael.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Didn't the Secret Service visit you because of GG Allin?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story. That's why I asked which one. I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay, so I got the- I am, I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a Secret Service, and it was after GG Allin and wrote the &quot;Mission Statement&quot; for ''Naked Aggression''. He had also come up with a single- I think on the other one, but he has a single called &quot;Kill the President&quot;. And it is it was like, &quot;Kill the president fuck the pigs&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :Hey! that's a it's quite a concept. (Shane Bugbee: Right?) Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the Secret Service comes there to question me. And it was wild why- it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black. They had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, a kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped, and they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. I pop his trunk open, and this is before home computers now. I'm talking- this is before the big home-computer explosion. This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now. I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this. Rhere was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :Like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family [burden?] that they had the shit right there. And I was like, you know, it was- it was- it was there they had the tools, they had the tools to take you down right there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :Imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta magnetic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange, and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :That's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like national ID cards like they're used for now. Used- but they're not you know, used to identify- It was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you to to law enforcement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right? Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving, you get pulled over, you don't have any form of ID over a certain age, I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you, check- I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income [unintelligible] that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening? &quot;My Greek Wedding&quot;? I loved it. &quot;My Fat Greek Wedding&quot;? I'm fat, man. I love Greek openings- Are you talking about ass play? &quot;Greek&quot; as in ass play? I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was all those motherfuckers digging in each other's asses, [unintelligible] fucking 'em like fuckin' mad. I think-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :Well, that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends. (Shane Bugbee: What was that?) The definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :&quot;Wide.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :&quot;Gopher holin'.&quot; Ever hear it? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gopher hole&quot;?) Yeah, gopher holin'. And it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know you're gopher holin'. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole, you're gopher holin' on<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :I was just gonna say, is that one of your [https://web.archive.org/web/20210423054732/https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Doug%20Mesner accomplishments in the Urban Dictionary].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :I didn't- In fact, I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life. Putting in &quot;gopher hole&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Someday in a thousand years, all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster's soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :Instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be &quot;Doug&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :&quot;Gastronomic&quot;? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gastronomic&quot;? Speak up.) I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :Hmmm. Baking soda helps. Have you ever used baking soda and warm water?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :&quot;Worm water&quot;? What's that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> ''Warm'' water.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :You mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like a shot. (Crosstalk, Shane Bugbee and Amy Bugbee repeating &quot;warm&quot; and &quot;worm&quot;)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :It's that Gary, Indiana, accent. (Cross talk about smoking something from bag.)<br /> <br /> ==James Earl Ray's Brother==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :But baking soda and warm water will help my gas, like, better than everything, and you know who will agree with me on this? We hit it off famously after we said we [unintelligible] both you guys talking to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray James Earl Ray]'s brother on the phone.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :Nobody noticed you had gas yesterday. Yeah, I didn't know that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James Earl Ray's brother had- had we- we got along famously after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas problems.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :Yeah, that was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man. He was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James Earl Ray's funeral. You know, if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to- like to have done. And I regret not getting it do that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died, I called his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy ''accused'' of shooting Martin Luther King because I really didn't like Martin Luther King. I think he was [asking for it].<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother, and they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :We've been going on for hours about me. I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :And you brought up James Early Ray. I know that's not-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :You know as I look at you, I think &quot;gay&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Really?) Gay. Yes. I don't know why.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :No, James Earl Ray. Do you remember the stories-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :Amy brought up gay when she was looking at you the other night. She said, &quot;I just think gay.&quot; And now that's all I can think when I'm looking at Doug. Why do you why do you think &quot;gay&quot; when looking at Doug's eye?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :Hmm, I don't know. It must be [unintelligible] thing. Yeah. And the butterface discussions.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, it's the butterface discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :Yeah, and it says, &quot;James Earl Ray&quot; on it? You know it was some guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :You know it was. You know, they said it was a mistake (Shane Bugbee: Some fuckin' Klansman, fuckin' fucking with him.) No, no somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something. (Amy Bugbee: Or they smoked too much weed.) (Shane Bugbee: Amy, Amy...) Smoked the good one. The nugget-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :Thanks for bringing the fucking show [down]. (Amy Bugbee: Ohh nooo.) Now it's the Cheech and Chong Show. (Doug Misicko: The green.) So you're more fuckable- and I don't mean in the physical way. I could fuck with you more when you're stoned and I'm not. (Amy Bugbee: Are you playing GG Allin now or what?) Yeah, you want to play a song? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, we're not playing-) Which one? Well, we're playing &quot;Unrest&quot;, but we have a choice from here's some GG Allin this is off the CD ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks,_Faggots,_Drunks_%26_Junkies Freaks, Faggots, Drunks and Junkies]'', &quot;My Revenge&quot; (Amy Bugbee: Masterpiece.) Yeah, we can play &quot;My Revenge&quot;. &quot;Dope Money&quot;. &quot;Be My Fuckin' Whore&quot;. &quot;Suck My Ass It Smells&quot;. &quot;Dog Shit&quot;. &quot;Wild Riding&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :You have to play &quot;Suck My Ass It Smell&quot; in honor of Mark Gainers near-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Jeff Foxworthy, recording, with audience laughter  '''00:01<br /> :Because you see, it's about a friend of mine. He's from Detroit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. He's crazy. Why? If you dare him to do something, he'll do it provided the money's right. Jesus Christ. I remember the time we's in this pet store. We bet him a dollar he wouldn't bite the heads off fn them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he bit the head off a each one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw up. I said Jay, you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life. He said that's OK, I'm $3 richer too. And that was all that was important to him. Hell, I remember one time we was at this party, and we dared him to pee in the punchbowl. He did it. CJ can be a real asshole sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him. Because he could pee right on cue. Are you believing that shit? Cause if not you can kiss my ass. I guaran-damn-tee you it's true. ''(applause)''<br /> <br /> :I remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had VD for $10. He said hell, if you'll ''double your money''...I'll make love to her brother. He would have done it too - except we didn't have $20 between the six of us. Now why Jay did this shit I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got ''zero''. (Unknown speaker: This has been-) ''[audio cuts abruptly]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Doug, Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this alphabet show. I played Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck Alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:38<br /> :That man is not funny.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:40<br /> :And it's really stupid. (Amy: Oh really?) But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put ABC and alphabet and then whatever. But this is the ABCs of the alphabet or the alphabet of ABCs or the ABCs of filth and, or, the alphabet show, whatever- we don't really have a name it's a concept, and all our topic is, all we do is start this half hour internet talk show with the, a letter and this week or not this week but this show is the letter H. Don't look at my Hs motherfucking jerk, you're a cheater. (Amy: Good old H.)<br /> <br /> == Hot Karl ==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:16<br /> :Hot Karl.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :God dude, don't talk about my name on the weekends, don't ever tell people what you call me on fucking Saturdays again. The- you know the mics are on, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:29<br /> :Okay, well there's- right okay I gave away your stage name.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :(laughing) Hot Karl. (Shane: Amy.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :It's when Doug shaves my chest, he-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:40<br /> :Well actually there's debate as to what a proper hot Karl is.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:43<br /> :What is a hot Karl, and why are you all into the film stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You do have a hot Karl pin (Shane: I have all of them. It's like you- it's like you're ripping-) You have dirty Sanchez, you have felching...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :It's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words are from my own fucking pins and I don't like it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :All right, go ahead. You talk about, you talk about your hot Karl. (Shane: What is hot Karl?) How do you give a hot Karl?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :Listen I am a hot Karl. ''(all laughing)'' No, what is hot Karl, what is it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Hot Karl's a scat sex act, it's got to do with shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:12<br /> :What's with you, dude?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot peppers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :See that's the debate, the debate is: some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a Cleveland Steamer. Or as other people say a hot Karl is- is, got- Anyway you cut it, somebody's taking a shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody. ''(rustling noises)''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. (Doug: And then you-) And then this is a letter H for Hi. I'm sorry, Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:41<br /> :Well, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :You want to hit me? (Doug: No, no.) You getting mad? For interrupting you?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Karl. (Shane: Ah, dude.). Now it's when you- other people say it's when you leave, and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. Uh, I'm leaving tomorrow, you know. My train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment and no one would own up to it. They all blamed the dog.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot Karl, performed on you didn't you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:18<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill and it was a second storey apartment. So...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :That's- that's hot. As Paris Hilton and Nicole Richards say, that's hot.<br /> <br /> == Doug Misicko taking a revenge shit on a neighbor's doorstep ==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :I shit at a neighbor's doorstep before. (Amy: Really?) I lived in like this apartment complex, one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings that type. I was working late night shifts and this person playing music very loud all day and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6am, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:47<br /> :I don't understand were you beating on the wall just on a different time. Or did you beat on a wall ''because'' they played well (Doug: Because they're playing music.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :Because they play loud music, I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. The Odd Couple.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:01<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I shit on their doorstep and the loud music did stop I think they put two and two together. ''(distant train noise)'' And what was funny is it was kind of- <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee (interrupting) '''06:12<br /> :Horn! Train horn. H. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit and anybody could have driven by and saw.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :Did you use tissue or anything?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:25<br /> :I took a few with me and then I finished the job when I, you know. I wasn't, I guess I wasn't- I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the used tissue on the door also. That would have been- there would have been a distinct message to it. (Amy: Exactly.) I should have written on them beforehand, &quot;Fuck you,&quot; you know and stuck them. On the door.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :Why did you- what does this have to do with H? (Doug: We went from hot Karl). I know but you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I- Doug (Doug: It's a hot Karl!) Doug I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have her analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :I don't need to be ''anal''-yzed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:58<br /> :All this shit talk coming from Doug though, who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:05<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of hot coffee, hot, H. Ah, I know that's not the good H like hot Karl but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to- hear this? ''(slurping noises)'' I'm going to try to get as high as Amy but I don't know if that can ever be achieved (Doug: From the hookah.) from the hookah. Doug's disgusted, &quot;from the hookah!&quot;. Doug's straight edge, (Amy: Freaks!) Doug's straight edge and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubbles, dead-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:32<br /> :I like everybody getting high around me. It's cool. ''(faint farting noise)''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:36<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. (Amy: Was that a hot Karl?) We missed that for gas where I would have-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :Was that a busted Daisy? We learned yesterday.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. (Doug: Right.) And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the shit and anal stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not you know, I know that sounds like you know, &quot;Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your ass&quot;. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time. I think you have and you won't admit it. (Amy: That's why he's so obsessed.) You know the frozen hotdog story and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:07<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog, every high school's talking about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :This is H, we need some H stories. Amy, what are your H words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:17<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have hypocrisy, [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hohman+Ave,+Hammond,+IN,+USA Hohman], Hammond, Holmes and home.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :I love it. Well, what do you want to- you want to- you want to say, Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:31<br /> :HH Holmes. That's Triple H. (Amy: Exactly.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:33<br /> :Ah, we're sick of him. (Doug: Yeah, fuck him.) Say that guy is-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :He's been dead 100 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some- kids? Or something to go for. Some goals out there. Two- three hundred dead. H. H, anything else? Your horror, Whore of Horror. Speak up. Let's hear a story about whores or something from the whore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :Well, we watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:59<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:00<br /> :We also watched [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_(film) Head]. (Amy and Shane: Head!)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:02<br /> :The Monkees, Head, the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:05<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. ''(laughs)''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:09<br /> :Yeah, never seen The Monkee's Head. Doug just watched the tape. And this was the first time you've seen it. Doug: give an honest review, man. Head.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:16<br /> :I thought it was, well, I- (Shane, interrupting: The movie.) I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what year it was. But it seems well- Well, well before its time. It seems like, you know, something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant-garde. It kind of you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways, seems like it's going somewhere if you walk away you feel like you're gonna miss something, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:43<br /> :Sort of like the theme song that they have there. &quot;Just when you thought it over, the beginning might begin&quot; or something like that, that should be saw. And so did you have any respect for the Beatle, uhh, Monkees? Oh, bad note Beatles. Oh my god. I'm a Monkees fan too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:58<br /> :Well, before I saw it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Before you saw it, what do you think of the Monkees?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :No, I always thought what I heard of them, that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles something that... (Shane: What do you think after you saw that?) Yeah, they they obviously weren't, they obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot, at least the image that they were portraying before that a lot, you know, like I- what I made of the in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned and you know how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee (puffing) '''10:40<br /> :I'm getting high - for H. I do my duty, Doug: do you do yours?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like sub stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> ==Shane muses about circumcision==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :I like Head, in more than one way. Oh! (Doug: It was supposed to be-) Do you know what I found about getting head? Is that, and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head? (Amy: That's in.) No, we're talking about head and I'm comparing the two, I used to really love head but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis. And I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feeling, and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel, it would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think! I wouldn't- I will never know that but I really wish I could see my parents and I, you know, but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. (Amy: Yeah, it's a disgusting thing.) That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of hate and filth in the alphabet show that we're doing here. Which is, I'm Shane. Evil-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko (interrupting) '''11:46<br /> :And I'm Doug. (Amy: And I'm Amy.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:49<br /> :and I run Evilnow.com among other things, MikeHuntIsOnFire.com, ThreeRingRadio.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:55<br /> :And I own the domain name dysgenics.com (Shane: Well, actually), oh, (Shane: did you hear that explosion?) Yeah, there's something booming.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:02<br /> :Well, we live in Hammond, Indiana, (Amy: On Hohman.) on Hohman, and if you ever- have ever seen the Christmas story that's home in Indiana, which is really Hammond Indiana, he just changed the street name and stuff. And he being Jean Shepherd. But Amy, any Hammond stories? Hammond where we live- we're broadcasting now, is where A Christmas Story The movie is written about this is this is this is the area.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, Summer Story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good to, that, uh, Phantom of the Open Hearth-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:40<br /> :Who's Matt Dillon? (Amy: Matt Dillon? Drugstore Cowboy?)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:43<br /> :You don't know who Matt Dillon is? (Doug: I dunno) We are old. I think Amy, like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking in his Mama's womb or something. His daddy's ball sack.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:56<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen Drugstore Cowboy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :Have you ever seen The Outsiders?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:05<br /> :No, that was- no that was like what Junior High girls liked, I thought, wasn't it? (Amy: Yeah, it's a book.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :No, it's a good, it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior high girl, and if you say it I'ma fucking hit ya. H. (Doug: For hit!)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:16<br /> :You ever seen Over the Edge? That's a great movie. It's like his first movie.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Yeah, Over the Edge is fucking stellar, cult, man. (Amy:Really good.) He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:28<br /> :Sorry, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> Wow, Matt Dillon. I'm trying to think of a recent movie he's been in.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :Hey, high school. H, I bet you we all have good high school story. (Doug: Oh, fuck.) but we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play High on Fire. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:42<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:51<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> == Doug casually expresses hate for Jews ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:55<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion, ‘cause that would make it go over there...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :For Zion, or from Zion?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :From Zion.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it, How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the only one that didn't get picked, so-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :as a good we'll just play the whole CD and forget the fuck the H show. will play. Is that 1?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :1. Let's start with 1.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :Cool, High on Fire. And let me, let me, let you kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing too, a demo before- this was not released. So you hear an unreleased High on Fire. <br /> <br /> ''[Song: High on Fire - Blood From Zion]'' (- which is cut off abruptly after a minute)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :You, You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug this story about High on Fire. (Doug: Let me hear it.) Okay, so High On Fire they play this expo they're great musicians and Doug you've never heard High on Fire right? (Doug: Never.) So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal-ness and so I have to explain to him how God-like High on Fire is, so High on Fire. They write this album called Jerusalem, this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song it's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great album. But it doesn't impress you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :I'd have to hear it I guess. (Shane: I mean, but isn't that cool?) That is cool. I can see an album like that being good.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:28<br /> :Well, you're gonna hear some High on Fire right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:29<br /> :Well, that's one of the guys from High on Fire. Sleep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :Yeah, that was Sleep. That was the band Sleep. That's a different band.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :Matt Pike is like the leader of- <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:39<br /> :Matt Pike is a rock god, he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit man, he'll, you know in the history annals of metal or rock and roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players. And you're into the faggy, Skinny Puppy type stuff which Amy said the thing about Skinny Puppy is, the bad thing about Skinny Puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko (stuttering) '''17:02<br /> :Nah, nah, nah I proved heterosexual-ness right at the-(Amy: Yeah I said not many-)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :Maybe that's why you felt so strongly about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards industrial.<br /> <br /> ''[music restarts]''<br /> ''[Song: High on Fire - Blood From Zion]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:58<br /> :I'm gonna start that High on Fire song again.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :Well, uh, nice song.<br /> <br /> == The psychic ability of Matt Pike to talk to turtles ==<br /> '''Amy Bugbee (drowned out by music) '''22:16<br /> :Matt Pike told us what our turtle's name was. (Shane: What was that Amy?)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:18<br /> :Matt Pike from High on Fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:28<br /> :Oh, so the turtle told ''him'' what his name was.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:31<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtle's name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes and about a half an hour later, he said, your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:51<br /> :(laughing) Myrtle of all things. (Amy: She's been Myrtle ever since!). Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle? (Amy: I don't know.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:58<br /> :It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:02<br /> :All right. I don't I don't doubt that it's name is Myrtle. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:06<br /> :Absolutely.<br /> <br /> ==H is for Heil==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :Then he was right! Then he was right. (Shane: Heil). Heil. Yep, true. Hand in the air. Heil John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:17<br /> :Heil. Heil, Hitler. Hitler. H.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:20<br /> :I couldn't think of another H for that, just couldn't do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:24<br /> :It's such an obvious one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :What, you guys didn't have it? No. Are you- are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? That's so obvious. (Doug: It's typical.) Typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising. I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't it Amy? Not surprising? No, but what do you say Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:45<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Was it on your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:50<br /> :It's on my list.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:51<br /> :What else is on your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:52<br /> :High. Like I was getting at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:04<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept- What he did was every, every time I leave class, he'd take the history book, which was the thickest book. And he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And it's so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damage. As you can tell today. I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears. And so one time I took a belt and wrapped it around books. Something like one of my father my uncle would say that said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that, whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> == Doug commits arson in high school ==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :I once lit a pep assembly on fire and I did not get expelled for it. All those people. I used to get in trouble for most everything I did and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because they caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. This thing went up. ''[German marching music starts playing]'' And I thought, oh shit, it's all over. But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. (Amy: Wow, you never got caught?) It was the most amazing thing I never got caught for. But speaking about whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a in my high school...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:27<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing Hitler Youth songs underneath you, do you? (Doug: No, it's fine.) It's a good march there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Maybe I can tell a story then. (Shane: Marching, Doug, like this. ''[goose-stepping noises]'') In high school I used to have a swim class first hour. Yeah? And this was when I was like, yeah-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :He's like saying that because I get high. And then I, in high school. I always, if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls (Yes, I'm stuck in the 80s) all day. And you could just say I had a swimming class first period (Doug: and chlorine made you bloodshot, right?)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:58<br /> :(Shane: Yeah.) But anyways, I didn't do that. But we had this stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office and then we're all supposed to not get in the pool. Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance which was us lining up and calling off number. Every fucking morning we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> == Shane takes offence at the word 'fat', using the n-word ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:19<br /> :Hey. That's like saying nigger in front of a black guy. I'm fat. You can use, rotund.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :Pleasant, Pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said ''(shouting)'' &quot;JEREMY! GET OUT OF THERE&quot; (laughter) but it happened every single morning. They were so stupid. High school was all provoking people and getting in fights. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:57<br /> :High School was all about getting high.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high, and not going.<br /> <br /> == Shane's criminal past ==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:04<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So. And then I went back because I got well, I got housed. Let's put it that way. I got housed for a month and a half in a county jail, for residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because it looked good for court. (Doug: Oh.) And that was absolutely the way different experience. (Doug: Because it was a different school, right?) No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so serious after that. When you come back to school and they're just fucking kids and they're just fucking off talking about garbage. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids and I did not feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into you know, they make it hard to get a job, you know you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know- just because you don't want to go to school that's a bad person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko (sarcastically) '''28:10<br /> :Jail sounds like a great resource for our kids then.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:13<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson, now I walk the line but I don't break the law. I absolutely will not, that was a fucking definite learning experience and I fucking came out of there a fucking sober person, saying, &quot;you do that, there's repercussions for what you do&quot;. And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers: quit blaming other fucking people, it's your problem every situation you're in. Six weeks in jail will do that to you. During that time I broke- I had my pinky broken. Tried to punch someone I'm not much of a fighter and hit the concrete wall and my pinky broke because the guy was stealing my food and as a fat fuck you don't do that. I'll fight anyone for that. Fucking Mike Tyson takes my fucking corn or something and he's gonna-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :Eats your whole D<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:01<br /> :Yeah I'm gonna fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:04<br /> :You had your pinky broken in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:06<br /> :I broke my own pinky. Yes. Came out, I was in a cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, pinky what a gay fucking thing. Gay. Well, it's honest though. 26 seconds. (Doug: &quot;Hermaphrodite.&quot;) the ABC show next week is, what letter comes after H? (Doug: Oh, shit.) I. Eye, Doug. (Doug: Eye.) Doug, Amy, Shane, goodbye Evilnow.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:35<br /> :Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:36<br /> :WhoreOfHorror.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:37<br /> :See you. Ready, Amy? Is it over? next week I this was H. ABCs. ''[timer bleeps]''<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the I show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over, we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> ==Israel==<br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:44<br /> :<br /> <br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on nuking &quot;the Holy Land&quot; and setting fire to churches==<br /> 08:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :It's ignorant. And I have respect for ancient history and archaeology, but I would say make the fucking &quot;Holy Land&quot; to crater, a radioactive waste, and then tell them, &quot;Go to town. It's all yours. All you assholes. Fuck it. Solomon's Temple? Who gives a shit. It's just it's gone to fucking far. It's gone too fucking far. <br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Exactly. Fence off the whole country, and it can only be for tourists, you know, no one can live there or something.<br /> <br /> 09:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Yeah, free zone, UN, whatever. Martial Law! No- none of those assholes should be there. If people really are- have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with. (Amy Bugbee: Exactly.) Churches- churches are terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document, and it's ''stupid''.<br /> <br /> 09:27 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :''Ignite'' the church. <br /> <br /> 09:30 ''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 09:31 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :We need to ignite some churches. Here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptists. (Doug Misicko: Really?) it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the, uh, you know, like a ''dome''. Like a stadium.<br /> <br /> ==Inebriation stories==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :Yeah, that's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like, what, eight tracks and then do another CD. (Shane Bugbee: Exactly.) I thought it would have been cool if they did more.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing toda?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on The View and Network N-words==<br /> 22:15 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're doing the alphabet. We're starting each show with a letter, and just going- That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme. We bring up a letter, first word comes to mind, and we ''discuss'' this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black Negros and sit and talk about-<br /> <br /> 22:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :''Rotund''. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) We don't use the &quot;f-word&quot; in this house.<br /> <br /> 22:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Inflated&quot; for &quot;I&quot;.<br /> <br /> 22:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god, inflated? (Amy Bugbee: There you go.) Worse than- worse than fat. &quot;Inflated&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Right.) But like the five big flat- fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> 22:49 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Big- uhh, I think it's five big, big ''inflated'' Negros that discuss things on a show. I dunno, there's some morning show.<br /> <br /> 23:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I've never seen it. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, nevermind.) Is it &quot;The View&quot;?<br /> <br /> 23:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> 23:02 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Are they all Negros? <br /> <br /> 23:03 '''Doug Misicko''' <br /> : I think so.<br /> <br /> 23:06 '''Shane Bugbee''' <br /> Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> 23:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :She's a Negro. <br /> <br /> 23:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> 23:11 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yep. She's Jewish.<br /> <br /> 23:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :She's some- No, oh, uh, she's a- she's a network (Shane Bugbee: Idiot?) -nigger, is what she is. (Shane Bugbee: Right.) She was paid one time- she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity. Now, if that's not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. (Shane Bugbee: Exactly.) You know, she talked to him, and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered, nice man he is and everything else. And the guy's making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into, &quot;Everybody knew that smoking was bad for you.&quot; And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that, you set a bad precedent you should be stopped. Shane Bugbee: Or killed.) Had they not ''been lying'', it would have been different story. (Shane Bugbee: Or killed.) Right? (Amy Bugbee: What were they lying about on medical records?) Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that, It's up to them. (Shane Bugbee: Right) When they lie about it, that's a whole different story.<br /> <br /> ==On fatty foods==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :Same thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Italian Fascism==<br /> 26:46 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Tune in for the last five minutes- or 10 minutes of the F show, and you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> 27:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago, and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardone_Riviera Gardone Riviera]. And that's where [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittoriale_degli_italiani Gabriele D'Annunzio's house] was. Most people don't know who Gabriele D'Annunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet- (Shane Bugbee: Italian, &quot;I&quot;.) Yeah, Italy... So, we went over there- I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked- but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else. And the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, D'Annunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfelds, Colons, Dicks, and Bushes, but anyways, ''he lost an eye'' in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers, the Blackshirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackshirts original Blackshirts]. Those were the original ''fascists'', and Mussolini aligned themselves with him and them. And he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about them. D'Annunzio didn't like Mussolini, he was saying, &quot;You say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot&quot; — for &quot;I&quot;. And so when Mussolini came to power, right, D'Annunzio was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home, being that he spent their money like it was going out of style, It was ''beautiful''. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that- his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room, it was like it had like a coffin-<br /> <br /> 29:12 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh I ''love'' that- I've always wanted. And it's funny, you say that: I've always wanted to have themed rooms.<br /> <br /> 29:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :He had one where the+ the theme was severed hand. There was hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was- he was ''great''.<br /> <br /> 29:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a Q no J No. K. J. Evil Now.com.<br /> <br /> 29:38 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :TV Is God.com<br /> <br /> 29:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:41 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> : Only one. That's because of his ''addiction''. &quot;A&quot; show, addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ''Canned Audio: Sesame Street ABCs''<br /> <br /> 03:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy? How you doing?<br /> <br /> 03:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I’m doing just fine. Am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> 03:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> 03:24 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Uh-oh. It's the alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from Three Ring Radio and Doug from dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 03:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm...not here<br /> <br /> 03:37 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And the great artist from ''[[Might is Right]]'' too. That's Doug (Doug Misicko: Thank you.)<br /> <br /> 03:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, not really from ''Might is Right'', he really attached himself to something that was already moving, and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned with such a great book. I still can't figure it out.<br /> <br /> 03:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Soon to be a great artist for more than just (Shane Bugbee: Soon to be, exactly.) known just for Might is Right. And Shane got what? How many websites? (Shane Bugbee: I don't know.) Evilnow. Club Hate. Mike Hunt is on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> 04:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what else Amy if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> 04:23 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't want to overlook any you know.<br /> <br /> 04:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there aren't they? (Shane Bugbee: Sometimes.) Yeah.<br /> <br /> 04:31 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And then I do TV is God and &quot;The Whore of Horror&quot; or, &quot;Whore of Horror&quot;.<br /> <br /> 04:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We better get ''The'' Whore of Horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get it - you're fucking us. You're fucking us. (Doug Misicko: Fucking prick.)<br /> <br /> 04:45 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh it's the Alphabet Show and today's letter's what? K?<br /> <br /> 04:48 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Brought to you by the letter K?<br /> <br /> 04:49 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> 04:53 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K. (Amy Bugbee: Special K.)<br /> <br /> 04:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :K K K and you know we played some Johnny Rebel, but now we have an excuse to play Cajun Ku Klux Klan if we wanted to (Amy Bugbee: Excellent, let's do it.) Do you have any K songs, then Amy?<br /> <br /> 05:09 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I got Karma to Burn, but I think we could hear some- (Shane Bugbee: Some more Johnny Rebel!)<br /> <br /> 05:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some more of the triple K. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that a veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> 05:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :If it's a veterina- well, that's just PCP then, they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is.<br /> <br /> 05:30 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, it's like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably similar.<br /> <br /> 05:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, it's just gotta be PCP because that's what PCP is, is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> 05:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I’m pretty sure it's special K, isn't it?<br /> <br /> 05:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know. I've never- and like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> 05:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets-<br /> <br /> 06:02 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Bites the bumper leaves his teeth mark in it, shit like that?<br /> <br /> 06:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, gets shot five times and runs at a guy and rips his head off with his bare hands. Those are PCP guys.<br /> <br /> 06:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember taking- I smoked PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this- in this court, you know, [''makes car noises'']<br /> <br /> 06:29 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. Some easy listening tune and playing in slow motion, you're smiling-<br /> <br /> 06:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Something like fucking Ozzy Osbourne or something like that, you know, Crazy Train or something nutty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> 06:49 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :In a car full of guys with their eyes like ''wide'' open.<br /> <br /> 06:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just to, just to go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking for like three weeks. And I know there was a big riot everyone, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I'm- I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot break out. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me, we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PCP story.<br /> <br /> 07:26 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> 07:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not, we couldn't run away. I think it was, we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCP.<br /> <br /> 07:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I get it. I guess the real scary part of this, was you and some guy were holding hands. (Shane Bugbee: Yes. Yeah. Well that's-) It's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> 07:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like all of a sudden we look at each other's hands go. Ah! It didn't scare us the riot didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story for K.<br /> <br /> 08:02 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, how is PCP similar or different to crystal meth?<br /> <br /> 08:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, meth is an upper meth is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. (Doug Misicko: Forget it. I can't help you). You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommend an institution.<br /> <br /> 08:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I thought PCP was an upper. (Shane Bugbee: No, no! No, no.)<br /> <br /> 08:36 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's more like a hallucinogen.<br /> <br /> 08:39 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone- someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have, uh, extra adrenaline. (Doug Misicko: Okay...) but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say an animal tranquilizer. (Doug Misicko: Okay.) Crystal meth is an upper, like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. (Amy Bugbee: Mm-hmm.) Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. (Amy Bugbee: It was nice! It was fun.) She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me, I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm (Doug Misicko: Attracted to your opposite.) Yeah, I'm up, and Amy is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's- she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, Oh, I'd do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> 09:49 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive I'd murder somebody. (Amy Bugbee: ''laughs'')<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what, you know, just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and- I can't kill, you know it's, it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> 10:19 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't know- I think about, I think about murder a lot.<br /> <br /> 10:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. (Amy Bugbee: Which one?) I don't know you were saying how nice it was, before Doug interrupted, but it's not murder it's K, cunt, for Kill. (Doug Misicko: Killing.) Killin, with an -in not an -ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> 10:39 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know-<br /> <br /> 10:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :How about driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> 10:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving- me, Shane and Mike Diana, and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. (Shane Bugbee: To be on TV.) We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like, every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were goners for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> ==Discussing how Doug would prefer to murder someone==<br /> 11:31 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And now Doug I did say you would kill on crystal meth. Killing, K, ABC show.<br /> <br /> 11:37 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about m- I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> 11:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch and we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. (Doug Misicko: I think we were on the couch.) We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you- I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck- you, you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> 12:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I might. I might. I've gotten close to it.<br /> <br /> 12:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think so. Are you scared of yourself?<br /> <br /> 12:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Sometimes.<br /> <br /> 12:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You're afraid of yourself, Doug. (Doug Misicko: I dunno.) Admit it. You have a personality disorder.<br /> <br /> 12:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I remember one time I was just at a- I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for- we were walking around at night.<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Whole? (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) Here comes the whole Joel. Here comes the hole Joe. [''laughs'']<br /> <br /> 12:28 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're walking around this (Shane Bugbee: Make sure Joel hears that.) cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out there. (Shane Bugbee: Did you ever think a-) It's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> 12:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's hole?<br /> <br /> 12:44 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> 12:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fuckin' good old Joel.<br /> <br /> 12:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> 12:53 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical are we? Are we talking like, no law? Are we talking like, just what I'd want to do or- (Amy Bugbee: Preference.) what I could (Amy Bugbee: Your preference.) get away-<br /> <br /> 13:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right now what would you do now? Today.<br /> <br /> 13:05 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think would be the most enjoyable?<br /> <br /> 13:07 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Killing somebody with my bare hands, just bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just 'til the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wad of skin and meat you know, and crushed bone. (Shane Bugbee: [''laughing''] Ah, that's a good one.) You know?<br /> <br /> 13:19 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I think that's- bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, bludgeoning, or-)<br /> <br /> 13:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, but there's laws you're saying, she's saying most fun that's what you'd do.<br /> <br /> 13:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I'd do. In, in- respect to the law I would use poison.<br /> <br /> 13:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly, you have to do poison. And I would enjoy a poison kill anyway, I think about killing myself and I think poison would be- it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have, you know, if you know, they have to choke.<br /> <br /> 13:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> 13:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. (Doug Misicko: That's true.) I don't want- Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> ==Ricin==<br /> 14:04 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture, hard to detect. You know, they talk all about ricin now as a terrorist tool, but-<br /> <br /> 14:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like, in South Carolina. Their their their bush, their state bush is a leaf that's poison, and if you dried it out and made it into a tea it could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. (Doug Misicko: What tour?) (Amy Bugbee: Of the town.) We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) you know.<br /> <br /> 14:33 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> 14:40 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Ricin comes from just from castor beans. It's not hard. It's like, you know, it's a, it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. (Shane Bugbee: Really.)<br /> <br /> 14:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow. Where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> 14:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own ricin.<br /> <br /> 14:57 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And what do you do with ricin Doug?<br /> <br /> 15:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Ricin, you put it in some ways food or you make contact it's one of the, it's one of the most potent poisons.<br /> <br /> 15:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you do with it Doug?<br /> <br /> 15:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't do anything with it.<br /> <br /> 15:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Tell us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> 15:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[''laughs''] People, people could do that. [Amy Bugbee: Castor beans are-) And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is, it's, it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well, (Amy Bugbee: It won't kill'em.) it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and it's hard to do. It's a prolonged death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenics and they die. Coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on than people like to acknowledge you know (Shane Bugbee: oh yeah), I think it happens a lot.<br /> <br /> 15:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :If it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay. (Doug Misicko: Or you could make your-)<br /> <br /> 15:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital, I think there's something going on.<br /> <br /> 15:52 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yes, she told me about that.<br /> <br /> 15:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :So if I die, I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> 15:57 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh really? (Shane Bugbee: Yes.) Oh well- watch your back. (Doug Misicko: Well, well you can make your own-)<br /> <br /> 16:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's, uh, is character flaw with a K? No that's a C.<br /> <br /> ==Columbine==<br /> 16:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's fine. But botulin spores you can put your own botulism in people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> 16:20 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Columbine.<br /> <br /> 16:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't, I'm not very Columbine savvy. (Shane Bugbee: Klebold.) Which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair?<br /> <br /> 16:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> 16:33 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They're just like one entity, does it really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> 16:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have to, I think Amy's favorite is Klebold.<br /> <br /> 16:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. (Doug Misicko: Why?) I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, he looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> 16:59 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> 16:59 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> 17:02 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Okay, I get it.<br /> <br /> 17:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah I can't figure out, I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> 17:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You're looking at their unit?<br /> <br /> 17:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I look at them ''as'' a unit.<br /> <br /> ==The KKK and killing Jewish people==<br /> 17:15 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Alright. So weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, we were talking about the Ku Klux Klan. (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) Amy was talking about kikes during the- you know, when we were off the air, for K.<br /> <br /> 17:30 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K-word.<br /> <br /> 17:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think you said, &quot;Fucking kill the kikes&quot;.<br /> <br /> 17:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What does &quot;kike&quot; mean to you, Amy?<br /> <br /> 17:39 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Go fly a kike. <br /> <br /> 17:40 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Kike-y tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yes. &quot;Just do it.&quot;<br /> <br /> 17:50 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[''laughing''] I don't have any good KKK stories. I- (Shane Bugbee: No?) I gotta say I've never met anybody in the KKK.<br /> <br /> 17:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over. Andy.<br /> <br /> 18:07 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> 18:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me? I guess so, as long as he doesn't let me live through my miserable life, that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> 18:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And his wife were over. They're both active members in the Klan.<br /> <br /> 18:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, and they were cool. We watched- what do we watch with them? We watch any movies or did we just hang out? And watch Bum Fights? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, that's right.) Yeah we watched Bum Fights (Doug Misicko: Oh, that's funny.) and they were disgusted or the wife looked disgusted by it but they were, you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he ''was'' listen I'm talking past tense ''was'' a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the Klan, seems that, you know (Doug Misicko: There's &quot;Christians&quot; in the Klan.) I parted ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> 18:50 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the Klan do?<br /> <br /> ==Moving to Europe==<br /> 18:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, I guess.) What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups - that's from the ACLU to PETA to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. Shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> 19:26 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I tried. I fucking tried.<br /> <br /> 19:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Why can't you get over? You could have got over there.<br /> <br /> 19:31 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was ''there'', I- you can't get a job over there now.<br /> <br /> 19:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry, sucker. I get over there and fucking, I'll be over there man.<br /> <br /> 19:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was- I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> 19:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, I don't have any friends over there.) I tried to talk Amy into moving to Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> 19:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> ==Opposition to religions in public==<br /> 19:57 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck outta here, I can't handle these kinds of politics Kerry, Bush, Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have, they don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we ''don't'' have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in Three Ring Radio, we had spoke about the, in France, going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away. This other jamoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie. I don't know who's telling me what, I don't really care if I moved to France I'm not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling, &quot;Kill Christians&quot;. I ain't gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanists or any Buddhists or anyone. I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that.<br /> <br /> 20:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, I know recently in France, they were talking- they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No- no turbans, no goddamn little Jewish- (Shane Bugbee: Where was this at?) In France! No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps on their heads.<br /> <br /> 21:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I like that as long as it’s ''no'' religious stuff. Fucking none- <br /> <br /> 21:14 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :I'm with you. I'm all for it. I'm ''all'' for it.<br /> <br /> 21:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like like smoking in public- it's like smoking in restaurants wearing religious garb all over. It's offensive to me. I don't want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense ass. Fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public, either.<br /> <br /> 21:33 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head, every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> 21:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Rip the crosses off their necks. Stick it in their nose, their eye. Eye revenge.<br /> <br /> 21:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Stick it in their fucking eye, right.<br /> <br /> 21:48 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids so they'd learn better. Maybe if we did that with everybody, you know-<br /> <br /> 21:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly. (Amy Bugbee: A better society.) Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> 22:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Like, ooh, like the cubicle! K for cubicle.<br /> <br /> 22:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey, isn't that C? (Amy Bugbee: Well...) Today it's K?<br /> <br /> 22:10 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It was &quot;character flaw&quot; worked. Why not cubicle? (Shane Bugbee:You're right.)<br /> <br /> 22:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Got a point. (Shane Bugbee: Touché.)<br /> <br /> 22:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I had this theory about cubicles because we had this office where we lived before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep, I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is, the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of. A cubicle.<br /> <br /> 22:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking, I'd be saying- &quot;You're fucking typing fucking loud!&quot; You know? &quot;Jesus Christ. You're typing loud.&quot;<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I know how that goes. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I start getting pissy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> ==Visiting the KKK Museum==<br /> 23:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you say? &quot;Ma, turn down the fucking soaps&quot;? (Doug Misicko: &quot;Yeah.&quot;) (Amy Bugbee: He throws a shoe at his parents.) Are you deaf? (Doug Misicko: All right.) All right, Klan. When are you going joining you know me and Amy went to the Klan Museum when we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married to. (Amy Bugbee: On our honeymoon.) She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to. Beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> 23:32 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Montreal, or Toronto, wherever weed was legal or something.<br /> <br /> 23:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, right. So, so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the Rebel flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the Klan museum on our honeymoon. And the Klan guy like I called a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone number to call them said &quot;we're on my honeymoon&quot; and he goes &quot;well I'm closed but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids.&quot; Kids K, (Doug Misicko: alrighty) and he- KKK, Museum, and so he takes us down we go out there we meet them down there, opens the store and we're let in, it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs Klan-y is &quot;Honey, don't let him cheat you, get something for yourself&quot; so so Amy goes runs over gets a t-shirt, &quot;the night time is the white time&quot;. (Doug Misicko: ''laughs'') (Amy Bugbee: I love that shirt!) Tell him what else, tell him how they showed us the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> 24:27 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :John Howard, the guy who ran it his son, he's like what a sacred Cyclops or something? His son took us down-<br /> <br /> 24:36 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You gotta talk into the microphone, though.<br /> <br /> 24:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :From the movie ''The Klansmen'', you know what they say. What is that, an ordained Cyclops or something? He says-<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops (Doug Misicko: That's right). That was funny yesterday or the other day we're talking eye, E for eye. We're talking about Doug's missing eye. &quot;I'm not a fucking Cyclops. I have two eyes, just one's broken!&quot; Ah, that's fucking funny, dude.<br /> <br /> 25:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :So anyways, ''Raiders of the Lost Ark''.<br /> <br /> 25:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :The back room was like ''Raiders of the Lost Ark'' when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, Amy, go ahead.<br /> <br /> 25:14 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walking around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am.<br /> <br /> 25:34 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> 25:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :With Bush in office. I mean, Bush ''is'' the Klan. Those fucking people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over Bush. I hate I God I hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. (Doug Misicko: He's a retard.) Speaking of the Klan. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was, it was fun to go on our, on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely Klan song by Johnny Rebel. I think we can actually dedicate this one Amy. What was Andy's wife's name? (Amy Bugbee: Cindy.) This is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> ==Anti-Black Racist Song==<br /> 26:24 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> ''Editor's note: lyrics contain flagrant racism, slurs and narrative description of a lynching''<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Rebel_(singer) Kajun Ku Klux Klan] by Johnny Rebel&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :You niggers listen now<br /> :I'm gonna tell you how<br /> :To keep from getting torchered<br /> :When the Klan is on the prowl<br /> :Stay at home at night<br /> :And lock your doors up tight<br /> :Don't go outside or else you'll find<br /> :Those crosses-a-burnin' bright<br /> :Now I know you won't believe me<br /> :So I'm gonna tell you why<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :Is gonna get you by and by<br /> :I'm warnin' you that when I'm through<br /> :You're gonna change your tune<br /> :This story's 'bout a nigger<br /> :His name was Levi Coon<br /> <br /> :He walked into a cafe<br /> :He thought he'd get a bite<br /> :He thought that they would serve him<br /> :Since they passed the civil rights<br /> :The waitress told him no<br /> :And that he'd better go<br /> :He said, &quot;No ma'am, my Uncle Sam say<br /> :I don't have to go.&quot;<br /> :So he sat there in that cafe<br /> :Bein' stubborn as a mule<br /> :No matter what she said<br /> :He wouldn't get up off that stool<br /> :He sat there like a jackass<br /> :Said, &quot;I'm gonna demonstarate.<br /> :I came in here to eat, and<br /> :I ain't leavin' 'til I've ate.&quot;<br /> <br /> :The waitess had enough<br /> :She said, &quot;I'll call your bluff.&quot;<br /> :She said, &quot;If we can't treat you right<br /> :We'll have to treat you rough.&quot;<br /> :The phone was in her hands<br /> :She gave him one more chance<br /> :He wouldn't go, and so she called<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :When he saw them cajuns comin'<br /> :Levi knew it was too late<br /> :His eyes popped out his head<br /> :And his kinky hair got straight<br /> :He said, &quot;Oh lousy white folks<br /> :I didn't mean a thing.<br /> :Why did I have to listen<br /> :To that demonstrator King?&quot;<br /> <br /> :Now niggers understand<br /> :They tied up both his hands<br /> :He was at the mercy of<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :I knew just what they'd do<br /> :Levi knew it too<br /> :I knew what kind of torture<br /> :They would put that nigger through<br /> :Now the moral of this story<br /> :As plain as it can be<br /> :Niggers mind your business<br /> :And let us white folks be<br /> :You'd better heed my warnin'<br /> :And try to understand<br /> :Don't you demonstrate<br /> :Around the Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> |}<br /> <br /> 29:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :All right. Three Ring Radio.com - Evil Now.com - Whore Of Horror.com - Dysgenics.com<br /> And this is K in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for [''beeping'']<br /> <br /> 29:55 '''Singer '''<br /> :LMNOP QRS, T U V, W-<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ABCshow N<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section I==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on N-words== <br /> 08:36 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your N words, Doug?<br /> <br /> 08:40 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I have neighbors, Nazi…<br /> <br /> 08:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Did you say neighbors?<br /> <br /> 08:44 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 08:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Is that the other N word? (Amy Bugbee: *laughing*)<br /> <br /> 08:48 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Other N word? You mean be-<br /> <br /> 08:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That’s the other N word. Like &quot;nigger&quot;. And then you go, &quot;nigger&quot;, and the other N word is neighbors. They’re a nigger.<br /> <br /> 08:55 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why &quot;nigger&quot;! I didn’t think of that.<br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy’s uh, father gave us that one.<br /> <br /> 08:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :That’s what my dad says.<br /> <br /> 09:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What? He says &quot;neighbors&quot; is the other N word?<br /> <br /> 09:01 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :He says that &quot;neighbors&quot; is the ''other'' N word, yeah.<br /> <br /> 09:03 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> Oh, Right. Well... then what- what do you do if your neighbor’s a nigger?<br /> <br /> 09:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fuckin' hang him high. (Amy Bugbee: Sell your house.) Hang him high, OK?<br /> <br /> 09:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> : *laughs audibly into the mic* I also had ''news'', ''nurses'', and ''noise''...<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section II==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Fascist Neighborhoods and Hidden Heroes==<br /> 12:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I gotta tell you, the f-word still has 'em all beat. (Shane Bugbee: What?) F-word still has 'em all beat internationally. I go to other countries, I still see &quot;fuck&quot; on the wall. I never see &quot;nigger&quot; written on a wall.<br /> <br /> 12:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Interesting<br /> <br /> 12:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :When I was in Italy, I didn’t see &quot;nigger&quot; anywhere.<br /> <br /> 12:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :But you went to the fascist leader’s house. (Doug Misicko: Actually, I was in a fascist-) The guy who started the fascist-<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was in a fascist neighborhood, right outside the Vatican, and it was a real nice, clean area, but you would see swastikas spraypainted. You know, like the crosshairs. I don’t know what you call that, you know, but it was a fascist symbol. [https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/celtic-cross A circle with just the crosshairs in it]. With… little fascist logos or anything else. It was a clean area, ''nice'' area. If you went to the shitty side of town on the wrong side of the tracks in Rome, saw little hammers and sickles painted on the walls and shit like that. That was the difference.<br /> [[File:Sun cross O con noi o contro di noi.png|200px|right]]<br /> 12:54 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow, that’s crazy.<br /> <br /> 12:56 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think it says a lot, and I think it stands to reason...<br /> <br /> 13:01 '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :And you bought that T-shirt. What did your T-shirt say?<br /> <br /> 13:04 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Uh, in Italian it says “you’re with us, or you’re against us.” And it was- it’s a- It’s a ''fascist'' shirt. It was a ''fascist'' logo on it. I actually got it at a little fascist kiosk outside of Gabriele D’Annunzio’s palace.<br /> <br /> 13:19 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And who is that again?<br /> <br /> 13:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He was a- y’know- he was like the first fascist. He was the ''godfather'' of fascism. Italian World War One hero that occupied the promised territories, after the First World War. With the Blackshirts. One of those- One of those hidden heroes. People should look him up. Look him up on the internet... Good deal.<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section III==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Letter D */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Whoo ha ha AEC see Isaac is it oh so sad because I will see you soon as they decide so so the idea girls will all join together on the letter D ea, ea. T. Do you do at the end of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:37<br /> :the day di, di di Di Di, di you are gifted<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :Thank you. Jay Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay, you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:15<br /> :a good day<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Dog. Yes. Can't even hear you. Try it again. Okay. Oh, there we are. Very good. Amy. Hello. I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk in the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :We're reprised privacy. I wrote prettier. How do you say that? Reprising Yeah. We're reenacting our roles in the 911 broadcast right now. Refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time remember your rights here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :that, an order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show and bands that start with the letter A or B or C we really don't have a name but the alphabet show the alphabet show Doug says the ABCs of hate that you know how typical Phil? Phil how your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably worried so difficult. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :What was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it should be the ABCs without w is our world is a world without<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :W What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know they call the president? W<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :our world is dominated by W but it wasn't<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :speaking of a asphalts stripe CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking Hey, now see? See asshole. animosity, aggravation.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :And then sub phallic. Oh, hey, that's my favorite a word that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What does that word again? And then so phallic. Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :It's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the clap sets and little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :Happened to Princess?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies. Wow. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that is what happened to Princess kid. And a phallic Jelic<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Do you smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? A brain<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :couldn't tell you. But what does it what does that again and then so phallic. And I said a phallic? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :I got it. Well, we're onto another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :making up words. Doug's just fucking with true word medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, good stories. John. Dawg. You gotta get stories about NFL Vladik.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met, but if anybody's willing to sell me one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickle punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had was princes son.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they will know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. That starts with a yeah And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy and Amy, my favorite a word of off, Amy. Beautiful, Amy. You're sweet. Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running to the streets angry looking for a mad fix. zactly something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? No. So angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier good story. I think about something about Angel we said was we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, Well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything at all. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A S. and, you know, she thought she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She I don't know. Maybe if she higly I paid extra she may have that's why she was so filled out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, Well, maybe she get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town and these people, she was really disgusted by the it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ash. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just felt there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been Yeah. Or she had really long fingernails or something. She<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked at that trade said it was common that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty and a lot of the girls had figured that was they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty and sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta get anal story. Oh, okay. One time. I stuck a candle in the skies. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep? No, no, he<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was right away.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Okay, take your pants off if you wanted to get right all right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So so this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :Hold on. Well, I mean in chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. explaining it was I do like my ass work. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your boy you're eating nutty chocolate, I realized<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :was a born again Christian. I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the password. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :He I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :do you mean hot looking? No. I mean, it was frictions creating heat,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, Ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :it was cool. All that out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :The candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke up and inside of them. And I didn't tell them or anything. I just had to go eat poop it out later, but it probably had to go to the doctor for that. No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop dog think I gotta<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :ask. All right. Well, I've never had grass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess I guess you guys perhaps Perhaps you ever thought about it now?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Sweaty down below thinking about it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Now if it did I do it but it hasn't. So I haven't you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :there's the process. stayed up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :This right here. Male G spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :a gay man told me that before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about a gay man once told me and now I'm looking at you again. Exactly. Doug's given me the one brown eyes got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :it was a gay guy. Another<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :fucking beat your fucking Scullin like a goddamn white man. Where I live radio. I just told the whole email group to join in another gay man. That<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :was gay guy. DJ Oh, you know who used to date was Daniel Day Lewis. Anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :we'll save that for DS tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis get his ass worked. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :I was having a after hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, Hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true all you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Night Well, I hear a legend in urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. No, if you stop shooting loads sick pulls up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. Oh, really? Yeah, but friend of mine Monty claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves jerk you off. And tickle work your ass their finger. Oh, he claims I just don't think I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :i Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. That's why if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's my doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's man you can if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcraft nice t shirt. You got their fellow?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a John Ashcroft. Doug drew a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :really cool t shirt. He's an artist, a fine artist. I like to call him but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, non joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one I don't know. You stick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does that he does have one eye<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :but I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good Irish just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t shirt that we're going to be selling on three ring radio.com and evil now.com and dis genex.com and horror of horror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful a. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :the ego. So you're listening to it all day. Like,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? Michael Moore. All right, right. He's related to the guy in the process.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right Robert? grimston. Robert,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :right hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the PS Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it as craft as craft the parlor. That's the point I'm making. As craft. I just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :got to add I think is craft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen all of us. I don't know what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :We're Focht now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with like ask crowd isn't asked. Right. I don't have I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Do you pointed him he pointed all the losers as as Croft last elections Senator in Michigan Spence Abraham last fuckin election gets appointed head of the department of energy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :here it's playing right now I can't turn it down below me stop this. See that was as craft sorry go ahead I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine yes Croft was singing the world standstill and Ashcroft sings<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :as Croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing is the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned. Fucking hedge and De Niro<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :hanging with dog is like hanging with the goddamn teacher in my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So I could feel smarter than his friends. Okay. On<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, neighborhood Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ashcroft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit. 911.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. So what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Well, to hear it right now. Go ahead. We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs. Of Fate fill.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :Fill the alphabet show the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :alphabet show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while Amy's call it the alphabet show. Doug has the name the ABCs of filigree fuckery and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word. fuckery isn't it? Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :better go<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :motherfucker bitch fuckery is my word motherfucker. My word motherfucker and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :using dumb factory but fuckery to describe time foolery and you know grab ass what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tip when I was sucking your mama's tip before you are round by the use of fuckery motherfucker all right in all fuckery Yeah, that's my name of the show pure fuckery letter fuckery something okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you actuals as a play playing Doug Doug Hello. I don't know All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by shozy We're gonna have this shit taken care of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:01<br /> :to Golden Golden's.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:10<br /> :oh hi cheese never saw before Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:18<br /> :from rocky coast to Golden shores.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:21<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing pleadings<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:37<br /> :as the land beneath her sings.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:39<br /> :Only God love other kings. Let the mighty Eagles oh, oh.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:59<br /> :This country's far too young. She's still got to live<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:06<br /> :with God. No other kings. Let the mighty Eagles Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:20<br /> :no, she's cried a bit for what we've put her<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:23<br /> :through. She soared<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:27<br /> :above the lifted lamp. Guard sweet freedoms though. In the dues the dance the watch fires of a nation torn by Whoa.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:41<br /> :She's far too young to die. You can see it in her eyes. She's not yet begun to fly. It's time to let mighty Eagles the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:55<br /> :Eagles saw Oh Oh like she's never saw before Oh, from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:06<br /> :rocky coast to Golden shores<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:09<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing wanes<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:24<br /> :as the land beneath her says things only God<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:32<br /> :no other key things. Let them mighty soul Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :you've got to love the fucking John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:52<br /> :God loves them. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :Oh yeah. You see sung man at a press conference? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :you know the better a look at my list of A's is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. Not at all. Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pissy All right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of policy and he's very obsessed. They're not around with that is good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, get can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking Empire by now. Right? Right. I mean, he has too much fucking time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :I can't. That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 911 show last year on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first right? Yeah, you can't listen to we're history bitch. You're talking to Brian fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And Betsy Ross over here. We're history<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :Dolly Madison,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolly Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You're driving it something like that? I was. Yeah. What? Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have as you can see from my Rotunda bill, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any motherfucker going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it or is he's involved in the pipe trade glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like five $10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the rosin. And I mean, ami freaks out because I am a real fucking I've got a real bad addiction to weed when it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something as this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because I fucking knee these<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:59<br /> :things. cocaine, alcohol, mocking me these days.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel. Dude, I fucking need these things. I need these things. Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. And addiction. Well, you need like fun. Yeah. Well, sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You don't want it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship feed off, man. And it's more than<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :the ritual of it smoking Amy talked about the ritual of smoking is setting up the bong and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a doll blade. No. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :you're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for Wu.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that we only got five minutes left. How<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :long is your song? Two minutes and 44 seconds. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's Only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You that's the only time it's bad the addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for 24 hours show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without you know that it's it's fun when you have you know those things to come for you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. What do you mean when you look at me being addicted? Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call says come on over. All right. The booty call? Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :Here that ladies. That's Doug Ed. Pussy. I'm call on call. Dick. What's your website? Again? Dis Genex. Yeah, ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy cut. Oh. Oh, that was your brother. Sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. It is for me. It's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an attic until it's gone. When it's gone. You seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say I could use a fucking weed right now. Sure I can fucking use a joint was sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :Exactly that sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :y'all get on your knees.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''27:11<br /> :I need these things. You know what<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know everyone I've been surrounded with as an addict. So I've never been addicted<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :for a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for I pain. But when the pain went away and stopped smoking it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :it was a good medicine for you. Yeah, well addictions get bad because you really need so much I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke if I get an eighth. I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore and I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :oh god she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now she's gonna call these<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :we didn't cover abuse the other a word<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. Well, what's the name of the song public assist to play that for pee pee P we'll play it for p so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot wanted to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's it goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes you Dick It's hard when you're beaten on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink deck. My dork could talk about that for my hog. The problem with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> :abuse though is you got 20 seconds they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are by<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy Thank you. This Gen x.com horror of horror.com and evil now.com my consent feiyr.com and three ring radio.com Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week be. That was great. Yeah well I think it's gonna go great<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> 00:02 '''Cookie Monster canned audio '''<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> 01:24 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on Mike Hunt on Fire or Evil Now.com Mike Hunt on Fire.com, uh, Club Hate.com, Three Ring Radio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. The Whore Of Horror.com. (Amy Bugbee: That's me.) And our... acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug Miseecko- no, he's a good- I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> 02:04 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> 02:05 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> Mesi- Misseek? Oh- You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So, that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner. (Laughs)<br /> <br /> 02:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> 02:19 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> 02:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> 02:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner! It's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does Dysgenics.com. He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds worth of reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> 02:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You know, I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> 02:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss &quot;the A show&quot;, go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> 03:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :A is for &quot;addiction&quot;. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> 03:05 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> 03:06 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Cuz, I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> 03:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family, &quot;You know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies.&quot; They're good though. That's a tested- that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my... Well, I'm asking for it. But you know—<br /> <br /> 03:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :But they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> <br /> 03:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 03:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know about that, partner.<br /> <br /> 04:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> 04:01 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking- I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> 04:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> 04:08 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> 04:10 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 04:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though— (Doug Misicko: All right.) —before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> 04:22 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. (Shane Bugbee: Come on.) I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> 04:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> 04:38 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> 04:40 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> 04:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> ==Laci Peterson Cookies==<br /> 04:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> 04:53 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Lavender Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> 04:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> 04:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> 05:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> 05:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> 05:02 '''Amy Bugbeee '''<br /> :It's her ''favorite'' cookie. <br /> <br /> 05:03 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Laci- Okay, here's the deal with the Laci Peterson ''lavender'' cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation-<br /> <br /> 05:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered- (Shane Bugbee: Right.) -and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> 05:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> 05:36 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> 05:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Anencephalic.&quot;<br /> <br /> 05:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :(Laughs) But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death, they would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- (Doug Misicko: Oh.) -with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her— D- uh, er, killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent ah— Connor! That's the kid's name. Ah, &quot;C&quot;. Yeah, Doug, you mixed me, you mixed me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. (Doug Misicko: How'd I do that?) You explained who Laci Peterson was.<br /> <br /> 06:25 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> ==Cannibalism==<br /> 06:26 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 06:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you- I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. You have a healthy lifestyle. So ''that'' kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> 06:52 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> 06:54 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> 06:55 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though, at least.<br /> <br /> 07:01 '''Shane Bugbee''':<br /> Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000, man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> 07:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> 07:16 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> 07:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Long pork&quot;? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> 07:22 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> 07:22 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> 07:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> 07:34 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 07:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect ''and'' hate. <br /> <br /> 07:42 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> 07:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> 07:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at, I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people ''no problem'' and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> 08:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be Y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought &quot;Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism.&quot; You know?<br /> <br /> 08:19 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to... I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think- I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I... I don't know.<br /> <br /> 08:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad#Effect_on_the_city Stalingrad]'' (sic). During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, there's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> 08:54 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 08:54 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti-cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> ==Chicago Cop Stories about Cannibalism in the Projects==<br /> 09:00 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say &quot;Oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.&quot; And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'— [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%E2%80%93Green_Homes Cabrini-Green]. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of ''Candyman'', Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in &quot;C&quot; the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini-Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> 09:34 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> 09:37 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Oooooh, I'm getting spooked by C... Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects, and they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub, and they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies, and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> 10:01 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the— (Amy Bugbee: ''Now''.) —the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The— (Amy Bugbee: The Historical Society?) —Historical Society. And you can- this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude, and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the ''real''... keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not- I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true, to the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just- that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their... own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> 10:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Waste not, want not.&quot; <br /> <br /> 10:53 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> ==Cannibalism, Chikatilo, Donner Party==<br /> 10:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo Chikatilo]. Cannibal. C.<br /> <br /> 10:56 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> 10:57 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> 11:01 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing, and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news, and I was spray painting all over the town. &quot;Chikatilo&quot;, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> 11:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> 11:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Communism&quot;! C. &quot;Chikatilo&quot;. C. &quot;Cannibalism&quot;. We are &quot;C motherfuckers&quot;. CCCP.<br /> <br /> 11:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Pumping out all the Cs.<br /> <br /> 11:23 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner Park before but that's D. But they were cannibals!<br /> <br /> 11:28 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Cannibals! They- cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner Park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> 11:34 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner Party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane, and he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know. (Laughs.)<br /> <br /> 12:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> 12:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> 12:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> 12:22 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> 12:27 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> 12:29 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Cemetery&quot;. C.<br /> <br /> 12:31 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> 12:35 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> ==Cunt==<br /> 12:35 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> My favorite &quot;C&quot; is &quot;cunt&quot; and I just love saying &quot;cunt&quot;. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think ''Sex and the City'' and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six— Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a &quot;cunt-tree&quot; in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever- next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets- they had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. (Amy Bugbee: Oh that's right.) And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the c-word was the way I said &quot;Oh the Cs though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.&quot;<br /> <br /> 13:28 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> 13:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> 13:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You know, a book was put out called ''Cunt''. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> 13:41 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. (Doug Misicko: All right, I mean, right.) I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> 13:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's great. <br /> <br /> 13:49 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :When my dad was also-<br /> <br /> 13:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna- every time a C-word is gonna come up, any word. &quot;You know, there was a book called ''Demented Eggs''. You know book-&quot; You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus. (Shane Bugbee :Oh!) They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :They don’t though! Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about- (Shane Bugbee: No, they don’t!) :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :We’re talking &quot;Coloreds&quot; at the letter C. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really Black neighbor with a Black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. &quot;Heyyy,&quot; and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 ounces to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-<br /> <br /> 14:43 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :He was the white chap. C.<br /> <br /> 14:44 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me &quot;Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. But us Black- us ''niggas'',&quot; as he said-- &quot;niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy.&quot; And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and &quot;We don't eat pussy, motherfucker.&quot; That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway-<br /> <br /> ==Crispy Critters==<br /> 15:13 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :When my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them &quot;crispy critters&quot;. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> 15:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her ''cornflakes''— &quot;C&quot; — and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about &quot;crispy critters&quot; — &quot;C&quot; again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore... of horror.<br /> <br /> 15:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus? (Shane Bugbee: Me?) Yeah.<br /> <br /> 15:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I couldn't- I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> 15:56 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :You couldn't ''chow'' on that. <br /> <br /> 15:57 '''Shane Bugbee ''''<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it, fondly-<br /> <br /> 16:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> 16:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I was- I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> 16:04 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> 16:05 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> ==Cockroaches==<br /> 16:08 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just a little afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole Black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time— ''cockroaches''. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement-basement. It was like a half built basement? And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light— in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the ''whole wall'' was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the coloreds- cockroaches — all 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day... Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said &quot;colored&quot; the wrong way. Did I say &quot;nigger&quot; and not &quot;nigga&quot;? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye. (Amy Bugbee: I burped. Excuse me.) Oh burped. B. That was ''last'' show Amy — but the wall moving — and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr— and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> 17:45 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> 17:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> 17:48 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 17:49 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> 17:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them ''bolted''.<br /> <br /> 18:06 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> 18:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but-<br /> <br /> 18:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat 'em too.<br /> <br /> 18:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for— That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires, and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm-<br /> <br /> 18:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd just ''snack''. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> 18:33 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I'd probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> 18:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> 18:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> 18:47 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> 18:49 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. (Doug Misicko: Mmm.) Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> 19:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> 19:06 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> 19:07 '''Doug Bugbee '''<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the &quot;C&quot;.<br /> <br /> 19:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. &quot;C&quot;, bitch. <br /> <br /> 19:20 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> 19:21 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> 19:28 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. C. Double &quot;C&quot;. And the song is &quot;Come Down Here&quot;. Another &quot;C&quot;. <br /> <br /> 19:36 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> 19:36 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I liked The ''Cocks'' better<br /> <br /> 19:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolting_Cocks RevCo's] great. <br /> <br /> 19:39 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :That starts with &quot;R&quot;.<br /> <br /> 19:40 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> 19:40 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu-<br /> <br /> 19:43 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> 19:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> 19:48 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We're low on the Rs, okay?<br /> <br /> 19:52 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes, and she took over when we did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, record player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes. Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> 20:10 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :&quot;Come Down Here&quot;.<br /> <br /> 20:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow, &quot;cunnilingus&quot;. I got- we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> 20:20 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> 20:23 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> ==Chris Connelly song break==<br /> 20:24 '''Canned Audio'''<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Connelly_(musician)#Solo_discography Come Down Here] by Chris Connelly&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :beyond the softward silence shadows midnight mind<br /> :the warmth appeared in seconds like the dark<br /> :a trail of swollen fruit leads to a higher kind<br /> :lips and lovers' limbs begin to part<br /> :search and you shall find<br /> :what you want take what's mine<br /> :breathe in the air<br /> :of the hour we were there<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> :I disappeared between you many times before<br /> :and every single time I never leave<br /> :awake with you and stranded on another shore<br /> :too dreamlike and delirious to believe<br /> :bring in the night<br /> :and the moon and the light<br /> :shake off the day<br /> :you were born and I'll stay<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> :close to the skin<br /> :shut your eyes we begin<br /> :fall like a leaf<br /> :onto me in your sleep<br /> :in the middle of the magic is a perfect flower<br /> :in the heat of the moment is a flame<br /> :it all comes real to me to you in a secret shower<br /> :and blends the blood inside til we're the same<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Laci Peterson Cookie Recipe==<br /> 25:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for &quot;B&quot;. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> 26:24 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :All right. It's the Laci Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's ''bound'' to have it. All right.<br /> <br /> * 5/8th cup butter<br /> * a half cup sugar<br /> * one egg<br /> * a tablespoon of lavender flowers<br /> * one and a half cups all-purpose flour<br /> * And sugar, powdered sugar<br /> * And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. <br /> <br /> :So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they ''gotta'' get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. <br /> :<br /> :Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> 27:39 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> 27:41 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> 27:43 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> 27:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me-<br /> <br /> 27:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :It wasn't enough, at least.<br /> <br /> 27:50 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial. And you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. &quot;C&quot; for condolence. This is the &quot;Alphabet Show&quot;, the &quot;ABCs of Filth&quot;, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evil Now.com.<br /> <br /> 28:21 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I'm Amy from Whore Of Horror.com, and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> 28:26 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :And this is Doug from Dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> 28:28 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug Mesner... with two Zs.<br /> <br /> 28:32 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> 28:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :(Laughs) Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> 28:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We never even got to ''converts''.<br /> <br /> 28:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? (Amy Bugbee: Somebody.) Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot ''Christians''. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play- I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, ''cunts'', cocksuckers...<br /> <br /> ==Cocaine==<br /> 29:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> 29:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh! I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> 29:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story, too.<br /> <br /> 29:18 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> 29:28 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Oh, I guess it is.<br /> <br /> 29:29 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like.<br /> <br /> 29:32 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> 29:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. (Doug Misicko: I did have a friend.) I had a friend that gave me that today. Said, &quot;Hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs.&quot; Amy. I think in a past life was a coke whore. Because she's like, &quot;I'll take that motherfucker.&quot;<br /> <br /> 29:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was never a ''coke'' whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> 29:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for ''dickhead'' and ''dumb''. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now. We're just gonna start banging them out you know so we're gonna Amy... a couple of seconds, and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [recording: ABCs of the Bible]<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''00:34<br /> :(interrupting)You gotta love this, Doug. Doug? I'm calling you. The ABCs of the Bible.<br /> <br /> [assorted mumbling and Bible quotes]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:01<br /> :Okay, we're gonna stop that song, it sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy, (Amy: Hello) and Doug. (Doug:Right.) We're working on- it seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter. This week, or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows will play them. But this show is D. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows A, B and C he missed Anal. Some good anal stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby stories, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. Who started last time? C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies, A was anal... (Amy:I think Doug has to start D). Oh, you're right. I forgot we have Doug and the D. Dick-headed Doug is his technical nickname 'round here.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :It's so it's my letter. (Shane: Yeah.) God damn right. (Shane: Well, I got G.) Right. Right, right. (Shane: Damn it.) Damn right. So I got another highfalutin' word like I had for A (Shane: You're such a dick.) But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? (Doug: I don't know! I know these words.) Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call, &quot;Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago,&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :And believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I I have this in my head. Anyway. (Shane: What do you mean Believe...what the fuck-how the fuck are you-)(Amy: Who do you think we are?) Well I didn't consult a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You know what for later? We're going to have for I. We're going to insert a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> ==Doug misunderstands the word &quot;defenestration&quot;==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Anyways, defenestration is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt (Shane: what is defenes- what the fuck?) defenestration is when you jump out of a window, (Shane: Why can't you just say jump out of the window? Or crazy motherfucker?) Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say, if you say it in one word he died of defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :(Shane: Where did you find out about this word?) They never say how people died in obituaries.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:34<br /> :But if you were gonna write an obituary, perhaps it'd be a eulogy?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :No, if ''you'' were gonna write an obituary, where did you find out about this word though, really Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. (Shane [shouting]:You know! You know.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :You know, Doug reads dick-, the dictionary while he's sitting around-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:48<br /> :I know Doug knows dick, but uh-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:52<br /> :Anyways, he steals a skull out of a crypt in France, and he crotches it to get out it was one of those. (Shane: This is a story about your friend-) Yeah, the drunken Murphy(?) jumped out of a window. Yeah, but (Shane:-and his defenestration?) Yeah. But he had this skull. And then (Shane: where is this at?) this is in France, he went to France, and he figured out like this skull, but it's on a crypt tour, so he has to crotch it. A fucking skull. You know? As you know, they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:22<br /> :And this is a drunk. Yeah, that's the drunk we drew on his- D, for drunk. We drew on his face with markers when he passed out (Doug: yeah, he passed out-) and he's a total dick. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the defenes-d-d-d-d-d.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Anyways, he got roaring drunk that night in France. (Shane: What a dick.) And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two story window.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :And where's he from? (Doug: Detroit.) Wow, he's got the four Ds going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with Dick drunk defeneration ''(sic)'' Detroit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:02<br /> :Alright, and right. I too am from Detroit. So it stands to reason. (Shane: Yeah.) (Amy:Doug from Detroit.) Yeah, it's every bit as foul as they say it is. (Shane:Detroit.) Oh, fuck yeah. It was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. (Shane: Oh, another D!) Full swing. Oh, no, they burn they burn that city down every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons one, but you were just telling me I didn't even hear the news. Nine people got shot.<br /> <br /> ’’’Shane Bugbee  '''06:34<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:40<br /> :Yeah, it was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burn down-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:43<br /> :Maybe eight years ago, huh? It was a you know what I mean? When me and Amy was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit and there was shit that was on fire. And it wasn't no Devil's Night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something and fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :Or shit was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be nothing left to burn in this fucking place? (Shane: And it's not just Devil's Night.) Oh, no. It is like arson capital? It's where it's at. (Shane: Fucking jeez.) I mean, but sometimes I've heard different stories, I've heard sometimes it's people collecting. I don't know, like the landlord protect, you know, collecting property value somehow by burning this place down, or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shit on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:38<br /> :Hey, I saw the Eminem Eight Mile movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:44<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:51<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the coloreds?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> :Yeah, the place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Fuck it. They should carpet-bomb it and start again.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :What's your D word? Amy or D- you got a neat thing to throw out there D-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :Death, drugs, doom and Dennis doll(?)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:09<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over drugs with addiction. So why don't you do death? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website Whoreofhorror.com. There's some really fucked up- Amy's tales of woe on there, are some really fucked up stories and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, are the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shits that she's in the real. Amy lives in the real man, (Amy: In the now, as Charlie says.) I say in the real. All right, motherfucker, don't correct me. corrections on, C, it's the real, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay. Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped on 'till their brains popped out of the top-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:28<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex boyfriend, hey?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how big her friends are what they do. They better kill me or I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:49<br /> :You know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book: &quot;Dead People I Used To Know&quot;-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :Great story. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea for a book! (Amy: because, I know somebody-) it's gonna get stolen now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:02<br /> :Do you think people know enough dead people to fill a book?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :They'll lie. It's some cunt like Jim Gonales(?) to his still- (mocking) &quot;dead people I used to know&quot;, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that C for cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:15<br /> :Oh, I gotta good one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because I did a search-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :Ooh book story, I'm sorry to interrupt- Dead People I Used To Know, that's a book Amy's going to work on. (Amy: I'm working on it.) Yeah, right. She's working. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top of my head?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple hundred I probably know quite a few dead people.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :A couple hundred is exaggeration. (Amy: Okay, 100.) I mean, Amy does know- how many how many of your girlfriends have ended up in the lake over here? (Amy:A couple.) two or three right (Amy: couple yeah, in Wolf Lake) No shit man, we'll read a paper or story. There'll be something on the news. There was a girl found up in the lake, Amy will go, &quot;I bet you that's one of my friends&quot;. And sure as shit, it is. This is the killing fields out here. That's Cal city, the Calumet region. (Amy: Right. Just south of Chicago.) So talk to me, Amy. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> ==Murder of Ernest Graves by Eddie Niksich==<br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Well, we recently, Shane had a friend over from Serial Killer Central. And we were talking about (Shane: SKcentral.com. Joe). SKCentral.com, and we were talking about serial killers in this area. And there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid. I knew this family, the Niksich family. In fact, I dated the youngest Niksich in junior high, but the oldest one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew Pee Wee, who was like this hat guy who never went to school ''ever'' in his entire life. I think he dropped out in second grade. And he owed Eddie Niksich and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Niksich his friend and his friend's dad, kill, Pee Wee and the guy he's with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, hey, how you doing? They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend (Shane: who is this now? The dead friend is Pee Wee?) Pee Wee Graves. Fitting name, huh?<br /> [ [https://law.justia.com/cases/indiana/supreme-court/1992/45s00-9012-dp-812-4.html More information about the murder] ]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest Graves, is his real name. (Shane:Hm, that's cool.) I always knew him as Pee Wee, and when they got caught, of course, you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk. Of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight- eight girls and dumped him in Powder Horn Lake so he turned out to be a serial killer. (Shane: fu-ucked up. Death.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:59<br /> :So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed, not the serial killer.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :I knew two of them. I knew Eddie Niksich one of the killers. And I knew Pee Wee the kill-ee, as it were.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:11<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:17<br /> :That's funny deal. You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for that one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:25<br /> :I know, you put a Dirty Sanchez on both of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths. I saw- I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was, you know. Oh! (Doug:Really?) As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I poke at the... You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face I'd like poke the cheek. And I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it cracked it all cracked apart. And I ran I run up the stairs-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :Cracked how, like the makeup coming off?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :Right, right. Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked. I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like oh my god, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years, seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and- I'll talk more about the funeral home in F, in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the makeup. It was so much makeup caked on there. That that cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My uncle's like, &quot;what happened Who touched-&quot; you know, &quot;who did that?&quot; And you know, I said I ran into him with the flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and when it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover the reader and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever, they call my parents to say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's I can't top Amy's death stories.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :With you. There's death D. Dana Plato.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:19<br /> :Yeah, Dana, why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:24<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:26<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that book and CD I did. And I left it behind. That's why I did that book, and CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people- Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking tens of thousands of dollars from Extra and the National Enquirer and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job. So when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I- What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question? It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to befriend, someone. And then. And then- I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential, great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had. She started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her and she really wanted to live that life. And she's full of that and had potential to do something cool. And do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life. So I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? (Doug: No.) Do you want to know about that. I mean,-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never- I didn't really know her I didn't you know, I don't know what she- I've never seen anything she was in or...before my time, I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:21<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, yes I'm a little older than you, I grew up watching Dana Plato on TV and she was about- probably a little older than older than me. But she was (Amy: On Different Strokes) on Different Strokes. And I'd seen that it was like a (Amy: D.) pre pre-pubescent type of, D, yeah, Different Strokes, right. It was a pre-pubescent type of love affair, TV love affair. I think I whacked off to her one of the first whack offs I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring her up to Chicago to get her top off on the internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book a coffee table book of memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as well.<br /> <br /> ==Dirty Sanchez==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato. No, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in her butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger in your own ass and then smear it across her upper lip? Or does it matter?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:45<br /> :Are you asking me?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:46<br /> :Yeah I'm asking you, I thought you were the Dirty Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that. I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a prostate rub once in a while has nothing to do with humiliation and degradation, degradation or you know gross. Can you imagine-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Oh I thought it was a mixed drink Dirty Sanchez?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:09<br /> :I would imagine a Dirty Sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:15<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:22<br /> :Oh on A or something like that? (Doug: Yeah, further back.) yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. (Doug: Yeah.) You know serve and protect man you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rubbing under your nose.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:39<br /> :Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :What song we playing Amy? You gave me a song here. What is it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Die Warzau. [''incorrectly pronounced'']<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any Venom in the mix? (Amy: for V!) All right, well, Amy's a pretty good DJ I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say Die Warzau all you know-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:00<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another D song for E because I got nothing for E (Shane: Eazy E!) Oh there we<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :Oh there we go! (Shane: Easy motherfucking E! E that's what I got when I look flip on page E it says Ed the Creep and E easy motherfucking E and of course my favorite subject Eagle here, Die Warzau a good song I think right? Alright, enjoy the song kiddo.<br /> <br /> [''music: &quot;Liberated&quot; by Die Warzau'']<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :Yo! Song ended pretty abruptly. Let's go we're- that was Chris Connolly was it? Or no. (Doug and Amy: Die Warzau). They sound the fucking same to me... gay and Doug loves them. And that the letter is D and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing, where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:09<br /> :You know what I wanted to ask you too? I don't know if you'll be able to cover it in time. The fucking door you had a story, somebody's trying to bust down your door.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:20<br /> :We'll- use that for another one, break-in, or robbery or something like that break-in. I was gonna say dad, but I can't- I don't know, door. I'll go door fuck it. Door. Amy? You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door. Remember? Doug wanted to talk about it? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home of the fucking asshole cunt, dirtiest pot, dirty, D, dickhead politicians. They don't do anything here- anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. I come and, talk to Amy about it. And she says Oh yeah, the guy was creepy. You know he's over here over there. I shut the door, lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuckin' and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the door and go, the fuck do you need? And he goes oh, you know like he was &quot;I-I- was looking for some kids&quot;. He walks away while I call the fucking cops. Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond dickhead cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like Rodney fucking King. It was, it was great to see because the asshole tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass and the guy fought back a lot. So there's the door story. How do you like that door? There in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:05<br /> :Yeah, good for the winter. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:08<br /> :Well, I have a hole in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat here, I wonder why I got a walking case of pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom. And then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. (Doug: So you get this breeze from the doors.) Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D -boring. I wanted to say dad, or my brother Derek or one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up, my real like my father was my father but my dad was Steve Dahl. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a Dahl.com D A H L you'll see. He's the guy who did oh, Disco Demolition. He's the guy who did that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager. 10 years old or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco records. Disco sucks disco sucks. So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco. And he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there everyone's smoking weed and he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man known as a DJ but he's nationally known and rare. Wango Tango is playing right and Ted Nugent big speakers. And they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil now.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy Whoreofhorror.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:33<br /> :Doug dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked, we'll be playing some Eazy E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:40<br /> :no more industrial music till P.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life Amy. Whoreofhorror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some ''[audio cuts out]''<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==Eazy-E Song Break==<br /> 17:36 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Muthaphuckkin_G%27s Real Muthaphuckkin G's] by Eazy-E&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> 00:00 '''[singer]'''<br /> :A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> 01:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah ABCs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth! Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug Misicko:: E!) Oh, I guess (Amy Bugbee: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter ''E''. And now we're on F. And this is a show- what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind - F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with &quot;fat&quot;. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E, Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about. Was good conversation. Amy, F. What do you have for F, I have I have my man &quot;Farrakhan&quot;. &quot;Fat&quot;, of course, that's, that's my middle name. &quot;Fucked up&quot; - I like to get, and &quot;failure&quot;. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. &quot;Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising.&quot; I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> 03:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> 03:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> 03:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> 03:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> 03:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> 03:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> 03:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> Would that be a &quot;Feud&quot;?<br /> <br /> 03:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like, &quot;Leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> 03:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit (Shane Bugbee: There's no reason.) - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> 04:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> ==Felching==<br /> 04:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> 04:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> 04:20 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is.<br /> <br /> 04:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug Misicko: All right). Isn't that it?<br /> <br /> 04:33 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> 04:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, and you would cum inside the ass, and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> 04:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That well- I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...?<br /> <br /> 04:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> 05:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turn-on to people.<br /> <br /> 05:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing ''Clerks'' where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, &quot;What's a snowball?&quot; It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, &quot;oh, dude you've done that?&quot; You know, it's it was in ''Clerks''. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug Misicko: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on snowballing==<br /> 05:31 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> 05:37 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth.<br /> <br /> 05:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> 05:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> 05:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first, you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> 05:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night, ''Bully'', and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug Misicko: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says &quot;Son, I have an electronics store for you,&quot; and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> 06:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> 06:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> 06:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> 06:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> 06:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> 06:24 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> 06:28 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right. That would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> 06:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ah ha! You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> 06:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra, I guess.<br /> <br /> 06:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy Bugbee: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> 06:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> 06:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter-fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter-fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whore Of Horror.com.<br /> <br /> 07:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> 07:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug Misicko: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug Misicko: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done, his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whore Of Horror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here. And I'm Shane, Evil Now.com Among other things, Michael, Mike Hunts On Fire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> 07:54 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Not much good. (Shane Bugbee: Not much good?) I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat, food, force, fiends, fuck, factories, fist fire, and fill.<br /> <br /> 08:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> 08:12 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced, either/or.<br /> <br /> 08:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> 08:19 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire stories==<br /> 08:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy Bugbee: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> 08:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother- this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policemen had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her. And I mean it's a closet, you know. You would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet, but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> 10:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> 10:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug Misicko: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> 11:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane Bugbee: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> 12:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> 12:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Ya know.<br /> <br /> 12:23 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> 12:25 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire- fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie ''Backdraft'' once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> 12:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> 12:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like, &quot;God, what the fuck is this?&quot; You know, and Amy's like, &quot;Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends.&quot; And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke. Crazy. Cra-zy man, crazy. <br /> <br /> ==Arsonists==<br /> 13:29 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> 13:32 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> 13:34 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist. They think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says, &quot;Well, he's probably a fireman. You know...&quot;<br /> <br /> 13:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> 14:03 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old- old news.<br /> <br /> 14:16 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane Bugbee: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> 14:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about &quot;food&quot; and &quot;fat&quot; these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have — not an addiction but as a definitely comfort — I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and ''good'' food. I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> 15:30 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> 15:35 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We actually have two. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_of_the_Nephilim Fields of the Nephilim] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_No_More Faith No More]?<br /> <br /> 15:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> 15:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim, I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug Misicko: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing...?<br /> <br /> 16:02 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right...[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton Mike Patton]?<br /> <br /> 16:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down, and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> 16:09 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :So if it was Mike Patton, Faith No More would've been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> 16:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim. Not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> 17:05 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCoy Carl McCoy].<br /> <br /> 17:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> 17:08 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Number eight, &quot;For Her Light&quot;. F.<br /> <br /> 17:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh look at you. &quot;For Her Light.&quot; (Song begings to play.) :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> ==Fields of the Nephilim Song Break==<br /> 17:14 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizium For Her Light] by Fields of the Nephilim&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> He said, how lonely you are<br /> Waiting at the Sunday Park<br /> I'll elude you I will lose you<br /> Existing we're no soul apart<br /> You stand, stand on a platform<br /> Your effigy dissolves in my hands<br /> When I feel like someone to lie on<br /> And I feel like someone to rely on<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> Illusions born of the air<br /> Something seems precious there<br /> I'll elude you I will lose you<br /> As rehearsal of my despair<br /> When I feel like someone to lie on<br /> And I feel like someone to die on<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up, you can't wake up<br /> You can't wake up<br /> |}<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. <br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:25<br /> :A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. Happy, happy all are we. Now we learn ABCs. Now we learn our ABCs...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :You dumb fucking cunt. Hey, Doug.<br /> <br /> 01:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Yeah?<br /> <br /> 01:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> We're ''on'' now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. <br /> <br /> 01:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, you could sip your soda pop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:24<br /> Why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones... And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only- I always say is- what we call this yester- &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot; or &quot;Filth&quot; and &quot;The Alphabet Show&quot;? And it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour, we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind. And we say the letter &quot;G&quot;, we start talking about and trying to tell stories and ''trying'' to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to. So we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. ''Ayy-mee''.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Late to the studio. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> G to G for- I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:23<br /> For Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 02:25<br /> The shittiest shithole.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. *laughs* Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good party.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit ''thinks'' they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills, closed down steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talking, Amy. Tell us about Gary. Gary's your &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my &quot;G&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for G? Last night- Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to- find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the Gs or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G-spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Go, gas, gag, gaggle. I don't know. Gardening...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the G-spot. So.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :Have I found it? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee''' 03:38<br /> Of course. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> Really? &quot;Of course.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :We wouldn't still be married if you didn't. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :I don't know if I found it or not.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You should be told. You should be told these things. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''  03:50<br /> You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :We've talked about it in detail. I thought.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:54<br /> We did? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed, Amy. Without me. Uh-huh. And what is that with green? G. You smoke the green? Come on, Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh, Gregory Reed. We pray- we- Do we have his phone number?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self-appointed expert in occult crime. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 04:34<br /> Fuckface.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal, murdering thousands each year. (Second one there.) And we call him the other day and we're calling him on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad- (Hey, you might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day.) Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the supposed Satanists, this &quot;satanic cartel&quot;, as he called it, and we callrf his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :You're doing the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. *call goes to answering machine* Noooo. <br /> <br /> '''Greg Reed (Answering machine)'''05:34<br /> Hi, you've reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with ORCC. Please leave me a brief message with your name and number, and I'll get back to you. Thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> See, he calls himself a doctor. He's not a doctor. We found out he's a ''painter''.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :This is message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stockey. Location, my number is 219-931-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello? Alright, keep talking please, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregory Reed and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow-up response was to her follow-up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly is what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reed. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to- What's wrong, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's your note pad. It sounds good flying at your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> : Yeah, it sounds good. Gregory Reed then. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying, &quot;I can tell by your tone where this is going.&quot; And I had no tone, really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole- When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he- he lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or ten books that- that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> Yet he's a doctor. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> Yeah, he starts stuttering, he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :Well, he named off ''two'' after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bunk and another one was just a common occult bookshop staple called &quot;Black Magic&quot; by Cavendish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic &quot;cartel&quot;. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :Well, Gregory Reed is barely a G, so let's get on with the G for &quot;garbage&quot;. Anything else? Come on? It's boring.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Garbage.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> GG Allin. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> GG Allin, now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggests &quot;door&quot; for D and &quot;Gregory Reed&quot; for G. Gregory Reed being so fucking boring I'm falling asleep here... GG Allin, now that's cool. Where's my G- did we ever find my GG Allin CD?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :No, we never did find it. We found the case, but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that. Or bean dip and pretended it's shit. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, I'll go get the beans. <br /> <br /> ==GG Allin and sexual assault attempt==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, well, GG Allin was great. I did the- GG Allin, I got a GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Which one?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> About when you used to write to him and talk to him. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :Yeah, so I used to write to GG Allin and longtime ago I used to do a zine. And GG Allin- we were corresponding before he went to prison. And after he went to prison- you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call, and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the GG Allin Manifesto, I think it's called. The GG Allin Mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine ''Naked Aggression''. Originally, the- his mission statement. And the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about is- &quot;People. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me. They want to hang out with and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking burned, baby burned.&quot; And I always remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show. They had- he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, &quot;Hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out.&quot; And I said, &quot;Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man.&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 10:09<br /> That's goddamn right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 10:11<br /> Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark ''Fagula'' Hayner. And &quot;Fagula&quot; was his real name, too. And he had toured with GG Allin and did a video did some video, GG Allin. And he talked about the time his- it was funny, hetell me, &quot;why I hung out with GG Allin. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me.&quot; And I go, &quot;Well, tell me about it.&quot; He's like, &quot;Dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me, really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off,&quot; and he had his pants off, GG Allin was naked with a hard-on, fuckin' trying to rape Mark Haner. And it was really funny, like, &quot;What happened, Mark?&quot; And he looked- he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes? You know, they don't look you in the eye. Marks like, &quot;Well, I got out of there, of course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room.&quot; To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hole or something. Like, like, I think there was more than- I think his pants may have came down... And I didn't say he actually raped him. Because he did follow through with the rest of the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :What can you do though? I mean, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think- GG wasn't actually a big guy, was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any match for him, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :You don't have to be though. It's those crazy fucking skinny fucks like you got to worry about because they got nothing- They just go crazy. It's called &quot;retard strength.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rape me. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Wouldn't you? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retard strength. I think GG Allin and had retard strength from the get-go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :...I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. &quot;I want this. But he isn't- hasn't showered for days.&quot; That's torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :It's all fun and games till somebody starts throwing shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :Or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :Right. So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Yeah, right. I remember him touring and thinking, &quot;Huh, that might not be the show to attend.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Geeg. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :GG Allin. Or George- or George Michael.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Didn't the Secret Service visit you because of GG Allin?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story. That's why I asked which one. I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay, so I got the- I am, I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a Secret Service, and it was after GG Allin and wrote the &quot;Mission Statement&quot; for ''Naked Aggression''. He had also come up with a single- I think on the other one, but he has a single called &quot;Kill the President&quot;. And it is it was like, &quot;Kill the president fuck the pigs&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :Hey! that's a it's quite a concept. (Shane Bugbee: Right?) Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the Secret Service comes there to question me. And it was wild why- it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black. They had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, a kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped, and they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. I pop his trunk open, and this is before home computers now. I'm talking- this is before the big home-computer explosion. This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now. I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this. Rhere was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :Like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family [burden?] that they had the shit right there. And I was like, you know, it was- it was- it was there they had the tools, they had the tools to take you down right there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :Imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta magnetic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange, and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :That's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like national ID cards like they're used for now. Used- but they're not you know, used to identify- It was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you to to law enforcement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right? Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving, you get pulled over, you don't have any form of ID over a certain age, I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you, check- I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income [unintelligible] that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening? &quot;My Greek Wedding&quot;? I loved it. &quot;My Fat Greek Wedding&quot;? I'm fat, man. I love Greek openings- Are you talking about ass play? &quot;Greek&quot; as in ass play? I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was all those motherfuckers digging in each other's asses, [unintelligible] fucking 'em like fuckin' mad. I think-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :Well, that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends. (Shane Bugbee: What was that?) The definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :&quot;Wide.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :&quot;Gopher holin'.&quot; Ever hear it? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gopher hole&quot;?) Yeah, gopher holin'. And it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know you're gopher holin'. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole, you're gopher holin' on<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :I was just gonna say, is that one of your [https://web.archive.org/web/20210423054732/https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Doug%20Mesner accomplishments in the Urban Dictionary].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :I didn't- In fact, I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life. Putting in &quot;gopher hole&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Someday in a thousand years, all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster's soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :Instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be &quot;Doug&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :&quot;Gastronomic&quot;? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gastronomic&quot;? Speak up.) I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :Hmmm. Baking soda helps. Have you ever used baking soda and warm water?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :&quot;Worm water&quot;? What's that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> ''Warm'' water.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :You mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like a shot. (Crosstalk, Shane Bugbee and Amy Bugbee repeating &quot;warm&quot; and &quot;worm&quot;)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :It's that Gary, Indiana, accent. (Cross talk about smoking something from bag.)<br /> <br /> ==James Earl Ray's Brother==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :But baking soda and warm water will help my gas, like, better than everything, and you know who will agree with me on this? We hit it off famously after we said we [unintelligible] both you guys talking to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray James Earl Ray]'s brother on the phone.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :Nobody noticed you had gas yesterday. Yeah, I didn't know that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James Earl Ray's brother had- had we- we got along famously after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas problems.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :Yeah, that was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man. He was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James Earl Ray's funeral. You know, if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to- like to have done. And I regret not getting it do that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died, I called his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy ''accused'' of shooting Martin Luther King because I really didn't like Martin Luther King. I think he was [asking for it].<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother, and they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :We've been going on for hours about me. I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :And you brought up James Early Ray. I know that's not-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :You know as I look at you, I think &quot;gay&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Really?) Gay. Yes. I don't know why.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :No, James Earl Ray. Do you remember the stories-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :Amy brought up gay when she was looking at you the other night. She said, &quot;I just think gay.&quot; And now that's all I can think when I'm looking at Doug. Why do you why do you think &quot;gay&quot; when looking at Doug's eye?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :Hmm, I don't know. It must be [unintelligible] thing. Yeah. And the butterface discussions.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, it's the butterface discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :Yeah, and it says, &quot;James Earl Ray&quot; on it? You know it was some guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :You know it was. You know, they said it was a mistake (Shane Bugbee: Some fuckin' Klansman, fuckin' fucking with him.) No, no somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something. (Amy Bugbee: Or they smoked too much weed.) (Shane Bugbee: Amy, Amy...) Smoked the good one. The nugget-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :Thanks for bringing the fucking show [down]. (Amy Bugbee: Ohh nooo.) Now it's the Cheech and Chong Show. (Doug Misicko: The green.) So you're more fuckable- and I don't mean in the physical way. I could fuck with you more when you're stoned and I'm not. (Amy Bugbee: Are you playing GG Allin now or what?) Yeah, you want to play a song? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, we're not playing-) Which one? Well, we're playing &quot;Unrest&quot;, but we have a choice from here's some GG Allin this is off the CD ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks,_Faggots,_Drunks_%26_Junkies Freaks, Faggots, Drunks and Junkies]'', &quot;My Revenge&quot; (Amy Bugbee: Masterpiece.) Yeah, we can play &quot;My Revenge&quot;. &quot;Dope Money&quot;. &quot;Be My Fuckin' Whore&quot;. &quot;Suck My Ass It Smells&quot;. &quot;Dog Shit&quot;. &quot;Wild Riding&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :You have to play &quot;Suck My Ass It Smell&quot; in honor of Mark Gainers near-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:01<br /> :Because you see, it's about a friend of mine. He's from Detroit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. He's crazy. Why? If you dare him to do something he'll do it provided the money's right. Jesus Christ. I remember the time was in this pet store. We met him at Dollar. He wouldn't met the heads off on them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he beat the head off. Ah, one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw. I said Jay, you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life. He said that so Kay I'm $3 richer to NAS all those important to him. Ale I remember one time at this party, and we dared him to pee in the Punchbowl. He did it. CJ can be a real ass Oh sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him. Because he could pee right on cue. Are you believing they ship? Cars if not you kiss my ass. I Guaran damn tee you is true<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:50<br /> :remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had VD for $10 He said hell if you double your money. I'll make love to her brother. He would have done it do except we didn't have $20 playing the six. Now why Jay did this year I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got zero. This has been<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :done, Doug. Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this alphabet show. I play Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:38<br /> :That man is not funny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:40<br /> :and it's really stupid. Oh really. But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put ABC at alphabet and then whatever. But this is the ABCs of the alphabet or the alphabet of ABCs or the ABCs of filth and or the alphabet show whatever we don't really have a name it's a concept and all our topic is all we do is start this half hour internet talk show with the a letter and this week or not this week but this show is the letter H don't look at my age his motherfucking jerky change your<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:16<br /> :cheater hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :god dude don't talk about my name on the weekends don't ever tell people that you call me I'm fucking Saturdays again. The you know the mics are on duck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:29<br /> :Okay, well there's right okay good well your stage now go away.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Carl. Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :it's one Doug shaved my chest<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:40<br /> :all right actually there's debate as to what a proper hot Carl is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:43<br /> :what is a hot car and why are you all into the film stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You do have a hot girl pin no I have holiday Sanchez<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :it's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words from my own fucking pins and I don't like it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :all right, go ahead. You talked about you talked about your hot Carl what is how do you give a hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :listen I am i Car know what is hot car<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :what hot Carl's a scat sex act it's got to do a shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:12<br /> :with you dude.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :peppers. See that's the debate the debate is some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a Cleveland steamer. Or as other people say a hot Carl is is got. Anyway you caught it. Somebody's taking the shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. And then this is a letter H for Hi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:41<br /> :I'm sorry, Doug. Well, okay, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :want to hit me? No, no getting mad interrupting you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Carl. Now it's when you other people say it's when you leave and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. No, I'm leaving tomorrow. You know what The train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment and no one would own up to it. They all blame the dog.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot car. Oh, poor form that you didn't Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:18<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill and it was a second storey apartment. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :that's that's hot. As Paris Hilton Nicole Richards say that's hot.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :I should have neighbor's doorstep before really I lived in like this apartment complex one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings that I was working late night shifts and this person playing music very loud all day and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6am You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:47<br /> :I don't understand where you beat it on the wall just on a different time. Or did you be on a wall because they played well because they're playing music.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :Music<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. Couple.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:01<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I showed on their doorstep and the loud music did stop I think they put two and two together. And what was funny is it was kind of hard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:12<br /> train horn rage. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit and anybody could have driven by and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :saw tissue or anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:25<br /> :I took a few with me and then I finished the job when I you know, I wasn't I guess I wasn't. I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the US tissue on the door. Also there would have been there would have been a distinct message to it. I should have written on him beforehand. Fuck you, you know and stuck them. Why did you deal with ah, we went from hot Karl.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :I know you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I dug Carl dog I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :I don't need to be analyzed<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:58<br /> :shit taught coming from a dog though who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:05<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of hot coffee hot. Ah, I know that's not the good age like hot Cairo but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to hear this. I'm going to try to get as high as Amy but I don't know if that can ever be achieved from the hookah from the hookah. Doug's disgusted from the hookah dug straight edge freaks dug straight and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubble<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:32<br /> :dad like everybody getting higher on me. It's cool.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:36<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. We missed that for gas where I would have<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was that a busted Daisy? We learned yesterday.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the shit and Angel stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not you know, I know that sounds like you know, Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your eyes. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time I think you have you know that? You know the frozen hotdogs story and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:07<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog every high school. This is ah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :we need some eight stories. Amy What are your H words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:17<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have highpass accuracy home in Hammond homes and home.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :I love it. Well, what do you want to you want to you want to say Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:31<br /> :HH Holmes. That's Triple H.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:33<br /> :Zack was thicker him. Welcome.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :Say that guy is 100 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some kids. Or something to go further. Some goals out there. To 300 dead. Ah, ah, anything else? Your horror, horror of horror. Speak up. Let's hear a story about horrors or something from the horror. Well, we<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:59<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:00<br /> :So watched had had<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:02<br /> :the monkeys had the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:05<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. Yeah, never<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:09<br /> :seen the monkey's head dog. Just watch the tape. And this was the first time you've seen a dog. Give an honest review min.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:16<br /> :Ted I thought it was I Well, I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what year it was. But it seems well. Well, well before it's time. It seems like you know something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant garde. It kind of you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways seems like it's going somewhere if you walk away if you like you're gonna miss something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:43<br /> :sort of like the theme song that they have there. Just when you thought it over the beginning might begin or something like that, that should be saw. And so did you have any respect for the beetle or monkeys? Oh, bad note beetle. Oh my god. I'm a monkey's fan too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:58<br /> :Well, before I saw it, you Before you start, what<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :do you think of the Monkees?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :No, I always thought what I heard of them that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles some What do you think after you saw that? Yeah, they they obviously weren't, they obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot, at least the image that they were portraying before that a lot, you know, like I what I made of the in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned and know how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:40<br /> :For age, I do my duty dog do you do yours?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like sub stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :I like had in more than one way Oh, it was found about getting head is that and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head what? That's in No, we're talking about head and I'm comparing the two I used to really love head but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis. And I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feel and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel it would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think I wouldn't I will never know that but I really wish I could see my parents and I you know, but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of hate and filth in the alphabet show that we're doing here. Which is I'm Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:46<br /> :And I'm Doug. And I'm Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:49<br /> :and I run evil now.com Among other things, my content feiyr.com Three Ring radio.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:55<br /> :and I own the domain name dis genex.com Well, actually, oh, that explorer. Yeah, there's something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:02<br /> :can we well, we live in Hammond, Indiana on Holman on home and if you ever have ever seen the Christmas story that's home in Indiana, which is really Hammond Indiana, he just changed the street name and stuff. And he being Jean Shepherd. But Amy, any Hammond stories Hammond where we live we're broadcasting now is where A Christmas Story The movie is written about this is this is this is the area.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, summer story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good to that Phantom of the open her<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:40<br /> :heart was Matt Dillon. Middelen<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:43<br /> :you're cowboy. You don't know who Matt Dillon is? We are old. I think Amy like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking into Mama's womb or something. His ball sack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:56<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen drugstore cowboy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :Have you ever seen the outsiders? No,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:05<br /> :there was no there was like what Junior High girls like I thought was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :wrong. No, it's a good it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior. I grew like to say I'm a fucking hit. Yeah. Ah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:16<br /> :For hit you ever seen over the edge? That's a great movie. It's like his first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Yeah, over the edge is fucking snow or cold man. Really? He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:28<br /> :Sorry, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> I'm trying to think of a recent movie. He's been in<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :high school. Ah, I bet you we all have good high school story. Oh, fuck, but we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play High on Fire. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:42<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:51<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:55<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion, ‘cause that would make it go over there...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :For Zion, or from Zion?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :From Zion.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it, How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the only one that didn't get picked<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :as a good we'll just play the whole city and forget the fuck the show. will play. Is that one,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :one. Let's start with one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :Cool, high on fire. And let me let me let your kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing to a demo before this was not released. So you hear an unreleased high on fire. You You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug the story about high end fire. Let me hear okay, so high in fire they play this expo they're great great music musicians and Doug you've never heard high in fire right? Never. So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal this and so I have to explain to him how God like high on fire is so high on fire. They write this album called Jerusalem, this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song it's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great job. But it doesn't impress you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :I'd have to hear it I guess. I mean, but isn't that cool? That is cool. I can see an album like that being good. Well, you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:28<br /> :gonna hear some high on fire right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:29<br /> :Well, that's one of the that was sleep though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :Yeah, that was sleep. That was a bad sleep. That's a different band. But<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :Pike is like the leader of med pikes like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:39<br /> :a rock out he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit man he'll you know in the history annals of metal or rock and roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players and you're in do the faggy skinny puppy type stuff which Amy said the thing about skinny puppy is the bad thing about skinny puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:02<br /> :And I proved heterosexual and it's right at the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :maybe that's why you felt so strongly about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards and desert.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:58<br /> :Right<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:00<br /> :All right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :My son,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:18<br /> :same was what was that Amy? Matt pike from high on fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:28<br /> :So the turtle told him what his name was.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:31<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtles name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes and about a half an hour later, he said, your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:51<br /> :Myrtle of all things turtle ever said. Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:58<br /> :I don't know. It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:02<br /> :All right. I don't I don't doubt that it's name is murder. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:06<br /> :Absolutely done. He<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :was right. Then he was right. Heil. Yep, true. And in there. Hi. Oh, John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:17<br /> :Heil. Heil, Hitler.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:20<br /> :I couldn't think of another he just couldn't do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:24<br /> :It's such an obvious one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :You guys didn't have it? No. Are you? Are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? That's so obvious. Typical. Typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising. I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't an AMI? Not surprising? No, but what do you say to me?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:45<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:50<br /> :It's on my list. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:51<br /> :else is on your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:52<br /> :Hi. Like I was getting at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:04<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept What do you did with every, every time I leave class, he take the history book, which was the thickest book. And he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And it's so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damage as you can tell today. I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears. And so one time I took a belt and wrapped around books. Something like one of my father my uncle would say that said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :I want slit at pep assembly on fire and I did not get expelled for all those people. I used to get in trouble for most everything I did and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because it Caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. This thing went up. And I thought, oh shit, it's all over. But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. You never got caught the most amazing thing I never got caught for but speaking out whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a in my high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:27<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing Hitler use songs. It's fine. It's good March there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Maybe it can tell us. In high school. I used to have a swim class first hour. And this was when I was like, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :he's like saying that because I get high. And then I in high school. I always if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls. Yes, I'm stuck in the 80s all day. And you could just say I had a swimming class first period and Cory<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:58<br /> :major bloodshot, right? Yeah. But anyways, I didn't do that. But we had the stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office and then we're all supposed to not get in the pool. Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance which was US lining up and calling off number. Every fucking morning we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:19<br /> :That's like saying nigger for black guy. You can use a real time.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :Pleasant, Pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said it but it happened every single morning. They were so stupid. High school was all provoking people in getting in fights High School<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:57<br /> :was all about getting high.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high not going.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:04<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So then I went back because I got well, I got housed. Let's put it that way. I got a house for a month and a half in a county jail. And residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because that was absolutely the way different experience because it was a different school, right? No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so serious after that. We'll come back to school and they're just fucking kids and they're just fucking off talking about garbage. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids and I did not feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into you know, they make it hard to get a job you know you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know just because you don't want to go to school as a bad person in jail sounds<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:10<br /> :like a great resource for our kids.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:13<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson I walked the line but I don't think I'm absolutely will not that was a factor definitely experienced and I felt that came out of there Catherine sober person said you do that there's repercussions for what you do. And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers that play with other fucking people to problem every situation you're in six weeks in jail during that time I broke I had my pinky broken tried to punch someone I'm not much of a fiber and hit the concrete wall and my pinky because the guy was stealing my food and as a fat fuck not a fight No. Fucking Mike Tyson takes myself and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :eats your whole D<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:01<br /> :habit to fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:04<br /> :He broke him in jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:06<br /> :I broke my own Pinky. Yes. came out I was in the cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, Pinky with a gay father. It's honestly 26 seconds hermaphrodite the ABC show next week is what letter comes after h i i Da Doug Amy shamed by evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:35<br /> :dis genex.com for more.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:37<br /> :See you next week I this was h ABCs.<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the I show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over, we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> ==Israel==<br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:44<br /> :<br /> <br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on nuking the Holy Land==<br /> '''Doug Misicko '''08:35<br /> :and I have respect for ancient history and archaeology but I would say make the fucking holy land to crater a radioactive waste and then tell them go to town it's all yours all you so let's go ahead pocket Solomon's temple gives a shit it's just it's gone to fucking fire it's gone to fucking fire exactly fence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :off the whole country and it can only be for tourists you know no one can live there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:01<br /> :Yeah free zone un whatever Martial Law No, no, no it was asshole should be there. If people really aren't you have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with churches churches or terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document and it's stupid.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:27<br /> :They've night the church<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :we need to ignite some churches here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptist it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the you know, like a dome.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :That's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like, what, eight tracks and then do another CD. (Shane Bugbee: Exactly.) I thought it would have been cool if they did more.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing toda?<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on The View and Network N-words==<br /> 22:15 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're doing the alphabet. We're starting each show with a letter, and just going- That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme. We bring up a letter, first word comes to mind, and we ''discuss'' this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black Negros and sit and talk about-<br /> <br /> 22:34 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :''Rotund''. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) We don't use the &quot;f-word&quot; in this house.<br /> <br /> 22:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :&quot;Inflated&quot; for &quot;I&quot;.<br /> <br /> 22:40 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god, inflated? (Amy Bugbee: There you go.) Worse than- worse than fat. &quot;Inflated&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Right.) But like the five big flat- fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> 22:49 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Big- uhh, I think it's five big, big ''inflated'' Negros that discuss things on a show. I dunno, there's some morning show.<br /> <br /> 23:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I've never seen it. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, nevermind.) Is it &quot;The View&quot;?<br /> <br /> 23:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> 23:02 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Are they all Negros? <br /> <br /> 23:03 '''Doug Misicko''' <br /> : I think so.<br /> <br /> 23:06 '''Shane Bugbee''' <br /> Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> 23:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :She's a Negro. <br /> <br /> 23:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> 23:11 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yep. She's Jewish.<br /> <br /> 23:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :She's some- No, oh, uh, she's a- she's a network (Shane Bugbee: Idiot?) -nigger, is what she is. (Shane Bugbee: Right.) She was paid one time- she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity. Now, if that's not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. (Shane Bugbee: Exactly.) You know, she talked to him, and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered, nice man he is and everything else. And the guy's making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into, &quot;Everybody knew that smoking was bad for you.&quot; And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that, you set a bad precedent you should be stopped. Shane Bugbee: Or killed.) Had they not ''been lying'', it would have been different story. (Shane Bugbee: Or killed.) Right? (Amy Bugbee: What were they lying about on medical records?) Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that, It's up to them. (Shane Bugbee: Right) When they lie about it, that's a whole different story.<br /> <br /> ==On fatty foods==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :Same thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid.<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Italian Fascism==<br /> 26:46 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Tune in for the last five minutes- or 10 minutes of the F show, and you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> 27:01 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago, and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardone_Riviera Gardone Riviera]. And that's where [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittoriale_degli_italiani Gabriele D'Annunzio's house] was. Most people don't know who Gabriele D'Annunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet- (Shane Bugbee: Italian, &quot;I&quot;.) Yeah, Italy... So, we went over there- I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked- but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else. And the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, D'Annunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfelds, Colons, Dicks, and Bushes, but anyways, ''he lost an eye'' in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers, the Blackshirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackshirts original Blackshirts]. Those were the original ''fascists'', and Mussolini aligned themselves with him and them. And he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about them. D'Annunzio didn't like Mussolini, he was saying, &quot;You say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot&quot; — for &quot;I&quot;. And so when Mussolini came to power, right, D'Annunzio was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home, being that he spent their money like it was going out of style, It was ''beautiful''. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that- his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room, it was like it had like a coffin-<br /> <br /> 29:12 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh I ''love'' that- I've always wanted. And it's funny, you say that: I've always wanted to have themed rooms.<br /> <br /> 29:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :He had one where the+ the theme was severed hand. There was hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was- he was ''great''.<br /> <br /> 29:26 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a Q no J No. K. J. Evil Now.com.<br /> <br /> 29:38 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :TV Is God.com<br /> <br /> 29:40 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 29:41 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> : Only one. That's because of his ''addiction''. &quot;A&quot; show, addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ''Canned Audio: Sesame Street ABCs''<br /> <br /> 03:15 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy? How you doing?<br /> <br /> 03:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I’m doing just fine. Am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> 03:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> 03:24 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Uh-oh. It's the alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from Three Ring Radio and Doug from dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> 03:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm...not here<br /> <br /> 03:37 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And the great artist from ''[[Might is Right]]'' too. That's Doug (Doug Misicko: Thank you.)<br /> <br /> 03:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, not really from ''Might is Right'', he really attached himself to something that was already moving, and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned with such a great book. I still can't figure it out.<br /> <br /> 03:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Soon to be a great artist for more than just (Shane Bugbee: Soon to be, exactly.) known just for Might is Right. And Shane got what? How many websites? (Shane Bugbee: I don't know.) Evilnow. Club Hate. Mike Hunt is on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> 04:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what else Amy if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> 04:23 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't want to overlook any you know.<br /> <br /> 04:24 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there aren't they? (Shane Bugbee: Sometimes.) Yeah.<br /> <br /> 04:31 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And then I do TV is God and &quot;The Whore of Horror&quot; or, &quot;Whore of Horror&quot;.<br /> <br /> 04:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We better get ''The'' Whore of Horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get it - you're fucking us. You're fucking us. (Doug Misicko: Fucking prick.)<br /> <br /> 04:45 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh it's the Alphabet Show and today's letter's what? K?<br /> <br /> 04:48 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Brought to you by the letter K?<br /> <br /> 04:49 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> 04:53 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K. (Amy Bugbee: Special K.)<br /> <br /> 04:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :K K K and you know we played some Johnny Rebel, but now we have an excuse to play Cajun Ku Klux Klan if we wanted to (Amy Bugbee: Excellent, let's do it.) Do you have any K songs, then Amy?<br /> <br /> 05:09 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I got Karma to Burn, but I think we could hear some- (Shane Bugbee: Some more Johnny Rebel!)<br /> <br /> 05:16 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some more of the triple K. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that a veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> 05:26 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :If it's a veterina- well, that's just PCP then, they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is.<br /> <br /> 05:30 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, it's like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably similar.<br /> <br /> 05:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, it's just gotta be PCP because that's what PCP is, is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> 05:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I’m pretty sure it's special K, isn't it?<br /> <br /> 05:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know. I've never- and like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> 05:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets-<br /> <br /> 06:02 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Bites the bumper leaves his teeth mark in it, shit like that?<br /> <br /> 06:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, gets shot five times and runs at a guy and rips his head off with his bare hands. Those are PCP guys.<br /> <br /> 06:10 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember taking- I smoked PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this- in this court, you know, [''makes car noises'']<br /> <br /> 06:29 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. Some easy listening tune and playing in slow motion, you're smiling-<br /> <br /> 06:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Something like fucking Ozzy Osbourne or something like that, you know, Crazy Train or something nutty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> 06:49 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :In a car full of guys with their eyes like ''wide'' open.<br /> <br /> 06:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just to, just to go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking for like three weeks. And I know there was a big riot everyone, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I'm- I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot break out. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me, we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PCP story.<br /> <br /> 07:26 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> 07:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not, we couldn't run away. I think it was, we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCP.<br /> <br /> 07:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I get it. I guess the real scary part of this, was you and some guy were holding hands. (Shane Bugbee: Yes. Yeah. Well that's-) It's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> 07:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like all of a sudden we look at each other's hands go. Ah! It didn't scare us the riot didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story for K.<br /> <br /> 08:02 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, how is PCP similar or different to crystal meth?<br /> <br /> 08:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, meth is an upper meth is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. (Doug Misicko: Forget it. I can't help you). You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommend an institution.<br /> <br /> 08:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I thought PCP was an upper. (Shane Bugbee: No, no! No, no.)<br /> <br /> 08:36 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's more like a hallucinogen.<br /> <br /> 08:39 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone- someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have, uh, extra adrenaline. (Doug Misicko: Okay...) but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say an animal tranquilizer. (Doug Misicko: Okay.) Crystal meth is an upper, like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. (Amy Bugbee: Mm-hmm.) Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. (Amy Bugbee: It was nice! It was fun.) She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me, I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm (Doug Misicko: Attracted to your opposite.) Yeah, I'm up, and Amy is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's- she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, Oh, I'd do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> 09:49 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive I'd murder somebody. (Amy Bugbee: ''laughs'')<br /> <br /> 10:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what, you know, just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and- I can't kill, you know it's, it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> 10:19 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't know- I think about, I think about murder a lot.<br /> <br /> 10:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. (Amy Bugbee: Which one?) I don't know you were saying how nice it was, before Doug interrupted, but it's not murder it's K, cunt, for Kill. (Doug Misicko: Killing.) Killin, with an -in not an -ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> 10:39 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know-<br /> <br /> 10:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :How about driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> 10:46 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving- me, Shane and Mike Diana, and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. (Shane Bugbee: To be on TV.) We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like, every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were goners for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> ==Discussing how Doug would prefer to murder someone==<br /> 11:31 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And now Doug I did say you would kill on crystal meth. Killing, K, ABC show.<br /> <br /> 11:37 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about m- I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> 11:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch and we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. (Doug Misicko: I think we were on the couch.) We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you- I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck- you, you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> 12:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I might. I might. I've gotten close to it.<br /> <br /> 12:06 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think so. Are you scared of yourself?<br /> <br /> 12:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Sometimes.<br /> <br /> 12:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You're afraid of yourself, Doug. (Doug Misicko: I dunno.) Admit it. You have a personality disorder.<br /> <br /> 12:13 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I remember one time I was just at a- I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for- we were walking around at night.<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Whole? (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) Here comes the whole Joel. Here comes the hole Joe. [''laughs'']<br /> <br /> 12:28 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We're walking around this (Shane Bugbee: Make sure Joel hears that.) cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out there. (Shane Bugbee: Did you ever think a-) It's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> 12:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's hole?<br /> <br /> 12:44 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> 12:48 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fuckin' good old Joel.<br /> <br /> 12:50 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> 12:53 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical are we? Are we talking like, no law? Are we talking like, just what I'd want to do or- (Amy Bugbee: Preference.) what I could (Amy Bugbee: Your preference.) get away-<br /> <br /> 13:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Right now what would you do now? Today.<br /> <br /> 13:05 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think would be the most enjoyable?<br /> <br /> 13:07 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Killing somebody with my bare hands, just bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just 'til the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wad of skin and meat you know, and crushed bone. (Shane Bugbee: [''laughing''] Ah, that's a good one.) You know?<br /> <br /> 13:19 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, I think that's- bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, bludgeoning, or-)<br /> <br /> 13:22 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, but there's laws you're saying, she's saying most fun that's what you'd do.<br /> <br /> 13:27 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I'd do. In, in- respect to the law I would use poison.<br /> <br /> 13:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly, you have to do poison. And I would enjoy a poison kill anyway, I think about killing myself and I think poison would be- it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have, you know, if you know, they have to choke.<br /> <br /> 13:45 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> 13:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. (Doug Misicko: That's true.) I don't want- Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> ==Ricin==<br /> 14:04 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture, hard to detect. You know, they talk all about ricin now as a terrorist tool, but-<br /> <br /> 14:12 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like, in South Carolina. Their their their bush, their state bush is a leaf that's poison, and if you dried it out and made it into a tea it could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. (Doug Misicko: What tour?) (Amy Bugbee: Of the town.) We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) you know.<br /> <br /> 14:33 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> 14:40 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Ricin comes from just from castor beans. It's not hard. It's like, you know, it's a, it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. (Shane Bugbee: Really.)<br /> <br /> 14:52 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow. Where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> 14:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own ricin.<br /> <br /> 14:57 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And what do you do with ricin Doug?<br /> <br /> 15:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Ricin, you put it in some ways food or you make contact it's one of the, it's one of the most potent poisons.<br /> <br /> 15:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you do with it Doug?<br /> <br /> 15:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't do anything with it.<br /> <br /> 15:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Tell us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> 15:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[''laughs''] People, people could do that. [Amy Bugbee: Castor beans are-) And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is, it's, it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well, (Amy Bugbee: It won't kill'em.) it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and it's hard to do. It's a prolonged death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenics and they die. Coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on than people like to acknowledge you know (Shane Bugbee: oh yeah), I think it happens a lot.<br /> <br /> 15:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :If it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay. (Doug Misicko: Or you could make your-)<br /> <br /> 15:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital, I think there's something going on.<br /> <br /> 15:52 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yes, she told me about that.<br /> <br /> 15:53 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :So if I die, I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> 15:57 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh really? (Shane Bugbee: Yes.) Oh well- watch your back. (Doug Misicko: Well, well you can make your own-)<br /> <br /> 16:03 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :That's, uh, is character flaw with a K? No that's a C.<br /> <br /> ==Columbine==<br /> 16:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's fine. But botulin spores you can put your own botulism in people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> 16:20 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Columbine.<br /> <br /> 16:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't, I'm not very Columbine savvy. (Shane Bugbee: Klebold.) Which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair?<br /> <br /> 16:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You know, they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> 16:33 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They're just like one entity, does it really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> 16:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have to, I think Amy's favorite is Klebold.<br /> <br /> 16:51 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. (Doug Misicko: Why?) I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, he looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> 16:59 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> 16:59 '''Shane Bugbee '''<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> 17:02 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :Okay, I get it.<br /> <br /> 17:04 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah I can't figure out, I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> 17:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :You're looking at their unit?<br /> <br /> 17:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I look at them ''as'' a unit.<br /> <br /> ==The KKK and killing Jewish people==<br /> 17:15 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Alright. So weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, we were talking about the Ku Klux Klan. (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) Amy was talking about kikes during the- you know, when we were off the air, for K.<br /> <br /> 17:30 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K-word.<br /> <br /> 17:32 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think you said, &quot;Fucking kill the kikes&quot;.<br /> <br /> 17:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What does &quot;kike&quot; mean to you, Amy?<br /> <br /> 17:39 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Go fly a kike. <br /> <br /> 17:40 '''Amy Bugbee '''<br /> :Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Kike-y tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yes. &quot;Just do it.&quot;<br /> <br /> 17:50 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :[''laughing''] I don't have any good KKK stories. I- (Shane Bugbee: No?) I gotta say I've never met anybody in the KKK.<br /> <br /> 17:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over. Andy.<br /> <br /> 18:07 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> 18:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me? I guess so, as long as he doesn't let me live through my miserable life, that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> 18:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :And his wife were over. They're both active members in the Klan.<br /> <br /> 18:21 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, and they were cool. We watched- what do we watch with them? We watch any movies or did we just hang out? And watch Bum Fights? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, that's right.) Yeah we watched Bum Fights (Doug Misicko: Oh, that's funny.) and they were disgusted or the wife looked disgusted by it but they were, you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he ''was'' listen I'm talking past tense ''was'' a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the Klan, seems that, you know (Doug Misicko: There's &quot;Christians&quot; in the Klan.) I parted ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> 18:50 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the Klan do?<br /> <br /> ==Moving to Europe==<br /> 18:54 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? (Doug Misicko: Yeah, I guess.) What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups - that's from the ACLU to PETA to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. Shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> 19:26 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I tried. I fucking tried.<br /> <br /> 19:29 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Why can't you get over? You could have got over there.<br /> <br /> 19:31 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was ''there'', I- you can't get a job over there now.<br /> <br /> 19:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh, I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry, sucker. I get over there and fucking, I'll be over there man.<br /> <br /> 19:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was- I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> 19:44 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, I don't have any friends over there.) I tried to talk Amy into moving to Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> 19:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> ==Opposition to religions in public==<br /> 19:57 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck outta here, I can't handle these kinds of politics Kerry, Bush, Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have, they don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we ''don't'' have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in Three Ring Radio, we had spoke about the, in France, going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away. This other jamoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie. I don't know who's telling me what, I don't really care if I moved to France I'm not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling, &quot;Kill Christians&quot;. I ain't gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanists or any Buddhists or anyone. I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that.<br /> <br /> 20:58 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh, I know recently in France, they were talking- they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No- no turbans, no goddamn little Jewish- (Shane Bugbee: Where was this at?) In France! No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps on their heads.<br /> <br /> 21:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, I like that as long as it’s ''no'' religious stuff. Fucking none- <br /> <br /> 21:14 '''Doug Misicko '''<br /> :I'm with you. I'm all for it. I'm ''all'' for it.<br /> <br /> 21:16 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like like smoking in public- it's like smoking in restaurants wearing religious garb all over. It's offensive to me. I don't want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense ass. Fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public, either.<br /> <br /> 21:33 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head, every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> 21:42 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Rip the crosses off their necks. Stick it in their nose, their eye. Eye revenge.<br /> <br /> 21:46 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Stick it in their fucking eye, right.<br /> <br /> 21:48 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids so they'd learn better. Maybe if we did that with everybody, you know-<br /> <br /> 21:59 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly. (Amy Bugbee: A better society.) Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> 22:04 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Like, ooh, like the cubicle! K for cubicle.<br /> <br /> 22:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Hey, isn't that C? (Amy Bugbee: Well...) Today it's K?<br /> <br /> 22:10 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :It was &quot;character flaw&quot; worked. Why not cubicle? (Shane Bugbee:You're right.)<br /> <br /> 22:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Got a point. (Shane Bugbee: Touché.)<br /> <br /> 22:17 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :I had this theory about cubicles because we had this office where we lived before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep, I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is, the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of. A cubicle.<br /> <br /> 22:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking, I'd be saying- &quot;You're fucking typing fucking loud!&quot; You know? &quot;Jesus Christ. You're typing loud.&quot;<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :No, I know how that goes. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I start getting pissy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> ==Visiting the KKK Museum==<br /> 23:05 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you say? &quot;Ma, turn down the fucking soaps&quot;? (Doug Misicko: &quot;Yeah.&quot;) (Amy Bugbee: He throws a shoe at his parents.) Are you deaf? (Doug Misicko: All right.) All right, Klan. When are you going joining you know me and Amy went to the Klan Museum when we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married to. (Amy Bugbee: On our honeymoon.) She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to. Beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> 23:32 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Montreal, or Toronto, wherever weed was legal or something.<br /> <br /> 23:35 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, right. So, so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the Rebel flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the Klan museum on our honeymoon. And the Klan guy like I called a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone number to call them said &quot;we're on my honeymoon&quot; and he goes &quot;well I'm closed but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids.&quot; Kids K, (Doug Misicko: alrighty) and he- KKK, Museum, and so he takes us down we go out there we meet them down there, opens the store and we're let in, it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs Klan-y is &quot;Honey, don't let him cheat you, get something for yourself&quot; so so Amy goes runs over gets a t-shirt, &quot;the night time is the white time&quot;. (Doug Misicko: ''laughs'') (Amy Bugbee: I love that shirt!) Tell him what else, tell him how they showed us the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> 24:27 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :John Howard, the guy who ran it his son, he's like what a sacred Cyclops or something? His son took us down-<br /> <br /> 24:36 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :You gotta talk into the microphone, though.<br /> <br /> 24:41 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :From the movie ''The Klansmen'', you know what they say. What is that, an ordained Cyclops or something? He says-<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops (Doug Misicko: That's right). That was funny yesterday or the other day we're talking eye, E for eye. We're talking about Doug's missing eye. &quot;I'm not a fucking Cyclops. I have two eyes, just one's broken!&quot; Ah, that's fucking funny, dude.<br /> <br /> 25:05 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :So anyways, ''Raiders of the Lost Ark''.<br /> <br /> 25:08 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :The back room was like ''Raiders of the Lost Ark'' when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, Amy, go ahead.<br /> <br /> 25:14 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walking around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am.<br /> <br /> 25:34 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> 25:38 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :With Bush in office. I mean, Bush ''is'' the Klan. Those fucking people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over Bush. I hate I God I hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. (Doug Misicko: He's a retard.) Speaking of the Klan. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was, it was fun to go on our, on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely Klan song by Johnny Rebel. I think we can actually dedicate this one Amy. What was Andy's wife's name? (Amy Bugbee: Cindy.) This is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> ==Anti-Black Racist Song==<br /> 26:24 '''Canned Audio'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> ''Editor's note: lyrics contain flagrant racism, slurs and narrative description of a lynching''<br /> {| role=&quot;presentation&quot; class=&quot;wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed&quot;<br /> | &lt;strong&gt;[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Rebel_(singer) Kajun Ku Klux Klan] by Johnny Rebel&lt;/strong&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> :You niggers listen now<br /> :I'm gonna tell you how<br /> :To keep from getting torchered<br /> :When the Klan is on the prowl<br /> :Stay at home at night<br /> :And lock your doors up tight<br /> :Don't go outside or else you'll find<br /> :Those crosses-a-burnin' bright<br /> :Now I know you won't believe me<br /> :So I'm gonna tell you why<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :Is gonna get you by and by<br /> :I'm warnin' you that when I'm through<br /> :You're gonna change your tune<br /> :This story's 'bout a nigger<br /> :His name was Levi Coon<br /> <br /> :He walked into a cafe<br /> :He thought he'd get a bite<br /> :He thought that they would serve him<br /> :Since they passed the civil rights<br /> :The waitress told him no<br /> :And that he'd better go<br /> :He said, &quot;No ma'am, my Uncle Sam say<br /> :I don't have to go.&quot;<br /> :So he sat there in that cafe<br /> :Bein' stubborn as a mule<br /> :No matter what she said<br /> :He wouldn't get up off that stool<br /> :He sat there like a jackass<br /> :Said, &quot;I'm gonna demonstarate.<br /> :I came in here to eat, and<br /> :I ain't leavin' 'til I've ate.&quot;<br /> <br /> :The waitess had enough<br /> :She said, &quot;I'll call your bluff.&quot;<br /> :She said, &quot;If we can't treat you right<br /> :We'll have to treat you rough.&quot;<br /> :The phone was in her hands<br /> :She gave him one more chance<br /> :He wouldn't go, and so she called<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :When he saw them cajuns comin'<br /> :Levi knew it was too late<br /> :His eyes popped out his head<br /> :And his kinky hair got straight<br /> :He said, &quot;Oh lousy white folks<br /> :I didn't mean a thing.<br /> :Why did I have to listen<br /> :To that demonstrator King?&quot;<br /> <br /> :Now niggers understand<br /> :They tied up both his hands<br /> :He was at the mercy of<br /> :The Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> :I knew just what they'd do<br /> :Levi knew it too<br /> :I knew what kind of torture<br /> :They would put that nigger through<br /> :Now the moral of this story<br /> :As plain as it can be<br /> :Niggers mind your business<br /> :And let us white folks be<br /> :You'd better heed my warnin'<br /> :And try to understand<br /> :Don't you demonstrate<br /> :Around the Kajun Ku Klux Klan<br /> |}<br /> <br /> 29:30 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :All right. Three Ring Radio.com - Evil Now.com - Whore Of Horror.com - Dysgenics.com<br /> And this is K in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for [''beeping'']<br /> <br /> 29:55 '''Singer '''<br /> :LMNOP QRS, T U V, W-<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ABCshow N<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section I==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on N-words== <br /> 08:36 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your N words, Doug?<br /> <br /> 08:40 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I have neighbors, Nazi…<br /> <br /> 08:43 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Did you say neighbors?<br /> <br /> 08:44 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> 08:45 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Is that the other N word? (Amy Bugbee: *laughing*)<br /> <br /> 08:48 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Other N word? You mean be-<br /> <br /> 08:50 Shane Bugbee<br /> :That’s the other N word. Like &quot;nigger&quot;. And then you go, &quot;nigger&quot;, and the other N word is <br /> neighbors. They’re a nigger.<br /> <br /> 08:55 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why &quot;nigger&quot;! I didn’t think of that.<br /> <br /> 08:56 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Amy’s uh, father gave us that one.<br /> <br /> 08:58 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :That’s what my dad says.<br /> <br /> 09:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :What? He says &quot;neighbors&quot; is the other N word?<br /> <br /> 09:01 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :He says that &quot;neighbors&quot; is the ''other'' N word, yeah.<br /> <br /> 09:03 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> Oh, Right. Well... then what- what do you do if your neighbor’s a nigger?<br /> <br /> 09:11 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Fuckin' hang him high. (Amy Bugbee: Sell your house.) Hang him high, OK?<br /> <br /> 09:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> : *laughs audibly into the mic* I also had ''news'', ''nurses'', and ''noise''...<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section II==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Fascist Neighborhoods and Hidden Heroes==<br /> 12:01 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I gotta tell you, the f-word still has 'em all beat. (Shane Bugbee: What?) F-word still has 'em all beat internationally. I go to other countries, I still see &quot;fuck&quot; on the wall. I never see &quot;nigger&quot; written on a wall.<br /> <br /> 12:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Interesting<br /> <br /> 12:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :When I was in Italy, I didn’t see &quot;nigger&quot; anywhere.<br /> <br /> 12:17 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :But you went to the fascist leader’s house. (Doug Misicko: Actually, I was in a fascist-) The guy who started the fascist-<br /> <br /> 12:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I was in a fascist neighborhood, right outside the Vatican, and it was a real nice, clean area, but you would see swastikas spraypainted. You know, like the crosshairs. I don’t know what you call that, you know, but it was a fascist symbol. [https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/celtic-cross A circle with just the crosshairs in it]. With… little fascist logos or anything else. It was a clean area, ''nice'' area. If you went to the shitty side of town on the wrong side of the tracks in Rome, saw little hammers and sickles painted on the walls and shit like that. That was the difference.<br /> [[File:Sun cross O con noi o contro di noi.png|200px|right]]<br /> 12:54 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Wow, that’s crazy.<br /> <br /> 12:56 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think it says a lot, and I think it stands to reason...<br /> <br /> 13:01 '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :And you bought that T-shirt. What did your T-shirt say?<br /> <br /> 13:04 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Uh, in Italian it says “you’re with us, or you’re against us.” And it was- it’s a- It’s a ''fascist'' shirt. It was a ''fascist'' logo on it. I actually got it at a little fascist kiosk outside of Gabriele D’Annunzio’s palace.<br /> <br /> 13:19 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :And who is that again?<br /> <br /> 13:21 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He was a- y’know- he was like the first fascist. He was the ''godfather'' of fascism. Italian World War One hero that occupied the promised territories, after the First World War. With the Blackshirts. One of those- One of those hidden heroes. People should look him up. Look him up on the internet... Good deal.<br /> <br /> ==Missing N Section III==<br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Letter I */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Whoo ha ha AEC see Isaac is it oh so sad because I will see you soon as they decide so so the idea girls will all join together on the letter D ea, ea. T. Do you do at the end of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:37<br /> :the day di, di di Di Di, di you are gifted<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :Thank you. Jay Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay, you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:15<br /> :a good day<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Dog. Yes. Can't even hear you. Try it again. Okay. Oh, there we are. Very good. Amy. Hello. I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk in the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :We're reprised privacy. I wrote prettier. How do you say that? Reprising Yeah. We're reenacting our roles in the 911 broadcast right now. Refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time remember your rights here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :that, an order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show and bands that start with the letter A or B or C we really don't have a name but the alphabet show the alphabet show Doug says the ABCs of hate that you know how typical Phil? Phil how your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably worried so difficult. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :What was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it should be the ABCs without w is our world is a world without<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :W What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know they call the president? W<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :our world is dominated by W but it wasn't<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :speaking of a asphalts stripe CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking Hey, now see? See asshole. animosity, aggravation.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :And then sub phallic. Oh, hey, that's my favorite a word that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What does that word again? And then so phallic. Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :It's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the clap sets and little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :Happened to Princess?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies. Wow. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that is what happened to Princess kid. And a phallic Jelic<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Do you smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? A brain<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :couldn't tell you. But what does it what does that again and then so phallic. And I said a phallic? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :I got it. Well, we're onto another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :making up words. Doug's just fucking with true word medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, good stories. John. Dawg. You gotta get stories about NFL Vladik.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met, but if anybody's willing to sell me one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickle punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had was princes son.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they will know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. That starts with a yeah And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy and Amy, my favorite a word of off, Amy. Beautiful, Amy. You're sweet. Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running to the streets angry looking for a mad fix. zactly something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? No. So angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier good story. I think about something about Angel we said was we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, Well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything at all. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A S. and, you know, she thought she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She I don't know. Maybe if she higly I paid extra she may have that's why she was so filled out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, Well, maybe she get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town and these people, she was really disgusted by the it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ash. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just felt there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been Yeah. Or she had really long fingernails or something. She<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked at that trade said it was common that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty and a lot of the girls had figured that was they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty and sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta get anal story. Oh, okay. One time. I stuck a candle in the skies. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep? No, no, he<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was right away.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Okay, take your pants off if you wanted to get right all right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So so this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :Hold on. Well, I mean in chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. explaining it was I do like my ass work. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your boy you're eating nutty chocolate, I realized<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :was a born again Christian. I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the password. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :He I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :do you mean hot looking? No. I mean, it was frictions creating heat,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, Ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :it was cool. All that out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :The candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke up and inside of them. And I didn't tell them or anything. I just had to go eat poop it out later, but it probably had to go to the doctor for that. No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop dog think I gotta<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :ask. All right. Well, I've never had grass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess I guess you guys perhaps Perhaps you ever thought about it now?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Sweaty down below thinking about it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Now if it did I do it but it hasn't. So I haven't you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :there's the process. stayed up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :This right here. Male G spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :a gay man told me that before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about a gay man once told me and now I'm looking at you again. Exactly. Doug's given me the one brown eyes got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :it was a gay guy. Another<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :fucking beat your fucking Scullin like a goddamn white man. Where I live radio. I just told the whole email group to join in another gay man. That<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :was gay guy. DJ Oh, you know who used to date was Daniel Day Lewis. Anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :we'll save that for DS tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis get his ass worked. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :I was having a after hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, Hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true all you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Night Well, I hear a legend in urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. No, if you stop shooting loads sick pulls up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. Oh, really? Yeah, but friend of mine Monty claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves jerk you off. And tickle work your ass their finger. Oh, he claims I just don't think I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :i Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. That's why if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's my doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's man you can if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcraft nice t shirt. You got their fellow?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a John Ashcroft. Doug drew a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :really cool t shirt. He's an artist, a fine artist. I like to call him but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, non joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one I don't know. You stick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does that he does have one eye<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :but I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good Irish just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t shirt that we're going to be selling on three ring radio.com and evil now.com and dis genex.com and horror of horror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful a. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :the ego. So you're listening to it all day. Like,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? Michael Moore. All right, right. He's related to the guy in the process.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right Robert? grimston. Robert,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :right hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the PS Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it as craft as craft the parlor. That's the point I'm making. As craft. I just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :got to add I think is craft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen all of us. I don't know what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :We're Focht now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with like ask crowd isn't asked. Right. I don't have I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Do you pointed him he pointed all the losers as as Croft last elections Senator in Michigan Spence Abraham last fuckin election gets appointed head of the department of energy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :here it's playing right now I can't turn it down below me stop this. See that was as craft sorry go ahead I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine yes Croft was singing the world standstill and Ashcroft sings<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :as Croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing is the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned. Fucking hedge and De Niro<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :hanging with dog is like hanging with the goddamn teacher in my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So I could feel smarter than his friends. Okay. On<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, neighborhood Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ashcroft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit. 911.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. So what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Well, to hear it right now. Go ahead. We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs. Of Fate fill.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :Fill the alphabet show the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :alphabet show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while Amy's call it the alphabet show. Doug has the name the ABCs of filigree fuckery and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word. fuckery isn't it? Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :better go<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :motherfucker bitch fuckery is my word motherfucker. My word motherfucker and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :using dumb factory but fuckery to describe time foolery and you know grab ass what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tip when I was sucking your mama's tip before you are round by the use of fuckery motherfucker all right in all fuckery Yeah, that's my name of the show pure fuckery letter fuckery something okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you actuals as a play playing Doug Doug Hello. I don't know All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by shozy We're gonna have this shit taken care of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:01<br /> :to Golden Golden's.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:10<br /> :oh hi cheese never saw before Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:18<br /> :from rocky coast to Golden shores.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:21<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing pleadings<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:37<br /> :as the land beneath her sings.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:39<br /> :Only God love other kings. Let the mighty Eagles oh, oh.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:59<br /> :This country's far too young. She's still got to live<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:06<br /> :with God. No other kings. Let the mighty Eagles Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:20<br /> :no, she's cried a bit for what we've put her<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:23<br /> :through. She soared<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:27<br /> :above the lifted lamp. Guard sweet freedoms though. In the dues the dance the watch fires of a nation torn by Whoa.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:41<br /> :She's far too young to die. You can see it in her eyes. She's not yet begun to fly. It's time to let mighty Eagles the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:55<br /> :Eagles saw Oh Oh like she's never saw before Oh, from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:06<br /> :rocky coast to Golden shores<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:09<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing wanes<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:24<br /> :as the land beneath her says things only God<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:32<br /> :no other key things. Let them mighty soul Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :you've got to love the fucking John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:52<br /> :God loves them. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :Oh yeah. You see sung man at a press conference? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :you know the better a look at my list of A's is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. Not at all. Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pissy All right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of policy and he's very obsessed. They're not around with that is good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, get can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking Empire by now. Right? Right. I mean, he has too much fucking time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :I can't. That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 911 show last year on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first right? Yeah, you can't listen to we're history bitch. You're talking to Brian fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And Betsy Ross over here. We're history<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :Dolly Madison,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolly Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You're driving it something like that? I was. Yeah. What? Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have as you can see from my Rotunda bill, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any motherfucker going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it or is he's involved in the pipe trade glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like five $10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the rosin. And I mean, ami freaks out because I am a real fucking I've got a real bad addiction to weed when it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something as this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because I fucking knee these<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:59<br /> :things. cocaine, alcohol, mocking me these days.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel. Dude, I fucking need these things. I need these things. Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. And addiction. Well, you need like fun. Yeah. Well, sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You don't want it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship feed off, man. And it's more than<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :the ritual of it smoking Amy talked about the ritual of smoking is setting up the bong and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a doll blade. No. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :you're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for Wu.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that we only got five minutes left. How<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :long is your song? Two minutes and 44 seconds. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's Only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You that's the only time it's bad the addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for 24 hours show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without you know that it's it's fun when you have you know those things to come for you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. What do you mean when you look at me being addicted? Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call says come on over. All right. The booty call? Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :Here that ladies. That's Doug Ed. Pussy. I'm call on call. Dick. What's your website? Again? Dis Genex. Yeah, ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy cut. Oh. Oh, that was your brother. Sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. It is for me. It's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an attic until it's gone. When it's gone. You seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say I could use a fucking weed right now. Sure I can fucking use a joint was sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :Exactly that sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :y'all get on your knees.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''27:11<br /> :I need these things. You know what<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know everyone I've been surrounded with as an addict. So I've never been addicted<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :for a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for I pain. But when the pain went away and stopped smoking it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :it was a good medicine for you. Yeah, well addictions get bad because you really need so much I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke if I get an eighth. I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore and I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :oh god she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now she's gonna call these<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :we didn't cover abuse the other a word<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. Well, what's the name of the song public assist to play that for pee pee P we'll play it for p so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot wanted to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's it goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes you Dick It's hard when you're beaten on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink deck. My dork could talk about that for my hog. The problem with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> :abuse though is you got 20 seconds they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are by<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy Thank you. This Gen x.com horror of horror.com and evil now.com my consent feiyr.com and three ring radio.com Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week be. That was great. Yeah well I think it's gonna go great<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:02<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:24<br /> :you know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on mycuntsonfire or evilnow.com Mycuntsonfire.com, uh, clubhate.com, threeringradio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. Thewhoreofhorror.com. And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug MiSeq noise is I think, how do you say the last name? Messner. Missy. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say his acquaintance. Doug Messner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:53<br /> :That's me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:54<br /> :And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug [unintelligible] is I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''02:04<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:05<br /> Mes-- Mesi--. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:17<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:19<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner, it's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does dysgenics.com He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds with the reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:45<br /> :you know I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss 'the A show' go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :A is for addiction. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''03:05<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''03:06<br /> :Cuz,I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:08<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family you know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies. They're good though. That's a tested that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my...Well, I'm asking for it. But you know-- r<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :but they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :they're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :I don't know about that partner.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:00<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:01<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:08<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:10<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:10<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:14<br /> :All right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:15<br /> :--before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :Come on. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:40 <br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:53<br /> :Lavende r Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:58<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:00<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbeee '''05:02 <br /> :It's her favorite cookie. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:03<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Lacey Okay, here's the deal with the lacI Peterson lavender cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:24<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered--<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:26<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:28<br /> :--and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:36 <br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:37<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Anencephallic.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death. They would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:58<br /> :Oh. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbeee '''05:59 <br /> :-with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her--D-...hr killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent a--Connard! That's the kid's name--Ah 'C'. Yeah, Doug, you mix me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:23<br /> :How'd I do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:24<br /> You explained who Lacey Peterson was.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:25<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you, I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. We have a healthy lifestyle. So that kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:52<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:54<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:55<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though at least.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:01<br /> :Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000 Man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:13<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:16<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :long pork? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:22<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:22<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:24<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:34 <br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:35 <br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect and hate. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:43 <br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see Eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at. I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people no problem and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:06<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought 'Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism,' you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to...I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I...I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:42<br /> :Stalingrad. During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, There's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''08:54<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''08:54<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:00<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say 'oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.' And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'--Cabrini Green. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of Candyman, Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in 'C' the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''09:34 <br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:37<br /> :Oh, I'm getting spooked by C. Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects. And they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub. And they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:00<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:01<br /> And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the--<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :Now.<br /> <br /> '''Shan Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :--the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The-- <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:09<br /> The Historical Society?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:10<br /> :Historical Society. And you can...this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the real...keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not--. I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true. To the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :Waste not, want not <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:53<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:54<br /> :Chikatilo. Cannibal. See. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:56<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:57<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:01<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news and I was spray painting all over the town. Chikatilo, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:15<br /> :Communism. C. Chikatilo. C. Cannibalism. We are 'C motherfuckers'. CCCP.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:21<br /> :Pumping out all the C's.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:23<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner park before but that's D but they were cannibals.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Cannibals they...Cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane. And he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:10<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:20<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:21<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:22<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Cemetery. 'C.'<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:35<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:35<br /> My favorite 'C' is 'cunt' and I just love saying 'cunt'. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think Sex in the City and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six--Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a 'cunt-tree' in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever...Next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets. They had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:12<br /> :Oh that's right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''13:13<br /> :And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the C word was the way I said 'Oh the C's though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:35<br /> :You know, a book was put out called Cunt. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:41<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:46<br /> :All right, I mean, right. That's great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:49<br /> :When my dad was also--.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:50<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna-. Every time a 'C word is gonna come up, any word. You know, there was a book called 'demented eggs'. You know book--You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They don’t though, Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about...<br /> <br /> 14:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, they don’t!<br /> <br /> 14:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We’re talking coloreds at the letter c. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really black neighbor with a black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. 'Hey,' and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 yards to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''14:43<br /> :He was the white chap? C.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''14:44<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me 'Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. but us black--us niggas, As he said--niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy. And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and 'we don't eat pussy, motherfucker.' That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :when my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them 'crispy critters'. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:22<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her cornflakes--'C.'--and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about 'crispy critters'. 'C' again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore, of horror.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:51<br /> :I couldn't I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''15:56<br /> :You couldn't chow on that. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee ''''15:57<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it. Finally--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:01<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :No, I was I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''16:04<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''16:05<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''16:08<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time--Cockroaches. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement basement. It was like a half built basement. And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light--in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the whole wall was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the colored--cockroaches. All 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day. Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said colored the wrong way. Did I say 'nigger' and not 'nigga'? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:17<br /> :I burped. Excuse me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:18<br /> :Oh burped. B. That was last show Amy --but the wall moving---and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr-- and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:41<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''17:44<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:45<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:48<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:48<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:49<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them bolted.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:06<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:11<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:14<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat them too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:16<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for-. That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :You'd just snack. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:33<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:42<br /> :you'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:44<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:05<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:06<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:07<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:10<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. 'C', bitch. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:20<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:21<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:28<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. 'C'. Double 'C'. And the song is 'Come Down Here'. Another 'C'. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:36<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:36<br /> :I liked The Cocks better<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :RevCos great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''19:39<br /> :That starts with 'R'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:40<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:40<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:43<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :We're low on the 'R's, okay?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:52<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes and she took over. We did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, Record Player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes, Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:10<br /> :Come down here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:11<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow cunnilingus I got we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''20:20<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''20:23<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> '''[SONG PLAYS UNTIL 25:39] '''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:29<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for 'B'. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:24<br /> :All right. It's the Lacey Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's bound to have it. All right, 5/8th cup butter, a half cup sugar, one egg, a tablespoon of lavender flowers, one and a half cups all purpose flour. And sugar, powdered sugar. And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they gotta get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''27:41<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''27:43<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:45<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me--.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:47<br /> :It wasn't enough at least<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial, and you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. 'C' for condolence. This is the alphabet show the ABCs of filth, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evilnow.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :I'm Amy from whoreofhorror.com and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:26<br /> :And this is Doug from dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Doug Messner<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:32<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:46<br /> :We never even got to converts.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:48<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot Christians. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, Cunts, cocksuckers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:14<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story to.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:18<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''29:28<br /> :Oh I guess it is <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''29:29<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:32<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. I had a friend that gave me that today. Said hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs? Amy. I think in a past life was a Coke Whore. Because she's like, 'I'll take that motherfucker.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:50<br /> :I was never a coke whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:53<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for dickhead and dumb. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now we're just gonna start them out you know so we're gonna Amy a couple of seconds and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:13<br /> :Every day in my eyes all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 323<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved as children obey your parents<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:42<br /> :child is known by doings proverbs 2011 44. Season we'll talk about it so we don't lose<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:05<br /> :weight Psalm 3413<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Isaiah 4522 Block Mr. Boyd again done<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:42<br /> :thanks to the Lord for His good<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:49<br /> :alphabet not the Spirit First Thessalonians 519<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:01<br /> :First, okay, we're gonna stop that sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy. Hello, and Doug. Right? We're working on. It seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter this week or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows and play them. But this show is D. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows a b and c he missed Angel. Some good angel stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby story, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. who started last time. C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies A's and I think dog has to start. Oh, you're right. I forgot we have a dog and the D. No big headed dog is his technical nickname Ron. So<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it's so it's my letter. Yeah. God damn right. Well, I got GE Right. Right, right. Damn it. Damn right. So I got another highfalutin word like a head for a such a dick. But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :and believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I I have this in my head. Anyway. We don't What the fuck do you think we are? Why didn't consult a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You don't want later. We're going to have for AI. We're going to insert a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Anyways, defenestration is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt what is definitive what the faulted fenestration is when you jump out of a window, why can't you just say jump out of the window or crazy motherfucker? Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say, if you say one word he died of defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :Where did you find out about this ever say how people died in obituaries?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:34<br /> :But if you were gonna write an obituary,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :no, your eulogy? No, if you were gonna buy it, right obituary, where did you find out about this word though? really dug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. You know, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :know, Doug reads Dix, the dictionary Wally's.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:48<br /> :I know Dick But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:52<br /> :anyways, he steals a skull out of a crypt in France, and he crashes it to get out it was one of those. This is a story about your friend you Yeah, the drunken murderer jumped out of a window. Yeah, but and his defenestration? Yeah. But he had this skull. And then this is in France, he went to France, and he figured out like this skull, but it's crypt tour, so he has to crash it a fucking skull. You know? As you know, they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:22<br /> :And this is a drunk. Yeah, that's the drunk we drew on his D for dry. We drew on his face with markers when he passed out and he's a total dick. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the Spanish defender.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Anyways, he got roaring drunk that night in France. What a dick. And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two story window.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :And where's he from? Detroit. Wow, he's got the four DS going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with Dick drunk the Federation Detroit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:02<br /> :Alright, and right. I tuned from Detroit. So it stands to reason. Yeah. Doug from Detroit. Yeah, it's everybody's fall as they say it is. Detroit. Oh, fuck yeah. I was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. Full Swing. Oh, no, they burn they burn that city down every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons one, but you were just telling me I didn't even hear the news. Nine people got shot.<br /> <br /> ’’’Shane Bugbee  '''06:34<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:40<br /> :Yeah, it was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:43<br /> :Eight years ago, huh? It was a you know what I mean? He was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit. That was shit that was on fire. And it wasn't no devils night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something is fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :Or she was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be nothing left to burn in this fog? And it's not just devils night. Oh, no. Is it like arson capital? It's where it's at. I mean, but sometimes I've heard different stories I've heard sometimes it's people collecting. I don't know, like the landlord protect, you know, collecting property value somehow by burning this place down, or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shed on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:38<br /> :Hey, I saw the m&amp;m Eight Mile movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:44<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:51<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the colored<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> :place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Bucket is your carpet vomit and start again.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :What's your D word? Ami or D you got a neat thing to throw out there D<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :def drugs Doom and Dennis doll?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:09<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over drugs with addiction. So why don't you do death? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website horror of horror.com There's some really fucked ups that Amy's tales of woe on there are some really fucked up stories and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, or the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shifts that she's in the real Amy lives in the real man and now is Charlie's I say in the real All right, motherfucker, don't correct me. corrections on see it's the real, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay. Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped down to the brains popped out of the top.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:28<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex boyfriend? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how bigger friends are what they do. They better kill me. I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:49<br /> :right you know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book dead people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :used to know great store. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea because Oh, I know it's gonna get stolen now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:02<br /> :I think people know enough dead people to fill a book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :The lie. It's some current like Jim go to listen to his still dead people I used to know, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that see for Kant.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:15<br /> :Oh, I gotta get one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :story I'm sorry to interrupt dead people. I used to know that's a book Amy's going to work on. And that's a great working on it. Yeah, right. She's worked. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top my head?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple 100 I probably know quite a few.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :A couple 100 is exaggeration. Okay. 100. I mean, Amy does know how many how many of your girlfriend's have ended up in the lake over here? A couple, two or three right couple? Yeah. And hopefully shit. No shipment will read a paper story. There'll be some of the news. There was a girl that have been late game because I bet that's one of my friends. And sure shit. It is. This is the killing fields out here. That's Cal city, the Calumet region. So talk to me. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Well, we recently Shane had a friend over from serial killer Central. And we were taught case central case central.com Joe, and we were talking about serial killers in this area. And there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid. I knew this family, the Knicks edge family. In fact, I dated the youngest nixes in junior high, but the oldest one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew peewee who was like this hat guy who never went to school ever in his entire life. I think he dropped out in second grade. And he owed Eddie Nick's edge and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Nick's edge his friend and his friends dad, kill, PeeWee and the guy he's with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, hey, how you doing? They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend who is this now the dead front is peewee peewee graves. fitting name, huh?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest graves. This is real names. Everybody. I always knew him as peewee and when they got caught, of course, you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk. Of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight eight girls and dumped him in Powder Horn Lake so he turned out to be a serial killer for hot up.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:59<br /> :Death. So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed not<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :I need two of them. I knew Eddie Nick's edge one of the killers. And I knew peewee the Kili as it were.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:11<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:17<br /> :That's funny deal. You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for that one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:25<br /> :I know you put a dirty sanchez on both of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths I saw I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was you know, Oh, really. As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I poke at the eye. You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face I'd like poke the cheek. And I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it crapped it all cracked apart. And I ran I run up the stairs<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :on run Krakow like the makeup coming right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like oh my god, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and I'll talk more about the funeral home and if in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the makeup. It was so much makeup caked on there. That That cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My ankles like what happened Who taught you know did that? And you know, I said I ran into him with a flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and When it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover the reader and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever they call my parents say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's I can't top Amy's death stories<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :with you. There's death D. Dana Plato.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:19<br /> :Yeah, Dana, why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:24<br /> :why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:26<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that book and CD I did. And I left it behind. That's why I did that book. And CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking 10s of 1000s of dollars from extra and the National Enquirer and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job. So when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question. It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to be friend, someone. And then. And then I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had. She started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her and she really wanted to live that life. And she's full of that and had potential to do something cool. And do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life. So I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? No, I want to know about that. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never I didn't really know her I didn't you know, I don't know what she I've never seen anything she was in or<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:21<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, I'm a little older than you I grew up watching Dana played on TV and she was about probably a little older than older than me. But she was different strokes, different strokes. And I'd seen that it was like a pre pre pubescent type of AD D different strokes, right? It was a pre pubescent type of love affair TV love affair. I think I whacked off to her one of the first whack apps I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring it up to Chicago to get her top off on the internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book a Coffee Table Book of Memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :well. There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato. No, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in her butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger? Your own ass and then smeared across her upper lip? Or doesn't matter?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:45<br /> :Are you asking me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:46<br /> :I'm asking you I thought I remembered he Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that. I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a prostate rub once in a while has nothing to do with human oleation degradation, degradation or you know gross.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Can you imagine the mixed drink dirty Santa?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:09<br /> :I would imagine a dirty sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:15<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:22<br /> :On a or some further back and yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. Yeah, you know serve and protect man you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rub it on your nose.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:39<br /> :Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :What song we play an AMI. You gave me a song here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :What is it? Dye wars.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any venom in the mix? All right, well, DJ I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say dye wars all you know and just<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:00<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another D song for E because I got nothing for E Eazy E. Oh there we<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :go easy motherfucking e e that's what I got when I look flip on page e it says ed the creep and E easy motherfucking E and of course my favorite subject Eagle die wars a good song I think right Alright, enjoy the song kiddo.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:31<br /> :This is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:49<br /> :Matt<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:43<br /> :You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:45<br /> :song ended pretty abruptly. Let's go were that was Chris Connolly was or no. They sound the fucking same to me gay and Doug loves them and that the letter is D and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter. You<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:09<br /> :know what I wanted to ask you to? I don't know if you'd be covered the fucking door you had a story somebody's trying to bust down your door<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:20<br /> :we'll use that for another one break in a robbery or something like that break. I was gonna say dad, but I can't I don't know the door. I'll go door fucking door. Amy. You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door. Remember? You guys Doug. What did that talk about? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home and the fucking asshole can't dirtiest pot dirty D a dickhead politicians. They don't do anything here anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. i Come on, talk to Amy about it. And she says Oh yeah, the guy was creepy. You know he's over here over there. I shut the door lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuck and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the goggle the fuck do you need? And he goes oh, you know like he was I was looking for some kids. He walks away while I call the fucking cops Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond dickhead cop cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like Rodney fucking King. It was it was great to see because the Asheville tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass and the guy fought back a lot. So there's the door story. How do you like that door? They're in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:05<br /> :good for the winter. Oh, yeah. Well,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:08<br /> :I have a hole in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat her I wonder why I got a walk in case in pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom. And then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. So you get this breeze from the doors. Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D boring. I wanted to say dad, or my brother Derek or the one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up my real like my father was my father but my dad was Steve Dahl. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a doll.com D H L you'll see. He's the guy who did oh, Disco Demolition. He's the guy who did that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager. 10 years or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco record. Disco sucks disco suck. So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco. And he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there everyone's smoking weed and he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man known as a DJ but he's nationally known and rare. Wango Tango is playing right and Ted Nugent big speakers. And they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil now.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy horn horror of horror.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:33<br /> :Doug just genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked we'll be playing some Eazy E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:40<br /> :no more industrial music till P<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life Amy. Horror horror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==EAZY-E - Real Muthaphuckkin G's==<br /> 17:36<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''[singer]  '''00:00<br /> A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z<br /> Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:21<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah maybe Cs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth. Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug interjects: E) Oh, I guess (Amy: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter E. And now we're on F. And this is a show what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with fat. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about, was good conversation. Amy, F, What do you have for F, I have I have my man Farrakhan. Fat of course, that's, that's my middle name. Fucked up - I like to get, and failure. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising. I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:27<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:29<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:38<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:46<br /> Would that be a Feud?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like &quot;leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:58<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit and there's no reason - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:08<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug: All right), isn't that it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:35<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, you would cum inside the ass and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :That well. I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turnon to people.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing Clerks where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, what's a snowball? It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, oh, dude you've done that? You know, it's it was in Clerks. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:37<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:45<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night Bully, and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says Son, I have an electronics store for you and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:13<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:15<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:17<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:24<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:28<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right, that would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:45<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whoreofhorror.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:04<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whoreofhorror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here and I'm Shane, evilnow.com Among other things, Michael, mikehuntsonfire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:54<br /> :Not much good. (Shane: Not much good?)<br /> I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat food force fiends fuck factories fist fire and fill.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced either/or.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:16<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:21<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:58<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policeman had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her and I mean it's a closet you know, you would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:35<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Yaknow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire/fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie Backdraft once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:46<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:51<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like God, what the fuck is this? You know, and Amy's like, Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends. And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke crazy. Crazy man crazy. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:29<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:34<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist, they think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says well, he's probably a fireman. You know...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:03<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old old news.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:16<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:22<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about food and fat these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have, not an addiction but as a definitely comfort. I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and good food I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :We actually have two. Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:38<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:42<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing..?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:02<br /> :Right...mic Ben?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:04<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:09<br /> :So if it was Mike, Pat and Faith No More who'd been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :Carl McCoy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:06<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :number eight, For Her Light. F.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:12<br /> :Oh look at you. For Her Light.<br /> <br /> ''[Fields of the Nephilim - For Her Light plays]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:15<br /> :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. <br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:25<br /> :A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. Happy, happy all are we. Now we learn ABCs. Now we learn our ABCs...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :You dumb fucking cunt. Hey, Doug.<br /> <br /> 01:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Yeah?<br /> <br /> 01:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> We're ''on'' now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. <br /> <br /> 01:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, you could sip your soda pop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:24<br /> Why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones... And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only- I always say is- what we call this yester- &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot; or &quot;Filth&quot; and &quot;The Alphabet Show&quot;? And it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour, we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind. And we say the letter &quot;G&quot;, we start talking about and trying to tell stories and ''trying'' to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to. So we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. ''Ayy-mee''.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Late to the studio. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> G to G for- I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:23<br /> For Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 02:25<br /> The shittiest shithole.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. *laughs* Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good party.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit ''thinks'' they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills, closed down steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talking, Amy. Tell us about Gary. Gary's your &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my &quot;G&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for G? Last night- Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to- find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the Gs or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G-spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Go, gas, gag, gaggle. I don't know. Gardening...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the G-spot. So.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :Have I found it? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee''' 03:38<br /> Of course. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> Really? &quot;Of course.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :We wouldn't still be married if you didn't. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :I don't know if I found it or not.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You should be told. You should be told these things. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''  03:50<br /> You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :We've talked about it in detail. I thought.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:54<br /> We did? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed, Amy. Without me. Uh-huh. And what is that with green? G. You smoke the green? Come on, Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh, Gregory Reed. We pray- we- Do we have his phone number?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self-appointed expert in occult crime. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 04:34<br /> Fuckface.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal, murdering thousands each year. (Second one there.) And we call him the other day and we're calling him on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad- (Hey, you might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day.) Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the supposed Satanists, this &quot;satanic cartel&quot;, as he called it, and we callrf his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :You're doing the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. *call goes to answering machine* Noooo. <br /> <br /> '''Greg Reed (Answering machine)'''05:34<br /> Hi, you've reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with ORCC. Please leave me a brief message with your name and number, and I'll get back to you. Thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> See, he calls himself a doctor. He's not a doctor. We found out he's a ''painter''.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :This is message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stockey. Location, my number is 219-931-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello? Alright, keep talking please, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregory Reed and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow-up response was to her follow-up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly is what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reed. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to- What's wrong, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's your note pad. It sounds good flying at your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> : Yeah, it sounds good. Gregory Reed then. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying, &quot;I can tell by your tone where this is going.&quot; And I had no tone, really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole- When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he- he lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or ten books that- that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> Yet he's a doctor. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> Yeah, he starts stuttering, he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :Well, he named off ''two'' after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bunk and another one was just a common occult bookshop staple called &quot;Black Magic&quot; by Cavendish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic &quot;cartel&quot;. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :Well, Gregory Reed is barely a G, so let's get on with the G for &quot;garbage&quot;. Anything else? Come on? It's boring.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Garbage.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> GG Allin. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> GG Allin, now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggests &quot;door&quot; for D and &quot;Gregory Reed&quot; for G. Gregory Reed being so fucking boring I'm falling asleep here... GG Allin, now that's cool. Where's my G- did we ever find my GG Allin CD?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :No, we never did find it. We found the case, but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that. Or bean dip and pretended it's shit. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, I'll go get the beans. <br /> <br /> ==GG Allin and sexual assault attempt==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, well, GG Allin was great. I did the- GG Allin, I got a GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Which one?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> About when you used to write to him and talk to him. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :Yeah, so I used to write to GG Allin and longtime ago I used to do a zine. And GG Allin- we were corresponding before he went to prison. And after he went to prison- you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call, and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the GG Allin Manifesto, I think it's called. The GG Allin Mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine ''Naked Aggression''. Originally, the- his mission statement. And the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about is- &quot;People. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me. They want to hang out with and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking burned, baby burned.&quot; And I always remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show. They had- he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, &quot;Hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out.&quot; And I said, &quot;Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man.&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 10:09<br /> That's goddamn right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 10:11<br /> Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark ''Fagula'' Hayner. And &quot;Fagula&quot; was his real name, too. And he had toured with GG Allin and did a video did some video, GG Allin. And he talked about the time his- it was funny, hetell me, &quot;why I hung out with GG Allin. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me.&quot; And I go, &quot;Well, tell me about it.&quot; He's like, &quot;Dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me, really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off,&quot; and he had his pants off, GG Allin was naked with a hard-on, fuckin' trying to rape Mark Haner. And it was really funny, like, &quot;What happened, Mark?&quot; And he looked- he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes? You know, they don't look you in the eye. Marks like, &quot;Well, I got out of there, of course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room.&quot; To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hole or something. Like, like, I think there was more than- I think his pants may have came down... And I didn't say he actually raped him. Because he did follow through with the rest of the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :What can you do though? I mean, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think- GG wasn't actually a big guy, was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any match for him, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :You don't have to be though. It's those crazy fucking skinny fucks like you got to worry about because they got nothing- They just go crazy. It's called &quot;retard strength.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rape me. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Wouldn't you? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retard strength. I think GG Allin and had retard strength from the get-go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :...I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. &quot;I want this. But he isn't- hasn't showered for days.&quot; That's torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :It's all fun and games till somebody starts throwing shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :Or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :Right. So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Yeah, right. I remember him touring and thinking, &quot;Huh, that might not be the show to attend.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Geeg. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :GG Allin. Or George- or George Michael.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Didn't the Secret Service visit you because of GG Allin?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story. That's why I asked which one. I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay, so I got the- I am, I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a Secret Service, and it was after GG Allin and wrote the &quot;Mission Statement&quot; for ''Naked Aggression''. He had also come up with a single- I think on the other one, but he has a single called &quot;Kill the President&quot;. And it is it was like, &quot;Kill the president fuck the pigs&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :Hey! that's a it's quite a concept. (Shane Bugbee: Right?) Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the Secret Service comes there to question me. And it was wild why- it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black. They had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, a kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped, and they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. I pop his trunk open, and this is before home computers now. I'm talking- this is before the big home-computer explosion. This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now. I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this. Rhere was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :Like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family [burden?] that they had the shit right there. And I was like, you know, it was- it was- it was there they had the tools, they had the tools to take you down right there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :Imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta magnetic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange, and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :That's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like national ID cards like they're used for now. Used- but they're not you know, used to identify- It was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you to to law enforcement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right? Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving, you get pulled over, you don't have any form of ID over a certain age, I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you, check- I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income [unintelligible] that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening? &quot;My Greek Wedding&quot;? I loved it. &quot;My Fat Greek Wedding&quot;? I'm fat, man. I love Greek openings- Are you talking about ass play? &quot;Greek&quot; as in ass play? I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was all those motherfuckers digging in each other's asses, [unintelligible] fucking 'em like fuckin' mad. I think-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :Well, that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends. (Shane Bugbee: What was that?) The definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :&quot;Wide.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :&quot;Gopher holin'.&quot; Ever hear it? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gopher hole&quot;?) Yeah, gopher holin'. And it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know you're gopher holin'. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole, you're gopher holin' on<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :I was just gonna say, is that one of your [https://web.archive.org/web/20210423054732/https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Doug%20Mesner accomplishments in the Urban Dictionary].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :I didn't- In fact, I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life. Putting in &quot;gopher hole&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Someday in a thousand years, all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster's soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :Instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be &quot;Doug&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :&quot;Gastronomic&quot;? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gastronomic&quot;? Speak up.) I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :Hmmm. Baking soda helps. Have you ever used baking soda and warm water?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :&quot;Worm water&quot;? What's that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> ''Warm'' water.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :You mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like a shot. (Crosstalk, Shane Bugbee and Amy Bugbee repeating &quot;warm&quot; and &quot;worm&quot;)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :It's that Gary, Indiana, accent. (Cross talk about smoking something from bag.)<br /> <br /> ==James Earl Ray's Brother==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :But baking soda and warm water will help my gas, like, better than everything, and you know who will agree with me on this? We hit it off famously after we said we [unintelligible] both you guys talking to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray James Earl Ray]'s brother on the phone.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :Nobody noticed you had gas yesterday. Yeah, I didn't know that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James Earl Ray's brother had- had we- we got along famously after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas problems.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :Yeah, that was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man. He was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James Earl Ray's funeral. You know, if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to- like to have done. And I regret not getting it do that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died, I called his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy ''accused'' of shooting Martin Luther King because I really didn't like Martin Luther King. I think he was [asking for it].<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother, and they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :We've been going on for hours about me. I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :And you brought up James Early Ray. I know that's not-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :You know as I look at you, I think &quot;gay&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Really?) Gay. Yes. I don't know why.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :No, James Earl Ray. Do you remember the stories-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :Amy brought up gay when she was looking at you the other night. She said, &quot;I just think gay.&quot; And now that's all I can think when I'm looking at Doug. Why do you why do you think &quot;gay&quot; when looking at Doug's eye?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :Hmm, I don't know. It must be [unintelligible] thing. Yeah. And the butterface discussions.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, it's the butterface discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :Yeah, and it says, &quot;James Earl Ray&quot; on it? You know it was some guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :You know it was. You know, they said it was a mistake (Shane Bugbee: Some fuckin' Klansman, fuckin' fucking with him.) No, no somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something. (Amy Bugbee: Or they smoked too much weed.) (Shane Bugbee: Amy, Amy...) Smoked the good one. The nugget-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :Thanks for bringing the fucking show [down]. (Amy Bugbee: Ohh nooo.) Now it's the Cheech and Chong Show. (Doug Misicko: The green.) So you're more fuckable- and I don't mean in the physical way. I could fuck with you more when you're stoned and I'm not. (Amy Bugbee: Are you playing GG Allin now or what?) Yeah, you want to play a song? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, we're not playing-) Which one? Well, we're playing &quot;Unrest&quot;, but we have a choice from here's some GG Allin this is off the CD ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks,_Faggots,_Drunks_%26_Junkies Freaks, Faggots, Drunks and Junkies]'', &quot;My Revenge&quot; (Amy Bugbee: Masterpiece.) Yeah, we can play &quot;My Revenge&quot;. &quot;Dope Money&quot;. &quot;Be My Fuckin' Whore&quot;. &quot;Suck My Ass It Smells&quot;. &quot;Dog Shit&quot;. &quot;Wild Riding&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :You have to play &quot;Suck My Ass It Smell&quot; in honor of Mark Gainers near-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:01<br /> :Because you see, it's about a friend of mine. He's from Detroit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. He's crazy. Why? If you dare him to do something he'll do it provided the money's right. Jesus Christ. I remember the time was in this pet store. We met him at Dollar. He wouldn't met the heads off on them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he beat the head off. Ah, one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw. I said Jay, you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life. He said that so Kay I'm $3 richer to NAS all those important to him. Ale I remember one time at this party, and we dared him to pee in the Punchbowl. He did it. CJ can be a real ass Oh sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him. Because he could pee right on cue. Are you believing they ship? Cars if not you kiss my ass. I Guaran damn tee you is true<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:50<br /> :remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had VD for $10 He said hell if you double your money. I'll make love to her brother. He would have done it do except we didn't have $20 playing the six. Now why Jay did this year I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got zero. This has been<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :done, Doug. Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this alphabet show. I play Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:38<br /> :That man is not funny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:40<br /> :and it's really stupid. Oh really. But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put ABC at alphabet and then whatever. But this is the ABCs of the alphabet or the alphabet of ABCs or the ABCs of filth and or the alphabet show whatever we don't really have a name it's a concept and all our topic is all we do is start this half hour internet talk show with the a letter and this week or not this week but this show is the letter H don't look at my age his motherfucking jerky change your<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:16<br /> :cheater hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :god dude don't talk about my name on the weekends don't ever tell people that you call me I'm fucking Saturdays again. The you know the mics are on duck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:29<br /> :Okay, well there's right okay good well your stage now go away.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Carl. Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :it's one Doug shaved my chest<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:40<br /> :all right actually there's debate as to what a proper hot Carl is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:43<br /> :what is a hot car and why are you all into the film stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You do have a hot girl pin no I have holiday Sanchez<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :it's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words from my own fucking pins and I don't like it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :all right, go ahead. You talked about you talked about your hot Carl what is how do you give a hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :listen I am i Car know what is hot car<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :what hot Carl's a scat sex act it's got to do a shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:12<br /> :with you dude.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :peppers. See that's the debate the debate is some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a Cleveland steamer. Or as other people say a hot Carl is is got. Anyway you caught it. Somebody's taking the shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. And then this is a letter H for Hi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:41<br /> :I'm sorry, Doug. Well, okay, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :want to hit me? No, no getting mad interrupting you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Carl. Now it's when you other people say it's when you leave and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. No, I'm leaving tomorrow. You know what The train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment and no one would own up to it. They all blame the dog.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot car. Oh, poor form that you didn't Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:18<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill and it was a second storey apartment. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :that's that's hot. As Paris Hilton Nicole Richards say that's hot.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :I should have neighbor's doorstep before really I lived in like this apartment complex one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings that I was working late night shifts and this person playing music very loud all day and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6am You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:47<br /> :I don't understand where you beat it on the wall just on a different time. Or did you be on a wall because they played well because they're playing music.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :Music<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. Couple.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:01<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I showed on their doorstep and the loud music did stop I think they put two and two together. And what was funny is it was kind of hard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:12<br /> train horn rage. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit and anybody could have driven by and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :saw tissue or anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:25<br /> :I took a few with me and then I finished the job when I you know, I wasn't I guess I wasn't. I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the US tissue on the door. Also there would have been there would have been a distinct message to it. I should have written on him beforehand. Fuck you, you know and stuck them. Why did you deal with ah, we went from hot Karl.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :I know you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I dug Carl dog I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :I don't need to be analyzed<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:58<br /> :shit taught coming from a dog though who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:05<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of hot coffee hot. Ah, I know that's not the good age like hot Cairo but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to hear this. I'm going to try to get as high as Amy but I don't know if that can ever be achieved from the hookah from the hookah. Doug's disgusted from the hookah dug straight edge freaks dug straight and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubble<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:32<br /> :dad like everybody getting higher on me. It's cool.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:36<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. We missed that for gas where I would have<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was that a busted Daisy? We learned yesterday.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the shit and Angel stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not you know, I know that sounds like you know, Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your eyes. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time I think you have you know that? You know the frozen hotdogs story and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:07<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog every high school. This is ah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :we need some eight stories. Amy What are your H words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:17<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have highpass accuracy home in Hammond homes and home.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :I love it. Well, what do you want to you want to you want to say Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:31<br /> :HH Holmes. That's Triple H.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:33<br /> :Zack was thicker him. Welcome.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :Say that guy is 100 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some kids. Or something to go further. Some goals out there. To 300 dead. Ah, ah, anything else? Your horror, horror of horror. Speak up. Let's hear a story about horrors or something from the horror. Well, we<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:59<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:00<br /> :So watched had had<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:02<br /> :the monkeys had the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:05<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. Yeah, never<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:09<br /> :seen the monkey's head dog. Just watch the tape. And this was the first time you've seen a dog. Give an honest review min.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:16<br /> :Ted I thought it was I Well, I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what year it was. But it seems well. Well, well before it's time. It seems like you know something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant garde. It kind of you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways seems like it's going somewhere if you walk away if you like you're gonna miss something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:43<br /> :sort of like the theme song that they have there. Just when you thought it over the beginning might begin or something like that, that should be saw. And so did you have any respect for the beetle or monkeys? Oh, bad note beetle. Oh my god. I'm a monkey's fan too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:58<br /> :Well, before I saw it, you Before you start, what<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :do you think of the Monkees?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :No, I always thought what I heard of them that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles some What do you think after you saw that? Yeah, they they obviously weren't, they obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot, at least the image that they were portraying before that a lot, you know, like I what I made of the in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned and know how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:40<br /> :For age, I do my duty dog do you do yours?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like sub stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :I like had in more than one way Oh, it was found about getting head is that and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head what? That's in No, we're talking about head and I'm comparing the two I used to really love head but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis. And I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feel and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel it would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think I wouldn't I will never know that but I really wish I could see my parents and I you know, but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of hate and filth in the alphabet show that we're doing here. Which is I'm Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:46<br /> :And I'm Doug. And I'm Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:49<br /> :and I run evil now.com Among other things, my content feiyr.com Three Ring radio.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:55<br /> :and I own the domain name dis genex.com Well, actually, oh, that explorer. Yeah, there's something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:02<br /> :can we well, we live in Hammond, Indiana on Holman on home and if you ever have ever seen the Christmas story that's home in Indiana, which is really Hammond Indiana, he just changed the street name and stuff. And he being Jean Shepherd. But Amy, any Hammond stories Hammond where we live we're broadcasting now is where A Christmas Story The movie is written about this is this is this is the area.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, summer story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good to that Phantom of the open her<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:40<br /> :heart was Matt Dillon. Middelen<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:43<br /> :you're cowboy. You don't know who Matt Dillon is? We are old. I think Amy like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking into Mama's womb or something. His ball sack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:56<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen drugstore cowboy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :Have you ever seen the outsiders? No,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:05<br /> :there was no there was like what Junior High girls like I thought was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :wrong. No, it's a good it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior. I grew like to say I'm a fucking hit. Yeah. Ah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:16<br /> :For hit you ever seen over the edge? That's a great movie. It's like his first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Yeah, over the edge is fucking snow or cold man. Really? He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:28<br /> :Sorry, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> I'm trying to think of a recent movie. He's been in<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :high school. Ah, I bet you we all have good high school story. Oh, fuck, but we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play High on Fire. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:42<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:51<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:55<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion, ‘cause that would make it go over there...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :For Zion, or from Zion?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :From Zion.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it, How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the only one that didn't get picked<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :as a good we'll just play the whole city and forget the fuck the show. will play. Is that one,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :one. Let's start with one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :Cool, high on fire. And let me let me let your kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing to a demo before this was not released. So you hear an unreleased high on fire. You You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug the story about high end fire. Let me hear okay, so high in fire they play this expo they're great great music musicians and Doug you've never heard high in fire right? Never. So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal this and so I have to explain to him how God like high on fire is so high on fire. They write this album called Jerusalem, this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song it's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great job. But it doesn't impress you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :I'd have to hear it I guess. I mean, but isn't that cool? That is cool. I can see an album like that being good. Well, you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:28<br /> :gonna hear some high on fire right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:29<br /> :Well, that's one of the that was sleep though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :Yeah, that was sleep. That was a bad sleep. That's a different band. But<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :Pike is like the leader of med pikes like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:39<br /> :a rock out he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit man he'll you know in the history annals of metal or rock and roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players and you're in do the faggy skinny puppy type stuff which Amy said the thing about skinny puppy is the bad thing about skinny puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:02<br /> :And I proved heterosexual and it's right at the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :maybe that's why you felt so strongly about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards and desert.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:58<br /> :Right<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:00<br /> :All right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :My son,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:18<br /> :same was what was that Amy? Matt pike from high on fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:28<br /> :So the turtle told him what his name was.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:31<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtles name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes and about a half an hour later, he said, your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:51<br /> :Myrtle of all things turtle ever said. Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:58<br /> :I don't know. It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:02<br /> :All right. I don't I don't doubt that it's name is murder. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:06<br /> :Absolutely done. He<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :was right. Then he was right. Heil. Yep, true. And in there. Hi. Oh, John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:17<br /> :Heil. Heil, Hitler.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:20<br /> :I couldn't think of another he just couldn't do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:24<br /> :It's such an obvious one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :You guys didn't have it? No. Are you? Are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? That's so obvious. Typical. Typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising. I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't an AMI? Not surprising? No, but what do you say to me?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:45<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:50<br /> :It's on my list. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:51<br /> :else is on your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:52<br /> :Hi. Like I was getting at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:04<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept What do you did with every, every time I leave class, he take the history book, which was the thickest book. And he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And it's so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damage as you can tell today. I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears. And so one time I took a belt and wrapped around books. Something like one of my father my uncle would say that said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :I want slit at pep assembly on fire and I did not get expelled for all those people. I used to get in trouble for most everything I did and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because it Caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. This thing went up. And I thought, oh shit, it's all over. But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. You never got caught the most amazing thing I never got caught for but speaking out whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a in my high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:27<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing Hitler use songs. It's fine. It's good March there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Maybe it can tell us. In high school. I used to have a swim class first hour. And this was when I was like, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :he's like saying that because I get high. And then I in high school. I always if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls. Yes, I'm stuck in the 80s all day. And you could just say I had a swimming class first period and Cory<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:58<br /> :major bloodshot, right? Yeah. But anyways, I didn't do that. But we had the stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office and then we're all supposed to not get in the pool. Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance which was US lining up and calling off number. Every fucking morning we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:19<br /> :That's like saying nigger for black guy. You can use a real time.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :Pleasant, Pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said it but it happened every single morning. They were so stupid. High school was all provoking people in getting in fights High School<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:57<br /> :was all about getting high.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high not going.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:04<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So then I went back because I got well, I got housed. Let's put it that way. I got a house for a month and a half in a county jail. And residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because that was absolutely the way different experience because it was a different school, right? No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so serious after that. We'll come back to school and they're just fucking kids and they're just fucking off talking about garbage. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids and I did not feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into you know, they make it hard to get a job you know you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know just because you don't want to go to school as a bad person in jail sounds<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:10<br /> :like a great resource for our kids.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:13<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson I walked the line but I don't think I'm absolutely will not that was a factor definitely experienced and I felt that came out of there Catherine sober person said you do that there's repercussions for what you do. And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers that play with other fucking people to problem every situation you're in six weeks in jail during that time I broke I had my pinky broken tried to punch someone I'm not much of a fiber and hit the concrete wall and my pinky because the guy was stealing my food and as a fat fuck not a fight No. Fucking Mike Tyson takes myself and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :eats your whole D<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:01<br /> :habit to fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:04<br /> :He broke him in jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:06<br /> :I broke my own Pinky. Yes. came out I was in the cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, Pinky with a gay father. It's honestly 26 seconds hermaphrodite the ABC show next week is what letter comes after h i i Da Doug Amy shamed by evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:35<br /> :dis genex.com for more.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:37<br /> :See you next week I this was h ABCs.<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the I show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over, we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> ==Israel==<br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:44<br /> :<br /> <br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> ==Doug proposes the nuclear option==<br /> '''Doug Misicko '''08:35<br /> :and I have respect for ancient history and archaeology but I would say make the fucking holy land to crater a radioactive waste and then tell them go to town it's all yours all you so let's go ahead pocket Solomon's temple gives a shit it's just it's gone to fucking fire it's gone to fucking fire exactly fence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :off the whole country and it can only be for tourists you know no one can live there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:01<br /> :Yeah free zone un whatever Martial Law No, no, no it was asshole should be there. If people really aren't you have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with churches churches or terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document and it's stupid.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:27<br /> :They've night the church<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :we need to ignite some churches here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptist it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the you know, like a dome.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :That's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like what eight tracks and then do another CD exactly. I thought it would have been cool<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't more Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing today<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :we're doing the alphabet we're starting each show with a letter and just going. That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme we bring up a letter first word comes to mind and we discuss this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black negros and sit and talk about<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:34<br /> :rotund. Yeah. Would I use that for the sauce<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:38<br /> :inflated for?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:40<br /> :Oh god? worse, worse than fat inflated. But like the five big flat fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:49<br /> :Big? I think it's five big, big inflated negros that discuss things on a show. Oh, no, there's some morning show. Yeah, nevermind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Is it the view?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:01<br /> :I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:02<br /> :Are they all negros? I think so. Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :She's a negro. Exactly. She's some No Oh, she's a she's in that word it she's a network nigger, is what she is right. She was paid one time she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity now Feds not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. Exactly. You know, she talked to him and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered nice man he is and everything else and the guys making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into everybody knew that smoking was bad for you. And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that you set a bad precedent you should be stopped, had been lying. It would have been different story or killed. Right? What were they lying about on medical records? Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that. It's up to them. Right when they lie about it. That's a whole different story. Same<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid. Tune<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:46<br /> :in for the last five minutes or 10 minutes of the F show. And you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:01<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called gardone Riviera. And that's where Gabriel dnn Zeos house was most people don't know who Gabriel de Nunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet, Italian I, yeah, Italy. So we went over that I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else and the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, di Nunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfeld's colons dicks and bushes, but anyways, he lost an eye in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers the black shirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the original Blackshirts. Those were the original fascists, and Mussolini aligned themselves with him in them in when he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about him. Do you Nunzio didn't like Mussolini, you saying you say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot for AI. And so when Mussolini came to power, right? dnn zo was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home and being that he spent their money like it was going out of style. It was beautiful. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room. I was bad was like a car and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :love that I've always wanted. And it's funny. You say that I've always wanted to have themed rooms,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :and he had one where the the theme was discovered hand there's hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was he was great.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:26<br /> :Well, I'll see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a que no J No. Que je evil now.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:38<br /> :TV is god.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:40<br /> :dis genex.com Only one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:41<br /> :That's because of his addiction. A show addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ''music: Sesame Street ABCs''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:15<br /> :Amy? How you doing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:17<br /> :I’m doing just fine. Am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:24<br /> :Uh-oh. It's the alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from Three Ring Radio and Doug from dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:35<br /> :I'm...not here<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :and the great artist from Might is Right too. That's Doug (Doug: Thank you.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:42<br /> :Well, not really from Might is Right, he really attached himself to something that was already moving, and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned with such a great book. I still can't figure it out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:52<br /> :Soon to be a great artist for more than just (Shane: Soon to be, exactly.) known just for Might is Right. And Shane got what? How many websites? (Shane: I don't know.) Evilnow. Club Hate. Mike Hunt is on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what else Amy if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:23<br /> :I don't want to overlook any you know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there aren't they? (Shane: Sometimes.) Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:31<br /> :And then I do TV is God and &quot;The Whore of Horror&quot; or, &quot;Whore of Horror&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :We better get ''The'' Whore of Horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get it - you're fucking us. You're fucking us. (Doug: Fucking prick.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :Oh it's the Alphabet Show and today's letter's what? K?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :Brought to you by the letter K?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:53<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K. (Amy: Special K.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :K K K and you know we played some Johnny Rebel, but now we have an excuse to play Cajun Ku Klux Klan if we wanted to (Amy: Excellent, let's do it.) Do you have any K songs, then Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :I got Karma to Burn, but I think we could hear some- (Shane: Some more Johnny Rebel!)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Some more of the triple K. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that a veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :If it's a veterina- well, that's just PCP then, they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :Yeah, it's like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably similar.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, it's just gotta be PCP because that's what PCP is, is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:41<br /> :I’m pretty sure it's special K, isn't it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :I don't know. I've never- and like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:57<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:02<br /> :Bites the bumper leaves his teeth mark in it, shit like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:05<br /> :Yeah, gets shot five times and runs at a guy and rips his head off with his bare hands. Those are PCP guys.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:10<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember taking- I smoked PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this- in this court, you know, [''makes car noises'']<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:29<br /> :Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. Some easy listening tune and playing in slow motion, you're smiling-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:42<br /> :Something like fucking Ozzy Osbourne or something like that, you know, Crazy Train or something nutty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:49<br /> :In a car full of guys with their eyes like ''wide'' open.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :Just to, just to go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking for like three weeks. And I know there was a big riot everyone, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I'm- I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot break out. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me, we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PCP story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:26<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:30<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not, we couldn't run away. I think it was, we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCP.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :I get it. I guess the real scary part of this, was you and some guy were holding hands. (Shane: Yes. Yeah. Well that's-) It's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like all of a sudden we look at each other's hands go. Ah! It didn't scare us the riot didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story for K.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:02<br /> :Well, how is PCP similar or different to crystal meth?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :Oh, meth is an upper meth is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. (Doug: Forget it. I can't help you). You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommend an institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :I thought PCP was an upper. (Shane: No, no! No, no.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :It's more like a hallucinogen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone- someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have, uh, extra adrenaline. (Doug: Okay...) but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say an animal tranquilizer. (Doug: Okay.) Crystal meth is an upper, like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. (Amy: Mm-hmm.) Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. (Amy: It was nice! It was fun.) She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me, I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm (Doug: Attracted to your opposite.) Yeah, I'm up, and Amy is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's- she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, Oh, I'd do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:49<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive I'd murder somebody. (Amy: ''laughs'')<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what, you know, just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and- I can't kill, you know it's, it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:19<br /> :I don't know- I think about, I think about murder a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:21<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. (Amy: Which one?) I don't know you were saying how nice it was, before Doug interrupted, but it's not murder it's K, cunt, for Kill. (Doug: Killing.) Killin, with an -in not an -ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:44<br /> :How about driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving- me, Shane and Mike Diana, and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. (Shane: To be on TV.) We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like, every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were goners for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> ==Discussing how Doug would prefer to murder someone==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:31<br /> :And now Doug I did say you would kill on crystal meth. Killing, K, ABC show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about m- I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch and we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. (Doug: I think we were on the couch.) We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you- I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck- you, you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:05<br /> :I might. I might. I've gotten close to it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :I think so. Are you scared of yourself?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:08<br /> :Sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :You're afraid of yourself, Doug. (Doug: I dunno.) Admit it. You have a personality disorder.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:13<br /> :I remember one time I was just at a- I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for- we were walking around at night.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:21<br /> :Whole? (Doug: Yeah.) Here comes the whole Joe. Here comes the hole Joe. [''laughs'']<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:28<br /> :We're walking around this (Shaun: Make sure Joel hears that.) cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out there. (Shaun: Did you ever think a-) It's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:42<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's hole?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:44<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :Fuckin' good old Joel.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:50<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:53<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical are we? Are we talking like, no law? Are we talking like, just what I'd want to do or- (Amy: Preference.) what I could (Amy: Your preference.) get away-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :Right now what would you do now? Today.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :What do you think would be the most enjoyable?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:07<br /> :Killing somebody with my bare hands, just bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just 'til the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wad of skin and meat you know, and crushed bone. (Shane: [''laughing''] Ah, that's a good one.) You know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:19<br /> :Yeah, I think that's- bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. (Doug: Yeah, bludgeoning, or-)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :Yeah, but there's laws you're saying, she's saying most fun that's what you'd do.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I'd do. In, in- respect to the law I would use poison.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:35<br /> :Yeah, exactly, you have to do poison. And I would enjoy a poison kill anyway, I think about killing myself and I think poison would be- it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have, you know, if you know, they have to choke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:45<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:53<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. (Doug: That's true.) I don't want- Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> ==Ricin==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture, hard to detect. You know, they talk all about ricin now as a terrorist tool, but-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :It's like, in South Carolina. Their their their bush, their state bush is a leaf that's poison, and if you dried it out and made it into a tea it could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. (Doug: What tour?) (Amy: Of the town.) We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and (Doug: Oh, okay.) you know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:33<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:40<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Ricin comes from just from castor beans. It's not hard. It's like, you know, it's a, it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. (Shane: Really.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:52<br /> :Wow. Where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:54<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own ricin.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :And what do you do with ricin Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Ricin, you put it in some ways food or you make contact it's one of the, it's one of the most potent poisons.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:04<br /> :What do you do with it Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:05<br /> :I don't do anything with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :Tell us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:10<br /> :[''laughs''] People, people could do that. [Amy: Castor beans are-) And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is, it's, it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well, (Amy: It won't kill'em.) it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and it's hard to do. It's a prolonged death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenics and they die. Coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on than people like to acknowledge you know (Shane: oh yeah), I think it happens a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :If it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay. (Doug: Or you could make your-)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:45<br /> :Basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital, I think there's something going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:52<br /> :Oh yes, she told me about that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:53<br /> :So if I die, I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:57<br /> :Oh really? (Shane: Yes.) Oh well- watch your back. (Doug: Well, well you can make your own-)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :That's, uh, is character flaw with a K? No that's a C.<br /> <br /> ==Columbine==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:10<br /> :That's fine. But botulin spores you can put your own botulism in people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:20<br /> :Columbine.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:21<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't, I'm not very Columbine savvy. (Shane: Klebold.) Which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:30<br /> :You know, they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:33<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :They're just like one entity, does it really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:42<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:46<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have to, I think Amy's favorite is Klebold.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:51<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. (Doug: Why?) I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, he looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''16:59<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''16:59<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''17:02<br /> :Okay, I get it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:04<br /> :Yeah I can't figure out, I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:11<br /> :You're looking at their unit?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :I look at them ''as'' a unit.<br /> <br /> ==The KKK and killing Jewish people==<br /> 17:15 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Alright. So weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :No, we were talking about the Ku Klux Klan. (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) Amy was talking about kikes during the- you know, when we were off the air, for K.<br /> <br /> 17:30 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K-word.<br /> <br /> 17:32 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I think you said, &quot;Fucking kill the kikes&quot;.<br /> <br /> 17:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :What does &quot;kike&quot; mean to you, Amy?<br /> <br /> 17:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Go fly a kike. <br /> <br /> 17:40 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Kike-y tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes. &quot;Just do it.&quot;<br /> <br /> 17:50 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :[''laughing''] I don't have any good KKK stories. I- (Shane: No?) I gotta say I've never met anybody in the KKK.<br /> <br /> 17:55 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over. Andy.<br /> <br /> 18:07 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> 18:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me? I guess so, as long as he doesn't let me live through my miserable life, that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> 18:17 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :And his wife were over. They're both active members in the Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:21<br /> :Yeah, and they were cool. We watched- what do we watch with them? We watch any movies or did we just hang out? And watch Bum Fights? (Amy: Oh, that's right.) Yeah we watched Bum Fights (Doug: Oh, that's funny.) and they were disgusted or the wife looked disgusted by it but they were, you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he ''was'' listen I'm talking past tense ''was'' a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the Klan, seems that, you know (Doug: There's &quot;Christians&quot; in the Klan.) I parted ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:50<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the Klan do?<br /> <br /> ==moving to Europe==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:54<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? (Doug: Yeah, I guess.) What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups - that's from the ACLU to PETA to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. Shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :I tried. I fucking tried.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:29<br /> :Why can't you get over? You could have got over there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:31<br /> :I was ''there'', I- you can't get a job over there now.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:35<br /> :Oh, I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry, sucker. I get over there and fucking, I'll be over there man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:42<br /> :I was- I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. (Doug: Yeah, I don't have any friends over there.) I tried to talk Amy into moving to Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:54<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> ==Opposition to religions in public==<br /> 19:57 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck outta here, I can't handle these kinds of politics Kerry, Bush, Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have, they don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we ''don't'' have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in Three Ring Radio, we had spoke about the, in France, going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away. This other jamoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie. I don't know who's telling me what, I don't really care if I moved to France I'm not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling, &quot;Kill Christians&quot;. I ain't gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanists or any Buddhists or anyone. I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that.<br /> <br /> 20:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Oh, I know recently in France, they were talking- they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No- no turbans, no goddamn little Jewish- (Shane Bugbee: Where was this at?) In France! No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps on their heads.<br /> <br /> 21:11 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, I like that as long as it’s ''no'' religious stuff. Fucking none- <br /> <br /> 21:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm with you. I'm all for it. I'm ''all'' for it.<br /> <br /> 21:16 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's like like smoking in public- it's like smoking in restaurants wearing religious garb all over. It's offensive to me. I don't want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense ass. Fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public, either.<br /> <br /> 21:33 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head, every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> 21:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Rip the crosses off their necks. Stick it in their nose, their eye. Eye revenge.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:46<br /> :Stick it in their fucking eye, right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:48<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids so they'd learn better. Maybe if we did that with everybody, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Yeah, exactly. (Amy: A better society.) Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :Like, ooh, like the cubicle! K for cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:07<br /> :Hey, isn't that C? (Amy: Well...) Today it's K?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:10<br /> :It was &quot;character flaw&quot; worked. Why not cubicle? (Shane:You're right.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:14<br /> :Got a point. (Shaun: Touché.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:17<br /> :I had this theory about cubicles because we had this office where we lived before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep, I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is, the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of. A cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:45<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking, I'd be saying- &quot;You're fucking typing fucking loud!&quot; You know? &quot;Jesus Christ. You're typing loud.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:57<br /> :No, I know how that goes. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I start getting pissy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> ==Visiting the KKK Museum==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:05<br /> :What do you say? &quot;Ma, turn down the fucking soaps&quot;? (Doug: &quot;Yeah.&quot;) (Amy: He throws a shoe at his parents.) Are you deaf? (Doug: All right.) All right, Klan. When are you going joining you know me and Amy went to the Klan Museum when we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married to. (Amy: On our honeymoon.) She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to. Beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:32<br /> :Montreal, or Toronto, wherever weed was legal or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:35<br /> :Yeah, right. So, so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the Rebel flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the Klan museum on our honeymoon. And the Klan guy like I called a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone number to call them said &quot;we're on my honeymoon&quot; and he goes &quot;well I'm closed but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids.&quot; Kids K, (Doug: alrighty) and he- KKK, Museum, and so he takes us down we go out there we meet them down there, opens the store and we're let in, it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs Klan-y is &quot;Honey, don't let him cheat you, get something for yourself&quot; so so Amy goes runs over gets a t-shirt, &quot;the night time is the white time&quot;. (Doug: ''laughs'') (Amy: I love that shirt!) Tell him what else, tell him how they showed us the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:27<br /> :John Howard, the guy who ran it his son, he's like what a sacred Cyclops or something? His son took us down-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:36<br /> :That's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:38<br /> :You gotta talk into the microphone though.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:41<br /> :From the movie The Klansmen you know what they say. What is that an ordained Cyclops or something? He says<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops (Doug: That's right). That was funny yesterday or the other day we're talking I, E, for I we're talking about Doug's missing eye I'm not a fucking Cyclops I have two eyes, just one's broken! Ah, that's fucking funny, dude.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:05<br /> :So anyways, Raiders of the Lost Ark.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:08<br /> :the back room was like Raiders of the Lost Ark when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, Amy, go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:14<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walking around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:38<br /> :With Bush in office. I mean, Bush ''is'' the Klan. Those fucking people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over Bush. I hate I God I hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. (Doug: He's a retard.) Speaking of the Klan. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was, it was fun to go on our, on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely Klan song by Johnny Rebel. I think we can actually dedicate this one Amy. What was Andy's wife's name? (Amy: Cindy.) This is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> [''music: Johnny Rebel - Kajun K K K'']<br /> ''editor's note: lyrics removed for flagrant racism, slurs and narrative description of a lynching''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :All right. Threeringradio.com - Evilnow.com - Whoreofhorror.com - Dysgenics.com<br /> And this is K in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for [''beeping'']<br /> <br /> '''Singer'''29:55<br /> :LMNOP QRS, T U V, W-<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Letter K */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Whoo ha ha AEC see Isaac is it oh so sad because I will see you soon as they decide so so the idea girls will all join together on the letter D ea, ea. T. Do you do at the end of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:37<br /> :the day di, di di Di Di, di you are gifted<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :Thank you. Jay Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay, you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:15<br /> :a good day<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Dog. Yes. Can't even hear you. Try it again. Okay. Oh, there we are. Very good. Amy. Hello. I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk in the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :We're reprised privacy. I wrote prettier. How do you say that? Reprising Yeah. We're reenacting our roles in the 911 broadcast right now. Refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time remember your rights here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :that, an order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show and bands that start with the letter A or B or C we really don't have a name but the alphabet show the alphabet show Doug says the ABCs of hate that you know how typical Phil? Phil how your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably worried so difficult. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :What was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it should be the ABCs without w is our world is a world without<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :W What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know they call the president? W<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :our world is dominated by W but it wasn't<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :speaking of a asphalts stripe CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking Hey, now see? See asshole. animosity, aggravation.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :And then sub phallic. Oh, hey, that's my favorite a word that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What does that word again? And then so phallic. Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :It's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the clap sets and little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :Happened to Princess?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies. Wow. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that is what happened to Princess kid. And a phallic Jelic<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Do you smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? A brain<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :couldn't tell you. But what does it what does that again and then so phallic. And I said a phallic? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :I got it. Well, we're onto another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :making up words. Doug's just fucking with true word medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, good stories. John. Dawg. You gotta get stories about NFL Vladik.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met, but if anybody's willing to sell me one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickle punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had was princes son.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they will know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. That starts with a yeah And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy and Amy, my favorite a word of off, Amy. Beautiful, Amy. You're sweet. Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running to the streets angry looking for a mad fix. zactly something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? No. So angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier good story. I think about something about Angel we said was we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, Well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything at all. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A S. and, you know, she thought she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She I don't know. Maybe if she higly I paid extra she may have that's why she was so filled out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, Well, maybe she get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town and these people, she was really disgusted by the it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ash. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just felt there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been Yeah. Or she had really long fingernails or something. She<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked at that trade said it was common that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty and a lot of the girls had figured that was they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty and sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta get anal story. Oh, okay. One time. I stuck a candle in the skies. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep? No, no, he<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was right away.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Okay, take your pants off if you wanted to get right all right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So so this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :Hold on. Well, I mean in chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. explaining it was I do like my ass work. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your boy you're eating nutty chocolate, I realized<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :was a born again Christian. I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the password. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :He I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :do you mean hot looking? No. I mean, it was frictions creating heat,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, Ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :it was cool. All that out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :The candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke up and inside of them. And I didn't tell them or anything. I just had to go eat poop it out later, but it probably had to go to the doctor for that. No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop dog think I gotta<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :ask. All right. Well, I've never had grass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess I guess you guys perhaps Perhaps you ever thought about it now?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Sweaty down below thinking about it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Now if it did I do it but it hasn't. So I haven't you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :there's the process. stayed up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :This right here. Male G spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :a gay man told me that before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about a gay man once told me and now I'm looking at you again. Exactly. Doug's given me the one brown eyes got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :it was a gay guy. Another<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :fucking beat your fucking Scullin like a goddamn white man. Where I live radio. I just told the whole email group to join in another gay man. That<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :was gay guy. DJ Oh, you know who used to date was Daniel Day Lewis. Anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :we'll save that for DS tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis get his ass worked. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :I was having a after hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, Hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true all you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Night Well, I hear a legend in urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. No, if you stop shooting loads sick pulls up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. Oh, really? Yeah, but friend of mine Monty claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves jerk you off. And tickle work your ass their finger. Oh, he claims I just don't think I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :i Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. That's why if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's my doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's man you can if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcraft nice t shirt. You got their fellow?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a John Ashcroft. Doug drew a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :really cool t shirt. He's an artist, a fine artist. I like to call him but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, non joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one I don't know. You stick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does that he does have one eye<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :but I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good Irish just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t shirt that we're going to be selling on three ring radio.com and evil now.com and dis genex.com and horror of horror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful a. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :the ego. So you're listening to it all day. Like,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? Michael Moore. All right, right. He's related to the guy in the process.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right Robert? grimston. Robert,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :right hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the PS Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it as craft as craft the parlor. That's the point I'm making. As craft. I just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :got to add I think is craft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen all of us. I don't know what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :We're Focht now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with like ask crowd isn't asked. Right. I don't have I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Do you pointed him he pointed all the losers as as Croft last elections Senator in Michigan Spence Abraham last fuckin election gets appointed head of the department of energy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :here it's playing right now I can't turn it down below me stop this. See that was as craft sorry go ahead I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine yes Croft was singing the world standstill and Ashcroft sings<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :as Croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing is the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned. Fucking hedge and De Niro<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :hanging with dog is like hanging with the goddamn teacher in my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So I could feel smarter than his friends. Okay. On<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, neighborhood Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ashcroft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit. 911.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. So what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Well, to hear it right now. Go ahead. We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs. Of Fate fill.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :Fill the alphabet show the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :alphabet show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while Amy's call it the alphabet show. Doug has the name the ABCs of filigree fuckery and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word. fuckery isn't it? Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :better go<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :motherfucker bitch fuckery is my word motherfucker. My word motherfucker and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :using dumb factory but fuckery to describe time foolery and you know grab ass what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tip when I was sucking your mama's tip before you are round by the use of fuckery motherfucker all right in all fuckery Yeah, that's my name of the show pure fuckery letter fuckery something okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you actuals as a play playing Doug Doug Hello. I don't know All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by shozy We're gonna have this shit taken care of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:01<br /> :to Golden Golden's.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:10<br /> :oh hi cheese never saw before Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:18<br /> :from rocky coast to Golden shores.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:21<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing pleadings<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:37<br /> :as the land beneath her sings.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:39<br /> :Only God love other kings. Let the mighty Eagles oh, oh.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:59<br /> :This country's far too young. She's still got to live<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:06<br /> :with God. No other kings. Let the mighty Eagles Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:20<br /> :no, she's cried a bit for what we've put her<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:23<br /> :through. She soared<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:27<br /> :above the lifted lamp. Guard sweet freedoms though. In the dues the dance the watch fires of a nation torn by Whoa.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:41<br /> :She's far too young to die. You can see it in her eyes. She's not yet begun to fly. It's time to let mighty Eagles the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:55<br /> :Eagles saw Oh Oh like she's never saw before Oh, from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:06<br /> :rocky coast to Golden shores<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:09<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing wanes<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:24<br /> :as the land beneath her says things only God<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:32<br /> :no other key things. Let them mighty soul Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :you've got to love the fucking John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:52<br /> :God loves them. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :Oh yeah. You see sung man at a press conference? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :you know the better a look at my list of A's is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. Not at all. Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pissy All right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of policy and he's very obsessed. They're not around with that is good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, get can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking Empire by now. Right? Right. I mean, he has too much fucking time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :I can't. That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 911 show last year on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first right? Yeah, you can't listen to we're history bitch. You're talking to Brian fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And Betsy Ross over here. We're history<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :Dolly Madison,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolly Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You're driving it something like that? I was. Yeah. What? Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have as you can see from my Rotunda bill, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any motherfucker going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it or is he's involved in the pipe trade glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like five $10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the rosin. And I mean, ami freaks out because I am a real fucking I've got a real bad addiction to weed when it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something as this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because I fucking knee these<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:59<br /> :things. cocaine, alcohol, mocking me these days.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel. Dude, I fucking need these things. I need these things. Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. And addiction. Well, you need like fun. Yeah. Well, sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You don't want it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship feed off, man. And it's more than<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :the ritual of it smoking Amy talked about the ritual of smoking is setting up the bong and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a doll blade. No. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :you're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for Wu.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that we only got five minutes left. How<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :long is your song? Two minutes and 44 seconds. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's Only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You that's the only time it's bad the addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for 24 hours show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without you know that it's it's fun when you have you know those things to come for you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. What do you mean when you look at me being addicted? Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call says come on over. All right. The booty call? Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :Here that ladies. That's Doug Ed. Pussy. I'm call on call. Dick. What's your website? Again? Dis Genex. Yeah, ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy cut. Oh. Oh, that was your brother. Sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. It is for me. It's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an attic until it's gone. When it's gone. You seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say I could use a fucking weed right now. Sure I can fucking use a joint was sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :Exactly that sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :y'all get on your knees.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''27:11<br /> :I need these things. You know what<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know everyone I've been surrounded with as an addict. So I've never been addicted<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :for a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for I pain. But when the pain went away and stopped smoking it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :it was a good medicine for you. Yeah, well addictions get bad because you really need so much I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke if I get an eighth. I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore and I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :oh god she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now she's gonna call these<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :we didn't cover abuse the other a word<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. Well, what's the name of the song public assist to play that for pee pee P we'll play it for p so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot wanted to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's it goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes you Dick It's hard when you're beaten on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink deck. My dork could talk about that for my hog. The problem with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> :abuse though is you got 20 seconds they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are by<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy Thank you. This Gen x.com horror of horror.com and evil now.com my consent feiyr.com and three ring radio.com Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week be. That was great. Yeah well I think it's gonna go great<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:02<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:24<br /> :you know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on mycuntsonfire or evilnow.com Mycuntsonfire.com, uh, clubhate.com, threeringradio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. Thewhoreofhorror.com. And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug MiSeq noise is I think, how do you say the last name? Messner. Missy. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say his acquaintance. Doug Messner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:53<br /> :That's me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:54<br /> :And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug [unintelligible] is I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''02:04<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:05<br /> Mes-- Mesi--. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:17<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:19<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner, it's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does dysgenics.com He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds with the reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:45<br /> :you know I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss 'the A show' go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :A is for addiction. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''03:05<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''03:06<br /> :Cuz,I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:08<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family you know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies. They're good though. That's a tested that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my...Well, I'm asking for it. But you know-- r<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :but they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :they're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :I don't know about that partner.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:00<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:01<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:08<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:10<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:10<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:14<br /> :All right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:15<br /> :--before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :Come on. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:40 <br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:53<br /> :Lavende r Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:58<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:00<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbeee '''05:02 <br /> :It's her favorite cookie. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:03<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Lacey Okay, here's the deal with the lacI Peterson lavender cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:24<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered--<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:26<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:28<br /> :--and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:36 <br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:37<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Anencephallic.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death. They would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:58<br /> :Oh. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbeee '''05:59 <br /> :-with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her--D-...hr killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent a--Connard! That's the kid's name--Ah 'C'. Yeah, Doug, you mix me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:23<br /> :How'd I do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:24<br /> You explained who Lacey Peterson was.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:25<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you, I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. We have a healthy lifestyle. So that kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:52<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:54<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:55<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though at least.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:01<br /> :Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000 Man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:13<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:16<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :long pork? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:22<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:22<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:24<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:34 <br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:35 <br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect and hate. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:43 <br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see Eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at. I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people no problem and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:06<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought 'Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism,' you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to...I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I...I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:42<br /> :Stalingrad. During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, There's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''08:54<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''08:54<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:00<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say 'oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.' And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'--Cabrini Green. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of Candyman, Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in 'C' the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''09:34 <br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:37<br /> :Oh, I'm getting spooked by C. Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects. And they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub. And they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:00<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:01<br /> And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the--<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :Now.<br /> <br /> '''Shan Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :--the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The-- <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:09<br /> The Historical Society?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:10<br /> :Historical Society. And you can...this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the real...keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not--. I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true. To the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :Waste not, want not <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:53<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:54<br /> :Chikatilo. Cannibal. See. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:56<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:57<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:01<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news and I was spray painting all over the town. Chikatilo, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:15<br /> :Communism. C. Chikatilo. C. Cannibalism. We are 'C motherfuckers'. CCCP.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:21<br /> :Pumping out all the C's.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:23<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner park before but that's D but they were cannibals.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Cannibals they...Cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane. And he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:10<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:20<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:21<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:22<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Cemetery. 'C.'<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:35<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:35<br /> My favorite 'C' is 'cunt' and I just love saying 'cunt'. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think Sex in the City and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six--Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a 'cunt-tree' in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever...Next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets. They had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:12<br /> :Oh that's right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''13:13<br /> :And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the C word was the way I said 'Oh the C's though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:35<br /> :You know, a book was put out called Cunt. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:41<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:46<br /> :All right, I mean, right. That's great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:49<br /> :When my dad was also--.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:50<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna-. Every time a 'C word is gonna come up, any word. You know, there was a book called 'demented eggs'. You know book--You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They don’t though, Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about...<br /> <br /> 14:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, they don’t!<br /> <br /> 14:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We’re talking coloreds at the letter c. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really black neighbor with a black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. 'Hey,' and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 yards to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''14:43<br /> :He was the white chap? C.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''14:44<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me 'Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. but us black--us niggas, As he said--niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy. And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and 'we don't eat pussy, motherfucker.' That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :when my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them 'crispy critters'. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:22<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her cornflakes--'C.'--and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about 'crispy critters'. 'C' again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore, of horror.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:51<br /> :I couldn't I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''15:56<br /> :You couldn't chow on that. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee ''''15:57<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it. Finally--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:01<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :No, I was I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''16:04<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''16:05<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''16:08<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time--Cockroaches. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement basement. It was like a half built basement. And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light--in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the whole wall was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the colored--cockroaches. All 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day. Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said colored the wrong way. Did I say 'nigger' and not 'nigga'? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:17<br /> :I burped. Excuse me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:18<br /> :Oh burped. B. That was last show Amy --but the wall moving---and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr-- and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:41<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''17:44<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:45<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:48<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:48<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:49<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them bolted.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:06<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:11<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:14<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat them too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:16<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for-. That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :You'd just snack. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:33<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:42<br /> :you'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:44<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:05<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:06<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:07<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:10<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. 'C', bitch. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:20<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:21<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:28<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. 'C'. Double 'C'. And the song is 'Come Down Here'. Another 'C'. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:36<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:36<br /> :I liked The Cocks better<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :RevCos great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''19:39<br /> :That starts with 'R'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:40<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:40<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:43<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :We're low on the 'R's, okay?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:52<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes and she took over. We did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, Record Player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes, Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:10<br /> :Come down here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:11<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow cunnilingus I got we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''20:20<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''20:23<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> '''[SONG PLAYS UNTIL 25:39] '''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:29<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for 'B'. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:24<br /> :All right. It's the Lacey Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's bound to have it. All right, 5/8th cup butter, a half cup sugar, one egg, a tablespoon of lavender flowers, one and a half cups all purpose flour. And sugar, powdered sugar. And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they gotta get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''27:41<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''27:43<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:45<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me--.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:47<br /> :It wasn't enough at least<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial, and you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. 'C' for condolence. This is the alphabet show the ABCs of filth, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evilnow.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :I'm Amy from whoreofhorror.com and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:26<br /> :And this is Doug from dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Doug Messner<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:32<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:46<br /> :We never even got to converts.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:48<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot Christians. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, Cunts, cocksuckers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:14<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story to.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:18<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''29:28<br /> :Oh I guess it is <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''29:29<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:32<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. I had a friend that gave me that today. Said hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs? Amy. I think in a past life was a Coke Whore. Because she's like, 'I'll take that motherfucker.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:50<br /> :I was never a coke whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:53<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for dickhead and dumb. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now we're just gonna start them out you know so we're gonna Amy a couple of seconds and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:13<br /> :Every day in my eyes all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 323<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved as children obey your parents<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:42<br /> :child is known by doings proverbs 2011 44. Season we'll talk about it so we don't lose<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:05<br /> :weight Psalm 3413<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Isaiah 4522 Block Mr. Boyd again done<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:42<br /> :thanks to the Lord for His good<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:49<br /> :alphabet not the Spirit First Thessalonians 519<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:01<br /> :First, okay, we're gonna stop that sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy. Hello, and Doug. Right? We're working on. It seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter this week or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows and play them. But this show is D. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows a b and c he missed Angel. Some good angel stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby story, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. who started last time. C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies A's and I think dog has to start. Oh, you're right. I forgot we have a dog and the D. No big headed dog is his technical nickname Ron. So<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it's so it's my letter. Yeah. God damn right. Well, I got GE Right. Right, right. Damn it. Damn right. So I got another highfalutin word like a head for a such a dick. But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :and believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I I have this in my head. Anyway. We don't What the fuck do you think we are? Why didn't consult a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You don't want later. We're going to have for AI. We're going to insert a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Anyways, defenestration is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt what is definitive what the faulted fenestration is when you jump out of a window, why can't you just say jump out of the window or crazy motherfucker? Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say, if you say one word he died of defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :Where did you find out about this ever say how people died in obituaries?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:34<br /> :But if you were gonna write an obituary,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :no, your eulogy? No, if you were gonna buy it, right obituary, where did you find out about this word though? really dug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. You know, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :know, Doug reads Dix, the dictionary Wally's.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:48<br /> :I know Dick But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:52<br /> :anyways, he steals a skull out of a crypt in France, and he crashes it to get out it was one of those. This is a story about your friend you Yeah, the drunken murderer jumped out of a window. Yeah, but and his defenestration? Yeah. But he had this skull. And then this is in France, he went to France, and he figured out like this skull, but it's crypt tour, so he has to crash it a fucking skull. You know? As you know, they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:22<br /> :And this is a drunk. Yeah, that's the drunk we drew on his D for dry. We drew on his face with markers when he passed out and he's a total dick. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the Spanish defender.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Anyways, he got roaring drunk that night in France. What a dick. And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two story window.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :And where's he from? Detroit. Wow, he's got the four DS going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with Dick drunk the Federation Detroit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:02<br /> :Alright, and right. I tuned from Detroit. So it stands to reason. Yeah. Doug from Detroit. Yeah, it's everybody's fall as they say it is. Detroit. Oh, fuck yeah. I was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. Full Swing. Oh, no, they burn they burn that city down every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons one, but you were just telling me I didn't even hear the news. Nine people got shot.<br /> <br /> ’’’Shane Bugbee  '''06:34<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:40<br /> :Yeah, it was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:43<br /> :Eight years ago, huh? It was a you know what I mean? He was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit. That was shit that was on fire. And it wasn't no devils night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something is fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :Or she was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be nothing left to burn in this fog? And it's not just devils night. Oh, no. Is it like arson capital? It's where it's at. I mean, but sometimes I've heard different stories I've heard sometimes it's people collecting. I don't know, like the landlord protect, you know, collecting property value somehow by burning this place down, or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shed on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:38<br /> :Hey, I saw the m&amp;m Eight Mile movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:44<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:51<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the colored<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> :place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Bucket is your carpet vomit and start again.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :What's your D word? Ami or D you got a neat thing to throw out there D<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :def drugs Doom and Dennis doll?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:09<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over drugs with addiction. So why don't you do death? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website horror of horror.com There's some really fucked ups that Amy's tales of woe on there are some really fucked up stories and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, or the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shifts that she's in the real Amy lives in the real man and now is Charlie's I say in the real All right, motherfucker, don't correct me. corrections on see it's the real, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay. Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped down to the brains popped out of the top.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:28<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex boyfriend? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how bigger friends are what they do. They better kill me. I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:49<br /> :right you know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book dead people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :used to know great store. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea because Oh, I know it's gonna get stolen now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:02<br /> :I think people know enough dead people to fill a book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :The lie. It's some current like Jim go to listen to his still dead people I used to know, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that see for Kant.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:15<br /> :Oh, I gotta get one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :story I'm sorry to interrupt dead people. I used to know that's a book Amy's going to work on. And that's a great working on it. Yeah, right. She's worked. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top my head?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple 100 I probably know quite a few.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :A couple 100 is exaggeration. Okay. 100. I mean, Amy does know how many how many of your girlfriend's have ended up in the lake over here? A couple, two or three right couple? Yeah. And hopefully shit. No shipment will read a paper story. There'll be some of the news. There was a girl that have been late game because I bet that's one of my friends. And sure shit. It is. This is the killing fields out here. That's Cal city, the Calumet region. So talk to me. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Well, we recently Shane had a friend over from serial killer Central. And we were taught case central case central.com Joe, and we were talking about serial killers in this area. And there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid. I knew this family, the Knicks edge family. In fact, I dated the youngest nixes in junior high, but the oldest one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew peewee who was like this hat guy who never went to school ever in his entire life. I think he dropped out in second grade. And he owed Eddie Nick's edge and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Nick's edge his friend and his friends dad, kill, PeeWee and the guy he's with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, hey, how you doing? They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend who is this now the dead front is peewee peewee graves. fitting name, huh?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest graves. This is real names. Everybody. I always knew him as peewee and when they got caught, of course, you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk. Of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight eight girls and dumped him in Powder Horn Lake so he turned out to be a serial killer for hot up.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:59<br /> :Death. So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed not<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :I need two of them. I knew Eddie Nick's edge one of the killers. And I knew peewee the Kili as it were.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:11<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:17<br /> :That's funny deal. You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for that one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:25<br /> :I know you put a dirty sanchez on both of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths I saw I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was you know, Oh, really. As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I poke at the eye. You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face I'd like poke the cheek. And I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it crapped it all cracked apart. And I ran I run up the stairs<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :on run Krakow like the makeup coming right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like oh my god, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and I'll talk more about the funeral home and if in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the makeup. It was so much makeup caked on there. That That cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My ankles like what happened Who taught you know did that? And you know, I said I ran into him with a flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and When it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover the reader and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever they call my parents say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's I can't top Amy's death stories<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :with you. There's death D. Dana Plato.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:19<br /> :Yeah, Dana, why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:24<br /> :why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:26<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that book and CD I did. And I left it behind. That's why I did that book. And CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking 10s of 1000s of dollars from extra and the National Enquirer and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job. So when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question. It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to be friend, someone. And then. And then I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had. She started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her and she really wanted to live that life. And she's full of that and had potential to do something cool. And do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life. So I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? No, I want to know about that. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never I didn't really know her I didn't you know, I don't know what she I've never seen anything she was in or<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:21<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, I'm a little older than you I grew up watching Dana played on TV and she was about probably a little older than older than me. But she was different strokes, different strokes. And I'd seen that it was like a pre pre pubescent type of AD D different strokes, right? It was a pre pubescent type of love affair TV love affair. I think I whacked off to her one of the first whack apps I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring it up to Chicago to get her top off on the internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book a Coffee Table Book of Memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :well. There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato. No, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in her butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger? Your own ass and then smeared across her upper lip? Or doesn't matter?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:45<br /> :Are you asking me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:46<br /> :I'm asking you I thought I remembered he Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that. I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a prostate rub once in a while has nothing to do with human oleation degradation, degradation or you know gross.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Can you imagine the mixed drink dirty Santa?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:09<br /> :I would imagine a dirty sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:15<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:22<br /> :On a or some further back and yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. Yeah, you know serve and protect man you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rub it on your nose.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:39<br /> :Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :What song we play an AMI. You gave me a song here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :What is it? Dye wars.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any venom in the mix? All right, well, DJ I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say dye wars all you know and just<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:00<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another D song for E because I got nothing for E Eazy E. Oh there we<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :go easy motherfucking e e that's what I got when I look flip on page e it says ed the creep and E easy motherfucking E and of course my favorite subject Eagle die wars a good song I think right Alright, enjoy the song kiddo.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:31<br /> :This is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:49<br /> :Matt<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:43<br /> :You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:45<br /> :song ended pretty abruptly. Let's go were that was Chris Connolly was or no. They sound the fucking same to me gay and Doug loves them and that the letter is D and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter. You<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:09<br /> :know what I wanted to ask you to? I don't know if you'd be covered the fucking door you had a story somebody's trying to bust down your door<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:20<br /> :we'll use that for another one break in a robbery or something like that break. I was gonna say dad, but I can't I don't know the door. I'll go door fucking door. Amy. You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door. Remember? You guys Doug. What did that talk about? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home and the fucking asshole can't dirtiest pot dirty D a dickhead politicians. They don't do anything here anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. i Come on, talk to Amy about it. And she says Oh yeah, the guy was creepy. You know he's over here over there. I shut the door lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuck and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the goggle the fuck do you need? And he goes oh, you know like he was I was looking for some kids. He walks away while I call the fucking cops Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond dickhead cop cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like Rodney fucking King. It was it was great to see because the Asheville tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass and the guy fought back a lot. So there's the door story. How do you like that door? They're in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:05<br /> :good for the winter. Oh, yeah. Well,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:08<br /> :I have a hole in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat her I wonder why I got a walk in case in pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom. And then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. So you get this breeze from the doors. Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D boring. I wanted to say dad, or my brother Derek or the one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up my real like my father was my father but my dad was Steve Dahl. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a doll.com D H L you'll see. He's the guy who did oh, Disco Demolition. He's the guy who did that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager. 10 years or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco record. Disco sucks disco suck. So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco. And he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there everyone's smoking weed and he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man known as a DJ but he's nationally known and rare. Wango Tango is playing right and Ted Nugent big speakers. And they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil now.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy horn horror of horror.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:33<br /> :Doug just genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked we'll be playing some Eazy E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:40<br /> :no more industrial music till P<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life Amy. Horror horror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==EAZY-E - Real Muthaphuckkin G's==<br /> 17:36<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''[singer]  '''00:00<br /> A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z<br /> Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:21<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah maybe Cs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth. Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug interjects: E) Oh, I guess (Amy: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter E. And now we're on F. And this is a show what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with fat. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about, was good conversation. Amy, F, What do you have for F, I have I have my man Farrakhan. Fat of course, that's, that's my middle name. Fucked up - I like to get, and failure. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising. I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:27<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:29<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:38<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:46<br /> Would that be a Feud?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like &quot;leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:58<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit and there's no reason - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:08<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug: All right), isn't that it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:35<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, you would cum inside the ass and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :That well. I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turnon to people.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing Clerks where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, what's a snowball? It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, oh, dude you've done that? You know, it's it was in Clerks. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:37<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:45<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night Bully, and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says Son, I have an electronics store for you and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:13<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:15<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:17<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:24<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:28<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right, that would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:45<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whoreofhorror.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:04<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whoreofhorror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here and I'm Shane, evilnow.com Among other things, Michael, mikehuntsonfire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:54<br /> :Not much good. (Shane: Not much good?)<br /> I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat food force fiends fuck factories fist fire and fill.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced either/or.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:16<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:21<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:58<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policeman had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her and I mean it's a closet you know, you would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:35<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Yaknow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire/fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie Backdraft once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:46<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:51<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like God, what the fuck is this? You know, and Amy's like, Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends. And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke crazy. Crazy man crazy. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:29<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:34<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist, they think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says well, he's probably a fireman. You know...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:03<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old old news.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:16<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:22<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about food and fat these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have, not an addiction but as a definitely comfort. I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and good food I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :We actually have two. Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:38<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:42<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing..?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:02<br /> :Right...mic Ben?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:04<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:09<br /> :So if it was Mike, Pat and Faith No More who'd been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :Carl McCoy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:06<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :number eight, For Her Light. F.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:12<br /> :Oh look at you. For Her Light.<br /> <br /> ''[Fields of the Nephilim - For Her Light plays]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:15<br /> :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. <br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:25<br /> :A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. Happy, happy all are we. Now we learn ABCs. Now we learn our ABCs...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :You dumb fucking cunt. Hey, Doug.<br /> <br /> 01:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Yeah?<br /> <br /> 01:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> We're ''on'' now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. <br /> <br /> 01:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, you could sip your soda pop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:24<br /> Why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones... And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only- I always say is- what we call this yester- &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot; or &quot;Filth&quot; and &quot;The Alphabet Show&quot;? And it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour, we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind. And we say the letter &quot;G&quot;, we start talking about and trying to tell stories and ''trying'' to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to. So we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. ''Ayy-mee''.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Late to the studio. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> G to G for- I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:23<br /> For Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 02:25<br /> The shittiest shithole.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. *laughs* Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good party.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit ''thinks'' they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills, closed down steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talking, Amy. Tell us about Gary. Gary's your &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my &quot;G&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for G? Last night- Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to- find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the Gs or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G-spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Go, gas, gag, gaggle. I don't know. Gardening...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the G-spot. So.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :Have I found it? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee''' 03:38<br /> Of course. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> Really? &quot;Of course.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :We wouldn't still be married if you didn't. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :I don't know if I found it or not.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You should be told. You should be told these things. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''  03:50<br /> You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :We've talked about it in detail. I thought.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:54<br /> We did? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed, Amy. Without me. Uh-huh. And what is that with green? G. You smoke the green? Come on, Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh, Gregory Reed. We pray- we- Do we have his phone number?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self-appointed expert in occult crime. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 04:34<br /> Fuckface.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal, murdering thousands each year. (Second one there.) And we call him the other day and we're calling him on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad- (Hey, you might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day.) Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the supposed Satanists, this &quot;satanic cartel&quot;, as he called it, and we callrf his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :You're doing the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. *call goes to answering machine* Noooo. <br /> <br /> '''Greg Reed (Answering machine)'''05:34<br /> Hi, you've reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with ORCC. Please leave me a brief message with your name and number, and I'll get back to you. Thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> See, he calls himself a doctor. He's not a doctor. We found out he's a ''painter''.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :This is message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stockey. Location, my number is 219-931-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello? Alright, keep talking please, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregory Reed and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow-up response was to her follow-up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly is what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reed. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to- What's wrong, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's your note pad. It sounds good flying at your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> : Yeah, it sounds good. Gregory Reed then. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying, &quot;I can tell by your tone where this is going.&quot; And I had no tone, really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole- When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he- he lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or ten books that- that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> Yet he's a doctor. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> Yeah, he starts stuttering, he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :Well, he named off ''two'' after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bunk and another one was just a common occult bookshop staple called &quot;Black Magic&quot; by Cavendish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic &quot;cartel&quot;. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :Well, Gregory Reed is barely a G, so let's get on with the G for &quot;garbage&quot;. Anything else? Come on? It's boring.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Garbage.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> GG Allin. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> GG Allin, now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggests &quot;door&quot; for D and &quot;Gregory Reed&quot; for G. Gregory Reed being so fucking boring I'm falling asleep here... GG Allin, now that's cool. Where's my G- did we ever find my GG Allin CD?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :No, we never did find it. We found the case, but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that. Or bean dip and pretended it's shit. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, I'll go get the beans. <br /> <br /> ==GG Allin and sexual assault attempt==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, well, GG Allin was great. I did the- GG Allin, I got a GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Which one?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> About when you used to write to him and talk to him. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :Yeah, so I used to write to GG Allin and longtime ago I used to do a zine. And GG Allin- we were corresponding before he went to prison. And after he went to prison- you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call, and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the GG Allin Manifesto, I think it's called. The GG Allin Mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine ''Naked Aggression''. Originally, the- his mission statement. And the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about is- &quot;People. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me. They want to hang out with and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking burned, baby burned.&quot; And I always remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show. They had- he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, &quot;Hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out.&quot; And I said, &quot;Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man.&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 10:09<br /> That's goddamn right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 10:11<br /> Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark ''Fagula'' Hayner. And &quot;Fagula&quot; was his real name, too. And he had toured with GG Allin and did a video did some video, GG Allin. And he talked about the time his- it was funny, hetell me, &quot;why I hung out with GG Allin. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me.&quot; And I go, &quot;Well, tell me about it.&quot; He's like, &quot;Dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me, really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off,&quot; and he had his pants off, GG Allin was naked with a hard-on, fuckin' trying to rape Mark Haner. And it was really funny, like, &quot;What happened, Mark?&quot; And he looked- he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes? You know, they don't look you in the eye. Marks like, &quot;Well, I got out of there, of course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room.&quot; To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hole or something. Like, like, I think there was more than- I think his pants may have came down... And I didn't say he actually raped him. Because he did follow through with the rest of the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :What can you do though? I mean, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think- GG wasn't actually a big guy, was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any match for him, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :You don't have to be though. It's those crazy fucking skinny fucks like you got to worry about because they got nothing- They just go crazy. It's called &quot;retard strength.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rape me. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Wouldn't you? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retard strength. I think GG Allin and had retard strength from the get-go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :...I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. &quot;I want this. But he isn't- hasn't showered for days.&quot; That's torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :It's all fun and games till somebody starts throwing shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :Or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :Right. So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Yeah, right. I remember him touring and thinking, &quot;Huh, that might not be the show to attend.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Geeg. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :GG Allin. Or George- or George Michael.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Didn't the Secret Service visit you because of GG Allin?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story. That's why I asked which one. I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay, so I got the- I am, I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a Secret Service, and it was after GG Allin and wrote the &quot;Mission Statement&quot; for ''Naked Aggression''. He had also come up with a single- I think on the other one, but he has a single called &quot;Kill the President&quot;. And it is it was like, &quot;Kill the president fuck the pigs&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :Hey! that's a it's quite a concept. (Shane Bugbee: Right?) Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the Secret Service comes there to question me. And it was wild why- it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black. They had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, a kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped, and they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. I pop his trunk open, and this is before home computers now. I'm talking- this is before the big home-computer explosion. This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now. I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this. Rhere was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :Like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family [burden?] that they had the shit right there. And I was like, you know, it was- it was- it was there they had the tools, they had the tools to take you down right there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :Imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta magnetic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange, and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :That's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like national ID cards like they're used for now. Used- but they're not you know, used to identify- It was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you to to law enforcement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right? Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving, you get pulled over, you don't have any form of ID over a certain age, I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you, check- I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income [unintelligible] that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening? &quot;My Greek Wedding&quot;? I loved it. &quot;My Fat Greek Wedding&quot;? I'm fat, man. I love Greek openings- Are you talking about ass play? &quot;Greek&quot; as in ass play? I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was all those motherfuckers digging in each other's asses, [unintelligible] fucking 'em like fuckin' mad. I think-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :Well, that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends. (Shane Bugbee: What was that?) The definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :&quot;Wide.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :&quot;Gopher holin'.&quot; Ever hear it? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gopher hole&quot;?) Yeah, gopher holin'. And it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know you're gopher holin'. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole, you're gopher holin' on<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :I was just gonna say, is that one of your [https://web.archive.org/web/20210423054732/https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Doug%20Mesner accomplishments in the Urban Dictionary].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :I didn't- In fact, I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life. Putting in &quot;gopher hole&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Someday in a thousand years, all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster's soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :Instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be &quot;Doug&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :&quot;Gastronomic&quot;? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gastronomic&quot;? Speak up.) I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :Hmmm. Baking soda helps. Have you ever used baking soda and warm water?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :&quot;Worm water&quot;? What's that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> ''Warm'' water.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :You mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like a shot. (Crosstalk, Shane Bugbee and Amy Bugbee repeating &quot;warm&quot; and &quot;worm&quot;)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :It's that Gary, Indiana, accent. (Cross talk about smoking something from bag.)<br /> <br /> ==James Earl Ray's Brother==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :But baking soda and warm water will help my gas, like, better than everything, and you know who will agree with me on this? We hit it off famously after we said we [unintelligible] both you guys talking to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray James Earl Ray]'s brother on the phone.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :Nobody noticed you had gas yesterday. Yeah, I didn't know that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James Earl Ray's brother had- had we- we got along famously after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas problems.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :Yeah, that was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man. He was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James Earl Ray's funeral. You know, if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to- like to have done. And I regret not getting it do that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died, I called his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy ''accused'' of shooting Martin Luther King because I really didn't like Martin Luther King. I think he was [asking for it].<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother, and they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :We've been going on for hours about me. I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :And you brought up James Early Ray. I know that's not-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :You know as I look at you, I think &quot;gay&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Really?) Gay. Yes. I don't know why.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :No, James Earl Ray. Do you remember the stories-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :Amy brought up gay when she was looking at you the other night. She said, &quot;I just think gay.&quot; And now that's all I can think when I'm looking at Doug. Why do you why do you think &quot;gay&quot; when looking at Doug's eye?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :Hmm, I don't know. It must be [unintelligible] thing. Yeah. And the butterface discussions.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, it's the butterface discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :Yeah, and it says, &quot;James Earl Ray&quot; on it? You know it was some guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :You know it was. You know, they said it was a mistake (Shane Bugbee: Some fuckin' Klansman, fuckin' fucking with him.) No, no somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something. (Amy Bugbee: Or they smoked too much weed.) (Shane Bugbee: Amy, Amy...) Smoked the good one. The nugget-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :Thanks for bringing the fucking show [down]. (Amy Bugbee: Ohh nooo.) Now it's the Cheech and Chong Show. (Doug Misicko: The green.) So you're more fuckable- and I don't mean in the physical way. I could fuck with you more when you're stoned and I'm not. (Amy Bugbee: Are you playing GG Allin now or what?) Yeah, you want to play a song? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, we're not playing-) Which one? Well, we're playing &quot;Unrest&quot;, but we have a choice from here's some GG Allin this is off the CD ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks,_Faggots,_Drunks_%26_Junkies Freaks, Faggots, Drunks and Junkies]'', &quot;My Revenge&quot; (Amy Bugbee: Masterpiece.) Yeah, we can play &quot;My Revenge&quot;. &quot;Dope Money&quot;. &quot;Be My Fuckin' Whore&quot;. &quot;Suck My Ass It Smells&quot;. &quot;Dog Shit&quot;. &quot;Wild Riding&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :You have to play &quot;Suck My Ass It Smell&quot; in honor of Mark Gainers near-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:01<br /> :Because you see, it's about a friend of mine. He's from Detroit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. He's crazy. Why? If you dare him to do something he'll do it provided the money's right. Jesus Christ. I remember the time was in this pet store. We met him at Dollar. He wouldn't met the heads off on them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he beat the head off. Ah, one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw. I said Jay, you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life. He said that so Kay I'm $3 richer to NAS all those important to him. Ale I remember one time at this party, and we dared him to pee in the Punchbowl. He did it. CJ can be a real ass Oh sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him. Because he could pee right on cue. Are you believing they ship? Cars if not you kiss my ass. I Guaran damn tee you is true<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:50<br /> :remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had VD for $10 He said hell if you double your money. I'll make love to her brother. He would have done it do except we didn't have $20 playing the six. Now why Jay did this year I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got zero. This has been<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :done, Doug. Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this alphabet show. I play Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:38<br /> :That man is not funny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:40<br /> :and it's really stupid. Oh really. But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put ABC at alphabet and then whatever. But this is the ABCs of the alphabet or the alphabet of ABCs or the ABCs of filth and or the alphabet show whatever we don't really have a name it's a concept and all our topic is all we do is start this half hour internet talk show with the a letter and this week or not this week but this show is the letter H don't look at my age his motherfucking jerky change your<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:16<br /> :cheater hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :god dude don't talk about my name on the weekends don't ever tell people that you call me I'm fucking Saturdays again. The you know the mics are on duck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:29<br /> :Okay, well there's right okay good well your stage now go away.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Carl. Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :it's one Doug shaved my chest<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:40<br /> :all right actually there's debate as to what a proper hot Carl is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:43<br /> :what is a hot car and why are you all into the film stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You do have a hot girl pin no I have holiday Sanchez<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :it's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words from my own fucking pins and I don't like it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :all right, go ahead. You talked about you talked about your hot Carl what is how do you give a hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :listen I am i Car know what is hot car<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :what hot Carl's a scat sex act it's got to do a shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:12<br /> :with you dude.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :peppers. See that's the debate the debate is some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a Cleveland steamer. Or as other people say a hot Carl is is got. Anyway you caught it. Somebody's taking the shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. And then this is a letter H for Hi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:41<br /> :I'm sorry, Doug. Well, okay, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :want to hit me? No, no getting mad interrupting you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Carl. Now it's when you other people say it's when you leave and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. No, I'm leaving tomorrow. You know what The train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment and no one would own up to it. They all blame the dog.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot car. Oh, poor form that you didn't Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:18<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill and it was a second storey apartment. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :that's that's hot. As Paris Hilton Nicole Richards say that's hot.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :I should have neighbor's doorstep before really I lived in like this apartment complex one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings that I was working late night shifts and this person playing music very loud all day and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6am You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:47<br /> :I don't understand where you beat it on the wall just on a different time. Or did you be on a wall because they played well because they're playing music.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :Music<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. Couple.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:01<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I showed on their doorstep and the loud music did stop I think they put two and two together. And what was funny is it was kind of hard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:12<br /> train horn rage. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit and anybody could have driven by and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :saw tissue or anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:25<br /> :I took a few with me and then I finished the job when I you know, I wasn't I guess I wasn't. I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the US tissue on the door. Also there would have been there would have been a distinct message to it. I should have written on him beforehand. Fuck you, you know and stuck them. Why did you deal with ah, we went from hot Karl.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :I know you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I dug Carl dog I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :I don't need to be analyzed<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:58<br /> :shit taught coming from a dog though who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:05<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of hot coffee hot. Ah, I know that's not the good age like hot Cairo but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to hear this. I'm going to try to get as high as Amy but I don't know if that can ever be achieved from the hookah from the hookah. Doug's disgusted from the hookah dug straight edge freaks dug straight and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubble<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:32<br /> :dad like everybody getting higher on me. It's cool.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:36<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. We missed that for gas where I would have<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was that a busted Daisy? We learned yesterday.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the shit and Angel stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not you know, I know that sounds like you know, Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your eyes. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time I think you have you know that? You know the frozen hotdogs story and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:07<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog every high school. This is ah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :we need some eight stories. Amy What are your H words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:17<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have highpass accuracy home in Hammond homes and home.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :I love it. Well, what do you want to you want to you want to say Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:31<br /> :HH Holmes. That's Triple H.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:33<br /> :Zack was thicker him. Welcome.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :Say that guy is 100 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some kids. Or something to go further. Some goals out there. To 300 dead. Ah, ah, anything else? Your horror, horror of horror. Speak up. Let's hear a story about horrors or something from the horror. Well, we<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:59<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:00<br /> :So watched had had<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:02<br /> :the monkeys had the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:05<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. Yeah, never<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:09<br /> :seen the monkey's head dog. Just watch the tape. And this was the first time you've seen a dog. Give an honest review min.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:16<br /> :Ted I thought it was I Well, I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what year it was. But it seems well. Well, well before it's time. It seems like you know something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant garde. It kind of you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways seems like it's going somewhere if you walk away if you like you're gonna miss something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:43<br /> :sort of like the theme song that they have there. Just when you thought it over the beginning might begin or something like that, that should be saw. And so did you have any respect for the beetle or monkeys? Oh, bad note beetle. Oh my god. I'm a monkey's fan too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:58<br /> :Well, before I saw it, you Before you start, what<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :do you think of the Monkees?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :No, I always thought what I heard of them that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles some What do you think after you saw that? Yeah, they they obviously weren't, they obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot, at least the image that they were portraying before that a lot, you know, like I what I made of the in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned and know how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:40<br /> :For age, I do my duty dog do you do yours?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like sub stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :I like had in more than one way Oh, it was found about getting head is that and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head what? That's in No, we're talking about head and I'm comparing the two I used to really love head but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis. And I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feel and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel it would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think I wouldn't I will never know that but I really wish I could see my parents and I you know, but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of hate and filth in the alphabet show that we're doing here. Which is I'm Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:46<br /> :And I'm Doug. And I'm Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:49<br /> :and I run evil now.com Among other things, my content feiyr.com Three Ring radio.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:55<br /> :and I own the domain name dis genex.com Well, actually, oh, that explorer. Yeah, there's something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:02<br /> :can we well, we live in Hammond, Indiana on Holman on home and if you ever have ever seen the Christmas story that's home in Indiana, which is really Hammond Indiana, he just changed the street name and stuff. And he being Jean Shepherd. But Amy, any Hammond stories Hammond where we live we're broadcasting now is where A Christmas Story The movie is written about this is this is this is the area.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, summer story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good to that Phantom of the open her<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:40<br /> :heart was Matt Dillon. Middelen<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:43<br /> :you're cowboy. You don't know who Matt Dillon is? We are old. I think Amy like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking into Mama's womb or something. His ball sack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:56<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen drugstore cowboy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :Have you ever seen the outsiders? No,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:05<br /> :there was no there was like what Junior High girls like I thought was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :wrong. No, it's a good it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior. I grew like to say I'm a fucking hit. Yeah. Ah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:16<br /> :For hit you ever seen over the edge? That's a great movie. It's like his first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Yeah, over the edge is fucking snow or cold man. Really? He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:28<br /> :Sorry, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> I'm trying to think of a recent movie. He's been in<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :high school. Ah, I bet you we all have good high school story. Oh, fuck, but we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play High on Fire. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:42<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:51<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:55<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion, ‘cause that would make it go over there...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :For Zion, or from Zion?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :From Zion.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it, How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the only one that didn't get picked<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :as a good we'll just play the whole city and forget the fuck the show. will play. Is that one,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :one. Let's start with one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :Cool, high on fire. And let me let me let your kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing to a demo before this was not released. So you hear an unreleased high on fire. You You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug the story about high end fire. Let me hear okay, so high in fire they play this expo they're great great music musicians and Doug you've never heard high in fire right? Never. So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal this and so I have to explain to him how God like high on fire is so high on fire. They write this album called Jerusalem, this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song it's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great job. But it doesn't impress you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :I'd have to hear it I guess. I mean, but isn't that cool? That is cool. I can see an album like that being good. Well, you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:28<br /> :gonna hear some high on fire right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:29<br /> :Well, that's one of the that was sleep though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :Yeah, that was sleep. That was a bad sleep. That's a different band. But<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :Pike is like the leader of med pikes like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:39<br /> :a rock out he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit man he'll you know in the history annals of metal or rock and roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players and you're in do the faggy skinny puppy type stuff which Amy said the thing about skinny puppy is the bad thing about skinny puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:02<br /> :And I proved heterosexual and it's right at the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :maybe that's why you felt so strongly about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards and desert.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:58<br /> :Right<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:00<br /> :All right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :My son,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:18<br /> :same was what was that Amy? Matt pike from high on fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:28<br /> :So the turtle told him what his name was.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:31<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtles name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes and about a half an hour later, he said, your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:51<br /> :Myrtle of all things turtle ever said. Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:58<br /> :I don't know. It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:02<br /> :All right. I don't I don't doubt that it's name is murder. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:06<br /> :Absolutely done. He<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :was right. Then he was right. Heil. Yep, true. And in there. Hi. Oh, John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:17<br /> :Heil. Heil, Hitler.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:20<br /> :I couldn't think of another he just couldn't do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:24<br /> :It's such an obvious one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :You guys didn't have it? No. Are you? Are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? That's so obvious. Typical. Typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising. I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't an AMI? Not surprising? No, but what do you say to me?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:45<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:50<br /> :It's on my list. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:51<br /> :else is on your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:52<br /> :Hi. Like I was getting at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:04<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept What do you did with every, every time I leave class, he take the history book, which was the thickest book. And he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And it's so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damage as you can tell today. I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears. And so one time I took a belt and wrapped around books. Something like one of my father my uncle would say that said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :I want slit at pep assembly on fire and I did not get expelled for all those people. I used to get in trouble for most everything I did and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because it Caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. This thing went up. And I thought, oh shit, it's all over. But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. You never got caught the most amazing thing I never got caught for but speaking out whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a in my high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:27<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing Hitler use songs. It's fine. It's good March there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Maybe it can tell us. In high school. I used to have a swim class first hour. And this was when I was like, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :he's like saying that because I get high. And then I in high school. I always if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls. Yes, I'm stuck in the 80s all day. And you could just say I had a swimming class first period and Cory<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:58<br /> :major bloodshot, right? Yeah. But anyways, I didn't do that. But we had the stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office and then we're all supposed to not get in the pool. Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance which was US lining up and calling off number. Every fucking morning we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:19<br /> :That's like saying nigger for black guy. You can use a real time.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :Pleasant, Pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said it but it happened every single morning. They were so stupid. High school was all provoking people in getting in fights High School<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:57<br /> :was all about getting high.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high not going.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:04<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So then I went back because I got well, I got housed. Let's put it that way. I got a house for a month and a half in a county jail. And residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because that was absolutely the way different experience because it was a different school, right? No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so serious after that. We'll come back to school and they're just fucking kids and they're just fucking off talking about garbage. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids and I did not feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into you know, they make it hard to get a job you know you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know just because you don't want to go to school as a bad person in jail sounds<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:10<br /> :like a great resource for our kids.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:13<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson I walked the line but I don't think I'm absolutely will not that was a factor definitely experienced and I felt that came out of there Catherine sober person said you do that there's repercussions for what you do. And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers that play with other fucking people to problem every situation you're in six weeks in jail during that time I broke I had my pinky broken tried to punch someone I'm not much of a fiber and hit the concrete wall and my pinky because the guy was stealing my food and as a fat fuck not a fight No. Fucking Mike Tyson takes myself and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :eats your whole D<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:01<br /> :habit to fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:04<br /> :He broke him in jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:06<br /> :I broke my own Pinky. Yes. came out I was in the cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, Pinky with a gay father. It's honestly 26 seconds hermaphrodite the ABC show next week is what letter comes after h i i Da Doug Amy shamed by evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:35<br /> :dis genex.com for more.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:37<br /> :See you next week I this was h ABCs.<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the I show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over, we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> ':''Shane Bugbee  '''06:44<br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :and I have respect for ancient history and archaeology but I would say make the fucking holy land to crater a radioactive waste and then tell them go to town it's all yours all you so let's go ahead pocket Solomon's temple gives a shit it's just it's gone to fucking fire it's gone to fucking fire exactly fence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :off the whole country and it can only be for tourists you know no one can live there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:01<br /> :Yeah free zone un whatever Martial Law No, no, no it was asshole should be there. If people really aren't you have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with churches churches or terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document and it's stupid.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:27<br /> :They've night the church<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :we need to ignite some churches here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptist it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the you know, like a dome.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :That's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like what eight tracks and then do another CD exactly. I thought it would have been cool<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't more Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing today<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :we're doing the alphabet we're starting each show with a letter and just going. That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme we bring up a letter first word comes to mind and we discuss this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black negros and sit and talk about<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:34<br /> :rotund. Yeah. Would I use that for the sauce<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:38<br /> :inflated for?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:40<br /> :Oh god? worse, worse than fat inflated. But like the five big flat fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:49<br /> :Big? I think it's five big, big inflated negros that discuss things on a show. Oh, no, there's some morning show. Yeah, nevermind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Is it the view?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:01<br /> :I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:02<br /> :Are they all negros? I think so. Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :She's a negro. Exactly. She's some No Oh, she's a she's in that word it she's a network nigger, is what she is right. She was paid one time she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity now Feds not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. Exactly. You know, she talked to him and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered nice man he is and everything else and the guys making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into everybody knew that smoking was bad for you. And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that you set a bad precedent you should be stopped, had been lying. It would have been different story or killed. Right? What were they lying about on medical records? Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that. It's up to them. Right when they lie about it. That's a whole different story. Same<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid. Tune<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:46<br /> :in for the last five minutes or 10 minutes of the F show. And you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:01<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called gardone Riviera. And that's where Gabriel dnn Zeos house was most people don't know who Gabriel de Nunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet, Italian I, yeah, Italy. So we went over that I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else and the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, di Nunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfeld's colons dicks and bushes, but anyways, he lost an eye in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers the black shirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the original Blackshirts. Those were the original fascists, and Mussolini aligned themselves with him in them in when he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about him. Do you Nunzio didn't like Mussolini, you saying you say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot for AI. And so when Mussolini came to power, right? dnn zo was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home and being that he spent their money like it was going out of style. It was beautiful. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room. I was bad was like a car and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :love that I've always wanted. And it's funny. You say that I've always wanted to have themed rooms,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :and he had one where the the theme was discovered hand there's hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was he was great.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:26<br /> :Well, I'll see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a que no J No. Que je evil now.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:38<br /> :TV is god.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:40<br /> :dis genex.com Only one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:41<br /> :That's because of his addiction. A show addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> ''music: Sesame Street ABCs''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:15<br /> :Amy? How you doing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:17<br /> :I’m doing just fine. Am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:24<br /> :Uh-oh. It's the alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from Three Ring Radio and Doug from dysgenics.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:35<br /> :I'm...not here<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :and the great artist from Might is Right too. That's Doug (Doug: Thank you.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:42<br /> :Well, not really from Might is Right, he really attached himself to something that was already moving, and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned with such a great book. I still can't figure it out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:52<br /> :Soon to be a great artist for more than just (Shane: Soon to be, exactly.) known just for Might is Right. And Shane got what? How many websites? (Shane: I don't know.) Evilnow. Club Hate. Mike Hunt is on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what else Amy if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:23<br /> :I don't want to overlook any you know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there aren't they? (Shane: Sometimes.) Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:31<br /> :And then I do TV is God and &quot;The Whore of Horror&quot; or, &quot;Whore of Horror&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :We better get ''The'' Whore of Horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get it - you're fucking us. You're fucking us. (Doug: Fucking prick.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :Oh it's the Alphabet Show and today's letter's what? K?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :Brought to you by the letter K?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:53<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K. (Amy: Special K.)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :K K K and you know we played some Johnny Rebel, but now we have an excuse to play Cajun Ku Klux Klan if we wanted to (Amy: Excellent, let's do it.) Do you have any K songs, then Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :I got Karma to Burn, but I think we could hear some- (Shane: Some more Johnny Rebel!)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Some more of the triple K. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that a veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :If it's a veterina- well, that's just PCP then, they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :Yeah, it's like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably similar.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, it's just gotta be PCP because that's what PCP is, is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:41<br /> :I’m pretty sure it's special K, isn't it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :I don't know. I've never- and like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:57<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:02<br /> :Bites the bumper leaves his teeth mark in it, shit like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:05<br /> :Yeah, gets shot five times and runs at a guy and rips his head off with his bare hands. Those are PCP guys.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:10<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember taking- I smoked PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this- in this court, you know, [''makes car noises'']<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:29<br /> :Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. Some easy listening tune and playing in slow motion, you're smiling-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:42<br /> :Something like fucking Ozzy Osbourne or something like that, you know, Crazy Train or something nutty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:49<br /> :In a car full of guys with their eyes like ''wide'' open.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :Just to, just to go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking for like three weeks. And I know there was a big riot everyone, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I'm- I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot break out. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me, we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PCP story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:26<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:30<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not, we couldn't run away. I think it was, we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCP.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :I get it. I guess the real scary part of this, was you and some guy were holding hands. (Shane: Yes. Yeah. Well that's-) It's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like all of a sudden we look at each other's hands go. Ah! It didn't scare us the riot didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story for K.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:02<br /> :Well, how is PCP similar or different to crystal meth?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :Oh, meth is an upper meth is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. (Doug: Forget it. I can't help you). You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommend an institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :I thought PCP was an upper. (Shane: No, no! No, no.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :It's more like a hallucinogen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone- someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have, uh, extra adrenaline. (Doug: Okay...) but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say an animal tranquilizer. (Doug: Okay.) Crystal meth is an upper, like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. (Amy: Mm-hmm.) Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. (Amy: It was nice! It was fun.) She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me, I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm (Doug: Attracted to your opposite.) Yeah, I'm up, and Amy is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's- she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, Oh, I'd do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:49<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive I'd murder somebody. (Amy: ''laughs'')<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what, you know, just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and- I can't kill, you know it's, it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:19<br /> :I don't know- I think about, I think about murder a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:21<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. (Amy: Which one?) I don't know you were saying how nice it was, before Doug interrupted, but it's not murder it's K, cunt, for Kill. (Doug: Killing.) Killin, with an -in not an -ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:44<br /> :How about driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving- me, Shane and Mike Diana, and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. (Shane: To be on TV.) We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like, every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were goners for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> ==Discussing how Doug would prefer to murder someone==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:31<br /> :And now Doug I did say you would kill on crystal meth. Killing, K, ABC show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about m- I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch and we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. (Doug: I think we were on the couch.) We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you- I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck- you, you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:05<br /> :I might. I might. I've gotten close to it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :I think so. Are you scared of yourself?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:08<br /> :Sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :You're afraid of yourself, Doug. (Doug: I dunno.) Admit it. You have a personality disorder.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:13<br /> :I remember one time I was just at a- I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for- we were walking around at night.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:21<br /> :Whole? (Doug: Yeah.) Here comes the whole Joe. Here comes the hole Joe. [''laughs'']<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:28<br /> :We're walking around this (Shaun: Make sure Joel hears that.) cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out there. (Shaun: Did you ever think a-) It's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:42<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's hole?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:44<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :Fuckin' good old Joel.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:50<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:53<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical are we? Are we talking like, no law? Are we talking like, just what I'd want to do or- (Amy: Preference.) what I could (Amy: Your preference.) get away-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :Right now what would you do now? Today.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :What do you think would be the most enjoyable?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:07<br /> :Killing somebody with my bare hands, just bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just 'til the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wad of skin and meat you know, and crushed bone. (Shane: [''laughing''] Ah, that's a good one.) You know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:19<br /> :Yeah, I think that's- bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. (Doug: Yeah, bludgeoning, or-)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :Yeah, but there's laws you're saying, she's saying most fun that's what you'd do.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I'd do. In, in- respect to the law I would use poison.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:35<br /> :Yeah, exactly, you have to do poison. And I would enjoy a poison kill anyway, I think about killing myself and I think poison would be- it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have, you know, if you know, they have to choke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:45<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:53<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. (Doug: That's true.) I don't want- Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> ==Ricin==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture, hard to detect. You know, they talk all about ricin now as a terrorist tool, but-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :It's like, in South Carolina. Their their their bush, their state bush is a leaf that's poison, and if you dried it out and made it into a tea it could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. (Doug: What tour?) (Amy: Of the town.) We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and (Doug: Oh, okay.) you know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:33<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:40<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Ricin comes from just from castor beans. It's not hard. It's like, you know, it's a, it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. (Shane: Really.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:52<br /> :Wow. Where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:54<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own ricin.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :And what do you do with ricin Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Ricin, you put it in some ways food or you make contact it's one of the, it's one of the most potent poisons.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:04<br /> :What do you do with it Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:05<br /> :I don't do anything with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :Tell us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:10<br /> :[''laughs''] People, people could do that. [Amy: Castor beans are-) And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is, it's, it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well, (Amy: It won't kill'em.) it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and it's hard to do. It's a prolonged death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenics and they die. Coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on than people like to acknowledge you know (Shane: oh yeah), I think it happens a lot.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :If it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay. (Doug: Or you could make your-)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:45<br /> :Basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital, I think there's something going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:52<br /> :Oh yes, she told me about that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:53<br /> :So if I die, I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:57<br /> :Oh really? (Shane: Yes.) Oh well- watch your back. (Doug: Well, well you can make your own-)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :That's, uh, is character flaw with a K? No that's a C.<br /> <br /> ==Columbine==<br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:10<br /> :That's fine. But botulin spores you can put your own botulism in people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:20<br /> :Columbine.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:21<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't, I'm not very Columbine savvy. (Shane: Klebold.) Which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:30<br /> :You know, they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:33<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :They're just like one entity, does it really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:42<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:46<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have to, I think Amy's favorite is Klebold.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:51<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. (Doug: Why?) I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, he looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''16:59<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''16:59<br /> :Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''17:02<br /> :Okay, I get it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:04<br /> :Yeah I can't figure out, I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:11<br /> :You're looking at their unit?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :I look at them ''as'' a unit.<br /> <br /> ==The KKK and killing Jewish people==<br /> 17:15 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Alright. So weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :No, we were talking about the Ku Klux Klan. (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) Amy was talking about kikes during the- you know, when we were off the air, for K.<br /> <br /> 17:30 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K-word.<br /> <br /> 17:32 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I think you said, &quot;Fucking kill the kikes&quot;.<br /> <br /> 17:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :What does &quot;kike&quot; mean to you, Amy?<br /> <br /> 17:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Go fly a kike. <br /> <br /> 17:40 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Kike-y tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes. &quot;Just do it.&quot;<br /> <br /> 17:50 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :[''laughing''] I don't have any good KKK stories. I- (Shane: No?) I gotta say I've never met anybody in the KKK.<br /> <br /> 17:55 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over. Andy.<br /> <br /> 18:07 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> 18:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me? I guess so, as long as he doesn't let me live through my miserable life, that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> 18:17 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :And his wife were over. They're both active members in the Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:21<br /> :Yeah, and they were cool. We watched- what do we watch with them? We watch any movies or did we just hang out? And watch Bum Fights? (Amy: Oh, that's right.) Yeah we watched Bum Fights (Doug: Oh, that's funny.) and they were disgusted or the wife looked disgusted by it but they were, you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he ''was'' listen I'm talking past tense ''was'' a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the Klan, seems that, you know (Doug: There's &quot;Christians&quot; in the Klan.) I parted ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:50<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the Klan do?<br /> <br /> ==moving to Europe==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:54<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? (Doug: Yeah, I guess.) What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups - that's from the ACLU to PETA to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. Shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :I tried. I fucking tried.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:29<br /> :Why can't you get over? You could have got over there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:31<br /> :I was ''there'', I- you can't get a job over there now.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:35<br /> :Oh, I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry, sucker. I get over there and fucking, I'll be over there man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:42<br /> :I was- I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. (Doug: Yeah, I don't have any friends over there.) I tried to talk Amy into moving to Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:54<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> ==Opposition to religions in public==<br /> 19:57 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck outta here, I can't handle these kinds of politics Kerry, Bush, Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have, they don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we ''don't'' have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in Three Ring Radio, we had spoke about the, in France, going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away. This other jamoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie. I don't know who's telling me what, I don't really care if I moved to France I'm not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling, &quot;Kill Christians&quot;. I ain't gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanists or any Buddhists or anyone. I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that.<br /> <br /> 20:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Oh, I know recently in France, they were talking- they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No- no turbans, no goddamn little Jewish- (Shane Bugbee: Where was this at?) In France! No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps on their heads.<br /> <br /> 21:11 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, I like that as long as it’s ''no'' religious stuff. Fucking none- <br /> <br /> 21:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm with you. I'm all for it. I'm ''all'' for it.<br /> <br /> 21:16 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's like like smoking in public- it's like smoking in restaurants wearing religious garb all over. It's offensive to me. I don't want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense ass. Fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public, either.<br /> <br /> 21:33 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head, every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> 21:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Rip the crosses off their necks. Stick it in their nose, their eye. Eye revenge.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:46<br /> :Stick it in their fucking eye, right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:48<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids so they'd learn better. Maybe if we did that with everybody, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Yeah, exactly. (Amy: A better society.) Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :Like, ooh, like the cubicle! K for cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:07<br /> :Hey, isn't that C? (Amy: Well...) Today it's K?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:10<br /> :It was &quot;character flaw&quot; worked. Why not cubicle? (Shane:You're right.)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:14<br /> :Got a point. (Shaun: Touché.)<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:17<br /> :I had this theory about cubicles because we had this office where we lived before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep, I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is, the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of. A cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:45<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking, I'd be saying- &quot;You're fucking typing fucking loud!&quot; You know? &quot;Jesus Christ. You're typing loud.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:57<br /> :No, I know how that goes. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I start getting pissy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> ==Visiting the KKK Museum==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:05<br /> :What do you say? &quot;Ma, turn down the fucking soaps&quot;? (Doug: &quot;Yeah.&quot;) (Amy: He throws a shoe at his parents.) Are you deaf? (Doug: All right.) All right, Klan. When are you going joining you know me and Amy went to the Klan Museum when we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married to. (Amy: On our honeymoon.) She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to. Beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:32<br /> :Montreal, or Toronto, wherever weed was legal or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:35<br /> :Yeah, right. So, so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the Rebel flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the Klan museum on our honeymoon. And the Klan guy like I called a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone number to call them said &quot;we're on my honeymoon&quot; and he goes &quot;well I'm closed but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids.&quot; Kids K, (Doug: alrighty) and he- KKK, Museum, and so he takes us down we go out there we meet them down there, opens the store and we're let in, it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs Klan-y is &quot;Honey, don't let him cheat you, get something for yourself&quot; so so Amy goes runs over gets a t-shirt, &quot;the night time is the white time&quot;. (Doug: ''laughs'') (Amy: I love that shirt!) Tell him what else, tell him how they showed us the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:27<br /> :John Howard, the guy who ran it his son, he's like what a sacred Cyclops or something? His son took us down-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:36<br /> :That's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:38<br /> :You gotta talk into the microphone though.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:41<br /> :From the movie The Klansmen you know what they say. What is that an ordained Cyclops or something? He says<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops (Doug: That's right). That was funny yesterday or the other day we're talking I, E, for I we're talking about Doug's missing eye I'm not a fucking Cyclops I have two eyes, just one's broken! Ah, that's fucking funny, dude.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:05<br /> :So anyways, Raiders of the Lost Ark.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:08<br /> :the back room was like Raiders of the Lost Ark when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, Amy, go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:14<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walking around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:38<br /> :With Bush in office. I mean, Bush ''is'' the Klan. Those fucking people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over Bush. I hate I God I hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. (Doug: He's a retard.) Speaking of the Klan. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was, it was fun to go on our, on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely Klan song by Johnny Rebel. I think we can actually dedicate this one Amy. What was Andy's wife's name? (Amy: Cindy.) This is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> [''music: Johnny Rebel - Kajun K K K'']<br /> ''editor's note: lyrics removed for flagrant racism, slurs and narrative description of a lynching''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :All right. Threeringradio.com - Evilnow.com - Whoreofhorror.com - Dysgenics.com<br /> And this is K in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for [''beeping'']<br /> <br /> '''Singer'''29:55<br /> :LMNOP QRS, T U V, W-<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Letter I */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Whoo ha ha AEC see Isaac is it oh so sad because I will see you soon as they decide so so the idea girls will all join together on the letter D ea, ea. T. Do you do at the end of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:37<br /> :the day di, di di Di Di, di you are gifted<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :Thank you. Jay Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay, you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:15<br /> :a good day<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Dog. Yes. Can't even hear you. Try it again. Okay. Oh, there we are. Very good. Amy. Hello. I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk in the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :We're reprised privacy. I wrote prettier. How do you say that? Reprising Yeah. We're reenacting our roles in the 911 broadcast right now. Refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time remember your rights here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :that, an order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show and bands that start with the letter A or B or C we really don't have a name but the alphabet show the alphabet show Doug says the ABCs of hate that you know how typical Phil? Phil how your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably worried so difficult. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :What was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it should be the ABCs without w is our world is a world without<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :W What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know they call the president? W<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :our world is dominated by W but it wasn't<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :speaking of a asphalts stripe CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking Hey, now see? See asshole. animosity, aggravation.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :And then sub phallic. Oh, hey, that's my favorite a word that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What does that word again? And then so phallic. Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :It's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the clap sets and little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :Happened to Princess?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies. Wow. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that is what happened to Princess kid. And a phallic Jelic<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Do you smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? A brain<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :couldn't tell you. But what does it what does that again and then so phallic. And I said a phallic? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :I got it. Well, we're onto another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :making up words. Doug's just fucking with true word medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, good stories. John. Dawg. You gotta get stories about NFL Vladik.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met, but if anybody's willing to sell me one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickle punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had was princes son.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they will know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. That starts with a yeah And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy and Amy, my favorite a word of off, Amy. Beautiful, Amy. You're sweet. Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running to the streets angry looking for a mad fix. zactly something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? No. So angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier good story. I think about something about Angel we said was we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, Well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything at all. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A S. and, you know, she thought she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She I don't know. Maybe if she higly I paid extra she may have that's why she was so filled out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, Well, maybe she get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town and these people, she was really disgusted by the it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ash. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just felt there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been Yeah. Or she had really long fingernails or something. She<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked at that trade said it was common that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty and a lot of the girls had figured that was they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty and sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta get anal story. Oh, okay. One time. I stuck a candle in the skies. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep? No, no, he<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was right away.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Okay, take your pants off if you wanted to get right all right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So so this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :Hold on. Well, I mean in chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. explaining it was I do like my ass work. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your boy you're eating nutty chocolate, I realized<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :was a born again Christian. I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the password. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :He I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :do you mean hot looking? No. I mean, it was frictions creating heat,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, Ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :it was cool. All that out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :The candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke up and inside of them. And I didn't tell them or anything. I just had to go eat poop it out later, but it probably had to go to the doctor for that. No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop dog think I gotta<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :ask. All right. Well, I've never had grass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess I guess you guys perhaps Perhaps you ever thought about it now?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Sweaty down below thinking about it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Now if it did I do it but it hasn't. So I haven't you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :there's the process. stayed up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :This right here. Male G spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :a gay man told me that before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about a gay man once told me and now I'm looking at you again. Exactly. Doug's given me the one brown eyes got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :it was a gay guy. Another<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :fucking beat your fucking Scullin like a goddamn white man. Where I live radio. I just told the whole email group to join in another gay man. That<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :was gay guy. DJ Oh, you know who used to date was Daniel Day Lewis. Anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :we'll save that for DS tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis get his ass worked. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :I was having a after hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, Hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true all you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Night Well, I hear a legend in urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. No, if you stop shooting loads sick pulls up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. Oh, really? Yeah, but friend of mine Monty claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves jerk you off. And tickle work your ass their finger. Oh, he claims I just don't think I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :i Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. That's why if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's my doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's man you can if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcraft nice t shirt. You got their fellow?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a John Ashcroft. Doug drew a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :really cool t shirt. He's an artist, a fine artist. I like to call him but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, non joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one I don't know. You stick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does that he does have one eye<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :but I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good Irish just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t shirt that we're going to be selling on three ring radio.com and evil now.com and dis genex.com and horror of horror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful a. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :the ego. So you're listening to it all day. Like,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? Michael Moore. All right, right. He's related to the guy in the process.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right Robert? grimston. Robert,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :right hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the PS Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it as craft as craft the parlor. That's the point I'm making. As craft. I just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :got to add I think is craft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen all of us. I don't know what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :We're Focht now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with like ask crowd isn't asked. Right. I don't have I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Do you pointed him he pointed all the losers as as Croft last elections Senator in Michigan Spence Abraham last fuckin election gets appointed head of the department of energy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :here it's playing right now I can't turn it down below me stop this. See that was as craft sorry go ahead I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine yes Croft was singing the world standstill and Ashcroft sings<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :as Croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing is the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned. Fucking hedge and De Niro<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :hanging with dog is like hanging with the goddamn teacher in my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So I could feel smarter than his friends. Okay. On<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, neighborhood Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ashcroft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit. 911.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. So what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Well, to hear it right now. Go ahead. We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs. Of Fate fill.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :Fill the alphabet show the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :alphabet show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while Amy's call it the alphabet show. Doug has the name the ABCs of filigree fuckery and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word. fuckery isn't it? Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :better go<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :motherfucker bitch fuckery is my word motherfucker. My word motherfucker and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :using dumb factory but fuckery to describe time foolery and you know grab ass what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tip when I was sucking your mama's tip before you are round by the use of fuckery motherfucker all right in all fuckery Yeah, that's my name of the show pure fuckery letter fuckery something okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you actuals as a play playing Doug Doug Hello. I don't know All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by shozy We're gonna have this shit taken care of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:01<br /> :to Golden Golden's.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:10<br /> :oh hi cheese never saw before Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:18<br /> :from rocky coast to Golden shores.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:21<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing pleadings<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:37<br /> :as the land beneath her sings.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:39<br /> :Only God love other kings. Let the mighty Eagles oh, oh.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:59<br /> :This country's far too young. She's still got to live<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:06<br /> :with God. No other kings. Let the mighty Eagles Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:20<br /> :no, she's cried a bit for what we've put her<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:23<br /> :through. She soared<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:27<br /> :above the lifted lamp. Guard sweet freedoms though. In the dues the dance the watch fires of a nation torn by Whoa.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:41<br /> :She's far too young to die. You can see it in her eyes. She's not yet begun to fly. It's time to let mighty Eagles the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:55<br /> :Eagles saw Oh Oh like she's never saw before Oh, from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:06<br /> :rocky coast to Golden shores<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:09<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing wanes<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:24<br /> :as the land beneath her says things only God<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:32<br /> :no other key things. Let them mighty soul Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :you've got to love the fucking John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:52<br /> :God loves them. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :Oh yeah. You see sung man at a press conference? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :you know the better a look at my list of A's is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. Not at all. Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pissy All right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of policy and he's very obsessed. They're not around with that is good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, get can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking Empire by now. Right? Right. I mean, he has too much fucking time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :I can't. That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 911 show last year on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first right? Yeah, you can't listen to we're history bitch. You're talking to Brian fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And Betsy Ross over here. We're history<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :Dolly Madison,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolly Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You're driving it something like that? I was. Yeah. What? Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have as you can see from my Rotunda bill, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any motherfucker going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it or is he's involved in the pipe trade glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like five $10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the rosin. And I mean, ami freaks out because I am a real fucking I've got a real bad addiction to weed when it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something as this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because I fucking knee these<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:59<br /> :things. cocaine, alcohol, mocking me these days.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel. Dude, I fucking need these things. I need these things. Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. And addiction. Well, you need like fun. Yeah. Well, sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You don't want it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship feed off, man. And it's more than<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :the ritual of it smoking Amy talked about the ritual of smoking is setting up the bong and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a doll blade. No. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :you're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for Wu.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that we only got five minutes left. How<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :long is your song? Two minutes and 44 seconds. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's Only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You that's the only time it's bad the addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for 24 hours show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without you know that it's it's fun when you have you know those things to come for you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. What do you mean when you look at me being addicted? Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call says come on over. All right. The booty call? Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :Here that ladies. That's Doug Ed. Pussy. I'm call on call. Dick. What's your website? Again? Dis Genex. Yeah, ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy cut. Oh. Oh, that was your brother. Sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. It is for me. It's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an attic until it's gone. When it's gone. You seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say I could use a fucking weed right now. Sure I can fucking use a joint was sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :Exactly that sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :y'all get on your knees.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''27:11<br /> :I need these things. You know what<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know everyone I've been surrounded with as an addict. So I've never been addicted<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :for a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for I pain. But when the pain went away and stopped smoking it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :it was a good medicine for you. Yeah, well addictions get bad because you really need so much I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke if I get an eighth. I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore and I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :oh god she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now she's gonna call these<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :we didn't cover abuse the other a word<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. Well, what's the name of the song public assist to play that for pee pee P we'll play it for p so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot wanted to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's it goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes you Dick It's hard when you're beaten on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink deck. My dork could talk about that for my hog. The problem with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> :abuse though is you got 20 seconds they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are by<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy Thank you. This Gen x.com horror of horror.com and evil now.com my consent feiyr.com and three ring radio.com Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week be. That was great. Yeah well I think it's gonna go great<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:02<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:24<br /> :you know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on mycuntsonfire or evilnow.com Mycuntsonfire.com, uh, clubhate.com, threeringradio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. Thewhoreofhorror.com. And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug MiSeq noise is I think, how do you say the last name? Messner. Missy. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say his acquaintance. Doug Messner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:53<br /> :That's me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:54<br /> :And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug [unintelligible] is I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''02:04<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:05<br /> Mes-- Mesi--. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:17<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:19<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner, it's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does dysgenics.com He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds with the reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:45<br /> :you know I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss 'the A show' go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :A is for addiction. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''03:05<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''03:06<br /> :Cuz,I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:08<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family you know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies. They're good though. That's a tested that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my...Well, I'm asking for it. But you know-- r<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :but they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :they're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :I don't know about that partner.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:00<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:01<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:08<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:10<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:10<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:14<br /> :All right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:15<br /> :--before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :Come on. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:40 <br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:53<br /> :Lavende r Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:58<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:00<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbeee '''05:02 <br /> :It's her favorite cookie. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:03<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Lacey Okay, here's the deal with the lacI Peterson lavender cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:24<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered--<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:26<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:28<br /> :--and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:36 <br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:37<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Anencephallic.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death. They would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:58<br /> :Oh. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbeee '''05:59 <br /> :-with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her--D-...hr killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent a--Connard! That's the kid's name--Ah 'C'. Yeah, Doug, you mix me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:23<br /> :How'd I do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:24<br /> You explained who Lacey Peterson was.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:25<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you, I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. We have a healthy lifestyle. So that kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:52<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:54<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:55<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though at least.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:01<br /> :Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000 Man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:13<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:16<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :long pork? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:22<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:22<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:24<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:34 <br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:35 <br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect and hate. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:43 <br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see Eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at. I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people no problem and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:06<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought 'Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism,' you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to...I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I...I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:42<br /> :Stalingrad. During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, There's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''08:54<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''08:54<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:00<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say 'oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.' And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'--Cabrini Green. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of Candyman, Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in 'C' the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''09:34 <br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:37<br /> :Oh, I'm getting spooked by C. Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects. And they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub. And they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:00<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:01<br /> And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the--<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :Now.<br /> <br /> '''Shan Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :--the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The-- <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:09<br /> The Historical Society?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:10<br /> :Historical Society. And you can...this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the real...keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not--. I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true. To the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :Waste not, want not <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:53<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:54<br /> :Chikatilo. Cannibal. See. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:56<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:57<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:01<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news and I was spray painting all over the town. Chikatilo, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:15<br /> :Communism. C. Chikatilo. C. Cannibalism. We are 'C motherfuckers'. CCCP.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:21<br /> :Pumping out all the C's.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:23<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner park before but that's D but they were cannibals.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Cannibals they...Cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane. And he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:10<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:20<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:21<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:22<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Cemetery. 'C.'<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:35<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:35<br /> My favorite 'C' is 'cunt' and I just love saying 'cunt'. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think Sex in the City and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six--Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a 'cunt-tree' in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever...Next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets. They had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:12<br /> :Oh that's right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''13:13<br /> :And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the C word was the way I said 'Oh the C's though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:35<br /> :You know, a book was put out called Cunt. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:41<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:46<br /> :All right, I mean, right. That's great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:49<br /> :When my dad was also--.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:50<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna-. Every time a 'C word is gonna come up, any word. You know, there was a book called 'demented eggs'. You know book--You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They don’t though, Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about...<br /> <br /> 14:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, they don’t!<br /> <br /> 14:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We’re talking coloreds at the letter c. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really black neighbor with a black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. 'Hey,' and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 yards to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''14:43<br /> :He was the white chap? C.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''14:44<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me 'Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. but us black--us niggas, As he said--niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy. And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and 'we don't eat pussy, motherfucker.' That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :when my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them 'crispy critters'. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:22<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her cornflakes--'C.'--and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about 'crispy critters'. 'C' again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore, of horror.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:51<br /> :I couldn't I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''15:56<br /> :You couldn't chow on that. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee ''''15:57<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it. Finally--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:01<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :No, I was I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''16:04<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''16:05<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''16:08<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time--Cockroaches. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement basement. It was like a half built basement. And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light--in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the whole wall was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the colored--cockroaches. All 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day. Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said colored the wrong way. Did I say 'nigger' and not 'nigga'? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:17<br /> :I burped. Excuse me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:18<br /> :Oh burped. B. That was last show Amy --but the wall moving---and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr-- and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:41<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''17:44<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:45<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:48<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:48<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:49<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them bolted.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:06<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:11<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:14<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat them too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:16<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for-. That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :You'd just snack. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:33<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:42<br /> :you'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:44<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:05<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:06<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:07<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:10<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. 'C', bitch. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:20<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:21<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:28<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. 'C'. Double 'C'. And the song is 'Come Down Here'. Another 'C'. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:36<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:36<br /> :I liked The Cocks better<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :RevCos great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''19:39<br /> :That starts with 'R'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:40<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:40<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:43<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :We're low on the 'R's, okay?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:52<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes and she took over. We did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, Record Player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes, Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:10<br /> :Come down here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:11<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow cunnilingus I got we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''20:20<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''20:23<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> '''[SONG PLAYS UNTIL 25:39] '''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:29<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for 'B'. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:24<br /> :All right. It's the Lacey Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's bound to have it. All right, 5/8th cup butter, a half cup sugar, one egg, a tablespoon of lavender flowers, one and a half cups all purpose flour. And sugar, powdered sugar. And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they gotta get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''27:41<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''27:43<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:45<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me--.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:47<br /> :It wasn't enough at least<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial, and you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. 'C' for condolence. This is the alphabet show the ABCs of filth, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evilnow.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :I'm Amy from whoreofhorror.com and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:26<br /> :And this is Doug from dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Doug Messner<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:32<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:46<br /> :We never even got to converts.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:48<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot Christians. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, Cunts, cocksuckers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:14<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story to.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:18<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''29:28<br /> :Oh I guess it is <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''29:29<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:32<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. I had a friend that gave me that today. Said hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs? Amy. I think in a past life was a Coke Whore. Because she's like, 'I'll take that motherfucker.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:50<br /> :I was never a coke whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:53<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for dickhead and dumb. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now we're just gonna start them out you know so we're gonna Amy a couple of seconds and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:13<br /> :Every day in my eyes all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 323<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved as children obey your parents<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:42<br /> :child is known by doings proverbs 2011 44. Season we'll talk about it so we don't lose<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:05<br /> :weight Psalm 3413<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Isaiah 4522 Block Mr. Boyd again done<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:42<br /> :thanks to the Lord for His good<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:49<br /> :alphabet not the Spirit First Thessalonians 519<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:01<br /> :First, okay, we're gonna stop that sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy. Hello, and Doug. Right? We're working on. It seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter this week or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows and play them. But this show is D. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows a b and c he missed Angel. Some good angel stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby story, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. who started last time. C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies A's and I think dog has to start. Oh, you're right. I forgot we have a dog and the D. No big headed dog is his technical nickname Ron. So<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it's so it's my letter. Yeah. God damn right. Well, I got GE Right. Right, right. Damn it. Damn right. So I got another highfalutin word like a head for a such a dick. But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :and believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I I have this in my head. Anyway. We don't What the fuck do you think we are? Why didn't consult a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You don't want later. We're going to have for AI. We're going to insert a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Anyways, defenestration is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt what is definitive what the faulted fenestration is when you jump out of a window, why can't you just say jump out of the window or crazy motherfucker? Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say, if you say one word he died of defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :Where did you find out about this ever say how people died in obituaries?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:34<br /> :But if you were gonna write an obituary,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :no, your eulogy? No, if you were gonna buy it, right obituary, where did you find out about this word though? really dug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. You know, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :know, Doug reads Dix, the dictionary Wally's.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:48<br /> :I know Dick But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:52<br /> :anyways, he steals a skull out of a crypt in France, and he crashes it to get out it was one of those. This is a story about your friend you Yeah, the drunken murderer jumped out of a window. Yeah, but and his defenestration? Yeah. But he had this skull. And then this is in France, he went to France, and he figured out like this skull, but it's crypt tour, so he has to crash it a fucking skull. You know? As you know, they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:22<br /> :And this is a drunk. Yeah, that's the drunk we drew on his D for dry. We drew on his face with markers when he passed out and he's a total dick. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the Spanish defender.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Anyways, he got roaring drunk that night in France. What a dick. And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two story window.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :And where's he from? Detroit. Wow, he's got the four DS going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with Dick drunk the Federation Detroit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:02<br /> :Alright, and right. I tuned from Detroit. So it stands to reason. Yeah. Doug from Detroit. Yeah, it's everybody's fall as they say it is. Detroit. Oh, fuck yeah. I was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. Full Swing. Oh, no, they burn they burn that city down every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons one, but you were just telling me I didn't even hear the news. Nine people got shot.<br /> <br /> ’’’Shane Bugbee  '''06:34<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:40<br /> :Yeah, it was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:43<br /> :Eight years ago, huh? It was a you know what I mean? He was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit. That was shit that was on fire. And it wasn't no devils night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something is fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :Or she was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be nothing left to burn in this fog? And it's not just devils night. Oh, no. Is it like arson capital? It's where it's at. I mean, but sometimes I've heard different stories I've heard sometimes it's people collecting. I don't know, like the landlord protect, you know, collecting property value somehow by burning this place down, or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shed on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:38<br /> :Hey, I saw the m&amp;m Eight Mile movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:44<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:51<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the colored<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> :place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Bucket is your carpet vomit and start again.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :What's your D word? Ami or D you got a neat thing to throw out there D<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :def drugs Doom and Dennis doll?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:09<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over drugs with addiction. So why don't you do death? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website horror of horror.com There's some really fucked ups that Amy's tales of woe on there are some really fucked up stories and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, or the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shifts that she's in the real Amy lives in the real man and now is Charlie's I say in the real All right, motherfucker, don't correct me. corrections on see it's the real, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay. Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped down to the brains popped out of the top.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:28<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex boyfriend? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how bigger friends are what they do. They better kill me. I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:49<br /> :right you know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book dead people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :used to know great store. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea because Oh, I know it's gonna get stolen now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:02<br /> :I think people know enough dead people to fill a book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :The lie. It's some current like Jim go to listen to his still dead people I used to know, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that see for Kant.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:15<br /> :Oh, I gotta get one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :story I'm sorry to interrupt dead people. I used to know that's a book Amy's going to work on. And that's a great working on it. Yeah, right. She's worked. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top my head?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple 100 I probably know quite a few.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :A couple 100 is exaggeration. Okay. 100. I mean, Amy does know how many how many of your girlfriend's have ended up in the lake over here? A couple, two or three right couple? Yeah. And hopefully shit. No shipment will read a paper story. There'll be some of the news. There was a girl that have been late game because I bet that's one of my friends. And sure shit. It is. This is the killing fields out here. That's Cal city, the Calumet region. So talk to me. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Well, we recently Shane had a friend over from serial killer Central. And we were taught case central case central.com Joe, and we were talking about serial killers in this area. And there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid. I knew this family, the Knicks edge family. In fact, I dated the youngest nixes in junior high, but the oldest one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew peewee who was like this hat guy who never went to school ever in his entire life. I think he dropped out in second grade. And he owed Eddie Nick's edge and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Nick's edge his friend and his friends dad, kill, PeeWee and the guy he's with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, hey, how you doing? They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend who is this now the dead front is peewee peewee graves. fitting name, huh?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest graves. This is real names. Everybody. I always knew him as peewee and when they got caught, of course, you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk. Of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight eight girls and dumped him in Powder Horn Lake so he turned out to be a serial killer for hot up.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:59<br /> :Death. So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed not<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :I need two of them. I knew Eddie Nick's edge one of the killers. And I knew peewee the Kili as it were.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:11<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:17<br /> :That's funny deal. You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for that one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:25<br /> :I know you put a dirty sanchez on both of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths I saw I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was you know, Oh, really. As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I poke at the eye. You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face I'd like poke the cheek. And I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it crapped it all cracked apart. And I ran I run up the stairs<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :on run Krakow like the makeup coming right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like oh my god, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and I'll talk more about the funeral home and if in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the makeup. It was so much makeup caked on there. That That cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My ankles like what happened Who taught you know did that? And you know, I said I ran into him with a flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and When it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover the reader and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever they call my parents say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's I can't top Amy's death stories<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :with you. There's death D. Dana Plato.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:19<br /> :Yeah, Dana, why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:24<br /> :why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:26<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that book and CD I did. And I left it behind. That's why I did that book. And CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking 10s of 1000s of dollars from extra and the National Enquirer and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job. So when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question. It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to be friend, someone. And then. And then I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had. She started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her and she really wanted to live that life. And she's full of that and had potential to do something cool. And do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life. So I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? No, I want to know about that. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never I didn't really know her I didn't you know, I don't know what she I've never seen anything she was in or<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:21<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, I'm a little older than you I grew up watching Dana played on TV and she was about probably a little older than older than me. But she was different strokes, different strokes. And I'd seen that it was like a pre pre pubescent type of AD D different strokes, right? It was a pre pubescent type of love affair TV love affair. I think I whacked off to her one of the first whack apps I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring it up to Chicago to get her top off on the internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book a Coffee Table Book of Memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :well. There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato. No, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in her butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger? Your own ass and then smeared across her upper lip? Or doesn't matter?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:45<br /> :Are you asking me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:46<br /> :I'm asking you I thought I remembered he Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that. I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a prostate rub once in a while has nothing to do with human oleation degradation, degradation or you know gross.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Can you imagine the mixed drink dirty Santa?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:09<br /> :I would imagine a dirty sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:15<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:22<br /> :On a or some further back and yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. Yeah, you know serve and protect man you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rub it on your nose.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:39<br /> :Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :What song we play an AMI. You gave me a song here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :What is it? Dye wars.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any venom in the mix? All right, well, DJ I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say dye wars all you know and just<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:00<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another D song for E because I got nothing for E Eazy E. Oh there we<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :go easy motherfucking e e that's what I got when I look flip on page e it says ed the creep and E easy motherfucking E and of course my favorite subject Eagle die wars a good song I think right Alright, enjoy the song kiddo.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:31<br /> :This is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:49<br /> :Matt<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:43<br /> :You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:45<br /> :song ended pretty abruptly. Let's go were that was Chris Connolly was or no. They sound the fucking same to me gay and Doug loves them and that the letter is D and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter. You<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:09<br /> :know what I wanted to ask you to? I don't know if you'd be covered the fucking door you had a story somebody's trying to bust down your door<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:20<br /> :we'll use that for another one break in a robbery or something like that break. I was gonna say dad, but I can't I don't know the door. I'll go door fucking door. Amy. You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door. Remember? You guys Doug. What did that talk about? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home and the fucking asshole can't dirtiest pot dirty D a dickhead politicians. They don't do anything here anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. i Come on, talk to Amy about it. And she says Oh yeah, the guy was creepy. You know he's over here over there. I shut the door lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuck and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the goggle the fuck do you need? And he goes oh, you know like he was I was looking for some kids. He walks away while I call the fucking cops Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond dickhead cop cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like Rodney fucking King. It was it was great to see because the Asheville tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass and the guy fought back a lot. So there's the door story. How do you like that door? They're in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:05<br /> :good for the winter. Oh, yeah. Well,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:08<br /> :I have a hole in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat her I wonder why I got a walk in case in pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom. And then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. So you get this breeze from the doors. Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D boring. I wanted to say dad, or my brother Derek or the one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up my real like my father was my father but my dad was Steve Dahl. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a doll.com D H L you'll see. He's the guy who did oh, Disco Demolition. He's the guy who did that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager. 10 years or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco record. Disco sucks disco suck. So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco. And he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there everyone's smoking weed and he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man known as a DJ but he's nationally known and rare. Wango Tango is playing right and Ted Nugent big speakers. And they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil now.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy horn horror of horror.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:33<br /> :Doug just genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked we'll be playing some Eazy E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:40<br /> :no more industrial music till P<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life Amy. Horror horror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==EAZY-E - Real Muthaphuckkin G's==<br /> 17:36<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''[singer]  '''00:00<br /> A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z<br /> Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:21<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah maybe Cs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth. Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug interjects: E) Oh, I guess (Amy: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter E. And now we're on F. And this is a show what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with fat. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about, was good conversation. Amy, F, What do you have for F, I have I have my man Farrakhan. Fat of course, that's, that's my middle name. Fucked up - I like to get, and failure. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising. I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:27<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:29<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:38<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:46<br /> Would that be a Feud?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like &quot;leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:58<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit and there's no reason - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:08<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug: All right), isn't that it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:35<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, you would cum inside the ass and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :That well. I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turnon to people.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing Clerks where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, what's a snowball? It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, oh, dude you've done that? You know, it's it was in Clerks. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:37<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:45<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night Bully, and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says Son, I have an electronics store for you and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:13<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:15<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:17<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:24<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:28<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right, that would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:45<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whoreofhorror.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:04<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whoreofhorror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here and I'm Shane, evilnow.com Among other things, Michael, mikehuntsonfire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:54<br /> :Not much good. (Shane: Not much good?)<br /> I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat food force fiends fuck factories fist fire and fill.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced either/or.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:16<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:21<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:58<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policeman had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her and I mean it's a closet you know, you would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:35<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Yaknow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire/fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie Backdraft once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:46<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:51<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like God, what the fuck is this? You know, and Amy's like, Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends. And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke crazy. Crazy man crazy. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:29<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:34<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist, they think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says well, he's probably a fireman. You know...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:03<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old old news.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:16<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:22<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about food and fat these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have, not an addiction but as a definitely comfort. I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and good food I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :We actually have two. Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:38<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:42<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing..?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:02<br /> :Right...mic Ben?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:04<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:09<br /> :So if it was Mike, Pat and Faith No More who'd been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :Carl McCoy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:06<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :number eight, For Her Light. F.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:12<br /> :Oh look at you. For Her Light.<br /> <br /> ''[Fields of the Nephilim - For Her Light plays]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:15<br /> :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. <br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:25<br /> :A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W X, and Y and Z. Happy, happy all are we. Now we learn ABCs. Now we learn our ABCs...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :You dumb fucking cunt. Hey, Doug.<br /> <br /> 01:16 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Yeah?<br /> <br /> 01:17 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> We're ''on'' now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. <br /> <br /> 01:23 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, you could sip your soda pop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:24<br /> Why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones... And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only- I always say is- what we call this yester- &quot;The ABCs of Hate&quot; or &quot;Filth&quot; and &quot;The Alphabet Show&quot;? And it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour, we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind. And we say the letter &quot;G&quot;, we start talking about and trying to tell stories and ''trying'' to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to. So we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. ''Ayy-mee''.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Late to the studio. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> G to G for- I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:23<br /> For Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 02:25<br /> The shittiest shithole.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. *laughs* Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good party.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit ''thinks'' they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills, closed down steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talking, Amy. Tell us about Gary. Gary's your &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my &quot;G&quot;?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for G? Last night- Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to- find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the Gs or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G-spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Go, gas, gag, gaggle. I don't know. Gardening...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the G-spot. So.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :Have I found it? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee''' 03:38<br /> Of course. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> Really? &quot;Of course.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :We wouldn't still be married if you didn't. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :I don't know if I found it or not.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You should be told. You should be told these things. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''  03:50<br /> You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :We've talked about it in detail. I thought.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:54<br /> We did? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed, Amy. Without me. Uh-huh. And what is that with green? G. You smoke the green? Come on, Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh, Gregory Reed. We pray- we- Do we have his phone number?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self-appointed expert in occult crime. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 04:34<br /> Fuckface.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal, murdering thousands each year. (Second one there.) And we call him the other day and we're calling him on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad- (Hey, you might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day.) Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the supposed Satanists, this &quot;satanic cartel&quot;, as he called it, and we callrf his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :You're doing the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. *call goes to answering machine* Noooo. <br /> <br /> '''Greg Reed (Answering machine)'''05:34<br /> Hi, you've reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with ORCC. Please leave me a brief message with your name and number, and I'll get back to you. Thank you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> See, he calls himself a doctor. He's not a doctor. We found out he's a ''painter''.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :This is message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stockey. Location, my number is 219-931-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello? Alright, keep talking please, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregory Reed and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow-up response was to her follow-up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly is what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reed. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to- What's wrong, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's your note pad. It sounds good flying at your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> : Yeah, it sounds good. Gregory Reed then. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying, &quot;I can tell by your tone where this is going.&quot; And I had no tone, really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole- When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he- he lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or ten books that- that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> Yet he's a doctor. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> Yeah, he starts stuttering, he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :Well, he named off ''two'' after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bunk and another one was just a common occult bookshop staple called &quot;Black Magic&quot; by Cavendish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic &quot;cartel&quot;. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :Well, Gregory Reed is barely a G, so let's get on with the G for &quot;garbage&quot;. Anything else? Come on? It's boring.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Garbage.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> GG Allin. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> GG Allin, now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggests &quot;door&quot; for D and &quot;Gregory Reed&quot; for G. Gregory Reed being so fucking boring I'm falling asleep here... GG Allin, now that's cool. Where's my G- did we ever find my GG Allin CD?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :No, we never did find it. We found the case, but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that. Or bean dip and pretended it's shit. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, I'll go get the beans. <br /> <br /> ==GG Allin and sexual assault attempt==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Yeah, well, GG Allin was great. I did the- GG Allin, I got a GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allin story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Which one?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> About when you used to write to him and talk to him. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :Yeah, so I used to write to GG Allin and longtime ago I used to do a zine. And GG Allin- we were corresponding before he went to prison. And after he went to prison- you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call, and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the GG Allin Manifesto, I think it's called. The GG Allin Mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine ''Naked Aggression''. Originally, the- his mission statement. And the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about is- &quot;People. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me. They want to hang out with and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking burned, baby burned.&quot; And I always remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show. They had- he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, &quot;Hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out.&quot; And I said, &quot;Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man.&quot; <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko''' 10:09<br /> That's goddamn right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee''' 10:11<br /> Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark ''Fagula'' Hayner. And &quot;Fagula&quot; was his real name, too. And he had toured with GG Allin and did a video did some video, GG Allin. And he talked about the time his- it was funny, hetell me, &quot;why I hung out with GG Allin. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me.&quot; And I go, &quot;Well, tell me about it.&quot; He's like, &quot;Dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me, really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off,&quot; and he had his pants off, GG Allin was naked with a hard-on, fuckin' trying to rape Mark Haner. And it was really funny, like, &quot;What happened, Mark?&quot; And he looked- he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes? You know, they don't look you in the eye. Marks like, &quot;Well, I got out of there, of course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room.&quot; To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hole or something. Like, like, I think there was more than- I think his pants may have came down... And I didn't say he actually raped him. Because he did follow through with the rest of the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :What can you do though? I mean, you know-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think- GG wasn't actually a big guy, was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any match for him, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :You don't have to be though. It's those crazy fucking skinny fucks like you got to worry about because they got nothing- They just go crazy. It's called &quot;retard strength.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rape me. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> Wouldn't you? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retard strength. I think GG Allin and had retard strength from the get-go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :...I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. &quot;I want this. But he isn't- hasn't showered for days.&quot; That's torn between two lovers, feeling like a fool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :It's all fun and games till somebody starts throwing shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :Or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :Right. So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Yeah, right. I remember him touring and thinking, &quot;Huh, that might not be the show to attend.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Geeg. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :GG Allin. Or George- or George Michael.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Didn't the Secret Service visit you because of GG Allin?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Oh yeah, yeah, that's the story. That's why I asked which one. I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay, so I got the- I am, I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a Secret Service, and it was after GG Allin and wrote the &quot;Mission Statement&quot; for ''Naked Aggression''. He had also come up with a single- I think on the other one, but he has a single called &quot;Kill the President&quot;. And it is it was like, &quot;Kill the president fuck the pigs&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :Hey! that's a it's quite a concept. (Shane Bugbee: Right?) Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the Secret Service comes there to question me. And it was wild why- it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black. They had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, a kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped, and they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. I pop his trunk open, and this is before home computers now. I'm talking- this is before the big home-computer explosion. This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now. I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this. Rhere was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :Like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family [burden?] that they had the shit right there. And I was like, you know, it was- it was- it was there they had the tools, they had the tools to take you down right there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :Imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta magnetic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange, and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :That's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like national ID cards like they're used for now. Used- but they're not you know, used to identify- It was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you to to law enforcement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right? Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving, you get pulled over, you don't have any form of ID over a certain age, I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you, check- I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for-<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income [unintelligible] that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening? &quot;My Greek Wedding&quot;? I loved it. &quot;My Fat Greek Wedding&quot;? I'm fat, man. I love Greek openings- Are you talking about ass play? &quot;Greek&quot; as in ass play? I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was all those motherfuckers digging in each other's asses, [unintelligible] fucking 'em like fuckin' mad. I think-<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :Well, that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends. (Shane Bugbee: What was that?) The definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle of their friends.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :&quot;Wide.&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :&quot;Gopher holin'.&quot; Ever hear it? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gopher hole&quot;?) Yeah, gopher holin'. And it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know you're gopher holin'. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole, you're gopher holin' on<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :I was just gonna say, is that one of your [https://web.archive.org/web/20210423054732/https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Doug%20Mesner accomplishments in the Urban Dictionary].<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :I didn't- In fact, I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life. Putting in &quot;gopher hole&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Someday in a thousand years, all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster's soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :Instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be &quot;Doug&quot;<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :&quot;Gastronomic&quot;? (Shane Bugbee: &quot;Gastronomic&quot;? Speak up.) I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :Hmmm. Baking soda helps. Have you ever used baking soda and warm water?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :&quot;Worm water&quot;? What's that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> ''Warm'' water.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :You mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like a shot. (Crosstalk, Shane Bugbee and Amy Bugbee repeating &quot;warm&quot; and &quot;worm&quot;)<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :It's that Gary, Indiana, accent. (Cross talk about smoking something from bag.)<br /> <br /> ==James Earl Ray's Brother==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :But baking soda and warm water will help my gas, like, better than everything, and you know who will agree with me on this? We hit it off famously after we said we [unintelligible] both you guys talking to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray James Earl Ray]'s brother on the phone.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :Nobody noticed you had gas yesterday. Yeah, I didn't know that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James Earl Ray's brother had- had we- we got along famously after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas problems.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :Yeah, that was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man. He was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James Earl Ray's funeral. You know, if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to- like to have done. And I regret not getting it do that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died, I called his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy ''accused'' of shooting Martin Luther King because I really didn't like Martin Luther King. I think he was [asking for it].<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother, and they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :We've been going on for hours about me. I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :And you brought up James Early Ray. I know that's not-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :You know as I look at you, I think &quot;gay&quot;. (Doug Misicko: Really?) Gay. Yes. I don't know why.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :No, James Earl Ray. Do you remember the stories-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :Amy brought up gay when she was looking at you the other night. She said, &quot;I just think gay.&quot; And now that's all I can think when I'm looking at Doug. Why do you why do you think &quot;gay&quot; when looking at Doug's eye?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :Hmm, I don't know. It must be [unintelligible] thing. Yeah. And the butterface discussions.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, it's the butterface discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :Yeah, and it says, &quot;James Earl Ray&quot; on it? You know it was some guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :You know it was. You know, they said it was a mistake (Shane Bugbee: Some fuckin' Klansman, fuckin' fucking with him.) No, no somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something. (Amy Bugbee: Or they smoked too much weed.) (Shane Bugbee: Amy, Amy...) Smoked the good one. The nugget-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :Thanks for bringing the fucking show [down]. (Amy Bugbee: Ohh nooo.) Now it's the Cheech and Chong Show. (Doug Misicko: The green.) So you're more fuckable- and I don't mean in the physical way. I could fuck with you more when you're stoned and I'm not. (Amy Bugbee: Are you playing GG Allin now or what?) Yeah, you want to play a song? (Amy Bugbee: Oh, we're not playing-) Which one? Well, we're playing &quot;Unrest&quot;, but we have a choice from here's some GG Allin this is off the CD ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks,_Faggots,_Drunks_%26_Junkies Freaks, Faggots, Drunks and Junkies]'', &quot;My Revenge&quot; (Amy Bugbee: Masterpiece.) Yeah, we can play &quot;My Revenge&quot;. &quot;Dope Money&quot;. &quot;Be My Fuckin' Whore&quot;. &quot;Suck My Ass It Smells&quot;. &quot;Dog Shit&quot;. &quot;Wild Riding&quot;.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :You have to play &quot;Suck My Ass It Smell&quot; in honor of Mark Gainers near-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:01<br /> :Because you see, it's about a friend of mine. He's from Detroit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. He's crazy. Why? If you dare him to do something he'll do it provided the money's right. Jesus Christ. I remember the time was in this pet store. We met him at Dollar. He wouldn't met the heads off on them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he beat the head off. Ah, one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw. I said Jay, you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life. He said that so Kay I'm $3 richer to NAS all those important to him. Ale I remember one time at this party, and we dared him to pee in the Punchbowl. He did it. CJ can be a real ass Oh sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him. Because he could pee right on cue. Are you believing they ship? Cars if not you kiss my ass. I Guaran damn tee you is true<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:50<br /> :remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had VD for $10 He said hell if you double your money. I'll make love to her brother. He would have done it do except we didn't have $20 playing the six. Now why Jay did this year I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got zero. This has been<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :done, Doug. Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this alphabet show. I play Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:38<br /> :That man is not funny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:40<br /> :and it's really stupid. Oh really. But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put ABC at alphabet and then whatever. But this is the ABCs of the alphabet or the alphabet of ABCs or the ABCs of filth and or the alphabet show whatever we don't really have a name it's a concept and all our topic is all we do is start this half hour internet talk show with the a letter and this week or not this week but this show is the letter H don't look at my age his motherfucking jerky change your<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:16<br /> :cheater hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :god dude don't talk about my name on the weekends don't ever tell people that you call me I'm fucking Saturdays again. The you know the mics are on duck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:29<br /> :Okay, well there's right okay good well your stage now go away.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Carl. Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :it's one Doug shaved my chest<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:40<br /> :all right actually there's debate as to what a proper hot Carl is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:43<br /> :what is a hot car and why are you all into the film stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You do have a hot girl pin no I have holiday Sanchez<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :it's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words from my own fucking pins and I don't like it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :all right, go ahead. You talked about you talked about your hot Carl what is how do you give a hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :listen I am i Car know what is hot car<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :what hot Carl's a scat sex act it's got to do a shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:12<br /> :with you dude.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :peppers. See that's the debate the debate is some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a Cleveland steamer. Or as other people say a hot Carl is is got. Anyway you caught it. Somebody's taking the shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. And then this is a letter H for Hi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:41<br /> :I'm sorry, Doug. Well, okay, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :want to hit me? No, no getting mad interrupting you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Carl. Now it's when you other people say it's when you leave and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. No, I'm leaving tomorrow. You know what The train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment and no one would own up to it. They all blame the dog.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot car. Oh, poor form that you didn't Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:18<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill and it was a second storey apartment. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :that's that's hot. As Paris Hilton Nicole Richards say that's hot.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :I should have neighbor's doorstep before really I lived in like this apartment complex one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings that I was working late night shifts and this person playing music very loud all day and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6am You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:47<br /> :I don't understand where you beat it on the wall just on a different time. Or did you be on a wall because they played well because they're playing music.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :Music<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. Couple.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:01<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I showed on their doorstep and the loud music did stop I think they put two and two together. And what was funny is it was kind of hard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:12<br /> train horn rage. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit and anybody could have driven by and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :saw tissue or anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:25<br /> :I took a few with me and then I finished the job when I you know, I wasn't I guess I wasn't. I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the US tissue on the door. Also there would have been there would have been a distinct message to it. I should have written on him beforehand. Fuck you, you know and stuck them. Why did you deal with ah, we went from hot Karl.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :I know you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I dug Carl dog I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :I don't need to be analyzed<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:58<br /> :shit taught coming from a dog though who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:05<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of hot coffee hot. Ah, I know that's not the good age like hot Cairo but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to hear this. I'm going to try to get as high as Amy but I don't know if that can ever be achieved from the hookah from the hookah. Doug's disgusted from the hookah dug straight edge freaks dug straight and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubble<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:32<br /> :dad like everybody getting higher on me. It's cool.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:36<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. We missed that for gas where I would have<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was that a busted Daisy? We learned yesterday.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the shit and Angel stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not you know, I know that sounds like you know, Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your eyes. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time I think you have you know that? You know the frozen hotdogs story and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:07<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog every high school. This is ah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :we need some eight stories. Amy What are your H words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:17<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have highpass accuracy home in Hammond homes and home.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :I love it. Well, what do you want to you want to you want to say Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:31<br /> :HH Holmes. That's Triple H.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:33<br /> :Zack was thicker him. Welcome.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :Say that guy is 100 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some kids. Or something to go further. Some goals out there. To 300 dead. Ah, ah, anything else? Your horror, horror of horror. Speak up. Let's hear a story about horrors or something from the horror. Well, we<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:59<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:00<br /> :So watched had had<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:02<br /> :the monkeys had the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:05<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. Yeah, never<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:09<br /> :seen the monkey's head dog. Just watch the tape. And this was the first time you've seen a dog. Give an honest review min.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:16<br /> :Ted I thought it was I Well, I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what year it was. But it seems well. Well, well before it's time. It seems like you know something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant garde. It kind of you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways seems like it's going somewhere if you walk away if you like you're gonna miss something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:43<br /> :sort of like the theme song that they have there. Just when you thought it over the beginning might begin or something like that, that should be saw. And so did you have any respect for the beetle or monkeys? Oh, bad note beetle. Oh my god. I'm a monkey's fan too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:58<br /> :Well, before I saw it, you Before you start, what<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :do you think of the Monkees?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :No, I always thought what I heard of them that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles some What do you think after you saw that? Yeah, they they obviously weren't, they obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot, at least the image that they were portraying before that a lot, you know, like I what I made of the in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned and know how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:40<br /> :For age, I do my duty dog do you do yours?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like sub stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :I like had in more than one way Oh, it was found about getting head is that and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head what? That's in No, we're talking about head and I'm comparing the two I used to really love head but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis. And I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feel and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel it would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think I wouldn't I will never know that but I really wish I could see my parents and I you know, but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of hate and filth in the alphabet show that we're doing here. Which is I'm Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:46<br /> :And I'm Doug. And I'm Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:49<br /> :and I run evil now.com Among other things, my content feiyr.com Three Ring radio.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:55<br /> :and I own the domain name dis genex.com Well, actually, oh, that explorer. Yeah, there's something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:02<br /> :can we well, we live in Hammond, Indiana on Holman on home and if you ever have ever seen the Christmas story that's home in Indiana, which is really Hammond Indiana, he just changed the street name and stuff. And he being Jean Shepherd. But Amy, any Hammond stories Hammond where we live we're broadcasting now is where A Christmas Story The movie is written about this is this is this is the area.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, summer story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good to that Phantom of the open her<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:40<br /> :heart was Matt Dillon. Middelen<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:43<br /> :you're cowboy. You don't know who Matt Dillon is? We are old. I think Amy like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking into Mama's womb or something. His ball sack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:56<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen drugstore cowboy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :Have you ever seen the outsiders? No,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:05<br /> :there was no there was like what Junior High girls like I thought was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :wrong. No, it's a good it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior. I grew like to say I'm a fucking hit. Yeah. Ah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:16<br /> :For hit you ever seen over the edge? That's a great movie. It's like his first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Yeah, over the edge is fucking snow or cold man. Really? He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:28<br /> :Sorry, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> I'm trying to think of a recent movie. He's been in<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :high school. Ah, I bet you we all have good high school story. Oh, fuck, but we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play High on Fire. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:42<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:51<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:55<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion, ‘cause that would make it go over there...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :For Zion, or from Zion?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :From Zion.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it, How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the only one that didn't get picked<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :as a good we'll just play the whole city and forget the fuck the show. will play. Is that one,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :one. Let's start with one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :Cool, high on fire. And let me let me let your kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing to a demo before this was not released. So you hear an unreleased high on fire. You You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug the story about high end fire. Let me hear okay, so high in fire they play this expo they're great great music musicians and Doug you've never heard high in fire right? Never. So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal this and so I have to explain to him how God like high on fire is so high on fire. They write this album called Jerusalem, this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song it's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great job. But it doesn't impress you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :I'd have to hear it I guess. I mean, but isn't that cool? That is cool. I can see an album like that being good. Well, you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:28<br /> :gonna hear some high on fire right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:29<br /> :Well, that's one of the that was sleep though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :Yeah, that was sleep. That was a bad sleep. That's a different band. But<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :Pike is like the leader of med pikes like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:39<br /> :a rock out he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit man he'll you know in the history annals of metal or rock and roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players and you're in do the faggy skinny puppy type stuff which Amy said the thing about skinny puppy is the bad thing about skinny puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:02<br /> :And I proved heterosexual and it's right at the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :maybe that's why you felt so strongly about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards and desert.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:58<br /> :Right<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:00<br /> :All right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :My son,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:18<br /> :same was what was that Amy? Matt pike from high on fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:28<br /> :So the turtle told him what his name was.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:31<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtles name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes and about a half an hour later, he said, your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:51<br /> :Myrtle of all things turtle ever said. Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:58<br /> :I don't know. It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:02<br /> :All right. I don't I don't doubt that it's name is murder. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:06<br /> :Absolutely done. He<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :was right. Then he was right. Heil. Yep, true. And in there. Hi. Oh, John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:17<br /> :Heil. Heil, Hitler.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:20<br /> :I couldn't think of another he just couldn't do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:24<br /> :It's such an obvious one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :You guys didn't have it? No. Are you? Are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? That's so obvious. Typical. Typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising. I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't an AMI? Not surprising? No, but what do you say to me?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:45<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:50<br /> :It's on my list. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:51<br /> :else is on your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:52<br /> :Hi. Like I was getting at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:04<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept What do you did with every, every time I leave class, he take the history book, which was the thickest book. And he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And it's so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damage as you can tell today. I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears. And so one time I took a belt and wrapped around books. Something like one of my father my uncle would say that said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :I want slit at pep assembly on fire and I did not get expelled for all those people. I used to get in trouble for most everything I did and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because it Caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. This thing went up. And I thought, oh shit, it's all over. But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. You never got caught the most amazing thing I never got caught for but speaking out whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a in my high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:27<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing Hitler use songs. It's fine. It's good March there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Maybe it can tell us. In high school. I used to have a swim class first hour. And this was when I was like, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :he's like saying that because I get high. And then I in high school. I always if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls. Yes, I'm stuck in the 80s all day. And you could just say I had a swimming class first period and Cory<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:58<br /> :major bloodshot, right? Yeah. But anyways, I didn't do that. But we had the stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office and then we're all supposed to not get in the pool. Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance which was US lining up and calling off number. Every fucking morning we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:19<br /> :That's like saying nigger for black guy. You can use a real time.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :Pleasant, Pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said it but it happened every single morning. They were so stupid. High school was all provoking people in getting in fights High School<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:57<br /> :was all about getting high.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high not going.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:04<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So then I went back because I got well, I got housed. Let's put it that way. I got a house for a month and a half in a county jail. And residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because that was absolutely the way different experience because it was a different school, right? No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so serious after that. We'll come back to school and they're just fucking kids and they're just fucking off talking about garbage. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids and I did not feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into you know, they make it hard to get a job you know you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know just because you don't want to go to school as a bad person in jail sounds<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:10<br /> :like a great resource for our kids.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:13<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson I walked the line but I don't think I'm absolutely will not that was a factor definitely experienced and I felt that came out of there Catherine sober person said you do that there's repercussions for what you do. And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers that play with other fucking people to problem every situation you're in six weeks in jail during that time I broke I had my pinky broken tried to punch someone I'm not much of a fiber and hit the concrete wall and my pinky because the guy was stealing my food and as a fat fuck not a fight No. Fucking Mike Tyson takes myself and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :eats your whole D<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:01<br /> :habit to fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:04<br /> :He broke him in jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:06<br /> :I broke my own Pinky. Yes. came out I was in the cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, Pinky with a gay father. It's honestly 26 seconds hermaphrodite the ABC show next week is what letter comes after h i i Da Doug Amy shamed by evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:35<br /> :dis genex.com for more.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:37<br /> :See you next week I this was h ABCs.<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the I show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over, we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> ':''Shane Bugbee  '''06:44<br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :and I have respect for ancient history and archaeology but I would say make the fucking holy land to crater a radioactive waste and then tell them go to town it's all yours all you so let's go ahead pocket Solomon's temple gives a shit it's just it's gone to fucking fire it's gone to fucking fire exactly fence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :off the whole country and it can only be for tourists you know no one can live there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:01<br /> :Yeah free zone un whatever Martial Law No, no, no it was asshole should be there. If people really aren't you have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with churches churches or terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document and it's stupid.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:27<br /> :They've night the church<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :we need to ignite some churches here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptist it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the you know, like a dome.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :That's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like what eight tracks and then do another CD exactly. I thought it would have been cool<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't more Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing today<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :we're doing the alphabet we're starting each show with a letter and just going. That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme we bring up a letter first word comes to mind and we discuss this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black negros and sit and talk about<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:34<br /> :rotund. Yeah. Would I use that for the sauce<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:38<br /> :inflated for?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:40<br /> :Oh god? worse, worse than fat inflated. But like the five big flat fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:49<br /> :Big? I think it's five big, big inflated negros that discuss things on a show. Oh, no, there's some morning show. Yeah, nevermind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Is it the view?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:01<br /> :I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:02<br /> :Are they all negros? I think so. Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :She's a negro. Exactly. She's some No Oh, she's a she's in that word it she's a network nigger, is what she is right. She was paid one time she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity now Feds not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. Exactly. You know, she talked to him and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered nice man he is and everything else and the guys making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into everybody knew that smoking was bad for you. And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that you set a bad precedent you should be stopped, had been lying. It would have been different story or killed. Right? What were they lying about on medical records? Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that. It's up to them. Right when they lie about it. That's a whole different story. Same<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid. Tune<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:46<br /> :in for the last five minutes or 10 minutes of the F show. And you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:01<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called gardone Riviera. And that's where Gabriel dnn Zeos house was most people don't know who Gabriel de Nunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet, Italian I, yeah, Italy. So we went over that I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else and the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, di Nunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfeld's colons dicks and bushes, but anyways, he lost an eye in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers the black shirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the original Blackshirts. Those were the original fascists, and Mussolini aligned themselves with him in them in when he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about him. Do you Nunzio didn't like Mussolini, you saying you say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot for AI. And so when Mussolini came to power, right? dnn zo was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home and being that he spent their money like it was going out of style. It was beautiful. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room. I was bad was like a car and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :love that I've always wanted. And it's funny. You say that I've always wanted to have themed rooms,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :and he had one where the the theme was discovered hand there's hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was he was great.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:26<br /> :Well, I'll see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a que no J No. Que je evil now.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:38<br /> :TV is god.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:40<br /> :dis genex.com Only one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:41<br /> :That's because of his addiction. A show addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :because it sure has been a long day. But there's<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What is that?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:10<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E, F G, hey, Jai i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u v, w x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:38<br /> :very nice big bed<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :last night I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:48<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah bah black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the Dane. One plus one is two that's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three that three bags of war Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir three bags<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:29<br /> :myself about you how do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie that was beautiful yes let's all sing<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:28<br /> :tiny bit see which way to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:41<br /> :tween playing golf<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:58<br /> :well Good night everybody<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:15<br /> :Amy How you doing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:17<br /> :I’m doing just fine. am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:24<br /> :The alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from three ring radio and from dis genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:35<br /> :Not here<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :and the great artists from Midas write to that stock thank you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:42<br /> :not really from my knees ready really attached himself to something that was already moved and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned was such a great book. I still can't figure it out soon<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:52<br /> :to be a great artist for more than just soon to be exactly known just for minus right. And Shane got what? How many websites? No no evil now club. Hey, my icons on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what I'll say me if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:23<br /> :don't want to overlook any you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there. Sometimes. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:31<br /> :And then I do TV is God and the horror of horror or horror of horror.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :We better get the horror of horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get your fucking us your fucking us<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :alphabet show and today's letters what?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :By the letter K?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:53<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K K K.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :K K and you know we played some chahti rebel, but now we have an excuse to play caging Klu Klux Klan if we wanted to excellent Do you have any k songs and Avi?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :I got karma to burn, but I think we could hear some. Some more Johnny ribelle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :more of the trip. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that better veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Well, that's just PCP that they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably the similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, it's just got to be PCP because that's what PCP is is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:41<br /> :I’m pretty special. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :I love peas. I don't know. I've never done like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:57<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:02<br /> :bites the bumper leaves his teeth barking it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:05<br /> :gets shot five times and runs out a guy and rips his hat off his bare hands. Was there a PCP?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:10<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember I smoked pick PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man did the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this in this court,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:29<br /> :you know Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. So easy listening to and playing and slugging or smiling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:42<br /> :something like fucking eyes, the eyes board or something like that, you know, crazy train or something naughty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:49<br /> :it carefully guys with their eyes like wide open just to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking like three weeks. And I know there was a big right everyone know, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot breakout. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PC.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:26<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:30<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not we couldn't run away. I think it was we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCB.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :I guess the real scary power this guy we're holding hands. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like I know some we look at each other's hands go. Oh, it didn't scare us the right didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:02<br /> :for K. Well, I was PCP. Similar different to crystal meth.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :Oh, math is an upper math is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. Forget it. I cannot forget it. You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommended institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :I thought PCP was an<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :upper. No, no, no, no, like a hallucinate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have an extra adrenaline. Okay, but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say it animal tranquilizer. Okay, Crystal Meth is an upper like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. It was fun. She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm trying to do your opposite Yeah, I'm an AMI is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, God do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:49<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive a murder somebody<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what you know just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and I can't kill you know it's it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:19<br /> :I don't know I think about I think about murder a lot<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:21<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. Which one I don't know you were saying how nice it was before Duggan or rupt but it's not murder it's que Conte for Kill Kill HiLine killing with an AI n not n ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:44<br /> :but driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving me Shane and Mike Diana and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. We were on TV. We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were gone. Or as for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:31<br /> :And now I did say you would kill on crystal meth kill and K ABC show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch or we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck you you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:05<br /> :I might know might<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :I think so. We gotta close scary yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:08<br /> :Sometimes you're afraid of yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :Admit it. You have personnel. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:13<br /> :remember one time I was just at a I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for we were walking around at night, Paul. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:21<br /> :there comes the hall. Joe. That comes the whole Joe. Oh, here comes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:28<br /> :we're walking around this jewel. Here's the cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out. Did you ever it's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:42<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's Hall?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:44<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :I can get old Joe.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:50<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:53<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical Are we are we talking like no law? Are we talking like just what I'd want to do or what I could know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :Right now what would you do you think would be the<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :most enjoyable doing something<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''13:07<br /> :with my bare hands is bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just to the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wide of skin and you know, crushed bone. It's a good<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:19<br /> :Yeah, I think that's bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :but there's laws you're saying Did she say most fun that's what you do.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I do. In respect to the law I would use poison Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:35<br /> :And I would enjoy poison kill anyone I think about killing myself and I think poison would be it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have you know if you know they have to choke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:45<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:53<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. It's true. I don't want Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture hard to detect. You know, they talk all about rice and now is a terrible tool. But inside<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :and North South Carolina. Their their their Bush their state Bush is a leaf that's poison and if you dried it out and made it duty it we could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. What tour? We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:30<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:33<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:40<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Racing comes from just from Castor beans. It's not hard. It's like you know, it's a it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:52<br /> :where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:54<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own rice and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :then what do you do with rice and beans? Rice and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :you put it in some ways food or you make content it's one of the it's one of the most potent poisons What do you do with it Doug? I don't do anything with it tell<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:10<br /> :People people could do that. And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is it's it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and started to do to prolong death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenic and they die. coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on and people like to acknowledge you know, oh yeah, I think it happens a lot<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :if it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay or<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:45<br /> :basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital I think there's something going on<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:52<br /> :oh my god told me about that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:53<br /> :I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:57<br /> :Oh really? Yes. Watch back<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :well, well you can is character flaw with a K now that's a C<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:10<br /> :that's fine. But botulinum spores you can make put your own botulism people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:20<br /> :Columbine?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:21<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't I'm not very Columbine savvy. Klebold which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:30<br /> :they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:33<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like just like one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :entity doesn't really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:42<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:46<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have. I think Amy's favorite is clay bald.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:51<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. Why? I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, it looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :Okay. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:02<br /> :Okay, I get it. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:04<br /> :can't figure out I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:11<br /> :You're looking at their unit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :I look at them as a unit.<br /> <br /> ==The KKK and killing Jewish people==<br /> 17:15 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Alright. So weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> 17:21 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :No, we were talking about the Ku Klux Klan. (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) my was talking about kikes during the… you know, when we were off the air, for k.<br /> <br /> 17:30 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K-word.<br /> <br /> 17:32 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I think you said, &quot;Fucking kill the kikes&quot;.<br /> <br /> 17:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :What does &quot;kike&quot; mean to you, Amy?<br /> <br /> 17:39 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Go fly a kike. <br /> <br /> 17:40 '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> 17:41 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Kike-y tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> 17:44 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes. &quot;Just do it.&quot;<br /> <br /> 17:50 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I don't have any good KKK stories. I- (Shane Bugbee: No?) I gotta say I've never met anybody in the KKK.<br /> <br /> 17:55 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over. Andy.<br /> <br /> 18:07 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> 18:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me? I guess, so as long as you let me live through my miserable life, that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> 18:17 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :And his wife were over. They're both active members in the Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:21<br /> :Yeah, and they were cool. We watched what do we watch with them? We're watching the movies or do we just hang out? And watch bumfights? Oh, that's right here we went it bumfights and they discussed it or the wife looked disgusted by it but they weren't you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he was listen I'm talking past tense was a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the client seems that you know Christians in the clan I part ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:50<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the Klan do?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:54<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups that's from the ACLU to pee to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :I tried fucking tried.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:29<br /> :Why can't you get over you could have got over there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:31<br /> :I was there I guess you can't get a job over there now. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:35<br /> :I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry software. I get over 30 Fucking I'll be over there bed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:42<br /> :I was I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. Yeah, I don't have any friends over there. Tried to talk Amy to move into Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:54<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> ==Opposition to religions in public==<br /> 19:57 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck I can't handle these kinds of politics Kerry, Bush, Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have, they don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we ''don't'' have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in Three Ring Radio, we had spoke about the in France going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away. This other jamoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie. I don't know who's telling me what, I don't really care if I moved to France and not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling, &quot;Kill Christians&quot;. I ain't gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanists or any Buddhists or anyone. I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that.<br /> <br /> 20:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Oh, I know recently in France, they were talking- they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No- no turbans, no goddamn little Jewish… (Shane Bugbee: Where was this at?) In France! No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps on their heads.<br /> <br /> 21:11 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, I like that as long as it’s ''no'' religious stuff. Fucking no- <br /> <br /> 21:14 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :I'm with you. I'm all for it. I'm ''all'' for it.<br /> <br /> 21:16 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :It's like like smoking in public- it's like smoking in restaurants wearing religious garb all over. It's offensive to me. I want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense ass. Fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public, either.<br /> <br /> 21:33 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head, every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> 21:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Rip the crosses off their necks. Stick it in their fuckin' eye.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:46<br /> :In their fuckin eye, right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:48<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids. So they've learned better maybe if we did that with everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Yeah, exactly. Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :Like, oh, like the cubicle came for cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:07<br /> :Hey, isn't that see? Well, today it's okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:10<br /> :It was character flaw worked. Why not cubicle? You're right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:14<br /> :Got a point cliche theory<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:17<br /> :about cubicles because we had this office where we live before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of a cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:45<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking your fucking type and fucking loud. You know? Jesus Christ. You type in loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:57<br /> :No, no, I let go. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I started getting busy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:05<br /> :What do you say? My turn down the fucking soul? Yeah. All right. All right, clan. What are you good joining you know me and Amy went to the cloud Museum and we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married. on our honeymoon. She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:32<br /> :Montreal, Toronto, wherever we'd was legal or something. Yeah, right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:35<br /> :So so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the rubber flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the clan museum on our honeymoon. And the client guy like I call a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone and recall them so we're on my honeymoon and he goes well I'm close but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids. Kids K any k k k Museum and so it takes us that we got out there we meet them down there opens a store and we're letting it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs cladding is Honey Don't let him cheat you get something free so so Amy goes runs over gets a t shirt the night time is the white time. Tell him what else tell him all the shows the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:27<br /> :The guy who ran it his son he's like what a sacred Cyclops<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:36<br /> :that's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:38<br /> :talk into the microphone though.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:41<br /> :From the movie that Klansmen you know what they say. What is that an ordained Cyclops or something? He says<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops folly yesterday or the other day we're talking I II for AI we're talking about dogs with an eye I'm not a bucket Cyclops I have to realize just one's broken<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:05<br /> :so anyways, Raiders of Lost Ark Neph<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:08<br /> :the back room was like Raiders of the Lost Ark when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:14<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walk around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:38<br /> :with Bush in office. I mean, Bush is the client as fuck and people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over bush. I hate I gotta hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. He's a retired it was a speaking of the client. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was it was fun to go on our on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely clan song by Johnny rebel I think we can actually dedicate this on Amy. What was the Andy's wife's name? Cindy, this is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''26:26<br /> :And oh man.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''26:40<br /> :neggers listen now. I'm going to tell you keep from getting towards the when the clan is on the prowl. Stay at home at night and lock your doors a time. Don't go outside or else you find those poses a burden. Now I know you will believe me. So I'm going to to you by the Kagan's because Panasonic G five. I'm warning you when I'm through. You're gonna change your tune. This store is found a nigga. His name was Ilieva he walked into a cafe he thought he'd get a bite. A thought that they would serve him since they passed the civil rights. A waitress told him no. And that he better go he said No ma'am my Uncle Sam say I don't have to go so he sat there in may be and stubborn as a mule no matter what she said he would get up all that's do. He sat there like a jackass said I'm gonna demonstrate. Talk came in here leaving till the hallway just heard and she said I told you. She said if we can treat you right we'll have to treat your phone was in her hands. She gave him one more chance he would go and so she called the pages to close play. When he saw them patients come in leave. I knew it was too late. His eyes popped out his head and his kinky hair got straight. He said oh lousy white folks. I didn't mean a thing. Why did I have to listen to that demonstrated ping. Now niggers understand the tide of pull his hands. He was at the mercy of and cage and Ku Klux Klan. I knew just want to be buy new with two new ones or just say with the Nygard. Now the moral of the story if pain is it in the niggers Mind your business and let us like it better heed my warning and try to understand don't do Doom on the straight around the page and cookbooks plan<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :all right, three ring radio.com Evil now.com horror of horror.com dis genex.com And this is k in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''29:55<br /> :LMNOP A tabloid<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Letter F */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Whoo ha ha AEC see Isaac is it oh so sad because I will see you soon as they decide so so the idea girls will all join together on the letter D ea, ea. T. Do you do at the end of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:37<br /> :the day di, di di Di Di, di you are gifted<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :Thank you. Jay Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay, you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:15<br /> :a good day<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Dog. Yes. Can't even hear you. Try it again. Okay. Oh, there we are. Very good. Amy. Hello. I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk in the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :We're reprised privacy. I wrote prettier. How do you say that? Reprising Yeah. We're reenacting our roles in the 911 broadcast right now. Refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time remember your rights here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :that, an order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show and bands that start with the letter A or B or C we really don't have a name but the alphabet show the alphabet show Doug says the ABCs of hate that you know how typical Phil? Phil how your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably worried so difficult. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :What was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it should be the ABCs without w is our world is a world without<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :W What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know they call the president? W<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :our world is dominated by W but it wasn't<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :speaking of a asphalts stripe CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking Hey, now see? See asshole. animosity, aggravation.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :And then sub phallic. Oh, hey, that's my favorite a word that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What does that word again? And then so phallic. Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :It's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the clap sets and little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :Happened to Princess?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies. Wow. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that is what happened to Princess kid. And a phallic Jelic<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Do you smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? A brain<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :couldn't tell you. But what does it what does that again and then so phallic. And I said a phallic? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :I got it. Well, we're onto another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :making up words. Doug's just fucking with true word medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, good stories. John. Dawg. You gotta get stories about NFL Vladik.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met, but if anybody's willing to sell me one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickle punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had was princes son.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they will know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. That starts with a yeah And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy and Amy, my favorite a word of off, Amy. Beautiful, Amy. You're sweet. Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running to the streets angry looking for a mad fix. zactly something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? No. So angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier good story. I think about something about Angel we said was we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, Well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything at all. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A S. and, you know, she thought she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She I don't know. Maybe if she higly I paid extra she may have that's why she was so filled out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, Well, maybe she get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town and these people, she was really disgusted by the it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ash. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just felt there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been Yeah. Or she had really long fingernails or something. She<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked at that trade said it was common that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty and a lot of the girls had figured that was they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty and sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta get anal story. Oh, okay. One time. I stuck a candle in the skies. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep? No, no, he<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was right away.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Okay, take your pants off if you wanted to get right all right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So so this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :Hold on. Well, I mean in chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. explaining it was I do like my ass work. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your boy you're eating nutty chocolate, I realized<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :was a born again Christian. I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the password. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :He I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :do you mean hot looking? No. I mean, it was frictions creating heat,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, Ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :it was cool. All that out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :The candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke up and inside of them. And I didn't tell them or anything. I just had to go eat poop it out later, but it probably had to go to the doctor for that. No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop dog think I gotta<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :ask. All right. Well, I've never had grass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess I guess you guys perhaps Perhaps you ever thought about it now?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Sweaty down below thinking about it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Now if it did I do it but it hasn't. So I haven't you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :there's the process. stayed up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :This right here. Male G spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :a gay man told me that before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about a gay man once told me and now I'm looking at you again. Exactly. Doug's given me the one brown eyes got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :it was a gay guy. Another<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :fucking beat your fucking Scullin like a goddamn white man. Where I live radio. I just told the whole email group to join in another gay man. That<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :was gay guy. DJ Oh, you know who used to date was Daniel Day Lewis. Anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :we'll save that for DS tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis get his ass worked. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :I was having a after hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, Hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true all you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Night Well, I hear a legend in urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. No, if you stop shooting loads sick pulls up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. Oh, really? Yeah, but friend of mine Monty claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves jerk you off. And tickle work your ass their finger. Oh, he claims I just don't think I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :i Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. That's why if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's my doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's man you can if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcraft nice t shirt. You got their fellow?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a John Ashcroft. Doug drew a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :really cool t shirt. He's an artist, a fine artist. I like to call him but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, non joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one I don't know. You stick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does that he does have one eye<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :but I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good Irish just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t shirt that we're going to be selling on three ring radio.com and evil now.com and dis genex.com and horror of horror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful a. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :the ego. So you're listening to it all day. Like,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? Michael Moore. All right, right. He's related to the guy in the process.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right Robert? grimston. Robert,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :right hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the PS Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it as craft as craft the parlor. That's the point I'm making. As craft. I just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :got to add I think is craft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen all of us. I don't know what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :We're Focht now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with like ask crowd isn't asked. Right. I don't have I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Do you pointed him he pointed all the losers as as Croft last elections Senator in Michigan Spence Abraham last fuckin election gets appointed head of the department of energy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :here it's playing right now I can't turn it down below me stop this. See that was as craft sorry go ahead I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine yes Croft was singing the world standstill and Ashcroft sings<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :as Croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing is the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned. Fucking hedge and De Niro<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :hanging with dog is like hanging with the goddamn teacher in my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So I could feel smarter than his friends. Okay. On<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, neighborhood Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ashcroft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit. 911.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. So what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Well, to hear it right now. Go ahead. We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs. Of Fate fill.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :Fill the alphabet show the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :alphabet show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while Amy's call it the alphabet show. Doug has the name the ABCs of filigree fuckery and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word. fuckery isn't it? Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :better go<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :motherfucker bitch fuckery is my word motherfucker. My word motherfucker and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :using dumb factory but fuckery to describe time foolery and you know grab ass what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tip when I was sucking your mama's tip before you are round by the use of fuckery motherfucker all right in all fuckery Yeah, that's my name of the show pure fuckery letter fuckery something okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you actuals as a play playing Doug Doug Hello. I don't know All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by shozy We're gonna have this shit taken care of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:01<br /> :to Golden Golden's.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:10<br /> :oh hi cheese never saw before Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:18<br /> :from rocky coast to Golden shores.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:21<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing pleadings<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:37<br /> :as the land beneath her sings.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:39<br /> :Only God love other kings. Let the mighty Eagles oh, oh.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:59<br /> :This country's far too young. She's still got to live<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:06<br /> :with God. No other kings. Let the mighty Eagles Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:20<br /> :no, she's cried a bit for what we've put her<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:23<br /> :through. She soared<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:27<br /> :above the lifted lamp. Guard sweet freedoms though. In the dues the dance the watch fires of a nation torn by Whoa.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:41<br /> :She's far too young to die. You can see it in her eyes. She's not yet begun to fly. It's time to let mighty Eagles the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:55<br /> :Eagles saw Oh Oh like she's never saw before Oh, from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:06<br /> :rocky coast to Golden shores<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:09<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing wanes<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:24<br /> :as the land beneath her says things only God<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:32<br /> :no other key things. Let them mighty soul Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :you've got to love the fucking John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:52<br /> :God loves them. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :Oh yeah. You see sung man at a press conference? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :you know the better a look at my list of A's is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. Not at all. Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pissy All right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of policy and he's very obsessed. They're not around with that is good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, get can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking Empire by now. Right? Right. I mean, he has too much fucking time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :I can't. That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 911 show last year on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first right? Yeah, you can't listen to we're history bitch. You're talking to Brian fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And Betsy Ross over here. We're history<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :Dolly Madison,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolly Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You're driving it something like that? I was. Yeah. What? Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have as you can see from my Rotunda bill, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any motherfucker going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it or is he's involved in the pipe trade glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like five $10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the rosin. And I mean, ami freaks out because I am a real fucking I've got a real bad addiction to weed when it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something as this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because I fucking knee these<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:59<br /> :things. cocaine, alcohol, mocking me these days.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel. Dude, I fucking need these things. I need these things. Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. And addiction. Well, you need like fun. Yeah. Well, sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You don't want it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship feed off, man. And it's more than<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :the ritual of it smoking Amy talked about the ritual of smoking is setting up the bong and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a doll blade. No. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :you're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for Wu.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that we only got five minutes left. How<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :long is your song? Two minutes and 44 seconds. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's Only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You that's the only time it's bad the addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for 24 hours show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without you know that it's it's fun when you have you know those things to come for you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. What do you mean when you look at me being addicted? Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call says come on over. All right. The booty call? Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :Here that ladies. That's Doug Ed. Pussy. I'm call on call. Dick. What's your website? Again? Dis Genex. Yeah, ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy cut. Oh. Oh, that was your brother. Sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. It is for me. It's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an attic until it's gone. When it's gone. You seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say I could use a fucking weed right now. Sure I can fucking use a joint was sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :Exactly that sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :y'all get on your knees.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''27:11<br /> :I need these things. You know what<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know everyone I've been surrounded with as an addict. So I've never been addicted<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :for a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for I pain. But when the pain went away and stopped smoking it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :it was a good medicine for you. Yeah, well addictions get bad because you really need so much I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke if I get an eighth. I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore and I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :oh god she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now she's gonna call these<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :we didn't cover abuse the other a word<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. Well, what's the name of the song public assist to play that for pee pee P we'll play it for p so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot wanted to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's it goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes you Dick It's hard when you're beaten on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink deck. My dork could talk about that for my hog. The problem with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> :abuse though is you got 20 seconds they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are by<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy Thank you. This Gen x.com horror of horror.com and evil now.com my consent feiyr.com and three ring radio.com Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week be. That was great. Yeah well I think it's gonna go great<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:02<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:24<br /> :you know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on mycuntsonfire or evilnow.com Mycuntsonfire.com, uh, clubhate.com, threeringradio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. Thewhoreofhorror.com. And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug MiSeq noise is I think, how do you say the last name? Messner. Missy. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say his acquaintance. Doug Messner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:53<br /> :That's me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:54<br /> :And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug [unintelligible] is I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''02:04<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:05<br /> Mes-- Mesi--. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:17<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:19<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner, it's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does dysgenics.com He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds with the reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:45<br /> :you know I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss 'the A show' go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :A is for addiction. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''03:05<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''03:06<br /> :Cuz,I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:08<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family you know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies. They're good though. That's a tested that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my...Well, I'm asking for it. But you know-- r<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :but they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :they're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :I don't know about that partner.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:00<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:01<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:08<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:10<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:10<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:14<br /> :All right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:15<br /> :--before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :Come on. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:40 <br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:53<br /> :Lavende r Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:58<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:00<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbeee '''05:02 <br /> :It's her favorite cookie. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:03<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Lacey Okay, here's the deal with the lacI Peterson lavender cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:24<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered--<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:26<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:28<br /> :--and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:36 <br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:37<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Anencephallic.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death. They would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:58<br /> :Oh. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbeee '''05:59 <br /> :-with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her--D-...hr killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent a--Connard! That's the kid's name--Ah 'C'. Yeah, Doug, you mix me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:23<br /> :How'd I do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:24<br /> You explained who Lacey Peterson was.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:25<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you, I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. We have a healthy lifestyle. So that kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:52<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:54<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:55<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though at least.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:01<br /> :Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000 Man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:13<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:16<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :long pork? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:22<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:22<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:24<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:34 <br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:35 <br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect and hate. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:43 <br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see Eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at. I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people no problem and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:06<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought 'Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism,' you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to...I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I...I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:42<br /> :Stalingrad. During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, There's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''08:54<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''08:54<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:00<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say 'oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.' And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'--Cabrini Green. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of Candyman, Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in 'C' the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''09:34 <br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:37<br /> :Oh, I'm getting spooked by C. Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects. And they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub. And they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:00<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:01<br /> And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the--<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :Now.<br /> <br /> '''Shan Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :--the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The-- <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:09<br /> The Historical Society?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:10<br /> :Historical Society. And you can...this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the real...keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not--. I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true. To the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :Waste not, want not <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:53<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:54<br /> :Chikatilo. Cannibal. See. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:56<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:57<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:01<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news and I was spray painting all over the town. Chikatilo, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:15<br /> :Communism. C. Chikatilo. C. Cannibalism. We are 'C motherfuckers'. CCCP.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:21<br /> :Pumping out all the C's.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:23<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner park before but that's D but they were cannibals.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Cannibals they...Cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane. And he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:10<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:20<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:21<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:22<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Cemetery. 'C.'<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:35<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:35<br /> My favorite 'C' is 'cunt' and I just love saying 'cunt'. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think Sex in the City and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six--Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a 'cunt-tree' in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever...Next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets. They had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:12<br /> :Oh that's right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''13:13<br /> :And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the C word was the way I said 'Oh the C's though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:35<br /> :You know, a book was put out called Cunt. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:41<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:46<br /> :All right, I mean, right. That's great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:49<br /> :When my dad was also--.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:50<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna-. Every time a 'C word is gonna come up, any word. You know, there was a book called 'demented eggs'. You know book--You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They don’t though, Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about...<br /> <br /> 14:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, they don’t!<br /> <br /> 14:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We’re talking coloreds at the letter c. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really black neighbor with a black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. 'Hey,' and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 yards to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''14:43<br /> :He was the white chap? C.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''14:44<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me 'Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. but us black--us niggas, As he said--niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy. And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and 'we don't eat pussy, motherfucker.' That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :when my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them 'crispy critters'. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:22<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her cornflakes--'C.'--and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about 'crispy critters'. 'C' again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore, of horror.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:51<br /> :I couldn't I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''15:56<br /> :You couldn't chow on that. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee ''''15:57<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it. Finally--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:01<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :No, I was I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''16:04<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''16:05<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''16:08<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time--Cockroaches. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement basement. It was like a half built basement. And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light--in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the whole wall was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the colored--cockroaches. All 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day. Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said colored the wrong way. Did I say 'nigger' and not 'nigga'? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:17<br /> :I burped. Excuse me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:18<br /> :Oh burped. B. That was last show Amy --but the wall moving---and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr-- and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:41<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''17:44<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:45<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:48<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:48<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:49<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them bolted.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:06<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:11<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:14<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat them too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:16<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for-. That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :You'd just snack. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:33<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:42<br /> :you'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:44<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:05<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:06<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:07<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:10<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. 'C', bitch. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:20<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:21<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:28<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. 'C'. Double 'C'. And the song is 'Come Down Here'. Another 'C'. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:36<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:36<br /> :I liked The Cocks better<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :RevCos great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''19:39<br /> :That starts with 'R'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:40<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:40<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:43<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :We're low on the 'R's, okay?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:52<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes and she took over. We did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, Record Player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes, Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:10<br /> :Come down here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:11<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow cunnilingus I got we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''20:20<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''20:23<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> '''[SONG PLAYS UNTIL 25:39] '''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:29<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for 'B'. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:24<br /> :All right. It's the Lacey Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's bound to have it. All right, 5/8th cup butter, a half cup sugar, one egg, a tablespoon of lavender flowers, one and a half cups all purpose flour. And sugar, powdered sugar. And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they gotta get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''27:41<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''27:43<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:45<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me--.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:47<br /> :It wasn't enough at least<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial, and you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. 'C' for condolence. This is the alphabet show the ABCs of filth, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evilnow.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :I'm Amy from whoreofhorror.com and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:26<br /> :And this is Doug from dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Doug Messner<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:32<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:46<br /> :We never even got to converts.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:48<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot Christians. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, Cunts, cocksuckers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:14<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story to.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:18<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''29:28<br /> :Oh I guess it is <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''29:29<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:32<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. I had a friend that gave me that today. Said hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs? Amy. I think in a past life was a Coke Whore. Because she's like, 'I'll take that motherfucker.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:50<br /> :I was never a coke whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:53<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for dickhead and dumb. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now we're just gonna start them out you know so we're gonna Amy a couple of seconds and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:13<br /> :Every day in my eyes all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 323<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved as children obey your parents<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:42<br /> :child is known by doings proverbs 2011 44. Season we'll talk about it so we don't lose<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:05<br /> :weight Psalm 3413<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Isaiah 4522 Block Mr. Boyd again done<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:42<br /> :thanks to the Lord for His good<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:49<br /> :alphabet not the Spirit First Thessalonians 519<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:01<br /> :First, okay, we're gonna stop that sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy. Hello, and Doug. Right? We're working on. It seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter this week or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows and play them. But this show is D. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows a b and c he missed Angel. Some good angel stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby story, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. who started last time. C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies A's and I think dog has to start. Oh, you're right. I forgot we have a dog and the D. No big headed dog is his technical nickname Ron. So<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it's so it's my letter. Yeah. God damn right. Well, I got GE Right. Right, right. Damn it. Damn right. So I got another highfalutin word like a head for a such a dick. But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :and believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I I have this in my head. Anyway. We don't What the fuck do you think we are? Why didn't consult a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You don't want later. We're going to have for AI. We're going to insert a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Anyways, defenestration is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt what is definitive what the faulted fenestration is when you jump out of a window, why can't you just say jump out of the window or crazy motherfucker? Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say, if you say one word he died of defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :Where did you find out about this ever say how people died in obituaries?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:34<br /> :But if you were gonna write an obituary,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :no, your eulogy? No, if you were gonna buy it, right obituary, where did you find out about this word though? really dug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. You know, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :know, Doug reads Dix, the dictionary Wally's.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:48<br /> :I know Dick But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:52<br /> :anyways, he steals a skull out of a crypt in France, and he crashes it to get out it was one of those. This is a story about your friend you Yeah, the drunken murderer jumped out of a window. Yeah, but and his defenestration? Yeah. But he had this skull. And then this is in France, he went to France, and he figured out like this skull, but it's crypt tour, so he has to crash it a fucking skull. You know? As you know, they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:22<br /> :And this is a drunk. Yeah, that's the drunk we drew on his D for dry. We drew on his face with markers when he passed out and he's a total dick. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the Spanish defender.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Anyways, he got roaring drunk that night in France. What a dick. And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two story window.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :And where's he from? Detroit. Wow, he's got the four DS going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with Dick drunk the Federation Detroit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:02<br /> :Alright, and right. I tuned from Detroit. So it stands to reason. Yeah. Doug from Detroit. Yeah, it's everybody's fall as they say it is. Detroit. Oh, fuck yeah. I was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. Full Swing. Oh, no, they burn they burn that city down every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons one, but you were just telling me I didn't even hear the news. Nine people got shot.<br /> <br /> ’’’Shane Bugbee  '''06:34<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:40<br /> :Yeah, it was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:43<br /> :Eight years ago, huh? It was a you know what I mean? He was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit. That was shit that was on fire. And it wasn't no devils night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something is fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :Or she was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be nothing left to burn in this fog? And it's not just devils night. Oh, no. Is it like arson capital? It's where it's at. I mean, but sometimes I've heard different stories I've heard sometimes it's people collecting. I don't know, like the landlord protect, you know, collecting property value somehow by burning this place down, or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shed on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:38<br /> :Hey, I saw the m&amp;m Eight Mile movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:44<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:51<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the colored<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> :place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Bucket is your carpet vomit and start again.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :What's your D word? Ami or D you got a neat thing to throw out there D<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :def drugs Doom and Dennis doll?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:09<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over drugs with addiction. So why don't you do death? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website horror of horror.com There's some really fucked ups that Amy's tales of woe on there are some really fucked up stories and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, or the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shifts that she's in the real Amy lives in the real man and now is Charlie's I say in the real All right, motherfucker, don't correct me. corrections on see it's the real, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay. Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped down to the brains popped out of the top.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:28<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex boyfriend? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how bigger friends are what they do. They better kill me. I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:49<br /> :right you know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book dead people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :used to know great store. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea because Oh, I know it's gonna get stolen now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:02<br /> :I think people know enough dead people to fill a book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :The lie. It's some current like Jim go to listen to his still dead people I used to know, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that see for Kant.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:15<br /> :Oh, I gotta get one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :story I'm sorry to interrupt dead people. I used to know that's a book Amy's going to work on. And that's a great working on it. Yeah, right. She's worked. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top my head?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple 100 I probably know quite a few.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :A couple 100 is exaggeration. Okay. 100. I mean, Amy does know how many how many of your girlfriend's have ended up in the lake over here? A couple, two or three right couple? Yeah. And hopefully shit. No shipment will read a paper story. There'll be some of the news. There was a girl that have been late game because I bet that's one of my friends. And sure shit. It is. This is the killing fields out here. That's Cal city, the Calumet region. So talk to me. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Well, we recently Shane had a friend over from serial killer Central. And we were taught case central case central.com Joe, and we were talking about serial killers in this area. And there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid. I knew this family, the Knicks edge family. In fact, I dated the youngest nixes in junior high, but the oldest one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew peewee who was like this hat guy who never went to school ever in his entire life. I think he dropped out in second grade. And he owed Eddie Nick's edge and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Nick's edge his friend and his friends dad, kill, PeeWee and the guy he's with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, hey, how you doing? They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend who is this now the dead front is peewee peewee graves. fitting name, huh?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest graves. This is real names. Everybody. I always knew him as peewee and when they got caught, of course, you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk. Of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight eight girls and dumped him in Powder Horn Lake so he turned out to be a serial killer for hot up.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:59<br /> :Death. So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed not<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :I need two of them. I knew Eddie Nick's edge one of the killers. And I knew peewee the Kili as it were.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:11<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:17<br /> :That's funny deal. You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for that one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:25<br /> :I know you put a dirty sanchez on both of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths I saw I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was you know, Oh, really. As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I poke at the eye. You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face I'd like poke the cheek. And I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it crapped it all cracked apart. And I ran I run up the stairs<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :on run Krakow like the makeup coming right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like oh my god, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and I'll talk more about the funeral home and if in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the makeup. It was so much makeup caked on there. That That cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My ankles like what happened Who taught you know did that? And you know, I said I ran into him with a flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and When it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover the reader and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever they call my parents say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's I can't top Amy's death stories<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :with you. There's death D. Dana Plato.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:19<br /> :Yeah, Dana, why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:24<br /> :why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:26<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that book and CD I did. And I left it behind. That's why I did that book. And CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking 10s of 1000s of dollars from extra and the National Enquirer and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job. So when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question. It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to be friend, someone. And then. And then I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had. She started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her and she really wanted to live that life. And she's full of that and had potential to do something cool. And do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life. So I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? No, I want to know about that. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never I didn't really know her I didn't you know, I don't know what she I've never seen anything she was in or<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:21<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, I'm a little older than you I grew up watching Dana played on TV and she was about probably a little older than older than me. But she was different strokes, different strokes. And I'd seen that it was like a pre pre pubescent type of AD D different strokes, right? It was a pre pubescent type of love affair TV love affair. I think I whacked off to her one of the first whack apps I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring it up to Chicago to get her top off on the internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book a Coffee Table Book of Memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :well. There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato. No, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in her butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger? Your own ass and then smeared across her upper lip? Or doesn't matter?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:45<br /> :Are you asking me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:46<br /> :I'm asking you I thought I remembered he Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that. I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a prostate rub once in a while has nothing to do with human oleation degradation, degradation or you know gross.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Can you imagine the mixed drink dirty Santa?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:09<br /> :I would imagine a dirty sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:15<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:22<br /> :On a or some further back and yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. Yeah, you know serve and protect man you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rub it on your nose.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:39<br /> :Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :What song we play an AMI. You gave me a song here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :What is it? Dye wars.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any venom in the mix? All right, well, DJ I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say dye wars all you know and just<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:00<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another D song for E because I got nothing for E Eazy E. Oh there we<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :go easy motherfucking e e that's what I got when I look flip on page e it says ed the creep and E easy motherfucking E and of course my favorite subject Eagle die wars a good song I think right Alright, enjoy the song kiddo.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:31<br /> :This is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:49<br /> :Matt<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:43<br /> :You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:45<br /> :song ended pretty abruptly. Let's go were that was Chris Connolly was or no. They sound the fucking same to me gay and Doug loves them and that the letter is D and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter. You<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:09<br /> :know what I wanted to ask you to? I don't know if you'd be covered the fucking door you had a story somebody's trying to bust down your door<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:20<br /> :we'll use that for another one break in a robbery or something like that break. I was gonna say dad, but I can't I don't know the door. I'll go door fucking door. Amy. You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door. Remember? You guys Doug. What did that talk about? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home and the fucking asshole can't dirtiest pot dirty D a dickhead politicians. They don't do anything here anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. i Come on, talk to Amy about it. And she says Oh yeah, the guy was creepy. You know he's over here over there. I shut the door lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuck and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the goggle the fuck do you need? And he goes oh, you know like he was I was looking for some kids. He walks away while I call the fucking cops Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond dickhead cop cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like Rodney fucking King. It was it was great to see because the Asheville tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass and the guy fought back a lot. So there's the door story. How do you like that door? They're in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:05<br /> :good for the winter. Oh, yeah. Well,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:08<br /> :I have a hole in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat her I wonder why I got a walk in case in pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom. And then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. So you get this breeze from the doors. Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D boring. I wanted to say dad, or my brother Derek or the one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up my real like my father was my father but my dad was Steve Dahl. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a doll.com D H L you'll see. He's the guy who did oh, Disco Demolition. He's the guy who did that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager. 10 years or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco record. Disco sucks disco suck. So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco. And he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there everyone's smoking weed and he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man known as a DJ but he's nationally known and rare. Wango Tango is playing right and Ted Nugent big speakers. And they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil now.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy horn horror of horror.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:33<br /> :Doug just genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked we'll be playing some Eazy E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:40<br /> :no more industrial music till P<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life Amy. Horror horror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==EAZY-E - Real Muthaphuckkin G's==<br /> 17:36<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''[singer]  '''00:00<br /> A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z<br /> Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:21<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah maybe Cs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth. Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug interjects: E) Oh, I guess (Amy: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter E. And now we're on F. And this is a show what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with fat. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about, was good conversation. Amy, F, What do you have for F, I have I have my man Farrakhan. Fat of course, that's, that's my middle name. Fucked up - I like to get, and failure. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising. I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:27<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:29<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:38<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:46<br /> Would that be a Feud?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like &quot;leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:58<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit and there's no reason - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:08<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug: All right), isn't that it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:35<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, you would cum inside the ass and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :That well. I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turnon to people.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing Clerks where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, what's a snowball? It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, oh, dude you've done that? You know, it's it was in Clerks. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:37<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:45<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night Bully, and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says Son, I have an electronics store for you and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:13<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:15<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:17<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:24<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:28<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right, that would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:45<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whoreofhorror.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:04<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whoreofhorror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here and I'm Shane, evilnow.com Among other things, Michael, mikehuntsonfire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:54<br /> :Not much good. (Shane: Not much good?)<br /> I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat food force fiends fuck factories fist fire and fill.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced either/or.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:16<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:21<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:58<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policeman had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her and I mean it's a closet you know, you would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:35<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Yaknow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire/fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie Backdraft once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:46<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:51<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like God, what the fuck is this? You know, and Amy's like, Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends. And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke crazy. Crazy man crazy. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:29<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:34<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist, they think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says well, he's probably a fireman. You know...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:03<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old old news.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:16<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:22<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about food and fat these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have, not an addiction but as a definitely comfort. I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and good food I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :We actually have two. Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:38<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:42<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing..?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:02<br /> :Right...mic Ben?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:04<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:09<br /> :So if it was Mike, Pat and Faith No More who'd been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :Carl McCoy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:06<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :number eight, For Her Light. F.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:12<br /> :Oh look at you. For Her Light.<br /> <br /> ''[Fields of the Nephilim - For Her Light plays]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:15<br /> :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :D F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W x, n, Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L, M, N, q, r s and t, v, w, x and y and z have had V all our way. Now we learn a, b c<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:58<br /> :now we<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :see Don't fucking Hey, Doug. Yeah, we're on now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. Yeah, you could sip your soda pop, when?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones. And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only I always say is what we call this yester, the ABCs of hate or filth and the alphabet show and it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say the letter G we start talking about and trying to tell stories and trying to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to so we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Lee G to G for I don't know, for Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck the shittiest shithole. Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good place.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit thinks they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills closed down steel mills,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :and whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talk and Amy, tell us about Gary. Gary's your GE.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my GE.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for GE last night? Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the GS or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Yes. Gag gaggle. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the g spot so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :If I found it, course, really? Of course.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :You'd still be married. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :If I found it or not,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :you told me you should be told these things. You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :talked about it in detail. I thought we did. Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed a me without me. And what is that with green? G smoke the green? My dad?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed. Oh, Gregory<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Reed. We pray we do we have his phone number.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self appointed expert in a cult crime. fuckface Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal will start dialing murdering 1000s That year, second one there. And we call them the other day and we're calling them on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad you might. You might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day. Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the suppose it Satanists this satanic cartel, as he called it, and we call his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? You're doing<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. No, I have reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with RCC see himself a doctor. He's not a doctor, and we found out he's a painter.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :Thank you. message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stuckey on. Location, my number is 219931.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello. Alright, keep talking please, dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregor Reid and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow up response was to her follow up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly. Here's what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reid. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to what's wrong, Doug? I know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's no pad. It sounds good flying out your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound? Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> :it sound good. Gregory read them. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying I can tell by your tone, where this is going. And I had no tone really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole. When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he He lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or 10 books that that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. It's you and he's a doctor. Yeah, according to his daughter and he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :well, you named two after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bonk and another one was just a common book called bookshop staple called Black Magic by Kevin dish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic cartel. Gregory reads<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :barely a G so let's get on with the G for garbage. Anything else? Come on? It's boring. GGL and GGL. And now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggest door for D and Gregory read for G Gregory Reed being boring and falling asleep here. GGL and that's cool. Where's my jeep? Did we ever find a Ggm city? No, we<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :never did. We found the case but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that men are being dip in pretended ship. Yeah, go get the beans. Yeah, well, gee, Jalen was great. I did the GGL and I got a G. Jalen story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allen storage one about when you used to write to him and talk to him. Yeah, so I used<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :to write to GGL and longtime guys through a zine and GGL and we are corresponding before he went to prison and after he went to prison you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the ggsN manifesto, I think it's called G Jalan mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine naked aggression. Originally, the met his mission statement, and the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about his people. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me they want to get the day you want to hang out and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking Burn, baby burn and I I just remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show they had, he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out and I said, Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man. It's good to him, right? Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark facula, Hayner. And fabulous was real name, too. And he had toured with GGL and did a video did some video, Gigi Allen. And he talked about the time his it was funny, he thought, because why I hung out with GDLs. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me, and I go, Well, tell me about it. He's like, dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off and eat his pants off. Ggm was naked with a hard on fuck and trying to rate Mark Haner and it was really fun. Like, what happened? Mark and he looked, he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes, you know, they don't look in the eye marks like well, I got out of their course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room. To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hall or something like, like, I think there was more than I think his pants may have came down man and say actually raped him? Because he did follow through with the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :well, maybe you do, though. I mean, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think Gigi wasn't actually a big guy was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :crazy fucking skinny Fox like you got to worry about because they got nothing. They just go crazy. It's called retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rate me. Rob, wouldn't you? Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retired strength. I think GGL and had retired strength from the get go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retired strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. I want this. But he is a hasn't showered for days. That's torn between two lovers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :Like a full it's all fun and games. Still somebody started throwing shit,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Here. All right. I remember him touring and thinking that might not be the show to attend.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Gege. Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :Jalen. Or George or George Michael? Didn't the<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Secret Service visit you because of GG Allen?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Story. That's why I asked which one I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay. So I got the I Am. I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a secret service. And it was after GGL and wrote the mission statement for naked aggression. He had also come up with a single I think on the other one, but he has a single called kill the president. And it is it was like kill the president fuck the<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :pig. Hey, that's a it's quite a concept. Right? Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the secret service comes there to question me. And it was wild why it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black they had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. A cop is trunk often and it's before home computers now I'm talking this is before the big home computer explosion This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this there was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family burden that they had the shit right there and I was like, you know, it was it was it was there the tours that the tools will take you down right? But<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta make netic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :that's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like National ID cards like they're used for now use but they're not you know, used to identify it was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you Due to law enforcement<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right. Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving you get pulled over you don't have any form of ID over a certain age I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you check I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening my Greek wedding? I loved it my Fat Greek Wedding I'm fat man. I love ask why Greek as an ass, but I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was malefactors of digging in each other's asses marriage and religious thought The fucker like mad. I think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle their friends. What was the definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle their friends<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :wide<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :gopher hole and ever hear it go for home again a gopher hole and it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know your gopher hole. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole year gopher hole on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :the Urban Dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:51<br /> :And another of your entries in the urban dictionary. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :didn't in fact I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Sunday 1000 years all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be dubbed<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :gastronomically? I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :We're talking about baking soda. Baking soda whoever use baking soda and warm water,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :warm water, warm water<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :you mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like I said warm<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:47<br /> :warm warm, warm southern<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :Gary Indiana accent<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :but baking soda and warm water will help my gas like better than everything and you know who will agree with me on this. We hit it off famously after we said we both you guys talking to James<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :on the phone nobody noticed the a guest yesterday<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James always brother had had we we got a lot of famous after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :partners was that it was a common Yeah, it was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man he was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James always funeral. You know if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to write down and regret not doing that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died I call his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy accused of shooting because I really didn't think he was asked before.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother. And they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :For hours about me, I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about Gee,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :are you brought up games or alrea? I know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :you I think really? Yes. I don't<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :know James Roy. Do you remember the story Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :brought up Gabe and she was looking at me. And I just didn't go that's it. Why do you why do you think gay guy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :I don't know. It must be the club thing. Yeah. And the butterflies discussions, the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :butterflies discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :you know, it was some guy<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :you know it was you know They said it was a mistake but somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something was the good one. The nugget that's for bringing<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :the fucking showdown<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:15<br /> :cheating charge in the green.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:19<br /> :So you're more fuckable and I don't mean in the physical right? I could fuck with you more in your store. I see. Yeah, we want to play a song. Or we're not playing which would undress but we have a choice from here's some GGR and this is after CD freaks baguettes drunks and junkies my revenge Yeah, we can play my revenge. Dope money. Be my fucking whore. Suck my acid smells. dog shit. Wild writing<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :place suck my acid smells and honor Abba. Mark gainers near<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:01<br /> :Because you see, it's about a friend of mine. He's from Detroit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. He's crazy. Why? If you dare him to do something he'll do it provided the money's right. Jesus Christ. I remember the time was in this pet store. We met him at Dollar. He wouldn't met the heads off on them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he beat the head off. Ah, one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw. I said Jay, you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life. He said that so Kay I'm $3 richer to NAS all those important to him. Ale I remember one time at this party, and we dared him to pee in the Punchbowl. He did it. CJ can be a real ass Oh sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him. Because he could pee right on cue. Are you believing they ship? Cars if not you kiss my ass. I Guaran damn tee you is true<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:50<br /> :remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had VD for $10 He said hell if you double your money. I'll make love to her brother. He would have done it do except we didn't have $20 playing the six. Now why Jay did this year I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got zero. This has been<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :done, Doug. Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this alphabet show. I play Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:38<br /> :That man is not funny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:40<br /> :and it's really stupid. Oh really. But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put ABC at alphabet and then whatever. But this is the ABCs of the alphabet or the alphabet of ABCs or the ABCs of filth and or the alphabet show whatever we don't really have a name it's a concept and all our topic is all we do is start this half hour internet talk show with the a letter and this week or not this week but this show is the letter H don't look at my age his motherfucking jerky change your<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:16<br /> :cheater hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :god dude don't talk about my name on the weekends don't ever tell people that you call me I'm fucking Saturdays again. The you know the mics are on duck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:29<br /> :Okay, well there's right okay good well your stage now go away.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Carl. Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :it's one Doug shaved my chest<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:40<br /> :all right actually there's debate as to what a proper hot Carl is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:43<br /> :what is a hot car and why are you all into the film stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You do have a hot girl pin no I have holiday Sanchez<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :it's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words from my own fucking pins and I don't like it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :all right, go ahead. You talked about you talked about your hot Carl what is how do you give a hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :listen I am i Car know what is hot car<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :what hot Carl's a scat sex act it's got to do a shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:12<br /> :with you dude.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :peppers. See that's the debate the debate is some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a Cleveland steamer. Or as other people say a hot Carl is is got. Anyway you caught it. Somebody's taking the shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. And then this is a letter H for Hi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:41<br /> :I'm sorry, Doug. Well, okay, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :want to hit me? No, no getting mad interrupting you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Carl. Now it's when you other people say it's when you leave and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. No, I'm leaving tomorrow. You know what The train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment and no one would own up to it. They all blame the dog.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot car. Oh, poor form that you didn't Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:18<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill and it was a second storey apartment. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :that's that's hot. As Paris Hilton Nicole Richards say that's hot.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :I should have neighbor's doorstep before really I lived in like this apartment complex one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings that I was working late night shifts and this person playing music very loud all day and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6am You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:47<br /> :I don't understand where you beat it on the wall just on a different time. Or did you be on a wall because they played well because they're playing music.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :Music<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. Couple.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:01<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I showed on their doorstep and the loud music did stop I think they put two and two together. And what was funny is it was kind of hard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:12<br /> train horn rage. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit and anybody could have driven by and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :saw tissue or anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:25<br /> :I took a few with me and then I finished the job when I you know, I wasn't I guess I wasn't. I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the US tissue on the door. Also there would have been there would have been a distinct message to it. I should have written on him beforehand. Fuck you, you know and stuck them. Why did you deal with ah, we went from hot Karl.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :I know you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I dug Carl dog I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :I don't need to be analyzed<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:58<br /> :shit taught coming from a dog though who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:05<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of hot coffee hot. Ah, I know that's not the good age like hot Cairo but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to hear this. I'm going to try to get as high as Amy but I don't know if that can ever be achieved from the hookah from the hookah. Doug's disgusted from the hookah dug straight edge freaks dug straight and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubble<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:32<br /> :dad like everybody getting higher on me. It's cool.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:36<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. We missed that for gas where I would have<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was that a busted Daisy? We learned yesterday.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the shit and Angel stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not you know, I know that sounds like you know, Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your eyes. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time I think you have you know that? You know the frozen hotdogs story and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:07<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog every high school. This is ah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :we need some eight stories. Amy What are your H words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:17<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have highpass accuracy home in Hammond homes and home.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :I love it. Well, what do you want to you want to you want to say Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:31<br /> :HH Holmes. That's Triple H.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:33<br /> :Zack was thicker him. Welcome.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :Say that guy is 100 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some kids. Or something to go further. Some goals out there. To 300 dead. Ah, ah, anything else? Your horror, horror of horror. Speak up. Let's hear a story about horrors or something from the horror. Well, we<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:59<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:00<br /> :So watched had had<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:02<br /> :the monkeys had the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:05<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. Yeah, never<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:09<br /> :seen the monkey's head dog. Just watch the tape. And this was the first time you've seen a dog. Give an honest review min.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:16<br /> :Ted I thought it was I Well, I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what year it was. But it seems well. Well, well before it's time. It seems like you know something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant garde. It kind of you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways seems like it's going somewhere if you walk away if you like you're gonna miss something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:43<br /> :sort of like the theme song that they have there. Just when you thought it over the beginning might begin or something like that, that should be saw. And so did you have any respect for the beetle or monkeys? Oh, bad note beetle. Oh my god. I'm a monkey's fan too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:58<br /> :Well, before I saw it, you Before you start, what<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :do you think of the Monkees?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :No, I always thought what I heard of them that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles some What do you think after you saw that? Yeah, they they obviously weren't, they obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot, at least the image that they were portraying before that a lot, you know, like I what I made of the in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned and know how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:40<br /> :For age, I do my duty dog do you do yours?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like sub stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :I like had in more than one way Oh, it was found about getting head is that and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head what? That's in No, we're talking about head and I'm comparing the two I used to really love head but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis. And I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feel and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel it would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think I wouldn't I will never know that but I really wish I could see my parents and I you know, but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of hate and filth in the alphabet show that we're doing here. Which is I'm Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:46<br /> :And I'm Doug. And I'm Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:49<br /> :and I run evil now.com Among other things, my content feiyr.com Three Ring radio.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:55<br /> :and I own the domain name dis genex.com Well, actually, oh, that explorer. Yeah, there's something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:02<br /> :can we well, we live in Hammond, Indiana on Holman on home and if you ever have ever seen the Christmas story that's home in Indiana, which is really Hammond Indiana, he just changed the street name and stuff. And he being Jean Shepherd. But Amy, any Hammond stories Hammond where we live we're broadcasting now is where A Christmas Story The movie is written about this is this is this is the area.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, summer story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good to that Phantom of the open her<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:40<br /> :heart was Matt Dillon. Middelen<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:43<br /> :you're cowboy. You don't know who Matt Dillon is? We are old. I think Amy like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking into Mama's womb or something. His ball sack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:56<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen drugstore cowboy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :Have you ever seen the outsiders? No,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:05<br /> :there was no there was like what Junior High girls like I thought was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :wrong. No, it's a good it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior. I grew like to say I'm a fucking hit. Yeah. Ah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:16<br /> :For hit you ever seen over the edge? That's a great movie. It's like his first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Yeah, over the edge is fucking snow or cold man. Really? He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:28<br /> :Sorry, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> I'm trying to think of a recent movie. He's been in<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :high school. Ah, I bet you we all have good high school story. Oh, fuck, but we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play High on Fire. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:42<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:51<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:55<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion, ‘cause that would make it go over there...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :For Zion, or from Zion?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :From Zion.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it, How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the only one that didn't get picked<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :as a good we'll just play the whole city and forget the fuck the show. will play. Is that one,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :one. Let's start with one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :Cool, high on fire. And let me let me let your kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing to a demo before this was not released. So you hear an unreleased high on fire. You You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug the story about high end fire. Let me hear okay, so high in fire they play this expo they're great great music musicians and Doug you've never heard high in fire right? Never. So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal this and so I have to explain to him how God like high on fire is so high on fire. They write this album called Jerusalem, this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song it's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great job. But it doesn't impress you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :I'd have to hear it I guess. I mean, but isn't that cool? That is cool. I can see an album like that being good. Well, you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:28<br /> :gonna hear some high on fire right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:29<br /> :Well, that's one of the that was sleep though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :Yeah, that was sleep. That was a bad sleep. That's a different band. But<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :Pike is like the leader of med pikes like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:39<br /> :a rock out he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit man he'll you know in the history annals of metal or rock and roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players and you're in do the faggy skinny puppy type stuff which Amy said the thing about skinny puppy is the bad thing about skinny puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:02<br /> :And I proved heterosexual and it's right at the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :maybe that's why you felt so strongly about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards and desert.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:58<br /> :Right<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:00<br /> :All right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :My son,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:18<br /> :same was what was that Amy? Matt pike from high on fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:28<br /> :So the turtle told him what his name was.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:31<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtles name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes and about a half an hour later, he said, your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:51<br /> :Myrtle of all things turtle ever said. Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:58<br /> :I don't know. It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:02<br /> :All right. I don't I don't doubt that it's name is murder. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:06<br /> :Absolutely done. He<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :was right. Then he was right. Heil. Yep, true. And in there. Hi. Oh, John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:17<br /> :Heil. Heil, Hitler.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:20<br /> :I couldn't think of another he just couldn't do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:24<br /> :It's such an obvious one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :You guys didn't have it? No. Are you? Are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? That's so obvious. Typical. Typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising. I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't an AMI? Not surprising? No, but what do you say to me?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:45<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:50<br /> :It's on my list. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:51<br /> :else is on your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:52<br /> :Hi. Like I was getting at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:04<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept What do you did with every, every time I leave class, he take the history book, which was the thickest book. And he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And it's so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damage as you can tell today. I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears. And so one time I took a belt and wrapped around books. Something like one of my father my uncle would say that said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :I want slit at pep assembly on fire and I did not get expelled for all those people. I used to get in trouble for most everything I did and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because it Caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. This thing went up. And I thought, oh shit, it's all over. But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. You never got caught the most amazing thing I never got caught for but speaking out whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a in my high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:27<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing Hitler use songs. It's fine. It's good March there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Maybe it can tell us. In high school. I used to have a swim class first hour. And this was when I was like, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :he's like saying that because I get high. And then I in high school. I always if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls. Yes, I'm stuck in the 80s all day. And you could just say I had a swimming class first period and Cory<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:58<br /> :major bloodshot, right? Yeah. But anyways, I didn't do that. But we had the stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office and then we're all supposed to not get in the pool. Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance which was US lining up and calling off number. Every fucking morning we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:19<br /> :That's like saying nigger for black guy. You can use a real time.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :Pleasant, Pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said it but it happened every single morning. They were so stupid. High school was all provoking people in getting in fights High School<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:57<br /> :was all about getting high.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high not going.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:04<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So then I went back because I got well, I got housed. Let's put it that way. I got a house for a month and a half in a county jail. And residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because that was absolutely the way different experience because it was a different school, right? No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so serious after that. We'll come back to school and they're just fucking kids and they're just fucking off talking about garbage. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids and I did not feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into you know, they make it hard to get a job you know you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know just because you don't want to go to school as a bad person in jail sounds<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:10<br /> :like a great resource for our kids.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:13<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson I walked the line but I don't think I'm absolutely will not that was a factor definitely experienced and I felt that came out of there Catherine sober person said you do that there's repercussions for what you do. And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers that play with other fucking people to problem every situation you're in six weeks in jail during that time I broke I had my pinky broken tried to punch someone I'm not much of a fiber and hit the concrete wall and my pinky because the guy was stealing my food and as a fat fuck not a fight No. Fucking Mike Tyson takes myself and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :eats your whole D<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:01<br /> :habit to fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:04<br /> :He broke him in jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:06<br /> :I broke my own Pinky. Yes. came out I was in the cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, Pinky with a gay father. It's honestly 26 seconds hermaphrodite the ABC show next week is what letter comes after h i i Da Doug Amy shamed by evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:35<br /> :dis genex.com for more.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:37<br /> :See you next week I this was h ABCs.<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the eye show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> ':''Shane Bugbee  '''06:44<br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :and I have respect for ancient history and archaeology but I would say make the fucking holy land to crater a radioactive waste and then tell them go to town it's all yours all you so let's go ahead pocket Solomon's temple gives a shit it's just it's gone to fucking fire it's gone to fucking fire exactly fence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :off the whole country and it can only be for tourists you know no one can live there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:01<br /> :Yeah free zone un whatever Martial Law No, no, no it was asshole should be there. If people really aren't you have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with churches churches or terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document and it's stupid.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:27<br /> :They've night the church<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :we need to ignite some churches here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptist it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the you know, like a dome.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :That's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like what eight tracks and then do another CD exactly. I thought it would have been cool<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't more Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing today<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :we're doing the alphabet we're starting each show with a letter and just going. That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme we bring up a letter first word comes to mind and we discuss this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black negros and sit and talk about<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:34<br /> :rotund. Yeah. Would I use that for the sauce<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:38<br /> :inflated for?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:40<br /> :Oh god? worse, worse than fat inflated. But like the five big flat fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:49<br /> :Big? I think it's five big, big inflated negros that discuss things on a show. Oh, no, there's some morning show. Yeah, nevermind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Is it the view?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:01<br /> :I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:02<br /> :Are they all negros? I think so. Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :She's a negro. Exactly. She's some No Oh, she's a she's in that word it she's a network nigger, is what she is right. She was paid one time she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity now Feds not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. Exactly. You know, she talked to him and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered nice man he is and everything else and the guys making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into everybody knew that smoking was bad for you. And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that you set a bad precedent you should be stopped, had been lying. It would have been different story or killed. Right? What were they lying about on medical records? Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that. It's up to them. Right when they lie about it. That's a whole different story. Same<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid. Tune<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:46<br /> :in for the last five minutes or 10 minutes of the F show. And you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:01<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called gardone Riviera. And that's where Gabriel dnn Zeos house was most people don't know who Gabriel de Nunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet, Italian I, yeah, Italy. So we went over that I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else and the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, di Nunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfeld's colons dicks and bushes, but anyways, he lost an eye in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers the black shirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the original Blackshirts. Those were the original fascists, and Mussolini aligned themselves with him in them in when he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about him. Do you Nunzio didn't like Mussolini, you saying you say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot for AI. And so when Mussolini came to power, right? dnn zo was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home and being that he spent their money like it was going out of style. It was beautiful. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room. I was bad was like a car and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :love that I've always wanted. And it's funny. You say that I've always wanted to have themed rooms,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :and he had one where the the theme was discovered hand there's hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was he was great.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:26<br /> :Well, I'll see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a que no J No. Que je evil now.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:38<br /> :TV is god.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:40<br /> :dis genex.com Only one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:41<br /> :That's because of his addiction. A show addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :because it sure has been a long day. But there's<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What is that?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:10<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E, F G, hey, Jai i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u v, w x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:38<br /> :very nice big bed<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :last night I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:48<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah bah black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the Dane. One plus one is two that's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three that three bags of war Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir three bags<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:29<br /> :myself about you how do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie that was beautiful yes let's all sing<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:28<br /> :tiny bit see which way to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:41<br /> :tween playing golf<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:58<br /> :well Good night everybody<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:15<br /> :Amy How you doing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:17<br /> :I’m doing just fine. am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:24<br /> :The alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from three ring radio and from dis genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:35<br /> :Not here<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :and the great artists from Midas write to that stock thank you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:42<br /> :not really from my knees ready really attached himself to something that was already moved and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned was such a great book. I still can't figure it out soon<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:52<br /> :to be a great artist for more than just soon to be exactly known just for minus right. And Shane got what? How many websites? No no evil now club. Hey, my icons on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what I'll say me if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:23<br /> :don't want to overlook any you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there. Sometimes. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:31<br /> :And then I do TV is God and the horror of horror or horror of horror.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :We better get the horror of horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get your fucking us your fucking us<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :alphabet show and today's letters what?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :By the letter K?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:53<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K K K.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :K K and you know we played some chahti rebel, but now we have an excuse to play caging Klu Klux Klan if we wanted to excellent Do you have any k songs and Avi?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :I got karma to burn, but I think we could hear some. Some more Johnny ribelle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :more of the trip. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that better veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Well, that's just PCP that they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably the similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, it's just got to be PCP because that's what PCP is is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:41<br /> :I’m pretty special. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :I love peas. I don't know. I've never done like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:57<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:02<br /> :bites the bumper leaves his teeth barking it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:05<br /> :gets shot five times and runs out a guy and rips his hat off his bare hands. Was there a PCP?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:10<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember I smoked pick PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man did the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this in this court,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:29<br /> :you know Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. So easy listening to and playing and slugging or smiling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:42<br /> :something like fucking eyes, the eyes board or something like that, you know, crazy train or something naughty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:49<br /> :it carefully guys with their eyes like wide open just to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking like three weeks. And I know there was a big right everyone know, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot breakout. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PC.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:26<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:30<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not we couldn't run away. I think it was we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCB.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :I guess the real scary power this guy we're holding hands. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like I know some we look at each other's hands go. Oh, it didn't scare us the right didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:02<br /> :for K. Well, I was PCP. Similar different to crystal meth.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :Oh, math is an upper math is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. Forget it. I cannot forget it. You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommended institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :I thought PCP was an<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :upper. No, no, no, no, like a hallucinate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have an extra adrenaline. Okay, but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say it animal tranquilizer. Okay, Crystal Meth is an upper like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. It was fun. She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm trying to do your opposite Yeah, I'm an AMI is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, God do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:49<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive a murder somebody<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what you know just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and I can't kill you know it's it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:19<br /> :I don't know I think about I think about murder a lot<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:21<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. Which one I don't know you were saying how nice it was before Duggan or rupt but it's not murder it's que Conte for Kill Kill HiLine killing with an AI n not n ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:44<br /> :but driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving me Shane and Mike Diana and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. We were on TV. We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were gone. Or as for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:31<br /> :And now I did say you would kill on crystal meth kill and K ABC show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch or we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck you you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:05<br /> :I might know might<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :I think so. We gotta close scary yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:08<br /> :Sometimes you're afraid of yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :Admit it. You have personnel. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:13<br /> :remember one time I was just at a I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for we were walking around at night, Paul. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:21<br /> :there comes the hall. Joe. That comes the whole Joe. Oh, here comes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:28<br /> :we're walking around this jewel. Here's the cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out. Did you ever it's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:42<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's Hall?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:44<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :I can get old Joe.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:50<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:53<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical Are we are we talking like no law? Are we talking like just what I'd want to do or what I could know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :Right now what would you do you think would be the<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :most enjoyable doing something<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''13:07<br /> :with my bare hands is bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just to the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wide of skin and you know, crushed bone. It's a good<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:19<br /> :Yeah, I think that's bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :but there's laws you're saying Did she say most fun that's what you do.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I do. In respect to the law I would use poison Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:35<br /> :And I would enjoy poison kill anyone I think about killing myself and I think poison would be it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have you know if you know they have to choke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:45<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:53<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. It's true. I don't want Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture hard to detect. You know, they talk all about rice and now is a terrible tool. But inside<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :and North South Carolina. Their their their Bush their state Bush is a leaf that's poison and if you dried it out and made it duty it we could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. What tour? We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:30<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:33<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:40<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Racing comes from just from Castor beans. It's not hard. It's like you know, it's a it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:52<br /> :where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:54<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own rice and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :then what do you do with rice and beans? Rice and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :you put it in some ways food or you make content it's one of the it's one of the most potent poisons What do you do with it Doug? I don't do anything with it tell<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:10<br /> :People people could do that. And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is it's it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and started to do to prolong death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenic and they die. coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on and people like to acknowledge you know, oh yeah, I think it happens a lot<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :if it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay or<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:45<br /> :basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital I think there's something going on<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:52<br /> :oh my god told me about that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:53<br /> :I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:57<br /> :Oh really? Yes. Watch back<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :well, well you can is character flaw with a K now that's a C<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:10<br /> :that's fine. But botulinum spores you can make put your own botulism people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:20<br /> :Columbine?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:21<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't I'm not very Columbine savvy. Klebold which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:30<br /> :they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:33<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like just like one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :entity doesn't really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:42<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:46<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have. I think Amy's favorite is clay bald.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:51<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. Why? I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, it looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :Okay. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:02<br /> :Okay, I get it. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:04<br /> :can't figure out I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:11<br /> :You're looking at their unit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :I look at them as a<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :unit. Alright. So Weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:21<br /> :No. We were talking about the Klu Klux Klan. Okay. Amy was talking about cakes during the you know, we're off there for K<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K word.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :I think you said fucking kill the cakes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:35<br /> :What does coke mean to you? Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:39<br /> :Go fly cake. Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:41<br /> :Katie's tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Yes. Just do it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:50<br /> :I don't have any good kk k stories. I know. I gotta say I've never met anybody in the kk k.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:55<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over Andy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:07<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:08<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me. I guess so as long as you let me live through my miserable life that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:17<br /> :And his wife for over? They're both active members in the clan. Yeah, and they<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:21<br /> :were cool. We watched what do we watch with them? We're watching the movies or do we just hang out? And watch bumfights? Oh, that's right here we went it bumfights and they discussed it or the wife looked disgusted by it but they weren't you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he was listen I'm talking past tense was a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the client seems that you know Christians in the clan I part ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:50<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the clan do?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:54<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups that's from the ACLU to pee to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :I tried fucking tried.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:29<br /> :Why can't you get over you could have got over there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:31<br /> :I was there I guess you can't get a job over there now. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:35<br /> :I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry software. I get over 30 Fucking I'll be over there bed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:42<br /> :I was I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. Yeah, I don't have any friends over there. Tried to talk Amy to move into Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:54<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:57<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck I can't handle these kinds of politics carry Bush Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have. They don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we don't have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in three ring radio we had spoke about the in France going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away this other Jumoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie I don't know who's telling me what I don't really care if I moved to France and not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling killed Christians. I'm gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanist thread Buddhists or anyone I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:58<br /> :I know recently in France they were talking they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No no turbans? No got in France. No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:11<br /> :As long as it's no no. Like smoking in public it's like smoking in restaurants where religious garb all over? It's offensive to me. I want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense as fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public either.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:33<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:42<br /> :Rip the crosses off their next. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:46<br /> :fuckin i right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:48<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids. So they've learned better maybe if we did that with everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Yeah, exactly. Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :Like, oh, like the cubicle came for cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:07<br /> :Hey, isn't that see? Well, today it's okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:10<br /> :It was character flaw worked. Why not cubicle? You're right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:14<br /> :Got a point cliche theory<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:17<br /> :about cubicles because we had this office where we live before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of a cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:45<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking your fucking type and fucking loud. You know? Jesus Christ. You type in loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:57<br /> :No, no, I let go. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I started getting busy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:05<br /> :What do you say? My turn down the fucking soul? Yeah. All right. All right, clan. What are you good joining you know me and Amy went to the cloud Museum and we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married. on our honeymoon. She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:32<br /> :Montreal, Toronto, wherever we'd was legal or something. Yeah, right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:35<br /> :So so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the rubber flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the clan museum on our honeymoon. And the client guy like I call a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone and recall them so we're on my honeymoon and he goes well I'm close but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids. Kids K any k k k Museum and so it takes us that we got out there we meet them down there opens a store and we're letting it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs cladding is Honey Don't let him cheat you get something free so so Amy goes runs over gets a t shirt the night time is the white time. Tell him what else tell him all the shows the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:27<br /> :The guy who ran it his son he's like what a sacred Cyclops<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:36<br /> :that's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:38<br /> :talk into the microphone though.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:41<br /> :From the movie that Klansmen you know what they say. What is that an ordained Cyclops or something? He says<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops folly yesterday or the other day we're talking I II for AI we're talking about dogs with an eye I'm not a bucket Cyclops I have to realize just one's broken<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:05<br /> :so anyways, Raiders of Lost Ark Neph<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:08<br /> :the back room was like Raiders of the Lost Ark when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:14<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walk around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:38<br /> :with Bush in office. I mean, Bush is the client as fuck and people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over bush. I hate I gotta hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. He's a retired it was a speaking of the client. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was it was fun to go on our on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely clan song by Johnny rebel I think we can actually dedicate this on Amy. What was the Andy's wife's name? Cindy, this is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''26:26<br /> :And oh man.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''26:40<br /> :neggers listen now. I'm going to tell you keep from getting towards the when the clan is on the prowl. Stay at home at night and lock your doors a time. Don't go outside or else you find those poses a burden. Now I know you will believe me. So I'm going to to you by the Kagan's because Panasonic G five. I'm warning you when I'm through. You're gonna change your tune. This store is found a nigga. His name was Ilieva he walked into a cafe he thought he'd get a bite. A thought that they would serve him since they passed the civil rights. A waitress told him no. And that he better go he said No ma'am my Uncle Sam say I don't have to go so he sat there in may be and stubborn as a mule no matter what she said he would get up all that's do. He sat there like a jackass said I'm gonna demonstrate. Talk came in here leaving till the hallway just heard and she said I told you. She said if we can treat you right we'll have to treat your phone was in her hands. She gave him one more chance he would go and so she called the pages to close play. When he saw them patients come in leave. I knew it was too late. His eyes popped out his head and his kinky hair got straight. He said oh lousy white folks. I didn't mean a thing. Why did I have to listen to that demonstrated ping. Now niggers understand the tide of pull his hands. He was at the mercy of and cage and Ku Klux Klan. I knew just want to be buy new with two new ones or just say with the Nygard. Now the moral of the story if pain is it in the niggers Mind your business and let us like it better heed my warning and try to understand don't do Doom on the straight around the page and cookbooks plan<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :all right, three ring radio.com Evil now.com horror of horror.com dis genex.com And this is k in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''29:55<br /> :LMNOP A tabloid<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: /* Letter F */</p> <hr /> <div>[https://archive.org/details/abcshow Archive.org] description: <br /> :a weekend of telling stories for an internet livestream way back in 2004... shane<br /> :<br /> :bugbee hosts with co-hosts doug mesner &amp; amy stocky. the concept was to do a radio show without the need of a specific topic or guest to lean upon, this was meant to mock talk radio shows who have to cling to topics rather than the talk, the story, the communication to a listener... this was to practice and strengthen the art of telling a story as well as create a 30 min radio show for an internet radiostation and podcast.<br /> <br /> ''Transcripts with timestamps to the right of the speaker are fully auto-generated and unconfirmed by manual effort. <br /> <br /> =Letter A=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_a.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Whoo ha ha AEC see Isaac is it oh so sad because I will see you soon as they decide so so the idea girls will all join together on the letter D ea, ea. T. Do you do at the end of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:37<br /> :the day di, di di Di Di, di you are gifted<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :Thank you. Jay Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay. Jay, Jay. Jay, you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:15<br /> :a good day<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:46<br /> :Hello, let's put that on pause. Dog. Yes. Can't even hear you. Try it again. Okay. Oh, there we are. Very good. Amy. Hello. I can barely hear you.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:04<br /> :Hello, hello.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:06<br /> :Didn't I teach you how to talk in the mic?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :I'm talking right into it. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:12<br /> :We're reprised privacy. I wrote prettier. How do you say that? Reprising Yeah. We're reenacting our roles in the 911 broadcast right now. Refusing to talk.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :Now I did last time remember your rights here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :So what we're going to do is 26 half hour shows. And the only thing we have to go on is they're all going to start with the letter A or B or C, something like<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:45<br /> :that, an order of the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:48<br /> :And we we wrote down lists of things and we talked about doing for an hour show and bands that start with the letter A or B or C we really don't have a name but the alphabet show the alphabet show Doug says the ABCs of hate that you know how typical Phil? Phil how your brother would be disappointed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:08<br /> :Yeah, he probably worried so difficult. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:12<br /> :What was the best thing about meeting him? It's expected<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it should be the ABCs without w is our world is a world without<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :W What do you mean without W?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:24<br /> :You know they call the president? W<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:27<br /> :our world is dominated by W but it wasn't<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :speaking of a asphalts stripe CD out.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:36<br /> :No, no. We're talking Hey, now see? See asshole. animosity, aggravation.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:43<br /> :And then sub phallic. Oh, hey, that's my favorite a word that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :you can get the fuck out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :No means born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:50<br /> :Really? What does that word again? And then so phallic. Now you're gonna start a school.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :It's like Joe Coleman's Jr. You know, the kids with the clap sets and little jars and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :Happened to Princess?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:01<br /> :Pickled babies. Wow. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that is what happened to Princess kid. And a phallic Jelic<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:06<br /> :born without a brain.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :Oh, really? Do you smoke crack?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :Was that the name of a death song? A brain<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :couldn't tell you. But what does it what does that again and then so phallic. And I said a phallic? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :I got it. Well, we're onto another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:23<br /> :making up words. Doug's just fucking with true word medical.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:28<br /> :Yeah. So hey, good stories. John. Dawg. You gotta get stories about NFL Vladik.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :I never met, but if anybody's willing to sell me one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :Is that a pickle punk? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. born without a brain. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :Maybe that's what Joe Coleman had was princes son.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :And you can say that to people and they will know what you're talking about. You can say what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you anencephalic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :just gonna say you're a fucking asshole. That starts with a yeah And I love the asshole. Okay, Amy and Amy, my favorite a word of off, Amy. Beautiful, Amy. You're sweet. Remember when I first met Amy? On the streets of Chicago, she was running to the streets angry looking for a mad fix. zactly something like that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :Have you heard that in a commercial recently? No. So angry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :Angry.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:28<br /> :But you know, I told earlier good story. I think about something about Angel we said was we started talking about the idea of doing the show. And I said, Well, Doug, you know, we can talk about anything at all. And I said, I knew this escort girl who had came, we were hanging out after one of her first experiences as an escort. And she had told told me that the gentleman had requested a finger up the ass. A S. and, you know, she thought she was freaked out by it. But when she pulled out her finger, there's a piece of corn on it. And so I don't know if she eat it. No, I you know what? She I don't know. Maybe if she higly I paid extra she may have that's why she was so filled out. But um, you know, when she told me the story, I sort of laughed I said, Well, maybe she get yourself a pair of rubber gloves. Be prepared for the work, you know that you're doing, pretend you're milking a cow, or whatever, and just go at it, get the rubber gloves on, and, you know, go to town and these people, she was really disgusted by the it wasn't the act of sticking the finger up the ash. She thought the guy was weird. But it was the part of pulling the piece of corn out on her finger. And it just felt there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:41<br /> :She must have been really digging around in there because it's really hard to grip on to stuff when you're in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:48<br /> :Or maybe it was sitting right at the rim you never know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Must have been Yeah. Or she had really long fingernails or something. She<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :also said that it was common and a lot of the girls that worked at that trade said it was common that guys did not wash and had really they were dirty and a lot of the girls had figured that was they were clean for the wives but they got dirty down there for the girls because it was like a humiliating act almost. You know, you have to go down I mean for 200 bucks, and it's nice and dirty and sweaty.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:18<br /> :And I guess that's the reason to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:20<br /> :Well, I gotta get anal story. Oh, okay. One time. I stuck a candle in the skies. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:32<br /> :I love this story. I've heard it before. Usually when Amy tells me the story, I have my pants down and we're in bed and it's romantic. And I say tell me a story about your past.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:40<br /> :Was he asleep? No, no, he<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was right away.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :This is a good story. Okay, take your pants off if you wanted to get right all right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :So so this guy started getting into you know, having his ass worked. And so I had gone to this candle shop and gotten all these long pillar candles.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :Hold on. Well, I mean in chocolate. Doug just looked at me like it was me. explaining it was I do like my ass work. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :Your boy you're eating nutty chocolate, I realized<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :was a born again Christian. I once dated. Okay, so he really like to have the ass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :He was he born again at the time and still getting the password. Oh, yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:24<br /> :He I think he thought he could convert me. So. But look who what really happened, you know? So anyway, so I get these pillar candles and I'm sticking it in his ass, you know, in and out in and out. And of course, his ass is really hot. And oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :do you mean hot looking? No. I mean, it was frictions creating heat,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:45<br /> :heat. Yes. And the candle starts to get really soft. And so I'm thinking, Ah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. And all of a sudden,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :it was cool. All that out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:57<br /> :The candle was gone. It was just the wick. It all broke up and inside of them. And I didn't tell them or anything. I just had to go eat poop it out later, but it probably had to go to the doctor for that. No, I'm sure it came right out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:15<br /> :I don't know. I've never had a foreign object in my ass though. But I saw in Jackass dude stuck a little car up his ass and then he went to the doctor and got the X ray. Did you see that? And they told him it wouldn't come out on its own.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:32<br /> :Well, that's I mean, candle wax is gonna just ooze out when you poop dog think I gotta<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:37<br /> :ask. All right. Well, I've never had grass worked.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:41<br /> :I just I don't know. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:44<br /> :You can say you don't like unless you've tried it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:46<br /> :I guess I guess you guys perhaps Perhaps you ever thought about it now?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:54<br /> :Sweaty down below thinking about it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Now if it did I do it but it hasn't. So I haven't you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:59<br /> :there's the process. stayed up there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :This right here. Male G spot.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:03<br /> :And I would have to agree with that<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:06<br /> :a gay man told me that before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:09<br /> :I said I would have to agree with that. Then you have to say next right about a gay man once told me and now I'm looking at you again. Exactly. Doug's given me the one brown eyes got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:18<br /> :it was a gay guy. Another<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :fucking beat your fucking Scullin like a goddamn white man. Where I live radio. I just told the whole email group to join in another gay man. That<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:32<br /> :was gay guy. DJ Oh, you know who used to date was Daniel Day Lewis. Anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :we'll save that for DS tune in in a couple weeks when Amy tells you about Daniel Day Lewis get his ass worked. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :I was having a after hours breakfast with some gay guys at this restaurant. And the guy was telling me how men really love to get their prostate massaged, and that it makes them have bigger and better orgasms. And so you know, I was like, Hey, I've got to try this out. And it was true all you could feel it. You could feel the prostate getting bigger and bigger, the more excited the guy got and then when you know they shot, you know, it would get real big and then it would shrink back down again. You know, it was weird. It's weird.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:18<br /> :Night Well, I hear a legend in urban legend that old men you know, of course they need to get their prostate worked or else they get prostate cancer. No, if you stop shooting loads sick pulls up in your prostate and that's why old men get prostate cancer. Oh, really? Yeah, but friend of mine Monty claims that if you go to a general practitioner when you're an old man, they'll put on the rubber gloves jerk you off. And tickle work your ass their finger. Oh, he claims I just don't think I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:52<br /> :It feels therapeutic to me. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:54<br /> :i Yeah, it was a fucking thankless job, I would think but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:58<br /> :Oh yeah. I got I wouldn't go to a doctor. I mean, I'd head for the Bunny Ranch. That's why if that were the case, I'd be paying some fucking hooker 300 bucks an hour to work my fucking prostate. Okay. I got to be some old man going to the doctor for that. If you're going to pay someone pay a hooker.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:16<br /> :I guess that's my doctors make the big bucks.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:20<br /> :That's man you can if you can pay enough for that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:24<br /> :Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :You think they make Ooh. Hey, speaking of Ashcraft nice t shirt. You got their fellow?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:31<br /> :Why thank you. It's a John Ashcroft. Doug drew a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:35<br /> :really cool t shirt. He's an artist, a fine artist. I like to call him but and you know, his talent is he can draw and he's got one eye. That's, you know, non joking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:46<br /> :How do I do it with just one I don't know. You stick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :You see, he sticks the pen in the bad eye. And he draws with his head. That's the great thing about Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:53<br /> :You're not joking that he does that he does have one eye<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:56<br /> :but I'm not joking. But I'm just teasing Doug. He's a good Irish just because he's a smart kid. But Doug recently sat down and did a nice t shirt that we're going to be selling on three ring radio.com and evil now.com and dis genex.com and horror of horror.com We're all gonna sell the shirt. And it says dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Fuck John Ashcroft. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :And it has a really cool drawing of John Ashcroft on it. And so you brought up Ashcroft that's a beautiful a. He's, you know what, that's the song we should be playing.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :You got to play<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:30<br /> :the ego. So you're listening to it all day. Like,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:36<br /> :I love the song. It's one of my favorite of all time songs.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:40<br /> :I heard he wrote songs I wrote about it before, I think he's even been on late night shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Well, let me tell you, I played this song almost a year ago. And I've been playing it for about nine months now. Okay, so when you see it in the new movie, what's the guy's name? Michael Moore. All right, right. He's related to the guy in the process.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :Right Robert? grimston. Robert,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:06<br /> :right hey, they're related if you didn't know that, but anyway, we're gonna get on to that with the PS Ashcroft. This great song and I'm gonna play it I think in a second I'm gonna find it on the computer and play it as craft as craft the parlor. That's the point I'm making. As craft. I just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:26<br /> :got to add I think is craft is the worst fucking thing to ever happen all of us. I don't know what you do is such a scourge on the planet, but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:36<br /> :I'm with you, man. I mean, I think the tanks will be rolling down the street after this next election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:42<br /> :We're Focht now they're talking permanent Patriot Act.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:45<br /> :Right we're fucked in the ass with like ask crowd isn't asked. Right. I don't have I mean Bush put him in office though.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:53<br /> :Do you pointed him he pointed all the losers as as Croft last elections Senator in Michigan Spence Abraham last fuckin election gets appointed head of the department of energy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:06<br /> :here it's playing right now I can't turn it down below me stop this. See that was as craft sorry go ahead I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:20<br /> :Oh no that's fine yes Croft was singing the world standstill and Ashcroft sings<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:28<br /> :as Croft is a real fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :He's like Nero. He'll be singing is the American empire burns,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:34<br /> :who's Nero?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:35<br /> :He's the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor. He was supposed to have been standing outside singing while the Empire burned. Fucking hedge and De Niro<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:44<br /> :hanging with dog is like hanging with the goddamn teacher in my head starts to hurt after a while. And you're, I thought you were talking about Robert De Niro. I was like, oh, yeah, huh? What movie was that? Doug, that's why Doug comes down all the way from Detroit to hang out with a simple folk like me. So I could feel smarter than his friends. Okay. On<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :the other side of the tracks, right. Yes, neighborhood Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :Yeah, so Ashcroft looks good on that commercial for that Michael Moore movie. Fahrenheit. 911.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:20<br /> :Yeah, that was the footage of the same song you got. So what you're saying? Yeah. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:25<br /> :You want me to play that song? Well, to hear it right now. Go ahead. We got we got 13 minutes. We're doing a half hour show and you should tune in again, wherever you're hearing this on the many stations that will be carrying this wonderful show. What's the name of it again? ABCs. Of Fate fill.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:43<br /> :Fill the alphabet show the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:45<br /> :alphabet show. We're all gonna have our own names after a while Amy's call it the alphabet show. Doug has the name the ABCs of filigree fuckery and I'm calling it yeah, that's my word. fuckery isn't it? Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :better go<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:01<br /> :motherfucker bitch fuckery is my word motherfucker. My word motherfucker and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:05<br /> :using dumb factory but fuckery to describe time foolery and you know grab ass what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :Listen, you fucking cunt. I've been using fuckery for 20 years. When you were still sucking your mama's tip when I was sucking your mama's tip before you are round by the use of fuckery motherfucker all right in all fuckery Yeah, that's my name of the show pure fuckery letter fuckery something okay. I'm gonna play John Ashcroft for you actuals as a play playing Doug Doug Hello. I don't know All right, I'm gonna figure out how to do this. And by shozy We're gonna have this shit taken care of<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:01<br /> :to Golden Golden's.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:10<br /> :oh hi cheese never saw before Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:18<br /> :from rocky coast to Golden shores.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:21<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing pleadings<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:37<br /> :as the land beneath her sings.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:39<br /> :Only God love other kings. Let the mighty Eagles oh, oh.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:59<br /> :This country's far too young. She's still got to live<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:06<br /> :with God. No other kings. Let the mighty Eagles Oh<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:20<br /> :no, she's cried a bit for what we've put her<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:23<br /> :through. She soared<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:27<br /> :above the lifted lamp. Guard sweet freedoms though. In the dues the dance the watch fires of a nation torn by Whoa.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:41<br /> :She's far too young to die. You can see it in her eyes. She's not yet begun to fly. It's time to let mighty Eagles the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:55<br /> :Eagles saw Oh Oh like she's never saw before Oh, from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:06<br /> :rocky coast to Golden shores<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:09<br /> :Oh, let the mighty Eagles service healing wanes<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:24<br /> :as the land beneath her says things only God<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:32<br /> :no other key things. Let them mighty soul Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:43<br /> :you've got to love the fucking John Ashcroft. I love him.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:52<br /> :God loves them. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :that was a good song. You know you love it, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:57<br /> :Oh yeah. You see sung man at a press conference? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:02<br /> :you know the better a look at my list of A's is addiction.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:08<br /> :Never had one. Not at all. Not that I can think of.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:13<br /> :I would have to say um, if I were to label you have one addiction it would be pissy All right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:23<br /> :You know, you're never supposed to speak of that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:25<br /> :No, I mean, I didn't speak of anything but his love of pussy. Doug has a fondness of policy and he's very obsessed. They're not around with that is good. You know? Nothing wrong with that at all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:36<br /> :Yeah, get can get counterproductive at times. I would have a fucking Empire by now. Right? Right. I mean, he has too much fucking time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :I can't. That's no joke. He brings fucking girls over all the time. Anytime we're doing work now. And when I spoke about this 24 hour show or this 911 show last year on September 11. We did the first 24 hour internet radio broadcast. Yes, we are three internet celebrities. Well, we did the first 24 hour internet radio show. We did. It's documented. The first right? Yeah, you can't listen to we're history bitch. You're talking to Brian fucking Franklin right now. Okay. And Betsy Ross over here. We're history<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :Dolly Madison,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:26<br /> :Dolly Madison. All right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:29<br /> :You're driving it something like that? I was. Yeah. What? Addiction?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:35<br /> :Oh, yeah. Right. Not history. Right. Right. Addiction though. I have as you can see from my Rotunda bill, I have a lot of addictions, not just food. But I really love weed. I love weed like a fucking heroin addict loves heroin.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:52<br /> :I haven't seen you smoke. I've been here all week.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:54<br /> :I don't have any motherfucker going nuts about it. You know, I break. I got a friend who makes it or is he's involved in the pipe trade glass pipes, right? And he'll send me he'll send me like 30 glass pipes, like five $10 apiece, piece or whatever, I'll smoke out of them. And when they get good and resonant, I smash them and open them up and scrape the rosin. And I mean, ami freaks out because I am a real fucking I've got a real bad addiction to weed when it's weird to have an addiction to weed like others have for cocaine or heroin or something, but I really do. But I wouldn't have it for any other drug. I don't have it for cocaine. I wouldn't. I'd have a really, I guess I have a very hardcore, addictive personality. So it's easy for me to become I can't say cocaine or heroin. I guess I probably would grab on to anything I could. I'm just addicted to getting high. I like to get fucked up. We saw this great movie with Madonna or something as this guy. We're flipping channels. It was great one night and this guy drops to his knees because I fucking knee these<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:59<br /> :things. cocaine, alcohol, mocking me these days.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :And it was so great to listen. I'm like, I came in the room and I'm like, I fucking know how you feel. Dude, I fucking need these things. I need these things. Oh, it was loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:17<br /> :Sounds good. I think I'll take one up. And addiction. Well, you need like fun. Yeah. Well, sounds like it gives your life meaning.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:25<br /> :You don't want it almost does. The drugs you feel like they need you. It's like a It's almost like a stalker kind of love. I know that weed loves me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:33<br /> :It's a symbiotic relationship feed off, man. And it's more than<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:36<br /> :the ritual of it smoking Amy talked about the ritual of smoking is setting up the bong and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:41<br /> :walking around naked with a doll blade. No. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:44<br /> :you're gonna have to do a whole half hour on weed for Wu.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:48<br /> :No, we'll split it up. It'll get boring that we only got five minutes left. How<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:51<br /> :long is your song? Two minutes and 44 seconds. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:54<br /> :we've only got a couple of minutes left but addiction. What a bitch. It can be fun at times. It's Only bad addictions are really only bad when you don't have the drug to fill the addiction. When you don't have the pussy. You that's the only time it's bad the addiction is great when you got girls willing to come down for 24 hours show and be locked into a room for 24 hours without you know that it's it's fun when you have you know those things to come for you. And when you don't it's bad.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:21<br /> :It's not good from the outside looking in whether you have them or not. What do you mean when you look at me being addicted? Yeah, when you're smoking tons of weed or when I've seen drug addicts doing dope and stuff. It's just it's not attractive.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:36<br /> :Oh, even when I should be writing an article or drawing a picture and I get the call says come on over. All right. The booty call? Yeah, the booty call. I'm on call.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:50<br /> :Here that ladies. That's Doug Ed. Pussy. I'm call on call. Dick. What's your website? Again? Dis Genex. Yeah, ladies, I'm telling you. This dude has a trail of fucking pussy. And he takes two or three of them out at a time. No fucking shit. Okay, oh, I'm good. Breaking the guy cut. Oh. Oh, that was your brother. Sorry. Notice he's not saying anything. But Amy, you were saying how gross it looks. It is for me. It's beautiful. When I inhale that weed, it's like butterflies open up.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:27<br /> :You know, I love to smoke weed as much as the next person but I can take it or leave it. I mean, there's days when maybe I have a bad day and I think oh man, I'd really like to get stoned. And I do love the ritual of filling the bong and smoking the bong or rolling a joint you know stuff like that. I love the smell of weed. But if I don't have it, I don't care. I mean, I've been smoking weed for more than 20 years now. You know, so?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:53<br /> :Yeah, but you suck it down like an attic until it's gone. When it's gone. You seem to act like it's okay. Or whatever. It's cool, but I've heard you say I could use a fucking weed right now. Sure I can fucking use a joint was sometimes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:07<br /> :Exactly that sometimes I have a bad day I come home. I think Man,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:10<br /> :y'all get on your knees.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''27:11<br /> :I need these things. You know what<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:13<br /> :I've known so many addicts throughout my life. My parents were addicts to cigarettes and stuff. My sister was an addict. Everyone I know everyone I've been surrounded with as an addict. So I've never been addicted<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:25<br /> :for a timeframe I smoked weed regularly for I pain. But when the pain went away and stopped smoking it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:33<br /> :it was a good medicine for you. Yeah, well addictions get bad because you really need so much I know with weed. I can't just get a joint and smoke if I get an eighth. I fucking smoke that thing in a night and I wake up the next morning I'm grumpy motherfucker because I don't have anymore and I can go through about an ounce a week. That's about 200 bucks a week.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:56<br /> :When we used to buy ounces every week Shane would get down to about an eighth and then he'd be really angry and mean<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :oh god she's setting up the goddamn divorce thing right now she's gonna call these<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:07<br /> :we didn't cover abuse the other a word<br /> <br /> 28:09  '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. Well, what's the name of the song public assist to play that for pee pee P we'll play it for p so you don't get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic’s yours.<br /> <br /> 28:29  '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh no, no. No thanks. Abuse. Y’know, it’s just something that happens.<br /> <br /> 28:35 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> : It can be an addiction, too. <br /> <br /> 28:43 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yes, it can be.<br /> <br /> 28:45 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :But I think more often the person getting abused is addicted to it.<br /> <br /> 28:52 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Yeah, sometimes I think it’s a two way street, but that’s just...<br /> <br /> 28:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :...Or at least just as often.<br /> <br /> 29:00 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Just as we got literally a minute that's a real hot wanted to talk about in a minute. And you know what, it's it goes back and forth. And you know what it really depends. Sometimes it's a product of your environment and your circumstances and your lack of cash. And sometimes you Dick It's hard when you're beaten on someone. And that's what separates the characters that are going on. Me and Amy have had our problems, but I could tell you, my dick doesn't get hard when I'm arguing with her and shit shrivels inside me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :I guess we can talk more about it for D domestic violence.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :D I wanted to talk all about my dink deck. My dork could talk about that for my hog. The problem with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:23<br /> :abuse though is you got 20 seconds they don't ever treat like there's all these things for battered women but there's nothing for the men who are by<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :everybody. We've got 20 seconds Amy Thank you. This Gen x.com horror of horror.com and evil now.com my consent feiyr.com and three ring radio.com Goodbye everybody the ABCs of abuse next week be. That was great. Yeah well I think it's gonna go great<br /> <br /> =Letter B=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_b.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter C=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_c.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:02<br /> :things that start with C. Who cares about other things? C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. Oh, go get go get go get a start with C. O. C is for group. That's good enough for me. C is for cookie. That's good enough for me. C is for group that's good enough for me. Oh cookie cookie cookies starts with C. You know what are? A round cookie with one bite out of it looks like a C. Round donut with one bite out of it also looks like a C. But it is not good as a cookie. And the moon sometimes looks like a C but you can't eat that. So C is for cookie. That's good enough. That's good enough for cookie cookie cookies. Go get go get cookies<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:24<br /> :you know, you ever wonder why farts are funny? I wonder. Anyway, this is an ABC kind of show. Okay. And this This show is C and my name is Shane. And you could find out more about me on mycuntsonfire or evilnow.com Mycuntsonfire.com, uh, clubhate.com, threeringradio.com. I'm here with my lovely wife, Amy. Thewhoreofhorror.com. And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug MiSeq noise is I think, how do you say the last name? Messner. Missy. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say his acquaintance. Doug Messner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:53<br /> :That's me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:54<br /> :And our acquaintance. I don't know if I'm gonna call him a friend yet. Doug. Doug [unintelligible] is I think, how do you say the last name?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''02:04<br /> :Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:05<br /> Mes-- Mesi--. You know, I don't even know this guy's last name. So that's why I say he's an acquaintance. Doug Mesner.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:17<br /> :Do we need to start again? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''02:19<br /> :Should we?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :No, no, no.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:21<br /> :No, I mean, I've already broken the guy, called him everything else. Mesner, it's his Nazi name. He's actually got Jew blood in him and doesn't want you to know that his last name is s-k-y and not s-k-i. But, Doug, does dysgenics.com He doesn't really do anything with it. It's a cool domain name, he has about five seconds with the reading on there, but the guy has like books and books written.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:45<br /> :you know I'm not HTML savvy. And I don't get to a computer very often.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :Blame it on your addiction. If you miss 'the A show' go back and find out what Doug's A addiction is, his addiction is, and find out why Doug can't get his work done.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :A is for addiction. Not for what I'm addicted to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''03:05<br /> :Right. But we're on C. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''03:06<br /> :Cuz,I don't want people to speculate. Okay. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:08<br /> :And we started this C show with the great one of the greatest songs of my childhood. C is for Cookie. Cookie, Amy, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C. my wife makes fucking kick ass cookies. Really good. It's so good. I probably gained about 50 pounds over it. And I tell her family you know you're lucky she's with me. Because I'm I'm the one jumping on all the fucking cookie landmines she's laying down. I'm the one that's gonna die in five years from heart disease. And it's all thanks to Amy's cookies. They're good though. That's a tested that's a testament to how good our cookies are. I will be dead have diabetes and heart disease. Well before my...Well, I'm asking for it. But you know-- r<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :but they're super healthy. The got unenriched flour, unbleached.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :they're better than cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:59<br /> :I don't know about that partner.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:00<br /> :I don't know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:01<br /> :Well, you're right. human meat is poisoned. Gross. Sick fucking I hate human beings.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :You'd never do it? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:08<br /> :Just because they're disgusting creatures. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:10<br /> :C is for cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:10<br /> :I mean, let, let amy talk about cookies though-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:14<br /> :All right. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:15<br /> :--before we jump into canabalism. I wouldn't. I don't think I'd eat humans because they're just I don't really want to hang out with them. They're filth. Amy. Cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Cookies. I love cookies. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :Come on. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''04:24<br /> :I love to bake cookies. I bake all kinds of cookies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :Got any good cookie recipes right off the top of your fucking noggin? She's got some secrets and she gets pissed in the kitchen that people fucking watch when she makes stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :Yeah, I gotta hide stuff behind things when people are in there. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''04:40 <br /> :C for kitchen!<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :Yeah, or C for fucking cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :I don't know I got some good sugar cookies, but I'm not giving out the recipe offhand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Or you make a good Laci Peterson. What is it called? Lavender--<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:53<br /> :Lavende r Cookies. Those are pretty good.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :Do we have that recipe available?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:58<br /> :I could go get it. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:00<br /> :What's it have to do with Laci Peterson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :It's her recipe. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbeee '''05:02 <br /> :It's her favorite cookie. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:03<br /> :You know what? We will go get it when we play a song. We're gonna play a song, Amy is gonna go get that Laci Peterson recipe when we play a song. You're gonna love the recipe. Lacey Okay, here's the deal with the lacI Peterson lavender cookie recipe. When you wrote to Scott Peterson before he was in any kind of contemptuous situation,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:24<br /> :I guess in case anybody doesn't know Laci Peterson was murdered--<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:26<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:28<br /> :--and her husband Scott Peterson is blamed. She was pregnant at the time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :Wow you should have your own radio show, Doug, because I assume people know about murders-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:36 <br /> :Well you never know. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''05:37<br /> :--like you assume people know about fucking brainless kids and that kind of asinine word. Check 'the A show'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Anencephallic.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :But, Laci Peterson, I guess made this wicked lavender cookie, and her family when you sent in a donation or condolence or something for her death. They would send you back her lavender cookie recipe- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''05:58<br /> :Oh. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbeee '''05:59 <br /> :-with a purple and white ribbon. To remember Lacey and her--D-...hr killed her. I'm looking for a C word. That cunt. You know they sent a--Connard! That's the kid's name--Ah 'C'. Yeah, Doug, you mix me up here, Doug. I'm shaking up here. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:23<br /> :How'd I do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:24<br /> You explained who Lacey Peterson was.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''06:25<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :Let's get back to cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :Cookies. Lavender cookies. We're gonna get the recipe after a song. Cannibalism, exactly. I don't think I'd eat human flesh just because they're sick fucking people. I'd eat maybe someone like you, I'd make you into a jerky? Because you live a good lifestyle. You're a vegetarian mainly, a little fish. We have a healthy lifestyle. So that kind of meat I would think about. You're a little lean, but I think would make a good jerky.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:52<br /> :I'm honored. Shane would eat me. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''06:54<br /> :Dead? Dead, motherfucker, dead. Motherfucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:55<br /> :Right, right. Right, right. I mean, so I transcend the average filth though at least.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:01<br /> :Well you do. You're healthy. You healthy live healthy. I mean, myself. I know I'd be a good piece of meat because this gut I have. It's gotta be $100,000 Man. I eat really fucking nice food. Good shit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:13<br /> :I hear we compare favorably to pork. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:16<br /> :That's what they say.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :long pork? Isn't that the name for human flesh? Long pig.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:22<br /> :Hm, could be? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:22<br /> :Long pig. That's it long pig. Sorry.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:24<br /> :I thought one of the interesting anthropological facts about cannibalism is tribes will either eat their own or they'll eat their enemy. They never do both. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''07:34 <br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''07:35 <br /> :Yeah. We've never found tribe that does both. They either eat out of respect or they eat out of hate. They don't eat out of respect and hate. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''07:43 <br /> :Interesting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :That's, that's interesting. I can see Eating out of hate.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :Well, I always say if, um, if it got to a point in the world where there weren't grocery stores to go buy meat at. I'd become a cannibal because I could much more easily kill another human being then I could go out and kill a deer or rabbit because I like animals. But I could go out and kill people no problem and eat 'em.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:06<br /> :Oh fuck, I do it for a midnight snack. When it was coming to be y2k, and they're saying everything was going to shut down I thought 'Fuck it'll take two hours for him out resorting to cannibalism,' you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :I don't know though because I probably just turned to veggies. I'd probably start you know, pulling bark off the trees and I don't want to...I'm not saying I couldn't slaughter animals or something. I just don't think I think it would just be more practical to eat what's in my backyard. I wouldn't necessarily want to hunt because I'd still want to create or paint on the cave walls or do something like that where I...I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:42<br /> :Stalingrad. During World War Two. The provisions were cut off. Nazis were surrounding the city. They weren't getting any food, any resources. I guess, cannibalism, There's black market human meat being sold. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''08:54<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''08:54<br /> :Yeah. And they had like, you know, like anti cannibal vigilante forces, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:00<br /> :Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I have heard stories about? I have some family and they were Chicago cops. And they tell these really gruesome stories and, you know, they would say 'oh, you're into serial killers. That's nothing.' And I'm like, 'Oh, really?' And they go, 'Oh, man. These fucking projects'--Cabrini Green. 'C'. One of the most infamous housing projects. The star of Candyman, Clive--. Clive Barker. Hey, Clive, we can do him in 'C' the star of his movie. Candyman, Clive Barker, Cabrini Green. Wow. Three C's. I wonder if Clive had that intentionally? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''09:34 <br /> :You never know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''09:37<br /> :Oh, I'm getting spooked by C. Um. My point is the guy told me a story about how they'd go through the projects. And they'd see that folks there would have a barbecue pit in their tub. Like they put grates and the stove in the tub. And they'd roast up people. Babies, mainly. Like, these folks would have babies and they'd roast them up to eat.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:00<br /> :And when was this? What time period?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:01<br /> And this is a Chicago Cop. This is a Chicago cop. You go down and look at the--<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :Now.<br /> <br /> '''Shan Bugbee '''10:04<br /> :--the photos. If you go, they keep photo archives of all this at the-- What's that called? The-- <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''10:09<br /> The Historical Society?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:10<br /> :Historical Society. And you can...this is in police records. This is not a shit story. I mean, this is coming from a Chicago cop, a real dude and a real good guy. And he's telling me these stories. I think he was doing it in a way to try to give me the real...keep me in the real about serial killers and shit like that. He thought I was like, I was making an idol of serial killers. And that's not my angle. You know, I'm not--. I don't make idols of that shit. But his story was true. To the point of I remember him telling me he had photos. Maybe he showed us photos and stuff like this. And it just that's what he talked about. In the projects, they'd eat their own. They need the kids and--.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :Waste not, want not <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:53<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:54<br /> :Chikatilo. Cannibal. See. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''10:56<br /> :Oh! I love him. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''10:57<br /> : Yeah. He's a Russian too. The Russians are fucked up on cannibalism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:01<br /> :He's good serial killer. I remember being in Austin, Texas, right before that Butthole Surfers thing and I made a stencil of his head because he was just making the news and I was spray painting all over the town. Chikatilo, you know, just putting his head all over the town.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Yeah that wild fucker, they had to put them in a cage during communism.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:15<br /> :Communism. C. Chikatilo. C. Cannibalism. We are 'C motherfuckers'. CCCP.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:21<br /> :Pumping out all the C's.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:23<br /> :I was gonna say we went to Donner park before but that's D but they were cannibals.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Cannibals they...Cannibals. Yeah, tell him about Donner park, Amy. That was a good story. I liked going there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :Oh, it was cool. We went there. And we had just seen a documentary about it. So we had all the info. So the lady led us in the museum for free. And she told us that they have reunions there every so often for all the descendants of the Donner party. And they had, when they were rescued, they were rescued a few at a time because they couldn't take them all at once. They had to keep leaving some of the people there. And the last guy that was left there was totally insane. And he just started hacking off the people that were there as arms and legs and eating them and stuff because he just went nuts. And so the descendants of his family at the reunion none of them will wear name tags because they don't want everyone to know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:10<br /> :Oh, like when we went to John Wayne Gacy's gravestone, remember?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :Yeah, his stone. He doesn't have a stone. But you know he's laying next to his mom and dad. You know it because there's a plot there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:20<br /> :Right, unmarked graves.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:21<br /> :Right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:22<br /> :It's a strange idea. Why be buried at all, you know? Why be dressed up to get buried at all?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :I don't understand why he got buried at all. That's such a fuckin' waste.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Cemetery. 'C.'<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :There you go. Yes, cemeteries are for cunts. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''12:35<br /> :Chris. Correct. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''12:35<br /> My favorite 'C' is 'cunt' and I just love saying 'cunt'. It used to be a dirty word. It's no longer a dirty word. I think Sex in the City and shows like that used it as shock value and it's, now, it does not upset as many women as it used to five, six--Oh! Remember when we went across the country. C. Cunt-tree. Another C. I have a 'cunt-tree' in my backyard. I have the finest collection of nipples and dried up cunts you'll ever...Next to the Sheriff of Plainfield, anyway. We went across 'cunt-tree'. And I took a wickets. They had these stores in Colorado, and they were called the C store. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:12<br /> :Oh that's right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''13:13<br /> :And at that, and at that time, I said 'cunt', and Amy was a little shy. That's you know, she doesn't like vulgarity. She's, she's raised proper. And, you know, the C word was the way I said 'Oh the C's though. That's funny. Fucking take a photo of the C store for all those fucking cunts in your life.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :Oh we were laughing our heads off about it. What do you think? I was uptight?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Yeah you were. I'm just--No, I'm not saying you're uptight at all. You're being uptight about being uptight, though. That's that's a fact.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:35<br /> :You know, a book was put out called Cunt. I think that really was to the effect of the word because it's like a feminist book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:41<br /> :You know? You're the only fucking teacher here. You're the only fucking person crackin' spines, buddy. I'm mean the spine of a book, ya puss.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:46<br /> :All right, I mean, right. That's great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''13:49<br /> :When my dad was also--.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:50<br /> :You also work in Borders. He's gonna-. Every time a 'C word is gonna come up, any word. You know, there was a book called 'demented eggs'. You know book--You work at Borders, man!<br /> <br /> ==Doug Misicko on Black co-workers and cunnilingus==<br /> 13:58 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I used to work with coloreds, and they always talked about cunnilingus.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Oh!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. “Did you do it?” Y’know?<br /> <br /> 14:07 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :They don’t though, Coloreds don’t eat pussy.<br /> <br /> 14:08 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Some of them... It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about...<br /> <br /> 14:09 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :No, they don’t!<br /> <br /> 14:10 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :“Do you eat pussy?” And others would... No, some would say they did, and others would say “Fuck, no!”.<br /> <br /> 14:13 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :We’re talking coloreds at the letter c. You’re funny, Doug. No really, I went to I lived in a really black neighbor with a black family for a while. And I was the big deal on the block because I was a white guy and all the girls were real friendly to me. 'Hey,' and it was funny because I was like a younger guy maybe 18 or whatever. And they're trying to get me 40 yards to get me drunk and stuff and I'm like 'what's the deal?' and you know-- <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''14:43<br /> :He was the white chap? C.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''14:44<br /> :Yeah, chap chap yeah, C. But the older brother tells me 'Hey, man, they know white guys eat pussy. but us black--us niggas, As he said--niggas we don't eat pussy. A real nigga doesn't eat pussy. And I'm like, really? But it's so nice and 'we don't eat pussy, motherfucker.' That's it. And that's how they were And that's it. When this was a neighborhood where at night you had to get in at night when it got dark, packs of dogs came down the street and chased you to eat you. It was a fucking straight up, fucked up neighborhood. And anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :when my dad was a fireman, and they'd go to a fire and there'd be someone inside they got burned up. They call them 'crispy critters'. That's 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:22<br /> :Oh man, and Amy used to wake up in the morning with her cornflakes--'C.'--and have to listen to these fucking stories from her dad about 'crispy critters'. 'C' again. You cunt. Not Amy, the cunt. You, the listener are the cunt. Amy is the whore, of horror.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :So anyways, back to the cunnilingus. Did the colored girls appreciate this Chicago chap for his cunnilingus Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:51<br /> :I couldn't I couldn't hang. No, I was too shy. I ran from that shit. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''15:56<br /> :You couldn't chow on that. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee ''''15:57<br /> :No, I couldn't chow on that. But I did. I do look back on it. Finally--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:01<br /> :You couldn't chow the carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :No, I was I was afraid. I was afraid. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''16:04<br /> :The colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''16:05<br /> :Chow the colored carpet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''16:08<br /> :I was afraid of the cultural barriers there. I was just afraid. It was a scary thing hanging out the whole black neighborhood, period. So I was, my eyes were wide open freaking out all the fucking time--Cockroaches. And that same house, live in this family in the basement. And the first night I'm there, you know the lights go out and I'm sleeping in the basement on a couch and they put linoleum down it wasn't like a basement basement. It was like a half built basement. And I remember we turn off the light and I woke up in the middle of light, night, light--in the middle of the night. And it looked like the wall was moving. You know, I thought man I was smoking good weed or something. And I turn on the light and the whole fucking wall, it was brown. What is it? Paneling? And it was all covered with cockroaches moving, the whole wall was moving. The next morning I'm freaking out. Holy fuck, but I've got nowhere to go. I'm homeless at this point. You know? So I'm with the colored--cockroaches. All 'C' words. And I remember going upstairs the next day. Is there something wrong Amy? I thought maybe I said colored the wrong way. Did I say 'nigger' and not 'nigga'? Amy's looking at me, giving me the eye.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:17<br /> :I burped. Excuse me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:18<br /> :Oh burped. B. That was last show Amy --but the wall moving---and the next day and I went up and the fucking sink is like a third full of fucking cockroaches because it left the water you know like dishes in there and shit. And all the cockr-- and these fucking third, I mean it was infested, motherfucker, infested. And I was you know, it freaked me out but you don't have a choice. A roof over the heads better than in the park.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:41<br /> :You know, how do you take care of cockroaches? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''17:44<br /> :No, how? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:45<br /> :Light one on fire and the rest of them will run?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:48<br /> :Really? <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''17:48<br /> :Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''17:49<br /> What do you mean? How's that work?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :I was at a party one time and people had real bad cockroaches and they were running all around the walls and stuff. And the guy whose house it was just took his Lighter and lit one of them on fire and the rest of them bolted.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:06<br /> :I guess they're smart as far as bugs go. That's what I've heard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:11<br /> :Well, I didn't like living there but--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:14<br /> :I hear there's bums that eat them too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:16<br /> :I can see that I can see eating bugs for-. That's what I would eat, if we were talking about cannibalism. That's probably what I would chow on is bugs and shit like that. I wouldn't want to work all fucking day building fires and I'm fucking you know, I'm not I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :You'd just snack. Snack on the cockroaches.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:33<br /> :Yeah, I would eat bugs. I would eat. I would eat leaves. You know, I wouldn't want to kill birds or frogs or, might fish. I probably fish and eat a lot of fish.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:42<br /> :you'd eat chives and corn.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:44<br /> :Yeah, corn. Oh, corn. Another corn story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :We have chives growing in the backyard.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh yeah. We have a beautiful garden. But that's not. That's 'G'. C. We do have a beautiful garden. Chives, fresh vegetables, fresh. Fresh herbs. Yeah, Doug's falling asleep. What a cunt. Male Cunt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:05<br /> :Chives. And Herbs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:06<br /> :What's your problem with chives?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Bugbee '''19:07<br /> :I don't have a problem with chives cause they're in the 'C'.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:10<br /> :Doug's too cool. I told, I told, ere's what I told Doug. He'll be a real man when he knows how to make a chicken broth. Chicken. 'C', bitch. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:20<br /> :By Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:21<br /> :By Christ. Hey, we're gonna play a song right now. Amy Why don't you tell the folks tell them in your DJ voice what this song is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:28<br /> :It's Chris Connelly. 'C'. Double 'C'. And the song is 'Come Down Here'. Another 'C'. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:36<br /> :You fuck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:36<br /> :I liked The Cocks better<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :RevCos great. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''19:39<br /> :That starts with 'R'.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''19:40<br /> :What?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''19:40<br /> :But don't don't fuck with Amy, yeah. You don't wanna fu--<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:43<br /> :I'm not fucking with her. I know she knows what's up.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :Yeah, she does know what's up with music. That's no doubt. Amy's hard. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :We're low on the 'R's, okay?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:52<br /> :Amy is hardcore when it comes to tunes and she took over. We did the show. I said what tunes we play Amy walked in with two arms full of vinyl, Record Player, CDs. I mean, she took the opportunity to be DJ so she's playing all the tunes, Chris Connolly. What does this cunt of corn?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:10<br /> :Come down here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:11<br /> :Okay. Do I gotta come down there to play the CD? Oh wow cunnilingus I got we're gonna play cunnilingus during the song <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee '''20:20<br /> :Get over here, you Cock.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''20:23<br /> :Whoa give me that fucking nice tasting cunt of yours. Can you tell I'm not colored?<br /> <br /> '''[SONG PLAYS UNTIL 25:39] '''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:29<br /> Hey everybody, hey, hey. This is the C show. What's wrong, Amy? Amy's gonna--We're about four minutes left in the C show. We're doing like an impromptu talk show radio, internet radio show. And we decided just to do the ABCs of filth, hate, whatever Doug's calling it. Amy's calling it the alphabet show and I really have no name for it. It's just a fun concept to do. We talk a lot and we thought we'd catch it on microphone. We got some good stories. You missed Amy's anal story, candles and anal. You missed Doug's Beanie Baby story for 'B'. Fucking good story though. And this week, if you if you missed something, you missed it. C is for cookie, motherfucker. Cookie, motherfucker. And Amy's got a good cookie recipe. Go ahead, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:24<br /> :All right. It's the Lacey Peterson lavender cookie recipe. I had a hard time finding lavender. But if you call around to health food stores, someone's bound to have it. All right, 5/8th cup butter, a half cup sugar, one egg, a tablespoon of lavender flowers, one and a half cups all purpose flour. And sugar, powdered sugar. And lavender flowers, another tablespoon. Okay. So you put all the butter, the sugar and the egg all together. I add a little vanilla, but that's me. And then add in the flour. Well, you mix the lavender flowers with the flour and then you add that together and you bake them like 350 for about 15 minutes and they gotta get golden brown. Otherwise, if they're chewy, they're really disgusting. They have to be crisp. And then you put the lavender flowers in the powdered sugar on the top there. Okay, I mean, there are different, something different.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :The didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''27:41<br /> :Pardon me? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''27:43<br /> :They didn't please her husband. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:45<br /> :You know, that'a what I thought when they sent me--.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:47<br /> :It wasn't enough at least<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :when they sent that. Now that recipes from Laci Peterson, the dead woman and her husband's on trial, and you know, he's gonna get get off. I mean, he is. But this is a recipe they sent out when you sent them a condolence letter. 'C' for condolence. This is the alphabet show the ABCs of filth, whatever you want to call it. My name is Shane. Evilnow.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :I'm Amy from whoreofhorror.com and I'll post that recipe on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:26<br /> :And this is Doug from dysgenic.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Doug Messner<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:32<br /> :Yeah, not a whole lot on the site, but you can email me at overlord@dysgenic.com And I may or may not reply because I'm in an elitist snob.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, that's been another fine show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:46<br /> :We never even got to converts.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:48<br /> :Converts? Who's converting? Con? con con. Those fucking. Con, exactly, ex cons, cons. Oh, we forgot Christians. I know. Doug has been on his knees. Yeah, we're about to cut off here Amy. So I'm gonna play I don't know. Any other C's? Convert, Christians, Cunts, cocksuckers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:14<br /> :Cocaine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh I had cocaine down.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :I know. I had a cocaine story to.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:18<br /> :Hey Doug, check this out. Check this out. We got we've got 30 seconds. Take a whiff of that. Good. That's cocaine. Check it out. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko '''29:28<br /> :Oh I guess it is <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee '''29:29<br /> :Take a sniff. Just take a sniff so you can smell what it smells like<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:32<br /> :I've smelled it before. I've tasted it before.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :I had a friend of a friend. I had a friend that gave me that today. Said hey man, someone left us at my house. You want it? You guys do drugs? Amy. I think in a past life was a Coke Whore. Because she's like, 'I'll take that motherfucker.'<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:50<br /> :I was never a coke whore. Give me a break.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:53<br /> :Alright, we're signing off. Everybody goodbye and tune in next time for Ds, for dickhead and dumb. That was awesome we're gonna start a show up pretty quick right now we're just gonna start them out you know so we're gonna Amy a couple of seconds and we're just going to start the D show how about---.<br /> <br /> =Letter D=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_d.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:13<br /> :Every day in my eyes all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 323<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved as children obey your parents<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:42<br /> :child is known by doings proverbs 2011 44. Season we'll talk about it so we don't lose<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:05<br /> :weight Psalm 3413<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Isaiah 4522 Block Mr. Boyd again done<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:42<br /> :thanks to the Lord for His good<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:49<br /> :alphabet not the Spirit First Thessalonians 519<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:01<br /> :First, okay, we're gonna stop that sounds bad. It's the ABCs of the Bible. And it's fun to listen to, but probably good enough to scare everyone away. My name is Shane. I'm here with Amy. Hello, and Doug. Right? We're working on. It seems like I'm doing all these shows in a row. And I am and we are. But we're working on an impromptu type of talk show. We didn't come up with any topic but a letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say a letter this week or this show, I shouldn't say this week because we don't know how the stations that will take these shows and play them. But this show is D. And that's our topic. That's our letter for the day. And we just whatever comes to our mind first with the letter D we just tell a story if we have one if we can squeeze one out. Last couple of shows a b and c he missed Angel. Some good angel stories. You missed them good Beanie Baby story, some cookie recipes. And now it's D. who started last time. C was cookies. B was Beanie Babies A's and I think dog has to start. Oh, you're right. I forgot we have a dog and the D. No big headed dog is his technical nickname Ron. So<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:15<br /> :it's so it's my letter. Yeah. God damn right. Well, I got GE Right. Right, right. Damn it. Damn right. So I got another highfalutin word like a head for a such a dick. But it's defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :What's wrong with you, man? Are you going to be a professor? Oh, are you going to be in 12 years a professor like some professor where people call Do you understand what he was about 15 years ago,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:41<br /> :and believe me they don't have a dictionary here. So I I have this in my head. Anyway. We don't What the fuck do you think we are? Why didn't consult a dictionary here.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :You don't want later. We're going to have for AI. We're going to insert a dictionary in Doug's rectum.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Anyways, defenestration is when you jump out a window, and I have a story about that. A friend of mine stole a skull for me, out of a crypt what is definitive what the faulted fenestration is when you jump out of a window, why can't you just say jump out of the window or crazy motherfucker? Because if you're writing like an obituary or something sounds better. If you say, if you say one word he died of defenestration.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :Where did you find out about this ever say how people died in obituaries?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:34<br /> :But if you were gonna write an obituary,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :no, your eulogy? No, if you were gonna buy it, right obituary, where did you find out about this word though? really dug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :I don't know. It's just one of those. You know, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :know, Doug reads Dix, the dictionary Wally's.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:48<br /> :I know Dick But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:52<br /> :anyways, he steals a skull out of a crypt in France, and he crashes it to get out it was one of those. This is a story about your friend you Yeah, the drunken murderer jumped out of a window. Yeah, but and his defenestration? Yeah. But he had this skull. And then this is in France, he went to France, and he figured out like this skull, but it's crypt tour, so he has to crash it a fucking skull. You know? As you know, they, they look for people stealing that shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:22<br /> :And this is a drunk. Yeah, that's the drunk we drew on his D for dry. We drew on his face with markers when he passed out and he's a total dick. Okay, so he's he's the Triple D threat here. Now he suffered from the Spanish defender.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :Yeah, yeah. Anyways, he got roaring drunk that night in France. What a dick. And then he was having nightmares about this skull he stole. So this led him to jump out a two story window.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :And where's he from? Detroit. Wow, he's got the four DS going around and we can make a nice picture of him. His face with Dick drunk the Federation Detroit.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:02<br /> :Alright, and right. I tuned from Detroit. So it stands to reason. Yeah. Doug from Detroit. Yeah, it's everybody's fall as they say it is. Detroit. Oh, fuck yeah. I was worse when I was a kid. You know, they used to have Devil's Night. Full Swing. Oh, no, they burn they burn that city down every year. And I was hoping they would burn it down again. Pistons one, but you were just telling me I didn't even hear the news. Nine people got shot.<br /> <br /> ’’’Shane Bugbee  '''06:34<br /> :But about the Devil's Night. When did that stop? Because that was going on until about fucking what, four or five years ago?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:40<br /> :Yeah, it was going strong. Everybody go out and fucking burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:43<br /> :Eight years ago, huh? It was a you know what I mean? He was first getting married and stuff like that. We went through Detroit. That was shit that was on fire. And it wasn't no devils night. It was like Tuesday, June 3, or something is fucking shit was on fire.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :Or she was burned all the time. I was in a hospital in Detroit once and I looked out from my room. And I got a good view of the city and I could see a couple houses burning. I mean, you think there'd be nothing left to burn in this fog? And it's not just devils night. Oh, no. Is it like arson capital? It's where it's at. I mean, but sometimes I've heard different stories I've heard sometimes it's people collecting. I don't know, like the landlord protect, you know, collecting property value somehow by burning this place down, or concerned citizens burning down a crack house because it's been condemned, and nobody's going to do anything about it. And other times, it's just silly little shits running around lighting shed on fire because that's what they want to do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:38<br /> :Hey, I saw the m&amp;m Eight Mile movie. They burned a building down in there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :And it was a good deed.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:43<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. What a dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:44<br /> :Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:51<br /> :And why is that Doug? Is it the colored<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:54<br /> :place is just a shithole. I mean, they're not gonna do anything with it. Bucket is your carpet vomit and start again.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:00<br /> :What's your D word? Ami or D you got a neat thing to throw out there D<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :def drugs Doom and Dennis doll?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:09<br /> :Well, you're gonna have to start with one of them with a story. So we went over drugs with addiction. So why don't you do death? I mean, you've got a lot of good death stories. As matter of fact, if you want to check out Amy's website horror of horror.com There's some really fucked ups that Amy's tales of woe on there are some really fucked up stories and some of them are true. The ones that you would think are not true, or the true ones. Let me tell you that. And I know this. I just know where Amy came from. I know I met some of her friends. And you know, I've hung out with Amy long enough to know that that shifts that she's in the real Amy lives in the real man and now is Charlie's I say in the real All right, motherfucker, don't correct me. corrections on see it's the real, and Amy's all about the real. Okay. And that isn't the now it's the past. Okay. Tell them a death story. Amy. Maybe one that's not on your website? Because I know I've heard stories about Amy having boyfriends that drove around with dead bodies in the trunk. Amy had a boyfriend that was slash a pimp that got shot dead in a phone booth. Amy watched the person get their head stepped down to the brains popped out of the top.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:28<br /> :So you never met a jealous ex boyfriend? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :I wouldn't give a fuck. They won't want to meet me. I don't give a fuck how bigger friends are what they do. They better kill me. I fuck them up. And I'm not talking either. I mean, don't fuck with me. That's it. I'm a survivor, bitch. You know what I'm saying? Alright,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:49<br /> :right you know, I have so many dead people. I'm going to do a book dead people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :used to know great store. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, great idea because Oh, I know it's gonna get stolen now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:02<br /> :I think people know enough dead people to fill a book.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :The lie. It's some current like Jim go to listen to his still dead people I used to know, even though he's never left his fucking typewriter. Oh, I forgot that see for Kant.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:15<br /> :Oh, I gotta get one. In fact, I was just reminded of a story recently because<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:20<br /> :story I'm sorry to interrupt dead people. I used to know that's a book Amy's going to work on. And that's a great working on it. Yeah, right. She's worked. Right. And that's a stellar idea. Because tell him about that book. How many people are dead that you know, and I just named off four off the top my head?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah, geez. I don't know. Probably a couple 100 I probably know quite a few.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :A couple 100 is exaggeration. Okay. 100. I mean, Amy does know how many how many of your girlfriend's have ended up in the lake over here? A couple, two or three right couple? Yeah. And hopefully shit. No shipment will read a paper story. There'll be some of the news. There was a girl that have been late game because I bet that's one of my friends. And sure shit. It is. This is the killing fields out here. That's Cal city, the Calumet region. So talk to me. So I've had a lot of sugar, chocolate and coffee.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Well, we recently Shane had a friend over from serial killer Central. And we were taught case central case central.com Joe, and we were talking about serial killers in this area. And there was one guy who was gutting hookers, and we couldn't remember his name. So I did a search on my local newspaper website. And I found this crime I've had forgotten all about. When I was a kid. I knew this family, the Knicks edge family. In fact, I dated the youngest nixes in junior high, but the oldest one, Eddie went to school with my sister. And this other guy we knew peewee who was like this hat guy who never went to school ever in his entire life. I think he dropped out in second grade. And he owed Eddie Nick's edge and this other dude some money. So they ran into him at a bar and he and they invited him back to his apartment. So they get him to the apartment and Eddie Nick's edge his friend and his friends dad, kill, PeeWee and the guy he's with, throw them in the trunk and drive around with them for about a week. And anytime they drive up to their friends, hey, how you doing? They drove up to the woods and they'd be like, hey, look what we got in the trunk and they'd open the trunk and show everybody they're dead friend who is this now the dead front is peewee peewee graves. fitting name, huh?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :Is that his real name?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:31<br /> :Yeah, it was Ernest graves. This is real names. Everybody. I always knew him as peewee and when they got caught, of course, you know, driving around showing people your dead friend in the trunk. Of course, they got caught and the guy who him and his father were two of the killers. He admitted later that he had killed like eight eight girls and dumped him in Powder Horn Lake so he turned out to be a serial killer for hot up.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:59<br /> :Death. So the friend of yours was the guy who was killed not<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :I need two of them. I knew Eddie Nick's edge one of the killers. And I knew peewee the Kili as it were.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:11<br /> :And this is totally separate from the other guy you dated that had a body in his trunk?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:14<br /> :Yeah, totally different.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:17<br /> :That's funny deal. You know, we should have waited for the end of the show for that one. I don't know what to say anymore. Oh, yeah, that's a good one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:25<br /> :I know you put a dirty sanchez on both of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> :I've seen a couple of deaths I saw I saw someone not as personal but I did see someone thrown on the third rail once right in front of me and get electrocuted. That was you know, Oh, really. As far as death goes, though, I did grow up in a funeral home. At least I spent my summers in a funeral home so it was really weird. I used to help set out flowers for funerals, and stuff like that. And I always like the first couple of times I poke at the eye. You know, see this body laying there in the face. The skin didn't look real. It's all makeup and stuff like that. And I'd poke the face I'd like poke the cheek. And I remember the first time I did it, I poked it. And it crapped it all cracked apart. And I ran I run up the stairs<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :on run Krakow like the makeup coming right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :Well, I didn't know at the time why? It took a couple of years for me to understand why it cracked I thought it was crumbling like glass or something. Yeah, it was like oh my god, I fucking ran out of it. Right after a couple more years seeing my uncle prepare bodies and stuff I had and I'll talk more about the funeral home and if in a couple shows, but finding out more I found out that I cracked the makeup. It was so much makeup caked on there. That That cracked or something like that. And I remember getting in trouble that day. My ankles like what happened Who taught you know did that? And you know, I said I ran into him with a flowers. But they knew I was lying. And they looked at me then like I was a sick demented person you know, and When it finally came out what I did for a living and it was on the cover the reader and all the serial killer stuff I saw whatever they call my parents say, see, we told you he was fucked up, you know, whatever. And anyway, that's I can't top Amy's death stories<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:15<br /> :with you. There's death D. Dana Plato.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:19<br /> :Yeah, Dana, why did you want to ask me about Dana Plato? I don't really talk about that too much now. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:24<br /> :why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:26<br /> :It's a horrible thing. I didn't like it. I got it out of my system with that book and CD I did. And I left it behind. That's why I did that book. And CD was hard, hard to deal with. Tell you the truth. It was really hard. It took me probably took a year out of my life. And, you know, made me reassess things. It was a real hard thing. I know people Hard to believe, you know, there I am taking 10s of 1000s of dollars from extra and the National Enquirer and other people that do stories and stuff. But, you know, at the fucking time, you know, I do this for a living, I don't have a job. So when someone offers me five grand to talk, I talk. And I did it for all the right reasons. But I What else was I gonna say about it? You have a specific question. It was horrible. The whole experience is horrible. Have to be friend, someone. And then. And then I guess my whole problem always is with potential. I don't mind the person dying. I don't mind a drug addict. But it's the ones that break my heart are the ones with so much potential great potential, they can do something. And Dana Plato had. She started you know, I made friends with her. And she had so much potential and so much creativity and a lot of life in her and she really wanted to live that life. And she's full of that and had potential to do something cool. And do something with her controversy. And it was a sad thing. And I was so close to it. Like she literally died on the phone to me and I was on the phone with her every day. For fucking 60 days, dude fucking eight hours a day. I listen every aspect of her life. So I understood she was getting out of the gutter. She was really, you know, I can understand that. And it was I don't know. Is there something specific? No, I want to know about that. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:13<br /> :I really don't know the story that much. I was never I didn't really know her I didn't you know, I don't know what she I've never seen anything she was in or<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:21<br /> :Dana Plato. Before your time, I'm a little older than you I grew up watching Dana played on TV and she was about probably a little older than older than me. But she was different strokes, different strokes. And I'd seen that it was like a pre pre pubescent type of AD D different strokes, right? It was a pre pubescent type of love affair TV love affair. I think I whacked off to her one of the first whack apps I had or something like that. So it's that base, you know, I found that she was stripping in Vegas and wanted to exploit her and you know, get a sniff of that crotch or something. And you know, when it worked out, I wanted to bring it up to Chicago to get her top off on the internet or something to make money and we became friends and shit. We were starting to work on a nice book a Coffee Table Book of Memories and shit like that. And you know, and I know that sounds weird that it but it sucked because she had potential. She had potential it sucked to go through that shit as<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :well. There seems to be controversy on the internet. Not about Dana Plato. No, but about Dirty Sanchez. Now, when you're giving a Dirty Sanchez, do you stick your finger in her butt? And rub it over her upper lip? Or do you stick your finger? Your own ass and then smeared across her upper lip? Or doesn't matter?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:45<br /> :Are you asking me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:46<br /> :I'm asking you I thought I remembered he Sanchez master.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:49<br /> :Oh no, I don't like that. I would never do that in a second. Just because I like a prostate rub once in a while has nothing to do with human oleation degradation, degradation or you know gross.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:05<br /> :Can you imagine the mixed drink dirty Santa?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:09<br /> :I would imagine a dirty sanchez though the whole trip on that is to fucking do that to someone who doesn't like it you know? It's like humiliation right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:15<br /> :All right. It's like the guys go out to get the prostitute and stay all dirty. Don't clean themselves. You talking about it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:22<br /> :On a or some further back and yeah, yeah, I would assume that's something that you would do to an unsuspecting victim for sure. Yeah, you know serve and protect man you got to be protecting yourself. Watch out for that fucking stink finger rub it on your nose.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:39<br /> :Don't let somebody hold your head under the covers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :What song we play an AMI. You gave me a song here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :What is it? Dye wars.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:48<br /> :Are you gonna keep pumping out this fag tunes or what? You got any venom in the mix? All right, well, DJ I'm not gonna fuck with you too much. I'm gonna say dye wars all you know and just<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:00<br /> :I'm gonna have to do another D song for E because I got nothing for E Eazy E. Oh there we<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :go easy motherfucking e e that's what I got when I look flip on page e it says ed the creep and E easy motherfucking E and of course my favorite subject Eagle die wars a good song I think right Alright, enjoy the song kiddo.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:31<br /> :This is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:49<br /> :Matt<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:43<br /> :You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:45<br /> :song ended pretty abruptly. Let's go were that was Chris Connolly was or no. They sound the fucking same to me gay and Doug loves them and that the letter is D and this is an impromptu type of talk show we're doing where we have not really a topic we're just using a letter. You<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:09<br /> :know what I wanted to ask you to? I don't know if you'd be covered the fucking door you had a story somebody's trying to bust down your door<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:20<br /> :we'll use that for another one break in a robbery or something like that break. I was gonna say dad, but I can't I don't know the door. I'll go door fucking door. Amy. You want to talk about the guy tried to break in the door. Remember? You guys Doug. What did that talk about? Okay, we live in Hammond, Indiana. Home and the fucking asshole can't dirtiest pot dirty D a dickhead politicians. They don't do anything here anyway. I'm taking a train to the city once and I see this dude hanging out in the corner. I get really creeped by it. i Come on, talk to Amy about it. And she says Oh yeah, the guy was creepy. You know he's over here over there. I shut the door lock things up. Well, sure is shit. The next Saturday I'm sitting on the couch. And I hear someone trying to fuck and like they try to open the door first. And then they knock and then they're like trying to open it. I open the goggle the fuck do you need? And he goes oh, you know like he was I was looking for some kids. He walks away while I call the fucking cops Fuck this shit man try to break in. When I go get my my beater. You know, my big stick my axe handle. And I go out there to fucking you know, do the smackdown or something. I'm worried someone tried to break into my place. Cops. And I got two minutes here but the cops come. Hammond dickhead cop cops. And they beat his ass on someone's porch like they're beaten him like Rodney fucking King. It was it was great to see because the Asheville tried to break into my house. I wish they would have shot him fucking dead. But they really beat his ass and the guy fought back a lot. So there's the door story. How do you like that door? They're in my office with the big inch gap there. On the top right now. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:05<br /> :good for the winter. Oh, yeah. Well,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:08<br /> :I have a hole in my bathroom ceiling. So in the winter, I sat her I wonder why I got a walk in case in pneumonia. And then I figured it out was the draft from the hole in my bathroom. And then no door there. You're speaking a door for D and this big fucking gap in my door. That's how I had gotten walking pneumonia. So you get this breeze from the doors. Yeah. So Doug wanted me to talk about door for D boring. I wanted to say dad, or my brother Derek or the one of the bigger influences on me. Growing up my real like my father was my father but my dad was Steve Dahl. This is a like a DJ in Chicago. If you got a doll.com D H L you'll see. He's the guy who did oh, Disco Demolition. He's the guy who did that. And growing up, it was cool. I'm like a fucking teenager. 10 years or whatever. And he's, he's getting on the radio breaking disco record. Disco sucks disco suck. So it was real cool to drive up to the local disco. And he'd have the van out there. And all these fucking prime fucking pieces of pussy hanging on him. And there everyone's smoking weed and he'd open up the van door and it's a loop man known as a DJ but he's nationally known and rare. Wango Tango is playing right and Ted Nugent big speakers. And they're blaring in at the disco causing trouble. It was cool. Anyway, we got 30 seconds. I'm Shane. Evil now.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :Amy horn horror of horror.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:33<br /> :Doug just genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:35<br /> :Yeah, tune in next time for the letter E I think we talked we'll be playing some Eazy E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:40<br /> :no more industrial music till P<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Oh, come on. Amy. I'm not giving you grief your your music tastes are unprecedented. I'm sure everyone's entertained. I'm just giving you know, I give everyone a hard time. The love of my life Amy. Horror horror.com See you later everybody. All right I say we take a break and if anyone is listening on the live server I'm going to play some<br /> <br /> =Letter E=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_e.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh It sure has been a long day.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :But there's still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What this does,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:11<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E F G, H i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u, v,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:27<br /> :w<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:39<br /> :Very nice big<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :like that. I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:49<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah Baa baa black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the dame. One plus one is two. That's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three. That three bags of wool. Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags throughout the county by itself<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:32<br /> :what about you Barry? How do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie That was beautiful.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:17<br /> :Yes. Let's all sing love Straub.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:32<br /> :See which way to go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:42<br /> :twin flame tween<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:56<br /> :night young well. Good night everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:19<br /> :Hey, wow, we took a 10 minute break and it feels like we're starting a whole new day. This is the ABC Alphabet ABCs of the alphabet show. Now ABCs of the last like the ABCs of the alphabet. That's my name now. Your name was as your brother would say. Very typical ABCs of hate or lost or something. Lunge was filth and yours was alphabet show. And I'm combining the two and saying this. This is the ABCs of the alphabet. And to to this show. It's not asked for stuttering it's E. E is the letter today. And Amy. Anything from E let's just start naming off a couple E's and we'll see what sounds the best. We'll go with the story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:14<br /> :Me first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:15<br /> :well just name off a couple of your ease dunking them up. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:18<br /> :The expo excrement air.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:21<br /> :No Expo. Let's not talk about personal stuff. And remember, okay, this is the ABCs of the alphabet. It's a I don't know how to describe it to you. To you. I say it's impromptu type of talk show radio internet radio show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:35<br /> :Impromptu talk,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:37<br /> :right? And this is volume one we plan on doing the ABCs of alphabet Volume Two possibly if this works out, well. Doug's we're gonna get to ask for sleep soon.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :And the only criteria of our subject matter is that particular letter of the alphabet,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :right? We just say whatever comes to our mind first excrement I Love Why don't love it but that we did talk about dirty sanchez yesterday. I guess we have a running VM which had the ABCs of shit or something because we had the anal we had the thing A and we talked about a finger corneum and he said a corn coming out of a hookers on a hookers finger and what else Dirty Sanchez for de that's the smearing shit on your lip and not on your lip but on your victims lip.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Talked about black women and cutting goalless or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :That's nice shed. Yeah, but that's not we're talking to excrement right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Oh, I thought we were just retracing, okay,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:37<br /> :yeah, she's implying that because they're black. It's like waking shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:40<br /> :I say AMI AMI<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :What do you guys ever eat?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:45<br /> :Well, I have Eazy E easy motherfucking Excuse me. And at the creep and ego dog what do you have for IE?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:56<br /> :I had another ad but I had Gien I thought<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:00<br /> :again right you know this is a I had him for je geen he's cool. But this is a good way to start the shows from now on since we're doing this right off the cuff we should just name off our list two E's and go with the most exciting because I got to say door sucked my dick for D when you said door my door Yeah, well you can talk to me about that any time I was like Door Door versus dad I gotta get dad ask open story any day man or something. But anyway,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:26<br /> :what else do you have for eat dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:30<br /> :Again, endowed you eugenics Oh, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :got to do that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:36<br /> :Yeah, and evil now? Yeah, that's in and times which I feel I have to explain you know, they did that whole and time series.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:45<br /> :I don't understand that. That's good. excrement, excrement and endowed are the running themes of the show. We it is the ABCs of film<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:54<br /> :anima should be in their animal excrement.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:57<br /> :Oh, you're right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:59<br /> :Why don't you start with one of your stories dogs and she seemed to have a good story there. For which one or I mean anyone jump in what do you want to do Amy? And times and times Amy's picking end times?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:10<br /> :You guys haven't heard anything about this? I don't know what the fuck there's like some fucking 15 book series out it just ended recently but written by two fundamentalist Christians all about the end times. Jesus comes back down to earth. Final book you know his bullshit it sells a lot it's like New York Times bestseller stuff it's filthy people love it and it's it's scary it's scary that a lot of people buy this this shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:40<br /> :you know I wonder why when we did be We didn't say book because Doug has to guide them bring up a book every fucking thing which is cool. I love that you are a bookworm. I love books. I don't have enough time to read them and that's cool. So n times explain more What do you want to is that it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:55<br /> :Well they actually did like a made for TV movie with fucking Kirk Cameron in it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :Oh Kirk Cameron the guy from yeah so I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:03<br /> :thought you would have heard of this you know he's a religious<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :you gotta wait why would we know about a pitch<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:09<br /> :because you guys seem to know about film because he had made for<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :TV but you keep implying we don't addiction or we'd know about Kirk Cameron<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :for TV when it came out on DVD<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:22<br /> :to cut you with the fucking knife K for cut at night image. It can be the que que que no Kirk Cameron yet Amy he was a really he's a religious coup.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:31<br /> :Isn't that the guy from that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:32<br /> :Right? wouldn't wouldn't start with the girl that was in Playboy, right? That's freaky. He's in this Christian movie and it was on ABC or major motion network or whatever. I don't really know. Amy was just talking about them trying to put God into TV more so it ties in with end times.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:50<br /> :There's some there's some pop star bitch I think she's oh shit I have no idea who she is but my brother sent me an article about her where she's bad mouth and Britney Spears for looking like a sloth and telling all her listeners that they should refrain from sex you know practice abstinence which is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :what that was Britney's sales pitch when she was doing all that shit for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:17<br /> :or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:18<br /> :no I don't think so. She like that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:21<br /> :No, no Mandy Moore is not like that. I don't think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:25<br /> :she'll maybe she'll they're peddling or is like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:29<br /> :I don't know but fuck them all.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:35<br /> :then times is that<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:36<br /> :it? Is about it<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:39<br /> :all right, well, the ease is gonna be for silence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:42<br /> :Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:45<br /> :enema now you well you haven't again story at least you get at least got it. One at Densmore. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:52<br /> :haven't had gained story. To admit to stealing the game stone I don't remember if I've done that on the air. I think I have. I'm not necessarily admitting to actually taking it. But I had a hand in obtaining the game stone. Let's let me let me phrase it that way. Well fuck it. I'll tell you I took the fucking thing. How about that? And it was for a good reason. I know it sounds crazy and odd for good cause Well, really, this is my I know this is maybe twisted, but it's not when you hear it. We go up I got to see at Greenstone right. And I've been there before, fun to go up and visit. It's always cool to go to Plainfield and have a slice of ham at the local place and pretend to eat and flesh and shit. You know, so it's cool. And, you know, Amy, we've been up the playing field before. It's a fun time. And creepy. Yeah, Amy, Amy's got a good story about playing field and stuff. It's fun. So I go up there, and I'm at the stone and it literally says, and you'll see pictures on my site evil now.com From time to time, and I saw gravestone rubbings of the head gain rate gravestone, and in the rubbing jewel even see a 666 carved in the head of the stone. Look over your shoulder, Doug, there's a rubbing 666 carved in it. Yes. And it said I masturbate to your picture every day written in big black mark on the front of the stone over this cross. And on top, it said something about worshiping again. And I was looking at it, I had a kick out of it. It was funny it see a syringe sticking out of the ground and whiskey bottle roaches, it was fun for me. But I look over my shoulder. I said grandma and a family and they're going to put flowers on their relatives grave. And I didn't like being there. Because I don't like to bother other people with my fun and games, really, I don't want to upset them in their eyes. They have every right to be putting flowers in the grave and respecting their dead relative and I feel sort of odd being there. But I understand that this game stone belongs to the world. It belongs to my world. It belongs to our world. You know what I'm saying? That right, Amy? It belongs we would enjoy seeing that we don't have any problem looking at that. And it's not. It's not like that those people had a problem see bikers over my head gains don't add gains get more visitors than, you know, people that are probably worthy, worthy folks, you know, productive individuals and their society. And so I said fuck it. I'm taking this out of here. They're going to cheer me as a hero. I'm going to take a Tabor parade leaving town.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Let's face it, you're getting the worst kind of people up there. If they're writing I masturbate to your photo every day and stuff. Like I have no respect for the people in the town. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:37<br /> :And I had some respect for hard working productive society they have there. And so I took the Greenstone out of there with a couple of drug addict Mexicans and you know, paid them five bucks ahead and you know, and they took it out of there with me and it was it was interesting to say the least, and about a month later it pops up on the news at games don't stolen. And you know, we had it. Amy. Where did we have that stolen for the longest time<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :in our van as the passenger seat? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:13<br /> :So it was interesting. A lot of our friends would have to sit on the cushion then they'd know that we're sitting on Edgar in stone and I made a ton of grave Robins not a ton but a lot of multicolored grave Robins which no one's ever really done with grave Robins. I happen to know this. trace the history of grave Robins I've never seen a multicolored grave Robin, but that again no one's had a grave Robin sit in their basement for months to play with. So it was cool a lot of friends came over and took photos with it at Gaines cool as far as serial killers go. I don't really console consider him I like a serial killer. Just a eccentric eccentric another E word. I just considered him an eccentric I mean he was<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:55<br /> :he was mostly digging up people really? Yeah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:57<br /> :digging up experimenting with dead bodies making furniture<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:02<br /> :skulls for soup bowls.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I think some of his kills were accidental really? Or you know misplaced you know I think he's like He was like a big bear that loved him so much he hugged them and just crashed him and crushed the spine or something he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :wasn't a big guy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:18<br /> :No but I'm I'm I mean to put it like you know like a bear would or friendly big person big retarded guy in a mindset we would hug and break you like Frankenstein you know with the kid the girl right? Girl and picked it up and just broke the girl in half you know that's that's how it was. And so I saw again as someone like that really not meaning to kill you just like Dahmer just didn't want you to leave. Yeah, didn't want to kill you. He just didn't want you to leave. Right You know, so that was at Dean.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:48<br /> :I know nothing about gains. Later years ago after he was caught his incarceration. I know nothing about oh, well that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :interesting in itself for sure. You know he's lived in a state like psychology war didn't talk much. You know?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:02<br /> :He's he they put him in psychiatric<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:05<br /> :Yeah, he was imprisoned in a mental institution till the end of his life<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :for like 35 years or something wasn't a real long time. Did he<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:13<br /> :have any public statements on you do a couple interviews<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :with police lawyers, stuff like that, but not much. I mean, at one point it was That's all he would tell people. Everything that's to be said has been said. And that's any Ollie would ever say to people who worked at the institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:28<br /> :Sounds like people we've been trying to talk to you lately. Yeah. Well, you<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:32<br /> :know what the Sheriff of Plainfield said, This is good. That Ed gain had the finest collection and nipples he'd ever seen.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:42<br /> :Was Was he serious that he'd seen more that he'd seen more than Ed's collection and nipples?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:48<br /> :I think it's possible in playing field<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :you know cutting off the nipples is sounding like it's really common remember that's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:56<br /> :that's a that's a fucking crime. You know, we get to and I plan on talking just about my nipples and waving them around for you. Yeah, nipples don't fight you next time<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:07<br /> :inspect your salami on your pizza. Especially in this neighborhood. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:15<br /> :II ego a what is that skinny puppy song starts with an E of somebody eviscerate or something like that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :No, you're thinking assimilate and that's a similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :you know, we should have never took that break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:29<br /> :so far<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:32<br /> :is we made it to D he's fucking crashing.<br /> <br /> 16:36 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :I thought I thought by now I'd be spouting off about eugenics.<br /> <br /> 16:41 '''Amy Bugbee  '''<br /> :Well, get spouting.<br /> <br /> 16:42 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Get spouting, bitch. Spout, bitch, spout. Where’s that timer?<br /> <br /> 16:53'''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :Now eugenics for those who are unschooled--<br /> <br /> 16:56 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Alright, I think we’ll play eugenics after Easy E.<br /> <br /> 17:00 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why not?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :I think we’re gonna play one song. You got Easy E in there? <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics, yeah yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :He’s a good case for eugenics. There you go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :He’s E.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Easy motherfucking E<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :I think it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:11<br /> :just one easy motherfucking II Eazy E E<br /> <br /> ==EAZY-E - Real Muthaphuckkin G's==<br /> 17:36<br /> [Intro]<br /> :Compton, Compton, Compton<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> :Ah, real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Verse 1: Eazy-E &amp; Dresta]<br /> :Ayo, Doctor, here's another proper track<br /> :And it's fat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper<br /> :And let that real shit provoke<br /> :See, you's a wannabe Loc and you'll get smoked and I hope<br /> :That your fans understand when you talk about sprayin' me<br /> :The same records that you makin' is payin' me<br /> :Motherfuck Dre! Motherfuck Snoop! Motherfuck Death Row!<br /> :Yo, and here comes my left blow<br /> :'Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and this is the season<br /> :To let the real motherfuckin' G's in<br /> :You're like a kid, you found a pup, and now you're dapper<br /> :But tell me, where the fuck you found an anorexic rapper?<br /> :Talkin' 'bout who you gon' squabble with and who you shoot<br /> :You're only sixty pounds when you're wet and wearin' boots<br /> :Damn, E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day<br /> :But Dre Day only meant Eazy's payday<br /> :All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the G Thang<br /> :But on his own album covers he was a she-thang<br /> :So, nigga please, nigga please<br /> :Don't step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :[Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known—<br /> <br /> [Verse 2: Dresta]<br /> :Every day it's a new rapper claimin' to be dapper than the Dresta<br /> :Softer than a bitch but portray the role of gangsta<br /> :Ain't broke a law in your life<br /> :Yet every time you rap you yap about the guns and knife<br /> :Just take a good look at the nigga and you'll capture<br /> :The fact that the bastard is simply just an actor<br /> :Who mastered the bang and the slang and the mental<br /> :Of niggas in Compton, Watts, and South Central<br /> :Never ever once have you ran with the turf<br /> :But yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt<br /> :But tell me, who's a witness to your fuckin' work?<br /> :So you never had no business, so save the drama, jerk!<br /> :Niggas straight kill me, knowin' that they pranksters<br /> :This is goin' out to you studio gangstas<br /> :See, I did dirt, put in work, and many niggas can vouch that<br /> :So since I got stripes, I got the right to rap about that<br /> :But niggas like you, I gotta hate ya<br /> :'Cause I'm just tired of suburbia niggas<br /> :Talkin' about they come from projects<br /> :Knowin' you ain't seen the parts of the streets, G<br /> :Think you started tryna bang around the time of the peace treaty<br /> :Wearin' khakis and mob while you rhyme<br /> :Little fag tried to sag, but you're floodin' at the same time<br /> :And your set don't accept ya; scared to kick it with your homies<br /> :'Cause you know they don't respect ya<br /> :So, nigga please, check nuts<br /> :Before you step to these motherfuckin' real G's<br /> :You might also like<br /> :Fuck Wit Dre Day (And Everybody’s Celebratin’)<br /> :Dr. Dre<br /> <br /> [Verse 3: B.G. Knocc Out]<br /> :Well, it's the Knocc Out, definition &quot;Original baby gangsta&quot;<br /> :Approach me like you hard, motherfucker, I'ma bank ya<br /> :Shank ya, with my fuckin' shank, if I have to<br /> :Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg are fuckin' actors<br /> :Pranksters, studio gangstas, busters<br /> :But this time you're dealin' with some real motherfuckers<br /> :G's, nigga please, don't try to step<br /> :'Cause if you do, then a peeled cap is all that would be left<br /> :See, young niggas like me will break you off somethin'<br /> :Claimin' my city — but Dre, you ain't from Compton<br /> :Niggas like y'all is what I call wannabes<br /> :And ain't shit compared to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> <br /> [Verse 4: Eazy-E]<br /> :I never met a O.G. who never did shit wrong<br /> :You tried to diss the Eazy-E, so now, nigga, it's on<br /> :You and your Doggy Dogg think that y'all hoggin' shit<br /> :Both of you bitches can come and suck my doggy dick<br /> :Beatin' up a bitch don't make you shit, but then again<br /> :Some niggas think it makes a man<br /> :Damn, it's a trip how a nigga could switch so quick<br /> :From wearin' lipstick to smokin' on chronic at picnics<br /> :And now you think you're bigger<br /> :But to me you ain't nothin' but a bitch-ass nigga<br /> :That ain't worth a food stamp<br /> :And at Death Row, I hear you gettin' treated like bootcamp<br /> :Gotta follow your sergeant's directions<br /> :Or get your ass pumped with the Smith &amp; Wesson<br /> :Learn a lesson from the Eaze<br /> :Stay in your place and don't step to real motherfuckin' G's<br /> <br /> [Chorus: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now<br /> <br /> [Outro: Eazy-E, The D.O.C. &amp; Dr. Dre]<br /> :Stop him in his tracks, show him that I am Ruthless<br /> :Yo, Dre! (What's up?)<br /> :Boy, you should've known by now: Eazy Duz It<br /> <br /> ==Eugenics==<br /> 21:44 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :One way or the other bad brother and that was easy to the motherfucker. And that was Doug Doug's not really into Negros. You know, that was fun. Yeah, you don't really like rap there, either. &quot;N&quot; is for &quot;Negro&quot;. We'll talk about that later. You know, I live with a Negro family. Ok. Eugenics. Doug at dysgenics.com . Doug is the king dysgenics guy there, or no, he’s the Overlord. I’m sorry. Overlord@Dysgenics.com is his email. Amy’s here with us. WhoreOfHorror. I’m Shane. Many websites. EvilNow, ThreeRingRadio, etcetera, etcetera. We are doing an ABC’s of the alphabet, and it’s an impromptu type of talk radio show, and the only thing that we’re starting off with is a letter, and we just go at it, and the first thing that comes to our mind, we rap about. So Doug had brought up eugenics.<br /> <br /> 22:57 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn’t work, and that you can’t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that’s a bunch of shit because we’ve seen horse breeders, we’ve seen animal breeders, we’ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there’s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that’s called deviation from the mean, and it’s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it’s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn’t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know...<br /> <br /> 24:08 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. “Oh, people will ask me...”<br /> <br /> 24:11 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :People will often ask me “How can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified... Who’s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who’s not?” You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y’know?<br /> <br /> 24:33 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :So you would decide?<br /> <br /> 24:35 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Why not?<br /> <br /> 25:36 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Why? Why is the real question.<br /> <br /> 24:38 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Well, I think there’s a certain set of rules...<br /> <br /> 24:40 '''Shane Bugbee  '''<br /> :Are you a painter? Do you make twelve thousand dollars a year?<br /> <br /> 24:42 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :We’re gonna get to that. We’re gonna get to that on &quot;G&quot;.<br /> <br /> 24:46 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What are your qualifications, sir?<br /> <br /> 24:47 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Right, right. My qualifications is that if nobody else is willing to decide, I will!<br /> <br /> 24:51 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :*laughs* Doug, I think this is why we like you.<br /> <br /> 24:54 '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :That’s right.<br /> <br /> 24:55 '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Doug, I think this might be why we like you. It’s not just your quirky look.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:07<br /> :It's kind of an E word. I-<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :Oh, wait, we've only got five minutes left. That's a start. You know, Doug almost told me last night. He's like, I go. So we started talking he started talking about I'm sorry to interrupt your eugenics. Doug has one eye got a no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:24<br /> :Oh my god, I got two fucking eyes and one's mangled and scarred. And that's it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:29<br /> :Okay. Okay, one doesn't quite work, right? It's not<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:32<br /> :like I got one in the center of my head.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:39<br /> :You're fucking wonderful. That's great. You're right. He has one broken eye. And the other night we're talking about college, but then he tells me he's to smoke some weed to help out with design. It was a good medicine help. We felt that right away went right to the spot. And you know, he felt not as fucked up as pills. And I said, so we're talking about I said, what? I don't understand what happened here. I really I wasn't asking what happened and I don't understand how this weed helped. I want to know what did you have cancer? The eye is the you know, poked out. You know, he's like, I don't talk about that. I don't tell anyone that. I'm like well, you're talking talking about you got them. I man you're talking about smoking weed for your bed. I said what's wrong? And I say why? You got bum eye? You know, like, oh, man, My knee hurts. How do you get a bum knee? How can you tell the weather with your bad knee? You know, someone's fucking broke my knee and a horse. Dog won't talk about as I come on, dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:36<br /> :I told you it's an injury. What kind of situation it doesn't. Oh, look, I don't tell you. I'm gonna tell whoever the fox listening. I mean, come on. Dad. It was an accident. I didn't you I didn't I've never even told my main<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:51<br /> :kids a fuck man yet. I'll tell you made a lot of things. Start talking<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:55<br /> :about that. No, no, no. Carry on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :No, really? Well, what's the big deal though? Really? Why is it so personal? It just wanted things. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:06<br /> :I don't I don't know. Something really embarrassing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:09<br /> :Yeah, like so I got it. If somebody somebody who's running with scissors, right? It's got to be somewhere he would be Pat failing his own eugenics test. It's one of those things where Okay, dude, if I tell you this, I would be put in the oven man. My own oven. My test. I failed. This is there you have all the qualifications to do the eugenics test now, because you failed your own test at some point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :I'm not that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:35<br /> :Did you stick your own electrical socket?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:39<br /> :Put my fucking eye in there. Yeah, there's your reason. I used to stick my eye on everything.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:47<br /> :Now the dogs are cool, straight shooter and he's a cool guy no matter what.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:52<br /> :Well, you know, did you ever hear about the one eyed prostitute and at the Everly club in Chicago? She had a glass eye and she would take it out so men could do the No way. Yeah, this was in like the 1880s this is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:09<br /> :well documented. This isn't what Amy's stories were you don't know whether to believe or not until you get to know her and, and you've seen the blood on Amy's hands up to her elbows. This is a real story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:19<br /> :Wow, this club was run by the release. I've heard of the Everly club man. Yeah, they had a one eyed prostitute there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:26<br /> :So Doug, we've got a job for you. Is that what happened?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:28<br /> :Are you a descendant?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :I can't take my eye out. I don't have a glass. I got my original parts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:35<br /> :But you have a detached retina right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:38<br /> :I had a detached eye it's detached a few times. And they had to cut out scarring and all that other shit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :I think you hit the scissor on the point. Amy when you said he asked me something so fucking stupid. He doesn't want to admit it. And he was experimenting on myself. I can make my brown eyes blue.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:58<br /> :The knitting needle was so beautiful. I want to look closer. Right<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :you know we got great. Two minutes let's come up with all the reasons<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:11<br /> :let's go on to another ie you got evil now at the beach Oh yes, the guy from that comic that was from there from like the gift box comic<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:31<br /> :his brother over breadsticks? Is that a good one is I like the I in the electrical socket. Dog is about storm out of<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :the fucking knife.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:44<br /> :Well there's eyelash curler No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:45<br /> :it's fucked up is the next one is F so I fear what Doug does with fat now. I'm setting the stage for fucking ritual abuse. Go ahead, Amy. Talk to talk to God.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:59<br /> :Ciao. Talk to me. Don't talk to me talk. Talk amongst yourselves. For feelings.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''30:11<br /> :I think we lost a friend. All right, this is the ABCs of the alphabet or something like that. We're just bringing up a letter and talk about stories. That<br /> <br /> =Letter F=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_f.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''[singer]  '''00:00<br /> A C D E F, G, H, I J, K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z. I just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me: A B C D E F G, H I J K L M N O P, Q R S and T U V, W X and Y and Z<br /> Happy happy all are we, now we learned our ABCs. Now we learned our ABCs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:21<br /> :Hey everybody. Yeah maybe Cs of, I can't still fucking remember what you said before - filth. Hey, F. We're on F this uh, this show. We're on F. We just finished up with I. We're on F and (Doug interjects: E) Oh, I guess (Amy: You're delirious) it wasn't I it was E - what a slip. Okay, we just, we just finished up with the letter E. And now we're on F. And this is a show what, it's like a talk show but the only subject we have here we just start off with the letter we toss the first thing that comes to our mind F. Oh I'm dead here I'm dead. We're gonna end the show with fat. I wanna start it with fat. Oh God, I am fat. Okay, yeah, so we can start with F there. Fat, I have, so we started the last show was pretty fun. We started with talking about a bunch of things and we just pick things to talk about. On E Doug had spoke about eugenics and he brought up Ed Gein for me to talk about, was good conversation. Amy, F, What do you have for F, I have I have my man Farrakhan. Fat of course, that's, that's my middle name. Fucked up - I like to get, and failure. Right next to fucked up. You know, I like to get fucked up and it makes me a failure sometimes. Amy, what do you have for F? Oh, I have fuck too. But that's just you know, I don't want I, again, I don't want to be cursed by Doug's brother. Or maybe we can get him on the phone for a couple of these shows. Because he's just gonna sit there. Very typical. Very typical. Not surprising. I think we have to introduce the audience to your brother now. You think he'll come on the air, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:27<br /> :I don't have his number on me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:29<br /> :Can you call your dad?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :''He'' doesn't have his number. Those two don't talk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Oh, I'm sorry. That's sorry. How about your mom?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:38<br /> :My brother doesn't talk to my parents.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Right on I like your brother. I don't, I didn't talk to my parents for 16 years. <br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:46<br /> Would that be a Feud?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> Feud, Family Feud, Doug! Come on. Give us a story. No, okay. Doug's like &quot;leave me alone. Fuck you, fatty&quot;. Come on, say it Doug. Come on Mr. Nice!<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:58<br /> :No, no no. Just, you know, the private shit and there's no reason - I'm a very closed individual.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:08<br /> :Well, we were talking about anal I forget what was it, no Dirty Sanchez. Okay, forget it. That was a couple shows ago.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Well, I was wondering about felching.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Oh beautiful, you do have the ABCs of filth on your mind, bro. Felching. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :No, I know but no, but well felching we I gotta clarify what what exactly felching is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :Felching is taking a straw and sucking the cum out of an orifice. (Doug: All right), isn't that it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :I don't know. What is it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:35<br /> :Felching is it was it started in the gay community, what, at least what they rumored is, you would cum inside the ass and then you would take a straw and suck that cum out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :That well. I think it also applies to there's a vaginal felching right...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Right, but that's where it started. That was the origins of the joke. The felch joke, but sure. Now that's a big deal in porno now. They do do a lot of that. Yeah, very erotic.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Oh yeah, it's a big turnon to people.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :It's not just the ass though it's also vagina. Oh, there was that great thing Clerks where they talked about snowballing. Remember, they kept talking about snowballing, and they were like, what's a snowball? It's like, oh, when a girl gives you a blow job, she she takes the load in her mouth and she spits it back in your mouth. It's something like that. They're like, oh, dude you've done that? You know, it's it was in Clerks. It was a funny scene, but reminds me of felching. (Doug: Yeah it's pretty bad) Have you ever felched, or been felched? Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :No, no, I got snowballed too un-, unwittingly. I'd have to punch the bitch.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:37<br /> :Really? You make them brush their teeth afterwards? There ain't no making out if they had your dick in their mouth,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:42<br /> :Right? Listerine first.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :Really?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:45<br /> :Yeah. I'm one of those dudes though. Like soon as I'm done I'll, I'll wash off first you know what I mean? <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:51<br /> :So you're washing your dick in the sink. Your dad comes in, grabs you by the head and says son that was from that was we watched the movie the other night Bully, and that was in the scene. We thought it was we didn't understand was the father raping him, loving him? What? (Doug: What was being implied?) Yeah, he's washing his dick in the sink. His dad comes in and says Son, I have an electronics store for you and grabs him by the face anyway. So have you've ever been felched?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:13<br /> :No, no. <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:15<br /> :Are you a felchee, or a felcher?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :I'm neither - none of the above.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:17<br /> :If you were in prison, and you really had no choice. What would you pick?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Oh, somebody would be sucking the cum out of me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:24<br /> :I see. So you're the ass-fuckee? Not the ass-fucker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:28<br /> :Oh, well, I guess you're right, that would imply I need to be ass-fucked.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :You are the ass-fuckee, buddy, you admitted it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :Well, no, I'm assuming you'd have to suck my own cum out. They'd have to have a straw up my urethra I guess.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Well, that's a whole new fucking... (Amy: Youch) Yeah. All right. Well, felching any other Fs there?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:45<br /> :Fisting.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :Oh, God you are- what happened, is it the pins, did the pins do it to you, fisting? We went over butter fisting though. Now Amy's a professional butter fister. Anyone would like to apply to be fisted? Male or female? I'm sure Amy will just stick a fist in any of you. Whoreofhorror.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:04<br /> You could put in an application.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> Did we all introduce each other this time? I don't think we did (Doug: Yeah it could be...) this is Doug. He runs a website called Dysgenics and it hasn't been run since 1988. (Doug: That's right). There's cobwebs on it. And you when you go to there. It's funny. You'll see these- the only thing he's done his brother put up these HTML style tumbleweeds that blow across it. It's really modern Flash. Flash of tumbleweeds rolling. And Amy does Whoreofhorror.com. A fabulous horror writer and lovely wife and a mother of my many books and dogs. You know, it's a wonderful life we have here and I'm Shane, evilnow.com Among other things, Michael, mycuntsonfire.com. And so there's our introductions. Amy, what do you have for us?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:54<br /> :Not much good. (Shane: Not much good?)<br /> I have something I can't read my writing. I don't remember what it meant. Fat food force fiends fuck factories fist fire and fill.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:05<br /> :Boy I love that right in a row keep saying it, I'm gonna take my pants off. What was the force? Or forced? e-d or force?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:12<br /> :You know, I just put force but forced either/or.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:16<br /> :I like that one. Forced, force?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:19<br /> :What about fire?<br /> <br /> ==Fire==<br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:21<br /> :Oh, fire. Your father was a fireman. That's great. We were talking a little bit about crispy critters, when we talk C. (Amy: That's true.) Talk to us about being the daughter of a fireman. I know being the husband of the daughter of a fireman has been a pretty creepy experience. Just to hear some of her stories growing up listening every morning at the breakfast table listening about how her father took burned babies, dead people out of buildings. That's what she grew up on. Amy, got any stories like why your dad quit the fire department? He just told us that really emotional story. And it was it was something a little touching.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:58<br /> :Well, he was eligible for retirement for a while, but he kept staying on and what finally made him quit was, he had gone to an early morning fire because firemen work 24 hours at a time so he would start work at like eight in the morning and get off eight the next morning. So I guess early the morning before his shift ended, there was a fire in this apartment. He went there. And the police were there and the mother this woman was there and she said that she couldn't find her daughter, that there was a fire in the closet, but the policeman had looked in the closet and didn't see any children. The mother had looked in the closet said she didn't see any children. A couple other firemen had gone in to look for her and didn't see her and I mean it's a closet you know, you would think it would be really easy to find a child in a burnt closet but in fires you know, nothing is as it seems and there's smoke and stuff like that. So my dad went in and looked around and carried the little girl out. And of course she was dead. And he put in his retirement papers that day and moved to Minnesota shortly thereafter. And read in a newspaper article a few years later that this woman had had another baby and done the exact same thing. So the little girl hadn't started the fire like they had thought. The mother had put the kid in there and lit the closet on fire to get rid of her and she did it to another child a few years later.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :No fucking way.<br /> <br /> 10:27 '''Doug Misicko  '''<br /> :See, and she’s probably had ten more kids. That’s what I’m talking about with eugenics. Fucking people should be sterilized.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:35<br /> :We're on F, motherfucker. (Doug: Yeah I know, but still.). You felching, fisting, fuck. Wow, that's- that's fucked up. For sure. That's, look, at fucked up for sure. Wow, that's that's crazy that she went on to start keep killing like that. That's that's. That's sad. What do you think after all those times of your father carrying out babies? I wanted to ask him this, but I couldn't because he seemed to be really upset by that, sorry. I wanted to ask him what was different about that one than the others? What do you think it was, just too old and sick of seeing it? Too many years doing that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :Well, yeah, I think it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, my dad, you know, before I go to school, my dad would come home from work and talk about stuff that had happened. And, you know, there were just so many stories like that, there was one where they went into an apartment, like a garret apartment, you know, an attic apartment that had burned and the guy and his children couldn't get out because they had put the refrigerator in front of the back door. And so they didn't, they didn't know anyone was home in the apartment. And my dad at the time was a lieutenant. And they're the first ones up the ladder. That's- that's the promotion you get after driving the fire truck. You get to be the first guy into the burning place. (Shane: Wonderful.) And so he went up in there and no one told them that there was anybody in there and so he was walking around and kicking toys and debris and he kicked some dolls out of the way and realized that they weren't dolls that they were children. And it ended up being seven kids and their father all in the apartment dead.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :Fucked up. F, our letter for this week. Thanks, Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :Sure! Well, that goes even beyond his own injuries and being airlifted to hospitals and helicopters and stuff like that. Yaknow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :This is a great Father's Day story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:25<br /> :Father F we're on the letter F we're doing a show. This is I'm Shane. Amy, Doug. One funny part to end the fire/fireman stuff on a rather funny note. F, funny sort of I mean, we watched this movie Backdraft once and I watched it with Amy, this was when we were first dating or maybe when we're first married. I don't know.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:46<br /> :We were first dating.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:51<br /> :Okay, and the firemen are all smoking in the movie. And I'm like God, what the fuck is this? You know, and Amy's like, Oh no, that's true. Every fireman smokes, they smoke like fucking fiends. And all of a sudden Amy pulls out this picture of her old man. Her father, F, and he's coming out of a fucking hole burned hole in the floor, smoke rising from the floor. Girl, you know, wood on fire in the background. And he's fucking smoking a cigarette. still burning building around him, smoke everywhere, smoking a big fucking cigarette. And you know, he had confirmed that they all firemen smoke crazy. Crazy man crazy. <br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:29<br /> :Maybe they all secretly have some kind of arson fetish too.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :A lot of them do. A lot of them are arsonists.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:34<br /> :I think that was part of the profile for like, you know, serial arsonist, they think well, you know, I think they do a profile. It says well, he's probably a fireman. You know...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:44<br /> :Yeah. I'm gonna tell her to let you in on something, maybe Amy will make me edit this out of the show. But you fuck with- you fuck with Amy or anyone in our family. All of a sudden something starts on fire. And that's your house? And that ain't no joke, so I ain't saying nothing else but, a couple people that have fucked with the Stockys all of a sudden their shit burned down.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:03<br /> :Hey, hey, hey, no last names. (laughs)<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :We'll bleep that out then. Fuck with Amy. And you know, whatever. They can't prove nothing, and they ain't going to. No, it's old old news.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:16<br /> :No, even some of the firemen my dad worked with (Shane: What are we playing for F?) were convicted for arson. They became firebugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:22<br /> :Yeah, so arson for sure firebugs, F. You know what after we play an F song here. I want to talk about food and fat these are something I'm obsessed with. I'm big fat lard ass. And I- we talked about addiction A and one of the things that I have, not an addiction but as a definitely comfort. I found is stuffing food in my fat face all starting with the letter F so fuck you. I've grown, you know. You know what? I have enjoyed eating though and I enjoy food and I gotta tell you I've got a really expensive bag on my fucking stomach here. bag of fat. I have to say I've got about 100 grand in fat because I eat prime rib I eat some good you know filets I eat salmon and you know really good meat and good food I don't just I could appreciate fast food but I don't eat a lot of garbage food like that. You know shit food. I make a lot of food at home. I'm trying to teach Doug, you know to be a man you have to know how to cook. At least a chicken, base something I mean, he's a vegetarian. He's going to eat bark soon.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:30<br /> :Yeah, I hardly ever even use the microwave.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :We actually have two. Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:38<br /> :Oh, oh Fields of the Nephilim or Faith No More.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:42<br /> :Ouch. That's a hard one. Faith No More is very cool. But Fields of the Nephilim I say we stick that one in. Have you ever heard them? (Doug: I don't know.) What. Oh, we ain't playing that fucking old school Faith No More. Oh, no. Here we go. Yeah. Fuck, Chuck. We know the deal. Who's producing..?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:02<br /> :Right...mic Ben?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:04<br /> :Oh, I just turned my own mic down and that my friend is a sin. I gotta figure out how they...<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:09<br /> :So if it was Mike, Pat and Faith No More who'd been on there. No problem.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:13<br /> :No, I wouldn't put Fields of the Nephilim I have a great. I have a great respect for Fields of the Nephilim not only because, anytime when we were dating, we used to fool around to Fields of the Nephilim so I like that- song eight. I like Fields of the Nephilim. I think they're a significant bend culturally. You read about them in interviews plenty. I mean, Amy turned me on to them. And like I said they bring, give me a sort of a pudgy because we always fooled around when you were dating and listening to Fields of the Nephilim so I think that was Amy's fuck music. Let me tell I think when she got you into her web, the fuck music came on. It was Fields of the Nephilim. I dig it though. But I think they were culturally significant because I'd read about them in articles about punk rock bands and death metal bands and black metal bands and gothic bands and industrial bands. And they all brought up Fields of the Nephilim and this, what's the gentleman's name that runs the band?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :Carl McCoy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:06<br /> :McCoy, what song am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :number eight, For Her Light. F.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:12<br /> :Oh look at you. For Her Light.<br /> <br /> ''[Fields of the Nephilim - For Her Light plays]''<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:15<br /> :Alright, we'll be back.<br /> <br /> =Letter G=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_g.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :D F, G, H, I J, K, L M N O P, Q, R S and T U V, W x, n, Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now, it's your turn. Follow me. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K, L, M, N, q, r s and t, v, w, x and y and z have had V all our way. Now we learn a, b c<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:58<br /> :now we<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:05<br /> :see Don't fucking Hey, Doug. Yeah, we're on now. And we're doing the letter G right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:21<br /> :Okay. Yeah, you could sip your soda pop, when?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:26<br /> :So what we started last night. You know, we're doing this in a couple of days. Oh, that microphones. And what we're doing is a half hour talk show. And it's the only I always say is what we call this yester, the ABCs of hate or filth and the alphabet show and it's basically a half hour talk show. The only thing we're going to start with is the letters of the alphabet. So we did A through F, yesterday. And we're going to do G through Z tonight. And we do a half hour we just say the letter and the first thing that comes to our mind when we say the letter G we start talking about and trying to tell stories and trying to tell stories. Well, we're gonna have to so we're on the letter G. And here comes Amy, she's late. Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :Lee G to G for I don't know, for Gary, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:24<br /> :Gary, Indiana. Holy fuck the shittiest shithole. Michael Jackson's shithole. And I don't mean the fun shithole. Amy knows all about Gary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :It's party spot. Real good place.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:39<br /> :Yeah. You know, we live we live right down the block from Gary. And I mean, like little 15 minutes from the murder capital of the United States. Detroit thinks they have that title. But Gary's taken that over and exceeded and that's full of steel mills, old steel mills closed down steel mills,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :and whole cities of steel mills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Do some talk and Amy, tell us about Gary. Gary's your GE.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:07<br /> :Is that my GE.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:09<br /> :You'd have a story about it. What else do we have for GE last night? Oh, yeah. Last night, we started to find my notes here. We started just by saying letter. You know, we started talking about what we had down for the GS or whatever. What do you have down Amy? Anything? I've got I know I had G spot down. But Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Yes. Gag gaggle. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :Amy will attest to that. I've never found the g spot so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :Oh, that's not true.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :If I found it, course, really? Of course.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:41<br /> :You'd still be married. Come on.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:47<br /> :If I found it or not,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :you told me you should be told these things. You know, I've<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:51<br /> :talked about it in detail. I thought we did. Haven't we?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :Did I have a glazed doughnut around my face?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:00<br /> :Maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :Maybe? I see you smoke some weed a me without me. And what is that with green? G smoke the green? My dad?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :Gregory Reed. Oh, Gregory<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:16<br /> :Reed. We pray we do we have his phone number.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:20<br /> :Oh shit. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I do.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :Let's Let's call him real quick. Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :Let me explain who Gregory is. Well then explain. Gregory is a self appointed expert in a cult crime. fuckface Yeah, he claims that there's a satanic cabal will start dialing murdering 1000s That year, second one there. And we call them the other day and we're calling them on his bullshit. He's saying there's a body pile being hidden by Satanists somewhere in Colorado. And we asked him for the location because we said we'd be glad you might. You might want to start 67 Because we call remember we He called him the other day. Anyways, they're gonna give him a call pretty soon. But he claimed also to have a 15,000 page dossier chronicling the crimes of the suppose it Satanists this satanic cartel, as he called it, and we call his bluff. We told him to fax it over to us. We told him to tell us where the place is in Colorado. We told him we were doing a story. We basically ripped him apart. Now Amy is going to do the follow up call. Yes, it's Gregory. Remember.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:32<br /> :You guys didn't prepare? You're doing<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:34<br /> :the fact checking. We claim he's a he's a pedophile. No, I have reached the number of Dr. Greg Reed with RCC see himself a doctor. He's not a doctor, and we found out he's a painter.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:54<br /> :Thank you. message is for Mr. Reed. My name is Amy Stuckey on. Location, my number is 219931.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:13<br /> :Okay. I couldn't even hear that. No, I can't hear anything that you're saying. Hello. Alright, keep talking please, dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:23<br /> :No. Well, anyways, what Amy was going to do is try to call Gregor Reid and claim that we had turned in an article about him that wasn't very complimentary, and we're gonna see what his follow up response was to her follow up questions. As to our accusations of pedophilia and all the rest and ignoble behavior and lying. Which I feel very strongly. Here's what he has done.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:51<br /> :Hey, Gregory Reid. It was fun talking to him. And when you hear the show that we did I get to what's wrong, Doug? I know.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:02<br /> :I'm lost without it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:06<br /> :There's no pad. It sounds good flying out your head.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:12<br /> :Is that a good sound? Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:14<br /> :it sound good. Gregory read them. It was cool. Well, we got him on the phone. I was asking him genuine questions. And he kept saying I can tell by your tone, where this is going. And I had no tone really. It was his own bullshit that Doug is whole. When you hear this interview, though. We played a little bit of it earlier. But when you hear it, it's funny because he, it he He lets us know that he's a painter. And he's a youth counselor. And I want to know why the cops would hire him to do any kind of occult investigation. So I asked him his top top five or 10 books that that he had gotten his education from because he said he didn't go to school for it. It's you and he's a doctor. Yeah, according to his daughter and he couldn't even name off one book. It was really funny. No,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:00<br /> :well, you named two after you really pressed him on it when he claimed there were hundreds and one he mentioned we had already mentioned is being bonk and another one was just a common book called bookshop staple called Black Magic by Kevin dish, which really doesn't tell you anything about a satanic cartel. Gregory reads<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :barely a G so let's get on with the G for garbage. Anything else? Come on? It's boring. GGL and GGL. And now that's exciting. Fucking Doug's the guy who suggest door for D and Gregory read for G Gregory Reed being boring and falling asleep here. GGL and that's cool. Where's my jeep? Did we ever find a Ggm city? No, we<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:42<br /> :never did. We found the case but it was empty.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:48<br /> :And I guess that's my fault.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:51<br /> :It's just one of those things that happens.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:53<br /> :Maybe we can just throw shit at each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :I like that men are being dip in pretended ship. Yeah, go get the beans. Yeah, well, gee, Jalen was great. I did the GGL and I got a G. Jalen story.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:06<br /> :You have a good GG Allen storage one about when you used to write to him and talk to him. Yeah, so I used<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:12<br /> :to write to GGL and longtime guys through a zine and GGL and we are corresponding before he went to prison and after he went to prison you know when you're in prison you really looking for people to call and so he would call me collect all the time. When we talked for a long, long time and he did the his the ggsN manifesto, I think it's called G Jalan mission. He wrote that for me, it's circulated widely now but that was written for my zine naked aggression. Originally, the met his mission statement, and the one thing I remember about his phone calls, he'd always talk about his people. Fucking people. They don't want to get close to me they want to get the day you want to hang out and they get too close to the fire and they get fucking Burn, baby burn and I I just remembered that when he got out of prison, he invited me down to the show they had, he had a couple of shows in Chicago. He's like, hey, why don't you come down and you know, have some beers and hang out and I said, Dude, I'm not getting too close to the fire, man. It's good to him, right? Not at all. And later on, I had met a gentleman by the name of Mark facula, Hayner. And fabulous was real name, too. And he had toured with GGL and did a video did some video, Gigi Allen. And he talked about the time his it was funny, he thought, because why I hung out with GDLs. And then one time he got drunk in a hotel room, and he tried to rape me, and I go, Well, tell me about it. He's like, dude, he jumped on top. He's fucking beat my head. He's like, he was punching me really beat my ass and trying to get my pants off and eat his pants off. Ggm was naked with a hard on fuck and trying to rate Mark Haner and it was really fun. Like, what happened? Mark and he looked, he started you know, that time when you could tell someone's lying when they pivot their eyes, you know, they don't look in the eye marks like well, I got out of their course. I kicked him in the head and ran out of the room. To me, when I heard that story right away, I said, dude, penis touched hall or something like, like, I think there was more than I think his pants may have came down man and say actually raped him? Because he did follow through with the tour.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:13<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:14<br /> :well, maybe you do, though. I mean, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:16<br /> :I don't think Gigi wasn't actually a big guy was he?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :I don't think Mark Haner was any<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :crazy fucking skinny Fox like you got to worry about because they got nothing. They just go crazy. It's called retard strength.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:28<br /> :All right, well, well, and I would I would obtain retard strength. Somebody's trying to rate me. Rob, wouldn't you? Fuck yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:36<br /> :Right. So I think it's retired strength. I think GGL and had retired strength from the get go.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:41<br /> :I guess so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:42<br /> :I don't think Mark had retired strength.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:45<br /> :I think Mark had a confusion in his mind. I want this. But he is a hasn't showered for days. That's torn between two lovers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:57<br /> :Like a full it's all fun and games. Still somebody started throwing shit,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:00<br /> :or pokes their eye out.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:03<br /> :So I'd never go to a GG show. We've already got one base covered.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:08<br /> :Here. All right. I remember him touring and thinking that might not be the show to attend.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:14<br /> :Oh, hell no.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:15<br /> :I found the Gege. Excellent.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:17<br /> :Jalen. Or George or George Michael? Didn't the<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:23<br /> :Secret Service visit you because of GG Allen?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:27<br /> :Story. That's why I asked which one I couldn't remember. Yeah. Okay. So I got the I Am. I'm one of the people that you can tell you've met. Okay, you met me over the radio here. But I got a visit from a secret service. And it was after GGL and wrote the mission statement for naked aggression. He had also come up with a single I think on the other one, but he has a single called kill the president. And it is it was like kill the president fuck the<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:54<br /> :pig. Hey, that's a it's quite a concept. Right? Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:59<br /> :He, he going to put the CD out real quick. He had this this the site. So I get this. He puts it out. I have a review of it magazine. And I think I was running an ad for him for the same day where the Secret Service is looking for GGL and right before he goes to prison, and they come to a house. I'm living at this little Italian lady's house, on our couch in the basement. And the secret service comes there to question me. And it was wild why it was really fucking scary man because they are like the Men in Black they had the black suits and the black glasses. And after they talked me for a while they understood I was just you know, kid, no harm, no foul. So the intimidation tactic stopped they laughed a little. And I'm like hey, that's really cool car and I'd ask him something to come on here and check out the trunk. It was like an intimidation tactic. A cop is trunk often and it's before home computers now I'm talking this is before the big home computer explosion This is what tech technology wasn't as it is now I wouldn't be so freaked out today had I've seen this there was literally a whole trunk full of computers and shit like that with like dot matrix printers paper you know paper the one off all TV I like TV screens in the middle and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:17<br /> :like they're running an office from their trunk.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:20<br /> :Yeah, like they can run your fucking name you know and shit and get your whole fucking family burden that they had the shit right there and I was like, you know, it was it was it was there the tours that the tools will take you down right? But<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:34<br /> :imagine now how much more advanced they are.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:37<br /> :Well now you gotta make netic strip on your ID.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:40<br /> :I took a money order to a currency exchange and they took a picture of me like a retinal scan or something<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:47<br /> :that's fucked up because our IDs weren't even meant to be like National ID cards like they're used for now use but they're not you know, used to identify it was meant to be just a driver's license to license you to drive not to identify you Due to law enforcement<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:02<br /> :it's really scary and it's a law not to carry one right. Some kind of identification.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:07<br /> :Yeah I think so. I think I think in some states even if you're not the one driving you get pulled over you don't have any form of ID over a certain age I think they can screw with you I think they can pull you in and check you check I could be wrong but I mean, if I am wrong now I will not wrong for now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:29<br /> :Stick around just like income that was supposed to be temporary. Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. That's right that when the<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:44<br /> :how do you feel about Greek openings?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:47<br /> :Are you talking about our film opening my Greek wedding? I loved it my Fat Greek Wedding I'm fat man. I love ask why Greek as an ass, but I know that I have Greek friends and they all say you got a Greek time that was malefactors of digging in each other's asses marriage and religious thought The fucker like mad. I think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :that's what they're notorious for. They say a Greek person is somebody who believes in widening the circle their friends. What was the definition of a Greek person supposed to be somebody who believes in widening the circle their friends<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:26<br /> :wide<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:30<br /> :gopher hole and ever hear it go for home again a gopher hole and it's like if you really got to take a shit real bad and it's just kind of peeking out. Or if you just kind of putting your head in a little bit, you know your gopher hole. Just a little bit, a little bit in the hole or a little bit out of the whole year gopher hole on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:49<br /> :the Urban Dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:51<br /> :And another of your entries in the urban dictionary. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:54<br /> :didn't in fact I haven't looked it up there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :That's one of his accomplishments in life.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Sunday 1000 years all your words will be in the regular dictionary.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:06<br /> :It's true. Webster soon enough<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:09<br /> :instead of Greek or Roman origin it will be dubbed<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:16<br /> :gastronomically? I don't know I don't have any anecdotes that are gastronomical.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :We're talking about baking soda. Baking soda whoever use baking soda and warm water,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:33<br /> :warm water, warm water<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:37<br /> :you mix a little baking soda in with some warm water like I said warm<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:47<br /> :warm warm, warm southern<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:51<br /> :Gary Indiana accent<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:03<br /> :but baking soda and warm water will help my gas like better than everything and you know who will agree with me on this. We hit it off famously after we said we both you guys talking to James<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:16<br /> :on the phone nobody noticed the a guest yesterday<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:22<br /> :I did the James always brother had had we we got a lot of famous after we agreed that we use baking soda and warm water get rid of our gas<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:30<br /> :partners was that it was a common Yeah, it was a common linkage there, huh? That's why you talked to him for gastronomical advice.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:38<br /> :I do love getting advice from people like that but he was an old man he was a good was cool. He was uh he invited me to James always funeral. You know if I could have done anything that was the one thing I'd like to write down and regret not doing that because it's such short notice. When I heard he died I call his older brother in the funeral. Good to go to the guy accused of shooting because I really didn't think he was asked before.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:03<br /> :We're supposed to go down there like the week before he died. We had plans because Shane had been talking to his brother. And they had found common ground the baking soda and warm water use.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:18<br /> :For hours about me, I'm a special kind of guy and let's just talk about Gee,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:23<br /> :are you brought up games or alrea? I know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:25<br /> :you I think really? Yes. I don't<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:30<br /> :know James Roy. Do you remember the story Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:32<br /> :brought up Gabe and she was looking at me. And I just didn't go that's it. Why do you why do you think gay guy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:40<br /> :I don't know. It must be the club thing. Yeah. And the butterflies discussions, the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:46<br /> :butterflies discussion.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:47<br /> :Do you know the story of James Earl Jones getting presented the plaque for like Black History Month<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:56<br /> :you know, it was some guy<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:58<br /> :you know it was you know They said it was a mistake but somebody on his last day of the job was pissed his job or something was the good one. The nugget that's for bringing<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:12<br /> :the fucking showdown<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:15<br /> :cheating charge in the green.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:19<br /> :So you're more fuckable and I don't mean in the physical right? I could fuck with you more in your store. I see. Yeah, we want to play a song. Or we're not playing which would undress but we have a choice from here's some GGR and this is after CD freaks baguettes drunks and junkies my revenge Yeah, we can play my revenge. Dope money. Be my fucking whore. Suck my acid smells. dog shit. Wild writing<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :place suck my acid smells and honor Abba. Mark gainers near<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:55<br /> :me off all the songs. That's a good suck. My acid smells dodgy. But what I'm interested in, in playing actually is the one that number six is called Wild writing. I wonder what he's writing? I've never thought to play subgraphs it's mostly the obvious one but wild writing. Could you imagine Gigi talking about riding a horse or something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :He's riding Hayner maybe it's dedicated.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:18<br /> :Sleeping in my piss. And when we get to wetting the bed I'll talk about sleeping in my purse. Antisocial masturbator that was written for me. last in line for the gang bang also written for me die when you die, which is one of my favorite GGL ins. commit suicide. I'm not telling you to do that but it's a song. crash and burn. Outlaw scum fuck which is also one of my favorite GM sayings. Caroline and Sue Conte sucking cannibal Oh, here's another one that for one family 16 Family young little meat that works for you. That has all the age restrictions written down girls in every country you know if you go to Sweden you get 13 year olds legally correct is that after that I want to kill you and my bloody mutilation so what do we play? You want suck my ass and smell hating? Suck my acid smells Amy we want to hear<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:23<br /> :I don't know you're the expert you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:25<br /> :the DJ alright I'll do what I think we'll just go with the you know I'm gonna play a little bit of that. Here it sounds like while fighting just for a joke shits and grins as they say in Hammond.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:33<br /> :Everybody<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:42<br /> :died everyone's afraid what happens<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''23:58<br /> :want to talk about now he doesn't know that stuff knocking straight to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:27<br /> :the horse and I don't care. You can set what you want to say about<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''24:42<br /> :the guy whiskey by the doubt Santa will get some nights and shale. So crunchy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:06<br /> :Everybody stop chronic<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''25:44<br /> :GGL<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:52<br /> :dug, pull your pants back up and quit your weapons ship<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:57<br /> :wasn't he put in his coffin with his pack in his hand?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:00<br /> :Yes. went out of style.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:05<br /> :No, he went out puking on his. Are you choking on his own puke? Danny? Yeah. He was supposed to kill himself on stage. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:15<br /> :no, he had a heroin overdose vomit, you know all that stuff. Wow.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:21<br /> :Heroin. Yeah. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:23<br /> :so why he left us all disappointment he didn't kill himself on Halloween on stage. He disappointed everyone. It was great.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:30<br /> :Yeah, you know, I guess it still fits<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:33<br /> :everything. Jesus you know Jesus Jesus, man. There's you can't fuck with him either. His philosophy is stage show nothing. That's what's wrong with the fucking youth of today. They have no GG Allen to look at what an extreme is some dude who punched cops in the face when we did the expo. All right. We're gonna end we have two minutes here. When we did the expo the extreme number two, we had a band play called bad luck. 13 right experience, experiment extravaganza. And they came out and they do like fake wrestling and hit each other with ball bats with nails and kill rats and all this shit on stage. Right? Well, because the cops were there. They decided to do this protest where they laid on the stage and act like they're asleep and and play. They didn't do their normal show because we had a lot of cops and stuff like that. And the guy came up to me EliteSingles Yo, this is sort of lame, dude. We expected to be able to do what we wanted. And I said, expected to do what you wanted. And I said isn't GGL and your big role model guy? And he goes yeah, and I go GGL would have said fuck off to these cops. He would have flunked shitting their face. The show lasted about 30 fucking seconds and there would have been a riot. And that's what GG down did and I booked people on the show like you to fucking kill cops to kill kids to smash the fucking venue down burn the place to the fucking ground. Dude. You should have brought guns out and started shooting. I don't give a fuck. Where was your GGL in spirit then motherfucker you laid down on your back like a bitch. The guy looked at me and he they're bigger dudes. And they're scary dudes. And they looked at me and they looked at their guard. They said, You know, you're right. And they knew I was right. And you're gonna say Gigi and your role model then you better fucking be ready to have a 32nd show. Because that's what Gigi Allen shows were they were fucking two minutes, man. They were 30 seconds. When he went to friendly situation when there were no cops. He's in a punk rock bar and he fucking to his show. They wouldn't last but two songs because he started throwing shit and the bounces were beating his ass and he's fighting them smashing bottles on their head. I mean, it was a riot man. He couldn't fucking play anywhere. Seattle was the shit. Quite literally. We have one minute left. So Geez government, fuck him. Burnham guns, government and guns. Exactly. And God, I have this great Malcolm X speech where he talks about it's the ballot or the bullet. It's the Year of an election is we need to vote with the ballot or we need to vote with the bullet. I think we need to vote with the bullet. And if this is Malcolm X speaking, of course, I do not endorse any kind of assassination attempt. Or any kind of Amy's gonna have to get us in trouble again. Right?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :I do. No, no, I learned my lesson.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :No, but this is coming from Malcolm X. You know, it's, I'm talking about history here. Okay, just quoting him quoting right. I could quote Doug Wright endorsing was quoted by quoted dog on what he says off the air. He'd get a visit from the Secret Service and I wouldn't be as special.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:20<br /> :All right, I get more than a visit. My real beliefs were known. I think I'd get more than a visit. I wouldn't see what those beliefs are. But<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:29<br /> :hey, we do know what we have. 15 seconds. I'm Shane evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com. And that's Amy from the horror of horror.com. Check us out and tune in next time for the letter H that's a good one. And oh, make sure the catch the letter. Tony, Spock you hey, go. So I'm going to count I'm gonna wait a minute, Amy while you do this. I'm gonna start the next one and it's just gonna do a Giving<br /> <br /> =Letter H=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_h.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:01<br /> :Because you see, it's about a friend of mine. He's from Detroit. And I'm gonna tell you something about him. He's crazy. Why? If you dare him to do something he'll do it provided the money's right. Jesus Christ. I remember the time was in this pet store. We met him at Dollar. He wouldn't met the heads off on them little white rats. He did it. I said, Damn. What would you do for $2? He picked up two more and he beat the head off. Ah, one of them. I laughed so hard. I nearly threw. I said Jay, you the craziest bastard I've ever seen in my entire life. He said that so Kay I'm $3 richer to NAS all those important to him. Ale I remember one time at this party, and we dared him to pee in the Punchbowl. He did it. CJ can be a real ass Oh sometime. But it weren't no big deal to him. Because he could pee right on cue. Are you believing they ship? Cars if not you kiss my ass. I Guaran damn tee you is true<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:50<br /> :remember one time we bet him he wouldn't make love to this girl that had VD for $10 He said hell if you double your money. I'll make love to her brother. He would have done it do except we didn't have $20 playing the six. Now why Jay did this year I'll never know. Because when it comes to getting poontang he got zero. This has been<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :done, Doug. Amy, you're not going to be happy. When you hear what I played in front of this alphabet show. I play Jeff Foxworthy. The Redneck alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:38<br /> :That man is not funny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:40<br /> :and it's really stupid. Oh really. But you know, that's what happens when you're downloading stuff and just put ABC at alphabet and then whatever. But this is the ABCs of the alphabet or the alphabet of ABCs or the ABCs of filth and or the alphabet show whatever we don't really have a name it's a concept and all our topic is all we do is start this half hour internet talk show with the a letter and this week or not this week but this show is the letter H don't look at my age his motherfucking jerky change your<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:16<br /> :cheater hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:20<br /> :god dude don't talk about my name on the weekends don't ever tell people that you call me I'm fucking Saturdays again. The you know the mics are on duck.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:29<br /> :Okay, well there's right okay good well your stage now go away.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:34<br /> :Carl. Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :it's one Doug shaved my chest<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:40<br /> :all right actually there's debate as to what a proper hot Carl is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:43<br /> :what is a hot car and why are you all into the film stuff? Are you reading all my pins?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:48<br /> :You do have a hot girl pin no I have holiday Sanchez<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :it's like you're ripping off the idea that all your words from my own fucking pins and I don't like it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:57<br /> :all right, go ahead. You talked about you talked about your hot Carl what is how do you give a hot Carl<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :listen I am i Car know what is hot car<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:07<br /> :what hot Carl's a scat sex act it's got to do a shit<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:12<br /> :with you dude.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Is it when you eat too many hot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:14<br /> :peppers. See that's the debate the debate is some people say it's it's when you put plastic wrap over somebody's face and then take a shit on it. Some people say that is in fact actually a Cleveland steamer. Or as other people say a hot Carl is is got. Anyway you caught it. Somebody's taking the shit on somebody else. Some people say it's when you break up with somebody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:36<br /> :That's me pulling some weed out of a baggie. And then this is a letter H for Hi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:41<br /> :I'm sorry, Doug. Well, okay, you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:43<br /> :want to hit me? No, no getting mad interrupting you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:46<br /> :I am. It's here comes the hot Carl. Now it's when you other people say it's when you leave and you shit on somebody's belongings before you go. No, I'm leaving tomorrow. You know what The train leaves tomorrow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :That's funny. I had someone shit on my windowsill one time in my apartment and no one would own up to it. They all blame the dog.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :You know, that's a story I'd never heard but you definitely had a hot car. Oh, poor form that you didn't Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:18<br /> :It just was sitting there in the windowsill and it was a second storey apartment. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:23<br /> :that's that's hot. As Paris Hilton Nicole Richards say that's hot.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:27<br /> :I should have neighbor's doorstep before really I lived in like this apartment complex one floor kind of thing. You know, separate buildings that I was working late night shifts and this person playing music very loud all day and I'd always beat on the wall. But they'd start early. They start at like 6am You know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:47<br /> :I don't understand where you beat it on the wall just on a different time. Or did you be on a wall because they played well because they're playing music.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :Music<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :I'd beat on the wall. It was a perfect relationship. Couple.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:01<br /> :So one night, I really had to take a shit. So I just went over there and I showed on their doorstep and the loud music did stop I think they put two and two together. And what was funny is it was kind of hard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:12<br /> train horn rage. Horn. Right? You missed it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:16<br /> :It was kind of a busy street. You know, I was squatting there taking a shit and anybody could have driven by and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :saw tissue or anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:25<br /> :I took a few with me and then I finished the job when I you know, I wasn't I guess I wasn't. I wasn't thinking clearly enough to stick the US tissue on the door. Also there would have been there would have been a distinct message to it. I should have written on him beforehand. Fuck you, you know and stuck them. Why did you deal with ah, we went from hot Karl.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:46<br /> :I know you keep reverting back to shit and assholes and I dug Carl dog I'm sending this CD to a psychologist and I'm gonna have analyze your fucking life. But you know what you hear this?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:56<br /> :I don't need to be analyzed<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:58<br /> :shit taught coming from a dog though who says he's never touched another person's butt or had his own touched.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:05<br /> :I'm sipping a cup of hot coffee hot. Ah, I know that's not the good age like hot Cairo but I'm having hot coffee. And I'm going to hear this. I'm going to try to get as high as Amy but I don't know if that can ever be achieved from the hookah from the hookah. Doug's disgusted from the hookah dug straight edge freaks dug straight and he just wants everyone to consume more and more until they all explode and fat bubble<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:32<br /> :dad like everybody getting higher on me. It's cool.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:36<br /> :Oh God, Jesus Christ. We missed that for gas where I would have<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:42<br /> :was that a busted Daisy? We learned yesterday.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:46<br /> :I did not bust the daisy. And you know what, Doug? That's true. We're talking about the shit and Angel stuff from a guy who's never had a finger up his ass. And that's not you know, I know that sounds like you know, Hey, dude, you've never had a finger up your eyes. What? You could have least slipped your own finger out that one time I think you have you know that? You know the frozen hotdogs story and every high school there's a frozen hotdog person.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:07<br /> :Yeah, it all started with me. One frozen hot dog every high school. This is ah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:13<br /> :we need some eight stories. Amy What are your H words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:17<br /> :Well, of course horror. I have highpass accuracy home in Hammond homes and home.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :I love it. Well, what do you want to you want to you want to say Doug's been spouting off about something?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:31<br /> :HH Holmes. That's Triple H.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:33<br /> :Zack was thicker him. Welcome.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :Say that guy is 100 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :Good serial killer but who gives a fuck? Let's get some kids. Or something to go further. Some goals out there. To 300 dead. Ah, ah, anything else? Your horror, horror of horror. Speak up. Let's hear a story about horrors or something from the horror. Well, we<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :watched a couple of horror movies just today.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:59<br /> :Yeah, they were cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:00<br /> :So watched had had<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:02<br /> :the monkeys had the best fucking movie in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:05<br /> :Wow. We were preparing and we didn't even know it. Yeah, never<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:09<br /> :seen the monkey's head dog. Just watch the tape. And this was the first time you've seen a dog. Give an honest review min.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:16<br /> :Ted I thought it was I Well, I'm not sure what movie it was. I mean, I'm not sure what year it was. But it seems well. Well, well before it's time. It seems like you know something like Oliver Stone was probably inspired. Yeah. Yeah, it was very avant garde. It kind of you watch it and it kind of goes it almost seems like it goes nowhere, but it's one of those things you keep watching anyways seems like it's going somewhere if you walk away if you like you're gonna miss something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:43<br /> :sort of like the theme song that they have there. Just when you thought it over the beginning might begin or something like that, that should be saw. And so did you have any respect for the beetle or monkeys? Oh, bad note beetle. Oh my god. I'm a monkey's fan too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:58<br /> :Well, before I saw it, you Before you start, what<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :do you think of the Monkees?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:01<br /> :No, I always thought what I heard of them that they were just put together as kind of like, a corporate answer to the Beatles some What do you think after you saw that? Yeah, they they obviously weren't, they obviously had their own ideas and their own thoughts, and they seem to mock themselves a lot, at least the image that they were portraying before that a lot, you know, like I what I made of the in one point in the movie, they're playing on stage. And then when they leave the stage, they become these mannequins that are being torn apart by the crowd. And I thought that was very indicative of how they felt of how they're being treated, how they're being portrayed, and how they're owned and know how they're supposed to be these plastic games.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:40<br /> :For age, I do my duty dog do you do yours?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:45<br /> :And it had so many weird little second, like sub stories and plots, you know, like it was really a strange film.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :I like had in more than one way Oh, it was found about getting head is that and this should we I wish we would call the circumcise guy, but I know I noticed since Amy's turned me on to nipple play. I really enjoy my nipples, almost as much if not more than head what? That's in No, we're talking about head and I'm comparing the two I used to really love head but my nipples are so much more sensitive than my penis. And I think it's because I had a circumcision. You know, I think they cut off that feel and the feeling how your nipples feel is probably how your penis would feel it would feel so much better if I wasn't circumcised. I think I wouldn't I will never know that but I really wish I could see my parents and I you know, but that I guess that circumcision, which is we've missed that one. That's the Volume Two of our, our ABCs of hate and filth in the alphabet show that we're doing here. Which is I'm Shane.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:46<br /> :And I'm Doug. And I'm Amy<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:49<br /> :and I run evil now.com Among other things, my content feiyr.com Three Ring radio.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:55<br /> :and I own the domain name dis genex.com Well, actually, oh, that explorer. Yeah, there's something<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:02<br /> :can we well, we live in Hammond, Indiana on Holman on home and if you ever have ever seen the Christmas story that's home in Indiana, which is really Hammond Indiana, he just changed the street name and stuff. And he being Jean Shepherd. But Amy, any Hammond stories Hammond where we live we're broadcasting now is where A Christmas Story The movie is written about this is this is this is the area.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:28<br /> :Exactly. Yeah. Christmas Story, summer story. And then there were a bunch of other movies that Matt Dillon started that are really good to that Phantom of the open her<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:40<br /> :heart was Matt Dillon. Middelen<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:43<br /> :you're cowboy. You don't know who Matt Dillon is? We are old. I think Amy like that's out of his timeframe. That was the eight years he was still fucking into Mama's womb or something. His ball sack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:56<br /> :I'm not good with names of actors and everything else. I've never actually even seen drugstore cowboy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :Have you ever seen the outsiders? No,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:05<br /> :there was no there was like what Junior High girls like I thought was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :wrong. No, it's a good it's a good movie. I like that shit. I'm not a junior. I grew like to say I'm a fucking hit. Yeah. Ah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:16<br /> :For hit you ever seen over the edge? That's a great movie. It's like his first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Yeah, over the edge is fucking snow or cold man. Really? He's a different generation though. Doug's a youngster, man.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:28<br /> :Sorry, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:29<br /> I'm trying to think of a recent movie. He's been in<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:32<br /> :high school. Ah, I bet you we all have good high school story. Oh, fuck, but we only have five minutes each. Cool. We’re gonna play High on Fire. Which song are we gonna play, Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :Oh, you know. They’re all three good. I don’t know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:42<br /> :Just pick one. Let’s see. What are the names?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :“Blood From Zion”, “Ten Thousand Years”, or “Master of Fists”.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:51<br /> :Master of Fists.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee'''<br /> :Alright, number three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :What do you think, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:55<br /> :I don’t know. I kind of like the idea of blood from Zion, ‘cause that would make it go over there...<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :For Zion, or from Zion?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Stocky'''<br /> :From Zion.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee'''<br /> :Ok, that’s it, How about you, Amy? Are you gonna say...<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko'''<br /> :Bleed them dry.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:04<br /> :I'm not gonna go with the only one that didn't get picked<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:07<br /> :as a good we'll just play the whole city and forget the fuck the show. will play. Is that one,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :one. Let's start with one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :Cool, high on fire. And let me let me let your kids know. This is from a demo literally hearing to a demo before this was not released. So you hear an unreleased high on fire. You You know I'm gonna pause that song. And I'm gonna tell Doug the story about high end fire. Let me hear okay, so high in fire they play this expo they're great great music musicians and Doug you've never heard high in fire right? Never. So we turned up the speaker here and Doug is acting like he's mocking my metal this and so I have to explain to him how God like high on fire is so high on fire. They write this album called Jerusalem, this album, okay, it takes them a year to write, dig, they go out to the desert in this little hut and write the song. They write the song on the walls of the hut. It's one song it's 80 minutes long. It took them a year to write. They do it in one take and record it perfect. It's a great job. But it doesn't impress you.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:22<br /> :I'd have to hear it I guess. I mean, but isn't that cool? That is cool. I can see an album like that being good. Well, you're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:28<br /> :gonna hear some high on fire right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:29<br /> :Well, that's one of the that was sleep though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :Yeah, that was sleep. That was a bad sleep. That's a different band. But<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :Pike is like the leader of med pikes like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:39<br /> :a rock out he's like a Jimmy Page or some shit man he'll you know in the history annals of metal or rock and roll he will be known as one of the great guitar players and you're in do the faggy skinny puppy type stuff which Amy said the thing about skinny puppy is the bad thing about skinny puppy is there's just no heterosexual dudes there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:02<br /> :And I proved heterosexual and it's right at the<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:05<br /> :maybe that's why you felt so strongly about proving heterosexual stuff.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :No, just a lot of gays gravitate towards and desert.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:58<br /> :Right<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:00<br /> :All right?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :My son,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:18<br /> :same was what was that Amy? Matt pike from high on fire, communicated with our turtle and told us its name.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:28<br /> :So the turtle told him what his name was.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:31<br /> :Yep, he was over having pizza with us and he asked what our turtles name was. And we said no name had stuck. So he sat there for a few minutes and about a half an hour later, he said, your turtle just told me. Her name is Myrtle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:51<br /> :Myrtle of all things turtle ever said. Isn't that a Dr. Seuss book? Myrtle the Turtle?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:58<br /> :I don't know. It could be. But Matt Pike is cool.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:02<br /> :All right. I don't I don't doubt that it's name is murder. Is that what you call it?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:06<br /> :Absolutely done. He<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :was right. Then he was right. Heil. Yep, true. And in there. Hi. Oh, John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:17<br /> :Heil. Heil, Hitler.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:20<br /> :I couldn't think of another he just couldn't do it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:24<br /> :It's such an obvious one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :You guys didn't have it? No. Are you? Are you doing an imitation of Doug's brother? That's so obvious. Typical. Typical. Yes. I expected that. Not surprising. I think that's all he said to us all weekend. That's all he said. Isn't an AMI? Not surprising? No, but what do you say to me?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:45<br /> :It wasn't on my list. And it would seem such an obvious one. Your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:50<br /> :It's on my list. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:51<br /> :else is on your list?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:52<br /> :Hi. Like I was getting at high school. High school. I had some good stories, but I'm afraid to tell them. I don't know. High School is a drag to me. I hated it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:04<br /> :I fucking hated it, too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:05<br /> :I know one time I tied a belt around some books and whacked a big fucking linebacker in the head with them because he kept What do you did with every, every time I leave class, he take the history book, which was the thickest book. And he smashed me on the top of the head with it. And it's so hard I was fucking dizzy. You know, like damage as you can tell today. I think he whacked some of my vocabulary out of one of my ears. And so one time I took a belt and wrapped around books. Something like one of my father my uncle would say that said something like that. And I took the idea from something like that whacked him real hard in the head with it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :I want slit at pep assembly on fire and I did not get expelled for all those people. I used to get in trouble for most everything I did and I thought it wasn't fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because it Caught me trying to leave. And there's a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. This thing went up. And I thought, oh shit, it's all over. But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. You never got caught the most amazing thing I never got caught for but speaking out whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a in my high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:27<br /> :Doug, you don't mind I'm playing Hitler use songs. It's fine. It's good March there. We got four minutes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Maybe it can tell us. In high school. I used to have a swim class first hour. And this was when I was like, yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :he's like saying that because I get high. And then I in high school. I always if we had if you had swim class first period, that means you could roast bowls. Yes, I'm stuck in the 80s all day. And you could just say I had a swimming class first period and Cory<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:58<br /> :major bloodshot, right? Yeah. But anyways, I didn't do that. But we had the stupid teacher in the class who would sit in his office and then we're all supposed to not get in the pool. Don't get in the pool until he comes out and takes attendance which was US lining up and calling off number. Every fucking morning we get there. And there's this fat kid, Jeremy something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:19<br /> :That's like saying nigger for black guy. You can use a real time.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :Pleasant, Pleasantly plump lad. Every morning. Every morning, the dumb shit wouldn't figure it out. This kid would walk out we throw him in the pool. He'd splash around screaming yelling and the teacher would come out and yell at him every time he said it but it happened every single morning. They were so stupid. High school was all provoking people in getting in fights High School<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:57<br /> :was all about getting high.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:59<br /> :Yeah, high school was all about getting high not going.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:04<br /> :I dropped out at 16. So then I went back because I got well, I got housed. Let's put it that way. I got a house for a month and a half in a county jail. And residential burglary. And so I went back to high school because that was absolutely the way different experience because it was a different school, right? No, because I was very mature. Having been in a county jail and stuff life is so serious after that. We'll come back to school and they're just fucking kids and they're just fucking off talking about garbage. My life took a dramatic turn at that point. I mean, I was stuck in a fucking building with a bunch of kids and I did not feel like a kid. I thought it's a waste of time to be there quite frankly, I wanted to get a job and try to dig out of the ditch that I was getting into you know, they make it hard to get a job you know you're so young it's hard to get a full time job so it's not that you have nothing to do but commit crimes that you know just because you don't want to go to school as a bad person in jail sounds<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:10<br /> :like a great resource for our kids.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:13<br /> :Absolutely I tell you I learned a strong lesson I walked the line but I don't think I'm absolutely will not that was a factor definitely experienced and I felt that came out of there Catherine sober person said you do that there's repercussions for what you do. And that taught me to accept responsibility for my actions every single one of them that's why I can say without a doubt to my little brothers that play with other fucking people to problem every situation you're in six weeks in jail during that time I broke I had my pinky broken tried to punch someone I'm not much of a fiber and hit the concrete wall and my pinky because the guy was stealing my food and as a fat fuck not a fight No. Fucking Mike Tyson takes myself and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :eats your whole D<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:01<br /> :habit to fucking eat his kneecap.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:04<br /> :He broke him in jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:06<br /> :I broke my own Pinky. Yes. came out I was in the cast. You see that picture? That one parade picture? Yeah, Pinky with a gay father. It's honestly 26 seconds hermaphrodite the ABC show next week is what letter comes after h i i Da Doug Amy shamed by evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:35<br /> :dis genex.com for more.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:37<br /> :See you next week I this was h ABCs.<br /> <br /> =Letter I=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_i.mp3}}<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Music  '''00:01<br /> :[The Three Stooges - Swingin’ The Alphabet - 1938]<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:31<br /> :God making a train wreck out of it, but now that I've gotten high the eye show has been destroyed almost with all my fucking up. Okay. What? What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:56<br /> :Everything's okay. Do you want to?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Yeah, no we won't start over we're cool dog. Since this is a half hour talk show it impromptu about the ABCs are not about the ABCs but that's the only topic right? i Yeah, this shows I did you get high to know off the eight show you sound it? Okay, I know I'm high. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:23<br /> :I wish I wasn't high anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:27<br /> :I drink some coffee. Then.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:28<br /> :What were you saying? Really? You're going somewhere that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I don't know. Okay, I'm stone. Oh, shit. So eyes anyone? Anyone? Anyone any word? I have Illuminati. But not any really good stories about the Illuminati. I just I just like everything. And everything they do. And next to the Nazis. They got the shit as far as imagery.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:52<br /> :Now they're typical. Everybody's everybody blames the Illuminati, whoever that really is, you know what I mean? If that's really there, if it is in Freemasons,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :it may be fun but I 20 years and 1518 years ago I was publishing scenes with Illuminati stuff in it. It still interests me and isn't a very interesting as typical as it is for you. Such a well rounded Gothic kind of guy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:20<br /> :Right right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :You know some would say the process is typical.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:26<br /> :Oh yeah, you know, it does cheer my ass to that we hear all this shit now. Currently<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:31<br /> :picture of George Bush's father sitting on the bed with the fucking pyramid is fucking an awesome photo. Have you ever seen that? No, we're sitting Indian style the old man is got his fucking feet together here's a real photo no Photoshop this is back in the day. George Bush's father's feet together sitting there and he's holding in his hands like this is hidden is sitting in himself holding a fork in the pyramid with the eye in<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:58<br /> :the eye on New World Order. Yeah. His skull and bones days<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:02<br /> :that's from his presidency or running for president right before he was present. Maybe it was from his CIA days. It's from his government days. Skull and Bones is in college so that wasn't from his college days but that was from his government days. I can't say if it was President or it was even the the the lead CIA dude. Yeah, he's like, alright, so dude. Dec fuckhead fuck Hall. Fucking prick. Well, this is the I shall though. So I have to say I hate bush.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:32<br /> :There's a picture of George Washington. Masonic not the stinky sweet pink on the apron with the eye and the trash and everything. Where was this? Oh, this is picture George Washington. Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say they always talked about the Christian roots of our nation. That ain't the case. And it really chaps my ass just like three new biographies about Ben Franklin now they they don't not a one of them. Fuck there's boom and go on. It sounds like World War Three.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:59<br /> :Fireworks There's an AI in there somewhere.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :Yeah. Works legal in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :Doug. Doug thinks he's in Detroit and l might<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :just like no just like little black cat poppers and stuff are legal and in Michigan.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:12<br /> :Take a look at that explosion. You guys keep talking. Oh, it's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:15<br /> :gonna be a crater.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:16<br /> :You can buy anything in Indiana fireworks wise legally.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:20<br /> :Anyways, as saying about Ben Franklin, the guy co authored a book with Francis Dashwood. You know, the leader of the Hellfire clubs in England so they can't say that there was there wasn't really a connection they can't say it's overblown, you know, and yet they never mentioned them biography just like like a champ. My answer is a Jane Mansfield biography on one of the stations and they they mentioned LaVey but briefly saying that it was just like a publicity stunt just like they do that with Sammy Davis Jr. to new new Sammy Davis Jr. Book. One sentence it just says it was part of his wild guy image at the time was just a joke, you know, can't be it gotta make their biographical subject unto themselves, you know, they, they can't tell the truth. You know, they can't tell the beyond what the truth is.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:07<br /> :Their image for biography is not as you don't ever get the truth about people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:12<br /> :know, it's wrong. It's wrong. If you're when you're gonna hear about Ben Franklin, the Hellfire clubs you're gonna hear it in a book about the Hellfire clubs, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:22<br /> :To give you a clue before Indiana you can get any anything in Indiana that I were in there and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:29<br /> :I didn't even think about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:32<br /> :I just love the dog and so you're hearing Cheyenne run around<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:35<br /> :I thought I thought we just say Israel but let me go to down<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:40<br /> :Israel don't get me started.<br /> <br /> ':''Shane Bugbee  '''06:44<br /> Well, you know the funny part is Amy yelled at Peter Gilmore about ILS Peter Gunn was the head dog chief dude of the Church of Satan. And he we did an interview with him on a 24 hour radio show. And Amy yelled at him Did you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:06<br /> :beheading an intense intercourse about Israel? Palestine?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:13<br /> :Palestine Hmm Yeah, well, you know, I mean, and it's not even that I know or like any Palestinian people I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:19<br /> :mean, you actually do one Palestinian we know we hate<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:23<br /> :exactly so I wish they were dead and then I think genocide may be the one but I've got to say anytime you hear about you know I mean it's just ironic that the Israeli army and the Israeli people are doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis to these Palestinians they've taken everything from them they've making them live in you know camps and then they're bombing the camps when these people act out I mean, what are they supposed to do?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :Well any anytime as well that's what they've been saying about Iraq also Iraq anytime a place is occupied there's gonna be resistance right yeah. So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :which part is might is right isn't it might is right when those kids throw rocks they do a suicide bombing.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:08<br /> :Peter he's not here.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:10<br /> :I'm not yelling at anybody. You know, I'm just saying it's both sides. Might is right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:18<br /> :And Israel Israel,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:19<br /> :Israel and Iraq Amy Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:23<br /> :maybe not irate but intense<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:25<br /> :there he go. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:26<br /> :go ahead Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:27<br /> :Well, it's just the same thing both of them are using parts of Midas right to try to get their way you know, it's ignorant<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :and I have respect for ancient history and archaeology but I would say make the fucking holy land to crater a radioactive waste and then tell them go to town it's all yours all you so let's go ahead pocket Solomon's temple gives a shit it's just it's gone to fucking fire it's gone to fucking fire exactly fence<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:56<br /> :off the whole country and it can only be for tourists you know no one can live there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:01<br /> :Yeah free zone un whatever Martial Law No, no, no it was asshole should be there. If people really aren't you have some orthodox religion they shouldn't even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with churches churches or terrorist organizations. They're fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document and it's stupid.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:27<br /> :They've night the church<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:31<br /> :we need to ignite some churches here in Hammond we have all the Hammond Baptist it's they've taken over an array whole city blocks they're building something that's like the size of the you know, like a dome.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :That's an Indiana and fuck them and what else do we have for I?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:55<br /> :Any abbreviated I'm sure we all have some fairly good inebriation stories.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Did we get you an E rated at a sushi bar once?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:03<br /> :Yeah, it was on. Actually not too long ago, I got an E read because when I got back from Europe, I had some bottles of ABS and I noticed you didn't bring any data. Because we drank it. Yeah, thanks me, dude, me and some of my friends, we drank it and this was the real shit too. You can get some absence without the wormwood and everything that's not hallucinogenic or whatever. But we are drinking the real deal all night. And for me, alcohol usually is just varying degrees of sickness, I drink it, I start feeling a little sick. I drink more I start feeling more sick, but absence was different. I was like, I had that was kind of good feeling or whatever, then drank more and just kind of amplified it. I wasn't getting sick. But later in the night, me and some of my friends started Christmas caroling around my parents neighborhood. And this was just like, last month, you know, this is like, May were Christmas caroling. And my friend Monty started telling these kids who came outside that he was a tutor and to give them a call anytime. That's when I thought the parents come out with a hatchet But to their credit, nobody in the neighborhood called the police. Some lady came over and told my mom the next day. Those boys were really out of hand yesterday. And I knew I knew it must have taken all the balls she had to come over and say that my mom took it for a joke and she laughed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :Bring out cider any gifts? Money?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:33<br /> :Gifts. What?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:34<br /> :caroling? Aren't you supposed to get something for that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Oh no. They came out nervously chuckled no we moved on Christmas carol somewhere else it was it was alright. And they're very withdrawn neighborhood. Nobody in that neighborhood knows anybody any anything else.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :I used to Christmas Carol. Christmas. Yes and Christmas. And I used to make money. Christmas Carolyn. Capri Carolyn.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:59<br /> :The tips are great. Maybe we should do it tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:03<br /> :No, that's an eye Christmas day. Sometimes $20 from someone<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:07<br /> :that was back when you were an Oliver Twist? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:10<br /> :no, but I've done it. Whatever. Oliver Twist miasma, the fox as well as back hustle and money. Like a fog of war can fool since I was 14. So Oliver Twist my ass. I was making money not spending my old man's hard earned money.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:26<br /> :Good for you. All right. Do you work?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:29<br /> :I didn't complain about one pair of jeans. I bought more with the money I earned. So Oliver Twist my eye as an eye. I deliver Well, it was hard work. It was work. It's not you know, I wasn't doing it to fucking queer off and sing it people. Believe me, I feel odd telling anyone I care about.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:52<br /> :So you wouldn't wear you're not high.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:55<br /> :What? I possibly Yes, possibly. All right,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:01<br /> :what about engrade? Isn't that one of your favorite words?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :That is one of Shane's favorite words.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :And that's one of the first things I think you said to me is I use the word ingrate you both said oh, you know you said I can see we'll get along and Amy said That's his favorite word. First thing we said is that not the very first thing but one of the first<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :first memories of birth of Shane for from shrine AMI your eyes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :both went up when I use the word ingrate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:30<br /> :Well that is true there's a lot of integrates I have in grades come in and out of my life there integrates you know, pretty much everyone you'll be an ingrate someday and I'll you'll be labeled as an engraved possibly keeps the one you know how I know this is because everyone says But I'm different. I'm the guy everyone I swear has been engraved<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:50<br /> :Okay, I can't wait to be among the ranks of notable ingrates is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:56<br /> :notable because when I leave the scene they seem to fucking stick in the fucking bottom of the barrel lower and lower and lower and you don't hear from them again and then<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:03<br /> :they're committing incest in some backwater town and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:09<br /> :stop and be introspective about it out there ingratitude<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:14<br /> :but they're not intelligent enough<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:17<br /> :know what in great serene grace they should be fucking shot. drawn. The court has hung up<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:25<br /> :I can add to that. You're right. Being an engraved should be considered a crime.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:31<br /> :I don't like it. Scared simple. Thank you. Yeah. Character flood simple. Thank you. That's it. So I'm asking for what I deserve. Which is probably 1000s of fucking dollars in your first board. Doug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:44<br /> :You're too late for the first one probably. I never met it either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:48<br /> :None that you know now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:55<br /> :Oh, now it's too bright.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:58<br /> :We need a sunglasses.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:00<br /> :If you want it off I turn the lights off here in the studio. Want me to keep me off?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:06<br /> :Doesn't matter. throwing us off with the flashing lights<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :trying to keep you awake I'm trying to get not high anymore through strobe light pressure.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:13<br /> :Okay need curtains<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:14<br /> :Amy what song are we playing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:16<br /> :We're playing some Insane Clown pass I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:23<br /> :I don't know I see they usually do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:35<br /> :I'd like to sweat<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:47<br /> :or there is<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:02<br /> :you put the CD in. I think so.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:05<br /> :I was playing for Ghazi<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:09<br /> :almost same band icpm Fugazi beautiful everybody and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:18<br /> :everyone would be running out to get that insane con pass the CD with that song on it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:23<br /> :The last jazzy song<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:32<br /> :going on<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:34<br /> :now you know someone that works with ICP?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:39<br /> :Yeah, he's like their bit she gets some coffee and shit and spray in science or checks and everything he's telling me a story about how he cut a check to Mike Pat and one time I think Pat and contacted them on a sample they used to him needed to cut them a check. Oh no. He tours with them everything else? random shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :You ever see that movie? They did big money hustlers?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:03<br /> :No, I was you know, I've heard some of their stuff. See, my friend Steve has worked for him for a long time.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:08<br /> :What Amy so fucking high. She put a DVD and Insane Clown Posse DVD in there and fucking told me it's a goddamn CD. I'm trying to play a fucking DVD Ah,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:23<br /> :there's another CD in there isn't there? Isn't that two CD c one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:26<br /> :is Hitler use songs. Another one.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:30<br /> :Oh, Hitler Youth songs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :Go back to Ghazi McKay. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:39<br /> :yeah, yeah. And McCain. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:40<br /> :Amy, you are right. We can't blame guys. And I like the guys he's talking to Ian Mackay. He should be President really. In Mackay ran for president I'd vote I'd vote for him in a second?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:59<br /> :Right The shower<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:50<br /> :fucking forgot Z.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:54<br /> :Ian Mackay Ian McKay.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :Yeah. i<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Are you a big Ian Mackay fan, Doug?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:00<br /> :Yeah, he's not bad. I like to pay overhead. But they only did that was like what eight tracks and then do another CD exactly. I thought it would have been cool<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:09<br /> :Why don't more Why don't you or Amy explain what we're doing today<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:15<br /> :we're doing the alphabet we're starting each show with a letter and just going. That's our very generalized theme. It's our theme without a theme we bring up a letter first word comes to mind and we discuss this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black negros and sit and talk about<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:34<br /> :rotund. Yeah. Would I use that for the sauce<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:38<br /> :inflated for?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:40<br /> :Oh god? worse, worse than fat inflated. But like the five big flat fat black Negro, what?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:49<br /> :Big? I think it's five big, big inflated negros that discuss things on a show. Oh, no, there's some morning show. Yeah, nevermind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Is it the view?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:01<br /> :I think that's what it is.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:02<br /> :Are they all negros? I think so. Barbara Walters is on there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:08<br /> :She's a negro. Exactly. She's some No Oh, she's a she's in that word it she's a network nigger, is what she is right. She was paid one time she did an interview with the CEO of Philip Morris to give them good publicity at the time when they were having a lot of bad publicity now Feds not being a network nigger, I don't know what is. Exactly. You know, she talked to him and he was able to cry crocodile tears and talk about what a beleaguered nice man he is and everything else and the guys making a fucking killing off of lying on medical reports. They made the issue into everybody knew that smoking was bad for you. And they took away from the issue of they fucking lied on medical reports and their corporate charter should have been revoked. Anytime you do that you set a bad precedent you should be stopped, had been lying. It would have been different story or killed. Right? What were they lying about on medical records? Yeah, they were lying and saying that there was no evidence that smoking caused cancer and everything else. And I have no problem with a company selling something that's carcinogenic. Something that's going to kill people and everything else. It's fine. People want to take it then after that. It's up to them. Right when they lie about it. That's a whole different story. Same<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:21<br /> :thing I was talking about on the the fat, the F show about fat and McDonald's lawsuits and stuff like that. It's the lies that they try to say.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:29<br /> :Like this is healthy food, right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:32<br /> :Well, they just say it's entertaining food. It's not healthy. It's entertainment. It's junk food. It's junk, right? entertainments, like TV, a lot of sitcoms and stuff. It's garbage. It's a waste of time and every breath life but it's an entertainment. There's nothing nutritious about French fries was well they push it like that all the time. I thought there was until I was in my later teens. They But then the basic food groups Well as I said, I'm the fat show on the app show that didn't get recorded and I have to re record as I said then the the food groups are the wrong shape in the first place when you look at the food groups they teach and health class so they teach you the wrong way they teach you that breads are a very important part of your diet when it's not as important as you know they, it's they're up. The food groups are upside down from the beginning. And McDonald's does promote themselves as every fucking What did you say? Snickers used to promote themselves as<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:32<br /> :a Snickers bar a day helps you work rest and play.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:36<br /> :That's obscene. That's what I'm talking about that kind of double mass marketing is is the problem with their message they're lying. When McDonald's says you get the five basic food groups when you get a burger and fries they're fucking like there's nothing there. Maybe you're getting some salt when you get in too much salt. You know, I mean, but there's nothing there nutritious. Maybe the cheese and their cheeses will process by now. It's gone but there's nothing fucking there. There ketchup is so loaded with fucking sugar. It's taken with any goddamn healthy properties of fucking tomato or tomato paste would have for you. So that's what I'm talking about. They fucking lie with that shit. They just say you should say cheeseburgers or just entertainment especially with McDonald's. Not like the local burger stand we have. There's are there is probably a little nutrition in those burgers. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:25<br /> :just within the last year they revised the food pyramid for the schools and just this last year, right but But you wouldn't be some you probably wouldn't be surprised how lobbies really pay for their, their placement on the food pyramid like the meat industry pays a good chunk of money to get meat and high placement on the pyramid. Tune<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:46<br /> :in for the last five minutes or 10 minutes of the F show. And you'll hear more talk about this. This is the I show. Doug? We have three minutes. Talk about Italy in the start of fascism and where you visited. That was a very interesting story. And you have three minutes to do it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:01<br /> :Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called gardone Riviera. And that's where Gabriel dnn Zeos house was most people don't know who Gabriel de Nunzio was, but he's like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet, Italian I, yeah, Italy. So we went over that I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he's a poet and a playwright. And he talked but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn't have and everything else and the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, di Nunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfeld's colons dicks and bushes, but anyways, he lost an eye in World War One. But after World War One, they didn't give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers the black shirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the original Blackshirts. Those were the original fascists, and Mussolini aligned themselves with him in them in when he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about him. Do you Nunzio didn't like Mussolini, you saying you say you're going to support us but you haven't sent provisions? You haven't sent men. You're just a you're just a fucking idiot for AI. And so when Mussolini came to power, right? dnn zo was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home and being that he spent their money like it was going out of style. It was beautiful. It was a palace. He's a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room. I was bad was like a car and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :love that I've always wanted. And it's funny. You say that I've always wanted to have themed rooms,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:16<br /> :and he had one where the the theme was discovered hand there's hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was he was great.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:26<br /> :Well, I'll see you guys later. This was the I show of the ABCs next week, it's a que no J No. Que je evil now.com.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:38<br /> :TV is god.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:40<br /> :dis genex.com Only one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:41<br /> :That's because of his addiction. A show addiction. See you later. All right, Amy.<br /> <br /> =Letter J=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_j.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:00<br /> :Thank<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:13<br /> :You? Right What was that Amy? What did you ask me Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:56<br /> :Did you have another Jackson?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:58<br /> :Why do you ask that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:00<br /> :Cuz I don't have anything for Joe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :nope I don't that was it. We can use that as our song about that. That was the Jacksons. Go ahead Amy do some talking to that microphone. Go ahead. You can do the introduction for the show.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:18<br /> :Okay, well, I guess you're listening to the alphabet show or a show about alphabets? Me, Shane from three ring radio and Doug from discogenic stat calm and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :a knee is Amy from the horror of horror.com. Not me, but that was who said me? Oh, yeah, me.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:40<br /> :Yeah. And it's a show about the alphabet, right? That's our one common thread each shows about a different letter from of the alphabet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:50<br /> :sponsored by a different letter like Sesame Street,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:53<br /> :just like Sesame Street. Exactly like Sesame Street. What<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :did you say before the top 26<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:59<br /> :Yeah, well Jays within the top 26 letters one of my favorite,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:03<br /> :really, so you can just talk the whole half hour and I could take a nap.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:06<br /> :Go ahead. It's just i j is great. I've always loved Jays.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:11<br /> :I like Jay for what did I say when we weren't recording? Jack off and you fucky fucking jagoff or Jesus? Jesus Christ you the jean jagoff<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:25<br /> :we have a double J and Jim Jones. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:29<br /> :oh, I have the Jim Jones CD for sure. We can play Jim Jones music. Yeah, Jim Jones rules. I love Jim Jones.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:36<br /> :I've heard the CD but<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:39<br /> :you know, I have one here. That's no one's heard. So I'll pull that out. And we'll flip through it real quick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :Is it their music? Again?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:44<br /> :It's different stuff. Yeah. More of that. More of that. Yeah. If you've heard you can say with Jim Jones. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. Okay. Did they record them on the island? Is that yes, this is recorded on the island. The one you heard was recorded in San Francisco.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:59<br /> :Okay. Okay, so CDs,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:03<br /> :I have it. Okay, only me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:06<br /> :I like the speech at the end though. Jim Jones. I will fight speech<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:11<br /> :while you do the speech for us now we have the manuscript right here if you want to read it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :Do Yeah, I think so hopeless. No, I think I can.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:21<br /> :When you typed it, you typed the whole thing. Yeah. And we typed it up for something that we did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:26<br /> :I got my cross. I got my compass. I got guns. I've got dynamite. And I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, no, no, what I did was I think the last speech<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:39<br /> :I'm talking the one he says they're gonna have to come and take all of us if they want any one of us.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:46<br /> :Is this the end the last speech? I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:48<br /> :if it was the last one. But it's the one where he screamed and I will fight I will fight.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:52<br /> :Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Amy type the last speech. That's, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:56<br /> :yeah, there was no fighting left in that last one.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:01<br /> :So you're talking about something different? Me Right. Correct.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:03<br /> :me when I'm talking about people, because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:06<br /> :it's sounding dogs talking about a different speech, then<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:09<br /> :we have to spell it out. Right. So Doug, talk more about Jim Jones. I don't know enough about him. I know a lot more bitch. We fucking have a half hour to Phil.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:21<br /> :Know what Island were they and I they drank the cyanide? I think there's a isn't there a helicopter view from overhead all the dead body science. That's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:35<br /> :what they say he was called. Some say they didn't drink Kool Aid.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:39<br /> :And according to some books I read, of course, you know, Jim Jones called before my time, but according to some sources, it was a turning point. Like, that's when the alternative religions were killed and everything else. A lot of people got the whole go back to church, you know, conventional church attitude after Jim Jones. And I think a lot of people were afraid of mind control and called so I think Jim Jones had a lot to do with that. Because it seems like in that, you know, it seems like is that timeframe, and a lot of the anti called stuff started off after Jim Jones. Ironically, anti satanic called after Jim Jones was very, he was Baptist, wasn't he? I think some form<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:17<br /> :Yes, he was out of Indiana, home of the fucking Baptist. Well, maybe not the home of them. But the Klan almost had a spot in Indiana history has been the first state run by Klansmen and the Baptist. They at least Ron Hammond that we know. So Jim Jones was a Baptist. I've picked up a lot of my business practices from Jim Jones. How so? I just like to weigh ran an organization. I wouldn't a drink you want to read that first speech again. They come from one of us. They come from all of us.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:52<br /> :And it's it's not bad. Exactly. He's he's a good speech.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:57<br /> :He's a master.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:58<br /> Oh, he said, Oh, this<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:59<br /> fucking cunt a Yahoo was killing me.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:04<br /> :He said Love is the only weapon bullshit. Martin Luther King died with love. Kennedy died talking about something he couldn't even understand some kind of generalized love and he never even backed it up. He was shot down. Bullshit. Love is the only weapon with which I gotta fight. I got a whole lot of weapons with which I can fight. Yeah. I got my gun. I got dynamite and I will fight. I will fight. Damn, you know. I hit on my voicemail for a while and people start bitching because it was like really long for voicemail message, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:39<br /> :Well, I like that.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:40<br /> :I love it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:41<br /> :Why the Green Berets all joined up. They said he had a bunch of Green Berets and like militant arm guards all around the camp. And they said, people you know, we're supposed to be able to come and go, but they couldn't really<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:54<br /> :well. What the fuck are they doing there? Then they didn't stop from committing suicide. They didn't stop from doing anything. They're just standing around. It was like an escort keeping people from getting in and talking with them. I don't know. What were they doing there? Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:07<br /> :they said there were so many found dead in the camp. And then there were like another 100 or so found shot or in the jungle around there. So anyone who tried to run out rather than die in the camp was shot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :shot by Jim Jones or by Greenbrae by his Greenbrae troops. Oh, these were supposed to be his Greenbrae true. Yeah. Jones on people. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:30<br /> :I get j so what's your favorite word? Why? Because Jesus starts with A J. I'm<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:34<br /> :just saying it's one of my my. It's one of my top 26 favorite letters. Really? Why? Yeah, because because of Jesus. He changed my heart. I used to be a drunk fuck all the time. But now that I found Jesus, I'm gonna run for president,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:50<br /> :I believe. Jim Jones quarter. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:55<br /> :That'll be as accepted speech.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:57<br /> J:ive as Jim Jones quoting I have jail written down, but I don't I've never been to jail.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:05<br /> :I told the jail story for I didn't I about the Irish writer.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I think it was. I don't know how it got there. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:13<br /> :Breaking my pinky. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:15<br /> :is it the only time you're in jail?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:17<br /> :Yeah. Yeah, I've been arrested lot numerous times when I was young man for silly things. That was the only time anything stuck. Okay. Fucking nosy prick. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:31<br /> :put down jobs too. And I got fired from a lot of jobs. Really? It's kind of interesting. I was working at a Burlington Coat Factory before. And I got fired for lacking a man in the fitting room<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :on purpose or by accident.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:49<br /> :No, it was on purpose. This rather Roatan fellow. It was, uh, I worked in the men's department, you know, and it was just my job to like, fold clothes and put them back. I didn't have much to do all day. But still, if I had anything to do, it pisses me off. You know, it's like, I was like, 17 or 18 This guy was coming in trying shit on me had signs on the fitting rooms that said, if you try shit on, hang it up, you know, put it away when you're done. This guy brings a pile of shit in the fitting room and walks out. I wonder what is he doing? You know, he's just got piles. You can't even be trying all this stuff on. So finally I told him I was like, Listen, if you're gonna take all this crap, put it back where you found it, you know. So he gets all pissed off and out of spite, he grabs a big load of stuff and walks in. I thought Fuck this. So we had padlocks for the fitting rooms. So if we left we could, because we were supposed to watch over things. People were stealing in the fitting rooms and stuff so we could lock them up. I went out on break. And I was sitting on this bench outside were cars to drive by and I'd always scratch my nuts and pretend I didn't notice because everybody looked at you and they're driving by but that's beside the point. Anyways, I'm out there talking to this girl. And she's smoking. We're about to go back in. I told her. I liked some guy in the fitting room. She said you did not. And I said I did too. And then when we walked in, I was told just to leave and wasn't even allowed to punch out. I didn't see the guy but the store manager just said just go just leave. That's awesome. And<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:17<br /> :I'm playing a little Jim Jones music underneath right now.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:22<br /> :They set you packing,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:23<br /> :I haven't made a lot of jobs. I worked at Target and I was the cart guy, you know, the thankless fucking job. And it was this target was uphill just slightly. But you notice the angle you you pile up like 50 carts, they're heavy, you know, you're pushing uphill. And it was just a crappy job. And I had this female manager always looking at you know, breathing down my neck. She didn't like me. And she started time and everything I was doing time and my brakes and everything like that making sure that they're only 10 minutes or whatever. My lunch break was only, you know, half an hour an hour. And their break room was upstairs ready to punch out for my lunch my mom came in to visit me. We're gonna go out to lunch. Just irritated. This irritated me this woman walking behind me to see what time I go to check what time I come back and everything because I'm getting paid hourly, and I'm getting paid jack shit, you know? So if I'm gonna come back late, who gives a shit? You know, cards don't pile up that much, at least not that time of year. So she's walking right behind me. And luckily, I was flatulent, and I just let one guy you know, right. And she's like, as level, like, at its level, you know, and I just got one go, and it's loud enough. And she's mortified. And I look back and I look at her. And she says to me, she says, you know, she's all flustered. And she's like, she's like, What do you say? And I said, I say you better look out or I'll shit on you. And I punched out. And I went downstairs and I was really worked up about this. And they had a whole roll of carts at the side of the building, you know, and I pushed them out into the street. I got in my mom's car and she was confused. You know, she's like, don't you collect those carts? Aren't you supposed to put them there rather than put them out in the lot? And I said, Yeah, I don't think I'm going back to work. And that was it for that job.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:14<br /> :I've had some pretty interesting jobs. You've had a lot of jobs. I had over 25 jobs in a year. And I felt really bad about having a lot of jobs until I live with a Italian woman. And she had told me that it's good for young kids to have a lot of jobs because that way you figure out what you don't want to do. I think so too. I felt really good about it. Then, coming from my family, though they made me feel bad if you lose one job, you know, there was a great guilt to losing a job that was bad. And so I felt like I was a bad person at the time when this woman had told me you know, you're just figuring out what you don't want to do. And I said you know you're absolutely right. The coolest, the coolest job well, not the coolest. But, but a job I had is was I was a security guard.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :Oh really for where a bar concert? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:03<br /> :no, no I security guy with the hat the cop hat.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:06<br /> :Like for an office building? Yeah, for Office bills.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :I was a security guard for a an auto yard where all of the cars came in for like Toyota for Illinois. So it was a huge like acres and acres of cars and the trains would pull in, they would train cars and unload them. And there'd be like a pile of cars in the back where the train cars would fall over when they were unloading the damaged cars. And they'd have like 100 of their piled on top of each other when they were damaged. They just send them back, whatever. But it was wild working for them. One time I worked at an office building and I would go through everyone's desk. I'd use the keys open up everyone's desk. I'd look through everything other personal stuff, anything that locked up I get in. So it's sort of fun. Yeah, I started doing a zine. There. photocopying stuff, too. I started I did some sort of Beanie Baby like your beanie baby thing. I remember doing a flyer where I put all these bands on there. Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all these crazy bands are gonna fit these woods. Big mega concert and put them all around and stuff. I heard people talking about it at school. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere. You know, we go swimming, cycling, skating like that. But you know, heard people talk around in crowds, whatever, hanging out the Dairy Queen. And we weren't that Dairy Queen.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:23<br /> :Oh, yeah. That was my Well, one of my first jobs working with Dairy Queen. And it was in Harvey, Illinois, and it was all black. It's like the kind of town it looks like. All the buildings are crumbling, and it's really horrible. And it was all of us a bunch of white kids working there. It was weird. Did you get fired? I did get fired. For what?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:50<br /> :Give it up. Amy. Go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:52<br /> :You know, they were really bad managers.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:56<br /> :She's laying down the excuses. Oh, how are they been? Amy give the story. This is a good story. And you're holding back you're, you know, you haven't? Maybe you need some liquor.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:07<br /> :Yeah. I got fired for stealing.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:13<br /> :Money, money. Okay, well, I was gonna say, better than money rather than product. That stuff is crap, I think. But I think it's good for people get fired from jobs. So for stealing. I don't know any young person. You got to see your limits. You know, like, when I was young and getting fired from every job. I really think I did feel bad about it a lot. But I was also learning my limits. I dealt with a lot of assholes. And I was glad I didn't put up with them. You know what I mean? I felt better for not putting up with assholes for minimum wage job. I worked for Office Max for a while and I worked overnights and that was wild because I worked with a ghetto crew. They used to have people who had to present their paycheck to a parole officer the next day. And then they had me supervising this one crew that didn't like the other crew just because I didn't like the other guy supervising them and one guy stabbed another guy with a screwdriver like crap,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:07<br /> :you know, it's a shame that jobs not only take up, take five days that we trade five of our days, for two days of freedom. It's so much jobs take up so much of our life. And now they've taken up our whole alphabet of J show. Yeah, kill a horrible fucking deal. Trading five days for two and I know what that's inspired me to try to do anything I can not to work for someone else. I assume that me and Amy both we seem to work. Double the hours we'd normally work for someone else. But we work 80 hours now. For a lot less money just so we could work for ourselves and not have a j ob. In the J side of things.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:47<br /> :It's rough work in a job you know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:50<br /> :What else is for j? I have Johnny rebel. And I'm playing Jim Jones right now underneath was talking Johnny rebels fun.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:01<br /> :I don't know Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:02<br /> :You've never heard Johnny rebel.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:03<br /> No. Is he like<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:04<br /> y:ou've never heard from the great Johnny rebels CD for segregationists only number track number one some niggers never die. tract number two. Stay away from Dixie. Number three. Amy's favorite nigger hate me. Number four. Who likes a nigger? Ooh, this is Johnny Robbo, the J becomes the J train. All right. Track number four truck number five. Nigar Nigar. truck number six moved on knickers north. Number seven caging. Klu Klux Klan.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:41<br /> :He's got kind of a theme going there.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:43<br /> :I think he got the idea.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:44<br /> :Now get it? Want to hear some of it? Yeah, definitely. Really? Yeah, I guess I just need to know what he's all about.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :Do you know now do you feel you are<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:53<br /> :getting to hear him to know what he's all about? I didn't know I might be ANNA political though we also have Jews for J<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:13<br /> :The other day I took a fishing trip just me and my boat and obey and your manual was my guys<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:23<br /> :ship. No.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:25<br /> :He wasn't very dark. He was a high stamp in yellow. So we lost Stephen yeller. And I cranked my motor in up to my nose came up terrible odor. I looked all around trying to find something did but it was manual with his arm up scratching his head. Some Nigar never die. They just smell way<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''20:58<br /> :a more heat sweat and you don't get to say he was a choking I just couldn't go on all the way home when I dropped the mall. I was next.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:14<br /> :Show some respect.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''21:18<br /> :In my eyes, the smells gorgeous. Out of my nose.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:24<br /> :It doesn't feel right to talk with some beggars you just<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:35<br /> :kind of like kind of like some of the David Allan COE I used to hear<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I have some of that too.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:44<br /> :It's funny because he still has a mainstream market. I was up to see him in the music store as it didn't seem to stain him as much as I don't think Johnny rebel could release an album now and get on mainstream country so<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:57<br /> :they should be able to that because I love Johnny you're<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:01<br /> :forgiven forget to hate behind.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :I've actually got some Johnny rebels CDs sent to me that no one has from Johnny Bravo. Yes. Johnny rebels, friends and family.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:13<br /> :Why is easy dad? No. 80s 90s<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:20<br /> :boy, he looks about 60 In this photo 50 or 60? I don't know the history of John Rambo. But someone can look at that guy up there for the Jays and the alphabet show here. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. Well, I'm working with this guy and evil now yahoo group trying to release a box set for January. And he'll educate your insurance.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:41<br /> :And I only married them sounds like an Entertaining. Entertaining piece of work.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:48<br /> :Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for Jamie?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :Yeah, I got Jodorowsky<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:00<br /> :Oh, that's great. When you talked about that's not that's great. Right there that say awesome subject.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:05<br /> :I don't know it at all.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:07<br /> :Satisfying grade school. I'll<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:08<br /> :say. School us.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:10<br /> :Yeah. He's a filmmaker. You know, I was trying to get some info on him because I really don't know anything about him. I just have seen his film. But he was born in Chile and raised in Mexico. And he's like this filmmaker, he did el Topo. you've ever seen that?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:24<br /> :Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about now. And then<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:27<br /> :he did Santa Sangren his son and his grandson and stuff are all in it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:32<br /> :in something called the Holy Mountain. Right? Yeah. Holy<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:34<br /> :Mountain. Okay. And he was supposed to be the director for dune. But it I think in pre production or something his<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:43<br /> :somebody watched all Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:47<br /> :he had Salvador Dali in it and stuff like that. And it never made it past pre production. They fired him because he went so over budget when they hired David Lynch.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''23:56<br /> :Oh, see, that's called like, I think el Topo was supposed to be like Zen Gore films on Western Gore film. It's like I saw it once. I actually fell asleep when I saw it. But it looked interesting, but it looked like it went on too much guy walking through the desert. And then yeah, he's killing weird kung fu masters and shit.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:15<br /> :He has to fight the four gunfighters of the desert. So he travels in a circle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:20<br /> :and one of them's popping out of the sand. They all have weird like a call it powers or whatever. Yeah, because this dude No, this is all Topo Topo<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:29<br /> :it's like three movies in one though because after all that then he gets like left behind any and then it's like a whole other movie when he lives with all the like freaks and you know deformed people and stuff and he really I mean we're I don't know where he digs up these deform people. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:47<br /> :yeah. I don't know where you get those films. I mean, we're, I don't know if anybody sells those. You<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:55<br /> :can get them on eBay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:56<br /> :Yeah, I'll Topo and holy mountain are banned in America. So anytime. You get a copy of it. It has Japanese subtitles on the bottom because it's from Japan. Look for it and Italy. Yeah. And then walked up to sangria. I have<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:10<br /> :tell you what have you seen Santa San gray? No. That loses us friends, man. Maybe we should watch it while we're on doing some of these shows tonight.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:18<br /> :Why? What happens? Give me the gist.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:19<br /> :Is there there is no just you can't have just a just all right, dude. That movie<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:26<br /> :we just watched circus family.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:30<br /> :I guess give them a just you want to watch it while we're doing this?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:33<br /> :Sure, do that. We've got a bunch of good lines in it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:39<br /> :In Japanese and<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :English subtitles.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:45<br /> :Oh, I see. I see. Okay, now I'll tell you what DVDs cost a lot in Italy because most of them were even Italian films like Dario Argento and Mario Bava they're great Italian directors in the Italians respect the gore film over there, they really do. But uh, I went over there and I thought I'd be able to get these great DVDs probably cheap over there. Went over there like deep red and Tenebrae and stuff like that by Argento they're like 40 bucks. And I asked the guy at the shop why? And he said well, because they're being imported from America. I said, Why? Why is it Italian films? And he said, Well, they're owned by American production companies or studios or whatever, you know, or can distribution so that's where I know. So you couldn't get Argento film. They're getting the American version. You know, they're getting Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:34<br /> :that's disappointing because they are edited differently. It from America to Italy to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:40<br /> :their crap used to be on TV over there. When I was there. I turned it on, like middle of the day you'd see some slaughter films. It's pretty cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''26:47<br /> :That is cool. They're not so uptight about gore and stuff. No or two.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:51<br /> :It's an S you'd see tits and ass on posters out there for weight loss formulas and stuff like that. Once we break that, and you could tell it's always been that way because they didn't it wasn't on everything. You know, if we broke that boundary here, you'd see tits and ass on absolutely every fucking thing. Like as soon as they break that, you know, soon as they like Something About Mary or whatever that movie they show a Jewish shot you know, you know now every movies got some come wide on somebody like that. Once a barrier is broken, it's the cool thing to do and they just don't get enough of it makes you sick.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:26<br /> :Well with Bush in the office and what's happening now we're going backwards. We're back to the 50s Yeah, yeah, he's propelled us back 50 years.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:34<br /> :Right. You know, you know, well, they've got a stronghold on radio. We know that<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:41<br /> :then TV everyone's censored their stuff cut things out. chop things up we've we've seen shows that make almost absolutely no sense on TV No.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:50<br /> :And look at all these shows that are like religious that around Seventh Heaven and Touched by an Angel all these like weird religious shows.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:59<br /> :MJ for Jesus Yeah. Jesus.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:02<br /> :Now they have a new one Joan of Arcadia. I mean, come on. It's just disgusting. I don't know<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:09<br /> :any of these. Joan of Arcadia is supposed to be like modern times isn't it's not even Joan of Arc would<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:15<br /> :like some girl Katie Holmes or somebody or no, it's some soap actress or something.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:21<br /> :Bush and Jesus, Jesus and bush. That was a good What was that call that show primetime or something like that. And<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:28<br /> :bush and religion you had labeled<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:30<br /> bush and religion but whatever it is, was great to see him hold up. This is the manual to raise our kids with hold up the Bible.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:37<br /> :Yeah. The handbook. Jesus's bush.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:42<br /> :Well, we have one minute anymore, J's, J, the alphabet show J jagoff. jagoff. Jerky jerky go. Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :junky?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:52<br /> :Junk, the junk smack heroin horse? Man, I bet you can do a show each time about heroin probably have a different name for each letter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:00<br /> :We've all known junkies.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:02<br /> :Yeah, well, yeah. We have 44 seconds. That's what about what they're worth is three.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:08<br /> :All right, well, I cleaned a an overdose and a heroin junkie with a prosthetic leg off up off the floor of the fucking bathroom where<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> “I work once. That's awesome dog dis genex.com dis genex.com Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> “horror of horror.com and tv.com TV's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:25<br /> “guide.com And I'm Shane. Evil now.com This is the alphabet. Yeah, and next time it's okay. K, K K K. I can only think of one thing with the K and that's three K's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:43<br /> :Wow, there's always Contin cake. Yeah, pick<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:54<br /> :all right, Amy. Should I start it right away? Well bang in<br /> <br /> =Letter K=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_k.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :because it sure has been a long day. But there's<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:06<br /> :still one thing I have to do before I fall asleep.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:09<br /> :What is that?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:10<br /> :I have to sing my ABCs so I won't forget them. A B C, D, E, F G, hey, Jai i j k, l m n o p, q r s, t, u v, w x, y and z. Now I know my ABCs Next time won't you sing with me the<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:38<br /> :very nice big bed<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:43<br /> :of you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:45<br /> :last night I know that you can<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:48<br /> :actually be but I don't count. I count their bags of war. Listen. Bah bah black sheep. Have you any? Yes sir. Yes sir. Three bags. One for the master. That's one bag of wool. And one for the Dane. One plus one is two that's two bags of wool. And one for the little girl who lives in the lane. Two plus one is three that three bags of war Baa baa black sheep have you any bird? Yes sir. Yes sir three bags<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:29<br /> :myself about you how do you get to sleep<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:36<br /> :I just look at all the little stars through my window and wonder what?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:15<br /> :Prairie that was beautiful yes let's all sing<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:28<br /> :tiny bit see which way to<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:41<br /> :tween playing golf<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:58<br /> :well Good night everybody<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:15<br /> :Amy How you doing?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:17<br /> :I’m doing just fine. am I introducing the show?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:21<br /> :I hope so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:24<br /> :The alphabet show and I'm here with Shane from three ring radio and from dis genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:35<br /> :Not here<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:37<br /> :and the great artists from Midas write to that stock thank you<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:42<br /> :not really from my knees ready really attached himself to something that was already moved and grabbed on to the coattails and somehow he's getting mentioned was such a great book. I still can't figure it out soon<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:52<br /> :to be a great artist for more than just soon to be exactly known just for minus right. And Shane got what? How many websites? No no evil now club. Hey, my icons on fire. Pogo the Clown. Three Ring radio. What else?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :Pogo the clown.com I don't know what I'll say me if you don't know. Nobody knows. But that's good enough. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:23<br /> :don't want to overlook any you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:24<br /> :check his signature on your emails. I think they're all there. Sometimes. Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:31<br /> :And then I do TV is God and the horror of horror or horror of horror.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:38<br /> :We better get the horror of horror. Some prick out there tonight probably listening they're gonna get your fucking us your fucking us<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :alphabet show and today's letters what?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :By the letter K?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:49<br /> :I think it's k. That was three Ks, K, K K.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:53<br /> :We're all three here and we're all three on K K K.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :K K and you know we played some chahti rebel, but now we have an excuse to play caging Klu Klux Klan if we wanted to excellent Do you have any k songs and Avi?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :I got karma to burn, but I think we could hear some. Some more Johnny ribelle<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:16<br /> :more of the trip. Okay. Yeah. What about Special K? Isn't that ketamine? Isn't that better veterinarian drug? I thought it's like a veterinarian anesthesia.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:26<br /> :Well, that's just PCP that they've just renamed it. That's all PCP is,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:30<br /> :like a new version. Like they have Prozac and then they have Zoloft. You know, it's probably the similar<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:35<br /> :Yeah, it's just got to be PCP because that's what PCP is is an animal tranquilizer?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:41<br /> :I’m pretty special. Okay,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :I love peas. I don't know. I've never done like I said, I'm an old man. But I like PCP. PCP is for me. Okay, I stay away from it though. It's so deadly. It'll fuck you up making it really schizophrenic bad.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:57<br /> :Oh, that's that's where I think it's the police legends. A guy who gets<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:02<br /> :bites the bumper leaves his teeth barking it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''06:05<br /> :gets shot five times and runs out a guy and rips his hat off his bare hands. Was there a PCP?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:10<br /> :I have a good PCP story it was funny I remember I smoked pick PCP for like three weeks in a row. Oh man did the first time was like heaven I thought it was in heaven. Snowflakes are trailing floating around this car. We're doing donuts in this in this court,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:29<br /> :you know Gee, I see this this well directed scene with little snowflakes and a car going around in circles and some like some I don't know some suburban Yeah. So easy listening to and playing and slugging or smiling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:42<br /> :something like fucking eyes, the eyes board or something like that, you know, crazy train or something naughty, and maybe not. It couldn't have been that because<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:49<br /> :it carefully guys with their eyes like wide open just to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''06:54<br /> :go up to get beer. He's driving around. I'm freaking out. And I remember smoking like three weeks. And I know there was a big right everyone know, PCP was in town. So everyone was on it. And we're gonna go into this beer party. And we pull up and there's a huge riot going on. And, you know, I think we're all getting scared and we're starting to walk up to it and see this big riot breakout. Next thing I know I'm holding hands with the guy next to me we're walking up there real scared. And you know, there's my PC.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''07:26<br /> :Are you walking up to a riot? Shouldn't you be walking away?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:30<br /> :I think I feel like it was our duty to not we couldn't run away. I think it was we were walking towards it. We were walking right into the eye of the storm. I don't know why I guess because I was on PCB.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:41<br /> :I guess the real scary power this guy we're holding hands. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's a horror horror story.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:47<br /> :That was the horror story. Because I remember we weren't so high that we didn't go you know, like I know some we look at each other's hands go. Oh, it didn't scare us the right didn't scares as much as the holding hands. You're right. There you go. There's my humiliating story<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:02<br /> :for K. Well, I was PCP. Similar different to crystal meth.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:07<br /> :Oh, math is an upper math is fucking make. You know, when I was on crystal meth. It's horrible. I met all these drug users. But I went to see a psychotherapist one time and he asked me the list of drugs I've done. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he looked at me like, you know, it's over for you. Forget it. I cannot forget it. You are done. It's over for your brain. I was like, you know, I can see the look in his eyes. You know, like, it's, I don't think I can do anything for you. But recommended institution.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:35<br /> :I thought PCP was an<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:36<br /> :upper. No, no, no, no, like a hallucinate.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:39<br /> :It's a mind altering thing. So if you get someone someone gets mad at you, you know if you're mad at them, I can see the police saying I shot him five times because you'll have an extra adrenaline. Okay, but it's a downer. It's a tranquilizer. As you say it animal tranquilizer. Okay, Crystal Meth is an upper like the highest upper you can get like I thought of stringing Mike Diana's intestines throughout my house. A violent upper. Amy enjoyed it. I think she did. Maybe she didn't ever do it. It's up to her. It was fun. She enjoys uppers though because Amy's a mellow kind of person in real life. So I think that's why she enjoys you know, uppers. Me I enjoy downers because I'm so amped I need something to fucking you know, relax me. It's just sort of a natural you know, you're in chemical imbalance or you're really your food. What you ingest makes you have this imbalance and so I'm naturally attracted to downers because I'm trying to do your opposite Yeah, I'm an AMI is attracted to uppers. So it's wild between us. It's funny, she's she's down with the crystal meth. She's like, God do that shit again. I'm like, fucking never I was so up. I will kill.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:49<br /> :I remember you told me once we drove to Indiana, from Chicago. We're on the way back and you told me never to touch crystal meth because you were positive a murder somebody<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:00<br /> :Yeah, I'm positive I almost murdered someone and I know that thought passed through my mind. And I was clicking up and I was like, oh, and I don't know what you know just something that I had that one piece I've been cowed up enough where I'm so tamed and I can't kill you know it's it's not in me I don't think.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:19<br /> :I don't know I think about I think about murder a lot<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:21<br /> :Amy tell us your crystal meth story. Which one I don't know you were saying how nice it was before Duggan or rupt but it's not murder it's que Conte for Kill Kill HiLine killing with an AI n not n ing. Tell us your crystal meth lover story. We're gonna spell crystal with K today.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:39<br /> :Um, I feel I've had fun on it a number of times, you know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:44<br /> :but driving home from Austin on it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Yeah, that was funny. We were driving me Shane and Mike Diana and Mike was driving. Because we had to get back to Chicago really fast. We were on TV. We were driving along the Mississippi river bank, and it was super foggy. You couldn't see five feet in front of you. And we were on this road that went like every second you had to turn the wheel turn, turn turn the wheel. And Mike was driving and he was doing 95 on this pitch black road that you couldn't see five feet in front of you. And you had to turn the wheel every second you were driving. I thought we were gone. Or as for sure. But we survived and made it and they were on the TV.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:31<br /> :And now I did say you would kill on crystal meth kill and K ABC show.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:37<br /> :Right? I think I would. I don't know. I think about I think about killing a lot. And that's why I don't like to lose control. I don't like to take too many drugs.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :That's what I said earlier. I think when we were talking about addictions, or maybe we were on the couch or we weren't on the radio. But I did tell you I think you don't see it when we're in there. We're watching Saturday matinee. I said I don't think you I think you stay away from drugs and alcohol because you know you'd fuck you you'd lose it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:05<br /> :I might know might<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :I think so. We gotta close scary yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:08<br /> :Sometimes you're afraid of yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:12<br /> :Admit it. You have personnel. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:13<br /> :remember one time I was just at a I was just in Tennessee visiting Joel. And for we were walking around at night, Paul. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:21<br /> :there comes the hall. Joe. That comes the whole Joe. Oh, here comes<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:28<br /> :we're walking around this jewel. Here's the cemetery and there was all this open space and there's these big piles of hay. And all I could think about was murdering somebody out. Did you ever it's just something about the whole atmosphere just screamed for murder.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:42<br /> :Did you ever think about Joel's Hall?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:44<br /> :No, I never thought about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:48<br /> :I can get old Joe.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:50<br /> :If you were gonna kill someone, how would you do it?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:53<br /> :Well, it depends on how hypothetical Are we are we talking like no law? Are we talking like just what I'd want to do or what I could know.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:03<br /> :Right now what would you do you think would be the<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:05<br /> :most enjoyable doing something<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''13:07<br /> :with my bare hands is bludgeoning somebody until they're just a flesh sack you know, just to the bones are fucking crushed and they're just a wide of skin and you know, crushed bone. It's a good<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:19<br /> :Yeah, I think that's bludgeoning is definitely the way to go. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:22<br /> :but there's laws you're saying Did she say most fun that's what you do.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:27<br /> :Well, most fun that's what I do. In respect to the law I would use poison Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:35<br /> :And I would enjoy poison kill anyone I think about killing myself and I think poison would be it wouldn't be so bad because they'd have you know if you know they have to choke.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:45<br /> :Oh, no poison, poison can be the worst way to go. It might not be the most gratifying because you don't get to crush somebody under your own hand.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:53<br /> :I don't know if I want to touch them. They're so disgusting to me. It's true. I don't want Why do I want to touch someone I hate so bad. I don't I mean, I don't I you know, I wouldn't want to touch him.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:04<br /> :But a lot of poisons are easy to manufacture hard to detect. You know, they talk all about rice and now is a terrible tool. But inside<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:12<br /> :and North South Carolina. Their their their Bush their state Bush is a leaf that's poison and if you dried it out and made it duty it we could kill you with no trace. That's what they tell us on the tour. What tour? We went, we got married. We got married in South Carolina and<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:30<br /> :Oh, okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:33<br /> :We went on a tour with a guy dressed like a Civil War soldier and a horse drew the carriage you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:40<br /> :Oh, that's cool. Racing comes from just from Castor beans. It's not hard. It's like you know, it's a it's a castor bean oil, but it'll kill you. Well,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:52<br /> :where do you pick it up at?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''14:54<br /> :You can buy a castor bean plant and you can make your own rice and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:57<br /> :then what do you do with rice and beans? Rice and<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:00<br /> :you put it in some ways food or you make content it's one of the it's one of the most potent poisons What do you do with it Doug? I don't do anything with it tell<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :us again how you put it in food.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:10<br /> :People people could do that. And you know people talk about arsenic but the problem with arsenic is it's it's a hard measurement you give somebody too much they'll just puke it out. You give somebody too little well it won't kill them either gotta strike a happy medium with arsenic and started to do to prolong death and it's stupid. Because you can give people carcinogenic and they die. coroner says it's cancer you know, I think there's a lot more poisoning going on and people like to acknowledge you know, oh yeah, I think it happens a lot<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :if it's a slow poison it's perfectly okay or<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:45<br /> :basically I think Amy has been trying to kill me through poisoning plenty. And I think the times I go to the hospital I think there's something going on<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:52<br /> :oh my god told me about that.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:53<br /> :I've told people to check into it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:57<br /> :Oh really? Yes. Watch back<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:03<br /> :well, well you can is character flaw with a K now that's a C<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:10<br /> :that's fine. But botulinum spores you can make put your own botulism people's food. There's Klebold from Columbine.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:20<br /> :Columbine?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:21<br /> :I don't even know which one Klebold was though. I don't I'm not very Columbine savvy. Klebold which one was he? Was he the one with the longer hair? No,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:30<br /> :they really were like married and they became one, didn't they?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:33<br /> :I guess so. I know what they look like just like one<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:36<br /> :entity doesn't really matter which is which? Without one you don't have the other.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:42<br /> :That's true. They probably neither of them probably would have killed without the other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:46<br /> :Yeah, out of the two I have. I think Amy's favorite is clay bald.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:51<br /> :Yeah, he's my favorite. Why? I don't know. There's just something so nice about him. You know, it looks like such a nice person.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:59<br /> :Okay. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:02<br /> :Okay, I get it. Yeah, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:04<br /> :can't figure out I don't think either of them are my favorite. I think I just look at them as one unit. One efficient killing machine.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:11<br /> :You're looking at their unit.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:13<br /> :I look at them as a<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :unit. Alright. So Weren't we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:21<br /> :No. We were talking about the Klu Klux Klan. Okay. Amy was talking about cakes during the you know, we're off there for K<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :I was just mentioning it was a K word.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:32<br /> :I think you said fucking kill the cakes.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:35<br /> :What does coke mean to you? Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:39<br /> :Go fly cake. Yeah, exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:41<br /> :Katie's tennis shoes.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Yes. Just do it<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:50<br /> :I don't have any good kk k stories. I know. I gotta say I've never met anybody in the kk k.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:55<br /> :We just the other night had a gentleman. A friend of mine. Maybe even though I'm getting worried he's gonna end up killing me. Friend of mine came over Andy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:07<br /> :Isn't that a good friend?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:08<br /> :He's in the Klu Klux Klan. That's gonna kill me. I guess so as long as you let me live through my miserable life that might be a good friend.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:17<br /> :And his wife for over? They're both active members in the clan. Yeah, and they<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:21<br /> :were cool. We watched what do we watch with them? We're watching the movies or do we just hang out? And watch bumfights? Oh, that's right here we went it bumfights and they discussed it or the wife looked disgusted by it but they weren't you know he's our you know Andy was a good guy he was listen I'm talking past tense was a good guy. He wasn't into all this religious shit at least in the client seems that you know Christians in the clan I part ways with a lot of that their beliefs you know, Jesus Christ.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:50<br /> :What the fuck do they do anymore? Um, what's the clan do?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:54<br /> :What does any group do? What does any any group matter? Really? What does it matter to really anyone who's not living for themselves and going at their own personal goals is a waste of fucking time and breath. Any groups that's from the ACLU to pee to the fucking voting? All that shit is a waste of fucking time and air and space. shouldn't be doing anything but trying to get your fucking shit together and be able to survive with all the shit hitting the fan even with George Bush. You know? Most people I know can't even escape this fucking country.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :I tried fucking tried.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:29<br /> :Why can't you get over you could have got over there.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:31<br /> :I was there I guess you can't get a job over there now. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:35<br /> :I could get a job over there though. See? That's a good thing about being me. Sorry software. I get over 30 Fucking I'll be over there bed.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:42<br /> :I was I couldn't even apply.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I got enough friends over there. I'd get over there in a second. Yeah, I don't have any friends over there. Tried to talk Amy to move into Amsterdam. I don't even have to talk Amy into it though. She's up for anything.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:54<br /> :I say go for it. It's great.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:57<br /> :I'm thinking about it, man. I'm thinking about getting the fuck I can't handle these kinds of politics carry Bush Skull and Bones bullshit mother fuck this place, man. It's really lame. I mean a lot of the freedoms we have. They don't matter to me. I don't give a fuck about most of them. The freedoms we don't have are the ones I want and that seems to be what has what's going on in Europe. You know, in France I when I spoke with Peter Gilmore, the Church of Satan guy in three ring radio we had spoke about the in France going to France and he said there was blasphemy laws. So that sort of scared me away this other Jumoke emailed me and told me about the blasphemy laws are a lie I don't know who's telling me what I don't really care if I moved to France and not really going to run down the street with a fucking upside down cross yelling killed Christians. I'm gonna give a fuck I don't give a fuck now about Christians or fucking satanist thread Buddhists or anyone I don't really care about fucking jack shit about that. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:58<br /> :I know recently in France they were talking they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No no turbans? No got in France. No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:11<br /> :As long as it's no no. Like smoking in public it's like smoking in restaurants where religious garb all over? It's offensive to me. I want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense as fucking take that shit to your house man and what you're smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don't like religion in fucking public either.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:33<br /> :God damn right. I would like to slap everybody's fucking turban off their head every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody's fucking skull.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:42<br /> :Rip the crosses off their next. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''21:46<br /> :fuckin i right.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:48<br /> :It's like, the start of school uniforms was to, you know, eliminate the differences between kids. So they've learned better maybe if we did that with everybody.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:59<br /> :Yeah, exactly. Exactly. There. It should be a little stricter out there.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:04<br /> :Like, oh, like the cubicle came for cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:07<br /> :Hey, isn't that see? Well, today it's okay.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:10<br /> :It was character flaw worked. Why not cubicle? You're right.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:14<br /> :Got a point cliche theory<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:17<br /> :about cubicles because we had this office where we live before. And we've all everyone who worked there. We were all back to back. You know, I mean, Shane would be back to back. Anyone else would be I'll be back to back. And it would keep I felt it was hindering us from getting stuff done. And I theorized that the cubicle is the reason the cubicle is used is because it makes people more efficient because they can't talk. You know, they'd have the little room around them sort of a cubicle.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:45<br /> :Yeah, we were both in desperate need of an office just to get the fuck away from each other. I was like, I'd be fucking your fucking type and fucking loud. You know? Jesus Christ. You type in loud.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:57<br /> :No, no, I let go. Somebody's watching the TV and I'm trying to type or anything like that. I started getting busy. Real pissy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:05<br /> :What do you say? My turn down the fucking soul? Yeah. All right. All right, clan. What are you good joining you know me and Amy went to the cloud Museum and we got married. You see what kind of wonderful woman I got married. on our honeymoon. She picked she goes pick whatever you want. Pick these three places. These are the places I want to go to beautiful spot South Carolina, Seattle and somewhere in Canada, Toronto,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:32<br /> :Montreal, Toronto, wherever we'd was legal or something. Yeah, right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:35<br /> :So so Amy picks these three great spots and I go you know, and South Carolina is the last place to fly the rubber flag let's go there. So we go there to get married and we go to the clan museum on our honeymoon. And the client guy like I call a newspaper and asked him where it was and they direct gave me his home phone and recall them so we're on my honeymoon and he goes well I'm close but I'm gonna open that place up for you kids. Kids K any k k k Museum and so it takes us that we got out there we meet them down there opens a store and we're letting it was great because I'm buying a bunch of souvenirs cladding is Honey Don't let him cheat you get something free so so Amy goes runs over gets a t shirt the night time is the white time. Tell him what else tell him all the shows the backroom was was like Raiders of the Lost Ark this back room.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:27<br /> :The guy who ran it his son he's like what a sacred Cyclops<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:36<br /> :that's me I'm the sacred Cyclops.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:38<br /> :talk into the microphone though.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:41<br /> :From the movie that Klansmen you know what they say. What is that an ordained Cyclops or something? He says<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :Doug is the Cyclops folly yesterday or the other day we're talking I II for AI we're talking about dogs with an eye I'm not a bucket Cyclops I have to realize just one's broken<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:05<br /> :so anyways, Raiders of Lost Ark Neph<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:08<br /> :the back room was like Raiders of the Lost Ark when they open that door. It was fucked up. I'm sorry, go ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:14<br /> :Well, that's alright. You got it. Go ahead. Well, the guy's son gave us a tour and we got there at like 1030 in the morning. And his son's walk around with a cup with one of those like foam things to keep it cold. And it was Jack and Coke. You could smell it on him. It was like, you know 10am<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:34<br /> :Yeah, I think their political movement is getting some momentum this year. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:38<br /> :with Bush in office. I mean, Bush is the client as fuck and people are just sucking each other's dicks fucking over bush. I hate I gotta hate that guy. Fucking driving me nuts. He's a retired it was a speaking of the client. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Museum. It was it was fun to go on our on our wedding. It was pretty cool. I'm gonna play this lovely clan song by Johnny rebel I think we can actually dedicate this on Amy. What was the Andy's wife's name? Cindy, this is for Andy and Cindy.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''26:26<br /> :And oh man.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''26:40<br /> :neggers listen now. I'm going to tell you keep from getting towards the when the clan is on the prowl. Stay at home at night and lock your doors a time. Don't go outside or else you find those poses a burden. Now I know you will believe me. So I'm going to to you by the Kagan's because Panasonic G five. I'm warning you when I'm through. You're gonna change your tune. This store is found a nigga. His name was Ilieva he walked into a cafe he thought he'd get a bite. A thought that they would serve him since they passed the civil rights. A waitress told him no. And that he better go he said No ma'am my Uncle Sam say I don't have to go so he sat there in may be and stubborn as a mule no matter what she said he would get up all that's do. He sat there like a jackass said I'm gonna demonstrate. Talk came in here leaving till the hallway just heard and she said I told you. She said if we can treat you right we'll have to treat your phone was in her hands. She gave him one more chance he would go and so she called the pages to close play. When he saw them patients come in leave. I knew it was too late. His eyes popped out his head and his kinky hair got straight. He said oh lousy white folks. I didn't mean a thing. Why did I have to listen to that demonstrated ping. Now niggers understand the tide of pull his hands. He was at the mercy of and cage and Ku Klux Klan. I knew just want to be buy new with two new ones or just say with the Nygard. Now the moral of the story if pain is it in the niggers Mind your business and let us like it better heed my warning and try to understand don't do Doom on the straight around the page and cookbooks plan<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:30<br /> :all right, three ring radio.com Evil now.com horror of horror.com dis genex.com And this is k in the ABCs of well, the alphabet show. Listen next time for<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''29:55<br /> :LMNOP A tabloid<br /> <br /> =Letter L=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_l.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :Oh, h i j k, l m n o p, q r s, N T U V, W X, N Y and Z. I've just said my ABCs now it's your turn. Follow me. A B, C, D E, G, H, i j, k, l m n o p, q r s, n t, v, w x and y and z have had be all our way. Now we learn ABC<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:57<br /> :now<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:03<br /> :see<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:19<br /> :all right, Doug. All right. This is the ABCs we're devoting a half hour segment each letter the alphabet.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:28<br /> :Right now we're on the letter L, which means we're almost halfway through the alphabet and we've had an interesting topic. The local locomotive locomotive correct. We can hear a locomotive in the background<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''01:43<br /> :here that locomotive it was good. We're broadcasting from beautiful downtown Hammond, Indiana.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''01:59<br /> :Home of the most train tracks in the world.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:02<br /> :And I don't know if that's true. But Amy, I'll throw those facts out there and promote wrong information any chance she gets<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:09<br /> :it's close enough.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:11<br /> :Is that supposed to be true?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:13<br /> :That's what I hear at least in the United States. Hammond has the most feet or whatever of train track.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:20<br /> :I would have guessed Tennessee because they're like the biggest distribution center in the United States<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :as far as local state Hammonds the city.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:29<br /> :Oh, yeah, right. Right. Right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:30<br /> :Amy will fuck you up, man. I know. She pulled a knife and now she's got an attitude. I<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:35<br /> :know. She's next to me not you.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:37<br /> :That's why That's how I like it. When TVs everything got a chance to run that way. Every chance I can get large L I'm living large and I am because my poncho and under my shirt is expensive to get this way. large and in charge. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get this way. Eating cheap food. Okay.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:01<br /> :Oh, you earned it right?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:03<br /> :Before I can write if you aren't for our love. Lies Love of minus food. But locomotives. We we live between we live about 1010 feet from I guess we should save this for trains. T T did you give out our websites? I have evil now.com I'm Shane. This is Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:26<br /> :Oh, I have horror of horror.com and TV is guide.com<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:31<br /> :and I'm Doug from the half defunct dis genex.com Yeah, it's<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:35<br /> :just jetix.tumbleweed.com And you know what we're all going to be selling and we should start doing this for the rest of the alphabet telling people we're all going to be selling fuck John Ashcroft shirts on each website. We're going to be selling T shirts through the election.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:54<br /> :What it's a pretty picture right? It's<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:56<br /> :a beautiful design.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:57<br /> :And then Doug here drew the design you'll be able to see that on the web. When you're hearing this show broadcast you'll hear you'll see these on the on the web evil now.com Three Ring radio.com Horror horror.com TV has got well maybe not TV has got that it says<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:13<br /> :defunct as dis Genex and this jetix.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :So go go find the fuck John Ashcroft shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:21<br /> :It's It's sweet. It's a cute image. He's got a crosses in his eyes and he's a rag doll pinned up like Jesus and it says fuck John Ashcroft and nobody can disagree with that sentiment when you wear it. Motherfuckers will know where you're coming from<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''04:35<br /> :anyone even people will say<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:39<br /> :good work. I can see your your thoughtful citizen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:42<br /> :And anyone who would be on like the George Bush side would say who's John Ashcroft?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:46<br /> :Exactly.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:48<br /> :That's right. patriotic. What? Never heard of it.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:51<br /> :Jesus was a white man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:55<br /> :Hey, and that brings up L for losers.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:58<br /> :Right right Jesus You can right up there. George Bush<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:01<br /> :George W. John Ashcroft. Losers losers losers losers l lippie. Losers.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:07<br /> :Lot of losers a<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:09<br /> :lot of losers L<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:12<br /> :A lot of losers like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:15<br /> :He didn't like Lollapalooza.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:18<br /> :I you know, I went to one of them, I think when like the Smashing Pumpkins were with them, which is probably one of the stupidest ones in the early days. But it was it was stupid. I never really liked the Smashing Pumpkins either.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:33<br /> :I've got a Lollapalooza story. Alright, let's get the first Lollapalooza. Funny. Did it did help out with it. Okay. Yeah. I, they used it, they started. They wanted to do booths there. And I sent in, I did a zine naked aggression in the day. And I sent in the zine and they invited me to do a table. And I did that with rock out censorship, John Woods. And so we toured a good chunk of the Lollapalooza, especially the Midwest, did the booths. And it was a good time. And we helped, we really, we took charge that we got all these people to join up and do the booths. And I did this thing called the underground Press Syndicate at the time, and that was the firt It was when ziens were just happening. And in each town, we'd have someone else come from a zine and distribute ziens there and stuff like that. The coolest thing about it was, we had free we had free reign of Lollapalooza, so we get to pull our cars in and unload them. At these booths, we just bring big coolers of beer and whiskey and stuff and drink them at the tables and get donations. You know, it's funny, I never thought of getting a donation, we put an empty cup out there. And we're giving away stuff for free. And I'm stealing flyers from Kinkos and shit and just making it happen. And we put a cup out there. And people start putting dollar bills in it like crazy. And all of a sudden the cups full of dollar bills. And we're like, Holy fuck, this is great. You know, so we're putting in our pockets, and we got a good, you know, two 300 bucks the first day out of donations, just people walking by. And all we would do is in every area, we'd call up all the alternative papers and ziens and they just drop off a bunch of resumes and we just stand there and hand out their<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''07:16<br /> :their stuff, right Cami,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''07:18<br /> :you know, Nazi we didn't give a shit. And so we had people throwing stuff back at us, you know, Nazi magazines, fuck, you know, like, I go get magazines from the Klan and Nazis or the gay papers or, you know, every single thing you could think of when we were handing it out. And we got refused and resist involved in Lollapalooza. And the thing, the reason I never did two or three, I sort of quit after the number, the first one, when they called me to do number two, I didn't help them out with that. But that because refusal resist was, was invited. And they refused and resisted every single rule. And Lollapalooza was mad and wanted to kick them off the tour. And we're all like, what do you expect when you invite refuse and resist? They refuse and resist? You know, they're like, Fuck your rules. Fuck this. They were all great. You know, they were hostile people, but they were cool people unless you started laying down a lot of rules. They just weren't rule kind of people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:13<br /> :But you said you got people to help out at the tables. You just get people to do the work for you to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:20<br /> :win in certain two cities. I couldn't afford to travel so we just let other people take it over. Oh, we did the Midwest but do what work. It was fun. We just hung out and did that shit like oh, you know how I got on the Lollapalooza was ministry Ministry had taken a liking to liking L to naked aggression. I was doing a zine back in the day before the home computer explosion. So we'd literally like break into offices to use the computers and use photocopy machines and stuff. And ministry took a liking to naked aggression. This guy that owns a star 99 floor Mickey Levine L. And his brother Ted Levine, the guy who starred in Silence of the Lambs. Well, Mickey took a liking to me and my zine and that introduced me to like people in ministry and they took they actually like Al Jourgensen. And these guys carried magazines onto their bus parked in front of the thing and put them on there and handed them out on some of their tours. So they gave them out to the right people. And I started getting attention from the right people.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:20<br /> :That sounds like the good Lollapalooza I went to a shitty while Dude, it was<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:23<br /> :the one where they had that one display with the flag where you had to walk on the flag to sign a book at every stop on the tour, man, someone got their face busted open, there'd be a guy standing there and you step on the flag and it was like a line it was funny. There was a line of fucking guys with shirts off you know, bait you know, football guys jock mentality, guys, and there'd be a line of fucking other people, you know, like my kind of people and they'd stand in line walk on the flag to sign the book and some guide fucking hit him back. You know, they'd fight and there'd be blood drips off from this flag. It was beautiful. It was so fucking cool, because people would fistfight over this display and It's all fucking day, like every 15 minutes on the hour, it was like every 15 minutes on the 15 minute it was like, bam and other fight by that flag fucking display. And then by the end of the show, there was just drips of blood leading away from this flag. So the really the end result, there are some photos of that. I'm sure they're out there somewhere. I saw people taking pictures of it. The end result was this nice drip of blood. And it was really like that fights all the time. But that display was cool.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:26<br /> :Was that the first level? Yeah, Jane's Addiction. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:29<br /> :yeah. And iced tea and all that stuff. And it wasn't ministry number two.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:34<br /> :Yeah. And iced tea couldn't play cop killer because all of a sudden, like four years after this CD came out, it was a big deal. And so every other band on that show to play saying, Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:46<br /> :Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. They all did. Everyone did a version of cop killer. But<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:51<br /> :that's all right. Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:52<br /> :it was great. Because this rise to copula. You have to love that song. You have to, I guess unless you're a cop.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:00<br /> :I think there's a lot of Palooza this year.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:04<br /> :It's so super commercial now, though.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:07<br /> :Oh, yeah. You know what Lollapalooza this year got canceled. Oh, no. One bought tickets rule just got cancelled? Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:14<br /> :That's embarrassing. I think it was Jay. I think Jane's Addiction was coming back to and playing with him and everything else. The old farts are coming back even if Guns and Roses not well, not goes and Rose Velvet Revolver or whatever.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:26<br /> :That's always a it's usually a bad thing. Ministry. Skinny puppy. You want to talk about old timers coming back? Just getting puppies coming back. You like them. So they're not old timers, but they are 20 years in the making or something like that they belong. They're eligible almost for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at this point.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:42<br /> :It's true. First out was like 84, I think was 8284 Skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:48<br /> :Oh, yeah. They when they played assimilate. When we saw him, they said, we recorded this song. 20 years ago, I mean, skinny<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:55<br /> :puppies eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And you don't look at him like that, because they still somewhat do some cutting edge stuff. And they're still hit, but you got to think about it. I 15 years later, I'm just hearing getting hip to the shit through Ami. So they're just I'm just understanding their relevance on the whole community. And how they started the trend of Goth, industrial, that whole movement that's going strong now. And it almost seems a shame they play such small venues. They should be in this fucking stadium being worshipped like Metallica. You know, like idol worship, because they're doing some fucking good stuff better than Metallica. Oh, for sure. God, I hate Metallica. I don't mean even compare skinny puppy that, but they sort of deserve that huge recognition that the same recognition that would make you and Amy skinny puppy fans probably hate them. But they sort of deserve that when I see and they deserve some commercial success. Probably no,<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''12:45<br /> :I've gotten over that whole elitist music thing. You know, I actually want to see people who do good work be recognized for it. There was a time when I thought you know that this is my band. I don't want anybody else to hear it. You know what I mean? Well, then you go through with it. Anybody deserves that? Oh, for<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:02<br /> :sure. For sure. Most of the people at the show when we saw him had never seen him before. It was their first<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:08<br /> :12 years. 12 I mean, last time they came through Detroit, I was too young to see him.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:12<br /> :Exactly. Well, they did two shows in Chicago and one was all ages. So it was all kids who would have never been able to see them before<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:18<br /> :sort of skinny puppy have anything to do with L is it love lost.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:24<br /> :Now we went from Lollapalooza to bands.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:28<br /> :I'm just kidding. I'm just saying. Amy loves skinny puppy. I know. She absolutely loves them. I've very rarely do I see her have such a good time at a show. So it was really cool to take her to skinny puppy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:38<br /> :I love lesbians. And that's an owl. Ooh, do<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:40<br /> :I love lesbians and love watching girls kiss even if they're not lesbians just to watch girls kiss? I don't even need porno like blatant porn. Just to watch girls kiss would be very nice for me. That's all but you know what? We're gonna play another al LaVey right? You know your father. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:00<br /> :Love A we saw those girls kissing in a horror movie today though. They looked like they hated touching each other.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:08<br /> :Maybe what song Am I playing here?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:10<br /> :There's one here lies love. That's Oh, Here<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:13<br /> :Lies Love. Which one is that? Trek 14 on this wonderful Anton LaVey Satan takes a holiday entitled a founder of The Church of Satan. And this this fine recording is put out by reptilian records. You should check out reptilian records.com Chris X is one hell of a guy.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''14:35<br /> :Yeah, and so no, um, you only know his name.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''14:37<br /> :Yeah, you don't know Chris X. You only know his name. You got it motherfucker. Chris sucks. Oh Fuck yo X stands for cutting the axe in your fucking windpipe and sucking the life out of you. I can't wait to meet them. Excellent Chris X reptilian records.com And this is Anton LaVey. And Here Lies Love. For the l show alphabet L A And we'll come back I mean Amy have a really cool and time of a story. We were the last people to interview so they're<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:07<br /> :the last L<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:09<br /> :yeah the last contract the old man who who tried to be relevant now 25 years later you know I'm talking to you Boyd rice or whoever is telling people that you did the last interview. All right. It's me and Amy and we know better so fans of Boyd rice just relaxed Am I right Amy it's true it's true and we have credit for that so so you losers<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:58<br /> :when melancholy when finale for my tragedy, like very mad for only me while I linger weary NEPA WillowTree right here our romance was started here again we are when I said you free Oh my God everything is blue all the word has shattered<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:39<br /> :in<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:42<br /> :my heart is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:52<br /> :I can't believe<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:55<br /> :you're gone<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:05<br /> :guys daughter<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:08<br /> :I hear a lot he sounds sad as in mournful Michael is so late<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:33<br /> :last dreams is up<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:41<br /> :to you gave you gave I gave all<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:56<br /> :cry my eyes are dry<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:02<br /> :there's only one thing I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:14<br /> :darling and?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:57<br /> :I ought to cry my eyes are dry there's only one thing I'm conscious<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:11<br /> :I only know I can go<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:17<br /> :darling<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:36<br /> :Well, that was Nick bogus singing and Anton LaVey. pounded on the libraries. The Calliope L the alphabet show the alphabet of ABCs. The ABCs of the alphabet. We don't really have a solid name for this concept. Dog.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:57<br /> :Yes, this genex.com<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:58<br /> :Correct AMI horrid horrid.com and Shane from evil now.com<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:05<br /> :That's us. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:06<br /> :you should pick up the fuck John Ashcroft shirt we're gonna sell on the websites while you can. It's cool. What else for law? L we have LaVey Anton LaVey. We have good story for that. Yes. What else do we have for Al? Anything else?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:24<br /> :Oh, Ron Hubbard, who? L Ron<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:25<br /> :Hubbard,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''20:26<br /> :but none of us ever interviewed him? I don't believe<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:29<br /> :no, but what else do we have for Al?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:33<br /> :LSD?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:34<br /> :Oh, yeah, let's do we have nine minutes. We got to have to fucking stick an LSD story in there. Well, the way stuff is old with me and Amy. Anyway, we did that we did the last interview with et al. last interview with<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''20:46<br /> :Anton LaVey. People can read it online if they're interested. Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:49<br /> :it's on the Church of Satan website. And you can click that and find out that it is the last interview with Anton LaVey through the church of satan.com website. And you can read that online and we had a hell of a time hanging out with Anton LaVey. We ate double stuffed Korean cookies, Oreo cookies, and drank instant coffee and listened to him listened owl to tickle the ivories in his kitchen in his kitchen. It was real cool and hung out in his room got to see RAS Putin's a chair from Ras Putin's and Crowley's pipe relay and the coffin Susan Atkins. Oh, yeah, man, he had all that shit laid out they'd love a fucking the shit no shit in his parlor parlor. We hung out there and we saw the we saw the mantel like the fireplace the the altar altar, the altar, I'm sorry, the mantel, the altar, whatever, that that Jane Mansfield was bowing down in front of so it's real cool. It's a real cool experience at all. It was really and you know, you'll pick up go to Amy site or my site. And we'll we have stories about that. And, you know, links and whatnot. Yeah, we talked about this a lot. So it's not something we want to do on the oil show. You should just buy our book, Memoirs of a madman and available@amazon.com No, that's not our book. But you know, eventually it'll be there. If Doug has anything to do with it, we're going to be on amazon.com Two or three books faster. He's working on a book about Ami. That'll be out in October.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:33<br /> :Right, right. I'm working on a cure to that we're gonna book for each you just compiling information.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:39<br /> :Have you ever done LSD? Dog? No, no,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''22:42<br /> :I worked for the Homeland Security Department. You fucking have to be straight a loser. I have to collect information on you and turn it into John Ashcroft.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:50<br /> :Asshole. The first time I did LSD. I was a freshman in high school.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:55<br /> :LSD l Oh, yeah. Did you put lick Tottenville LSD? Okay, forget that.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:04<br /> :I would say it was liquid, but it wasn't a this friend of mine got this acid for me and a girlfriend of mine. And this other girl we knew wasn't going to take it in case anything bad happened because she had taken it before. So this guy takes us to his friend's house and Hammond and this house was so scary and it was in such a bad name. So<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:26<br /> :in Hammond in Hammond, Sudan lived in Calumet City at the time. Right? Right. So it was over now, but<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:31<br /> :yet I lived on the Illinois side of the border. And Hammond is just across on the Indiana side. And it was people from Calumet City in Illinois thought ill Hammond. So anyway, and they were right. Yeah. So we ended up with this weird little house. These people who had sold us the acid and they were friends of this, this guy knew. And we're hanging out with them. And it was like a couple of couples and they were real freaky, hippie looking people. And this girl came in and she was like, all freaking out. And she was showing the other girl she had blood on her knife. And I guess the two girls were prostitutes. And this guy had attack. slots, the guy had attacked this girl one of her jobs. And so she stabbed up and then got out of the car and ran over to these people's house. And so all this drama is going on the lady, the couple whose house it was the guy comes up to me and my girlfriend and we're both tripping. And he starts knocking on his leg and it sounds like I work freaking out because we're tripping our brains out. And we're like, oh my God, what's going on? And the guy's like, look at my leg and he had a wooden leg and he was knocking on it for us. We were totally free.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''24:43<br /> :Oh, that's fucking awesome.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:45<br /> :Did you peek through the knothole and his wooden leg?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:47<br /> :No, no, I didn't see a knothole but it was quite an evening and lascivious.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''24:53<br /> :That doesn't sound like the time to be high. l lewd No,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''24:57<br /> :it was really scary. And then all of those people threw us out out because the girl who had just stabbed the guy was freaking out. So this other couple was like, Oh, we live in the back house, come come back to our house. And we go in their house and it's not a house. It's a garage, like a one car garage. But they've built this little plywood floor. And they have this twin bed in the corner. And this like really likes cricket couch on the other wall. And then they just had this weird like shower with like a plastic bag, you know, like with no drainage. Like they must have had to go empty the bag after they took a shower. And that was their house. It was freaky<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''25:38<br /> :in somebody's backyard in the other garage. Oh, boy. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:42<br /> :can't remember the first time I took acid. I may be that burnt out.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:48<br /> :Unfortunately, I can't forget. Yeah, right. I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:51<br /> :wish I could remember the first time I took acid I'm sure it was a beautiful experience. I really like LSD. I liked it. I find my old age and I prefer just mushrooms because it's something more I can control. LSD, you can lose control, you know you can have, you might poop your pants maybe.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''26:10<br /> :So you have lost control on LSD. You know<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''26:13<br /> :what you do lose control I did you get more emotional, you can have a bad trip on mushrooms I can cannot see having a bad trip ever. I mean, I am a person who if I could. And when I get older in my retirement, if I made a lot of money I would want to, you know, eat mushrooms every fucking day. Like in my 50s or something if I'm retired, I just chew mushrooms for months on end and be on a fucking beach in Hawaii and chew mushrooms and hang out because it's it's something that it and alters your reality but not so bad that you're not in reality. It's just sort of, you know, it's fun. I don't know you'd giggle at shit that maybe most people wouldn't giggle at but I like mushrooms or LSD. L we have two minutes left.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:02<br /> :I was gonna add though with LSD. This is for the kids. With LSD you're supposed to take in sugar with it. That's why they used to put it on sugar cubes. It opens your capillaries helps the blood flow to your head better. And they say when you get that because sometimes that's what a bad trip is it gets you don't have as much blood going your head and people start tripping tripping out big.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:25<br /> :No, but you know how you get rid of a bad trip?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:28<br /> :How's that dairy,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''27:30<br /> :eat it milkshake? Or you could you know, snort some coke. But that's how you get rid of okay, cocaine will get rid of an acid trip and so will dairy products acid<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:40<br /> :right now I'd give you a try. We give you some of this cocaine we have here and see if it would get rid of your bad trip or a trip. We could do the Serbian experiment if anyone's listening and we have the cocaine we want to do an experiment normally, this is not to ingest drugs. It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:59<br /> :You take one it cancels the other and you say Amy will<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''28:02<br /> :know Amy will go dear, you're wrong,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:04<br /> :bro. If Amy cuts a line of cocaine, it's gonna be like a fucking cigar. Amy does not fudge she does not do dainty drugs. That's all I'm saying. She's not the dainty drug user.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:15<br /> :And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it right.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:18<br /> :But she'll fucking fuck up a guy. I mean, you know there's there's certain things it's like you don't think holy motherfucker it'd be if you're gonna party with him and be ready. So I'm saying that'd be prepared.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:30<br /> :Ready for the fucking heart attack. We're<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:32<br /> :talking about lines now. Lines. Okay, and I've seen her dump out a whole goddamn thing and put a line on it. Is that it? What the fuck?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:43<br /> :The first one's the best one. Why not just make the first one to remember the kind<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:47<br /> :of ladies that put you in the grave early. That's it.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:51<br /> :Now this is a lesson to me.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:53<br /> :You know how to have lady killers. She's a man killer. Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker soul taker. Line maker.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:01<br /> :She's a maniac. Whoa. Well, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:05<br /> :like war. I felt like I do drugs and you love lines.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:09<br /> :lol Oh, I<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:11<br /> :haven't done lines in 20 years.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:12<br /> :But you have some here to do. Don't you know comment?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:15<br /> :Oh,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:18<br /> :well, we got to no comment. You can't come.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:21<br /> :But she's not doing it for the show. That's the good thing. It's only for you know,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:24<br /> :for recreation. Other time not for experimental headaches. She has migraines. It's not for your entertainment you Fox.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:32<br /> :Yeah, that was it. That was the alphabet show. L M is next week. Shane evil now.com Doug dysgenesis.com Amy Horeb horror.com See you later. Bye. Say goodbye Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''29:47<br /> :Goodbye. See your for em.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:52<br /> :Can I start the other one up right away? Yeah. Cool. We shall<br /> <br /> =Letter M=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_m.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter N=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_n.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter O=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_o.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> <br /> =Letter P=<br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_p.mp3}}<br /> <br /> [Needs auto-generated text]<br /> =Letter Q=<br /> <br /> {{Audio|url=https://archive.org/download/abcshow/abcshow_q.mp3}}<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:00<br /> :The Yubo Biggie by Bobo aka J AEC. See Isaac is IC o Soseki. guys I'll see you soon as they decide so So, the idea of arrows are all joined together on the letter D II think<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''00:28<br /> :Da da da, da di Di Di, di GUAQJJJ J J, J, J, J J J J J J U<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''01:25<br /> :you<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''01:49<br /> :don't not even sure which what the track is called but it's got a real cool like Calliope type loop, you know?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:00<br /> :What are you talking about that<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:01<br /> :skinny puppy used to play guinea pig to in the background at some of their shows in one of their songs makes reference to it that he says something about the samurai Doctor dismembering.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:16<br /> :While it's cool, I'll have to listen to that. Yeah, that was a crazy movie that was really gross. Which one companion to the pig.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:25<br /> :Okay, what do we do you know what? Who's going to introduce this this segment? This letter sponsored by the letter Q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:33<br /> :I'll do Q.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''02:34<br /> :Q. What up? It's a Q What up? Hey, wow.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''02:38<br /> :You ended up for Q? It's the alphabet show. Or as Doug says the ABCs of Phil. Shane, what are you calling it?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''02:50<br /> :I really haven't heard anything that sounds good. At all. It sounds quiere que I have to be honest. I mean,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''02:56<br /> :nothing is quality. Quite clear what nothing of quality.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:01<br /> :Exactly. But it's the concept that counts.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:04<br /> :Every every episode of the show is another letter of the alphabet. And we're at Q so we're more than half I thought<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:11<br /> :this was W so I have some weed. Oh, by all means,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:16<br /> :and it's Shane bugby. Doug Messner. And me. I'm Amy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:23<br /> :I thought this was W for weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:28<br /> :Q for<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:30<br /> :Q and so, control No, I<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''03:32<br /> :like to think of when I think of weed I like to think of quitter. Because weed reminds me to just quit. Why? Why play the game? When there's no fucking possibility of winning? The fucking quitter.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''03:49<br /> :gotta quit. gotta quit anger<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''03:53<br /> :to quit refusing the weed.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''03:55<br /> :No, no, none for me. Are you quitting? I'm quitting for now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:03<br /> :Now in the spirit of Jay, when you describe to me what a Jehovah's Witnesses are all about, perhaps somebody can fill me in on what the Quakers are all<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:09<br /> :about. Quakers about sucking and fucking.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:13<br /> :They're like Amish people, aren't they? Except they're not Amish.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:17<br /> :They're kind of like a cross between Amish and Masonic or something because they have their weird kind of<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:22<br /> :religion. They do a good oatmeal.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:26<br /> :William Penn. I remember doing a book report on him in third grade.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''04:30<br /> :That's fucking P not q.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:33<br /> :Well, he was a Quaker Penn stations named after him, but I'm not quite sure what he did.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:43<br /> :So Quakers they have secret handshakes?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:45<br /> :I believe so. And they have funny beards. They've got the Cambo going on.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''04:51<br /> :But they don't have like the Jewish curls at this on their sideburns. Do they<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''04:56<br /> :think they're more of the powdered wig people<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:00<br /> :Are they queers?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:04<br /> :I don't know. I think a lot of those secret societies have some weird gay sex rituals going on. Fucking A spell working. I didn't talk about that for pee. The Paris working in Crowley called rally we'll figure Paris working and it was just about him. You know, doing his assistant in the butt.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:31<br /> :Well, you got Queen Latifah<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:34<br /> :cleanly TV. You know what Amy has a good CD to play. There's a lot of two minutes songs. So you want to just play like five of those two minutes songs. Amy? Yeah,<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:43<br /> :that'll be fun. You know,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''05:44<br /> :they're like one and a half. I'll just find the shorter songs and go in order. Yeah, that sounds okay. Well, why don't you introduce this first song, we'll do it. And I'll talk about Queen Latif when we come back<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''05:55<br /> :all right, we'll just say hey, we just got<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''05:59<br /> :Shane and Queen Latifah match made in heaven or something<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''06:14<br /> :World Peace world peace from the kromaggs from the agent?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''06:45<br /> :again?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''07:51<br /> :Got<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:01<br /> :it kromaggs And you know I was thinking that the kromaggs are Harry Krishna was the Harry cruiser hardcore mother Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''08:36<br /> :My mother, Harry Krishna hardcore ban. The market is saturated with them.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''08:46<br /> :I saw him live one time and they were telling everybody between each song Don't forget to buy our vegetarian cookbook $5 at the table.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''08:54<br /> :Amy,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''08:55<br /> :can you explain why you're talking about the kromaggs on the letter Q of the letters show or alphabet show or<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:03<br /> :cuz I'm really stretching it and the name of the CD is called the age of quarrel. That's a cue.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''09:10<br /> :And it is one of the best Olds old school albums or CDs.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:15<br /> :Absolutely. It's funny. I always thought these guys were like walking with your mic, dog and talk really holy, you know, because they were Harry Krishnas and stuff. And they were vegetarians, and they live like these clean lives. And I remember they were in Chicago when the or at least the singer was John Joseph. He was in Chicago when the mentors were in town. And he made a trek all the way across town to come and meet the mentors because he loved the mentors. And I thought that was the oddest thing that this holy guy this Harry Krishna would want to meet the mentors.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:51<br /> :Your mom like their album cover.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''09:53<br /> :It's true.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''09:54<br /> :Cliff or not to<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''09:56<br /> :Cliff. Sure, when you gotta you got Yeah, sometimes you really pumped some air into there too.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''10:04<br /> :Well, I wouldn't know. I think Doug is admitting to have a vagina and a penis right now.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:10<br /> :I'm admitting to pumping some air into some vagina.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:12<br /> :Do you have a cloth? What is it? Are you a hermit for quite? What is the cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:20<br /> :I think it was off is like some type of hair. Do you know something less than 30 is<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:25<br /> :good. Is that the kind of hair to Penn Jillette as does he have a cloth?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''10:30<br /> :Because Quakers have a cloth<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:33<br /> :or hair slicked back at the sides but really poofy at the top guy<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''10:37<br /> :that's pendula isn't a cloth. That's Foley, the cue cloth. That's funny. What a funny word. I love funny words like schmuck. And what else do we put Putin? Because your Putin Putin,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''10:52<br /> :Putin never heard it as your Putin. Sorry. Okay, is<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:00<br /> :your Putin hanging? How's your Putin hanging? Right? Putin is funny smock is funny if you think say smart three times. Do it. Dog smack smack<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:09<br /> :smack<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:10<br /> :that doesn't start with Q.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:12<br /> :I don't think so.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:13<br /> :I always liked Qaddafi. And you know, that's a cue. Yeah, they spell it with a cute<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:19<br /> :dog you should do a fuck Qaddafi shirt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:22<br /> :I love Qaddafi he's<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:23<br /> :old he's kids don't even know<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:28<br /> :it to a Metallica concert<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''11:29<br /> :Paris Hilton. I love wearing that shirt because it's so retro. Qaddafi retro retro right it's retro what leaves me with Well, let's well it's retro wore<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:44<br /> :the crucifix have a song about Gaddafi.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''11:48<br /> :glorifying Him or otherwise<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''11:50<br /> :saying they're sorry that we bombed that his house and killed his children. I guess they're on his side.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:02<br /> :Maybe ya know a lot about it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:06<br /> :Quiet riot. que<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:09<br /> :nada. No.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:11<br /> :You know what I thought when I said Q is a quiet riot. And then I remembered I had a story for quiet, right? It's quite simply there. The reason I dropped out of high school. I remember going to some sort of assembly or something. And they played quiet riot. And it drove me nuts.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''12:27<br /> :It does it we're gonna ban all heavy metal music.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''12:30<br /> :No, it was just quiet riot. It was so clear. It's an odd I drove me like I was embarrassed to be anywhere around there. And it was really clear. And I couldn't handle it. And I ran far away from it. And it was quiet riot pumping through the sound system. In high school that I think drove me it was one of the reasons crucial reasons and that's no joke.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''12:52<br /> :I'm surprised you didn't hang yourself in the bathroom. I know. Is that what tonight? No after hearing quiet riot<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:00<br /> :night's not over yet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:04<br /> :You're surprised I didn't hang myself in the bathroom myself specific.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:09<br /> :I don't know in school, you go to the bathroom. I would think if you're going to commit suicide, I would think<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:15<br /> :Yeah, you never you never skipped class to hang yourself in the bedroom. Like a rite of passage.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:21<br /> :Somehow I just imagined students being tortured with quiet right running into the school washrooms and committing suicide. Not specifically you I just means<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''13:32<br /> :I might have committed suicide my high school bathroom but my body would have been sodomized and I can can deal with it.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''13:39<br /> :You have committed suicide. Because you're right. I think we should play another kromagg So<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''13:45<br /> :yeah, let's have it<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''14:05<br /> :Wow<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:37<br /> :Oh, al Qaeda,<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''15:39<br /> :you got talking to the mic the al Qaeda<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''15:41<br /> :network, you know, home of angry Hispanics<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:45<br /> :are they banned<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:48<br /> :queef qui force dog?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''15:51<br /> :I'm trying I've been fine.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''15:53<br /> :If you go to dis jewish.com Doug has photos of his posi and his dick.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:00<br /> :I'm trying to queef out of either one of them.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:02<br /> :They call dog the queef Master General<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:07<br /> :that's lucky you know if you're going to be a hermaphrodite you want to just be a hermaphrodite. Rather than have your parents or a physician decide which sex you should be.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:15<br /> :I want to be able to fuck yourself.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:17<br /> :You think that's what Chuck Schneider meant by the with the song pull the plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:26<br /> :Maybe what is that slang for fucking yourself? On the blog?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''16:31<br /> :hermaphrodite? Zach says you<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''16:33<br /> :could you add that? Could you add that to the Urban Dictionary? Please duck that, you know, the guy from death does this great song. Oh, that blog. It gets listed in the urban dictionary is fucking yourself. Ruin ruins his song. He's like Chuck Berry. Or was that guy? Little Richard<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''16:55<br /> :or whoever else? Barry Hasselhoff? Yeah, right, David?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''16:59<br /> :He's just a pussy.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:00<br /> :Is there a q&amp;a that?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:02<br /> :I didn't realize that was the scientific term for that? What? queef No. pulling the plug when you when hermaphrodites have sex with themselves?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:12<br /> :You pull a plug.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:15<br /> :It's better than giving yourself a blow job. I'd imagine.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:19<br /> :queef I've only seen pictures of that. Yeah, me<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:24<br /> :too. I sent Shane those pictures to<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:30<br /> :dude, what was wrong with you? I want to know what's wrong with you say? Hey,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:36<br /> :I thought we should interview this guy who can suck his dick and put it on the internet. And you don't want to talk to this man.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:44<br /> :Doug's admitting that while the things running on tape.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''17:46<br /> :I wonder if it's the same guy from the no nothing circus who used to do that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''17:51<br /> :It probably is.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:53<br /> :The guy just goes around the country sucking his own. Does<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''17:55<br /> :this have to do with a queue?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''17:57<br /> :I don't. It's we're<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:00<br /> :okay, there you go.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:04<br /> :I was bummed when that circus stayed at our house because the guy we saw him in the in this little magazine that they sent before they came pictures of him sucking his own deck but then when he was over, he just sat there quietly watching television politely.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:20<br /> :Quietly What did you want from him in your own house?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:25<br /> :Well, I would have put down a towel quiet for a demonstration Quiet<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:33<br /> :quiet some quality and<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''18:34<br /> :if you come to my house be prepared to serve and our protect.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''18:39<br /> :That was crazy.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:41<br /> :I don't sleep belly down. That's right. I wake up I can steal my mud.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''18:49<br /> :He's way you know it was after Amy and the B and the B show he told a little story about butter fist at Doug's afraid, likes real afraid.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''18:58<br /> :We're chesty belt.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:00<br /> :I do have a pair of rubber gloves unused in my in the rooms.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:04<br /> :boudoir. Yes. And the boudoir, rubber gloves.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:09<br /> :Rubber gloves in the boudoir.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown Speaker  '''19:14<br /> :What's next letter R as our ream ream<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:24<br /> :rim job.<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:26<br /> :You can't skip ahead. You can't skip ahead. Yeah, that's true. What about Queen<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:30<br /> :Latifah? Shane. You were on Queen Latifah before I don't<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:33<br /> :feel like telling any stories don't know why<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:38<br /> :I guess it's time to take a break<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:40<br /> :I'll be getting people aren't going to infer anything from your facial expression<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:44<br /> :I'm getting what so silly and stone I'm getting quiet you know quiet cue this is this. This is what I think<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''19:51<br /> :quiet sure, but I guess let's play another song. It's quiet.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''19:55<br /> :Oh yeah, we will play another song right<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''19:56<br /> :or will that people feel are<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''20:24<br /> :there. coro age of Korra Amy?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:35<br /> :Yeah, Doug. Yep.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:40<br /> :I'm just making sure everyone's awake still. You're not quitters?<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''21:44<br /> :Right? No quitters here. You've got quality<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''21:55<br /> :What were we talking about? Quality? That was age coral. Coral que Queen Latifah. I was telling Doug yesterday, Doug had never heard that I was on Queen Latifah. So it's a story fresh in my mind. Sort of fresh, Queen Le t for those. They asked me to go out to the on the show for internet. Bad stuff on the internet, what was in unsavory stuff on the internet? And so I was like, fine, no problem. I would love to get a plug for some of the websites. And it was for a website called Dana Plato. cult.com. I used to have. And so I go out there and find out right after I get some makeup on that. Dana planos Plato's family's there and not wanting to get lynched.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''22:56<br /> :And they wanted to confront you, right? Yeah. They<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''22:59<br /> :wanted to confront me and I, the show wasn't live. And I didn't want to get edited down and I wanted, you know, I knew anything could happen. It was it was in their control. So, boy, this is a this is a hard story to tell. I mean, I feel like talking anymore.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:23<br /> :You've had it with the queen Latif.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:25<br /> :Tell Doug this this fucking story. Last night I tie these stories get old<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''23:30<br /> :quandary about the queen.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''23:33<br /> :Yeah, they get old after a while. I've told the story 100 times probably people have already heard it anyway. But they fucking lied to me. And I wanted to leave the show. I didn't want to be on there. I wasn't gonna get stuck on a segment with Dana, Plato's family by myself. And I tried to leave they had these two big black cards that like are from Rikers Island, the prison. They brought me back down to my room and locked me in it. I used my cell phone called 911 got the New York Police Department there. The producer of the show comes down threatens to sue me for $100,000 for the cost of the show that I'm destroying. long and the short of it, I tell him, he's got to he had to pay to get me on the show. And I made him pay out of his pocket like a parking ticket, you know, for lying to me because he said he wouldn't pay. He wouldn't pay. They couldn't pay for me to be on the show. So I said, you know, empty out your pockets. Because I was going to leave and I guess the show would have been ruined and he would look bad. So he paid me the money. We went I went out there was funny. They sent these big black guys to stand around me to take me out there and all these people had heard what happened and had gotten riled up the whole crowd. So they started spitting on at me, but these big black guys were all around me so they were getting hit by the spit. So it's sort of funny. It was black spitting on blacks because the whole crowd was Black was like all these really degenerate people like all on welfare it look like it was just a real smelly fucking crowd.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''25:13<br /> :You were on there after the Dana Plato's x in laws or whatever was I after? I think, yeah, you were after. So they were all angered up because you did the segment's separately. You had your own<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''25:24<br /> :set. Yeah. And they tried to accuse me not wanting to face off with them, which is not true. And we later did live on Court TV, me and Amy, but that I'll tell you about that in a second. So I go out there and they're yelling and screaming about making money and I say what do you know about making money? You're on fucking welfare. Fuck you. Queen Latifah comes out tells me I'm exploiting Dana, Plato's death. And I said no more. The only thing that's different about me and you as you're making hundreds of 1000s of dollars off exploiting Dana, Plato's death off of the show here. I'll be lucky to make a couple $1,000 You know, and I had embarrassed Queen Latif and with the first couple of questions, I saw her turn red, she'd left the show for a little bit and came back on and had said, and you'll see if you ever see a videotape of it, it says she says, uh, you know, This show isn't live. And they edit me down. They blur my face. I don't get to say anything. But it's fun. It looks cool. I've always wanted to be someone like that. So it's like I was on spring or something like, fuck you fuck you was like, and Jimmy Kimmel does this bit every Friday called Unnecessary Censorship. And it's real funny. You got to see I can't describe it. But it was similar like they were blurred my blurring me where it looked like I was probably yelling obscenities. But I was and I was just talking, and they blurred all my answers. And it was an interesting experience. Because we were yelling at each other. I was yelling at Queen Latifah. I was yelling at the crowd. I was telling them, they're on welfare. They smoke crack, and they're losers and quitters. Cue. And at the end of the show, Queen Latifah came up and shook my hand and said, thanks for being on the show. Everything was cool. And I was shocked. They wouldn't she wouldn't take a picture of me with me. And that's the only thing that's the only thing I didn't tell you yesterday dog was what was the only thing I wanted? Was her to take a picture with me. And she wouldn't. What? Why?<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''27:20<br /> :Why did you want that?<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''27:21<br /> :Um, it because she was she's famous. It's good for PR. I mean, I plan on doing a book stuff like that. So I wanted to document me being on Queen Latifah. And you know, I'd had I've met Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, Winfrey. You know, I've met people like that. And it's nice to have a photo. I have a photo of Jerry Springer. Why? one more photo with Oprah. No, but I would love to have it. See, that's why we're clean the teeth. And now look, she's won an Oscar award or whatever. Yeah, so. So I mean, if I would have that, and there's a reason she wouldn't let me because she was protecting her, her,<br /> <br /> '''Doug Misicko  '''28:00<br /> :her image investment or whatever image.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:03<br /> :And so that's, I want it for that for that because I'm in this in this kind of business where I want something that promote some of the things I do and sell. So that's just a way to promote things I do as a person. I've shied away from things like that. Well, I guess I did stand in line and meet Ozzy Osbourne and do but I guess I like meeting famous people want to know, but quality if it was business, but she wouldn't take a photo with me. And that was that. And this is the ABC show. And I'm Shane. Evil now.com That's Doug from dis genex.com Until stage right, that's Amy from horror of horror.com. Look for the fuck John Ashcroft shirt on all those lovely websites and you're gonna get a free one inch pin that says Pope's nose. That comes straight from Amy's Pope's nose tears.<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''28:54<br /> :You gotta have the Pope's nose.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''28:56<br /> :Yeah. And this show is going to be the last for the night. I think you guys want to try to do our I'll take that as a no done. So this is the last show and this was this has been two days now. We've been going through the alphabet, just thrown out letters and the first thing that first things that come to our mind. Boy, it's like 3am So it's pretty late. Yeah, well check out evil now.com Three Ring, three ring radio.com dis genex.com horror of horror.com and TV is god.com and tune in next time for our our<br /> <br /> '''Amy Bugbee  '''29:39<br /> :hires an exciting letter.<br /> <br /> '''Shane Bugbee  '''29:43<br /> :Our robot are like a pirate fucking redundant.<br /> <br /> =Letter R=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter S=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter T=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter U=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter V=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter W=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter X=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Y=<br /> [Missing]<br /> <br /> =Letter Z=<br /> [Missing]</div>

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<p>Osmiris: Link correction</p> <hr /> <div>{{Lawsuits<br /> <br /> | title=Satanic Temple, The v. Belle Plaine, City of (&quot;Satanic Temple I&quot;)<br /> <br /> | image=[[File:TST_Belle_Plaine_Veterans_Monument.jpeg|250px]]<br /> <br /> | caption=Monument intended for veterans park<br /> <br /> | filedate=4/25/2019<br /> <br /> | jurisdiction=US District Court for the District of Minnesota<br /> <br /> | plaintiff=The Satanic Temple Inc.<br /> <br /> | defendant=City of Belle Plaine, Minnesota; Mayor Christopher Meyer; and Councillors Ben Stier, Cary Coop, Paul Chard, and Theresa McDaniel (all Terminated - July 31, 2020)<br /> <br /> <br /> | intervenor=N/A<br /> <br /> | state=Minnesota<br /> <br /> | case=[https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/15064653/satanic-temple-the-v-belle-plaine-city-of/ 0:19-cv-01122-WMW-JFD]<br /> <br /> | result=Dismissed (failure)<br /> <br /> | appeal1=Appealed (ongoing)<br /> | appeal2=N/A <br /> | appeal3=N/A<br /> | finalresult=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> {{Lawsuits<br /> <br /> | title=Satanic Temple, Inc v. Belle Plaine, City of (&quot;Satanic Temple II&quot;)<br /> <br /> | image=<br /> <br /> | caption=<br /> <br /> | filedate=2/04/2021<br /> <br /> | jurisdiction=US District Court for the District of Minnesota<br /> <br /> | plaintiff=The Satanic Temple Inc.<br /> <br /> | defendant=City of Belle Plaine, MN<br /> <br /> | intervenor=N/A<br /> <br /> | state=Minnesota<br /> <br /> | case=[https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59240138/satanic-temple-inc-the-v-city-of-belle-plaine-mn/ 0:2021cv00336]<br /> <br /> | result=Dismissed and sanctioned (failure)<br /> <br /> | appeal1=Appealed (ongoing)<br /> | appeal2=N/A <br /> | appeal3=N/A<br /> | finalresult=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> &lt;big&gt;'''Satanic Temple loses court battle over placing monument in Belle Plaine'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''A federal judge supported Belle Plaine's objections.'''<br /> <br /> ''By Erin Adler Star Tribune OCTOBER 8, 2021 — 12:59PM''<br /> <br /> :The Satanic Temple has lost its court battle with the city of Belle Plaine four years after the religious group attempted to put a monument in the local Veterans Memorial Park.<br /> :<br /> :The temple asserted in two separate lawsuits that the southwest metro city had violated its rights to free speech and free expression of religion, among other objections. But a federal judge dismissed most of those allegations in 2020 and decided in September that the city didn't breach a contract when it revoked the temple's permit to install the monument.<br /> :<br /> :Belle Plaine is pleased with the court's decision, said Dawn Meyer, city administrator.<br /> :<br /> :&quot;Don't pick a fight you can't win — and that's what happened here,&quot; City Council Member Paul Chard said. &quot;It's too bad it had to get this far.&quot;<br /> :<br /> :The court's ruling came by summary judgment, not a trial.<br /> :<br /> :Matthew Kezhaya, the Satanic Temple's attorney, said that the Massachusetts-based religious group has filed notices to appeal both the first case and a second, similar case that it filed.<br /> :<br /> :&quot;Our case was never heard,&quot; he said. &quot;If the public silently watches this miscarriage of justice happen to the Satanic Temple, then it disempowers itself to credibly object when it happens to other religious minorities.&quot;<br /> <br /> [https://www.startribune.com/satanic-temple-loses-court-battle-over-placing-monument-in-belle-plaine/600104852/ Full article]<br /> <br /> <br /> The court subsequently ordered TST to pay Belle Plain $16,943 (50% of the $33,886 originally sought by the city) to sanction TST for its behaviour in this case (including late filing of documents and for re-filing claims that had already been dismissed):<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> &quot;TST’s misconduct resulted in a waste of resources, both for Belle Plaine and for the Court. And TST’s misconduct in filing Satanic Temple II occurred after TST had disregarded multiple court-imposed deadlines in Satanic Temple I, demonstrated an extraordinary lack of diligence in attempting to comply with the deadlines in Satanic Temple I, and made an untimely attempt in Satanic Temple I to baselessly reassert claims that the Court had dismissed. TST’s behavior, including its repeated disregard of court orders, suggests that a mere reprimand from the Court would be insufficient to deter similar misconduct in the future. As such, the Court exercised its discretion and determined that an award of attorneys’ fees, limited to those reasonably incurred in responding to the frivolous complaint in Satanic Temple II and seeking sanctions, is necessary to deter repetition of the same or similar misconduct.&quot;[https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59240138/58/satanic-temple-inc-the-v-city-of-belle-plaine-mn/]<br /> <br /> &lt;hr&gt;<br /> ==Appeal Docket==<br /> {| class=&quot;wikitable sortable collapsible&quot;<br /> |+Court of Appeals Docket #: 21-3079 | The Satanic Temple v. City of Belle Plaine, et al | Appeal From: U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota<br /> |-<br /> ! Date !! PDF File !! Docket entry<br /> |-<br /> | 9/21/2021 || Document || APPEARANCE filed by Matthew A. Kezhaya for Appellant The Satanic Temple w/service 09/21/2021 [5078939] [21-3079] (MAK) [Entered: 09/21/2021 12:57 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 9/27/2021 || Document || METHOD of appendix preparation filed by Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 - Separate Appendix - w/service 09/27/2021 [5081203] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 09/27/2021 05:39 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 09/29/2021 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST Statement of Issues 5082064.pdf|Document]]|| STATEMENT of issues filed by Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 - w/service 09/29/2021. [5082064] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 09/29/2021 07:46 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 09/29/2021 || Document || DESIGNATION of record, Certificate of Transcript, and Method of Appendix Preparation filed by Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081. w/service 09/29/2021 [5082065] [21-3079, 21-3081]--[Edited 09/30/2021 by CRJ. ENTRY EDITED TO ADD ADDITIONAL NOTICES.] (MAK) [Entered: 09/29/2021 07:48 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 09/29/2021 || Document || DESIGNATION of record, Certificate of Transcript, and Method of Appendix Preparation filed by Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081. w/service 09/29/2021 [5082066] [21-3079, 21-3081]--[Edited 09/30/2021 by CRJ. ENTRY IS SAME AS 5082065 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FOOTER CHANGE FROM STATEMENT OF ISSUES TO DESIGNATION OF RECORD.] (MAK) [Entered: 09/29/2021 07:51 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 10/14/2021 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST 1stBriefExtension Req 5087411.pdf|Document]]|| MOTION for extension of time to file brief until 12/06/2021, filed by Attorney Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya for Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 w/service 10/14/2021. [5087411] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 10/14/2021 05:29 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 10/15/2021 || Document || CLERK ORDER:Granting [5087411-2] motion for extension of time to file brief filed by Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya. Brief of The Satanic Temple due 12/06/2021. Appendix due on 12/06/2021. [5087443] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 10/15/2021 08:30 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 11/10/2021 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple Corporate Disclosure 5096756.pdf|Document]]|| CORPORATE disclosure statement filed by Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081. - FOR CAL [5096756] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 11/10/2021 05:53 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 11/16/2021 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST 2ndBriefExtension Req 5098135.pdf|Document]]|| MOTION for extension of time to file brief until 01/05/2022, filed by Attorney Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya for Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 w/service 11/16/2021. [5098135] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 11/16/2021 02:19 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 11/16/2021 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST 2ndBriefExtension Granted 5098325.pdf|Document]]|| CLERK ORDER:Granting [5098135-2] motion for extension of time to file brief filed by Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya. Brief of The Satanic Temple due 01/05/2022. Appendix due on 01/05/2022. [5098325] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 11/16/2021 04:58 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 12/17/2021 || N/A || RECORD FILED - MOTION TRANSCRIPT, 1 volumes, Comments: District Court document #119 [Copy do not return to the District Court at end of case], Source Location: USDC / MN, Dt. of Proceeding/Hearing: 12/17/2020, No. of Pgs.: 40, Court Reporter: Simpson, Christine A.<br /> [5109074] [21-3079, 21-3081] (STL) [Entered: 12/17/2021 08:25 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 12/17/2021 || N/A ||RECORD FILED - MOTION TRANSCRIPT, 1 volumes, Comments: District Court document #120 [Copy do not return to the District Court at end of case], Source Location: USDC / MN, Dt. of Proceeding/Hearing: 04/27/2021, No. of Pgs.: 74, Court Reporter: Simpson, Lori Ann<br /> [5109075] [21-3079, 21-3081] (STL) [Entered: 12/17/2021 08:27 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 12/22/2021 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST 3rdBriefExtension Req 00804411066.pdf|Document]]|| MOTION for extension of time to file brief until 02/04/2022, filed by Attorney Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya for Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 w/service 12/22/2021. [5110760] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 12/22/2021 02:16 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 12/22/2021 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST 3rdBriefExtension GrantedPartial 00804411368.pdf|Document]]|| CLERK ORDER:Granting in Part [5110760-2] motion for extension of time to file brief filed by Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya [5110896] Brief of The Satanic Temple due 01/21/2022. Appendix due on 01/21/2022 [5110896] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 12/22/2021 04:53 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 01/21/2022 || Document locked || APPELLANT brief of The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 submitted for review. The time for filing the subsequent brief (if any) does not begin to run until the brief has been approved and filed. To open/view this brief, you must first login to CM/ECF and then open the document link in your Notice of Docket Activity. Only direct recipients on accounts can open this document. [5119652] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 01/21/2022 06:50 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 01/21/2022 || Document locked || Addendum of APPELLANT submitted for review by The Satanic Temple in 21-3079. To open/view this addendum, you must first login to CM/ECF and then open the document link in your Notice of Docket Activity. [5119653] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 01/21/2022 06:51 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 01/24/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST Brief Deficiency Notice 5119753.pdf|Document]]|| Brief deficiency notice sent to counsel, Attorney Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya for Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079. [5119753] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 01/24/2022 09:27 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 01/24/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST's Addendum cover index 5119766.pdf|Document]]|| '''ADDENDUM''' of APPELLANT FILED by Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 , w/service 01/24/2022 [5119766] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 01/24/2022 09:34 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 01/28/2022 || Document locked || APPELLANT brief of The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 submitted for review. The time for filing the subsequent brief (if any) does not begin to run until the brief has been approved and filed. To open/view this brief, you must first login to CM/ECF and then open the document link in your Notice of Docket Activity. Only direct recipients on accounts can open this document. [5121956] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 01/28/2022 04:17 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 01/31/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST's Brief 5122392.pdf|Document]]|| '''BRIEF FILED''' - APPELLANT BRIEF filed by The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081. w/service 01/31/2022 , Length: 12,964 words<br /> '''10 COPIES OF PAPER BRIEFS (WITHOUT THE APPELLATE PDF FOOTER) FROM The Satanic Temple due 02/07/2022 WITH certificate of service for paper briefs.'''<br /> '''Brief of Paul Chard, City of Belle Plaine, Cary Coop, Theresa McDaniel, Christopher Meyer and Ben Stier due on 03/02/2022''' [5122392] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 01/31/2022 02:58 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 02/03/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple BellePlaine Extension 5123755.pdf|Document]]|| MOTION for extension of time to file brief until 04/01/2022, filed by Attorney Mr. Monte Mills for Appellees Mr. Paul Chard, City of Belle Plaine, Mr. Cary Coop, Ms. Theresa McDaniel, Mr. Christopher Meyer and Mr. Ben Stier in 21-3079, Attorney Mr. Monte Mills for Appellee City of Belle Plaine in 21-3081 w/service 02/03/2022. [5123755] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MM) [Entered: 02/03/2022 01:03 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 02/03/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple BellePlaine ExtensionGranted 5123788.pdf|Document]]|| CLERK ORDER:Granting [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple BellePlaine Extension 5123755.pdf|5123755-2]] motion for extension of time to file brief filed by Mr. Monte Mills. Brief of Paul Chard, City of Belle Plaine, Cary Coop, Theresa McDaniel, Christopher Meyer and Ben Stier due 04/01/2022. [5123788] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 02/03/2022 02:25 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 02/07/2022 || N/A || RECORD FILED - APLNT/PET APPENDIX, 2 volumes, Comments: 3 Sets of Appellant's 2 Volume Appendix<br /> [5125008] [21-3079, 21-3081] (AMT) [Entered: 02/08/2022 10:33 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 02/07/2022 || N/A || Paper copies Appellant/Petitioner Brief, [5122392-2] filed by The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 10 paper copies received. w/Addendum attached<br /> [5125014] [21-3079, 21-3081] (AMT) [Entered: 02/08/2022 10:35 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/01/2022 ||Document locked || APPELLEE brief of City of Belle Plaine in 21-3079, 21-3081 submitted for review. The time for filing the subsequent brief (if any) does not begin to run until the brief has been approved and filed. To open/view this brief, you must first login to CM/ECF and then open the document link in your Notice of Docket Activity. Only direct recipients on accounts can open this document. [5143096] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MM) [Entered: 04/01/2022 02:52 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/01/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple BellePlaine BriefReplyDeficient 5143121.pdf|Document]]|| Brief deficiency notice sent to counsel, Attorney Mr. Monte Mills for Appellees City of Belle Plaine, Mr. Cary Coop, Ms. Theresa McDaniel, Mr. Ben Stier, Mr. Paul Chard and Mr. Christopher Meyer in 21-3079, Attorney Mr. Monte Mills for Appellee City of Belle Plaine in 21-3081. [5143121] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 04/01/2022 03:29 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/01/2022 || Document locked || APPELLEE brief of City of Belle Plaine in 21-3079, 21-3081 submitted for review. The time for filing the subsequent brief (if any) does not begin to run until the brief has been approved and filed. To open/view this brief, you must first login to CM/ECF and then open the document link in your Notice of Docket Activity. Only direct recipients on accounts can open this document. [5143146] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MM) [Entered: 04/01/2022 03:57 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/04/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple BellePlaine BriefReply 5143291.pdf|Document]]|| BRIEF FILED - APPELLEE BRIEF filed by City of Belle Plaine in 21-3079, 21-3081,<br /> w/service 04/04/2022 , Length: 12,857 words<br /> 10 COPIES OF PAPER BRIEFS (WITHOUT THE APPELLATE PDF FOOTER) FROM City of Belle Plaine due 04/11/2022 WITH certificate of service for paper briefs. Reply brief of The Satanic Temple due on 04/25/2022. [5143291] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 04/04/2022 09:15 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/06/2022 || N/A || RECORD FILED - APLEE/RES APPENDIX, 1 volume, Comments: 3 copies of 1 Volume Appendix<br /> [5145162] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 04/07/2022 12:29 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/07/2022 || N/A || Paper copies Appellee/Respondent brief, [5143291-2] filed by Mr. Paul Chard, City of Belle Plaine, Mr. Cary Coop, Ms. Theresa McDaniel, Mr. Christopher Meyer and Mr. Ben Stier in 21-3079, City of Belle Plaine in 21-3081 10 paper copies received.<br /> [5145690] [21-3079, 21-3081] (CRJ) [Entered: 04/08/2022 02:36 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/08/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST Brief Extension Request 5145622.pdf|Document]]|| MOTION for extension of time to file brief until 05/25/2022, filed by Attorney Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya for Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 w/service 04/08/2022. [5145622] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 04/08/2022 01:56 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/08/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine v Satanic Temple TST Brief Extension Granted 5145722.pdf|Document]]|| CLERK ORDER:Granting [5145622-2] motion for extension of time to file brief filed by Mr. Matthew A. Kezhaya. Reply briefs of The Satanic Temple in cases 21-3079 and 21-3081 due 05/25/2022 [5145722] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MRM) [Entered: 04/08/2022 02:57 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 04/26/2022 || N/A || Please note that this case has been screened for oral argument. The exact date of your oral argument has not been determined at this time. You will be receiving a calendar approximately 4 weeks before the scheduled argument date. Please review the current and future argument dates immediately to determine if you have any conflicts.<br /> <br /> Click Here to View Published Argument Calendars and Future Court Session Dates and ''Locations [ [https://web.archive.org/web/20220428001416/ca8.uscourts.gov/argument-calendars Note: Archived calendar]][ [[Media:Eighth Circuit Oral Argument Dates and Locations Fall 2022 - Summer 2023.pdf|Future Calendar]]]''<br /> <br /> If you do have conflicts with any of the argument dates, please inform this court by sending a letter using the ECF docketing event 'Correspondence to Court', 'Letter filed' 'regarding availability for oral argument'. Your compliance with this policy will minimize the need for motions to continue or reschedule oral argument. The court also encourages you to notify the clerk if conflicts with these dates develop in the future. The clerk's office takes conflict dates into consideration in scheduling oral arguments but cannot guarantee that every request will be honored. [5151069] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MR) [Entered: 04/26/2022 04:04 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 05/02/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine Schedule Conflicts 1 5152713.pdf|Document]]|| LETTER from Appellee City of Belle Plaine in 21-3079, 21-3081 regarding availability for oral argument. w/service 05/02/2022 [5152713] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MM) [Entered: 05/02/2022 10:11 AM]<br /> |-<br /> | 05/13/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 TST Inc Schedule Conflicts 1 5157449.pdf|Document]]|| LETTER from Appellant The Satanic Temple in 21-3079, 21-3081 regarding availability for oral argument. w/service 05/13/2022 [5157449] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MAK) [Entered: 05/13/2022 06:02 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | 05/18/2022 || [[Media:21-3079 Belle Plaine Schedule Conflicts 2 5158992.pdf|Document]]|| LETTER from Appellee City of Belle Plaine in 21-3079, 21-3081 regarding availability for oral argument. w/service 05/18/2022 [5158992] [21-3079, 21-3081] (MM) [Entered: 05/18/2022 04:19 PM]<br /> |-<br /> | N/A || N/A || N/A<br /> |}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lawsuits]]</div>

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