https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Podcasts%2FSacred_Tension-Sacred_Tension_Lucien_Newsweekbhy34Podcasts/Sacred Tension-Sacred Tension Lucien Newsweekbhy34 - Revision history2026-04-09T03:53:54ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.0https://the.satanic.wiki/index.php?title=Podcasts/Sacred_Tension-Sacred_Tension_Lucien_Newsweekbhy34&diff=17137&oldid=prevOsmiris at 22:57, 29 May 20242024-05-29T22:57:40Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>But salami claims that she was thrown out of TST, after asking me why I was using TST money to pursue a personal lawsuit against Twitter for having suspended my account. And this was just placed in the article and her statement taken at face value. Whereas the fact of the matter is, that conversation never took place. And if somebody had come to me and said, Why is TST use- Why are using TST money for this personal suit, I would have merely explained, well, we have pro-bono representation for one thing. So TST resources aren't being expended. But for another, it wasn't a lawsuit about my personal account getting suspended, although that fact was rolled into the complaint as evidence of disparate treatment. The whole story was- is that somebody tweeted that somebody needed to burn down our headquarters, and Cory Feldman's washed out child actor retweeted it. And he's got a bit of a following. So it started to get to get horrifying to see that there was traction growing for this idea. And it's very clearly a tweet that runs afoul of Twitter's Terms of Service. So I reported the tweet, Twitter came back said, this does not violate our Terms of Service. I retweeted the tweet and asked my audience to also report the tweet because Twitter wasn't looking at my reports, for some reason, then Twitter suspended not only my account, but the main TST account, temporary basis for the main TST account by association with me, permanent suspension on my account. And they said what I had done was targeted harassment against the person who would call for our headquarters to get burned down. And now this, to us seemed like a worthwhile battle to fight. Like, we didn't feel for a moment that another religious group would be treated that way. And we didn't want to normalize this idea that people can call for us to be killed publicly, and build this idea that there is a general approval of that, you know, fighting back against that I felt serve the broader interests of our community, without question. So there was nothing about that, quote, that was true. And when the journalist reached out to me initially, she asked me questions, but she didn't ask me questions about anything that she ended up including in her article, she started out really hung up on the various corporate entities that TST has built up over the time that we've had this organization. And, you know, she clearly saw something nefarious in the fact that we have [[United Federation of Churches, LLC]], [[Reason Alliance]] TST- TST Inc, you know, [[The Satanic Temple Inc]]. And then things like TST TV, you know, the- the the other enterprise that runs [[The Satanic Estate<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|Winstonian Enterprises Ltd</del>]] and things like that. And I explained to her well, we started out as an LLC, because we weren't Tech, we weren't religiously tax exempt, and we hadn't asked for it. We went with United Federation of Churches, because, you know, we might have been looking to work in our denomination only and, you know, not be written off applying for something or whatever, just, you know, straightforward with the name, the Satanic Temple 10 years ago, you know, we're the ones who really broke the ice, you know, so nine Federation churches seemed safe. And then we realized we didn't have the same kind of access to religious accommodations as other religious groups. So we had to fight he just broke up really fast.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>But salami claims that she was thrown out of TST, after asking me why I was using TST money to pursue a personal lawsuit against Twitter for having suspended my account. And this was just placed in the article and her statement taken at face value. Whereas the fact of the matter is, that conversation never took place. And if somebody had come to me and said, Why is TST use- Why are using TST money for this personal suit, I would have merely explained, well, we have pro-bono representation for one thing. So TST resources aren't being expended. But for another, it wasn't a lawsuit about my personal account getting suspended, although that fact was rolled into the complaint as evidence of disparate treatment. The whole story was- is that somebody tweeted that somebody needed to burn down our headquarters, and Cory Feldman's washed out child actor retweeted it. And he's got a bit of a following. So it started to get to get horrifying to see that there was traction growing for this idea. And it's very clearly a tweet that runs afoul of Twitter's Terms of Service. So I reported the tweet, Twitter came back said, this does not violate our Terms of Service. I retweeted the tweet and asked my audience to also report the tweet because Twitter wasn't looking at my reports, for some reason, then Twitter suspended not only my account, but the main TST account, temporary basis for the main TST account by association with me, permanent suspension on my account. And they said what I had done was targeted harassment against the person who would call for our headquarters to get burned down. And now this, to us seemed like a worthwhile battle to fight. Like, we didn't feel for a moment that another religious group would be treated that way. And we didn't want to normalize this idea that people can call for us to be killed publicly, and build this idea that there is a general approval of that, you know, fighting back against that I felt serve the broader interests of our community, without question. So there was nothing about that, quote, that was true. And when the journalist reached out to me initially, she asked me questions, but she didn't ask me questions about anything that she ended up including in her article, she started out really hung up on the various corporate entities that TST has built up over the time that we've had this organization. And, you know, she clearly saw something nefarious in the fact that we have [[United Federation of Churches, LLC]], [[Reason Alliance]] TST- TST Inc, you know, [[The Satanic Temple Inc]]. And then things like TST TV, you know, the- the the other enterprise that runs [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Winstonian Enterprises Ltd|</ins>The Satanic Estate]] and things like that. And I explained to her well, we started out as an LLC, because we weren't Tech, we weren't religiously tax exempt, and we hadn't asked for it. We went with United Federation of Churches, because, you know, we might have been looking to work in our denomination only and, you know, not be written off applying for something or whatever, just, you know, straightforward with the name, the Satanic Temple 10 years ago, you know, we're the ones who really broke the ice, you know, so nine Federation churches seemed safe. And then we realized we didn't have the same kind of access to religious accommodations as other religious groups. So we had to fight he just broke up really fast.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Somebody wanted to know. Yeah, that's good enough. Fair. Okay. But, you know, even though I don't hold the same opinions that I held 20 years ago, I still can't let people say that my opinions were what they were not even 20 years ago. Yeah. So the comments I made were coming from a place of militant atheism. And I made these comments about how I felt it was okay, to make fun of Jews in certain circumstances. And, you know, this was a very inarticulate and idiotic way. And it's humiliating to me that people hear this now, I sound like a complete moron. And I'm saying that, you know, if, if you're talking about people dressed in traditional religious garb, and doing like, these archaic rituals, and that they actually believe that, you know, there's this one true God, and they're God's people, or whatever, that's worthy of mockery. But I said, even then, that I didn't believe that it was okay, by any means to throw people under the bus because of their ancestral lineage. I thought, and that was my way of saying, you know, ideologies are open for mockery, you know, somebody's genetic history, their ancestry, you know, things outside of ideological adherence, things like that, that's off limits. So you don't you don't hold that against somebody, but I still sounded like an idiot, it still sounded really insulting and, and I have no desire to insult religious Jews. Now, you know, I was much harsher on religion before, really, really having the religion of the Satanic Temple and realizing, you know, that I do think there's a space for people to have their beliefs as long as they don't impose them on anybody else. And that we can, you know, we can all just kind of share this space, and we don't have to, we don't have to be bothered by one another in this way. And that's what I was saying 20 years ago. And that said, you know, again, I disagree with a lot that I did believe 20 years ago, but that was what I would say I wouldn't I wouldn't talk that way now. You know, and I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings over that kind of thing. And I certainly wouldn't want to insult anybody, you know, from a Jewish background and, you know, I'm gonna pull the whole Jewish friend thing. But people have no idea how many of my closest personal contacts, including the other co-founder of the Satanic Temple come from Jewish backgrounds. Yeah, [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Malcolm|</del>Cevin Soling]] is Jewish. Yeah, yeah. And, and the fact of the matter is, is, it's not usually my Jewish friends who are taking issue with this, it's usually some white kid somewhere, you know, getting pissed off, because they want to get pissed off is what I is what I think I'm seeing here, they saw an opportunity they saw, they saw a misstep in my language at a point and they don't have much else and they never want to let it go. And, you know, what would be better that I disappear from the public eye that I not do? The things I'm doing now. I mean, I have 10 years now, where I think my writings have elaborated my viewpoints and everything else. I mean, it would be different. I think if a podcast from 20 years ago, surfaced, and there was nothing else to say, for where I had come from, or what I'm doing, or where I stand today, or whatever. But after all this time and all this material, I think you're really fucking reaching. You know,</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Somebody wanted to know. Yeah, that's good enough. Fair. Okay. But, you know, even though I don't hold the same opinions that I held 20 years ago, I still can't let people say that my opinions were what they were not even 20 years ago. Yeah. So the comments I made were coming from a place of militant atheism. And I made these comments about how I felt it was okay, to make fun of Jews in certain circumstances. And, you know, this was a very inarticulate and idiotic way. And it's humiliating to me that people hear this now, I sound like a complete moron. And I'm saying that, you know, if, if you're talking about people dressed in traditional religious garb, and doing like, these archaic rituals, and that they actually believe that, you know, there's this one true God, and they're God's people, or whatever, that's worthy of mockery. But I said, even then, that I didn't believe that it was okay, by any means to throw people under the bus because of their ancestral lineage. I thought, and that was my way of saying, you know, ideologies are open for mockery, you know, somebody's genetic history, their ancestry, you know, things outside of ideological adherence, things like that, that's off limits. So you don't you don't hold that against somebody, but I still sounded like an idiot, it still sounded really insulting and, and I have no desire to insult religious Jews. Now, you know, I was much harsher on religion before, really, really having the religion of the Satanic Temple and realizing, you know, that I do think there's a space for people to have their beliefs as long as they don't impose them on anybody else. And that we can, you know, we can all just kind of share this space, and we don't have to, we don't have to be bothered by one another in this way. And that's what I was saying 20 years ago. And that said, you know, again, I disagree with a lot that I did believe 20 years ago, but that was what I would say I wouldn't I wouldn't talk that way now. You know, and I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings over that kind of thing. And I certainly wouldn't want to insult anybody, you know, from a Jewish background and, you know, I'm gonna pull the whole Jewish friend thing. But people have no idea how many of my closest personal contacts, including the other co-founder of the Satanic Temple come from Jewish backgrounds. Yeah, [[Cevin Soling<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|Malcolm</ins>]] is Jewish. Yeah, yeah. And, and the fact of the matter is, is, it's not usually my Jewish friends who are taking issue with this, it's usually some white kid somewhere, you know, getting pissed off, because they want to get pissed off is what I is what I think I'm seeing here, they saw an opportunity they saw, they saw a misstep in my language at a point and they don't have much else and they never want to let it go. And, you know, what would be better that I disappear from the public eye that I not do? The things I'm doing now. I mean, I have 10 years now, where I think my writings have elaborated my viewpoints and everything else. I mean, it would be different. I think if a podcast from 20 years ago, surfaced, and there was nothing else to say, for where I had come from, or what I'm doing, or where I stand today, or whatever. But after all this time and all this material, I think you're really fucking reaching. You know,</div></td></tr>
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