Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special

Working transcript of the Might is Right 24-hour stream.

On Sept. 11, 2003, Doug Misicko, Shane Bugbee, and Shane's wife Amy Bugbee, also known as Amy Stocky, hosted a 24-hour Internet radio stream with guests and callers to mark the release of their new edition of Might Is Right by Arthur Desmond, then using the penname "Ragnar Redbeard".

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Promotion

Mephisto Media Update - September 9, 2003

Historic 24 Hour long "Might is Right" Broadcast!

Mephisto Media is sponsoring a historic 24 Hour broadcast on our internet radio affiliate RadioFreeSatan.com to celebrate the historic re-release of "Might is Right". This text, described as "literary dynamite" was written in 1898 by "Ragnar Redbeard" and served as one of the major influences for the Satanic Bible, and this edition includes an introduction by none other than Anton LaVey himself! Can you think of a more EVIL book for Mephisto Media to support? WE CAN'T! Starting exactly at Midnight EST on Radio Free Satan, a 24 hour broadcast will commense, hosted by Publisher Shane Bugbee, Illustrator Doug Mesner, and General Amy of the Television Ministry (tvisgod.com).

Live guests and celebrities! Contests and call-ins! FUN FOR THE ENTIRE EVIL FAMILY! Much of the material to be broadcast in this historic coverage has NEVER BEEN HEARD BEFORE and likely will NEVER BE HEARD AGAIN! Stay tuned to MephistoMedia.com, RadioFreeSatan.com, and evilnow.com for info!

Rumor has it that this edition of Might is Right will find its way into Mephisto Media's catalog before long, but we cannot confirm nor deny that at this time.

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Self-Description

Might Is Right 24 hr radio special.

SHOW 1: THREE RING RADIO PREMIERE 1ST SHOW EVER!!!!LIVE FOR 24 HOURS ON SEPT 11TH - To celebrate the premiere of my very own radio show & kick off my new reprinting of MIGHT IS RIGHT Me, My wife & Pal Doug put on a historic, 24 hour LIVE radio broadcast on September 11, 2003.*

The show will featured live guests, interviews, and music relating to the book, and the concept of Survival of the Fittest. Guests from many walks of life discussed Might Is Right, terrorism, and revolution! Show started on 9-11-03, from Midnight to Midnight 9-12-03 on radiofreesatan.com a true broadcast to end all broadcasts!

Here's some of the 24 hour 9/11 shows contents:

Never before released audio, music and madness! Anus Presley - the noise of the late, great Sverre Kristensen. Waco - Day 51. Unreleased and favorites from Charles Manson -- interviews, music, and monologues. A brief history of Might Is Right.

Hart Fisher, Vincent Crowley, Kenn Thomas of steam shovel press, Usurper, Eugene Robinson - The man that inspired the likes of Boyd Rice and Adam Parfrey! He's the Promethean Satanist according to LaVey!!! Rare recordings of Lydia Lunch, Jello Biafra and others.

White power, racialism, and reform with Tom Metzger and the artist formerly known as George Eric Hawthorne, of the band RAHOWA. Peter Gilmore from the COS talks 9-11, and we wind down with a never before heard interview with Boyd Rice and Thomas Thorn, conducted by Vadge Moore from the Dwarves.

Hour 1

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:00] Doug, well, Mike, things are OK, we're on. Amy? [00:00:05][4.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:00:05] We are on. [00:00:06][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:07] Yeah -. [00:00:07][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:00:07] Unprepared and on [00:00:08][0.8]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:10] We're unprepared and on. Doug? Doug's freezing up. [00:00:15][4.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:00:15] I'm not freezing up. [00:00:16][1.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:00:17] Here comes the train! [00:00:17][0.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:19] Yeah. You hear the train? [00:00:20][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:00:23] Can they hear the train? [00:00:23][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:26] I don't know. Well, you're tuning in to Radio Free Satan.com, special Might Is Right broadcast on 9/11. We sympathize with all the victims. We're here praying for them [00:00:38][12.1]

Doug Misicko: [00:00:40] On our knees. [00:00:40][0.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:00:42] Oh, yeah. [00:00:42][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:43] We're not laughing at the victims, ok? [00:00:45][1.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:00:45] We're laughing with them. Or for them. [00:00:47][1.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:52] This first thing we're going to do for you is we're going to play a little something where we hope you all go away. We just want to talk to ourselves, really. We really don't like people. But this next CD is going to play one song - it really is one song. It's Anus Presley. If you've never heard of Anus Presley, it's done by one of my good friends, old friend of mine. His name was Sverre Kristensen. He did a comic book for me, by the way. IDoEvilNow.com published some comic books, and books like Might Is Right. And it's like the most obscene comic book ever. You really got to look for it - Bad Pills. Someone else should do some talking, you fucking goofs. You see, Doug and Amy have not had their flops. [00:01:46][54.0]

Doug Misicko: [00:01:47] We're listening. [00:01:47][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:01:47] Listening to what, me? Yeah, but, you know, they're looking at my ass when I turn around. That's what they're impressed by. [00:01:52][4.8]

Unidentified: [00:01:59] All right, Rich, this one goes out to you. [00:02:01][2.1]

Voiceover: [00:02:04] ...Being what in this country would be called a nice guy. [00:02:07][2.7]

Shane Bugbee: [00:02:22] We're going to start that over because it didn't sound good. So pretend you didn't hear anything that you just heard and pretend, OK? Rich, this one's going out for you. [00:02:33][11.9]

Voiceover: [00:02:39] I think the greatest mistake that Adolf Hitler made was being what in this country would be called a nice guy....*unintelligible variety of audio recordings and noise* [00:02:44][5.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:42:50] Well, I guess we're back on the air. I'm eating a tomato right now, and I thought this. Doug? Now you're on, [00:43:05][14.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:43:06] I think the listening audience was expecting more. [00:43:08][2.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:43:10] I think they're disappointed. [00:43:10][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:43:12] I know - I know the gentleman running Radio Free Satan wanted to hear that again. [00:43:17][4.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:43:18] I think you might want to play it again [00:43:19][1.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:43:21] Yeah right now. Nah, we're joking. When we started, it was a bad introduction. I didn't introduct -introduct, introduct - I didn't introduce my friends here. [00:43:35][14.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:43:35] Or yourself. [00:43:35][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:43:40] Amy's my wife. She helped out a lot with Might Is Right. She was one of the main reasons we hooked up with Anton LeVey. She goes by the handle, the whore of horror -. [00:43:56][15.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:43:56] Among others. [00:43:56][0.0]

[00:43:56] Jokes, among others, I don't want any jokes about my wife's a whore, OK. But she does a website called TVisGod.com. It's a fun Web site. And she's working on a website called The Whore of Horror. She writes some horror. [00:44:16][19.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:44:18] I guess that's it for me. [00:44:21][3.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:44:23] TV's God's good. David Spade tried to rape her once, sued - oh no, he didn't. [00:44:28][5.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:44:29] He just threatened to sue me [00:44:30][1.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:44:34] And the other gentleman. Well, the only gentleman here is Doug. Good friend, Doug - what's your last name Doug? We just met him. [00:44:43][8.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:44:43] Mesner. [00:44:43][0.0]

[00:44:44] Yeah, Mesner. I get it confused. But Doug did the illustrations for Might Is Right. [00:44:50][6.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:44:51] They look great. [00:44:52][0.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:44:52] F you can see them at EvilNow.com, a few of them. [00:44:56][4.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:44:56] Yeah. EvilNow.com has them up. And we ran into Doug in the strangest ways. It's crazy how we ran into Doug, but Doug had a friend that bought the rape book from me, drove all the way to Tennessee to pick it up because it didn't get to him in the mail quick enough, imagine that. I shipped stuff out really quick. If anyone out there's bought something from me, they know how quick I ship that, ok? [00:45:22][25.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:45:23] How fast it arrives. [00:45:24][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:24] Yeah, it arrives really fast. And that's how we met Doug. [00:45:29][4.2]

Doug Misicko: [00:45:31] He gave you a notebook of mine, didn't he? [00:45:32][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:33] He gave what, opium? [00:45:33][0.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:45:34] A notebook. [00:45:35][0.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:45:35] He just told us about you, I think. And then you came up with him and brought a note, a sketchbook. [00:45:39][4.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:45:41] All right. [00:45:42][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:42] Doug handed me - hey, listen to this. He handed me all of his original artwork and his notebooks. I can't find any of it, by the way. [00:45:48][5.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:45:48] All right. [00:45:48][0.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:48] I think it's being sold on eBay from someone else. [00:45:51][2.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:45:51] Oh, come on. [00:45:52][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:56] No, but Doug did some really nice artwork for it. It just came together really cool. There's so many stories that we have about Might Is Right and how it came about, and how special to us - that's not just what this radio show is about or what we're doing with the 24 hours. It's about a lot of things. We chose to do it. I chose to do it on 9/11. It's because it's a hype date, something people freak out about. It means absolutely nothing to me. I could care less how many buildings fall on fire and how many people die around me, as long as it's not me and my beautiful wife, [00:46:29][33.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:46:30] As long as it's a lot. [00:46:30][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:46:31] As long as Doug is OK for now. I don't care. So 9/11 means nothing to us, really, or me. It's just a hype date. [00:46:41][9.2]

Amy Bugbee: [00:46:41] And Shane. You should talk a little about you, Shane Bugbee. [00:46:44][3.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:46:46] Well, I'm playing with my nipples right now. I'm looking at my wife. Doug's watching me play with my nipples and it's fucked up. [00:46:52][6.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:46:53] It's only costing me five dollars. [00:46:54][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:46:55] So the gentleman at Radio Free Satan tells us we have five listeners, five whole listeners. And I do mean holes like wet, slimy holes. We tried to chase you away, but you stayed, you five. If there is any listeners and you instant message TVisGod9, I'm going, [00:47:13][17.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:47:14] At AOL.com, I think it is. [00:47:14][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:47:14] Motherfucker. I know what it is. It's the message. [00:47:16][1.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:47:18] Whatever. [00:47:18][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:47:19] Well, you guys can't talk over me. The mikes are going, you know, don't hear me, OK? No, listen. TVisGod - the instant message handle is TVIsGod9, nothing else. It is an AOL instant message. You can you can do that if you go in the chat group. Is that a chat group, Amy. What is it? [00:47:40][20.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:47:40] Yes, it's the Radio Free Satan chat room. [00:47:42][2.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:47:43] If you go there, any listeners right now for the next ten minutes that email us an address, will get a free Might Is Right T-shirt. I just want to see if Rich's - what happened? [00:47:55][11.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:47:57] My computer just froze. Hold that thought. [00:48:00][2.8]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:01] No, just email us then, whatever. I know what time it is. I know what time it is, nigga. No, I don't want to have this motherfucker. Hand me my repo. No, really, if you just email us or go to the, go to the chat group right now and email us an address, email the radio free Satan folks right now it's twelve fifty something somewhere. And email us right now, five - anyone who's listening will send you a free Might Is Right T-shirt. [00:48:32][31.1]

Doug Misicko: [00:48:32] Sean, Monty, you motherfuckers, you better be among the five. [00:48:35][3.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:36] Sean and Monty were not, fucking - [00:48:38][1.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:48:38] Sean and Monty. [00:48:39][0.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:40] Sean. I say we just change those bitches' names to Sean Monty and Monty Sean. Motherfuckers if you guys ain't out there - [00:48:48][8.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:48:49] like the queers John Fitzsimmons and Simmons Fitzjohn. [00:48:51][2.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:52] We're coming to get you, Sean Monty. [00:48:53][1.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:48:54] They might want to email someone else because my computer's totally down now. [00:48:57][3.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:58] Speak into the mic, woman, I can't hear you, say it. [00:49:01][2.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:49:02] They might want to email someone else, might want to give a different email address, because my computer's totally done, it's toast. [00:49:08][6.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:09] Really? [00:49:09][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:49:10] It's yeah, well, I had unplug it [00:49:12][2.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:13] So it'll start up again in a couple hours? [00:49:14][1.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:49:15] In a couple hours. [00:49:15][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:17] Well, you know what? My email address is, Shane13. Only have your bitches and wives and mothers email me. No guys. [00:49:26][8.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:49:27] Shane13@Ameritech.net. [00:49:28][1.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:29] That's right. Shane 13@Ameritech.net. You email me next five minutes and I will - I'll hook you up. Hook ya up, nigga. Oh. Come on Doug, say something. man. Doug has one eye, how'd that happen, Doug? [00:49:48][18.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:49:49] I lost one somewhere along the way. [00:49:51][1.9]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:55] I tell you for a one-eyed guy this guy fucking gets the pussy, ok? He picks up the chicks, let me tell ya, OK? [00:50:00][5.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:01] They're not true. [00:50:01][0.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:50:03] So do you have a glass eye? [00:50:03][0.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:05] No, it's - would it look this fucked-up if it was a glass eye? [00:50:08][3.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:50:08] Well, we don't know who you're going to. [00:50:09][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:13] I wouldn't make them make it opaque or cloudy or any shit like that? No, it's the real deal. [00:50:16][3.5]

Amy Bugbee: [00:50:17] You could get a glass one with like the American flag on it or something. [00:50:20][2.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:21] No. Yeah, I guess I could, but I won't. I wanted to keep the original parts. They offered to take it out but, didn't happen. It's got a silicone ring around it though. [00:50:31][10.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:50:34] You know, that's really why we played that - oh, the silicone ring. The silicone ring? [00:50:37][3.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:50:40] Silicone ring hole! [00:50:40][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:50:42] I need one of those silicone rings when Amy goes to her mother's house. [00:50:45][3.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:50:46] Oh, really? [00:50:47][1.1]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:49] For what? [00:50:49][0.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:50:51] Masturbation. Fucking. Oh, it's better than when I - you know, I take like a tomato and start fucking it or something and, you know - I heat the tomato up in the microwave and - [00:50:59][7.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:01] In Chicago in like the 1880s, there was a whorehouse called the Everleigh Club and they were supposed to have a whore for every need. And there was a woman there with one eye. She had a glass eye and she could take out her glass eye and guys could fuck the the hole. [00:51:16][15.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:51:18] Really. [00:51:18][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:19] Imagine that in the 1880s. Yeah. [00:51:22][2.8]

Shane Bugbee: [00:51:26] You like that? [00:51:26][0.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:51:28] I don't know, little warm substance on the brain. I don't know what that would do for you. [00:51:31][2.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:33] She was quite popular. [00:51:34][1.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:51:36] Well, Saka tells us a lot of women use that warm substance for, what was it? [00:51:43][6.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:43] Facials. [00:51:43][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:51:44] Yeah, facials, not literally facial, but like they rub it into their wrinkles. [00:51:47][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:51:47] Because they call it a facial. [00:51:48][0.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:51] They say it keeps their - it keeps their skin good. [00:51:51][0.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:51:54] Then how come my cock is wrinkly? [00:51:55][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:51:56] Oh, Doug has just blown a hole in that theory. [00:51:59][3.0]

Doug Misicko: [00:52:03] Answer me that. [00:52:04][0.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:52:05] Well there's a total difference in the face and the dick. [00:52:07][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:52:11] I don't know. I know some dick-faced motherfuckers. [00:52:12][0.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:52:16] You know, if anyone knows, you know. [00:52:17][1.5]

Amy Bugbee: [00:52:17] if it's wrinkly, does that mean you're not circumcised? [00:52:20][2.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:52:21] Your friends aren't listening Doug, no one's listening. No one has emailed me for a free Might is Right T-shirt. And you see, that's why I play that noise music and I play stuff. I just - I want to give away the stuff, I told Rich, I'd give away stuff. But I'm a cheap bastard, so fuck you all. [00:52:33][12.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:52:35] I'll take a year to get to you anyway. [00:52:37][2.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:52:38] Oh, nice Amy. Real nice. Real fucking nice. You're better? You can do better? [00:52:47][8.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:52:47] What's your oldest order you were bragging about the other day? [00:52:50][2.9]

Shane Bugbee: [00:52:52] Two years. Two years. They've been waiting, but they wait proudly. They wait. They wait. And wait. [00:52:59][7.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:00] Now, they got it, did they? [00:53:01][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:02] No. [00:53:02][0.0]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:03] OK, two years and counting. [00:53:05][2.1]

[00:53:06] No, that's the oldest Might Is Right order I have on backorder and the guy - you know, I wish I could remember his name, he's a really cool guy. [00:53:12][6.2]

Amy Bugbee: [00:53:12] Is it. George in Chicago Ridge. [00:53:16][3.1]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:16] Oh no, no. This guy's from Canada - Jerod or something - he's a Church of Satan member and he's a really cool guy. And I'm telling you, [00:53:23][6.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:23] Jared Staff? [00:53:24][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:25] That's him! [00:53:25][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:25] Is it? [00:53:26][0.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:26] Because that's the guy that Ken Hamblin Show was telling me he was was looking, was calling the producer asking about my interview and shit. [00:53:33][6.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:34] Yeah, that's him! [00:53:34][0.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:34] All right. [00:53:35][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:35] Well, Jared's dad. [00:53:36][0.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:36] Yeah, he's hardcore. Jared's dad. He's one of our listeners. This one goes out to you, buddy. [00:53:41][5.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:42] Jared, we're going to smear our own semen and blood and piss in that book just for you, Jared. For two years of waiting, [00:53:47][5.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:49] I think he called the Ken Hamblin Show more than once, because the producer made a point of mentioning it to me. [00:53:54][5.7]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:55] Let's explain to the simpletons who can handle this, OK? [00:53:58][3.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:58] Ken Hamblin [00:53:58][0.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:59] He's the Black Avenger [00:54:00][0.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:00] and syndicated radio show host [00:54:02][1.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:03] Doug and the Black Avenger are like, two peas in a pod [00:54:06][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:06] Like brothers. [00:54:06][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:08] Doug did an interview on his his syndicated nigger talk show. Nah, I'm joking. You say Black Avenger. I said Nigger Avenger. No joke. No one's listening. [00:54:18][10.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:18] No, Shane gave me the number to the producer, the Ken Hamblin Show, told me to give him a call. I asked, What kind of show is this? He said, Why don't you ask him those kinds of questions? So I called him up, and this guy said, Can I have you on at 5:30? And I said, OK, so then I go and check out the Ken Hamblin website and I see he's the Black Avenger, some neoconservative in support of, I don't know. [00:54:41][23.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:42] Oh, God. Guess what? Guess who just emailed me. [00:54:44][2.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:45] Jared Staff. [00:54:45][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:46] How'd you guess? [00:54:46][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:48] Jared Staff, you monster. You get no t-shirt though, that's because you waited two years. We're going to send you a ripped one, just to disappoint you more. [00:54:55][6.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:56] In five years. [00:54:57][0.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:54:59] That was the great thing about Shane. When we were first married, we would have these mail order people that would send in orders and they'd be waiting months and months to get their stuff. And there'd be people who weren't used to it who would call, and write, and harangue -. [00:55:13][14.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:55:14] We're losing our bearings, our focus. We're going to lose Jared Staff. [00:55:17][3.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:55:18] I just got an email from Rich and he said, we lost our one nigger listener because I said, nigger. Well, fuck you, you fucking Jew cocksucker, motherfucking fag. Now, we lost a Jew and a fag too! We only got one listener. Jared, I hope you weren't Jew, nigger, or fag. [00:55:32][13.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:55:34] No, no. But the talk show. Yeah, he was a black neoconservative. Thought he would attack me- [00:55:41][7.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:55:42] Who, the Black Avenger? [00:55:43][0.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:55:43] Yeah, but he was cool. He liked me. Yeah. They want to have me back on. [00:55:49][5.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:55:49] He agreed with you that ugly people are just born to be ugly and just, suffer the consequences. [00:55:52][2.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:55:52] They fail. [00:55:53][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:55:54] They fail? [00:55:54][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:55:57] Well ugly people never get ahead, isn't that what you said? [00:56:00][3.2]

Doug Misicko: [00:56:00] Yeah. They said nobody, nobody gives up their seat on the bus for an ugly person. The ugly person stands. He was the one. He was the one when he was trying to bait me to say something like that. He was the one who said that ugly people who are tested, genetically tested and are shown that they're going to have an ugly child should not be allowed to reproduce. And I thought that was pretty cool of him. But I didn't have to say it, was the best part. And to think I got called back. And plus, to top it off, I didn't even get an angry response. The producer said, I got - I generated a lot of interest, according to him. [00:56:44][43.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:56:45] Positive response. [00:56:45][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:56:46] Yeah, he he had at least five listeners, I think Ken Hamblin. [00:56:51][5.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:56:53] You didn't chase any away? [00:56:54][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:56:54] No, til he played Anus Presley, then it was done. [00:56:57][3.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:56:58] Yeah, that's his favorite band. [00:56:59][0.9]

Shane Bugbee: [00:57:00] That CD we played, I played earlier. I didn't explain. I didn't think I explained myself well enough. But this guy was a really talented artist and he's dead now. And he died of leukemia. And, you know, he was the biggest believer in Might Is Right, and stuff. Really loved the book. And he really you know, I really played the CD just to irritate and drive people away and see who the strongest were. Only the strong survive that CD, because I hate noise music really bad. And I figured if I hate it, I just pass along that to you. But Sverre was a real good guy, you should look his work up some time. His work is really, really some of the best stuff you're ever going to see. Really blew me away when I first saw it. I remember calling them to publish his comic book and it was just. I caught him about six months before he died, so I was lucky I don't have to pay him. [00:57:54][53.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:57:55] Why don't you read us Jared's e-mail? [00:57:57][1.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:57:58] Why don't you read Gerard's email? [00:57:59][0.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:00] Because I can't see it from here. [00:58:01][0.9]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:01] he's just asking for a handout. Looking for a handout. [00:58:05][3.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:07] It's always the same. [00:58:07][0.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:08] Looking for a free T-shirt, that's it. That's it, that's it. Oh, Rich says things are picking up, keep it up, guys. [00:58:17][9.2]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:18] Picking up. What does that mean? [00:58:19][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:20] I don't know, picking up. [00:58:22][2.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:58:23] He's getting an erection. [00:58:23][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:24] I think he said - yeah. That's why he's like keep it up, guys. Rich, put your pants on, Rich. [00:58:29][4.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:31] So whose approval are we getting now? [00:58:32][1.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:34] Spicks. [00:58:34][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:58:34] Yeah. How's our approval rating? [00:58:36][1.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:37] Yeah, well, well Rich? You know, you can always call us. [00:58:43][6.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:58:45] He can be our first guest. [00:58:46][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:47] Hello? Is this thing on? Hello? I think we're off the air. I don't hear anything. Hello? [00:58:54][6.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:55] You don't have the headsets on. [00:58:56][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:57] Oh, that's it. Oh, yeah, we still got twenty three hours to go. [00:59:00][3.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:59:01] What have we gotten ourselves into? [00:59:03][1.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:59:04] Have Jared call in, I want to talk to Jared. He's piqued my curiosity. Now the motherfucker keeps up on this shit. [00:59:10][6.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:59:10] You can dial us up! [00:59:11][1.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:59:12] Hey, put your pants back on, Jared. Don't call, he's got his pants off. Jared - oh, Jared's website. Let me get you that website. It's really cool, his emails take a fucking - you just time to open up because it's so - OK, he's got two websites. One is Jared staff and he spells it like goth guys. So maybe J-E-R-O-D-S-T-A-A-F, dot com and then the other one is S-T-A-A-F, only, dot com. Jared, you should post something up on that Radio Free Satan community board, or whatever it is, and give yourself a plug [00:59:52][39.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:59:53] Give them a number. We got to ask him about him. [00:59:54][1.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:59:55] Give him a number. Jared, you know, I'll email your number and you can call me, Jared. [00:59:58][3.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:59:59] There you go. [00:59:59][0.3]

Hour 2

Amy Bugbee: [01:00:00] Are you afraid the phone lines will be swamped if we say the number over the air? [01:00:03][3.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:04] Yeah, no, I'm just afraid Rich might call us. Oh! I don't think Rich has us on the air anymore. Well, the real reason we play that noise CD is we wanted to promote stuff. [01:00:21][16.9]

Doug Misicko: [01:00:22] And there's a lot of stuff on that CD, yeah,. [01:00:26][3.7]

Amy Bugbee: [01:00:27] It's very promotional stuff. [01:00:27][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:28] We wanted to drive Rich away, so he wasn't listening so we could really. [01:00:31][2.5]

Amy Bugbee: [01:00:32] So we don't have to run the disclaimer. [01:00:33][1.2]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:34] Yeah, we didn't want to run that disclaimer, but we're going to run it. All right, Jerod Staff, call if you dare. [01:00:42][8.1]

Amy Bugbee: [01:00:45] We'll try to figure out the phones. [01:00:45][0.9]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:47] Yeah, we'll try. And for the rest of you -. [01:00:50][2.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:00:50] It looks fairly basic. [01:00:52][2.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:54] And for the rest of you, go to hell. [01:00:56][1.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:00:58] Yeah. [01:00:58][0.0]

Voiceover: [01:01:01] Some of the opinions and topics expressed on this program may be objectionable to some people. The opinions expressed in this program are solely the opinions of the individuals who express them. They are not necessarily the opinions of any member of Radio Free Satan or Mephisto Media. Some of them are the opinions of people we don't even know, and some of them are the opinions of people that we just made up. If you're offended by something on this program, please just don't listen. If you're tempted by what you hear on this program to do something potentially dangerous or illegal, you are an idiot. And we refuse to be held responsible for your stupidity. In short, don't try this at home or at all. [01:01:41][39.9]

Voiceover: [01:01:42] OK, Radio Free Satan promo, here we go. This is about as close to being spoonfed Satanism as you're going to get. Now you are listening to the funky, funky sound of Radio Free Satan, daddy-o. Hello, this is David Harris and you are listening to Radio Free Satan, the uncomfortable alternative. This is Reverend Paradise from Heavy Metal Memories. Straight from hell. If you play this message backwards, it sounds like you are listening to Radio Free Satan. Honest. You think you know me, but you only know my name, either damn fine music or infernal voice. Which is just what you're about to hear. The hellbound sounds, showcasing the evil powers of rock 'n roll music. The soundtrack of rebellion. The best damn music on the Internet. On Radio Free Satan.com. [01:03:04][82.2]

Unidentified: [01:03:11] Sounds like fun. So while I put my pants back on, I'm going to throw some rock at you. Hail Satan. Horns up. [01:03:19][7.5]

Voiceover: [01:03:26] I'm not wearing any pants. Film at -. [01:03:29][2.5]

[01:03:29] Fantastic, I wanted to tell you as well that I lost [01:03:34][5.4]

Shane Bugbee: [01:03:37] Jared, shh. [01:03:37][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:03:38] Now we're on the air again. And Jared did call in. [01:03:42][3.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:03:43] Speak Jared. [01:03:46][2.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:03:48] How are you doing? [01:03:48][0.5]

Jared Staaf: [01:03:49] Fantastic. It's very cold up here in Canada. Excellent climate for Vikings. [01:03:54][5.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:03:56] Wow. So, Jared, [01:03:58][1.4]

Doug Misicko: [01:03:59] let's not take this on a low moral plane. [01:04:00][1.7]

[01:04:02] Oh! Hey, Amy's a Viking. [01:04:04][2.7]

Jared Staaf: [01:04:05] I think part of the problem is that I, I, I've lost connection with RadioFreeSatan.com on our computer for some reason. I keep trying to get back into it and I can't get back into it. [01:04:15][10.5]

Doug Misicko: [01:04:16] Oh, maybe they pulled the plug. [01:04:17][0.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:04:18] Really. [01:04:18][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:04:24] Just talk to Jared, please. Hey, Jared, can you hear me? [01:04:26][2.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:04:30] Can he hear you? [01:04:31][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [01:04:31] Jared, can you hear me? Jared, Jared, can you hear me, Jared? [01:04:38][7.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:04:40] All right. I think Jared's - [disconnect tone]. [01:04:46][6.1]

Doug Misicko: [01:04:46] Aw, come on. [01:04:46][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:04:48] Hey, this is all Rich's fault. The fucking guy running Radio Free Satan, I don't know about this. [01:04:54][5.7]

Amy Bugbee: [01:04:54] Well, maybe he'll call back. I'll take down the receiver button while we're waiting. [01:05:00][6.0]

Doug Misicko: [01:05:00] Well, we can we can issue a plea to him because apparently he can't sign on. [01:05:05][4.4]

Amy Bugbee: [01:05:05] Yeah, Rich, I think we're losing we're losing the richeners because - because he's getting signed off. You heard him. He said he quit listening because he got signed off and he can't sign back on. It's the government plot against us. [01:05:18][13.1]

Doug Misicko: [01:05:19] And you know what they say. If one person says that, there's a hundred others who haven't called in to tell us that. [01:05:24][4.7]

Shane Bugbee: [01:05:25] I don't even think anyone can hear us, okay? [01:05:26][1.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:05:27] Maybe there's just so many listeners, it's overloaded on the server. [01:05:29][2.7]

Shane Bugbee: [01:05:30] I think that's what is the problem - I think that's what the problem is, Rich. That noise music drives the people to your servers so massively they are getting shoved away by some electronic gremlin [01:05:41][10.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:05:42] Noise is huge. When we had Boyd Rice play the expo, he had four fans that showed up! [01:05:48][5.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:05:50] Four, count 'em, four! And he wanted to get paid. Now the cocksucker goes around the country telling people, I don't pay him. He won't call me and tell me. I invited him out here tonight to tell me. And the motherfucker doesn't say a thing, does he? I think Boyd Rice is going to be my bitch someday, okay? Soon. You hear me, Mr. Rice? A Roni, San Franciscan treat? I'm coming for you, buddy. All right, you guys can talk a little. [01:06:16][25.5]

Amy Bugbee: [01:06:16] All right, well, maybe Jared will call back. [01:06:18][1.6]

Shane Bugbee: [01:06:19] Jared, let everyone know he's the guy in the Subway commercials. [01:06:22][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [01:06:24] Big moment, too, and what happened? [01:06:25][0.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:06:25] He was so excited. I feel so bad for him. [01:06:28][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [01:06:28] He said something about Vikings. He was a little quiet to me [01:06:30][1.6]

Amy Bugbee: [01:06:31] That was the end of it for him. [01:06:32][1.2]

Doug Misicko: [01:06:33] Sorry, Jared. We're working out our kinks, in more than one way, and it just happened, man, that just happened. Sorry about that. We tried to make shit happen. It'll happen. I did send him an email. Listen, you keep barking out orders and you're going to have nothing to bark with, buddy. [01:06:52][18.6]

Doug Misicko: [01:06:53] All right. Just send that e-mail. [01:06:53][0.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:06:54] You know, this radio show is supposed to kick off Shane's new Radio Free Satan weekly radio show. That'll be, how long will it be Shane, an hour? [01:07:05][11.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:07:05] Three, three, six hours. Every day. I was going to talk about what I'm watching on TV, Rich is really into that shit. [01:07:12][6.4]

Amy Bugbee: [01:07:12] So rather than start it with a short show to get used to it, Shane has decided to start it with a 24 hour live broadcast. So by the end, we should be fist fighting and drooling and making no sense. [01:07:26][14.1]

Doug Misicko: [01:07:27] Well, the three of us haven't slept to begin with anyways, and we're just getting started. [01:07:30][3.4]

Shane Bugbee: [01:07:31] Yeah. So wait till we start drinking. But what we have coming up here is another hour long piece. It's it's really. It's a very emotional thing, Waco. It's about Waco and what does it have to do with 9/11 and Might Is Right? Well, not a lot, except there was a burning building. A lot of kids got killed. I feel bad for the people at Waco, almost. You know, just because the government just went in and squashed people. I would like to see the government squashed once in a while by people. So I don't know if I felt bad for them, but it's a good, a good little piece of tape that we have and no one's heard it. It's unreleased. We - me and my wife Amy here - whore that she is, of horror. You see where we get a divorce, we go to court, she says, he called me a whore! I say, the fucking girl, has got a website that says she's a whore! No, but we went down to Waco, we went down to Waco and we went and met with the survivor and half his body was burned. And it was really, I don't know, really compelling, the whole thing being there and standing on that ground and watching, looking at like little toys that were burned into the ground with tank tracks on top of them. It was beautiful in its own special way, you know, seeing little kids, fingernail still there, stuff like that was fucked up. You know, if I could only have seen Auschwitz fresh, been a little similar. [01:09:04][92.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:09:05] A great movie to get is Waco Rules of Engagement. That really shows what happened there. And it's just such a tragedy. And it's also what inspired the Oklahoma City bombing. [01:09:17][11.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:09:17] Yeah, exactly. [01:09:18][0.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:09:19] For a while, some of Koresh's adherents who are still alive and still believed in the cause or whatever. They had a website and they'd send you free shit if you sent them an email. I don't know if they do that anymore, but they'd send you a book, "The Seven Seals." [01:09:35][16.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:09:36] Yeah, I got one. [01:09:37][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [01:09:37] Yeah, I got one too. A big Q and A book and it talks about, you know, Koresh, his interpretation of the Bible or whatever. It was a bunch of bullshit and it's hard to get through. [01:09:48][11.1]

Shane Bugbee: [01:09:48] They don't do it for free anymore, but they do it for like five bucks. It's worth it though. It's really crazy shit, that's for sure. [01:09:53][4.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:09:54] Well, when we went there, we went to the visitor's center and we met with one of the survivors and his mother. And I forgot what I was going to say. [01:10:04][9.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:10:04] Yeah, we got twenty three hours now. But I'll tell you, the funny thing about them was that we did an interview with them and got some tapes off them. Like I said, no one's heard this stuff, but it was really their religion. It's about Christianity and all this bullshit. But I appreciated that they were just calling for Armageddon. They wanted the end of the world. They really were into the end of the world. Is that what you're going to talk about? [01:10:30][26.0]

Amy Bugbee: [01:10:30] Yes, that's what I was going to say. [01:10:32][1.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:10:32] They said, they said we want everything destroyed because the chosen, the God's people will rise above the flames. And I'm all with that. You know, I don't - I'm not for God's people, but I'm just for burning the place down. Strongest survive. [01:10:47][15.0]

Amy Bugbee: [01:10:47] Well, we should definitely make a drinking game or something for every time one of us loses our train of thought, that would be good. But the great thing was when we went down to Waco and we were interviewing them on video and the video, I would stop the video to change the video or get a different angle. And they would talk really calmly and, you know, brotherly love and this and that. And then when the camera was off, all of a sudden they were like Nazis, you know, they hated everyone. They hated everyone that didn't. They just believed everyone should be dead who didn't agree with their beliefs. And I thought that was really admirable. [01:11:27][40.0]

Doug Misicko: [01:11:29] Right. Well, it becomes easier when they're insulated as a cult. Everybody else becomes the enemy. Everybody who thinks differently. [01:11:38][8.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:11:39] Exactly. But they were really fascinating and very friendly and very accommodating. We were there the day before Timothy McVeigh was executed and there were a lot of reporters there and stuff, and they really took the time to talk to us. So that was nice. It's a shame. Of course, I don't have the video, my three hour interview, video -. [01:12:01][21.4]

Doug Misicko: [01:12:01] What happened to that three hour interview? [01:12:03][2.4]

Amy Bugbee: [01:12:05] It's a sad long story, but we were doing -. [01:12:12][7.3]

Doug Misicko: [01:12:12] Twenty three hours. [01:12:12][0.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:12:13] We were - Shane and myself and a number of artists that Shane publishes because I don't know our listeners, our five listeners may or may not know that. Shane founded Michael Hunt Publishing and he's done a lot of stuff - [01:12:32][19.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:12:33] I founded everything that you are even touching in your house. I founded it all [01:12:36][3.4]

Amy Bugbee: [01:12:38] Over the last 15 years or so he's done magazines and books and videos. CDs and all kinds of stuff, extremely controversial stuff and really very important stuff, and we had done this tour, the Angry White Male Tour. And I had taped somewhere around 30 hours of performance and interviews. I had an interview with Max Hardcore. I had great interviews with incredible people. I had a guy slip slide through 20 feet of vomit. I mean, I just had incredible stuff. I had Jim Goad freak out and have a huge argument with Shane live on video. [01:13:22][43.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:13:22] Oh, no, no, no, no. You had Jim Goad walking away from me. [01:13:26][3.6]

Amy Bugbee: [01:13:26] That's right. [01:13:26][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:13:27] He said that fucking old fucking man. And I hope you're listening bitch, you're my bitch. You and Boyd Rice, I'd fuck you both at the same time. [01:13:33][6.1]

Doug Misicko: [01:13:33] Give us a call! [01:13:34][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [01:13:35] Give us a call, punk! The number. I'll give you the number. You email me motherfucker. But I'll tell you one thing. Yeah. We get in a fight. He goes, 'I'm going to knock your block off! If I weren't on parole, I'd knock your block off!' And I said, I ain't telling anybody. And he got so angry, he ran out of the room, got on a plane and left Las Vegas the same night. Now, that is a fucking pussy to me. I don't give a fuck. Where I come from, that's a fucking pussy. [01:13:59][24.2]

Amy Bugbee: [01:13:59] You know, he was just out of crack. [01:14:00][0.9]

Shane Bugbee: [01:14:01] Yeah, he's a crack addict and he's a fucking disappointment. He fucked four hundred pound niggers on a road. He's disgusting, he's a disgusting person. I could go on all day. Don't ever bring that guy's name up. I'm going to get so angry I'm gonna smash things. [01:14:12][10.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:14:12] OK, well anyway, so we got back from the airport and we were on this flight that almost crashed and it was horrible and I was puking my guts out on the plane. And then we took a cab home and we got everything out of the taxi and we brought it all in the house. And my video bag was there and we went upstairs to relax for a little bit. And then about an hour later, we went down to get the videos, to start watching them. And they were gone. Everything was gone. So stolen. They must have been stolen out of our door. Someone must have come in. Now, I have my conspiracy theories about it, but I don't know. So it's the last movie -. [01:14:58][45.4]

Doug Misicko: [01:14:59] That cunt Janet Reno send people over? [01:15:01][1.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:15:01] I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, we were there the day before McVeigh died, so I'm sure that we were being watched. [01:15:05][4.2]

Shane Bugbee: [01:15:08] That's fucked up. We lost a lot of good footage of very historical stuff. Too bad the world didn't get to see it. Too bad the world wasn't in those buildings that burned down at Waco too. [01:15:17][9.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:15:18] And unfortunately, if a good Samaritan would have found my video camera or anything - [01:15:22][4.3]

Doug Misicko: [01:15:24] He would have gotten a free Might Is Right T-shirt tonight! [01:15:25][0.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:15:28] If they would have rewound the video a little bit to see what was on there. The last scene was a toothless hooker. [01:15:35][7.1]

Shane Bugbee: [01:15:35] I paid this toothless hooker - [01:15:36][0.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:15:36] fucking a comic book. [01:15:37][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [01:15:38] I paid this toothless hooker twenty bucks to fuck one of Mike Diana's comic books. And it was disgusting, that's for sure. [01:15:46][7.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:15:46] Fucking Jared. Jared probably stole your videos. That dude's probably stalking you. [01:15:49][2.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:15:52] Jared, what do you have to say about that? Radio Free Satan won't let you back on their server is what you're telling me. So you can't hear the show. People are dropping off like flies. This is fucking nuts, man. What the fuck are we doing here? But no, literally, we're going to - this is a Waco chunk of stuff that the guy from Waco gave me. Very few people have this. And I know it's never been broadcast. It's something special. I think we're going to start with trying to play a record safe. I'm breaking a ton of cherries here tonight. I'm bleeding everywhere. But this is the first time we're going to play a record on this radio show. So let's play. Let's try. This is - um, who is this? [01:16:31][38.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:16:31] This is The Beast. And this song is for Shane. [01:16:34][2.7]

Shane Bugbee: [01:16:35] Whoa. Well, this one is going out to Jared. Not to me. To Jared. Come on, Amy, hit it, one, two, three. Hello, is this thing on? We've got it. Let's start over again. Wait, wait, wait. Stop it. All right, you didn't hear the last two minutes, you didn't hear the last two minutes, you didn't hear the last. All right. This one is going out to Jared. Just fucked it up again. [01:17:55][80.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:21:19] Testing, testing is this thing on? Hello, testing. I don't think this fucking shit is working. Hello. Hello. Testing, is this - hello? Hello. Testing. Hello. Is this thing on? This fucking internet broadcasting. What the, fuck this fucking stupid computer. Hello. Hello. Is this thing on? Oh, fuck it, man fucking shit. Mother fucking motherfucking shit computer. God damn it! Hello, hello. Oh, shit, I think this shit works. [01:21:52][33.1]

Unidentified: [01:24:24] Yeah, I I've been getting some harassing emails, machine bombi? I don't how he got my email address. I don't want any more emails from him ever again. I'm on this email list of his and he's trying to send me something. I'm a writer. I don't think you guys want any bad press for whatever label you have, whatever kind of band you're trying to push. But I really don't appreciate getting these emails from him. I want to be taken off the list. If I don't get taken off the list, and I stop getting these harassing emails from him, I'm just going to have to keep calling this phone number and just charging up this stupid fucking line wherever you guys are trying to sell. I don't want any more emails from him. Thanks a lot. [01:24:56][32.6]

Voiceover: [01:27:24] All that remains today of the Branch Davidian church home near Waco, Texas, is a pile of rubble and a lot of unanswered questions [01:27:30][6.3]

Voiceover: [01:27:34] It did not have to end that way. But man is so impatient. That man thinks he's so intelligent. He tries to outdo God. What the people did not understand is that they were fighting God. And if you read Psalms, too, you'll find out that God is laughing at people who think they have won the war. It's his war. And he'll finish it. [01:28:04][30.2]

Voiceover: [01:28:15] Anybody who has met any of us Davidians, Branch Davidians, has said when we meet you, we see how intelligent, how honest, how just what you're like. And that's not the picture that's been painted in the media as what we are at all. They've said cultists, you know, and you've seen a picture of a building and pictures have been painted in your minds about who we were and what we were and what we believed and what we stood for. People said we were, we were brainwashed. We're mind controlled. Those things were not true at all. We were all there studying the Bible because we could see that David had something to teach that nobody else did. [01:28:46][31.7]

Voiceover: [01:28:47] The Branch Davidian doctrine is often misunderstood, and it was over a difference of interpretation of the Book of Revelations that led its founder, Victor Houteff, to leave the Seventh Day Adventist Church. [01:28:58][10.7]

Voiceover: [01:28:59] We believe that the Bible in its entirety, from the Book of Genesis all the way through the Book of Revelation, including some books that were not included in the in the King James Bible, are all prophetic. And they all point to the times that we're coming to today. [01:29:17][18.6]

Voiceover: [01:29:19] He moved his followers from Los Angeles to Waco, Texas, in 1935, purchased a property near Lake Waco and established the Mount Carmel Center. This original property was later sold and the church moved to a location about 12 miles east of Waco. They believe the return of Christ was imminent, and in 1959, about 900 church members gathered here at the new Mount Carmel to await the second coming. In this rare interview, Branch Davidian spokesman Dudley Gothe explained the biblical basis for their religious beliefs and the purpose in his gathering. All nations they are to battle is that he might prepare the land, so that he can set up his kingdom, so that his people might return there and set up his kingdom in compliance or in fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel 2:44, where the Lord says he's going to set up his kingdom down in the last days. That particular prophecy is brought out on this small child. [01:30:22][63.3]

Voiceover: [01:30:22] Unlike mainstream Protestant theology, the Branch Davidian is do not believe there will be a rapture of the church. They believe Christians will endure the tribulation and suffer persecution for their faith. [01:30:33][10.7]

Voiceover: [01:30:34] ...The image to pieces. And Daniel said that this stone is God's kingdom that is set up in the days of these all these things that are represented by the tolls. [01:30:42][7.6]

Voiceover: [01:30:43] We have come down to the stores of time, the feet of the image to be divided. Daniel saw our day. He saw exactly what would happen and he was told in Daniel 12. Daniel and Revelation are two books that go hand in hand. [01:31:03][19.2]

Voiceover: [01:31:04] After the death of Victor Houteff in 1955, church leadership went to Benjamin and Lois Roden. But over the years, their numbers slowly dwindled away. When Vernon Howell, who later changed his name to David Koresh, appeared on the scene in the 1980s, many thought it was a sign. [01:31:23][18.4]

Voiceover: [01:31:24] It is best that's everything he tried, he did his best, and he made an effort to let us know he cared about us and he was from the beginning, from Palestine up until the time when we saw the big house there. He was always improving our life, always trying. Every living soul that accepts Christianity, I challenge them to show me the seven seals of Revelation four and five, and if they can't do it, then I show them. And if they're honest, they'll see it. [01:31:51][27.2]

Voiceover: [01:31:52] Like many survivalist groups today, the Branch Davidians began to prepare for the coming persecution. They purchased weapons for self-defense, and stored food supplies to sustain them. [01:32:04][11.5]

Voiceover: [01:32:05] A lot of people vilify the Branch Davidians because they had a lot of food, they had a lot of ammo. They were sort of separatist survivalist waiting for Armageddon. And you know why you might not want that sort of person living next door to you? There's really nothing wrong with it. There's nothing illegal about it. There's nothing that... [01:32:23][17.7]

Voiceover: [01:32:24] When a disgruntled church member, Mark Breault, was expelled for improper conduct, he went to the authorities with fabricated stories of child molesting and weapons violations. [01:32:34][9.7]

Voiceover: [01:32:35] Him having sex with underage girls was and molesting children and so forth was something that was cooked up by members who were booted out for immoral behavior. And and the FBI and the ATF - it was a good excuse to do what they did out of Mount Carmel. [01:32:54][19.4]

Voiceover: [01:32:55] The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms was originally established to collect taxes for the US Treasury Department. Today, their mission is the disarming of the American civilian population. Therefore, the Branch Davidian church near Waco became a target for extermination. Branch Davidian church members compare it to an attack on a Viet Cong village made even more curious by the newspaper articles that had just been released. In a display of flagrant disregard, The Waco Tribune-Herald began running a series of reports about the Branch Davidians on the same day of the ATF assault. Equally curious is the fact that it was the undercover agent, Robert Rodriguez, who brought copies of the newspaper to Mount Carmel, that very morning. [01:34:10][74.8]

Voiceover: [01:34:11] papers were brought in in the morning by Robert. And I was down - I came down there when he was showing them to the different people that were down there and. I read a little bit about it, but then one of the men went out and got some of the papers and brought them back, and a little later I came back down and picked a paper up to bring it up to my room to read it completely. And I noticed they - two calcars coming in. And pull up in front and I ran upstairs, read the paper, I thought the men were going to do something. With that, I -. [01:35:01][49.9]

Voiceover: [01:35:01] Catherine went upstairs to her room, and the attack on Mount Carmel began [01:35:04][2.8]

Voiceover: [01:35:07] After I had gotten upstairs, I heard three helicopters. Reason I know there were three because I looked out the window to see where they were, what they were doing, and they were firing on us. [01:35:20][12.9]

Voiceover: [01:35:21] With a search warrant of questionable legality, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms launched a raid on the Branch Davidian church. It was Sunday morning, February 28, 1993, and Catherine Mathis was absolutely positive that government agents fired the first shots. [01:35:39][18.2]

Voiceover: [01:35:41] I saw and I heard it, and they were - I was in the back of the building, that's where my room was, and they were firing toward David's room. And they turned, and when they turned, I fell to the floor because I could see, that those bullets could have hit me if I were standing, so they went to the front of the building and. It seemed like when they got in the front, by the time they got to the front, they were firing again and so, all the others were fired. [01:36:19][37.7]

Voiceover: [01:36:20] when questioned further about her observations that day, Catherine was adamant. She was certain of what she saw and heard. [01:36:28][8.0]

Voiceover: [01:36:30] Definitely they were the only ones I heard and saw at the time that they were coming in in the helicopter. They're - There was no one else firing. [01:36:42][12.6]

Voiceover: [01:36:44] Questioned separately, Annetta Richards' testimony is virtually identical to that of Catherine Matteson's. [01:36:50][6.0]

Voiceover: [01:36:51] I was actually getting ready for worship. And. I heard a noise like a helicopter, and then I heard bullets start firing, you know, bullets are coming in from every direction and the helicopters were flying over the building. It was - the sound of it was so low that by the time I saw it, they had landed on the roof. [01:37:18][26.8]

Voiceover: [01:37:29] Bullets were coming from all directions, and I heard a voice saying get down. So those of us who were there in the hallway went down, on the floor on our tummy, on our hands and feet. And I looked around and I saw some children, so I took them close to me and there was a baby, a little 10 year old girl was holding her. And I took the baby from her and, like, hovering with my body over the baby's, so that if a bullet came through, it would hit me instead of the baby. [01:38:15][46.0]

Voiceover: [01:38:16] There is corroboration for their testimony of gunfire from the helicopters. It comes from one of the Branch Davidian children who left Mount Carmel that evening and was later told by psychologist Dr. Bruce Perry that I asked her, is there anything else? She took her crayon and went. And I asked what that was. And she said that was bullets. No sooner had the dust settled than the ATF began to lie and cover up about their actions during the raid, the way they acted as though the Branch Davidian had come looking for them. [01:38:54][38.0]

Voiceover: [01:38:55] The main problem we had. I don't believe is that we were outmaneuvered or out. The problem we have is that we were outgunned. [01:39:01][6.0]

Voiceover: [01:39:02] Fed up with the obvious lies, a young independent investigator named Ron Cole decided it was time to get involved and packed his bags and headed for Waco. After talking with eyewitnesses and conducting his own research, Ron Cole arrived at the obvious conclusion using a scale model of Mount Carmel. He relates the sequence of events that fateful Sunday morning. [01:39:26][23.3]

Voiceover: [01:39:26] Those people that I've talked to that were in a position to see the helicopters indicate the helicopters fired first, whereas those that were at the front of the center couldn't see the helicopters, could hear them, but saw the agents exiting the cattle trailers. They say the first shots came from these ATF agents at the front. That's why I'm saying it seems to me the shots were fired from agents at the front and from the helicopters within seconds of each other, which means there would not have been enough time for some emergency code word to have been used or for someone else inside to fire the first shot that would have initiated simultaneous fire from the ground and from the air within seconds of each other. That indicates to me that this was planned in advance. It was a frontal assault from the ground and air support coming in from the back, simultaneous preplanned attack. [01:40:15][48.3]

[01:40:16] And practice for it, drilled over and over again. And we had a plan down. We had a diversion down. [01:40:24][8.0]

Voiceover: [01:40:26] When the ATF agents arrived at Mount Carmel, they should have noticed the Branch Davidian men were not where they were expected to be. Ron Cole explains. [01:40:34][8.2]

Voiceover: [01:40:35] When the two ATF controllers pulled into the driveway from Iran, strode out front of the property, the team that was in the first cattle trailer, they were supposed to exit the trailer here and go to the under-construction tornado shelters where they thought most of the men would be that morning trying to finish up the shelters themselves. The second trailer, they were supposed to disembark and crashed through the front door part of the team. The other part of the team was to come around the side up these ladders into what they thought was the gun room, another small part of that second cattle trailer team. They were supposed to go and suppress the dogs, either with a fire extinguisher or if need be, with gunshots. In fact, so far, the testimony that's come out of the trial is that the opening shots may, in fact, have been fired by ATF agents at the cattle trailers. [01:41:31][56.0]

Voiceover: [01:41:32] When David Koresh saw the ATF agents pulling out of the cattle trailers, he opened the front door and made an attempt to stop the attack. I opened the front door. [01:41:41][9.4]

Voiceover: [01:41:42] They were running up their tactical expertize. They got their guns changed and everything. They started hollering, you know, all of hollered. I didn't know what they were saying. And I was already hollering. I was saying, you know, hey, go away. You know, I was hollering, go away. There's women and children here. Let's talk. They started firing at me. [01:42:05][22.6]

Voiceover: [01:42:06] And so what happened was, is that I fell back and the bullets started coming to the door. And so then what had some of the some of the young men and stuff started firing on him. Courageous version of the attack was later confirmed by Bradbrook in a phone call from the McLennan County jail. When they shut down, they did open the door [01:42:27][21.1]

Voiceover: [01:42:27] and they hand out the older women and children at [01:42:30][3.1]

Voiceover: [01:42:31] the door and I'll be the boiler. And that boy slammed the door at six. Branch Davidian were killed during the attack. Among them was Australian born Peter Jiah, who was working inside the old water tower and simply looked out to see what was going on. [01:42:46][14.6]

Voiceover: [01:42:47] It was shot here on top of the water tower while he was working, cleaning out the inside of the water tower. He came to the top level that he had built. He built up several levels so he could clean out the inside of it from top to bottom. And when he walked up over the top level there, he was shot. [01:43:09][22.1]

Voiceover: [01:43:10] David Koresh, his father in law, Harry Jones, was standing behind him when he opened the front door. Jones took several bullets meant for Koresh and died about an hour later. [01:43:21][10.7]

Voiceover: [01:43:22] The child's testimony to Dr Perry concerning the holes with that, she drew in the room, corroborate with what a lot of other people that were in there said, including Katherine Madsen and Dick DeGuerin. Dick DeGuerin was interviewed by Diane Sawyer on ABC Primetime, and he stated in this interview that he clearly saw its. The ceiling, as it appeared, looked quote unquote, like Swiss cheese because it had holes all in it from bullets fired through the roof, the only way, obviously these bullet holes could be in the ceiling from the through the roof is from helicopter fire. And I've talked to David Jones, a little six year old daughter, and I asked her, what did you do on February 28? What happened? And she said that bullets started coming through the roof and she ran and hid under her bed. And her brother, who was a couple of years older than her, ran down the hall into the stairwell. As a matter of fact, Winston Blake, who was one of the people killed inside Mount Carmel on the first day. He was found with a bullet hole through the top of his head and he was still holding a piece of French toast. I was terrified when I heard the bullets coming because it was like, you know, it was so frightening. You hear the bullets coming in, you don't know why we're so there was nothing you could do, you know. It was frightening. Nobody had any time to prepare for anything. It was just so sudden. [01:45:03][101.1]

Voiceover: [01:45:04] The last shooting that day occurred around seven p.m. and was reported by the news media in this manner [01:45:10][5.8]

Voiceover: [01:45:11] a couple of hours ago, about seven o'clock tonight, there was more gunfire. Three members of the cult came out of the compound firing at ATF agents. One of the members was killed, another was taken into custody, [01:45:22][10.9]

Voiceover: [01:45:23] and a third was that news report was a complete lie. Once again, Ron Cole sets the record straight. [01:45:29][6.4]

Voiceover: [01:45:30] Mike Schroeder, Bob Kendrick and Norman Allison were not inside Mount Carmel Center in the morning of February 28 when this raid took place. All three of them were at the mag bag several miles away when they heard about the raid on the radio. They made the decision after hearing about the raid to try to get back home. Mike Schroeder had his wife, his baby boy inside. Nobody knew who was alive or dead or what had happened. Exactly. Mike Schroeder attempted a mad dash from off the property trying to get over this fence into the paint shop on Mount Carmel. Unfortunately, he was seen by Special Agent Daryl Dyer, who had his outpost set up since before the raid in the Heyburn off the property. Mike ran towards this fence and although he was unarmed, well, he was armed with nothing but a stun gun. Dale Dyer emptied his 30 round submachine gun magazine into Mike, striking seven times in the back. Agent Dyer fired one burst at him, but somehow Mike kept struggling, got about 10 feet from the property line here and where you see these sections cut off at this tree. That's where his body rest for several days before they saw fit to remove it. [01:46:44][73.3]

Voiceover: [01:46:46] The official reason for the raid on Mount Carmel was to search for illegal weapons and arrest David Koresh. However, as it turns out, most of the guns were not even there. [01:46:56][9.8]

Voiceover: [01:46:56] We did have somewhat of a collection, but the weapons were never intended to. Paul Fatah, who worked at gun shows all over Texas and end up at Mount Carmel, who in fact was responsible for most of the gun purchases through the mag bag he rented out on February 28. That morning, while the raid took place, he was at a gun show in Austin with his son, along with most of the weapons that the ATF had come there to seize. There was a business that David was conducting, selling firearms. [01:47:28][31.8]

Voiceover: [01:47:30] Paul Fada and David Koresh sold guns and other merchandise at gun shows, as do many gun dealers. This was a perfectly legitimate enterprise and gave David Koresh a chance to talk to people about his religious beliefs. I met the guy one time real briefly at a gun show a couple of years ago. I was passing out fliers and and he wanted to talk guns in the Bible. So the ATF, he wasn't looking for Bibles when they raided Mount Carmel, but they should have known that most of the guns were in Austin with Paul Fatah. [01:48:02][32.9]

Voiceover: [01:48:04] The ATF had an undercover house across the street a hundred yards away from the front door. McConnell said they had that place under surveillance 24 hours a day, every day for weeks prior to February 28 raid. And they had to be aware of the fact that Paul was working these gun shows. And it seems to me unless they're completely ignorant of reality, they ought to have been able to see from 100 yards away Paul leaving to go to this gun show. And after weeks of surveillance and several of these shows should have figured out that the vast majority of those weapons would not have even been there. [01:48:39][36.0]

Voiceover: [01:48:41] Guns may not have been the only thing the ATF was looking for. [01:48:44][3.5]

Voiceover: [01:48:45] Jeff Little was an analyst, a computer analyst for Yamaha of Americas headquarters in Winter Park, California, and [01:48:55][9.8]

Voiceover: [01:48:56] writes Floridians Jeff Little and Wayne Martin had been conducting their own investigation of the ATF using computers located inside Mount Carmel. [01:49:06][9.2]

Voiceover: [01:49:06] I think that the possibilities for Jeff Little and Wayne more to have been able to tap into information concerning the ATF or any other part of the federal government would be very high. I saw some information. They were collecting information on all of the ATF activities over the last several years. [01:49:29][23.0]

Voiceover: [01:49:31] In April of 1991, after Operation Desert Storm Marine Corps fast sealift vessels returned to Port Arthur, Texas, a ship's officer who refused an interview and does not wish to be identified says that his ship's cargo hold was full of helicopters. Concealed inside the helicopters were thousands of weapons confiscated from captured Iraqi soldiers. These helicopters with weapons inside were then loaded onto flatbed railcars and shipped to Fort Sill, Oklahoma. It is believed that these firearms are intended for distribution to American street gangs, which are currently being converted by police agencies into law enforcement units. The weapons, of course, would not be traceable. These gangs working with the ATF will be used to enter civilian homes to confiscate weapons. Is it possible that Jeff Little and Wayne Martin access classified government [01:50:31][60.8]

Voiceover: [01:50:32] computer files through a back door? They had obtained this information. [01:50:36][4.1]

Voiceover: [01:50:38] Yeah, I think that it's it's very possible that there could have been some kind of information that they had on the computer inside the the building there, that was information the ATF did not want to get out. And I think they seem to be awfully anxious to to get into that one window that they that everyone saw them going into. And there's a possibility it might have been something besides guns they were after. [01:51:09][31.9]

Voiceover: [01:51:25] Evening settled in over the dark hills of central Texas and the long siege began, 51 days of Tarong, 51 days of darkness, hope and frustration in all of America lived through it. Never before in the history of law enforcement had so many personnel exerted so much effort for so little reason. The search warrant primarily listed conversion kits, which may have altered an AR 15 assault rifle, which might have been installed by the Branch Davidian, which could have created an illegal machine gun to make such a weapon legal, a 200 dollar tax must be paid. Therefore, the ATF and FBI ultimately spent seven million dollars in order [01:52:19][53.3]

Voiceover: [01:52:19] to collect 200 bucks. [01:52:20][1.5]

Voiceover: [01:52:25] The police believe David Koresh was a vicious criminal and guilty of kidnaping, rape, murder and all sorts of heinous crimes. No, they did not. McLennan County Sheriff Jack Farwell knew David on a first name basis. And in 1987, following a shootout with George Roden, had arrested David and searched the property without incident. Americans everywhere sat in the comfort of their homes and watched the drama unfold. They witnessed the trampling of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Those who seek to control guns will also try to control people. Those who control the masses care not for the lives of innocent men, women and children. The standoff at Mount Carmel gradually evolved into a surreal cosmic struggle between good and evil, freedom and slavery, free will and tyranny. The next day, Monday, March one dawned clear and bright, however, a radio talk show host in Dallas, Ron Engelmann, refused to tow the official government line and took up the cause of the Branch Davidian. [01:53:48][83.4]

Voiceover: [01:53:50] I see you guys out there and I'll give you that book out there. The next agreement I'm going to give you, if you can take the other one in Liberia. [01:53:57][7.3]

Voiceover: [01:53:58] All right. The standoff continues in Waco this evening. The CBC's radio personality [01:54:03][4.4]

Voiceover: [01:54:03] wants to take a van into the compound with two surgeons [01:54:06][2.7]

Voiceover: [01:54:06] to treat any wounded Branch Davidian. We're treating these people worse than we treat. Prisoners of war, prisoners of war [01:54:12][5.3]

Voiceover: [01:54:12] get medical attention. Nobody is receiving medical attention in their midst at all. [01:54:18][5.8]

Voiceover: [01:54:18] You're not answering the question. You're talking around and just answer the question, are you OK? And if you don't. Why did they kill Randy Weaver's wife? Why did they kill Randy Weaver, 14 year old son, by shooting him in the back four times? Our government has run amuck, the FBI, particularly the ATF. That's the problem. The first article they wrote says in the article [01:54:39][21.3]

Voiceover: [01:54:40] they have a 50 caliber machine gun, [01:54:42][1.6]

Voiceover: [01:54:43] but they've never been able to find that 50 caliber machine gun. I'm just saying what the ATF did was illegal. Why are they why are they coming into our state the way they're coming in here and just acting like a bunch of renegades, the entire Branch Davidian who were hostages of the ATF, they didn't surrender. They were leaving their homes. Ron Engelmann was outraged over the attack on this peaceful religious community. Our phone number is now under siege, was underway, and Ron wanted to fill in for up here on Metro Calusa Monday morning. I decided I'm going to tell him a new ask the ATF. I go to work Monday morning on my way to work. I'm listening to his position on the ATF, stirred up a lively debate and Ron Engelmann became the target of much criticism from the establishment press and were critical of Ron that we didn't think he should get involved [01:55:33][50.4]

Voiceover: [01:55:34] in that part of the process that would have caused, [01:55:37][3.1]

Voiceover: [01:55:38] said David Koresh often. We don't rule throughout that [01:55:42][3.8]

Voiceover: [01:55:42] first Sunday evening when some of the Branch Davidian children were sent out in exchange for the FBI, allowing a message from David Koresh to be broadcast over Dallas Station K.R. on five five. Oh my God, who sits on the throne in heaven has given me a book of seven SEALs in Revelation, 10 or seven of the sealed book. The Mystery of God is to Beast found. David Koresh has declared he believed as to all of the Branch Davidian to this day and 22 that they were at the fifth seal and the fifth seal meant that there was going to be something, something was going to happen to those that believe in God. And that night, as as he was able to broadcast and give messages over the radio in order for him to do that, he would have to make force two or three children to leave their home, to leave their parents and go into the custody of the same people that had just killed a number of those inside and wounded. A number of those inside had terrorized everyone inside and had now had the place surrounded. And these little children were forced to leave their home and go into the hands of those people. I don't know if I would allow my child to do that. On day three of the siege Tuesday, March, the second David Koresh set a tape out with Katherine Madsen. Their agreement was they would all come out if the tape, a fifty eight minute sermon was broadcast on radio stations during prime time. They were supposed to play the tape in prime time now. Now, that could have meant two different things. Prime time or drive time on radio would be like from 4:00 to 6:00 in the evening. Prime time on television would be like from seven o'clock till 10:00 or eight o'clock till eleven o'clock. And that's when they wanted to tape play. The tape was actually played at one thirty in the afternoon. And there's every possibility in the world that they were not listening to the tape or listening to the radio when the tape was played and therefore never knew that the tape was played. That may be one of the reasons they didn't come out. The Branch Davidian did not leave Mount Carmel. Following the broadcast of David Koresh sermon, the FBI said that David had lied to them. But later, Sheila Martin told us the actual reasons for not coming out. [01:58:10][147.9]

Voiceover: [01:58:10] It's one of the reasons David stated he knew that the land would become ours, for instance. [01:58:15][4.8]

Voiceover: [01:58:16] My understanding is owner about March 22nd, 1988, Waco judge issued a verbal order that the Branch Davidian must occupy the 77 acre plot of land continuously for a period of five years. Then it would become legally theirs. The five year period would not expire for another 20 days. Inside Mount Carmel, where about 100 people, they represented a diverse racial and cultural mix of nationalities, but we're all there for one purpose, only to study the Bible. [01:58:49][33.5]

Voiceover: [01:58:50] We were trying to to live in the community like the early apostles did. [01:58:50][0.0]

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