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Another Goddamn Horror Podcast! Ep. 52 - Lucien Greaves!
Nov 29, 2021
We've outdone ourselves this week. We get down and dirty with some trashy horror talk with The Satanic Temple co-founder Lucien Greaves! We talk Satan, we talk satanic politics, we talk autocrats and of course we talk horror...good old fashioned cheap, fun horror! Such a treat to be able to have these dicussions with such amazing people. DIg in and check it out! Hail Satan!
https://anchor.fm/horror-bizz/episodes/ep--52-Lucien-Greaves-e1auvpq

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Unknown Speaker 0:06 In your darkest corners of the podcast done you have come across another god damn for podcast Jonah's

Unknown Speaker 0:36 welcome everybody to yet another goddamn horror podcast. I am one of your hosts I am Ryan Danly coming to you from a cloudy kind of, I don't know, near Portland Oregon day, it looks like it looks like like a fucking Tim Burton movie out here which is, you know on so that makes today like an odds of it being like one out of every eight being decent. My little Tim Burton jab. How's it going? How's it going in Brooklyn Graham?

Unknown Speaker 1:07 Um, it's fine. It's cold. It got real cold real quick. I thought I was gonna die. I was outside for about two minutes last night at like two in the morning. And it was brutal. And it's just cloudy and gross. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 1:21 Grandma, I'm gonna blow your fucking mind here. I'm gonna go for mine. They make sure that have sleeps.

Unknown Speaker 1:29 I've heard of such a thing. I mean, I mean, they come with super long ones. They

Unknown Speaker 1:37 come all the way to your wrists. I got like, into, like, behind, like, and you can almost be like a cool goth kid and like, get ones that are really long and you can cut some holes in it. And behind it. That's actually a cool, great idea. And then you're hanging out by like the smoking area. Like your high school. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, it's pretty cool though. My smoking areas just by the trash. outside the building. Donut sounds the other side of Brooklyn.

Unknown Speaker 2:07 Oh, you know, the other side of Brooklyn. Just Cold. Cold cloudy, but you know, I can't complain. It's a It's my type of weather. I'm into it.

Unknown Speaker 2:16 Have you heard of these sleeves on shirts?

Unknown Speaker 2:18 I you know, I have. I have to I just actually busted out the hoodie for the first time in a while. So it's yeah, it's getting there.

Unknown Speaker 2:27 I have a champion hoodie. But like, like, what's cool about champion is I've lived through two different champion arrows. I lived in like New York hardcore and early 90s champion era hoodies, like gorilla biscuits, like, you know, champion era. And now it's like coming back so like, you know, like, I'm like, oh, cool, but like, I'm also like, now like a like, like a mid 40s Dude, walk walking around and like a kid. It's pretty dope. You know what I mean? Like, if you dress like you're 16 You'll never grow old. Well, we have like we could continue talking about this or we could talk to our absolutely incredible guests that we have what do you guys think you guys think we should do keep talking about clothing? Or should we? Maybe just

Unknown Speaker 3:13 tired of getting back down for not having sleep?

Unknown Speaker 3:19 I'm well welcome to the show. Listen, listen. What would you call yourself? What do you what do you call yourself? What what is your what is your job?

Unknown Speaker 3:32 I am the co founder of in spokesperson for the Satanic Temple and I'm also the front person for this superstar band. Satanic planet. With yes comparison Dave Lombardo and Luke Henshaw.

Unknown Speaker 3:48 That's got to be like such a great thing. Like it's such a great like, like perk of being with the Satanic Temple and like getting to go like jump in this band with like, like, like legends like those guys. You know, we adjusted on the show, and I bet a big fan of his work since since the struggle days, and he's a he's a such a legit guy. And that's got to be so fun to work with those guys and do that.

Unknown Speaker 4:13 Yeah, it was the result of me having done an interview with the UK metal magazine, and they were asking me what bands I like and I thrown in Dead cross. And then Justin reached out and I had been a huge fan of a lot of his projects for a long time, too. So he came around to do a podcast interview with me and Salem, and then it was there. He came with Luke who does plan to be with him. And then somewhere in the course of chatting, we talked about doing a project and originally it was going to be spoken word and then we just started working on music and Dave Lombardo jumped in and now it's a whole whole project when it was gonna be just a one off thing.

Unknown Speaker 4:53 It's so good and any of our listeners who haven't checked it out, please go check out the satanic planet. Like it's such like a Perfect fall record like you get up in the in the in the Pacific Northwest and like drive to work in the morning. Any like you throw that on and it's so like spot on it is like it's just like, it hits like all the right notes. You guys killed it.

Unknown Speaker 5:15 Yeah, we threw it I gotta say I think I think we really mastered the the low BPM hardcore, grinding kind of just relentless driving type type sound set. You know, we started out with really low BPM type backgrounds and to hear them evolve into something that was just raucous and horrifying. was really gratifying. And I feel like it, it takes, I think it takes something different to do it for in the low BPM than it does for something that's like 200 BPM per minute.

Unknown Speaker 5:52 For sure. Yeah. It's like a ritual like, it's, it feels like, like a brutal ritual throughout the whole thing. I love it.

Unknown Speaker 6:03 I'm so so yeah. But did you have musical experience before that? Or was it just like, that was your first

Unknown Speaker 6:12 that was vocals. And I, I didn't take too many risks with the vocals on the first album, you know, so I really felt out of my depth there. But I had messed around a lot with electronic noise and doing my own independent sound tracking of silent films and other things I didn't really release but experimented with. And, you know, there's another guest vocalist from the Satanic Temple on the satanic planet album, Shiva, honey. And she and I had worked on stuff and done a couple of live shows before where we actually did live SoundTracking, electronic SoundTracking fours, you know, silent film. And but this, you know, a project of this magnitude is something entirely different.

Unknown Speaker 7:00 I mean, you gotta walk into that room with those with those people and be like, Wow, this is this is the deep end of recording and doing art, because those guys are all very experienced, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 7:15 But we immediately work together really well. And it was kind of amazing, because we were going to do this spoken word material. So I had this stuff written up. And then Luke and I started exchanging these sound samples, and they're getting more musical and structured. And I was too reserved when I was alone, you know, to really lay down much, so we got into the studio. And there's already buzz around this idea that we're making it out. So we had to make good on something, you know, so I was nervous about it. And then we get in the studio, I had no idea what I was doing. And I'm just listening to these parts and trying to put vocals to it. So it's kind of writing the vocals in real time. While we're in the studio, and then going into it, we're plugging this stuff in into the sound booth and then constructing it on the spot. You know, so it was kind of a fast process, but we also just kind of agreed really fast on what was sounding good together and what was working and that kind of thing. And so, you know, it's like, if I get on a Fox News interview or something, you're really nervous to do it. But you know, if you're reserved, or if you show nervousness, or if it kind of hold back in ways that are counterproductive, you're going to ruin it. So, you know, I just had to suddenly risk looking like a complete fool, going into the sound booth and trying to lay down vocals, but I couldn't let that stop me either.

Unknown Speaker 8:47 You were like, Oh, I think I think it worked out amazingly. And, and I agree with it's true with like all are as a as journalists can attend to to even with like, you know, like stand up. It's like you got to go up there and put it all out or, or it just doesn't they just won't connect with you. And it's a it's a big part of art is like not being it's like I call it the dropping in on a halfpipe thing. You know what I mean? Like, if you pull back, you're gonna eat it, you're gonna eat it the board, the board is gonna you have to commit, you know what I mean? So it's like, all the all those things. It's like, I'm sure there's like some life lesson in there. But yeah, learning is hard. You know,

Unknown Speaker 9:27 with comedy, too, it's like you jump up there and it's everything is like, it's whatever until you get that first lap. Once you get that first lap, it's fine. But before that, you're it's still like, Alright, how deep is this water that I'm in? Like, you know, you never know each you know, each audience is different. Exactly.

Unknown Speaker 9:45 And you're here. Are you doing another album?

Unknown Speaker 9:49 Oh, yeah, we're working on another album. We're kind of a little behind on what we had planned there because everybody was really excited about the idea of working on a set And album right away. And when Bartow, you know, was has been really hyped about working on second album, which is great because the guys were really, you know, missing talented musician and just the same, you know, he's really excited to get to work on the second satanic planet album because this time he's going to be working with us during the creative process on the first one, we pretty much laid everything out he came in after the fact. And really, he really made a difference in the final mixes and everything else. But he wasn't. He wasn't there at the point where we were actually writing the material. So we've already laid down some new tracks for the new album. And having his creative input is a whole new dimension. Now for satanic planet. That's really, I think, going to take it over the top. And I've had more time to think about an experiment more with vocals and things like that. So I think the second one is going to be you know, as much as I love the first one, I'm proud of how it turned out. I think the second one is going to be much better. And I'm really excited for it.

Unknown Speaker 11:11 Yeah, that's awesome. I'm super excited for it.

Unknown Speaker 11:14 Um, I mean, like, Dave Lombardo, I mean, his his history speaks for itself. And I think what over almost could overlook is just a wicked talented he is as a, as a musician. I've seen him play a few times. And

Unknown Speaker 11:29 I'm amazed at how his, you know, his metal fans can treat him like shit for expanding his scope outside of drumming, because he only did live drums on one track for the satanic planet out, right. And here's some people crying about that. To me. It's just amazing. It's like, if you want to listen to Slayer again, nobody's stopping you. This isn't a slayer again. But

Unknown Speaker 11:52 there is plenty. Yeah. There's like, there's plenty of Slayer. And like, yeah, like metal fans. Like, like, like, sorry, gram, but like to complain, like to complain. You know what I mean? Nothing's ever good enough enough. You know what I mean? But I think all purists are like that. I think purists is just another like, term for I was disappointed

Unknown Speaker 12:17 in every scene has its purist like that it's a it's type of fundamentalist, you know? Exactly.

Unknown Speaker 12:24 I am in no way a purist.

Unknown Speaker 12:29 I work within these defined confines of a genre. How do you grow from that?

Unknown Speaker 12:36 Yeah, my favorite bands are the ones that put out albums that don't sound like anything like the what they put out before. Like, I love the progression in in especially metal because now with all the sub genres, you can mix so many different types of genres to make something cool and new and exciting. So yeah, I we're here to go ahead. Sorry.

Unknown Speaker 12:59 What do you listen to? In general?

Unknown Speaker 13:03 Me? Yeah. I'm really curious. I really love the Avant stuff of noise. You know, I really liked industrial. And by that, I mean the really kind of experimental things where you're listening to sounds and you don't know where they came from, you know, but they set a really interesting kind of environments with the, you know, the, the loop grooves they create, or whatever else making musicality out of chaos. I really like that kind of stuff. I go through different phases. When I'm listening to stuff I can listen to everything from from classical to industrial to more mainstream rock. I guess, if we're talking really going out about the only kind of country I've ever appreciated would be Johnny Cash or the senior. What's his face? Yeah, the senior Hank Williams. Hank Williams, Jr. I don't know that talent really skipped generation but third, it's done some some stuff that I guess, you know, that sounds worth hearing, but you know, I try to appreciate whatever I can, you know, like, I'm not one of those types who just because it's like a Hollywood blockbuster movie movie that I feel I'm obligated to hate it for because it's top 40 I'm obligated to hate it. But I have to say for the most part I hate those things

Unknown Speaker 14:42 you know, everybody's always we're

Unknown Speaker 14:44 Dude we're horror fans. We embrace the we embrace the low budget. We embrace the the non blockbusters all the time, like

Unknown Speaker 14:52 it's also big fans like the big

Unknown Speaker 14:55 booing and when it comes to stand up comedy. Sometimes there's nothing statistically I liked More than to see somebody absolutely die on stage. His jokes, videos or people just totally failing on stage. There's one where a guy gets up there and he just starts talking about how his girlfriend broke up with them. And he's taking it day by day. And there's nothing funny about what he's saying. Yet it's hilarious.

Unknown Speaker 15:24 Follow Me Around a joke.

Unknown Speaker 15:26 shitting on the entire party.

Unknown Speaker 15:30 Exactly, exactly. Although I think as comedians, we've all been there. So some of us more than others, like myself, but um, but it's a it's a, it's a, a good balm is, is good for the soul. You know what I mean? Like, it's sometimes you gotta, you gotta just, you gotta roll with it. You know what I mean? Like, you got to get off and be like, Okay, well, that was that. You know what I mean? They got that out of the way. Um, so on the Satanic Temple. If people are unfamiliar at this point, which, you know, I'm sorry, if you are, if any of our listeners are unfamiliar, and this is going to be like, probably the most standard question you'll get out of this entire interview, or discussion. What is what is what is Satanism? And what is it not?

Unknown Speaker 16:23 Well, I mean, there's a lot of people who claim the title of true Satanist. And as soon as the Satanic Temple was founded in 2013, you know, the Church of Satan founded in, in 1966, were claiming that we were imposters, of course, because they're the only true Satanists and they codified it. And, you know, they're, they're kind of a fake organization, that's just a Twitter feed at this point, pretending to be the old satanic or the old church of Satan from 1966. So it's kind of ironic, but you know, it's like saying that one sect of Christianity is true Christianity, you know, Bob, bothering to get into that argument at all shows some kind of attachment, I guess, to one or the other. And those kinds of claims to authenticity, generally don't mean to anybody outside the group. And I think it's kind of juvenile for somebody to say, there's no other way to look at this, especially in Satanism, when you have this long history of Christians insisting that the only true Satanism would be theistic, and would be a kind of veneration of cruelty and anti human behavior and, and whatever it is, that's considered Christian. They're against it type of thing. But we're non theistic, religious, religious group, which means we don't venerate a personal Satan. We don't believe in Satan as a supernatural deity. But Satan, kind of contextualize is our beliefs, the way we order ourselves in the world, our ethics, the kind of community that we rally to as an icon, and a set of iconography. And it says a lot about where we fall in the kind of foundational socio political myth, the idea that there is a ultimate higher power that everybody needs to worship and venerate. And we feel that's indicative of a whole kind of social order in which people live under a theocratic rule. And I think we're seeing a rise in theocratic efforts in the United States and in the world today, which kind of, I think, in a lot of people's minds, makes it more intuitive as to what the value of non theistic Satanism is, and where we fall on certain issues. And I think, you know, the rise of Donald Trump, and things like that the rise of the theocratic movement, the United States has really contributed to the growth of Satanism and the growth of the Satanic Temple today, because I do kind of think we would just be viewed as a is an obscure and bizarre kind of cultural movement that people might not pay as much attention to, if it weren't for the necessity of our kind of political activism now, which is what we're mostly known for, where, you know, politicians are trying to pander to evangelicals, mostly by opening up public forums to religious voices and add more. Add more privileges to religious claims and that kind of thing. And, you know, by constitutional law, if you offer certain benefits to one religion, they must be equally available to others. And that's where the Satanic Temple comes in. They We will say, Okay, if you're putting up your 10 commandments monument on public grounds, we're putting up our bathroom at Monument to satanic monument alongside of it. And of course, the politicians that moved for the 10 commandments monument to go up. They try to keep us out, which is unconstitutional. And we kind of highlight that diminished religious liberty in their efforts by asking for equal treatment at all. And so that's what's really put the Satanic Temple on the map and has forced people to consider the limits of religious liberty and to consider the meaning of Satanism in general now, you know, learning different things about what Satanism means to people who actually practice it, as opposed to what they learned in the 80s and 90s. During the hysteria of the Satanic Panic when everybody thought we were hiding backwards messages in music, engaging in infant sacrifice and using mobile crematorium switch disposed of all the evidence, you know, and had this new world order movement, the whole Q anon. Conspiracy narrative existed well before Q anon it just kind of took the Trumpism slant in recent times.

Unknown Speaker 21:17 Yeah, it's, and I think that um, and I'm glad you bring that up. Because really, a lot of people don't realize that you are not is basically an extension of the is like the new wag of the of the Satanic Panic that it's like it is really just like, every so often they reform these ideas and remarketed when it's when it gets exhausted, you know, as you know, when everybody's like, Okay, well, there aren't really preschools with like, flying preschool teachers like and underground caverns. That's not like a real thing. So how can we now change this up to make it to a you know, more power to

Unknown Speaker 21:53 the point where you have people in Dealey Plaza waiting further reemergence of JFK, Jr. After his death in 1999. To come take the reins of, of the the Empire of the United States and hand it back to Donald Trump. It can't say it's any less crazy.

Unknown Speaker 22:15 Oh, I don't think it's any less crazy. I think it's I just think it's it's repackaged crazy, you know, like, I think that it's like as a as a it's just like, Okay, well, that sounds the preschool sounds crazy to us now. But now we're going to do the now we're going to now we're going to be like, like, yeah, like, there's a magical JFK Gee, I don't know. Like, it's like,

Unknown Speaker 22:42 a lot of people don't want to face the fact that the original Satanic Panic if you want to call it original, and not just an extension of older witch ons to, but the Satanic Panic of the 80s. And 90s actually had a strong left wing component to it. And there were a lot of people who identified as as feminists at the time, who had a different conception of feminism than you recognize feminism today. They were very, they were very anti sex work. They were very anti porn. And they wanted people to realize that women had been abused children had been abused, and people weren't acknowledging that that's a noble cause. And it turned into that type of thing where any claim of such needed to be accepted at face value. Because the idea was that these claims were often not false, which was probably true. And they were often ignored, which was also probably true. But as soon as the conspiracy theorists realize that any claim can be made and taken at face value, so long as you attach this claim of abuse upon it, they take advantage of that. And that's why you see q&a Now jumping on to believe the children and saying that we're just trying to protect children, child trafficking and stuff like that. That is an old tactic of the 80s and 90s Satanic Panic, in those in the old school of the 80s and 90s, Satanic Panic, a lot of them are still around and they've still been promoting these ideas. And they're appalled by the, the Trumpism the political persuasion now of, of the resurgent Satanic Panic latching on to Q anon. So I think, you know, we need to be vigilant, no matter what side of the political spectrum we're on and be sure that we're actually looking at the best available evidence or we'll see this stuff happen again and again, moving back and forth on the on the political spectrum to either extreme side, and, and right now, it just happens to be the far right Trumpers Yeah, work with grim

Unknown Speaker 24:56 Oh, no, I was just gonna say it's the kind of going back to that activism, that's what sort of got me into the Satanic Temple was, for a long time, you know, I was drawn to Satanism and, and Satan just as sort of aesthetically, like I would carve pentagrams into desks in high school and stuff. Like, it always felt more comfortable. I've always been very anti religious, but it also when I sort of started learning about the Church of Satan, I realized I shared a lot of ideals, but also it, they seem mean spirited. And so I just sort of considered myself an atheist,

Unknown Speaker 25:35 then you feel perfect. pentagrams and children's for

Unknown Speaker 25:40 exactly, no. And then I saw Hail Satan, the documentary and and what drew me to the Satanic Temple was the activism and the actual, like, boots to the ground, like doing something positive, it just felt super natural, not super, but you know, very natural. And it was like, we became members, me and my wife. And I surprised her with her membership, actually. And she was thrilled. So yeah, it's the activism.

Unknown Speaker 26:14 Right? Yeah, my thinking is, why would you join an organization if it doesn't serve some kind of organized purpose if we weren't weaponizing? To do something good? If we weren't organizing to advance our rights in the world? Why? Why would we want anybody to even identify with us and perhaps just make themselves a pariah in the community. And at that point, you're just going to attract people who are using it theatrically like that just to piss off, parents, scare their neighbors, that kind of thing. And I think that's the kind of market you would find within the Church of Satan, despite whatever efforts they were putting forward, just because if you're not doing anything, what else is it good for, and they they famously attach themselves to a do nothing philosophy, they argue all the time that politics has no place in religion and vice versa. And to the point that, you know, on the face of it, you agree as a secularist, but at the point where, you know, you have initiatives in place that limit your religious freedom, because somebody else's Religious freedom is viewed to be somehow more powerful than yours, you know, when you see Christianity becoming the super category, to the point where it has this unique ability to engage in speech, in free speech in a public forum, or it has unique ability to impose reproductive rights restrictions and other such things. There comes a time where you have to say that, you know, in order for me as an individual, to, you know, respect by religion, or be able to practice or feel comfortable, you know, in this society, you know, you need to take a stand, you need to take a stand for secularism, you need to take a stand for it, that separation of church and state, not just simply say, Oh, well, because we're a religious organization. We're leading by example, by not doing anything about did I cut out or something?

Unknown Speaker 28:24 Yeah, you're going on your back. Now? You're back now, you got muted for a second. Oh, sorry. I

Unknown Speaker 28:28 just went on this. I just went on the floor and re

Unknown Speaker 28:35 laid things out in on right now, I guess we're just gonna have to imagine

Unknown Speaker 28:46 we have lazy. What we heard was, you brought up the, the separation of church and state, which, you know, I guess, like you said, the, the church of st was like, Well, no, religion and politics have nothing to do with each other, but they 100% do like there's elected officials screaming about how America is a Christian nation, and it's printed on our money and all this stuff. So it's 100% now intertwined.

Unknown Speaker 29:21 So as somebody who like grew up like, like, in punk rock movement, and you know, I gotta say, like, like, hats off to you. There's been a lot of talk about how do we battle Christian supremacy in this country from a lot of different angles from like, early metal for some reason, not so much newer metal. And you know, like, I think that like what I appreciate with the Satanic Temple and your vision is is the you've taken like what was what I viewed as like bad about Satanism, like I've always like appreciated Satan. I've always like, you know, like, loved you know, I've always put 666 on stuff and I've carved my share pentagrams and stuff and every every password and name I use and my knit my AOL name was demon Ryan six, xx, um, you know, and I've always used it, but when I actually like was around like kind of like, you know, we I won't name one because it's just not worth it but there's a there's a big Satan, Church of Satan guy in Portland and, and like and I appreciate some of the stuff but he's also like kind of a big fan of like Nazis and and and you know like he's questionable feelings about like pedophilia and things like you know what I mean like and so like then you go okay well there's evil and then there's like fucking like evil evil you know what I mean? So I appreciate that I feel like the Satanic Temple has has has, you know, separated themselves from like that sort of like predatory sort of like oppressiveness because like, in and of itself like there's supporting evil and then they're supporting like the the evil that will Yeah, does that make sense?

Unknown Speaker 31:08 Well, if you want to get really into the history of modern Satanism, the brilliance of Anton LeVey was supposed to be that he took these terrible ideas and removed the bad elements from them the counterproductive, really regressive elements and just took the good, and in tried to turn it into a positive philosophy of self empowerment and improvements. And he did that by taking this social Darwinist text might is right from the 1800s, late 1800s. And it was this racialist, social Darwinist manifesto that said all these horrific things. And he took out these elements that were anti religious and pro individualistic and took kind of like this core social Darwinist philosophy in removed the racialism and things like that. And in his mind, he distilled it into the useful aspects of it, which were that you know, you have to treat the world as this kind of cutthroat Tooth and Claw environment, where the strong, overcome the weak and you need to be, you need to be among the strong and powerful for your own good, and realize that people's motivations are selfish in that type of thing. And, you know, earlier on in my life, I agreed with that, that matched with what I had seen about the world. And later on, I came to disagree with that is well, and, you know, so Levey kind of took from what looks to be this racist, extreme right book, and in a lot of people's minds, liberalized it, there's a lot of people in the church of Satan still, who have a very liberal take on politics, but they still believe that the world is kind of, you know, the social environment is this cutthroat, brutal world, we're all truism doesn't exist. And that everybody, even if they're acting altruistically, are acting upon their own selfish desires for recognition and that kind of thing. And they feel that this helps them manage the brutality of the world around that. I'm talking about the liberal elements of the Church of Satan. But also, of course, the fact that there's those roots of that philosophy coming from a book like fight is right, does also still draw a lot of people who would have sympathies towards extreme right wing stuff, too. And in fact, it just, it can just, it can just attract people who like to be shocking. And like to look at the extremes one way or the other. So you do have elements of that too. And it's, it's but it's a very complicated world to navigate modern Satanism, and then we come along, and we say, No, we think altruism and compassion do exist, and the research regarding evolution, and reciprocal altruism and things like that show that we really have developed cooperative tendencies. And that's what's really helped us to thrive and evolve further, and we are very much social animals. And that doesn't take anything away from our Satanism being a left hand path religion, which is about improving oneself as an isolated intelligence, not about yielding to this idea of a uniform one for wholeness, or whatever else. But you can still be a community you can still work collectively together to preserve individual rights and the ability of individuals to engage with the world on their own terms. And that's what we do. So we don't feel like we're taking away from Satanism in any way. In fact, if you look more at early Satanism and the romantic satanic movements in literature, Byron Shelley, and political activist from that kind of literary movements, you'll see that there were a lot of socialistic tendencies in the idea of Satanism, Satan as a liberate or against a kind of tyrannical dictator, as kind of a motivating icon against an oppressive kind of social framework. So I feel like we're kind of more of a continuation of those earlier concepts of Satanism. And it's really I feel, the LaVeyan pro police states, kind of pro autocracy, philosophies that are really kind of an aberration in that in that modern satanic thread.

Unknown Speaker 36:01 We actually had Sandor Levey on the show. And she's a friend and she had nothing but good things to say about you guys and us specifically. She absolutely adores you. But she was recently she was recently back in Salem, doing a performance for one of our events. Yeah, she did it for the Halloween weekend, right? Yeah, yeah. In she came out of LaVeyan Satanism and there's a lot of people come out of LaVeyan Satanism and do not see the Satanic Temple as being so bizarre from what they from what they believe. Because the overriding, I think the overriding principle is being able to adjust yourself to the best available evidence. It's not hanging on, like a fundamentalist to a social Darwinist philosophy when it isn't shown to work. And I think it's, it's kind of ironic that I feel like that was the overriding principle, in the vase philosophy and now, Levey has a bunch of people who hang on to, you know, the words he said, like fundamentalists and are unable to revise their thinking in the face of reality and new evidence. And I think that, that does more to dishonor him than anything else. There was, you know, there are people who knew of a who I've talked to Adam power free, who used to run feral House books, cc since deceased, and other people who, who knew him interviewed him or whatever. And some of them seem to feel that he would like what we were doing. And I know, other people in the Satanic Temple might be uncomfortable with that idea of viewing him as a, as a right wing character who latched on to an Rand, but it's not about the politics, it's about how you come to your politics. And I tell you, you know, people need to be a bit more flexible about allowing people to revise their beliefs in the face of evidence and allowing them into the fold. Because I feel like the polarization we're experiencing right now demands that people stay on one side and never be invited to the other and that doesn't help anybody at all 100%

Unknown Speaker 38:29 And, and honestly, like, when you talk to Zara she, like, she's has the same message, you know, she does a ton of activism work and a ton of like, you know, what I mean? So, I think that I think in the, I think in the basic is what I like about the tenets of Satanism is like, you lay it down, and I think some basic rules are really good for a lot of things. Because, like, sometimes like when, like, you know, like, if you look at like, you know, like, like Protestantism, like Okay, so there isn't a head church and some people like that, but like evangelical Christian, which is a Protestant thing is has run rampant with wood because there isn't like a basic like idea and, and then it gives it an opportunity gives all these things an opportunity to be like, I'm a I'm a racist, or an I'm a Nazi, and then I'll find something that I can manipulate into my my thing and that's, that's gets a little, you know, you know, it's uh, putting ideas out there is dangerous, you know, what I mean? Because people is it so when you do something, like, when you have the tenets of Satanism, which, which just, you know, which speaks to compassion and speaks to empathy and speaks to things like that, like, you know, it's hard to it's hard to, you know, it would be hard for for like the majority of like, the black metal scene who have claimed to be social Darwinist for a long time to to attach to that because they were like, oh, yeah, we're we think we think that like being an oppressor is our right as a you know, and so, I very much appreciate that, but and then it makes somebody like myself who, during the Satanic Panic, wanted everybody to think I was a Satanist. You know, I mean, but later on, I just didn't want anybody to think I was a Nazi. You know what I mean? So, it's, uh, you know, because I know, like, the Nazis are like what we're like, like, like Satan left, you know, not that I believe in like Satan. But if you listen to the story like he left the tyrannical gods, you know what I mean? So it's weird to then flip that around and find solace in a tyrannical God. But

Unknown Speaker 40:25 well, it the way it the way they've come to upholding or lionizing autocratic ideals in the, in the Church of Satan is through this idea of individualism taken in a totally different way than we take it in. In the Satanic Temple and the Satanic Temple. We advocate for everybody treating everybody, as individuals, respecting everybody as individuals, the Church of Satan really focuses on this idea of stratification and that some people are lesser than others, and they've always tried to be racialized that and, and take take away any kind of, you know, ethnic components to that, or cultural or whatever, focusing in on the intelligent versus the stupid and more the Randy and fashion. And of course, there's a real problem of definition there, because you never get a quite a clear demarcation of who's worthy and who's not. But they do kind of, then order the world into this into this environment in which certain people are worthy of ruling over others. And it doesn't take long before you get to that point where one person, you know, has that superiority, and by natural processes will prevail. So that so to the point where you could see, you know, people in the church of Satan lining up behind Trump on the idea that the fact that he made it there at all, is evidence that he deserves to be there, you know, that kind of backward philosophy about, you know, power justifies itself. And if you're there, you deserve to be there. And if you're not, you deserve what's coming to you. And there was a lot of cognitive dissonance, I thought when I was, you know, meeting people in the church of Satan and things like that, where it was, like, you know, there isn't an embarrassment or shame within the Satanic Temple, if you're working a low wage job, we realize, you know, people come to wherever they're at, from different places, and different people have different advantages, economically, or geographically or whatever. And, you know, you never know, you know, who's working behind the counter at Dunkin Donuts, or whatever else could be a very, very well articulated person with a lot of thoughts, and just hasn't had the advantages of higher education or whatever to get to a different rung in the in their career, things like that. The Church of Satan, I felt like there was a lot of embarrassment amongst many people there, who really did work, low wage jobs, you know, work retail jobs, public service, jobs, or whatever. And they seem to be pretending they are something they weren't that they were part of some economic elites, or whatever. And he saw a lot of a lot of posing and pretending you know, that they were in this upper strata, just merely by by having the ability to see outside the boundaries of Christian society, and, and they were part of this alien elites that were good enough to identify as Satanists. And that was enough, you know, and I just feel like there was a lot of cognitive dissonance that really didn't look at the reality of where they were, and that there concept of elitism wasn't bringing them any closer to being within this upper strata that

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Unknown Speaker 44:47 they were imagining

Unknown Speaker 44:51 they did have Sammy Davis Jr. I'll give him that. Everyday was Jr. was amazing. But um I'm glad you found Satanism it's one of my favorite facts.

Unknown Speaker 45:03 Right? Whatever criticisms I might have about the Church of Satan, it does piss me off when biographies of Sammy Davis Jr. to chain Mansfield, or any of them tried to diminish that by saying, like, I was just a joke, it was just a one time thing or whatever. It's like, oh, fuck you, you know, if you're not like you have this person's whole life, you're going to bury that kind of thing. They bury people's atheism to you know, in biographies or whatever. And I think that's a disservice to everybody.

Unknown Speaker 45:33 For sure. Yeah. I mean, I mean, but like, it's one of my favorite Halloween facts for people is that, uh, you know, like Dave Mustaine is a Christian and Sammy Davis, Jr. was a devil worshiper. So, um, but it's just one of those things that I think people need to know. Um, so, did you grow up into horror movies or did did the Satan did the attraction of Satan.

Unknown Speaker 46:00 I definitely did grow up in horror, into horror movies. I grew up in Detroit, and there was see it was Creature Feature would come on every Sunday. And they would play. I keep forgetting what the Led Zeppelin song was, but they would play like the interlude part of that song. So we're like horror music. And it's the part where, you know, the guitars are kind of going wild and, and he's going, Ah, there's all that reverb in every show different images of like Universal Monsters, and there'd be trails as a still image of them moved across the screen. And they would sometimes play like, you know, credible movies, from like the 30s and 40s. They'd play like the universal horror films, Bela Lugosi and stuff like that. And they would also play, you know, just really low budget stuff that was available to them, I guess, because it was public domain. And it you know, even as a little kid, I enjoyed laughing at really unconvincing, low budget or films, just for the fact that they were very ineptly done in sometimes really poorly dubbed Japanese films that would show some of the same stock footage over and over again, you know, like the same same fighter jets launching to fight the giant monster again and again. And it became like a game trying to point that out. There it is, again, you know. And I've never grown tired of that. And it wasn't until, and I felt like that was more kind of a personal fetish of mine until like Mystery Science Theater, came out, and made a whole show of just, you know, cracking jokes along with shitty films. And then, when the Coronavirus pandemic started, we started looking for ways within the Satanic Temple to keep people in communication to build like an online platform. And we, we did put together the satanic estate, where now we have conferences and different in services and things like that. But it's on our streaming platform TST TV, where I do live movie nights that are streaming every Wednesday evening, and I do triple feature crappy films. And there's just a sidebar Chat, where everybody cracks wise about it. We all kind of get stoned or drunk or stay sober, and just involve ourselves and giving commentary on these on these films. And it occurred to me that, you know, in that kind of environment, where it's more about the chatting than it is the watching the film, the worse the film, the better it is. Absolutely. It's really held true throughout the couple years now of streaming these films, and everybody thought after like a number of months that we would have to run out. But no, we're finding new classic terrible films all the time. If I was trying to play good films, they would have ran out after a couple of like trying to find terrible films that are worthy of being laughed at. You know, in some films just kind of aged into that too, you know, now that aren't quite ready for movie night, but they won't be once they're dated.

Unknown Speaker 49:37 What are some of the movies you you've streamed?

Unknown Speaker 49:41 Well, on Thanksgiving here are the Wednesday here just before Thanksgiving. I had three films lined up and I was going to do thanks killing which is kind of a little standard issue. I thanks for Thanksgiving, but I had Miss named the file so we ended up watching a Spanish Dracula film with a With a little Cyclops child in it, which was called the Dracula saga, where Dracula is just kind of this grandparent concerned about his daughter marrying this guy and all this stuff. It's it's a bizarre film. You know, they were trying it could funny either by doing track to his family or whatever, those are always the best time you know. Thanks, Joe. Thanks killing see almost doesn't fit the mold because it knew it was over the top during Super self aware. That annoys me, you know, I like the more be shitty films that were trying trying to do it right. And you watch Blood Rage, which is a Thanksgiving film, because the murder all goes down after you know, Thanksgiving dinner or whatever. And there's these twin children and they will Yes, yeah, it's their mom getting porked in a drive in theater or whatever. murdering spree, but he blames his twin. So then when he gets out of prison it or gets out of his out of the mental home where he was put into as a child when he was framed for the murder by his brother. It becomes this big question, of course, who's who and at what point poses, but it had these great scenes in there like this guy gets his beer chopped off by a machete. You know, he's holding a beer and, and the antagonist chops his hand right off, and his hands just kind of wriggling around the beer laying on the floor and just for the top murder scenes like that, that weren't convincingly done, which made it all the all the more hilarious, but the better the best. I think the the Thanksgiving film you need to watch every year on Thanksgiving is his blood freak, which, if I understand correctly, was commissioned by some Christian group, in directed by this dedicated nudist, by the name of grant, Brad Grinter, who made a short film 10 minutes about his nudism, and, you know, took a very kind of silly academic approach to nudism, and in understanding and accepting nudism. But blood freak is about this guy who gets hooked on marijuana. He meets up with these hippies, and he's a Vietnam veteran, but this is back in the 70s. So he's a young man. And he then starts eating this turkey at his job. He has been used as a guinea pig to eat these experimental turkeys who are on this, we're on this new hormone therapy or something like that, which drives him to become he's he, at some point passes out after eating a turkey result on the farm, he passes out and started starts convulsing. And he becomes this turkey headed monster who needs to drink the blood of drug addicts to get his fix. So he's wandering around murdering these drug addicts and drinking their blood. And this is presented by a narrator as a plausible story of something that could happen in the world today. You know, given given the drugs given, you know, given the drug addicts and experimental medications and things like that, it's just, it's kind of the perfect movie, there's like a scene I think it goes, it seems like it goes about eight minutes, where the guy gets his leg sawed off, and he holds his leg, and he's screaming, but every screaming, this is just a loop, single scream, you know, they really, they really cut the budget on the audio too. And they really test your endurance with it. So this is like a kind of perfect movie to watch with other people. It's just masochistic to watch on your own. And sometimes these films are like that. They're terrible to watch on your own. But when you're watching it with other people, you can laugh, because, you know, like this eight minute scene of a guy just holding his stump and screaming is coming up.

Unknown Speaker 54:00 It sounds amazing. It sounds like it'll be my favorite movie.

Unknown Speaker 54:06 Yeah, all the other favorites of ours include, like, Ben and Arthur, which I think is available on on YouTube even. And it's just this really overly dramatic gay film. Where, you know, they try to the director is also the star of the film, and those are usually the best to, you know, when you actor is also the writer, the producer, the person who financed it, and they're plugging themselves into their dream role, you know? And to that end, you'd have to love Neil Breen films. You do guys know about Neil Breen know, let me slide in Nevada. He's out of Vegas, and in fact, he's working on a new film, and I tried to get him to allow satanic planet to do the soundtrack for The fool has not responded. More budget films where he can see himself is Action Hero. And you know, he's not your traditional action hero, I can't say we look at him and say this man would be an action star. And he really manages to attract the ladies at least in the scripts, you know. And you just have to see him to believe them. They're there. There are some of the best, best, worst low budget films being made today. And, you know, I can watch them and say, Man, who is this for watch this stuff, but I have to realize that it's me. I'm watching this stuff all the time.

Unknown Speaker 55:36 He's got a bunch of them. I'm looking at it right here. He's got a he's got to with, with Google entries, fateful findings and twisted pair, and yeah, he doesn't look like, yeah, it's like, you know, like, you got to give credit to people for just going for it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just gonna do this. And this fateful findings as an independent film came out in 2012. And what's great about the his entry on Wikipedia is under the filmography thing has director, writer, producer, actor, editor, musical director, and then roll. And like, it's supposed to be like a checkmark, but it just says yes to all of them. He does every single thing. Movie. And like, it's a it's it's, it's outstanding. Thank you,

Unknown Speaker 56:32 thank you for bringing that to us. So financed and put himself in an action role. Vander heart I think was his name. There's this movie called Get even aka Rhoda revenge. And, you know, he does all his own stunts all his own kung fu. And if you watch it, you'll totally believe it. And, you know, it's another one of those films where there's these extended lovemaking scenes also in each cell for an actress, and yet, you know, there's one of my favorite films in there are one of my favorite scenes in there was he did his lovemaking scene with the lady. And he's in a hot tub with her, her bear, her bear jugs are out. And his eyes are just locked on them. And he's not going to look away. And you can you can see, in this scene that he decided to use for the film, he's trying to burn the memory of this into his you know, and this might never happen again. He might never have a set of boobs in front of him, like, he wants to get everything out of it he possibly can. Including putting full minutes of it into his film. Along with his SoundTracking of it, he's also singing a duet with the actress I think, while this whole scene is carrying on, and they play the whole song show, you know, several minutes of this footage. And, you know, this is offset by all the action to where he shows off his Kung Fu skills. You guys really have to see this film. Yeah, it sounds amazing. Films. This is where it's at.

Unknown Speaker 58:14 I look at it. i Well, I'm looking at some gifts of it or like some like I like some, like, some trailers of it. Like it is really, it's really incredible. It's really shameless, would be the word that I'm using. Um, it's like, he's like, he's like, I'm not afraid. I'm just gonna do this. This is really, um, you've you brought some excellent, excellent movies.

Unknown Speaker 58:38 So I have I have a recommendation. Actually, it sounds like it might be right up your alley evolution. Have you heard of burial grounds? From 1981?

Unknown Speaker 58:48 Yes, yes, I have. I don't think I played it at Movie Night, though. I used to have like a special DVD edition of that one.

Unknown Speaker 58:55 Oh, it's that's one of my favorites with the 12 year old boy who tries to have sex with his mom for no reason. And it's, it's never explained or anything. But he also looks like he's like 50 years old to excuse me. 12. And apparently, he was a 25 year old little person that they had hired to bypass Italian child labor laws. But that's one of my favorites, because it's a zombie movie where the zombies get smarter, but not faster. So they're just getting like bigger tools and better tools, but still just kind of using them the same way. It's pretty great. Yeah, that's cool that you've heard of that? Actually. Not a lot of people. Bring that up.

Unknown Speaker 59:42 It's it's funny that you brought up the Dracula movie that you accidentally streamed because I subscribe to a thing called Aura pack and they send me movies every month on like blu ray and stuff like that. And the one that they said one of the ones that they sent me this month. I just got it like two days. to go, I'm actually super jazzed that I got it because it's a piece of shit movie in the best way. It's Dario Argento is Dracula. It's from 2012. Have you ever seen the Dario Argento version of Dracula illusion? No, I don't even think I had heard of it. I saw the remake of Suspiria. But I had no idea that our gento made Dracula film in 2012. It's crazy. I'd love some of our juntos stuff, though. Right? You know, we I was flipping through the channels one day, and just on daytime TV, there was an Argento film and I was wondering do they do this all the time over here? I don't know. I think he I think Argento stuff in Italy shows up kind of like Skinemax shows on for like us where it's just like, if you pop the TV on from like, 11pm to like four in the morning. They probably just throw our gentle movies on there on Titan TV just like Yep, go ahead and just watch this. Because like his when his movies are good, they're great. But when they're bad, they're amazing. Like it's one of the things like this dragon thing with full G two I forget the name of the Fujifilm that was a that was like a Dungeons and Dragons type thing. You have to look that up. But it was it was so over the top, you know, like, it didn't work in the same way that Gore films do. Because you know, it was sword and sorcery. And you expect that to be a little tamer even though there's swordplay and stuff like that. Not with him. I mean, he just took it so ridiculously over the top that it was just like that it was hilarious.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:42 Was it conquest?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:44 Yeah, yeah, it was. That's funny, because full cheese movies. Full cheese movies are also kind of that, like, exactly, I said it the same way. Because when they're bad, it's like, I did a watch party with a bunch of friends a bunch of horror friends too. And we watched demons, his movie demons. And like it when he does stuff that's over the top. And like you can tell the budget is low. And you can tell that the practical effects are, you know, they're I'm not gonna say they're phoned in. But you can tell they're done on a shoestring budget and stuff like that. It jumps it up to that upper echelon of just really fun, bad movies. And folchi is one of the he's one of the masters of that. Because, like again, when his are great, they're great, but man when they're bad, like I can't stop watching them. And that's what happened with this dragon one because it's Dracula 3d. Like it's called Dracula 3d. And first off, you don't need to watch it in 3d in any way shape, or form I've done that I highly do not recommend. It's one of those ones. That's like the 3d Oh, no. No, it possibly the worst Dracula film though is the one with Coolio and have to look that one up. It takes place in space. It's it's like it's just drag you in outer space on a spaceship. Coolio is somewhere in the cast. And I actually considered playing this film for movie night. During October, I was playing all Halloween films. And there was one time I was playing all Dracula films or whatever. This year, I decided that that film was possibly too shitty for movie night. If you take it, when you get a shitty film, you still want it to be paced, you know, in a way that it just doesn't bore the piss out of you, you know, sure, certain types of bat. And like Edward, you know, he's he's the kind of the classic, terrible film but you notice his films are paced really well, or, you know, they hold your interest and even when you're laughing at them, you're continually laughing at them. You're not You're not reaching to turn it off, you know, and that's what I think sets Neil Greene's films apart to I'm never watching Neil Breen's films listening to this terrible dialogue, seeing this nonsensical plot come together in these ridiculous ideas. him trying to cohere them, I'm never not entertained. You know, entertainment is what it's all about. Just don't feel like maybe this. This Dracula in space film filled that requirement of being entertaining, but sometimes you play it with other people and different things affect them in different ways. And like I said, I'm somebody who can laugh and neat minute scene of a guy holding his bloody stump, just because it's it becomes almost avant, you know, when are they and in there's a scene in in Neil Breen's film double down, where he starts running apeshit he just starts running towards the horizon. And I'm not sure what the point of it is, but he starts doing that. And I was watching this the first time and I was stoned, and I was thinking like, okay, he's still running. And then I was saying to the person, I was watching it with eyes, like, I think we're gonna see him make it all the way to the horizon here. bronington as it goes on, it just got funnier and funnier than he was doing. Practically had tears in my eyes. And he did it again, in another movie of his, where the SoundTracking was going. And he was, he had like a drone or a high vantage point. And he's panning, he's panning over this lovely scenery. And of course, he just doesn't want to let this lovely scenery go because he's, you know, he's, he's trying to be a filmmaker, it's not quite working out. So we pans all the way in one direction, the music comes to a stop in the cameras stops, then the camera starts moving the next direction back back, the way it came in, the soundtrack just starts up again. I guess you have to have the kind of sense of humor where once the SoundTracking starts up again, it starts panning the other direction again, that has to striking was funny for him. Yeah. But it strikes me it's absolutely hilarious. And it's an openness.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:08 It is. Um, so are there any movies actually? Do you bet that you think got Satanism, right?

Unknown Speaker 1:06:17 I think the documentary Hail Satan directed by probably the best bottom representation of Satanism that I have ever seen. And those guys, they have their shit together. They really? Yeah, that's a that's a

Unknown Speaker 1:06:35 really great answer. All right, well, alright, so are there any movies that got the physical? Your your vision of Satan? physically correct?

Unknown Speaker 1:06:43 No, because I like the idea of Satan as being this kind of malleable character to the moment, it's kind of in line with our philosophy regarding ritual as well, where there's like these general parameters about the character, but given the occasion, you know, it calls for something different. And that is in line also with our kind of anti autocratic philosophy, our pro creativity, not procreation, it tivity but we're very much in favor of, of creativity and the arts. And, you know, that hasn't always been a given with religions, and especially the Abrahamic religions have often had an acrimonious relationship to art and artists, you know, where's our headquarters houses, and our art gallery. And while some people think that, that might be arbitrary, it really isn't, you know, in order for things to be artistic, you need a certain amount of creative latitude. And, and we really allow that within the Satanic Temple. But I think there's some films that I think we probably all like that if we're honest about it, really wreak havoc upon our culture when it came to things like the Satanic Panic. And when I think of the devastation wrought by films like Rosemary's Baby, or The Exorcist, you know, I almost hate to say it, because I watched those films as a kid, and I found them convincing, and I, I appreciate them as horror films, I really, I really understand their place in the horror canon, you know, and you can't take that away from them. Just the same. People took these fictional narratives way too seriously. And I watched something like The Exorcist now. And it really looks like Catholic propaganda, you know, and I look at things like Rosemary's Baby, and I like that film, as as a younger person. And now all I can see is this is this kind of witch hunt narrative where they're maligning a fictional group of people, you know, fictional to them, Satanists, you know, but it never stays confined to a fictional group of Satanists does it? You know, like, yeah, Q anon is benign, because they're talking about Satanists who aren't there. They begin looking for their Satanists and people who aren't practicing what they say they are. And you know, that you have them also looking to people like us who openly identify as satanist and insisting that somewhere in the background, these things are taking place. And to this day, I don't know the answer to that, you know, I think it goes too far to tell people they can't write fictional narratives that depict villains in this way, right? But just the same, you have to acknowledge the damage this kind of thing does in the minds of the minds of the ignorance,

Unknown Speaker 1:09:41 then it's actually something I thought about a lot when I launched Sabrina the Teenage Witch series, because you know, they all worship Satan and everything, like the real deity and everything but and they're all about evil, like Satan is evil, but then Like, right, they're all super progressive. They're all like, very inclusive and everything. And so it was a little, it was a little confusing there. But I also I feel the same way about that you do about like the exorcist and stuff about like The Conjuring today where they basically took the church and made them superheroes.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:21 By the weird about the new conjuring movie was they wanted their promotional team wanted me to help promote it. Really. I mean, what I thought at first, I was pissed off I, when I saw the film, I was like, this is totally a Satanic Panic narrative stuff. And this is obviously the type of thing I'm going to push back at coming out today, especially when it's not what I considered a good film. So I thought, you know, for a moment, I thought, Who the fuck did this person think they were reaching out to me about this? Thinking like, you know, if I had been a marketer in the same position, I probably would have tried pulling the same bullshit.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:01 It's a terrible case to for them to be promoted. And because like somebody like clearly tried to, like, as a, like, in the real life case, like the guy tried to argue that he was possessed by the devil for something that he clearly wasn't possessed by the devil, and he just killed somebody and he just wanted to try to, like, make it like that. And, and like, there's like, like, we all know, the Warrens were, were full of shit. And like I can, I can deal with the fake Warrens, the fictional Warren's sort of like, whatever and like, and like it is what it is, but like, when you start getting into like, real case was the head like real actual, like, human tragedy surrounded by it? And like those things like that, then I start to go like, I don't know, you know what I mean? Like, it's one thing to go into the haunted house and the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but it's another thing when like, somebody like murdered somebody, and then and then try to, like, utilize like supernatural bullshit to like, okay, they're, you know, right. This was

Unknown Speaker 1:11:59 gonna say, at the point where you're trying to exonerate somebody for murder, and the devil made him do it claim. Something's wrong. Right.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:09 Exactly. Like I mean, like, I mean, maybe you should have prayed harder. I don't know what to tell you. But like, you got to go to jail now. Like, I don't know what to say. I do want to bring up that. How do you feel about the episode of evil where there's like a fake representation of you? What do you think about

Unknown Speaker 1:12:35 Oh, shit? Well, I'm glad you asked. What? Wait. You said that represents what?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:44 I think they're trying to make it like a fake version of you in that?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:49 Yeah, no. Oh, okay. I thought for a moment you bypass representation of me for something else. That was funny. I thought maybe you didn't know that they made a fictionalized me.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:02 No, I know. It's like I and I kind of liked the show up until then, because it had cool imagery. And yes, it's a bit of Catholic propaganda and all that too, as well as all of it, but I can sort of put that aside for horror sake, a lot of times, like but But ultimately, then all of a sudden, like a fake you was in it. And I was like, no, they they they did You're wrong. I'm sorry.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:25 They did do me wrong in in ways that were kind of comical, because they turned it into this thing where I'm just Well, for one thing, they made me so that I'm claiming to be a theistic Satanists. So in the background, you know, I'm actually not theistic I don't believe in this stuff. And it's all a ruse, when of course in reality, like upfront about everything, we're atheistic, where we're non theistic, but we believe that we have all the components that a religion needs to be a religion, I, I truly believe all of that we have our ethics and everything else. There's no buy in to becoming a member of the Satanic Temple. There's no tithing, there's no dues. So it's difficult to say that we're running some kind of financial scam but in this show, you know, they had it so that we're doing all of this for t shirt sales, which made no sense to me at all, because no fucking T shirts anyway. Shirts before we were IRS tax exempt, and in fact, we weren't going to seek IRS tax exemption until it became obvious that that was being held against us in the court says being inauthentic as a religion and not recognized you know, so it really came to a point where getting the tax exemption seem necessary and plus we we do fulfill all those requirements in the show they had them determine that we don't because of the financial component of it, that we're we're making money off Have these T shirts and it's in. In that show, it's all going to the character who's supposed to be me. And so I knew that there was a show that made a fictional depiction of me. So I decided I would throw in the episode on a streaming movie night and we all watch it together because this regular audience of people, and I hadn't watched it before because I was worried. I wouldn't have a real sense of humor about it because I get a lot of shit on the internet. I have a lot of conspiracy theorists making claims about me one way or the other either that you know, I can be anything from George Soros is communist lackey to a crypto fascist Nazi trying to infiltrate the liberal set of the of the cultural war kind of thing. So it comes from all over the place, and I'm really losing my sense of humor about it as time goes on. No, I've tried to be thick skinned and everything and then seeing knowing that there's a fictional depiction of me, who's doing it all for the money when literally, I could have done anything else with my life earlier on, and been more financially stable and secure, and made more money. You know, it becomes a little hard to handle. But watching it with my movie night crowd I thought alright, maybe this will be funny. And we get to the point where fictional me apropos of nothing, I never watched the show before. This is the only episode I saw. So I don't don't know how this fit in with the broader narrative. But he just all of a sudden, out of the blue is called upon by the show's main protagonist, I take it, you know, at least one of them. And she decides to fuck them. So Effexor. I, we have watched a lot of depraved weird things on Movie Night. And yet, I have never felt more uncomfortable as I have sitting there with Buddy watching this fictional version of me fucking the protagonist of the show out of the blue.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:02 And then then she does you dirty. And then she does you dirty too. She does utilize about it when you bring it up. Yeah, I don't know,

Unknown Speaker 1:17:15 I assume they're gonna bring me back at some point, in effect. From anything in my real life, but I thought like, are they gonna make it? So she's pregnant? What are they gonna do with this? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:17:29 yeah, it's, uh, you should, you should contact the actor, you know, see how that goes? Um, but yeah, I just was like, it was, it's funny, because the show is actually like, can be pretty good and have like, amazing, like, imagery and stuff like that. And so they got to that it was just like, so ham handed. And so like, poorly done on something that's like, you know, essentially got that subject. And I don't know, I thought it was, I thought it was very disappointing. And, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:17:59 they just, you know, apparently lives in like a Catholic reality, because like exorcisms are real, there's, there's demons around and stuff like that. Right? It looks like a very, very, very Catholic universe that they're in. And, you know, they're the only way they could, I don't know, I mean, that there was no way they were going to, there was no way they were going to treat us appropriately in that kind of environment. But I kind of, you know, I ended up seeing it a second time. And it made me wonder if they were implying that something, I assume they have to get back to it, because they showed the guy who was supposed to be my business partner in this. He's giving this, this service, right. And at some point, they listen to a recording of it, and somebody says, Now that sounds like a true believer, you know, indicating that there was something more going on, and that but they didn't come back to it. So I was wondering if like, they're going to get back to this at some point. And the idea will be that, even though we're disingenuous in what we say, we're playing with these powers that we don't understand and actually bringing evil into the world. And I think that's a very plausible narrative for them to go towards. Because we if we do engage with Catholics who are willing to speak with us and still hold these beliefs, that's typically what they what they think, you know, if they're, if they're willing to take what we say at face value, and realize that we're non theistic in, in really, in really engage with us, honestly, you know, honest on their terms, like we, you know, accounting for their supernaturalism. You know, they understand that we're non theistic, they understand how we see things, but they still believe that what we're doing has this supernatural influence that has a very negative conscience. sequence and I think that might be where the show is going. If they come back to, if they come back to me again.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:07 I mean, I like I kind of like, I kind of hope they do just because like, I don't know, cuz it's like, at least like interesting and I'm like, I feel like part of that. But on the other hand, like it's, it was so silly and so poorly done

Unknown Speaker 1:20:20 that, but but I have to admit, I watched this one episode, where a character that's supposed to be me comes in and fucks the protagonist and I thought, That's traumatizing for me like this is awful. And yet now anything I watch, I'm thinking like, Alright, now me has to come in there and fuck

Unknown Speaker 1:20:41 why can't Why can't Why can't this workout on every show? You know?

Unknown Speaker 1:20:46 I'm used to it. Now I expected you know, when you get the VIP treatment, you know, and your bright line, you're like, Oh, come on, guys. I'm not special. Next time you're in line. You're like this Sox.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:59 I got bumped up to the first class once. Just because I long story. But um, and then I wrote a first class and I'm like, I don't know how I can ever go back there again. Like, you know what I mean? Like, the seats are so small. Like, what? Somebody close those fucking curtains please.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:17 They don't account for you bringing your legs I want I want to live. I want to live in an alternate reality and evolution where you send a strongly worded email to the creators of evil being like, listen, first of all, I don't fuck like that. Got it all wrong. Who's in a car, I send the best strongly worded email. Down to an art I used to send them arbitrarily. Before I started doing before the Satanic Temple was a thing. I used to send superfluous complaint letters to companies and just send me stuff to I would complain about stupid advertising and things like that. They were there. I could put together a book of this stuff.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:05 And they'd send you free stuff. I should teach classes

Unknown Speaker 1:22:08 on strongly worded emails, I brought writing press releases for the Satanic Temple. And I think that that really kick started us.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:17 That's pretty awesome.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:18 Pretty good.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:20 Um, so I think we'll get into the the Sinister Six, the big six opinion questions now. And, you know, you can expand on your answers as much as you want, or, you know, pass on some if you want no problem. The first one is Freddie or Jason.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:41 I'm more for Freddy. I didn't I didn't see much. You know, I didn't really care much for the Jason backstory, you know. And then Jason morph more and more throughout time into this more and more supernatural character. It became more like a Marvel superhero where it was like, you know, I felt like the Marvel Universe began to break down in the comics. And they, to their credit, they allowed it to break down in the movies, too, in that way, where it's like, you have these kind of godlike characters now mixing with guys who just had like, you know, a little better technology, and we're taking on vigilantism. You know, and then you're trying to make an equal playing field once that they all start, you know, mixing with one another. So now, Captain America's as strong as Thor and all that other bullshit. And I felt like, you know, Jason was another one of those characters that just kept getting stronger and more unkillable and everything and it's like, I don't know, in my mind, you don't need that in a, in a, in a slasher character. You know, you just need somebody who's psychopathic and willing to kill, you know, and I felt like, there's a certain power in having a character that's not unkillable, like, then you might as well just give up, you know what I mean? It's like, it's a Superman. He was never an interesting character, because it's like, where's the struggle? You know what I mean? Somebody has to go find kryptonite somewhere or simply synthesize it. It's really predictable, you know, there's no struggle. And it became similar for Jason. There was a you know, Freddy was in his way kind of unkillable as well and, and a supernatural character but he started out supernatural and he he played upon people's unconscious fears and stuff and I just felt like there was more room for storytelling that way and, and more room for universe building.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:32 No, yeah, that's a good point.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:34 And I strongly agree on the on the on the two powerful thing. It's why Superman, the Hulk and Wolverine movies all have to be the same deal. Like they either have to have them weakened, or they have to fight somebody of the same caliber. Otherwise, they'll just destroy it. And unfortunately, though, then it sort of like negates like the purpose of them being so powerful. I don't know. I think it's a weird It's a weird thing. Like, they're, they're fun to, like have on the team, but like, don't like think about that. But like if every story has to revolve around them, like, now finding somebody equally comparable, then what's the point of them? I don't know. You know, it's like,

Unknown Speaker 1:25:16 right, then it just keeps getting bigger and bigger to the point where it's like their their storytelling can't sustain it anymore. Exactly. Yeah. And then people start dying and coming back from death. And that's when you know it's over.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:28 Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:32 Alright, number two, what's the difference between a thriller and a horror?

Unknown Speaker 1:25:39 Thriller is more dependent upon suspense. And I think that, you know, I think thrillers are more successful in the theaters, because it's hard to emulate or evoke real fear in people, you know, and you do that, you know, with depending on how successful the the jumpstarts are, and things like that, and just the kind of tear in the scenario type of thing but thriller can can have more of a mystery components to it, you know, and are often more psychological. In, I feel like one of the better horror film series of our time, which people probably don't recognize, as such, or probably don't consider as such was the Chernobyl series on on HBO. And that was almost a masterpiece and depression. More than anything else, but I really felt like they did a great job of showing just how horrific there wasn't, there wasn't a suspense to it, you know, he knew what was happening, and you knew it was gonna happen. You knew the danger involved. And I think that's the difference. But it was horrifying. And it was, it's horrific to see the outcome of that. So it doesn't always depend upon some psychotic anti human character, it can, you know, be just dependent on such conditions, you know, that are, that aren't amenable to human life. And, you know, certainly, if something's plausible or true, that can be all the more horrific still.

Unknown Speaker 1:27:22 Yeah, that's a great good. I like that. You brought up Chernobyl as a as a horror. That's pretty great. Yeah. All right. What horror movie influenced your taste the most?

Unknown Speaker 1:27:36 The horror films that influenced my tastes, you know, I, this is gonna make me sound like a real old fart. But I think what what must have earliest set the tone for me were films I didn't even find scary at all. But we're, you know, the universal horror films. I really, I really liked those. I'm talking like five years old now. And like the old the blob films, too, like when I was that, that age, really, really resonated to resonated for me for some reason, too. You know, there was just, you know, this, this creeping, faceless horror is overtaking everything and growing bigger, the more destroyed and depending on where you were at, you know, you could find yourself in a situation where there was no escape because it would envelop the entire bowling alley, like in, in the block to certain different concepts really struck me as effective. Earlier on, there was a Hammer Horror, where we'll film I don't remember if it was Mark of the werewolf for or I remember the remember the environments and the look of it, but I'm not sure which, I think maybe it was the legend of the wolf man or something like that. But there was just this scene where, where are you?

Unknown Speaker 1:29:04 Are you talking about Curse of the world?

Unknown Speaker 1:29:07 Yes, yeah. He's caught in a prison. So he has a prison bait. And he's telling the prison mate, like, shits about go really south here for you, because you're locked in this cell with me. And in the full moon, I'm going to become a werewolf and the guy is like, Oh, come on, fuck off, you know, like, get ready for a night of romance or whatever. And, you know, the full moon comes out and the guy starts sweating and convulsing and stuff from the guys and then cellmates getting increasingly worried. And, you know, that whole that whole thing struck me is really effective as a kid that idea of being locked in the room with the guy you know, and that struck me is also the most powerful part of Bram Stoker's Dracula when I read it to the everybody on the on the ship that was that was moving The Vampire to to London, and he was killing the crew, one by one, they were food supply, you know, and they would see him at night. And I thought it was just I just thought it was that it was more, I think it was more of the concept and that it struck me at the right time at the right age, you know, where I understood the concept, and therefore it was horrific, even though it was done in an old film, with not the best special effects, you know?

Unknown Speaker 1:30:27 Sure. If you could erase one movie from existence, what would it be?

Unknown Speaker 1:30:37 If I could erase a film from existence? Wow, you know, I guess a lot of people would look at like, some of the reef install films wall and look at its role and in motivating, you know, the Nazis during World War Two and say, you know, they would, they would get rid of that film. But I don't know, I doubt that would have a really significant effect. And it's hard to say, you know, without being able to look back in time and reverse engineer it, you know, what films have caused, what kind of devastation due to what people's beliefs, but I gave that kind of limited insight into, you know, the double whammy of The Exorcist and the popularity of Rosemary's Baby and helping inform the same channel that came after that. So I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to pass on that not not because I don't mind question or I don't have opinions. But I feel like if we thought about it hard enough, there would be a whole lot of films. For sure. But then you're acting as a retrospective. Sensor to so that's true.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:58 Yeah, that's why we have people pass on that one. Yeah, I said and I love I said scream and I love stream. But I just also love chaos. And I think scream did so much for the horror genre. It would be completely different if it never happened. So that's why I don't actually take that scream should be.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:19 You pull the thinos snap with? Yeah. So much shit. It's funny because that out of all the questions that we asked on this one, honestly, that one people pass the most on. And I mean, that makes sense. Because it's, you know, that's a tough one. But your answer also on those kind of perfect too, because, like, you can go the opposite way on it. You can either get rid of nothing or get rid of so many things.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:44 Yeah. Yeah, you can either like respect art and erase nothing, or like just go into a lot of problematic movies. But anyway,

Unknown Speaker 1:32:56 I think I think it's I think it's the Rob Zombie Halloween movies, and I'm fine. Whatever, whatever that stop, whatever. I'm good with it. So like, what I think I think there's nothing worse than what can what if, like, we didn't get stronger as a people with those movies. So no,

Unknown Speaker 1:33:15 I gotta admit, yeah, I I kind of broach this topic with my movie night crowd about Rob Zombie films. And I love the idea of his film. So do these interviews, and I think this is gonna be a great film. I watch it and I'm like, not so much. I'm, I'm really disappointed about the fact that he's doing the monsters I wish. I just feel like God dammit, leave the monsters alone. Yeah, the worst. The worst is.

Unknown Speaker 1:33:41 And if he you know, and I wouldn't care as much if he didn't put like, it's like, like, whatever, like you love your wife, and you want to put whoever you want in the movies at all. But like, there's also this weird, like nepotism factor of it and stuff like that, but she just shouldn't be Willy monster. chickens do something else in the movie, but like, give the opportunity to another actor. There are plenty of women out there who have worked their way up to get the starring roles and the very few starring roles in horror. And you know, and like, like, give it give it to somebody. I don't know. That's just that's just my take on it. And well, if

Unknown Speaker 1:34:12 history is any measure, down to these up and coming up and coming actors are missing out by not being

Unknown Speaker 1:34:21 a good boy. I just I've just always like like, hey, let's give people a shot. You know what I mean? Like, let's let people like get some good some IMDB? Well, with

Unknown Speaker 1:34:32 that in mind, people have wised up a little bit, it seems at least more so than before, to letting people who like actually have some of the characteristics of the person they're playing play the role, like, rather than the famous Hollywood person, like trying to, you know, say emulate a Russian accent or, you know, having their arm CGI off or getting somebody you know Who is somebody who's actually missing an arm or whatever? Because I, you know, I, I don't think I'm a good actor, but I think there's a lot of people who are to the point where I think a lot more people could do it and do a good job than we allow for when we have the same, you know, small set of Hollywood people in films all the time.

Unknown Speaker 1:35:23 Absolutely. Are ghosts real?

Unknown Speaker 1:35:30 Oh, well, this gets very philosophical, doesn't it? Like, I, I don't think like actual manifestations of, you know, that contain the consciousness of somebody who was, who was previously alive, you know, manifests themselves in physical environments and make themselves known. But I do think there's a lot of anomalous experiences people have that can very much convince them of these types of things, because they have no other context for which to view it through. So I, you know, well, I don't think ghosts are real. That's not to say I think people who do ghost hunting and explore paranormal things are all lying, or, you know, running a scam or anything like that, you know, I know a lot of people who get into paranormal stuff and do like, ghost hunting type things and things like that. In a lot of times, I think people find that there's like when it comes to the haunted house idea that there's old houses and there's a lot of things you don't account for with old house, in a lot of ways in which, you know, the old house settling or other other such things, electrical problems or whatever can manifest themselves in ways that are unexpected that people interpret as having some kind of conscious, conscious intervention.

Unknown Speaker 1:36:58 For sure, yeah, Ryan actually brings up all the time like he went to Loch Ness, and he doesn't believe in Loch Ness, but spent the whole time looking for Loch Ness. He wants to believe but

Unknown Speaker 1:37:11 yeah, like I want I want there to be a Loch Ness monster. I want there to be ghosts. I gotta tell you, because like, like when I was a kid, and I sort of believed in all that, like, like the Ouija board was real fun. Now, yes, as a skeptic, and an atheist, like Weegee boards, boring as fuck. Like, it really is, like, you want to bust it out. Be like, let's have some fun. And then you're like, that it's not moving. And you're like, maybe I should ask it differently. You're like, oh, wait, that's not how any of this works. So I don't like I don't I don't know what I like. Yeah, like, I still want there to be fun in life of mystery and stuff like that. And I sometimes don't let my factual reality over. You know, I know there's no Loch Ness monster. I know it. But God Oh,

Unknown Speaker 1:37:52 yeah. But just just the same, like, yeah, if you hear that people are seeing something big intermittently in the water in you can't see the bottom. You know, you can't tell me that you're floating out there feeling entirely comfortable.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:07 Exactly. Yeah, it's kind of exciting. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:10 It's a great place to I strongly suggest anybody go there and take a boat ride because it's beautiful. And Scotland is in Scotland, big shout out to Scotland. They're amazing.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:20 Last one, midsummer or hereditary?

Unknown Speaker 1:38:25 Ah, you know what I never saw hereditary. I know the I like the SoundTracking for hereditary I forget the name of the guy but but hereditary SoundTracking was really good. And you know, midsummer when I saw that I was not in the mood for it. And I felt like the slow pans over the over the environment in like the camera following the character thing I was not in the mood for that so I wouldn't have to watch it again to see if it really clicked for me but it you know in that's where I really differ with a lot of my peers you know a lot of people around me like the same things I like liked like mid summer a lot and I just did not get into it

Unknown Speaker 1:39:20 i i can understand that. You know like I'm like I love a 24 movies like I love them but like I have to be in the right mood for it. I can't just I can't just slapping um I think I'm more in the in the your camp which is worth like 90% of the time I just laugh on like a something just kind of fun and something sort of like you know something I can enjoy and like if I want to like sit down

Unknown Speaker 1:39:46 yes something something that won't disappoint you because disappointment is the point. I'd be I'd be very very interested to hear what your thoughts are on hereditary once you do see it because it's a very interesting movie with for all sorts of different reasons. But from the spiritual aspect of it, there's a lot of really insane shit that happens in the movie. So I'd be I'd be super curious to hear what your thoughts are on that when you actually do watch it. Yeah, yeah, I will check it out. For sure. It is kind of an oversight of mine, I let that one cruise by

Unknown Speaker 1:40:23 some, some really great imagery in that movie, and some really kind of like, like really fucked up moments that are pretty awesome. So I am a hereditary person, I think I think midsummer is good, but it's definitely like, I got to sit down and get ready to watch it sort of sort of movie. So.

Unknown Speaker 1:40:44 And also the director's cut, which I would always recommend is like, three hours long. So it's not an easy one to just sit down and watch.

Unknown Speaker 1:40:53 And they're also vastly different movies like they're the the thing with Ari Astor is the way that he I mean, their goods. They're both his movies, sometimes directors have a signature or whatever. Those are such different films energetically. That I think it's I think it's actually just interesting in that sense, because the fact that those are his two first, his first two movies, and there's so vastly different, it's very interesting to me. But you can tell that, like, you know, he's gonna be a legendary director, like even just based off his first two movies.

Unknown Speaker 1:41:29 Well, this has been, this has been an awesome episode. Awesome. Yeah, we really appreciate you making time for us. This is the part of the episode where we do any recommendation. So we'll we usually go first and let our guests take us out. So if you got anything musically, movie wise, anything else? When I came up with green onions once because if you put green onions are like 79 cents, and if you put them in your meal, it makes like your meal like $10 better. You know, and, you know, just anything you can think of on that. You're, you're into it. No, I

Unknown Speaker 1:42:05 just haven't been I have a belated Zinger. Okay, let's hear I'm okay. Maybe he can teach Rob Zombie a thing or two about directing. You know what, listen, he needs to Rob Zombie needs to do two things. He needs to only give his wife vanity parts. Just like quick vanity parts. That's fine. And also he needs to stop making every single movie that he makes about incest in some way. Because I swear to God, if the monsters fuck each other, I'm gonna lose my mind.

Unknown Speaker 1:42:38 There's so gonna. Yeah, yeah, percent. All right. You want me to go first? Go for it, man. Yep. All right. I only have one I think this week. It's human impact. They're sort of like an industrial rock band. Very aggressive. Super good. I just saw them last night live at market hotel in Brooklyn. And market hotel is actually a really great venue to so if you see any shows, I recommend that place too. It does not look like a venue from the outside. Yeah, either. No, it sounds like a hotel. It was super weird. And it's like a triangle shape like, and actually, behind the band. There's a huge window. And you can see the the J train go by like, every few minutes. It was kind of cool. Watching these bands just like tear it apart. And then the train go by in the background every once in a while. So yeah, human impact. It's members of unsane, cops UCOP and swans. And this is their new band. They already have two records out. Both of them are super good. Check that out.

Unknown Speaker 1:43:50 Very cool. Um, I got a couple of recommendations this time. First off, one thing I wanted to mention Lucia the first time I saw you was actually at what the fest here in New York, when you did the q&a with Maria after the hail satan documentary. So remember, yeah, that was, that was a really cool thing. So it was really cool for you to come on the show and everything in like, you know, have us talk to you on this aside from just what I had seen from the q&a, like everything you talked about was really cool at this. And obviously, the documentary is incredible, and people should watch that. But I will do a couple of other recommendations really quick, um, two movies that are on opposite sides of the spectrum of the same scenario. The first one is the good one. It's called tailgate, and it's on shutter, and it's a road rage movie from it's a Dutch road rage movie. It's awesome. It's like a road rage slasher. Very, very cool movie. Now on the opposite side of the spectrum of boroughbridge movies. This one is so bad that it's good. And it's called unhinged. And it starts fat Russell Crowe, and it's awesome. Because it's so Super, super terrible, but super fun as well. And then music the new emigrate album. I just watched that. Yeah, emigrate. That one just dropped, I think like two weeks ago, three weeks or something like that. So check that out as well.

Unknown Speaker 1:45:18 The Ron Rammstein side projects.

Unknown Speaker 1:45:21 Yeah, it's the wrong Stein side project and

Unknown Speaker 1:45:23 it's it's interesting because it doesn't sound like Ramstein at all like it's his own thing. It's like, the best way to put it is like it's a modernized vert modernized take on like 80 synth metal. So it's not industrial like Ramstein is it's definitely got more of like an 80s Like, almost synth pop mixed with heavy metal, and it's very cool. It sounds very, very cool. So

Unknown Speaker 1:45:55 um, I'm going to, we had a friend Johnny Taylor on earlier this week. He said to say hi, Lucian. I think he did his podcast too.

Unknown Speaker 1:46:05 I did. Yeah. Tell Johnny Taylor.

Unknown Speaker 1:46:09 Yep, he is a he's a he's a good dude. Good friend of ours. I recommend Odd Future and I'm going to do it again. I'm going to recommend early on future stuff and revisit it all it's also good. Go please go to YouTube and search on future Fallon. It's a super good it's super good. It's like one of the best live performances ever on Jimmy Fallon no less. So and they kind of treat Jimmy pretty funny. Tyler the Creator like jumps like it's actually their first television performance and I just think it's incredibly talented. It's It's a horror themed I know you hate I know Tyler hates when we use they're called Horrorcore but I'm just going to It's a horror themed production on the stage and it's just it's just very very very good. Check that out. Movie wise I'm going to suggest a random acts of violence that is on shutter. It is absolutely dear shutter by the way I'm having trouble with your app on my on my Roku keeps logging itself out and then I have to re install it so shutter folks, please help me help me You're my only hope. But random acts of violence is very good. In terms of some of my favorite stuff, comic books and slasher horror, and they how they combine it's about a comic book writer who, who somebody who writes a comic book about a slasher and somebody is doing the slashing from the comic books on it. So that's very good, strongly suggested good solid well paced slasher flick, good Gore, and stuff. And I'm going to recommend a book this week that I'm, I'd like to say I'm reading but I'm actually like listening to it because I drive a lot for work right now. It is. It is a Noca. It's a collection of indigenous horror by Shane hawk. He's a indigenous horror writer. And they're, it's a collection. He's got a bunch of stuff out, but the collection of his stories and it's a damn good introduction to his work. So please dig in a Noca by Shane hawk. Lucian, what do you got?

Unknown Speaker 1:48:27 Check out my friend Jason Lennox, I guess. look him up on Twitter, look up his name. He's coming out with the satanic coloring book, which I contributed art to certainly look at the products and books of Shiva honey. She's you know, she did guest vocals on satanic planet and she's put out a satanic book on death and dying. And she's also put out a book of ritual practices for Satanism. And also check out the new book by Lilith star. She's another one of ours from Seattle and she recently wrote a book about what it is like being a TST Satanist. And you know, really check out this band satanic planet, I think I think they did a really great really great first album and and, you know, hoping that we can get on the road and do some live shows and you know, make people more aware. Yeah, I think it'll, it'll really find its crowd.

Unknown Speaker 1:49:37 Yeah, that would be a great live show to super fun.

Unknown Speaker 1:49:40 Yeah, I really can't wait.

Unknown Speaker 1:49:44 So So one question I do have right before we go is when is the when is the best time to say hello, say hello as a goodbye or just when you feel like

Unknown Speaker 1:49:54 it? No best time is when you're at the family gathering. All right. Christmas morning. scream it out.

Unknown Speaker 1:50:06 Yes.

Unknown Speaker 1:50:07 When grandma when grandma tells you to say grace when you don't want to just be like alright, you know what? You want me to say grace I got your grandma. Yeah, but you know I have noticed it seems like people say Hail Satan more when they're signing off than when they sign on right okay you know it's not so much seems like it's less a greeting is it is a you know it farewell

Unknown Speaker 1:50:31 yeah I think it could be both but but I but I but I just I didn't I didn't want you know I just wondered like you know if so anyways thank you so much for your time and keep doing what you're doing keep doing what you're doing in Texas I hope that's going good I meant to dig into that today but where can people support you? Where Where where's where can people help your help your fight to because you're fighting a good fight in Texas about with against the the anti woman bill and all that. So where can they do that?

Unknown Speaker 1:51:05 Yeah, check out our website, the satanic temple.com Don't forget to put thought thought and in the full URL, Satanic Temple calm. I hate Facebook with a passion and I wish the company would be utterly destroyed and Mark Zuckerberg would be thrown in prison but I have an account on their fan account with it's mostly because that site has held me hostage to the fact that they won't pull down imposter accounts if I were to do it. But I am active on Twitter. So I can be found there. And people can kind of keep up with with me and us in that way. I also have a Patreon page, which is kind of how I make my income. You can read this stuff there without paying anything but if you you know if you are able, you know to to subscribe and throw in any amounts that's appreciated too.

Unknown Speaker 1:52:04 Awesome. And do so go to T go to the Satanic Temple, do their Patreon and then go to ours and do our newly released Patreon too. So you know because so we can bring you more excellent not that we want we'll stop but like you know we have some cool stuff on there. We just released that this week. Go check it out. Big thank you to all of our listeners we've we are getting more and more every day. And the the amount in the first hour or two of dropping a new episode is blowing my mind. So thank you to all our listeners for tuning in and, and making this this reality like this. We to be able to talk to amazing people like Lucian and and all the people that we've talked to you lately is absolutely great. And if you're listening to us for the first time, we have tons of great content back out go check out our Justin Pearson episode where we talk more about satanic planet go go to listen to our Kyle Kinane episode where we discuss you know, it's one of the funniest guys alive we have so much great stuff out there we have and we're we're really glad to be part of this and do it if you have suggestions, leave them on and most of all, most of all, big, big during this holiday season or anytime but if you are having a tough time and the narrative of life doesn't fit with the with with you the narrative of your suppose of life doesn't fit with your real life and you're having a tough time. Please reach out to us we would love to talk to you and and take care of yourself. This is a tough time of year for a lot of people and we are here to support each other and we all do this together.

Unknown Speaker 1:53:46 We love you all and please take care of yourself. Go start some fires some break some glass and hail satan.

Unknown Speaker 1:53:53 Hail Satan jhanas

Unknown Speaker 1:53:57 hail say

Unknown Speaker 1:54:01 can we get one from Lucien just because

Unknown Speaker 1:54:04 Hail Satan there yeah, good

Unknown Speaker 1:54:06 very much. Perfect. Y'all take care. Thank you