Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special

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Working transcript of the Might is Right 24-hour stream.

On Sept. 11, 2003, Doug Misicko, Shane Bugbee, and Shane's wife Amy Bugbee, also known as Amy Stocky, hosted a 24-hour Internet radio stream with guests and callers to mark the release of their new edition of Might Is Right by Arthur Desmond, then using the penname "Ragnar Redbeard".[1]

Notable interviews included the founder of the neo-Nazi organization "White Aryan Resistance" Tom Metzger, white power musician and former front man of RaHoWa ("Racial Holy War") George Burdi, and Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore.

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Promotion

Mephisto Media Update - September 9, 2003[2]

Historic 24 Hour long "Might is Right" Broadcast!
Mephisto Media is sponsoring a historic 24 Hour broadcast on our internet radio affiliate RadioFreeSatan.com to celebrate the historic re-release of "Might is Right". This text, described as "literary dynamite" was written in 1898 by "Ragnar Redbeard" and served as one of the major influences for the Satanic Bible, and this edition includes an introduction by none other than Anton LaVey himself! Can you think of a more EVIL book for Mephisto Media to support? WE CAN'T! Starting exactly at Midnight EST on Radio Free Satan, a 24 hour broadcast will commense, hosted by Publisher Shane Bugbee, Illustrator Doug Mesner, and General Amy of the Television Ministry (tvisgod.com).
Live guests and celebrities! Contests and call-ins! FUN FOR THE ENTIRE EVIL FAMILY! Much of the material to be broadcast in this historic coverage has NEVER BEEN HEARD BEFORE and likely will NEVER BE HEARD AGAIN! Stay tuned to MephistoMedia.com, RadioFreeSatan.com, and evilnow.com for info!
Rumor has it that this edition of Might is Right will find its way into Mephisto Media's catalog before long, but we cannot confirm nor deny that at this time.
Be sure to tune in to RadioFreeSatan.com for this historic broadcast!
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Self-Description

Might Is Right 24 hr radio special.
SHOW 1: THREE RING RADIO PREMIERE 1ST SHOW EVER!!!!LIVE FOR 24 HOURS ON SEPT 11TH - To celebrate the premiere of my very own radio show & kick off my new reprinting of MIGHT IS RIGHT Me, My wife & Pal Doug put on a historic, 24 hour LIVE radio broadcast on September 11, 2003.*
The show will featured live guests, interviews, and music relating to the book, and the concept of Survival of the Fittest. Guests from many walks of life discussed Might Is Right, terrorism, and revolution! Show started on 9-11-03, from Midnight to Midnight 9-12-03 on radiofreesatan.com a true broadcast to end all broadcasts!
Here's some of the 24 hour 9/11 shows contents:
Never before released audio, music and madness! Anus Presley - the noise of the late, great Sverre Kristensen. Waco - Day 51. Unreleased and favorites from Charles Manson -- interviews, music, and monologues. A brief history of Might Is Right.
Hart Fisher, Vincent Crowley, Kenn Thomas of steam shovel press, Usurper, Eugene Robinson - The man that inspired the likes of Boyd Rice and Adam Parfrey! He's the Promethean Satanist according to LaVey!!! Rare recordings of Lydia Lunch, Jello Biafra and others.
White power, racialism, and reform with Tom Metzger and the artist formerly known as George Eric Hawthorne, of the band RAHOWA. Peter Gilmore from the COS talks 9-11, and we wind down with a never before heard interview with Boyd Rice and Thomas Thorn, conducted by Vadge Moore from the Dwarves.

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Transcript

The following is the product of an automated transcription from the original audio. Some of the automatic transcriptions are not accurate. Bolded names indicate the dialogue has been manually corrected at least once.

Automatic timestamps are roughly accurate but drift slightly throughout the twenty-four hours when compared with the recording's timer. Corrected timestamps are placed to the right of names and italicized.

It's recommended to listen to the audio along with reading the transcript to ensure accuracy.

Content warnings include examples of racism, antisemitism, ableism, misogyny, references to fatal self-harm, and numerous slurs which remain unredacted, as they also were not censored in the original recording.

Hour 1

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:00] Doug, well, Mike, things are OK, we're on. Amy? [00:00:05][4.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:00:05] We are on. [00:00:06][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:07] Yeah -. [00:00:07][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:00:07] Unprepared and on [00:00:08][0.8]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:10] We're unprepared and on. Doug? Doug's freezing up. [00:00:15][4.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:00:15] I'm not freezing up. [00:00:16][1.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:00:17] Here comes the train! [00:00:17][0.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:19] Yeah. You hear the train? [00:00:20][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:00:23] Can they hear the train? [00:00:23][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:26] I don't know. Well, you're tuning in to Radio Free Satan.com, special Might Is Right broadcast on 9/11. We sympathize with all the victims. We're here praying for them [00:00:38][12.1]

Doug Misicko: [00:00:40] On our knees. [00:00:40][0.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:00:42] Oh, yeah. [00:00:42][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:43] We're not laughing at the victims, ok? [00:00:45][1.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:00:45] We're laughing with them. Or for them. [00:00:47][1.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:00:52] This first thing we're going to do for you is we're going to play a little something where we hope you all go away. We just want to talk to ourselves, really. We really don't like people. But this next CD is going to play one song - it really is one song. It's Anus Presley. If you've never heard of Anus Presley, it's done by one of my good friends, old friend of mine. His name was Sverre Kristensen. He did a comic book for me, by the way. IDoEvilNow.com published some comic books, and books like Might Is Right. And it's like the most obscene comic book ever. You really got to look for it - Bad Pills. Someone else should do some talking, you fucking goofs. You see, Doug and Amy have not had their flops. [00:01:46][54.0]

Doug Misicko: [00:01:47] We're listening. [00:01:47][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:01:47] Listening to what, me? Yeah, but, you know, they're looking at my ass when I turn around. That's what they're impressed by. [00:01:52][4.8]

Unidentified: [00:01:59] All right, Rich, this one goes out to you. [00:02:01][2.1]

Voiceover: [00:02:04] ...Being what in this country would be called a nice guy. [00:02:07][2.7]

Shane Bugbee: [00:02:22] We're going to start that over because it didn't sound good. So pretend you didn't hear anything that you just heard and pretend, OK? Rich, this one's going out for you. [00:02:33][11.9]

Voiceover: [00:02:39] I think the greatest mistake that Adolf Hitler made was being what in this country would be called a nice guy....*unintelligible variety of audio recordings and noise* [00:02:44][5.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:42:50] Well, I guess we're back on the air. I'm eating a tomato right now, and I thought this. Doug? Now you're on, [00:43:05][14.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:43:06] I think the listening audience was expecting more. [00:43:08][2.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:43:10] I think they're disappointed. [00:43:10][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:43:12] I know - I know the gentleman running Radio Free Satan wanted to hear that again. [00:43:17][4.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:43:18] I think you might want to play it again [00:43:19][1.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:43:21] Yeah right now. Nah, we're joking. When we started, it was a bad introduction. I didn't introduct -introduct, introduct - I didn't introduce my friends here. [00:43:35][14.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:43:35] Or yourself. [00:43:35][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:43:40] Amy's my wife. She helped out a lot with Might Is Right. She was one of the main reasons we hooked up with Anton LeVey. She goes by the handle, the whore of horror -. [00:43:56][15.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:43:56] Among others. [00:43:56][0.0]

[00:43:56] Jokes, among others, I don't want any jokes about my wife's a whore, OK. But she does a website called TVisGod.com. It's a fun Web site. And she's working on a website called The Whore of Horror. She writes some horror. [00:44:16][19.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:44:18] I guess that's it for me. [00:44:21][3.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:44:23] TV's God's good. David Spade tried to rape her once, sued - oh no, he didn't. [00:44:28][5.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:44:29] He just threatened to sue me [00:44:30][1.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:44:34] And the other gentleman. Well, the only gentleman here is Doug. Good friend, Doug - what's your last name Doug? We just met him. [00:44:43][8.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:44:43] Mesner. [00:44:43][0.0]

[00:44:44] Yeah, Mesner. I get it confused. But Doug did the illustrations for Might Is Right. [00:44:50][6.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:44:51] They look great. [00:44:52][0.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:44:52] F you can see them at EvilNow.com, a few of them. [00:44:56][4.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:44:56] Yeah. EvilNow.com has them up. And we ran into Doug in the strangest ways. It's crazy how we ran into Doug, but Doug had a friend that bought the rape book from me, drove all the way to Tennessee to pick it up because it didn't get to him in the mail quick enough, imagine that. I shipped stuff out really quick. If anyone out there's bought something from me, they know how quick I ship that, ok? [00:45:22][25.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:45:23] How fast it arrives. [00:45:24][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:24] Yeah, it arrives really fast. And that's how we met Doug. [00:45:29][4.2]

Doug Misicko: [00:45:31] He gave you a notebook of mine, didn't he? [00:45:32][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:33] He gave what, opium? [00:45:33][0.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:45:34] A notebook. [00:45:35][0.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:45:35] He just told us about you, I think. And then you came up with him and brought a note, a sketchbook. [00:45:39][4.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:45:41] All right. [00:45:42][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:42] Doug handed me - hey, listen to this. He handed me all of his original artwork and his notebooks. I can't find any of it, by the way. [00:45:48][5.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:45:48] All right. [00:45:48][0.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:48] I think it's being sold on eBay from someone else. [00:45:51][2.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:45:51] Oh, come on. [00:45:52][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:45:56] No, but Doug did some really nice artwork for it. It just came together really cool. There's so many stories that we have about Might Is Right and how it came about, and how special to us - that's not just what this radio show is about or what we're doing with the 24 hours. It's about a lot of things. We chose to do it. I chose to do it on 9/11. It's because it's a hype date, something people freak out about. It means absolutely nothing to me. I could care less how many buildings fall on fire and how many people die around me, as long as it's not me and my beautiful wife, [00:46:29][33.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:46:30] As long as it's a lot. [00:46:30][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:46:31] As long as Doug is OK for now. I don't care. So 9/11 means nothing to us, really, or me. It's just a hype date. [00:46:41][9.2]

Amy Bugbee: [00:46:41] And Shane. You should talk a little about you, Shane Bugbee. [00:46:44][3.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:46:46] Well, I'm playing with my nipples right now. I'm looking at my wife. Doug's watching me play with my nipples and it's fucked up. [00:46:52][6.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:46:53] It's only costing me five dollars. [00:46:54][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:46:55] So the gentleman at Radio Free Satan tells us we have five listeners, five whole listeners. And I do mean holes like wet, slimy holes. We tried to chase you away, but you stayed, you five. If there is any listeners and you instant message TVisGod9, I'm going, [00:47:13][17.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:47:14] At AOL.com, I think it is. [00:47:14][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:47:14] Motherfucker. I know what it is. It's the message. [00:47:16][1.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:47:18] Whatever. [00:47:18][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:47:19] Well, you guys can't talk over me. The mikes are going, you know, don't hear me, OK? No, listen. TVisGod - the instant message handle is TVIsGod9, nothing else. It is an AOL instant message. You can you can do that if you go in the chat group. Is that a chat group, Amy. What is it? [00:47:40][20.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:47:40] Yes, it's the Radio Free Satan chat room. [00:47:42][2.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:47:43] If you go there, any listeners right now for the next ten minutes that email us an address, will get a free Might Is Right T-shirt. I just want to see if Rich's - what happened? [00:47:55][11.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:47:57] My computer just froze. Hold that thought. [00:48:00][2.8]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:01] No, just email us then, whatever. I know what time it is. I know what time it is, nigga. No, I don't want to have this motherfucker. Hand me my repo. No, really, if you just email us or go to the, go to the chat group right now and email us an address, email the radio free Satan folks right now it's twelve fifty something somewhere. And email us right now, five - anyone who's listening will send you a free Might Is Right T-shirt. [00:48:32][31.1]

Doug Misicko: [00:48:32] Sean, Monty, you motherfuckers, you better be among the five. [00:48:35][3.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:36] Sean and Monty were not, fucking - [00:48:38][1.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:48:38] Sean and Monty. [00:48:39][0.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:40] Sean. I say we just change those bitches' names to Sean Monty and Monty Sean. Motherfuckers if you guys ain't out there - [00:48:48][8.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:48:49] like the queers John Fitzsimmons and Simmons Fitzjohn. [00:48:51][2.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:52] We're coming to get you, Sean Monty. [00:48:53][1.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:48:54] They might want to email someone else because my computer's totally down now. [00:48:57][3.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:48:58] Speak into the mic, woman, I can't hear you, say it. [00:49:01][2.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:49:02] They might want to email someone else, might want to give a different email address, because my computer's totally done, it's toast. [00:49:08][6.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:09] Really? [00:49:09][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:49:10] It's yeah, well, I had unplug it [00:49:12][2.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:13] So it'll start up again in a couple hours? [00:49:14][1.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:49:15] In a couple hours. [00:49:15][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:17] Well, you know what? My email address is, Shane13. Only have your bitches and wives and mothers email me. No guys. [00:49:26][8.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:49:27] Shane13@Ameritech.net. [00:49:28][1.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:29] That's right. Shane 13@Ameritech.net. You email me next five minutes and I will - I'll hook you up. Hook ya up, nigga. Oh. Come on Doug, say something. man. Doug has one eye, how'd that happen, Doug? [00:49:48][18.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:49:49] I lost one somewhere along the way. [00:49:51][1.9]

Shane Bugbee: [00:49:55] I tell you for a one-eyed guy this guy fucking gets the pussy, ok? He picks up the chicks, let me tell ya, OK? [00:50:00][5.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:01] They're not true. [00:50:01][0.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:50:03] So do you have a glass eye? [00:50:03][0.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:05] No, it's - would it look this fucked-up if it was a glass eye? [00:50:08][3.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:50:08] Well, we don't know who you're going to. [00:50:09][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:13] I wouldn't make them make it opaque or cloudy or any shit like that? No, it's the real deal. [00:50:16][3.5]

Amy Bugbee: [00:50:17] You could get a glass one with like the American flag on it or something. [00:50:20][2.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:21] No. Yeah, I guess I could, but I won't. I wanted to keep the original parts. They offered to take it out but, didn't happen. It's got a silicone ring around it though. [00:50:31][10.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:50:34] You know, that's really why we played that - oh, the silicone ring. The silicone ring? [00:50:37][3.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:50:40] Silicone ring hole! [00:50:40][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:50:42] I need one of those silicone rings when Amy goes to her mother's house. [00:50:45][3.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:50:46] Oh, really? [00:50:47][1.1]

Doug Misicko: [00:50:49] For what? [00:50:49][0.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:50:51] Masturbation. Fucking. Oh, it's better than when I - you know, I take like a tomato and start fucking it or something and, you know - I heat the tomato up in the microwave and - [00:50:59][7.9]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:01] In Chicago in like the 1880s, there was a whorehouse called the Everleigh Club and they were supposed to have a whore for every need. And there was a woman there with one eye. She had a glass eye and she could take out her glass eye and guys could fuck the the hole. [00:51:16][15.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:51:18] Really. [00:51:18][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:19] Imagine that in the 1880s. Yeah. [00:51:22][2.8]

Shane Bugbee: [00:51:26] You like that? [00:51:26][0.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:51:28] I don't know, little warm substance on the brain. I don't know what that would do for you. [00:51:31][2.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:33] She was quite popular. [00:51:34][1.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:51:36] Well, Saka tells us a lot of women use that warm substance for, what was it? [00:51:43][6.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:43] Facials. [00:51:43][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:51:44] Yeah, facials, not literally facial, but like they rub it into their wrinkles. [00:51:47][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:51:47] Because they call it a facial. [00:51:48][0.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:51:51] They say it keeps their - it keeps their skin good. [00:51:51][0.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:51:54] Then how come my cock is wrinkly? [00:51:55][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:51:56] Oh, Doug has just blown a hole in that theory. [00:51:59][3.0]

Doug Misicko: [00:52:03] Answer me that. [00:52:04][0.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:52:05] Well there's a total difference in the face and the dick. [00:52:07][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:52:11] I don't know. I know some dick-faced motherfuckers. [00:52:12][0.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:52:16] You know, if anyone knows, you know. [00:52:17][1.5]

Amy Bugbee: [00:52:17] if it's wrinkly, does that mean you're not circumcised? [00:52:20][2.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:52:21] Your friends aren't listening Doug, no one's listening. No one has emailed me for a free Might is Right T-shirt. And you see, that's why I play that noise music and I play stuff. I just - I want to give away the stuff, I told Rich, I'd give away stuff. But I'm a cheap bastard, so fuck you all. [00:52:33][12.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:52:35] I'll take a year to get to you anyway. [00:52:37][2.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:52:38] Oh, nice Amy. Real nice. Real fucking nice. You're better? You can do better? [00:52:47][8.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:52:47] What's your oldest order you were bragging about the other day? [00:52:50][2.9]

Shane Bugbee: [00:52:52] Two years. Two years. They've been waiting, but they wait proudly. They wait. They wait. And wait. [00:52:59][7.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:00] Now, they got it, did they? [00:53:01][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:02] No. [00:53:02][0.0]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:03] OK, two years and counting. [00:53:05][2.1]

[00:53:06] No, that's the oldest Might Is Right order I have on backorder and the guy - you know, I wish I could remember his name, he's a really cool guy. [00:53:12][6.2]

Amy Bugbee: [00:53:12] Is it. George in Chicago Ridge. [00:53:16][3.1]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:16] Oh no, no. This guy's from Canada - Jerod or something - he's a Church of Satan member and he's a really cool guy. And I'm telling you, [00:53:23][6.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:23] Gerod Staaf? [00:53:24][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:25] That's him! [00:53:25][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:25] Is it? [00:53:26][0.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:26] Because that's the guy that Ken Hamblin Show was telling me he was was looking, was calling the producer asking about my interview and shit. [00:53:33][6.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:34] Yeah, that's him! [00:53:34][0.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:34] All right. [00:53:35][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:35] Well, Gerod's dad. [00:53:36][0.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:36] Yeah, he's hardcore. Gerod's dad. He's one of our listeners. This one goes out to you, buddy. [00:53:41][5.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:42] Gerod, we're going to smear our own semen and blood and piss in that book just for you, Gerod. For two years of waiting, [00:53:47][5.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:49] I think he called the Ken Hamblin Show more than once, because the producer made a point of mentioning it to me. [00:53:54][5.7]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:55] Let's explain to the simpletons who can handle this, OK? [00:53:58][3.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:53:58] Ken Hamblin [00:53:58][0.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:53:59] He's the Black Avenger [00:54:00][0.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:00] and syndicated radio show host [00:54:02][1.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:03] Doug and the Black Avenger are like, two peas in a pod [00:54:06][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:06] Like brothers. [00:54:06][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:08] Doug did an interview on his his syndicated nigger talk show. Nah, I'm joking. You say Black Avenger. I said Nigger Avenger. No joke. No one's listening. [00:54:18][10.3]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:18] No, Shane gave me the number to the producer, the Ken Hamblin Show, told me to give him a call. I asked, What kind of show is this? He said, Why don't you ask him those kinds of questions? So I called him up, and this guy said, Can I have you on at 5:30? And I said, OK, so then I go and check out the Ken Hamblin website and I see he's the Black Avenger, some neoconservative in support of, I don't know. [00:54:41][23.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:42] Oh, God. Guess what? Guess who just emailed me. [00:54:44][2.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:45] Gerod Staaf. [00:54:45][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:46] How'd you guess? [00:54:46][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [00:54:48] Gerod Staaf, you monster. You get no t-shirt though, that's because you waited two years. We're going to send you a ripped one, just to disappoint you more. [00:54:55][6.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:54:56] In five years. [00:54:57][0.4]

Amy Bugbee: [00:54:59] That was the great thing about Shane. When we were first married, we would have these mail order people that would send in orders and they'd be waiting months and months to get their stuff. And there'd be people who weren't used to it who would call, and write, and harangue -. [00:55:13][14.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:55:14] We're losing our bearings, our focus. We're going to lose Gerod Staaf. [00:55:17][3.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:55:18] I just got an email from Rich and he said, we lost our one nigger listener because I said, nigger. Well, fuck you, you fucking Jew cocksucker, motherfucking fag. Now, we lost a Jew and a fag too! We only got one listener. Gerod, I hope you weren't Jew, nigger, or fag. [00:55:32][13.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:55:34] No, no. But the talk show. Yeah, he was a black neoconservative. Thought he would attack me- [00:55:41][7.2]

Shane Bugbee: [00:55:42] Who, the Black Avenger? [00:55:43][0.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:55:43] Yeah, but he was cool. He liked me. Yeah. They want to have me back on. [00:55:49][5.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:55:49] He agreed with you that ugly people are just born to be ugly and just, suffer the consequences. [00:55:52][2.7]

Amy Bugbee: [00:55:52] They fail. [00:55:53][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:55:54] They fail? [00:55:54][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:55:57] Well ugly people never get ahead, isn't that what you said? [00:56:00][3.2]

Doug Misicko: [00:56:00] Yeah. They said nobody, nobody gives up their seat on the bus for an ugly person. The ugly person stands. He was the one. He was the one when he was trying to bait me to say something like that. He was the one who said that ugly people who are tested, genetically tested and are shown that they're going to have an ugly child should not be allowed to reproduce. And I thought that was pretty cool of him. But I didn't have to say it, was the best part. And to think I got called back. And plus, to top it off, I didn't even get an angry response. The producer said, I got - I generated a lot of interest, according to him. [00:56:44][43.3]

Amy Bugbee: [00:56:45] Positive response. [00:56:45][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:56:46] Yeah, he he had at least five listeners, I think Ken Hamblin. [00:56:51][5.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:56:53] You didn't chase any away? [00:56:54][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:56:54] No, til he played Anus Presley, then it was done. [00:56:57][3.6]

Amy Bugbee: [00:56:58] Yeah, that's his favorite band. [00:56:59][0.9]

Shane Bugbee: [00:57:00] That CD we played, I played earlier. I didn't explain. I didn't think I explained myself well enough. But this guy was a really talented artist and he's dead now. And he died of leukemia. And, you know, he was the biggest believer in Might Is Right, and stuff. Really loved the book. And he really you know, I really played the CD just to irritate and drive people away and see who the strongest were. Only the strong survive that CD, because I hate noise music really bad. And I figured if I hate it, I just pass along that to you. But Sverre was a real good guy, you should look his work up some time. His work is really, really some of the best stuff you're ever going to see. Really blew me away when I first saw it. I remember calling them to publish his comic book and it was just. I caught him about six months before he died, so I was lucky I don't have to pay him. [00:57:54][53.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:57:55] Why don't you read us Gerod's e-mail? [00:57:57][1.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:57:58] Why don't you read Gerod's email? [00:57:59][0.7]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:00] Because I can't see it from here. [00:58:01][0.9]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:01] he's just asking for a handout. Looking for a handout. [00:58:05][3.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:07] It's always the same. [00:58:07][0.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:08] Looking for a free T-shirt, that's it. That's it, that's it. Oh, Rich says things are picking up, keep it up, guys. [00:58:17][9.2]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:18] Picking up. What does that mean? [00:58:19][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:20] I don't know, picking up. [00:58:22][2.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:58:23] He's getting an erection. [00:58:23][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:24] I think he said - yeah. That's why he's like keep it up, guys. Rich, put your pants on, Rich. [00:58:29][4.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:31] So whose approval are we getting now? [00:58:32][1.5]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:34] Spics. [00:58:34][0.0]

Amy Bugbee: [00:58:34] Yeah. How's our approval rating? [00:58:36][1.3]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:37] Yeah, well, well Rich? You know, you can always call us. [00:58:43][6.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:58:45] He can be our first guest. [00:58:46][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:47] Hello? Is this thing on? Hello? I think we're off the air. I don't hear anything. Hello? [00:58:54][6.6]

Doug Misicko: [00:58:55] You don't have the headsets on. [00:58:56][1.1]

Shane Bugbee: [00:58:57] Oh, that's it. Oh, yeah, we still got twenty three hours to go. [00:59:00][3.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:59:01] What have we gotten ourselves into? [00:59:03][1.4]

Doug Misicko: [00:59:04] Have Gerod call in, I want to talk to Gerod. He's piqued my curiosity. Now the motherfucker keeps up on this shit. [00:59:10][6.1]

Amy Bugbee: [00:59:10] You can dial us up! [00:59:11][1.0]

Shane Bugbee: [00:59:12] Hey, put your pants back on, Gerod. Don't call, he's got his pants off. Gerod - oh, Gerod's website. Let me get you that website. It's really cool, his emails take a fucking - you just time to open up because it's so - OK, he's got two websites. One is Gerod Staaf and he spells it like goth guys. So maybe J-E-R-O-D-S-T-A-A-F [sic], dot com and then the other one is S-T-A-A-F, only, dot com. Gerod, you should post something up on that Radio Free Satan community board, or whatever it is, and give yourself a plug [00:59:52][39.9]

Doug Misicko: [00:59:53] Give them a number. We got to ask him about him. [00:59:54][1.8]

Doug Misicko: [00:59:55] Give him a number. Gerod, you know, I'll email your number and you can call me, Gerod. [00:59:58][3.5]

Doug Misicko: [00:59:59] There you go. [00:59:59][0.3]

Hour 2

Amy Bugbee: [01:00:00] Are you afraid the phone lines will be swamped if we say the number over the air? [01:00:03][3.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:04] Yeah, no, I'm just afraid Rich might call us. Oh! I don't think Rich has us on the air anymore. Well, the real reason we play that noise CD is we wanted to promote stuff. [01:00:21][16.9]

Doug Misicko: [01:00:22] And there's a lot of stuff on that CD, yeah,. [01:00:26][3.7]

Amy Bugbee: [01:00:27] It's very promotional stuff. [01:00:27][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:28] We wanted to drive Rich away, so he wasn't listening so we could really. [01:00:31][2.5]

Amy Bugbee: [01:00:32] So we don't have to run the disclaimer. [01:00:33][1.2]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:34] Yeah, we didn't want to run that disclaimer, but we're going to run it. All right, Jerod Staff, call if you dare. [01:00:42][8.1]

Amy Bugbee: [01:00:45] We'll try to figure out the phones. [01:00:45][0.9]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:47] Yeah, we'll try. And for the rest of you -. [01:00:50][2.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:00:50] It looks fairly basic. [01:00:52][2.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:00:54] And for the rest of you, go to hell. [01:00:56][1.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:00:58] Yeah. [01:00:58][0.0]

Voiceover: [01:01:01] Some of the opinions and topics expressed on this program may be objectionable to some people. The opinions expressed in this program are solely the opinions of the individuals who express them. They are not necessarily the opinions of any member of Radio Free Satan or Mephisto Media. Some of them are the opinions of people we don't even know, and some of them are the opinions of people that we just made up. If you're offended by something on this program, please just don't listen. If you're tempted by what you hear on this program to do something potentially dangerous or illegal, you are an idiot. And we refuse to be held responsible for your stupidity. In short, don't try this at home or at all. [01:01:41][39.9]

Voiceover: [01:01:42] OK, Radio Free Satan promo, here we go. This is about as close to being spoonfed Satanism as you're going to get. Now you are listening to the funky, funky sound of Radio Free Satan, daddy-o. Hello, this is David Harris and you are listening to Radio Free Satan, the uncomfortable alternative. This is Reverend Paradise from Heavy Metal Memories. Straight from hell. If you play this message backwards, it sounds like you are listening to Radio Free Satan. Honest. You think you know me, but you only know my name, either damn fine music or infernal voice. Which is just what you're about to hear. The hellbound sounds, showcasing the evil powers of rock 'n roll music. The soundtrack of rebellion. The best damn music on the Internet. On Radio Free Satan.com. [01:03:04][82.2]

Unidentified: [01:03:11] Sounds like fun. So while I put my pants back on, I'm going to throw some rock at you. Hail Satan. Horns up. [01:03:19][7.5]

Voiceover: [01:03:26] I'm not wearing any pants. Film at -. [01:03:29][2.5]

First Gerod Staaf Call

Gerod Staaf: [01:03:29] Fantastic, I wanted to tell you as well that I lost [01:03:34][5.4]

Shane Bugbee: [01:03:37] Gerod, shh. [01:03:37][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:03:38] Now we're on the air again. And Gerod did call in. [01:03:42][3.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:03:43] Speak Gerod. [01:03:46][2.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:03:48] How are you doing? [01:03:48][0.5]

Gerod Staaf: [01:03:49] Fantastic. It's very cold up here in Canada. Excellent climate for Vikings. [01:03:54][5.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:03:56] Wow. So, Gerod, [01:03:58][1.4]

Doug Misicko: [01:03:59] let's not take this on a low moral plane. [01:04:00][1.7]

[01:04:02] Oh! Hey, Amy's a Viking. [01:04:04][2.7]

Gerod Staaf: [01:04:05] I think part of the problem is that I, I, I've lost connection with RadioFreeSatan.com on our computer for some reason. I keep trying to get back into it and I can't get back into it. [01:04:15][10.5]

Doug Misicko: [01:04:16] Oh, maybe they pulled the plug. [01:04:17][0.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:04:18] Really. [01:04:18][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:04:24] Just talk to Gerod, please. Hey, Gerod, can you hear me? [01:04:26][2.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:04:30] Can he hear you? [01:04:31][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [01:04:31] Gerod, can you hear me? Gerod, Gerod, can you hear me, Gerod? [01:04:38][7.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:04:40] All right. I think Gerod's - [disconnect tone]. [01:04:46][6.1]

Doug Misicko: [01:04:46] Aw, come on. [01:04:46][0.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:04:48] Hey, this is all Rich's fault. The fucking guy running Radio Free Satan, I don't know about this. [01:04:54][5.7]

Amy Bugbee: [01:04:54] Well, maybe he'll call back. I'll take down the receiver button while we're waiting. [01:05:00][6.0]

Doug Misicko: [01:05:00] Well, we can we can issue a plea to him because apparently he can't sign on. [01:05:05][4.4]

Amy Bugbee: [01:05:05] Yeah, Rich, I think we're losing we're losing the listeners because - because he's getting signed off. You heard him. He said he quit listening because he got signed off and he can't sign back on. It's the government plot against us. [01:05:18][13.1]

Doug Misicko: [01:05:19] And you know what they say. If one person says that, there's a hundred others who haven't called in to tell us that. [01:05:24][4.7]

Shane Bugbee: [01:05:25] I don't even think anyone can hear us, okay? [01:05:26][1.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:05:27] Maybe there's just so many listeners, it's overloaded on the server. [01:05:29][2.7]

Shane Bugbee: [01:05:30] I think that's what is the problem - I think that's what the problem is, Rich. That noise music drives the people to your servers so massively they are getting shoved away by some electronic gremlin [01:05:41][10.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:05:42] Noise is huge. When we had Boyd Rice play the expo, he had four fans that showed up! [01:05:48][5.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:05:50] Four, count 'em, four! And he wanted to get paid. Now the cocksucker goes around the country telling people, I don't pay him. He won't call me and tell me. I invited him out here tonight to tell me. And the motherfucker doesn't say a thing, does he? I think Boyd Rice is going to be my bitch someday, okay? Soon. You hear me, Mr. Rice? A Roni, San Franciscan treat? I'm coming for you, buddy. All right, you guys can talk a little. [01:06:16][25.5]

Amy Bugbee: [01:06:16] All right, well, maybe Gerod will call back. [01:06:18][1.6]

Shane Bugbee: [01:06:19] Jared, let everyone know he's the guy in the Subway commercials. [01:06:22][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [01:06:24] Big moment, too, and what happened? [01:06:25][0.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:06:25] He was so excited. I feel so bad for him. [01:06:28][2.8]

Doug Misicko: [01:06:28] He said something about Vikings. He was a little quiet to me [01:06:30][1.6]

Amy Bugbee: [01:06:31] That was the end of it for him. [01:06:32][1.2]

Doug Misicko: [01:06:33] Sorry, Gerod. We're working out our kinks, in more than one way, and it just happened, man, that just happened. Sorry about that. We tried to make shit happen. It'll happen. I did send him an email. Listen, you keep barking out orders and you're going to have nothing to bark with, buddy. [01:06:52][18.6]

Doug Misicko: [01:06:53] All right. Just send that e-mail. [01:06:53][0.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:06:54] You know, this radio show is supposed to kick off Shane's new Radio Free Satan weekly radio show. That'll be, how long will it be Shane, an hour? [01:07:05][11.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:07:05] Three, three, six hours. Every day. I was going to talk about what I'm watching on TV, Rich is really into that shit. [01:07:12][6.4]

Amy Bugbee: [01:07:12] So rather than start it with a short show to get used to it, Shane has decided to start it with a 24 hour live broadcast. So by the end, we should be fist fighting and drooling and making no sense. [01:07:26][14.1]

Doug Misicko: [01:07:27] Well, the three of us haven't slept to begin with anyways, and we're just getting started. [01:07:30][3.4]

Shane Bugbee: [01:07:31] Yeah. So wait till we start drinking. But what we have coming up here is another hour long piece. It's it's really. It's a very emotional thing, Waco. It's about Waco and what does it have to do with 9/11 and Might Is Right? Well, not a lot, except there was a burning building. A lot of kids got killed. I feel bad for the people at Waco, almost. You know, just because the government just went in and squashed people. I would like to see the government squashed once in a while by people. So I don't know if I felt bad for them, but it's a good, a good little piece of tape that we have and no one's heard it. It's unreleased. We - me and my wife Amy here - whore that she is, of horror. You see where we get a divorce, we go to court, she says, he called me a whore! I say, the fucking girl, has got a website that says she's a whore! No, but we went down to Waco, we went down to Waco and we went and met with the survivor and half his body was burned. And it was really, I don't know, really compelling, the whole thing being there and standing on that ground and watching, looking at like little toys that were burned into the ground with tank tracks on top of them. It was beautiful in its own special way, you know, seeing little kids, fingernail still there, stuff like that was fucked up. You know, if I could only have seen Auschwitz fresh, been a little similar. [01:09:04][92.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:09:05] A great movie to get is Waco Rules of Engagement. That really shows what happened there. And it's just such a tragedy. And it's also what inspired the Oklahoma City bombing. [01:09:17][11.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:09:17] Yeah, exactly. [01:09:18][0.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:09:19] For a while, some of Koresh's adherents who are still alive and still believed in the cause or whatever. They had a website and they'd send you free shit if you sent them an email. I don't know if they do that anymore, but they'd send you a book, "The Seven Seals." [01:09:35][16.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:09:36] Yeah, I got one. [01:09:37][0.6]

Doug Misicko: [01:09:37] Yeah, I got one too. A big Q and A book and it talks about, you know, Koresh, his interpretation of the Bible or whatever. It was a bunch of bullshit and it's hard to get through. [01:09:48][11.1]

Shane Bugbee: [01:09:48] They don't do it for free anymore, but they do it for like five bucks. It's worth it though. It's really crazy shit, that's for sure. [01:09:53][4.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:09:54] Well, when we went there, we went to the visitor's center and we met with one of the survivors and his mother. And I forgot what I was going to say. [01:10:04][9.5]

Shane Bugbee: [01:10:04] Yeah, we got twenty three hours now. But I'll tell you, the funny thing about them was that we did an interview with them and got some tapes off them. Like I said, no one's heard this stuff, but it was really their religion. It's about Christianity and all this bullshit. But I appreciated that they were just calling for Armageddon. They wanted the end of the world. They really were into the end of the world. Is that what you're going to talk about? [01:10:30][26.0]

Amy Bugbee: [01:10:30] Yes, that's what I was going to say. [01:10:32][1.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:10:32] They said, they said we want everything destroyed because the chosen, the God's people will rise above the flames. And I'm all with that. You know, I don't - I'm not for God's people, but I'm just for burning the place down. Strongest survive. [01:10:47][15.0]

Amy Bugbee: [01:10:47] Well, we should definitely make a drinking game or something for every time one of us loses our train of thought, that would be good. But the great thing was when we went down to Waco and we were interviewing them on video and the video, I would stop the video to change the video or get a different angle. And they would talk really calmly and, you know, brotherly love and this and that. And then when the camera was off, all of a sudden they were like Nazis, you know, they hated everyone. They hated everyone that didn't. They just believed everyone should be dead who didn't agree with their beliefs. And I thought that was really admirable. [01:11:27][40.0]

Doug Misicko: [01:11:29] Right. Well, it becomes easier when they're insulated as a cult. Everybody else becomes the enemy. Everybody who thinks differently. [01:11:38][8.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:11:39] Exactly. But they were really fascinating and very friendly and very accommodating. We were there the day before Timothy McVeigh was executed and there were a lot of reporters there and stuff, and they really took the time to talk to us. So that was nice. It's a shame. Of course, I don't have the video, my three hour interview, video -. [01:12:01][21.4]

Doug Misicko: [01:12:01] What happened to that three hour interview? [01:12:03][2.4]

Amy Bugbee: [01:12:05] It's a sad long story, but we were doing -. [01:12:12][7.3]

Doug Misicko: [01:12:12] Twenty three hours. [01:12:12][0.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:12:13] We were - Shane and myself and a number of artists that Shane publishes because I don't know our listeners, our five listeners may or may not know that. Shane founded Michael Hunt Publishing and he's done a lot of stuff - [01:12:32][19.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:12:33] I founded everything that you are even touching in your house. I founded it all [01:12:36][3.4]

Amy Bugbee: [01:12:38] Over the last 15 years or so he's done magazines and books and videos. CDs and all kinds of stuff, extremely controversial stuff and really very important stuff, and we had done this tour, the Angry White Male Tour. And I had taped somewhere around 30 hours of performance and interviews. I had an interview with Max Hardcore. I had great interviews with incredible people. I had a guy slip slide through 20 feet of vomit. I mean, I just had incredible stuff. I had Jim Goad freak out and have a huge argument with Shane live on video. [01:13:22][43.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:13:22] Oh, no, no, no, no. You had Jim Goad walking away from me. [01:13:26][3.6]

Amy Bugbee: [01:13:26] That's right. [01:13:26][0.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:13:27] He said that fucking old fucking man. And I hope you're listening bitch, you're my bitch. You and Boyd Rice, I'd fuck you both at the same time. [01:13:33][6.1]

Doug Misicko: [01:13:33] Give us a call! [01:13:34][0.4]

Shane Bugbee: [01:13:35] Give us a call, punk! The number. I'll give you the number. You email me motherfucker. But I'll tell you one thing. Yeah. We get in a fight. He goes, 'I'm going to knock your block off! If I weren't on parole, I'd knock your block off!' And I said, I ain't telling anybody. And he got so angry, he ran out of the room, got on a plane and left Las Vegas the same night. Now, that is a fucking pussy to me. I don't give a fuck. Where I come from, that's a fucking pussy. [01:13:59][24.2]

Amy Bugbee: [01:13:59] You know, he was just out of crack. [01:14:00][0.9]

Shane Bugbee: [01:14:01] Yeah, he's a crack addict and he's a fucking disappointment. He fucked four hundred pound niggers on a road. He's disgusting, he's a disgusting person. I could go on all day. Don't ever bring that guy's name up. I'm going to get so angry I'm gonna smash things. [01:14:12][10.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:14:12] OK, well anyway, so we got back from the airport and we were on this flight that almost crashed and it was horrible and I was puking my guts out on the plane. And then we took a cab home and we got everything out of the taxi and we brought it all in the house. And my video bag was there and we went upstairs to relax for a little bit. And then about an hour later, we went down to get the videos, to start watching them. And they were gone. Everything was gone. So stolen. They must have been stolen out of our door. Someone must have come in. Now, I have my conspiracy theories about it, but I don't know. So it's the last movie -. [01:14:58][45.4]

Doug Misicko: [01:14:59] That cunt Janet Reno send people over? [01:15:01][1.9]

Amy Bugbee: [01:15:01] I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, we were there the day before McVeigh died, so I'm sure that we were being watched. [01:15:05][4.2]

Shane Bugbee: [01:15:08] That's fucked up. We lost a lot of good footage of very historical stuff. Too bad the world didn't get to see it. Too bad the world wasn't in those buildings that burned down at Waco too. [01:15:17][9.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:15:18] And unfortunately, if a good Samaritan would have found my video camera or anything - [01:15:22][4.3]

Doug Misicko: [01:15:24] He would have gotten a free Might Is Right T-shirt tonight! [01:15:25][0.3]

Amy Bugbee: [01:15:28] If they would have rewound the video a little bit to see what was on there. The last scene was a toothless hooker. [01:15:35][7.1]

Shane Bugbee: [01:15:35] I paid this toothless hooker - [01:15:36][0.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:15:36] fucking a comic book. [01:15:37][0.6]

Shane Bugbee: [01:15:38] I paid this toothless hooker twenty bucks to fuck one of Mike Diana's comic books. And it was disgusting, that's for sure. [01:15:46][7.7]

Doug Misicko: [01:15:46] Fucking Gerod. Gerod probably stole your videos. That dude's probably stalking you. [01:15:49][2.0]

Shane Bugbee: [01:15:52] Gerod, what do you have to say about that? Radio Free Satan won't let you back on their server is what you're telling me. So you can't hear the show. People are dropping off like flies. This is fucking nuts, man. What the fuck are we doing here? But no, literally, we're going to - this is a Waco chunk of stuff that the guy from Waco gave me. Very few people have this. And I know it's never been broadcast. It's something special. I think we're going to start with trying to play a record safe. I'm breaking a ton of cherries here tonight. I'm bleeding everywhere. But this is the first time we're going to play a record on this radio show. So let's play. Let's try. This is - um, who is this? [01:16:31][38.8]

Amy Bugbee: [01:16:31] This is The Beast. And this song is for Shane. [01:16:34][2.7]

Shane Bugbee: [01:16:35] Whoa. Well, this one is going out to Gerod. Not to me. To Gerod. Come on, Amy, hit it, one, two, three. Hello, is this thing on? We've got it. Let's start over again. Wait, wait, wait. Stop it. All right, you didn't hear the last two minutes, you didn't hear the last two minutes, you didn't hear the last. All right. This one is going out to Gerod. Just fucked it up again. [01:17:55][80.3]

Shane Bugbee: [01:21:19] Testing, testing is this thing on? Hello, testing. I don't think this fucking shit is working. Hello. Hello. Testing, is this - hello? Hello. Testing. Hello. Is this thing on? This fucking internet broadcasting. What the, fuck this fucking stupid computer. Hello. Hello. Is this thing on? Oh, fuck it, man fucking shit. Mother fucking motherfucking shit computer. God damn it! Hello, hello. Oh, shit, I think this shit works. [01:21:52][33.1]

Unidentified: [01:24:24] Yeah, I I've been getting some harassing emails, machine bombi? I don't how he got my email address. I don't want any more emails from him ever again. I'm on this email list of his and he's trying to send me something. I'm a writer. I don't think you guys want any bad press for whatever label you have, whatever kind of band you're trying to push. But I really don't appreciate getting these emails from him. I want to be taken off the list. If I don't get taken off the list, and I stop getting these harassing emails from him, I'm just going to have to keep calling this phone number and just charging up this stupid fucking line wherever you guys are trying to sell. I don't want any more emails from him. Thanks a lot. [01:24:56][32.6]

David Koresh Documentary

Voiceover: [01:27:24] All that remains today of the Branch Davidian church home near Waco, Texas, is a pile of rubble and a lot of unanswered questions [01:27:30][6.3]

Voiceover: [01:27:34] It did not have to end that way. But man is so impatient. That man thinks he's so intelligent. He tries to outdo God. What the people did not understand is that they were fighting God. And if you read Psalms, too, you'll find out that God is laughing at people who think they have won the war. It's his war. And he'll finish it. [01:28:04][30.2]

Voiceover: [01:28:15] Anybody who has met any of us Davidians, Branch Davidians, has said when we meet you, we see how intelligent, how honest, how just what you're like. And that's not the picture that's been painted in the media as what we are at all. They've said cultists, you know, and you've seen a picture of a building and pictures have been painted in your minds about who we were and what we were and what we believed and what we stood for. People said we were, we were brainwashed. We're mind controlled. Those things were not true at all. We were all there studying the Bible because we could see that David had something to teach that nobody else did. [01:28:46][31.7]

Voiceover: [01:28:47] The Branch Davidian doctrine is often misunderstood, and it was over a difference of interpretation of the Book of Revelations that led its founder, Victor Houteff, to leave the Seventh Day Adventist Church. [01:28:58][10.7]

Voiceover: [01:28:59] We believe that the Bible in its entirety, from the Book of Genesis all the way through the Book of Revelation, including some books that were not included in the in the King James Bible, are all prophetic. And they all point to the times that we're coming to today. [01:29:17][18.6]

Voiceover: [01:29:19] He moved his followers from Los Angeles to Waco, Texas, in 1935, purchased a property near Lake Waco and established the Mount Carmel Center. This original property was later sold and the church moved to a location about 12 miles east of Waco. They believe the return of Christ was imminent, and in 1959, about 900 church members gathered here at the new Mount Carmel to await the second coming. In this rare interview, Branch Davidian spokesman Dudley Gothe explained the biblical basis for their religious beliefs and the purpose in his gathering. All nations they are to battle is that he might prepare the land, so that he can set up his kingdom, so that his people might return there and set up his kingdom in compliance or in fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel 2:44, where the Lord says he's going to set up his kingdom down in the last days. That particular prophecy is brought out on this small child. [01:30:22][63.3]

Voiceover: [01:30:22] Unlike mainstream Protestant theology, the Branch Davidian is do not believe there will be a rapture of the church. They believe Christians will endure the tribulation and suffer persecution for their faith. [01:30:33][10.7]

Voiceover: [01:30:34] ...The image to pieces. And Daniel said that this stone is God's kingdom that is set up in the days of these all these things that are represented by the tolls. [01:30:42][7.6]

Voiceover: [01:30:43] We have come down to the stores of time, the feet of the image to be divided. Daniel saw our day. He saw exactly what would happen and he was told in Daniel 12. Daniel and Revelation are two books that go hand in hand. [01:31:03][19.2]

Voiceover: [01:31:04] After the death of Victor Houteff in 1955, church leadership went to Benjamin and Lois Roden. But over the years, their numbers slowly dwindled away. When Vernon Howell, who later changed his name to David Koresh, appeared on the scene in the 1980s, many thought it was a sign. [01:31:23][18.4]

Voiceover: [01:31:24] It is best that's everything he tried, he did his best, and he made an effort to let us know he cared about us and he was from the beginning, from Palestine up until the time when we saw the big house there. He was always improving our life, always trying. Every living soul that accepts Christianity, I challenge them to show me the seven seals of Revelation four and five, and if they can't do it, then I show them. And if they're honest, they'll see it. [01:31:51][27.2]

Voiceover: [01:31:52] Like many survivalist groups today, the Branch Davidians began to prepare for the coming persecution. They purchased weapons for self-defense, and stored food supplies to sustain them. [01:32:04][11.5]

Voiceover: [01:32:05] A lot of people vilify the Branch Davidians because they had a lot of food, they had a lot of ammo. They were sort of separatist survivalist waiting for Armageddon. And you know why you might not want that sort of person living next door to you? There's really nothing wrong with it. There's nothing illegal about it. There's nothing that... [01:32:23][17.7]

Voiceover: [01:32:24] When a disgruntled church member, Mark Breault, was expelled for improper conduct, he went to the authorities with fabricated stories of child molesting and weapons violations. [01:32:34][9.7]

Voiceover: [01:32:35] Him having sex with underage girls was and molesting children and so forth was something that was cooked up by members who were booted out for immoral behavior. And and the FBI and the ATF - it was a good excuse to do what they did out of Mount Carmel. [01:32:54][19.4]

Voiceover: [01:32:55] The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms was originally established to collect taxes for the US Treasury Department. Today, their mission is the disarming of the American civilian population. Therefore, the Branch Davidian church near Waco became a target for extermination. Branch Davidian church members compare it to an attack on a Viet Cong village made even more curious by the newspaper articles that had just been released. In a display of flagrant disregard, The Waco Tribune-Herald began running a series of reports about the Branch Davidians on the same day of the ATF assault. Equally curious is the fact that it was the undercover agent, Robert Rodriguez, who brought copies of the newspaper to Mount Carmel, that very morning. [01:34:10][74.8]

Voiceover: [01:34:11] papers were brought in in the morning by Robert. And I was down - I came down there when he was showing them to the different people that were down there and. I read a little bit about it, but then one of the men went out and got some of the papers and brought them back, and a little later I came back down and picked a paper up to bring it up to my room to read it completely. And I noticed they - two calcars coming in. And pull up in front and I ran upstairs, read the paper, I thought the men were going to do something. With that, I -. [01:35:01][49.9]

Voiceover: [01:35:01] Catherine went upstairs to her room, and the attack on Mount Carmel began [01:35:04][2.8]

Voiceover: [01:35:07] After I had gotten upstairs, I heard three helicopters. Reason I know there were three because I looked out the window to see where they were, what they were doing, and they were firing on us. [01:35:20][12.9]

Voiceover: [01:35:21] With a search warrant of questionable legality, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms launched a raid on the Branch Davidian church. It was Sunday morning, February 28, 1993, and Catherine Mathis was absolutely positive that government agents fired the first shots. [01:35:39][18.2]

Voiceover: [01:35:41] I saw and I heard it, and they were - I was in the back of the building, that's where my room was, and they were firing toward David's room. And they turned, and when they turned, I fell to the floor because I could see, that those bullets could have hit me if I were standing, so they went to the front of the building and. It seemed like when they got in the front, by the time they got to the front, they were firing again and so, all the others were fired. [01:36:19][37.7]

Voiceover: [01:36:20] when questioned further about her observations that day, Catherine was adamant. She was certain of what she saw and heard. [01:36:28][8.0]

Voiceover: [01:36:30] Definitely they were the only ones I heard and saw at the time that they were coming in in the helicopter. They're - There was no one else firing. [01:36:42][12.6]

Voiceover: [01:36:44] Questioned separately, Annetta Richards' testimony is virtually identical to that of Catherine Matteson's. [01:36:50][6.0]

Voiceover: [01:36:51] I was actually getting ready for worship. And. I heard a noise like a helicopter, and then I heard bullets start firing, you know, bullets are coming in from every direction and the helicopters were flying over the building. It was - the sound of it was so low that by the time I saw it, they had landed on the roof. [01:37:18][26.8]

Voiceover: [01:37:29] Bullets were coming from all directions, and I heard a voice saying get down. So those of us who were there in the hallway went down, on the floor on our tummy, on our hands and feet. And I looked around and I saw some children, so I took them close to me and there was a baby, a little 10 year old girl was holding her. And I took the baby from her and, like, hovering with my body over the baby's, so that if a bullet came through, it would hit me instead of the baby. [01:38:15][46.0]

Voiceover: [01:38:16] There is corroboration for their testimony of gunfire from the helicopters. It comes from one of the Branch Davidian children who left Mount Carmel that evening and was later told by psychologist Dr. Bruce Perry that I asked her, is there anything else? She took her crayon and went. And I asked what that was. And she said that was bullets. No sooner had the dust settled than the ATF began to lie and cover up about their actions during the raid, the way they acted as though the Branch Davidian had come looking for them. [01:38:54][38.0]

Voiceover: [01:38:55] The main problem we had. I don't believe is that we were outmaneuvered or out. The problem we have is that we were outgunned. [01:39:01][6.0]

Voiceover: [01:39:02] Fed up with the obvious lies, a young independent investigator named Ron Cole decided it was time to get involved and packed his bags and headed for Waco. After talking with eyewitnesses and conducting his own research, Ron Cole arrived at the obvious conclusion using a scale model of Mount Carmel. He relates the sequence of events that fateful Sunday morning. [01:39:26][23.3]

Voiceover: [01:39:26] Those people that I've talked to that were in a position to see the helicopters indicate the helicopters fired first, whereas those that were at the front of the center couldn't see the helicopters, could hear them, but saw the agents exiting the cattle trailers. They say the first shots came from these ATF agents at the front. That's why I'm saying it seems to me the shots were fired from agents at the front and from the helicopters within seconds of each other, which means there would not have been enough time for some emergency code word to have been used or for someone else inside to fire the first shot that would have initiated simultaneous fire from the ground and from the air within seconds of each other. That indicates to me that this was planned in advance. It was a frontal assault from the ground and air support coming in from the back, simultaneous preplanned attack. [01:40:15][48.3]

[01:40:16] And practice for it, drilled over and over again. And we had a plan down. We had a diversion down. [01:40:24][8.0]

Voiceover: [01:40:26] When the ATF agents arrived at Mount Carmel, they should have noticed the Branch Davidian men were not where they were expected to be. Ron Cole explains. [01:40:34][8.2]

Voiceover: [01:40:35] When the two ATF controllers pulled into the driveway from Iran, strode out front of the property, the team that was in the first cattle trailer, they were supposed to exit the trailer here and go to the under-construction tornado shelters where they thought most of the men would be that morning trying to finish up the shelters themselves. The second trailer, they were supposed to disembark and crashed through the front door part of the team. The other part of the team was to come around the side up these ladders into what they thought was the gun room, another small part of that second cattle trailer team. They were supposed to go and suppress the dogs, either with a fire extinguisher or if need be, with gunshots. In fact, so far, the testimony that's come out of the trial is that the opening shots may, in fact, have been fired by ATF agents at the cattle trailers. [01:41:31][56.0]

Voiceover: [01:41:32] When David Koresh saw the ATF agents pulling out of the cattle trailers, he opened the front door and made an attempt to stop the attack. I opened the front door. [01:41:41][9.4]

Voiceover: [01:41:42] They were running up their tactical expertize. They got their guns changed and everything. They started hollering, you know, all of hollered. I didn't know what they were saying. And I was already hollering. I was saying, you know, hey, go away. You know, I was hollering, go away. There's women and children here. Let's talk. They started firing at me. [01:42:05][22.6]

Voiceover: [01:42:06] And so what happened was, is that I fell back and the bullets started coming to the door. And so then what had some of the some of the young men and stuff started firing on him. Courageous version of the attack was later confirmed by Bradbrook in a phone call from the McLennan County jail. When they shut down, they did open the door [01:42:27][21.1]

Voiceover: [01:42:27] and they hand out the older women and children at [01:42:30][3.1]

Voiceover: [01:42:31] the door and I'll be the boiler. And that boy slammed the door at six. Branch Davidian were killed during the attack. Among them was Australian born Peter Jiah, who was working inside the old water tower and simply looked out to see what was going on. [01:42:46][14.6]

Voiceover: [01:42:47] It was shot here on top of the water tower while he was working, cleaning out the inside of the water tower. He came to the top level that he had built. He built up several levels so he could clean out the inside of it from top to bottom. And when he walked up over the top level there, he was shot. [01:43:09][22.1]

Voiceover: [01:43:10] David Koresh, his father in law, Harry Jones, was standing behind him when he opened the front door. Jones took several bullets meant for Koresh and died about an hour later. [01:43:21][10.7]

Voiceover: [01:43:22] The child's testimony to Dr Perry concerning the holes with that, she drew in the room, corroborate with what a lot of other people that were in there said, including Katherine Madsen and Dick DeGuerin. Dick DeGuerin was interviewed by Diane Sawyer on ABC Primetime, and he stated in this interview that he clearly saw its. The ceiling, as it appeared, looked quote unquote, like Swiss cheese because it had holes all in it from bullets fired through the roof, the only way, obviously these bullet holes could be in the ceiling from the through the roof is from helicopter fire. And I've talked to David Jones, a little six year old daughter, and I asked her, what did you do on February 28? What happened? And she said that bullets started coming through the roof and she ran and hid under her bed. And her brother, who was a couple of years older than her, ran down the hall into the stairwell. As a matter of fact, Winston Blake, who was one of the people killed inside Mount Carmel on the first day. He was found with a bullet hole through the top of his head and he was still holding a piece of French toast. I was terrified when I heard the bullets coming because it was like, you know, it was so frightening. You hear the bullets coming in, you don't know why we're so there was nothing you could do, you know. It was frightening. Nobody had any time to prepare for anything. It was just so sudden. [01:45:03][101.1]

Voiceover: [01:45:04] The last shooting that day occurred around seven p.m. and was reported by the news media in this manner [01:45:10][5.8]

Voiceover: [01:45:11] a couple of hours ago, about seven o'clock tonight, there was more gunfire. Three members of the cult came out of the compound firing at ATF agents. One of the members was killed, another was taken into custody, [01:45:22][10.9]

Voiceover: [01:45:23] and a third was that news report was a complete lie. Once again, Ron Cole sets the record straight. [01:45:29][6.4]

Voiceover: [01:45:30] Mike Schroeder, Bob Kendrick and Norman Allison were not inside Mount Carmel Center in the morning of February 28 when this raid took place. All three of them were at the mag bag several miles away when they heard about the raid on the radio. They made the decision after hearing about the raid to try to get back home. Mike Schroeder had his wife, his baby boy inside. Nobody knew who was alive or dead or what had happened. Exactly. Mike Schroeder attempted a mad dash from off the property trying to get over this fence into the paint shop on Mount Carmel. Unfortunately, he was seen by Special Agent Daryl Dyer, who had his outpost set up since before the raid in the Heyburn off the property. Mike ran towards this fence and although he was unarmed, well, he was armed with nothing but a stun gun. Dale Dyer emptied his 30 round submachine gun magazine into Mike, striking seven times in the back. Agent Dyer fired one burst at him, but somehow Mike kept struggling, got about 10 feet from the property line here and where you see these sections cut off at this tree. That's where his body rest for several days before they saw fit to remove it. [01:46:44][73.3]

Voiceover: [01:46:46] The official reason for the raid on Mount Carmel was to search for illegal weapons and arrest David Koresh. However, as it turns out, most of the guns were not even there. [01:46:56][9.8]

Voiceover: [01:46:56] We did have somewhat of a collection, but the weapons were never intended to. Paul Fatah, who worked at gun shows all over Texas and end up at Mount Carmel, who in fact was responsible for most of the gun purchases through the mag bag he rented out on February 28. That morning, while the raid took place, he was at a gun show in Austin with his son, along with most of the weapons that the ATF had come there to seize. There was a business that David was conducting, selling firearms. [01:47:28][31.8]

Voiceover: [01:47:30] Paul Fada and David Koresh sold guns and other merchandise at gun shows, as do many gun dealers. This was a perfectly legitimate enterprise and gave David Koresh a chance to talk to people about his religious beliefs. I met the guy one time real briefly at a gun show a couple of years ago. I was passing out fliers and and he wanted to talk guns in the Bible. So the ATF, he wasn't looking for Bibles when they raided Mount Carmel, but they should have known that most of the guns were in Austin with Paul Fatah. [01:48:02][32.9]

Voiceover: [01:48:04] The ATF had an undercover house across the street a hundred yards away from the front door. McConnell said they had that place under surveillance 24 hours a day, every day for weeks prior to February 28 raid. And they had to be aware of the fact that Paul was working these gun shows. And it seems to me unless they're completely ignorant of reality, they ought to have been able to see from 100 yards away Paul leaving to go to this gun show. And after weeks of surveillance and several of these shows should have figured out that the vast majority of those weapons would not have even been there. [01:48:39][36.0]

Voiceover: [01:48:41] Guns may not have been the only thing the ATF was looking for. [01:48:44][3.5]

Voiceover: [01:48:45] Jeff Little was an analyst, a computer analyst for Yamaha of Americas headquarters in Winter Park, California, and [01:48:55][9.8]

Voiceover: [01:48:56] writes Floridians Jeff Little and Wayne Martin had been conducting their own investigation of the ATF using computers located inside Mount Carmel. [01:49:06][9.2]

Voiceover: [01:49:06] I think that the possibilities for Jeff Little and Wayne more to have been able to tap into information concerning the ATF or any other part of the federal government would be very high. I saw some information. They were collecting information on all of the ATF activities over the last several years. [01:49:29][23.0]

Voiceover: [01:49:31] In April of 1991, after Operation Desert Storm Marine Corps fast sealift vessels returned to Port Arthur, Texas, a ship's officer who refused an interview and does not wish to be identified says that his ship's cargo hold was full of helicopters. Concealed inside the helicopters were thousands of weapons confiscated from captured Iraqi soldiers. These helicopters with weapons inside were then loaded onto flatbed railcars and shipped to Fort Sill, Oklahoma. It is believed that these firearms are intended for distribution to American street gangs, which are currently being converted by police agencies into law enforcement units. The weapons, of course, would not be traceable. These gangs working with the ATF will be used to enter civilian homes to confiscate weapons. Is it possible that Jeff Little and Wayne Martin access classified government [01:50:31][60.8]

Voiceover: [01:50:32] computer files through a back door? They had obtained this information. [01:50:36][4.1]

Voiceover: [01:50:38] Yeah, I think that it's it's very possible that there could have been some kind of information that they had on the computer inside the the building there, that was information the ATF did not want to get out. And I think they seem to be awfully anxious to to get into that one window that they that everyone saw them going into. And there's a possibility it might have been something besides guns they were after. [01:51:09][31.9]

Voiceover: [01:51:25] Evening settled in over the dark hills of central Texas and the long siege began, 51 days of Tarong, 51 days of darkness, hope and frustration in all of America lived through it. Never before in the history of law enforcement had so many personnel exerted so much effort for so little reason. The search warrant primarily listed conversion kits, which may have altered an AR 15 assault rifle, which might have been installed by the Branch Davidian, which could have created an illegal machine gun to make such a weapon legal, a 200 dollar tax must be paid. Therefore, the ATF and FBI ultimately spent seven million dollars in order [01:52:19][53.3]

Voiceover: [01:52:19] to collect 200 bucks. [01:52:20][1.5]

Voiceover: [01:52:25] The police believe David Koresh was a vicious criminal and guilty of kidnaping, rape, murder and all sorts of heinous crimes. No, they did not. McLennan County Sheriff Jack Farwell knew David on a first name basis. And in 1987, following a shootout with George Roden, had arrested David and searched the property without incident. Americans everywhere sat in the comfort of their homes and watched the drama unfold. They witnessed the trampling of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Those who seek to control guns will also try to control people. Those who control the masses care not for the lives of innocent men, women and children. The standoff at Mount Carmel gradually evolved into a surreal cosmic struggle between good and evil, freedom and slavery, free will and tyranny. The next day, Monday, March one dawned clear and bright, however, a radio talk show host in Dallas, Ron Engelmann, refused to tow the official government line and took up the cause of the Branch Davidian. [01:53:48][83.4]

Voiceover: [01:53:50] I see you guys out there and I'll give you that book out there. The next agreement I'm going to give you, if you can take the other one in Liberia. [01:53:57][7.3]

Voiceover: [01:53:58] All right. The standoff continues in Waco this evening. The CBC's radio personality [01:54:03][4.4]

Voiceover: [01:54:03] wants to take a van into the compound with two surgeons [01:54:06][2.7]

Voiceover: [01:54:06] to treat any wounded Branch Davidian. We're treating these people worse than we treat. Prisoners of war, prisoners of war [01:54:12][5.3]

Voiceover: [01:54:12] get medical attention. Nobody is receiving medical attention in their midst at all. [01:54:18][5.8]

Voiceover: [01:54:18] You're not answering the question. You're talking around and just answer the question, are you OK? And if you don't. Why did they kill Randy Weaver's wife? Why did they kill Randy Weaver, 14 year old son, by shooting him in the back four times? Our government has run amuck, the FBI, particularly the ATF. That's the problem. The first article they wrote says in the article [01:54:39][21.3]

Voiceover: [01:54:40] they have a 50 caliber machine gun, [01:54:42][1.6]

Voiceover: [01:54:43] but they've never been able to find that 50 caliber machine gun. I'm just saying what the ATF did was illegal. Why are they why are they coming into our state the way they're coming in here and just acting like a bunch of renegades, the entire Branch Davidian who were hostages of the ATF, they didn't surrender. They were leaving their homes. Ron Engelmann was outraged over the attack on this peaceful religious community. Our phone number is now under siege, was underway, and Ron wanted to fill in for up here on Metro Calusa Monday morning. I decided I'm going to tell him a new ask the ATF. I go to work Monday morning on my way to work. I'm listening to his position on the ATF, stirred up a lively debate and Ron Engelmann became the target of much criticism from the establishment press and were critical of Ron that we didn't think he should get involved [01:55:33][50.4]

Voiceover: [01:55:34] in that part of the process that would have caused, [01:55:37][3.1]

Voiceover: [01:55:38] said David Koresh often. We don't rule throughout that [01:55:42][3.8]

Voiceover: [01:55:42] first Sunday evening when some of the Branch Davidian children were sent out in exchange for the FBI, allowing a message from David Koresh to be broadcast over Dallas Station K.R. on five five. Oh my God, who sits on the throne in heaven has given me a book of seven SEALs in Revelation, 10 or seven of the sealed book. The Mystery of God is to Beast found. David Koresh has declared he believed as to all of the Branch Davidian to this day and 22 that they were at the fifth seal and the fifth seal meant that there was going to be something, something was going to happen to those that believe in God. And that night, as as he was able to broadcast and give messages over the radio in order for him to do that, he would have to make force two or three children to leave their home, to leave their parents and go into the custody of the same people that had just killed a number of those inside and wounded. A number of those inside had terrorized everyone inside and had now had the place surrounded. And these little children were forced to leave their home and go into the hands of those people. I don't know if I would allow my child to do that. On day three of the siege Tuesday, March, the second David Koresh set a tape out with Katherine Madsen. Their agreement was they would all come out if the tape, a fifty eight minute sermon was broadcast on radio stations during prime time. They were supposed to play the tape in prime time now. Now, that could have meant two different things. Prime time or drive time on radio would be like from 4:00 to 6:00 in the evening. Prime time on television would be like from seven o'clock till 10:00 or eight o'clock till eleven o'clock. And that's when they wanted to tape play. The tape was actually played at one thirty in the afternoon. And there's every possibility in the world that they were not listening to the tape or listening to the radio when the tape was played and therefore never knew that the tape was played. That may be one of the reasons they didn't come out. The Branch Davidian did not leave Mount Carmel. Following the broadcast of David Koresh sermon, the FBI said that David had lied to them. But later, Sheila Martin told us the actual reasons for not coming out. [01:58:10][147.9]

Voiceover: [01:58:10] It's one of the reasons David stated he knew that the land would become ours, for instance. [01:58:15][4.8]

Voiceover: [01:58:16] My understanding is owner about March 22nd, 1988, Waco judge issued a verbal order that the Branch Davidian must occupy the 77 acre plot of land continuously for a period of five years. Then it would become legally theirs. The five year period would not expire for another 20 days. Inside Mount Carmel, where about 100 people, they represented a diverse racial and cultural mix of nationalities, but we're all there for one purpose, only to study the Bible. [01:58:49][33.5]

Voiceover: [01:58:50] We were trying to to live in the community like the early apostles did. [01:58:50][0.0]

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01:58:56 Pre-record (fem): I'm sharing all things having things in common. That's why we live together as a family, you know, like Christ said, Who is the people of his day? Who are my brothers and my, my sisters and my, and my mother, these that are with me to follow me and do what I say.

01:59:10 Pre-record (masc): Their Leader, of course, was David Koresh. Contrary to what the FBI claims, David never claimed to be Jesus Christ. The people inside Mount Carmel followed him because they believed he was a prophet and had great skill in teaching the Bible.

01:59:25 Pre-record (fem): We like to be in there when you can't the long stays is because we were just having fun. And long studies were just something that was a combination of a lot of things. It wasn't that we sat there all the time, we would have breaks we'd go off and check on the children and see what things were gonna fix the breakfast and then we'll come back and you know, just normal things that just appeared to people. But when you like something, you got to sit there and you don't mind and many times we one o'clock and two o'clock in the morning, you say, you know it's getting late. And we said no, no, it's all right. And he would take off and footer Hi, live. Follow him.

Hour 3

02:00:00 I like the scientific, you know, anything scientific he like? He went into thinks about space thinks about just anything I had ever subject that was. I mean, he could give you knowledge of how to like, you would never learn anywhere else.

02:00:18 Pre-record (masc): When an owl thinks He's the Lamb of God, when all he is is a cheap thug, who interprets the Bible... Whatever you may think of David Koresh. Just remember that your opinion was established by the FBI, which had a tremendous stake in villainizing him. The persons who, who follow through religion follow a message a ministry, persons who follow follow a cultic leader follow a man, a messenger a person. And extreme religious leaders such as Dr. Jerry Falwell joined the government's critical view of David Koresh.

02:00:54 Pre-record (fem): My main object was following truth that was not following a person.

02:00:59 Pre-record (masc): Their their religious beliefs as their that's their belief. I mean, each person religion is his own business. I mean, is it each person politics he is I mean...

02:01:08 Those who live near Mount Carmel, such as Walter Dulock, proprietor of a grocery store in El new the branch to videos and had no problem with them.

02:01:17 Yeah, that one guy just fell Woodrow Kinnick because they got charged with murder. Why did they run a hero to charge a coward? He knew they wouldn't know that. Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know about his personal life. But I mean, to me, he was just average guy walks in the store.

02:01:31 It is true that they've been courageous had children by some of the other women at Mount Carmel. Our investigation finds the charges of child abuse were false. There were several previous state investigations, which also failed to produce any evidence of abuse. And the case was officially closed on April the 30th 1992.

02:01:52 Pre-record (fem): We had no evidence so it was a very frustrating time for us.

02:01:56 Pre-record (masc): To talk about this... sex business there. I mean, with the underage girls. I don't know what that's true in fact, or was at just a... I mean, you know, all I know is what I read in the papers on TV. And the child protective agencies was out there several times and they couldn't find anything wrong. So I mean, you know, I don't know what you know, we're all we're all this stuff come from.

02:02:23 The seeds wore on and all communication with the outside world was cut off. And color to Ronnie Coleman's talk show suggested the branch davidians move their satellite as an indication that they were listening if they're listening, move the satellite dish. He said I think it's on galaxy six. He said ask him if they're listening to move the satellite dish to galaxy one.

02:02:43 The compounds phone lines have been diverted for a week keeping David Koresh from the attention he apparently craves. But an FBI ban on contact with the media isn't keeping talk show host Ron Angleman from trying to reach the cult leader Tuesday morning he asked compound members over the air to move their satellite dish if they were listening to it.

02:03:01 And about two minutes later, Kim comes back on the phone and says the dish moved they're listening to you.

02:03:06 Then a caller to Angleman show suggested a more visible sign.

02:03:09 If I put a weird flag out that second story window has happened. It's gonna get somebody's attention.

02:03:14 Shortly afternoon, a white flag appeared at the second floor window and stay there for half an hour.

02:03:20 The branch davidians and David Koresh do want communications with us they want me in there. They want the search. You know later phone call wrench davidian member, David tibideaux, told how it felt to realize that someone was trying to contact them down the hall. I was going there listening move the satellite dish. It was very, it was a very high moment. It was very exciting. I just remember everybody's being so so overwhelmed with joy that someone was was listening, you know that someone that we could communicate somehow to people, they'd cut us off.

02:03:52 The longer they negotiate, the more the people can come out. Koresh? I don't know he is strongly delusionary. very paranoid. Probably sociopathic. He's locked in. I don't know if they'll get him out or not. Okay, correct...

02:04:08 From the very first day the news media deliberately sought out only those persons with ill feelings towards the branch davidians and David Koresh in particular. All that time living right here in Waco was a gentleman who was not prejudiced and knew them well.

02:04:24 I am Dewey Molay. I am a naturopathic doctor. I have lived in Waco about six and a half years. About five years ago, I had some branch divisions come to me for nutritional health. And they became my patients as it were. And of course, when the event happened, I you know, I said my goodness, I started putting things together. And in here, all these people were being attacked, and they are just those people are just like any other human beings. A lot of them had jobs outside of Mount Carmel, people didn't know that they... like David Jones, Maryville son was a mailman. And he had obviously an outside job and they they tithed their money, they tithed 10 or 20% of their money to the church.

02:05:15 Dr. Dewey Molay believes the media is heavily influenced by government, almost to the point of actual control.

02:05:22 ...look at this have got to look at television say now why are they telling me this is just a lie. And that will go a long way to educate the American people of knowing how to watch the news. People ask me why watch Dan Rather, because I like to see what he's telling the American people. Why is he telling me this? and nine times out of 10 there's an agenda behind it. They're going to do something to us are for us in some way. We're not going to be too happy about. People just get smart and watch the news. They can't. They can't trust them at all. We saw what they did here at Mount Carmel. It was just incredible. We had we watched the press conference every day. And most generally we are found that they contradict themselves or they told an out and out lie.

02:06:18 ATF agents attempted to arrest the head of the cult, a 33 year old man who claims to be Christ.

02:06:24 He's been described as a beer drinking guitar player with 15 wives, claims to be Jesus Christ.

02:06:30 They have homemade explosives, semi automatic and automatic weapons, hand grenades, grease guns...

02:06:36 Pre-record (fem): From the latest reports we had with him that it was nitroglycerin ponds.

02:06:40 Pre-record (masc): There'll be absolutely no reason in the world to keep nitroglycerin down there. That's ridiculous.

02:06:45 I'd be careful about just filling air when there's really nothing to say. So you start using rumors.

02:06:50 Pre-record (fem): I imagine if I hadn't taken what was given that had nothing to say.

02:06:54 Pre-record (masc): The FBI had taken control of this scene, and media was told to pack up and move several miles away to the roadblock outside of the video. It didn't take long for the lights to start coming down.

02:07:16 The FBI said news reporters were moved back out of concern for their safety. What about safety for this camera man during the race riot at the Dallas Cowboys victory parade. who's concerned for the safety of this news crew in Palestine West Bank, or this recent student uprising in Paris? How about the news crews shooting this little New World Order police action, aren't they in danger of being shot at? No apparent concern for their safety. The excuse given by the FBI at Mount Carmel as to concern for the reporters safety was an insult to the intelligence of the American people. The Communist Chinese government did the same thing shortly before the massacre at Tiananmen Square.

02:08:00 In one of the interviews with the Chinese people over in tenement square after it happened. One lady was just sobbing and insane. What could we do? They had all the guns. What could anybody do? There were 10s of 1000s, hundreds of 1000s of people out there. And when the when the government rolled in the tanks, it was all over. They didn't care whether they killed those people or not. They ran all the reporters out so there wouldn't be any. Any witnesses. Same thing that they did done in Waco. In other parts of China, all they knew was what the government was telling them. They had heard that these people in tenement square were a bunch of bad people, a bunch of revolutionaries. And as far as I knew the government did the right thing.

02:08:40 We were moved back to miles. And I think the media should have protested that. There should have been some eyes up closer and I said this from the early beginning. That Okay, maybe they want monitors back there for our own safety but, you know, when we hired out in this job most of us hired out knew that we're going to be facing dangerous situation from time to time. And that's our call. Still...

02:09:06 Although Phil Recker denies any government media control. The report of the Waco Task Force published by the Society of Professional Journalists shows that FBI agent Jeff Jemar reminded radio station krld, that he represents the government, which licenses broadcast stations. A license hs permission from the government to do something that would otherwise be illegal. Bob Boaz is a Christian educator and professional media observer. The federal government's in position to control the flow of information in his country in a way that has never existed in my face this earth and it's done through federal regulatory agencies. The Federal Communication Commission does control what goes out over the airwaves both on radio and television. There have been instances of radio stations burning up of licenses not being renewed, of radio stations and television stations being audited by the IRS to the point they couldn't conduct their business. And anyone in that business. I'm not in it, but I'm not stupid either. And anyone in that business that knows knows that if they go against government policy, Washington DC policy, they're going to be in trouble.

02:10:18 As the stressors are continually applied to him, he does seem to retreat more and more. We are concerned that he's perhaps going through a mental decompensation and that he is in fact becoming more delusional.

02:10:31 One month after the deadly raid agents move closer to the compound but not to a resolution. Agents say Koresh has pre arranged suicide pacts with followers.

02:10:40 The same thing happened at Jonestown in Guyana in 1978.

02:10:44 He has to be slain, and there has to be a sufficient number of martyrs those of his followers also have to be slain.

02:10:51 During the siege of Mount Carmel. FBI agents made repeated references to Jonestown instilling the idea of mass suicide in the minds of the American public. Anti Koch propaganda never changes. The medium may change, but the kinds of things that are said about... Author and researcher Mac White notes that Jim Jones and David Koresh were both targets of the same accusations. ...they generally tend to be accused of bizarre sexual practices, that the early Christians were accused of that as well as an incest and other things that the Roman public at that time found a port in our day, one way to quickly demonize someone in the press in such a way that they'll never be able to recover their public image and their credibility is to accuse them of being a child molester. And that was done in choruses case, white his study the Jim Jones case for many years, he blames the Jonestown tragedy was not a mass suicide, the FBI right after the fire, at its press conference, said that what had happened in Waco was another Jonestown. Now, by saying that, the FBI has invited us to take a closer look at Jonestown.

02:12:17 Jim Jones wanted absolute control over every person in that compound and he had it the same thing is going on right now with koresh in the compound in Waco. You know, I see... Ross is a deep programmer for the cult awareness network, which provided ATF officials with all of those catchy phrases like child abuse, child sacrifice, illegal weapons, slavery, rites of mass destruction, and the alleged suicide pact. The history of the cult awareness network, however, there's a closer examination. In 1959, Fidel Castro overthrew the Keystone and seized power in Cuba. Almost immediately the CIA began plotting his assassination. One suggestion was the use of mind altering drugs to make Castro go crazy during a speech, thereby losing his credibility with the Cuban people. Operation MK Ultra was initiated with the help of psychiatrists, doctors Margaret singer and Lewis West. CIA operative, Dr. Margaret singer was the founder of the American Family Foundation. Jones had strong ties to the new left of the 70s to persons like Huey Newton, the Black Panthers and to Dennis banks of the American Indian living and his church. The People's temple was a by his own description, a Marxist organization, the leader of this Marxist organization, Jim Jones, had a boyhood friend named Ben mitrione, who eventually went to work for the CIA spy Analyzing and brainwashing techniques. In 1973, another CIA author writer George Blakey, made the initial $650,000 deposit on the land in Guyana, which became Jonestown. At the same time, Operation MK Ultra began directing its attention on religious cults. There have been many allegations over the years, that in some way the CIA's MK Ultra program may have been involved in what happened at Jonestown. And that perhaps in this way, gentleman's with the nicolaitans through drugs or hypnosis. After the tragedy of Jonestown in 1978, Dr. Margaret singers American Family Foundation changed its name to the cult awareness network.

02:14:47 So it's ironic that Johnson, which the FBI used to explain why what happened in Waco was itself a likely conspiracy.

02:14:59 900 people died in the steamy jungle of Guyana, so 100 more on the plains of Central Texas wouldn't matter. When you have no regard for human life. Numbers are not important.

02:15:52 I happened to be over at the Britney hotel. I was seeing Catherine Madison, Branch Davidian. And after I was through visiting with her, I was downstairs talking to Rita Riddle, and the phone rang, and it was Derek Lovelock, saying that he had been released from the county jail, and would somebody come get him. Derek made it pretty clear in his mind that the people that were back there, none of those survived there on the east side away from the camera. And there are some rumors and reports about people seeing things that went on there. We don't know how accurate that is.

02:16:32 But we do know that the live footage from April 19th, from all the major networks did, in fact, they stated that they saw 25 to 30 survivors. And this was in fact confirmed.

02:16:46 What we know is on the flip side that there are between 25 and 30 survivors.

02:16:50 We have several witnesses that say that they saw 25 to 30 people exiting out these double doors in this cafeteria. One of the people that survived the fire and is currently under indictment says that he came out that door with Jimmy riddle that day to escape the fire. And that these people were gunned down in cold blood as they tried to escape.

02:17:11 I believe from what we hear the rumors we hear that obviously, they didn't go back in the fire their own choice. And they they didn't come out of the fire. So something had to happen to them. And yeah, I think they were murdered.

02:17:28 Nobody wants to admit that their government could possibly be guilty of such a thing. But based on what I've found out here over the past five months, I have no choice but to say that they were.

02:17:38 He listened to his music for 20 years. I still listen to that. He's been fighting for our right to keep and bear arms as long as he's had a handgun since he was a kid. Ted Nugent.

02:18:00 Ted Nugent: Thank you very much. You notice? Well, I'm going to just make a simple statement here. Because it's so simple and stupid.

02:18:12 Unknown: Even though he disagrees with David Koresh's motives, rock and roller Ted Nugent has a definite idea about the government's actions.

02:18:20 Ted Nugent: There are many innocent civilians dead because the AP ATF abuse their powers. Got the wrong address. Search with false if faulty warrants. I know this stuff. It's been documented. Where is this investigation? I'd be willing to let Bill get by with Whitewater for a while, till we find out who the murders are in our government. And that's what's happening. The ATF even the FBI, the IRS, these people work for us. They are they are responsible to the American people. They are not being responsive to the American people. And I am deeply saddened, I am hurt. The bottom line is, the good people are an asset to America. Leave us alone.

02:19:10 Pre-record (masc): The only real security of liberty in our country is the jealousy and circumspection of the people themselves. Let them be watchful over their rulers, should they find a combination against them. They have thank god the ultimate remedy, that power which created the government can destroy it. Should the government on trial be found to want amendments. those amendments can be made in a regular method, in a mode prescribed by the Constitution itself. I was taught the same things that most of you were taught. I've learned differently, and we all have that responsibility and those who died will have died in vain. If we leave here today, and forget what has happened. The string go on. Amen. Amen. I'd like now to read the names of all of those that lost their lives here during that 51 days. Cyrus Howell, David Koresh, Rachel Howell, Star Howell, Sherry jewel, David Jones, Perry Jones, Michelle Jones, serenity see Jones, Bobby lane caress Steve Schneider, Judy Schneider, Liana Snyder, Sonia Marie Douglas Wayne Martin, Wayne Martin Jr., Anita Martin. Sheila Renee-Martin. Lisa Martin Floyd how Peter Jacques John McPhee, Peter [uninteligable], Beverly Elliot Laura Siena Susan Benta. Lisa, Sherry Doyle, Pablo Cohen, Raymond freisin. Kathy on drawing, Jennifer on drawing Chanel on draughty Mike Schroeder saundra hard dial the following names we don't have the last names of Stone, Sonya, Rebecca, Dabo and a pair of unnamed twins. The ATF agents also lost their lives here. And we're here to memorialize all of those that lost their lives. Following be ATF agents. Steven Willis, Robert J. Williams, Conway Lebeau, Todd Makino. I think we'd like to spend about a minute just in silent prayer if you don't mind.

02:23:21 Loving God there is that you got to remember one thing all through the battle. He's loving and kind to Michiganders forever, but he's also a warrior. And he is coming back. Do you think he's going to come back? Yeah.

02:24:32 Canned Audio: Fuck you. Fuck you all. Victim. Victim. Fuckin cocksucker. Beat that head in, cut those eyes out, beat that head in, cut those eyes out, amputate those limbs, lop 'em off, lop the head off, lop the head off, decapitate, decapitate the head, lop it off, amputate the head, beat it in, cut those eyes out, lop the limbs off, cut em' out, lop 'em off, amputate, decapitate, kill, kill kill.

Might Is Right Excerpts

02:25:10 Pre-Record (masc): ALL ELSE IS ERROR [Exerpt from Might Is Right] "The natural world is a world of war; the natural man is a warrior; the natural law is tooth and claw. All else is error. A condition of combat everywhere exists. We are born into a perpetual conflict. It is our inheritance even as it was the heritage of previous generations. This “condition of combat” may be disguised with the holy phrases of St. Francis, or the soft deceitful doctrines of a Kropotkin or Tolstoi, but it cannot be eventually evaded by any human being or any tribe of human beings. It is there and it stays there, and each man (whether he will or not) has to reckon with it. It rules all things; it governs all things; it reigns over all things and it decides all who imagine policemanized populations, internationally regulated tranquility, and State organized industrialism so joyful, blessed and divine."

BOLDLY STAND ERECT [Excerpt from Might Is Right]
Jewish books are for Jews
And Jew Messiahs, too.
But if you're not of Jewish blood,
how can they be for you?

To make an idol of a book
is poison for the brain.
A dying God upon a cross
is reason gone insane.

Beware of all the holy books
in all the creeds and schools,
and every law that man has made,
and all the golden rules.

Laws and rules imposed on you
from days of old renown
are not intended for your good.
But for your crushing down.

Then dare to rend the chains that bind
and to yourself be true.
Dare to liberate your mind
from all things old and new.

Always think your own thoughts,
all other thoughts, reject,
learn to use your own brain
and boldly stand erect.

DEVELOP YOUR COMBATIVE NATURE [cuts off abruptly]

(Not) Killing The President

02:27:22 Shane Bugbee: Is this thing on? Oh, there we go. All right. Oh, Rich said I would forget to turn that switch back on.

02:27:30 Amy Bugbee: He was right. He's a mind reader.

02:27:32 Shane Bugbee: Motherfucker.

02:27:35 Doug Misicko: What did he say about if somebody made comments about wanting to kill the president?

02:27:41 Shane Bugbee: Well, I say...

02:27:42 Doug Misicko: That was allowed or did he say that wasn't?

02:27:44 Amy Bugbee: He said run the disclaimer.

02:27:47 Doug Misicko: I'm just asking if somebody said it. Not that I would say that.

02:27:53 Shane Bugbee: Well, don't. I wouldn't say it necessarily. But if you're going to say it...

02:28:01 Pre-record (fem): Some of the opinions and topics expressed on this program may be objectionable to some people. The opinions expressed in this program are solely the opinions of the individuals who express them. They are not necessarily the opinions of any member of Radio Free Satan or Mephisto Media. Some of them are the opinions of people we don't even know, and some of them are the opinions of people that we just made up. If you're offended by something on this program, please just don't listen. If you're tempted by what you hear on this program to do something potentially dangerous or illegal, you are an idiot. And we refuse to be held responsible for your stupidity. In short, don't try this at home or at all.

02:28:41 Unidentified (masc): Okay...

02:28:42 Amy Bugbee: You want to lose it?

02:28:44 Shane Bugbee: Alright, you're on.

02:28:46 Doug Misicko: All right.

02:28:46 Shane Bugbee: So Doug, Doug.

02:28:48 Doug Misicko: Yeah?

02:28:50 Shane Bugbee: What are you saying about the president?

02:28:52 Doug Misicko: I wasn't saying anything about the president. I was just asking. What would happen if somebody on the radios declared that they wanted to murder the president?

02:29:01 Shane Bugbee: If some radio?

02:29:03 Doug Misicko: If somebody did? I mean, I thought the question came up beforehand, because I don't know. Who would have thought of such a thing. I thought we just came up.

02:29:10 Shane Bugbee: Oh, no, we just were asking the guy running the station' if it was still illegal. We're just wondering about it. And he said, Yes, indeed it is. They'll swoop in and arrest you for saying that.

02:29:23 Doug Misicko: Really?

02:29:24 Shane Bugbee: If- Yeah.

02:29:25 Doug Misicko: Even if it's George Jr. You're talking about?

02:29:29 Shane Bugbee: Hey, I don't know.

02:29:31 Doug Misicko: All right. Well, what about what about the question of John Ashcroft, it's not- not murder, you just want to chop off his nipples and staple him to his fucking forehead?

02:29:39 Shane Bugbee: I asked him the same question. That's very ironic.

02:29:42 Doug Misicko: Right. Right.

02:29:43 Shane Bugbee: He said he still thinks that's illegal. Didn't he, Amy?

02:29:45 Doug Misicko: Because we know Ashcroft has a nipple fetish.

02:29:48 Amy Bugbee: Does he?

02:29:49 Doug Misicko: Well, he...

02:29:50 Shane Bugbee: Who doesn't, buddy.

02:29:51 Doug Misicko: Now, you know, he had hundreds of hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money put towards covering the statues that had the breasts exposed.

02:30:00 Amy Bugbee: Are you kidding?

02:30:01 Doug Misicko: You didn't know about that?

02:30:03 Shane Bugbee: Who Asscroft?

02:30:04 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

02:30:07 Shane Bugbee: Asscroft.

02:30:08 Amy Bugbee: He's the ass man.

02:30:11 Doug Misicko: Yeah, so he had a kid. I don't know how he did it. He fucked his wife through a hole in the sheet. I don't know. Hopefully beat-off and saved it for later. I don't know he's too goddamn holy to beat-off.

02:30:26 Shane Bugbee: Oh, no, no, they're the worst.

02:30:28 Doug Misicko: I would. I'd love to have a call-in from that guy and ask him how he does it.

02:30:33 Shane Bugbee: Asscroft.

02:30:35 Doug Misicko: Prudish little...

02:30:36 Shane Bugbee: Good porn name, huh?

02:30:38 Doug Misicko: I think so.

02:30:42 Amy Bugbee: Shane's got something up his sleeve.

02:30:44 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah.

02:30:44 Amy Bugbee: The old Asscroft.

02:30:46 Shane Bugbee: Asscroft. So I wonder if anyone's actually sleeping or if we can get I'm going to look for an email. And the first one to email me and says they want to kill the president... We're gonna give ya...nothing.

02:31:02 Doug Misicko: Because we can't find anybody here willing to say something like something as foolhardy as that. We're gonna give you a trip to the FBI interrogation room. Free of charge.

Spam Rant And Threats Against Thomas Thorn

02:31:17 Shane Bugbee: But does anyone know who Reverend Thomas Thorn is from the Electric Hellfire Club is?

02:31:19 Doug Misicko: Yeah, never heard of him.

02:31:21 Shane Bugbee: He asked to get off my mailing list, my Might Is Right mailing list. I just got an email from. "My problem is five or six copies of the same piece of spam spam and spam. Whether it has an allegedly Satanic theme or not. Also, please do not post advertisements for your endeavors on my discussion list. Remember telling me you could give a flying fuck about the Church of Satan? I do. Back off." Aw, I said I could give a flying fuck about anyone ever that would include everyone in the Church of Satan. ...give a fuck about anyone in the whole world but me. How about that? Bitch. Now, add Thomas Thorn to my bitch list now you got you, Boyd Rice, Jim Goad... you motherfuckers gonna line up outside my house.

02:32:15 Amy Bugbee: Come on, you're talking about a guy who was thrown out of the Thrill Kill Kult. And now he lives in Kenosha and attempts to promote his band that nobody wants to hear, nobody likes.

02:32:25 Shane Bugbee: Yeah the Thrill Kill Kult wasn't really satanic either, buddy. Go to Satan. You know, putting the baphomet on your CD sells a hell of a lot of CDs, doesn't it?

02:32:34 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, just because you throw a girl in a nun costume in your video doesn't make you Satanic.

02:32:39 Shane Bugbee: Well, you did look good in the spandex though. When you're in Thrill Kill Kult, that big fag band, you fucking pussy dance fag.

02:32:45 Amy Bugbee: Now who was the singer of Thrill Kill Kult? Was that Frankie? Was that that guy's name? I believe that they broke up him and Thomas and that's why he was forced out of the band.

02:32:55 Shane Bugbee: Oh!

02:32:58 Doug Misicko: You lost me, I don't know anythign about it.

02:33:02 Shane Bugbee: Guess who... You know all about the gay scene up in Wisconsin. [laughs] There, you know what? Guess who just guess who just won? Nothing. Oh, Gerod. Hey, Gerod nigga!

02:33:20 Amy Bugbee: We got to send him a T shirt.

02:33:24 Shane Bugbee: No, I don't want to get Gerod is trouble.

02:33:28 Doug Misicko: Okay.

02:33:29 Shane Bugbee: Well, you know what he says?

02:33:30 Doug Misicko: Gerod is a foolhardy man. So, I take it he's able to log on now. It's not a problem anymore.

02:33:38 Shane Bugbee: Are you on? Are you listening? Gerod? You lied to us, didn't you? You're a fucking Baptist. Aren't you? Prick.

02:33:45 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

02:33:47 Shane Bugbee: I think we've been cut off the air.

02:33:49 Amy Bugbee: Again?

02:33:49 Shane Bugbee: Hello. Hello.

02:33:53 Amy Bugbee: Thomas Thorn pulled the plug.

02:33:55 Doug Misicko: Out of his asshole.

02:33:56 Shane Bugbee: Out of his ass. I hear Thomas Thorn gives a good blumpkin. You know what a blumpkin is?

02:34:03 Doug Misicko: No.

02:34:04 Shane Bugbee: It's when I'm taking a shit and Thomas Thorn's blowing me. Yeah, and you know the other pussy band that asked to get off the list here. Well, it's a girl band. It's Genitorturers. And I had to go back and forth about them how they didn't want my emails either. Even though they send me their garbage emails. Fucking chick bands...

02:34:26 Doug Misicko: Weren't they supposed to come on the air?

02:34:29 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, they backed out for some pussy reason, I think, well, like these emails weeded out the weak. Thomas Thorn. Genitorturers they're old too, aren't they? Like 45-50 years old?

02:34:40 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. There's another band that put out one CD and they're milking it for the rest of their fucking lives. Come on. I saw the Jenna torturers in 1991 I think at the metro and that was when they're when their CD was new. They're still playing the same CD at their shows.

02:34:56 Shane Bugbee: Well, the bitches we paid those motherfuckers double fair price to play show both of them, and they treat us like shit? Fuck, man, you unappreciative pricks, and I tell you right now, Thomas Thorn. Fuck you, motherfucker. And fuck anyone who fucking listens to you, prick. You wait next time I see you, buddy. You come to Chicago. You're all talk. All talk and your big tough guy drunk. I don't give a fuck about you. And if you do happen to beat me up, I'm going to get six big niggers to do my bidding and fuck your ass in front of me. Okay, motherfucker, so don't play.

02:35:28 Amy Bugbee: Well throw them in the bitch bag.

02:35:29 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, you're gonna be in the bitch bag, motherfucker. I'm the wrong person to fuck with.

02:35:32 Doug Misicko: You got nigger sodomites on call?

02:35:34 Shane Bugbee: God damn right, motherfucker. They're cheap. Life is cheap bitch. It's about the cost of a fucking nickel bullet. You remember that motherfucker. And I ain't talking any shit. I know people everywhere.

02:35:44 Doug Misicko: Life is cheap in Indiana.

02:35:46 Amy Bugbee: Even in Kenosha?

02:35:47 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I know people in Kenosha. That's right. I know that store with the other fucking fag from Thrill Kill Kult worked. What is it? Record Junction? Right across there was a bar and a record store. What's the story of Thrill Kill Kult?

02:35:59 Doug Misicko: I like old Thrill Kill Kult. Even like some... Well, not new Thrill Kill Kult but newer. Like some of the Ross Meyer-type stuff...

02:36:08 Shane Bugbee: Well then get the fuck out of here.

02:36:11 Doug Misicko: It's my opinion. It's not like I'm saying I want to shoot the president or anything like that.

02:36:18 Amy Bugbee: Well, I used to live with this gay guy. And he said that he did, uh, the singer and Thomas Thorn from Thrill Kill Kult.

02:36:25 Shane Bugbee: Really?

02:36:26 Amy Bugbee: Yup.

02:36:26 Shane Bugbee: Wow. Wow, there's nothing wrong with having a good time.

02:36:30 Amy Bugbee: Not that there's anything wrong with that.

02:36:32 Shane Bugbee: I don't really care about what they're doing it really but you know, don't be such a pussy. What's the big problem of fucking deleting emails? You come after your own? Go after fucking Ameritech and all the other punks the porno people you can't. I'll tell you what spam is bitch. I'll fucking get a spam program. I'll fuckin fuck you up. I know what spam is. I work with pornographers. I fucking know what the spam is. ... My shit's not spam. Dude. It's from little old me talking about Might is Right. And uh fuck Radio Free Satan .com What do you have against? What do you have against Radio Free Satan dot com, Thomas? What do you have against the Church of Satan, Thomas? What do you have against Might is Right, Thomas? What do you have against Doug, one-eyed, Mesner, Thomas? The motherfuckers gonna fuck have you ever meet Thomas Thomas you ever meet Doug. We never even met Doug's a motherfucking ruthless killer. I'm telling you, he's got blood on under his fingernails right now. He's got DNA from seven people in his stool, motherfucker.

02:37:25 Amy Bugbee: Well, let's face it. That's why the Church of Satan isn't recognized in so many places. That's why they haven't you know, there's no one in the Church of Satan holding up public office or anything. They're so busy stabbing each other in the back and infighting and just, you know, oh, "This one's not as evil as this one. This one's not as cool as me." It's such bullshit and that's why it's probably what killed Anton LaVey. It's just the pathetic people in his club.

02:37:50 Shane Bugbee: You killed Anton LaVey. Thomas Thorn killed Anton LaVey.

02:37:55 Doug Misicko: He died for your sins.

02:37:59 Shane Bugbee: Don't be such a punk motherfucker. Try to get rid of the real spam that's in your email box. You never get rid of it. You know why they send you those Penis Enlargement emails, Thomas? 'Cause you got a small dick motherfucker, and they know it. All right, so get rid of the fucking, the fiber-optic camera and your toilet where they can see your small dick. Can anyone hear that horn passing by the fucking trains? anyway. I wonder if you can hear the horn. Honk. Oh no. Yeah, whatever. You suck. What a fucking shitty email to send. What a shit email can't just fucking... fuck you.

02:38:34 Amy Bugbee: Oh, if it wasn't for their petty bickering, they'd have nothing to do. I mean, it's not like he's recording albums or touring or anything.

02:38:40 Shane Bugbee: Not like you can sell a fucking ticket.

02:38:42 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

02:38:45 Shane Bugbee: Pathetic. You got too much time on your hands, dude. Oh, yeah, I forgot you're trying to be Glenn Danzig and write a comic book. Don't make me call Hart Fisher and put the nix on that shit, bitch and you call Hart Fisher. He knows what's up. I'll make him stop publishing that shit. And he knows I put the clamps on his fucking ass. So you think about it, buddy. I'll stop your comic book. Email me right now, Thomas, email me right now and say fuck you, and I will stop your comic book. Okay. I'll put money on it. Prick.

02:39:17 Doug Misicko: Well, we stopped off with Waco.

02:39:20 Amy Bugbee: That's right. Let's get to the important stuff.

02:39:24 Shane Bugbee: I have a disclaimer, I have nothing to do with Doug Messner, and his comments at all. My disclaimer is same as Honey's and the rest of...

02:39:32 Doug Misicko: I'd say the same disclaimer about you, shit.

02:39:34 Shane Bugbee: Hey, I don't have nothing to do with you. You're the punk pushing it "president president president president."

02:39:39 Doug Misicko: Now I'm gonna run into these fuckers and they're gonna blame me. Guilty by association.

02:39:44 Shane Bugbee: Right? That's right. Yeah, that's right. You got the email. You know what's up? You know what's coming. Jim Goad warned ya.

02:39:52 Doug Misicko: Now it's Thomas Thorn, too.

02:39:54 Shane Bugbee: They're all warning you you're with the fucking worst, right now.

02:39:57 Doug Misicko: Jimmy Goad warned me that you're an asshole. Or in fact, you your little baby turd.

02:40:05 Shane Bugbee: I don't know about baby turd. I don't want to baby turd is but I am an asshole.

02:40:09 Doug Misicko: All right. Well, I don't even think he used the word asshole.

02:40:12 Shane Bugbee: I'm not to be trusted. I'm an asshole. I could tell you all about myself, on my own.

02:40:18 Doug Misicko: Oh shit. That was the gist of the email.

02:40:19 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, he's right. So what? Your own fault your fucked now, looks like you're talking to eight people on Radio Free Satan thing. You know, we're losing listeners.

02:40:28 Doug Misicko: Every time I open my mouth...

02:40:29 Shane Bugbee: Rich, we got 22 hours.

02:40:34 Amy Bugbee: It's gonna be a loooong night.

Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the Oklahoma City Bombing

02:40:37 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, no, but that Waco. Waco chunk was given to us by a guy in Waco. One of the survivors had half his body burned off, that we just played. And that's something that a doc, a gentleman doing a documentary had done. And he couldn't get it released, couldn't get it played anywhere. Nothing. And he basically just gave it to those the fine folks at the Branch Davidian. And that was it. They distributed to who they thought was trustworthy and such, and I wanted to disseminate that information for you. I'd like to hear if anyone is listening. Get on the chat boards at RadioFreeSatan.com. leave a voicemail message at RadioFreeSatan.com. I think the number is I'll get you the number in a second.

02:41:24 Amy Bugbee: A major person who did help pass around Day 51 was Tim McVeigh.

02:41:32 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, exactly. That was one of the people that gave it to and we're trying to live to some people call McVeigh a terrorist and American terrorist. I call them an American hero. Okay?

02:41:42 Amy Bugbee: That's right. And I just finished reading American Terrorist, Timothy McVeigh story, and it's fascinating. It's really a shame and the major- the thing that he was most upset about what the Oklahoma City bombing was the fact that the children dying, outshined what the message was he was trying to convey by blowing up the building. And it's a real shame. He said, if he would have known that there were there was a daycare center in there, he would have picked a different target because of that.

02:42:17 Doug Misicko: All right, that was the biggest mistake and of course, it was easy for the media to take that away.

02:42:24 Shane Bugbee: What was the biggest mistake?

02:42:25 Doug Misicko: The fact that there was kids in there.

02:42:27 Shane Bugbee: That was your... you consider that a mistake?

02:42:30 Doug Misicko: Well, it's a PR mistake.

02:42:33 Shane Bugbee: Who gives a fuck? They're cops' kids. The only thing that would be better is if the cops were inside that building as the kids in the fucking wives got to watch their fucking husbands burn like pigs.

02:42:42 Doug Misicko: True, but he didn't generate any support.

02:42:45 Shane Bugbee: He wouldn't have no matter what he does he could fire a gun up in the air he's gonna get arrested and treated like an asshole.

02:42:51 Doug Misicko: Nonetheless, anytime a cunt like Janet Reno runs a mock and pulls a Waco it can produce hundreds of more McVeigh's or people that McVeigh mindset it's like they say about Iraq now. Or Afghanistan. You know, whereas you might have had one Osama bin Laden now you have legions.

02:43:14 Shane Bugbee: Now when you talk about "bad PR" the real powerful folk don't give a fuck about bad PR you think that the Bush folks are people that go into Ruby Ridge and slaughter a pregnant woman, slaughter 14-year-old kid shooting them two times in the back all that bullshit didn't give a fuck about mowing down those kids at Waco. They did that shit so incredibly intense. Man, we saw this video where they've got they've got infrared cameras above Waco and they're showing guys with M-16s sharpshooting in where the kids and women are running out. The fucking cop and the army guys are shooting at these kids and they don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck about bad PR, do they?

02:43:52 Doug Misicko: Yeah, they figured they can cover the PR you look at...

02:43:55 Shane Bugbee: Nah, it's about fear they fucking scared everyone in the fucking listening again.

02:44:01 Doug Misicko: People don't believe it'll happen. Why do you think Junior's crew now is trying to buy out radio?

The Bush Administration and Radio Consolidation

02:44:05 Shane Bugbee: Oh George Bush and George, George W.

02:44:08 Doug Misicko: Bush Jr. Yeah

02:44:09 Amy Bugbee: "W"

02:44:09 Shane Bugbee: Oh man we saw election posters, you see these for George W? No, they just say "W".

02:44:15 Amy Bugbee: "W" 2004.

02:44:16 Shane Bugbee: "W" 2004.

02:44:17 Doug Misicko: Is it kind of like the McDonald's logo upside down? That's what it should be exactly. No but but Junior and his crew are almost running radio now. Have you seen the Clear Channel takeover?

02:44:31 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah, it's fucking horrible.

02:44:33 Doug Misicko: And the FCC trying to prioritize different bandwidths I'm sure that's part of the Clear, Clear Channel's coup d'etat.

02:44:41 Shane Bugbee: And the gentleman who runs Radio Free Satan and his family they are...

02:44:45 Doug Misicko: He sold out a Clear Channel you told me!

02:44:47 Shane Bugbee: Well, he sold out to the Jews first. Okay, then the niggers... But no, really, he's, I mean, this guy's doing a good thing really? Doing some experimental radio some really cutting edge stuff. I mean, I really enjoy the radio station. And the guy's got to put up with it can't play certain songs, he can't play the record association- and the people that are suing everyone that are downloading music, they go after radio stations that play songs, and they're- they're going after him. Stuff like that. That's just they're not only doing the radio thing, they're trying to get glom on to any kind of media they can they want control the media.

02:45:25 Doug Misicko: What are they going after him for? Playing music without-?

02:45:27 Shane Bugbee: You can't play... Yeah, if you play a tune that's just like the illegal downloads. I don't know the exact law. Believe me. If Rich called in or something he'll tell you that fuckin exact law. He's insane mad about it.

02:45:41 Doug Misicko: They're not gonna be able to stop it. It's gonna...

02:45:43 Shane Bugbee: But you can't play like a Marilyn Manson song because he signed up with whatever bullshit royalty union he signed up with. And if you play him you got to pay so much each time that's... what the fuck happened, to you know, fans and people playing it because it for the love of the music and love of art? The love of expression, the love of the word? You know, you know, it's just brutally hard, you know?

02:46:08 Doug Misicko: Last I heard a 12-year-old girl was getting sued for downloading.

02:46:12 Shane Bugbee: She settled for $2,000.

02:46:14 Amy Bugbee: $2,000 they're gonna take from a 12-year-old girl.

02:46:18 Shane Bugbee: [Laughs] That's fucking sort of funny.

02:46:19 Amy Bugbee: ..because she sent songs to her friends.

02:46:21 Doug Misicko: Fuck, I remember I had to pay $45 for pissing on a teacher's book. It's been a long time.

02:46:28 Shane Bugbee: That's apples and oranges. Man. That's not like downloading music.

02:46:32 Doug Misicko: I stole the teacher's book that gave the answers to... I had and I threw it in the can when they're on to me and I took a piss on it and the vice principal came in he grabbed with his bare hands with a look on his face at me. Like the joke was on me, but the joke was on him because he reached into my piss. Anyway, that's off-

02:46:52 Shane Bugbee: Hey, if anyone's listening now I have the voicemail number it's 877-302-3387. You call that number? If you're actually listening right now the first couple people to call it, I'm going to send you something free. Probably a shot glass the Might is Right shot glass. Yeah, I'm joking. I don't have Might is Right shot glasses, but I have shot glasses. They're funny.

02:47:17 Doug Misicko: They're nice.

02:47:18 Shane Bugbee: Maybe a Baphomet shot glass.

02:47:21 Amy Bugbee: Hey you know why Clear Channel has so much money?

02:47:24 Shane Bugbee: Jews?

02:47:26 Doug Misicko: Why does Clear Channel have so much money?

02:47:30 Amy Bugbee: Because they robbed from the small business person. We did a couple print jobs for them and never got paid.

02:47:38 Doug Misicko: No Shit?

02:47:39 Amy Bugbee: Yup. It looks like we're getting some chatting and some postings going on over at RadioFreeState.com

02:47:53 Doug Misicko: What are they saying?

02:47:54 Amy Bugbee: They wonder. Matt Paradise wonders what sleep deprivation will sound like.

02:48:02 Doug Misicko: You're hearing it, motherfucker.

02:48:03 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, we've been up for 24 hours already so when we hit midnight tomorrow night the 48 hours.

02:48:11 Doug Misicko: Sleep deprivation master.

02:48:13 Shane Bugbee: Matt Paradise, you have a hell of a metal show. The metal madman is does a heavy metal show on Radio Free Satan, and it's wicked good. And you know what if you know the guy from Usurper, I think he's blowing me off tomorrow for in-studio appearance. So if you got his home address, I'd like to know because we all drive out there with a cell phone and throw a brick through his fucking window so you can hear that. I say about the sleep deprivation. And Thomas you only two fucking hour drive from Milwaukee. So let's throw it out in front of my house with microphones and gloves. No gloves. Gloves with glass glued onto the ends of them. Barbed wire wrapped around a motherfucker, cage match.

02:48:52 Doug Misicko: I'm not taking sides as long as you don't possess anything against the president.

02:48:57 Shane Bugbee: Of course because you're a bitch. Ohhh... I'm not taking sides. If you want to be associate with any cunt that would hold something against you, that I said? What the? Who cares? They're morons if they're gonna if something comes out of my mouth and they're gonna have guilty by association you.

02:49:12 Doug Misicko: I'm not even talking about him. I don't want to hear anybody say anything bad about our president.

02:49:23 Amy Bugbee: He's a special guy.

02:49:24 Shane Bugbee: Shhh... quiet.

02:49:27 Amy Bugbee: Is it dead air time?

Trying to Get Callers

02:49:29 Shane Bugbee: Try to get a couple of listeners away.

02:49:33 Amy Bugbee: I'm sure they're fleeing by the truckload.

02:49:36 Doug Misicko: I lost my train of thought I was gonna say something classic too. Good.

02:49:40 Amy Bugbee: Time for everyone to do a shot.

02:49:41 Doug Misicko: This is what sleep deprivation sounds like. Mr. Paradise.

02:49:48 Amy Bugbee: I'm telling you this could be the greatest drinking game ever.

02:49:52 Doug Misicko: You offered, I had a drink. I guess I could have.

02:49:54 Shane Bugbee: You could have. Don't be such a fuckin you know... Drink up. No, but I gotta give out the email address. Rich says give out the email address or get off the air. So my email the address is shane13@ameritech.net. My beautiful wife Amy's email address is TVisGod9@aol.com, and I think what? No, that's not it. Okay, just instant message her at TVisGod9...

02:50:31 Amy Bugbee: Right now I'm in the chat room at a Radio Free Satan. So get in there.

02:50:36 Shane Bugbee: Get in there. You can get into- Oh my goodness.

02:50:40 Amy Bugbee: I'm the Whore of Horror in there.

02:50:43 Shane Bugbee: Uh oh.

02:50:46 Amy Bugbee: My email address is generalAmy@ameritech.net.

02:50:49 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. Okay, sorry. I don't email you much seeing as I'm living with you.

02:50:55 Amy Bugbee: ...in the next room and all.

02:50:57 Doug Misicko: Mine is overlord@dysgenics.com D-Y-S-G-E-N-I-C-S...

02:51:08 Shane Bugbee: S-U-C-K-M-Y-C-O-K. C-O-K? C-O-C-K, okay.

02:51:15 Amy Bugbee: Wow. Well, Mister my-gun-is-bigger says he's gonna stay awake. And stay tuned in the whole time.

02:51:24 Shane Bugbee: Well, I'll tell you if he does. He emails us each hour. I'm going to send you a pair of my wife's dirty panties whether she likes it or not. Okay.

02:51:31 Doug Misicko: He eats everything on his plate.

02:51:33 Shane Bugbee: I'll send you a pair of Doug's dirty panties, too. You get three sets of dirty panties, you listen all night and more. You get a bucket of hate, buddy.

02:51:44 Doug Misicko: Bloody and shitty.

02:51:45 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

02:51:46 Doug Misicko: I can't even hold my mud.

02:51:50 Amy Bugbee: Oh No.

02:51:52 Shane Bugbee: Well, I'm not getting any email. So I'm going to take a nap for a couple hours until some motherfucker calls does something. Email huh? Do I need to play that noise CD? Wake someone up. Jerome Gerod, Gerod. Gerod is the only one emailing tonight

02:52:12 Amy Bugbee: Well Honey Hellfire is in the chat room and Jesus Cunt was in the chat room but they left.

02:52:17 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Honey Hellfire, whoooo! Best show on Radio Free Satan and I don't even like the shitty music that they play on that show. I love it though. Cuz Honey plays it, okay. It's not shitty music you know? I'm teasing, but I didn't really didn't have I don't have a I'm into metal. Okay, metal, metal: Venom, Slayer. Slayers all I really listened to, that's it. And But Honey has turned me on to some good music. She's awesome. Awesome. And I think she does a radio show in the nude. Okay, it's crazy. Doug? What's going on with that one eye man Doug's sleeping. He keeps his bad eye open so we think he's awake.

02:52:59 Doug Misicko: Son of a bitch.

02:53:03 Shane Bugbee: That's a good talent. Man. You can keep the one eye, the bad eye open, everybody thinks you're awake.

02:53:08 Doug Misicko: We'll all be matching by the time this is over.

02:53:13 Shane Bugbee: I had weapons laid out on the table. Before I started this. I had a bunch of knives on the table. So we could just pick our knives. Oh yeah, that's mine. Give me my knife.

02:53:24 Doug Misicko: Fuck no. [struggling]

02:53:26 Amy Bugbee: The better weapon is that lead thing for beating people.

02:53:30 Shane Bugbee: Here's the really good weapon buddy.

02:53:33 Amy Bugbee: Shane hit himself in the arm with it and had a huge bruise.

02:53:35 Shane Bugbee: I will. I will take... [ringing]

02:53:38 Amy Bugbee: Uh-Oh, we have a call.

02:53:39 Shane Bugbee: Let's try to get this call.

02:53:41 Doug Misicko: You'd better get it, it might be the phone.

02:53:44 Amy Bugbee: Hello?

02:53:50 Shane Bugbee: Who's on the phone? You fucking quitter. You're a quitter!

02:53:55 Doug Misicko: Is it disconnected?

02:53:56 Amy Bugbee: No. No, it's on.

02:53:57 Shane Bugbee: What I tell you? Your mother's here.

02:54:03 Doug Misicko: You know [I choked too.]

02:54:05 Shane Bugbee: Boo. ... Well someone do some talking.

02:54:12 Doug Misicko: It's a fucking fed.

02:54:14 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

Gerod Staaf Call

02:54:15 Shane Bugbee: Hello!

02:54:17 Gerod Staaf: Hey, how we doing? This is Gerod calling.

02:54:19 Amy Bugbee: How're those Subway sandwiches?

02:54:26 Gerod Staaf: [laughs] The phone the phone kept dying on me when I called last time. I'm not sure what precisely happened.

02:54:31 Doug Misicko: Are you on a cell phone?

02:54:33 Gerod Staaf [a.k.a. Gzerod Von Staaf]: Yeah, no, I'm not on a cell phone, I'm on, I'm on a regular phone, but I think- you know it's hard to say what happened. I just couldn't hear you guys it just sounded like [mimics whitenoise]

02:54:41 Doug Misicko: Which one of us is gonna win the knife fight?

02:54:44 Shane Bugbee: Quit making exuses for weakness.

02:54:47 Gerod Staaf: [laughs] It's antithetical the principles of the book.

02:54:51 Shane Bugbee: Well, I can't believe good old Gerod's callign, man.

02:54:53 Gerod Staaf: Oh, hey, it's my pleasure. It's- it's- it's an exciting era when we know that there's these brave souls that are putting out this literature. It's it's an exciting time to be alive.

02:55:08 Shane Bugbee: I don't know, I wouldn't go that far about "exciting time to be alive."

02:55:12 Gerod Staaf: Yeah.

02:55:17 Doug Misicko: So which one of us is gonna win the knife fight, Gerod?

02:55:20 Gerod Staaf: What's that?

02:55:21 Doug Misicko: Which one of us is gonna win the knife fight?

02:55:25 Shane Bugbee: Whoever strikes first.

02:55:27 Gerod Staaf: Shane. Shane will win it.

02:55:29 Doug Misicko: Oh, bullshit, you motherfucker. You didn't even ask. You didn't even ask who's got the training, goddamnit!

02:55:39 Shane Bugbee: What happened?

02:55:41 Gerod Staaf: Dysgenics.com. Is that the artist's?

02:55:44 Shane Bugbee: That's a gay porno site.

02:55:47 Doug Misicko: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's me the Dysgenics.

02:55:53 Amy Bugbee: Things are falling.

02:55:58 Gerod Staaf: Hey, listen, I got a joke to tell. What's the difference between acne and a priest?

02:56:05 Shane Bugbee: Acne?

02:56:06 Gerod Staaf: Acne and a priest? Acne comes on a boy's face after he turns 13.

02:56:20 Shane Bugbee: Jarod, where are you from?

02:56:20 Gerod Staaf: I'm from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. I have a extreme metal family band with my parents. And we have a website at StaafOnly.com S-T-A-A-F-O-N-L-Y. And our lyrics are dedicated to the principles of Social Darwinism. And the idea that you know the strong rule the weak and the cunning govern all.

02:56:42 Shane Bugbee: I'm wondering if you have a band like that with your parents... Why did you only buy one book? Why did you only buy one book?

02:56:51 Gerod Staaf: We have many books.

02:56:52 Shane Bugbee: Why don't you buy... Why Why don't you buy three copies of Might is Right, one for your mom, one for your dad?

02:56:56 Gerod Staaf: Interestingly enough, I ordered the book... I ordered the book a year ago, over a year ago. Shane's had a busy year so...

02:57:08 Doug Misicko: That's bullshit. I heard it was at least two. Shane's not gonna stand for the slender. We are both holding knives.

02:57:21 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. It's well over a year.

02:57:22 Shane Bugbee: I'm ready motherfucker. I want my switchblade now.

02:57:24 Doug Misicko: We're fucking ready to go.

02:57:26 Shane Bugbee: Gimme that switchplate motherfucker. I call the big...

02:57:28 Doug Misicko: First one to nod off gets stabbed.

02:57:30 Amy Bugbee: Oh no! More coffee.

02:57:31 Shane Bugbee: You know what if Thomas Thorn show up here, we can invite him in and I can shoot him and say he broke in and you can get away with killing him legally.

02:57:40 Doug Misicko: Look, I'm not saying I have anything against the guy but I could cut out one of his eyes. I don't need to have something against somebody for that.

02:57:45 Shane Bugbee: Like, Gerod wanted to talk to me. Quit hogging the attention, alright.

02:57:50 Doug Misicko: Gerod, you may continue now.

02:57:52 Gerod Staaf: Boyd Rice and I'm I'm curious how you guys first met?

02:57:57 Shane Bugbee: Well...

02:57:57 Doug Misicko: It was at a truck stop. There's some graffiti on the wall, favorite time.

02:58:03 Shane Bugbee: I was curious at one time in my life. He was driving a truck, and I was looking for a ride.

02:58:09 Gerod Staaf: [laughs] You're kiddin me.

02:58:10 Doug Misicko: Said "Headin my way?"

02:58:11 Shane Bugbee: All right. Listen, I I did a concert called the expo the extreme. And I buy performers to perform for me like a king. I got Joker's like Boyd Rice and Thomas Thorn, you know, you can buy these pitches for a couple 100 bucks. And they shot a birthday party. So Boyd came to play my birthday party. And he didn't come with his equipment. He got stage fright.

02:58:30 Doug Misicko: Bar mitzvah.

02:58:31 Shane Bugbee: He said his stuff was broken. He couldn't play, couldn't perform. And then at the end of the night, he wanted to get paid, and I said, "But you didn't do your work," and I'm a, I'm from the plumber- from the breed, plumber breed.

02:58:47 Gerod Staaf: Where you have to work, you got to deliver in order to get the goods.

02:58:51 Shane Bugbee: Yeah man, ya gotta do the job, and I couldn't imagine I said well let's work a deal out. Maybe I'll give you...

02:58:56 Doug Misicko: He went flaccid.

02:58:57 Amy Bugbee: This was after we paid for him to come to Chicago and to go to the East Coast to see his his son and...

02:59:05 Gerod Staaf: Wolfgang, right.

02:59:06 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, the worst. I'll tell you, buddy. The worst part about is I tried to work out a deal with him. He didn't play. I'm willing to meet anyone halfway with problems. You know that Gerod.

02:59:16 Gerod Staaf: Exactly.

02:59:17 Shane Bugbee: I tell them, I tell them, Listen, just call me we'll work it out. And all he does is go run all the United States and bad mouth may say this guy doesn't pay me. I'll pay him. Double the amount if he wants to talk shit to my face.

02:59:32 Gerod Staaf: You'll pay him with a punch to the teeth. [laughs]

02:59:35 Doug Misicko: Gerod, please. We don't want anybody saying anything about the president.

02:59:41 Gerod Staaf: Yeah.

02:59:42 Shane Bugbee: Oh, you're right. Check my mic. Thanks, Rich.

02:59:46 Gerod Staaf: Just to get people all hopped up. Well, I guess. I guess it's officially September 11. Am I right?

02:59:53 Doug Misicko: Yeah, well, it's well into it now.

02:59:56 Shane Bugbee: Why? You got plans?

02:59:57 Gerod Staaf: No. [laughs]

02:59:58 Shane Bugbee: Tell me you got plans. Let me take my pants off first.

Hour 4

Gerod Staaf call cont.

03:00:01 Gerod Staaf: Yeah, really. Well, no, no plans yet. No, I got no plans. I got plans to watch TV and see what the fuck happens.

03:00:08 Shane Bugbee: How about your mom or dad?

03:00:10 Gerod Staaf: What's that?

03:00:11 Shane Bugbee: Do they have plans?

03:00:13 Gerod Staaf: No, no, we got plans to record an album.

03:00:16 Doug Misicko: You got any sisters that look like you?

03:00:18 Gerod Staaf: No, she doesn't want anything to do with the music.

03:00:22 Shane Bugbee: Horrible. How do you know what Gerod looks like?

03:00:31 Gerod Staaf: GerodStaaf.com this is award winning groundbreaking fucking best stuff, you got to see this brother.

03:00:36 Doug Misicko: Gerod Staaf is okay. But Gerod, Gerod's staff we're not signing on to.

03:00:45 Gerod Staaf: You gotta see the site.

03:00:47 Shane Bugbee: Now Jer... I have to attest Gerod does some wicked Web work. He is a is an artist with the web pages. You wish you could do stuff with yours, Doug. Doug's has got dust. You ever see tumbleweeds blow across a website? Go to dysgenics.com

03:01:05 Doug Misicko: There's a couple paragraphs, that's about it.

03:01:09 Shane Bugbee: See, Doug just doesn't give a fuck.

03:01:11 Doug Misicko: I just don't give a fuck. Gerod, you can you sign on there and a couple years it might have something else on it, for you.

03:01:23 Amy Bugbee: So what is your mom do in your band?

03:01:26 Gerod Staaf: She plays bass, and she does backing vocals.

03:01:30 Shane Bugbee: Wow. That's impressive. Are you not? Are you lying about this, or is this real?

03:01:34 Gerod Staaf: Go to staafonly.com...

03:01:36 Shane Bugbee: Why would I ask that, like if your lying , your gonna tell me the truth...

03:01:42 Gerod Staaf: We've got an original song called "Leviathan", and we've got an Emperor cover called "The Warriors of Modern Death". We got 2 songs on that website.

03:01:47 Shane Bugbee: So how old is your mom?

03:01:49 Gerod Staaf: Pardon me?

03:01:50 Shane Bugbee: How old's your mom?

03:01:51 Gerod Staaf: 49. You should know.

03:01:52 Shane Bugbee: So do they swing?

03:01:54 Gerod Staaf: [laughs] What's that?

03:01:55 Shane Bugbee: So did you do your parents swing?

03:01:59 Gerod Staaf: Probably.

03:02:00 Shane Bugbee: Probably? You don't know?

03:02:01 Gerod Staaf: Well, I you know they're sleeping right now. I- maybe I should go ask them.

03:02:05 Doug Misicko: Nah. He didn't mean right at this very moment.

03:02:07 Shane Bugbee: I'll tell you Gerod, I'm gonna throw in an extra shirt if you join them in in the bed.

03:02:14 Gerod Staaf: That would be that'd be something that you know, I've never heard of that. Incest is best.

03:02:21 Shane Bugbee: Can you hear that train horn, Gerod?

03:02:24 Gerod Staaf: Where are you guys?

03:02:25 Shane Bugbee: Can you hear that train horn?

03:02:26 Gerod Staaf: I sure can.

03:02:27 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I live... you wanna know something? I got this crazy haunted house.

03:02:31 Gerod Staaf: Really?

03:02:32 Shane Bugbee: Just shut the fuck up, Gerod. Listen. I got this crazy haunted house and it's in between- I'm- I'm 25 feet from one set of train tracks and about 30 from the other. I'm right in between the trains.

03:02:44 Gerod Staaf: Hey, where in America? Are you?

03:02:46 Shane Bugbee: Hammond, Indiana.

03:02:48 Gerod Staaf: Holy smokes, that's... I've always wanted to go to Indiana. What's it like? What's the weather like right now?

03:02:55 Doug Misicko: Oh, Indiana is a paradise man. It's an oasis in the Midwest.

03:03:00 Shane Bugbee: We are we are about 30 minutes from Gary, Indiana, home of Michael Jackson, and home of the- It's the murder capital of the world.

03:03:06 Doug Misicko: The fun center of the world.

03:03:08 Shane Bugbee: On my left I have a bunch of, um, Jehovah Witness niggers. And on my right I have a bunch of... taco chokers.

03:03:17 Gerod Staaf: What about the Branch Davidian. Have you ever met any of them?

03:03:20 Amy Bugbee: Oh, yes.

03:03:21 Shane Bugbee: What are they like?

03:03:22 Amy Bugbee: Very nice. Uh, separatists.

03:03:25 Gerod Staaf: Right.

03:03:27 Shane Bugbee: Hey, they want everyone to die so they can go to heaven. So I can appreciate that kind of...

03:03:33 Gerod Staaf: Yeah. [laughs] Some common ground there.

03:03:35 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. They just they believe they're going up, and I guess you know, whatever.

03:03:39 Amy Bugbee: Everyone else is going down.

03:03:41 Gerod Staaf: Everyone else is going down. Hey, do you think they're gonna pull off something sweet and nasty. Today is September 11.

03:03:47 Amy Bugbee: The Branch Davidians?

03:03:48 Gerod Staaf: Yeah.

03:03:48 Shane Bugbee: No.

03:03:49 Amy Bugbee: I think there's only like nine of them left.

03:03:51 Shane Bugbee: Now they're not into doing it. They want other people to do it. You know...

03:03:55 Doug Misicko: I'll tell you what, there won't be another terrorist strike till it gets down to the wire for reelection time.

03:04:00 Gerod Staaf: Exactly.

03:04:01 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

03:04:03 Gerod Staaf: It sure sure boosted Mr. Bush's career, didn't it?

03:04:06 Doug Misicko: Oh, yeah. It was very...

03:04:08 Gerod Staaf: ...gave them some enemy to rile up. They say- I read in that book, the human uh- Yeah, I think of The Human Zoo by Desmond Morris. And he says nothing helps the leader like a great like nothing helps a leader like a good war.

03:04:22 Doug Misicko: Oh, we'll see if there's even an election. I mean, you can say there was last time. I'm not even sure. But this time we'll see if he can declare a state of emergency keep as stupid as in there.

03:04:35 Gerod Staaf: He's a cowboy.

03:04:37 Doug Misicko: I think he's in the middle of trying to bankrupt the country so he can try to put everything in private hands.

03:04:42 Gerod Staaf: Notice how he says "Our nation's prayers are with you all" - What a fucking ignorant thing to say. Like First of all, what he's acting on the assumption that everybody has prayers you know, what a what a wise thing for him to say would have been "the nation's thoughts are with the victims' families."

03:05:02 Doug Misicko: I can almost respect that. I can almost respect the way the guy goes about things. It's just the side he's working for. 'Cause, I know I'd be doing the same kind of shit. But in a completely opposite direction. It's to the point now where the pendulum swinging and you have to choose which brand of totalitarianism you'll go with.

03:05:23 Gerod Staaf: Precisely. No, the guys, it's gonna be interesting. I don't think he's gonna be in that fucking office for very long.

03:05:31 Doug Misicko: I don't know, we'll see what he does.

What about the concept of eugenics?

03:05:33 Gerod Staaf: Now. What about the concept of eugenics? Do we see that being implemented anytime in the US?

03:05:39 Doug Misicko: I don't know. It would have to be- You know, I think eventually there's gonna have to be population control. And that's where it'll start. Then if you're going to start controlling the population, then you can start getting into the argument about in what direction you control the population, why don't you use it towards a eugenics end? Or at least curb dysgenics which is opposite eugenics. For those who don't know, the concept being that the stupidest people breed the most. It seems axiomatic at this point, it's just, hey, a given truism.

03:06:16 Shane Bugbee: Quit speaking French.

03:06:18 Doug Misicko: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Gerod.

03:06:21 Gerod Staaf: No, no. Not at all. You've got a great point.

03:06:23 Doug Misicko: Aren't you in Canada?

03:06:24 Gerod Staaf: The bottom line is that the stupidest people seem the most eager that churn out the most babies some plucky [ahoy] of [Iowa] shits out a litter of 20 puppies and they say it's a gift from God. Legs tied together and be heavily sedated.

03:06:39 Doug Misicko: They call it a miracle. They don't understand the process of reproduction, apparently.

03:06:45 Gerod Staaf: Right? It's absolutely ridiculous.

03:06:47 Doug Misicko: That's why they didn't wear a rubber, to begin with.

03:06:50 Gerod Staaf: I mean, I'm sure you and I would be doing this interview through means of telepathy by now if it wasn't for these humanitarian curmudgeons running the show for so long allowing inferior genes to taint ours.

03:07:02 Shane Bugbee: You know Gerod may be fucking you in the ass with telepathy, also. [laughs]

03:07:08 Doug Misicko: You notice you notice this these do-gooders for for the freedoms of reproduction? I don't know what the whole Catholic opinion on it. They're really degrading the quality of human life. Everything they do brings us down deeper and deeper into a cesspool. And they do it and so called moral grounds. It's disgusting.

03:07:34 Gerod Staaf: It's absolutely disgusting. And so very moral codes which a book like Might Is Right smashes, you know. But you know, allowing imbeciles to breed is simply just it's not ecologically sound. It only serves to strengthen our collective our misery quotient, you know? Fucking everything up.

03:07:55 Doug Misicko: Yeah, Mine Is Right didn't actually deal with eugenics.

03:08:00 Gerod Staaf: That's a good point.

03:08:01 Doug Misicko: But I think it's an interesting is... it somehow, somehow attaches itself to it in my mind, because that's that early 1900s thought process, you know? Late 1800s, it was building up the old Nietzschean idea before it all broke down. And now it seems like the trauma, the collective trauma of World War Two has left people too afraid to confront those issues. But it's gonna happen again. It's got to come up again. It just has to. The pendulum swings. It's unstoppable.

03:08:35 Gerod Staaf: Yeah. Well, I mean, the masses can only get so stupid. I mean, eugenics had very positive connotations prior the 1930s. I mean, look at the Romans right, then the Romans use eugenics.

03:08:47 Doug Misicko: Yeah, well, I don't I...

03:08:49 Shane Bugbee: They also used vomitoriums.

03:08:51 Amy Bugbee: I think it's a natural thing in the animal world. I mean wolves only, only the top wolves breed.

03:08:56 Gerod Staaf: Exactly is the way we deal with plants and animals ourselves. I mean, we don't allow inferior plants to be made and grown. You see?

03:09:06 Doug Misicko: Well, you know what you can go into any bookstore and look at a book about dog breeding or anything else, and they're dealing with the flat facts that they refuse to... to apply to humankind. As though humans are such a different animal—"the divine animal"—which anybody who knows anything about biology or science doesn't take very seriously.

03:09:27 Gerod Staaf: Oh, totally.

03:09:29 Doug Misicko: The facts are laid out for the farmers.

03:09:32 Gerod Staaf: Exactly. The problem is we've got these moralists running the show, and it's it's fucking throwing everything backwards a few feet that's, that's what's happening. They say that the- genetically we're deteriorating.

Eugenics and Presidential Politics

03:09:45 Doug Misicko: So what would you like to see with the presidency? What would you like to see happen with the presidency in the near future? Perhaps in Technicolor on the TV?

03:09:56 Gerod Staaf: I'd like to see something based on more of a meritocratic... meritocracy get rid of this illusion...

03:10:02 Doug Misicko: Goddamnit Gerod, let's cut to the chase. What do you want to see happen to George Junior?

03:10:07 Gerod Staaf: What's that?

03:10:08 Doug Misicko: You know what I'm talking about. What do you want to see happen to George Junior?

03:10:13 Gerod Staaf: What do I want to happen to George? I like George in the sense that he's from a you know, he's comes from a very- his bloodline is fascinating I mean...

03:10:22 Doug Misicko: You're ducking the question!

03:10:24 Gerod Staaf: ...is that his bloodline comes from an elite bloodline of people that go back a long long way.

03:10:28 Doug Misicko: But how come he's so fucking stupid? What happened?

03:10:33 Gerod Staaf: He's dumb like aquarium gravel because...

03:10:37 Doug Misicko: Barbra's bush whent sour.

03:10:39 Gerod Staaf: What's that?

03:10:40 Doug Misicko: Barbra's bush went sour.

03:10:45 Gerod Staaf: Frankly, the whole concept of a president is kind of silly anyway, because I don't personally think he's running the show. Anyway. He's a fucking puppet. Right. And he's just a mouth board. For the mealy mouthed constituents who first you know...

03:11:00 Doug Misicko: Yeah, they're not even good puppets anymore.

03:11:03 Amy Bugbee: Well no, he has that learning disability. I mean, let's face it. If eugenics were implemented today, George Bush would have been you know, washed down the toilet as an embryo. He has a learning disability. What?

03:11:15 Gerod Staaf: Exactly.

03:11:16 Doug Misicko: But you know what it's it's a disgraceful commentary of our culture that that's what wins a motherfucker an election. That's what gets somebody sympathy. All this asshole could say for himself was that he stopped drinking like a fucking idiot.

03:11:23 Gerod Staaf: Well, and he was a coke monkey as well.

03:11:25 Doug Misicko: He was binge dringking and snorting coke, like a maniac. And because he stopped, we're supposed to respect him. That's all he could say for his pitiful existence up until running for the motherfucking presidency. Goddamnit, Gerod, you got me all worked up. Me and Shane are gonna start knife fighting.

03:11:52 Gerod Staaf: Well, he bought his way into the presidency. Let's let's not forget... Am I right in saying that?

03:11:57 Doug Misicko: What's that?

03:11:59 Gerod Staaf: Well, he cheated his way into the presidency. He didn't. You know what I mean?

03:12:03 Doug Misicko: Oh, yeah. Everybody knows that.

03:12:05 Gerod Staaf: Yeah, I mean, the guy's a fucking phony. If anybody is I mean, it's pretty ridiculous. Now, what about Bill Clinton? Do you like him more?

03:12:11 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah, he should have been elected King.

03:12:13 Doug Misicko: I didn't like the guy. I thought he was a 'tard too. And everybody would always tell me. "He's a Rhodes Scholar. He's probably a smart guy." And I think that's a crock of shit. I think the drug-running through Arkansas is what got him the presidency.

03:12:28 Shane Bugbee: Who gives a fuck? Everyone was eating and making money when when a cock-sucking Democrat is in office, you eat. You do okay. When the republicans are in office, they need dishwashers. They want to break you down and make you a dishwasher and get you at lowest possible cash you can when the Democrats are in office, at least you can make a living, man.

03:12:48 Doug Misicko: Yeah, but that's just the very least I mean, you have Clinton and you still got him selling out the whole world to the IMF and WTO. So ya got problems. You got environmental problems. You got everything else and you think it's bad when you got Clinton and just because it's so much fucking worse when you got a dipshit like George Junior in there, you think the Democrats are good. And that's not really it. I mean, there's- they always have this, this one against the other side, and they'd never offer the third side. And so it just goes back and forth. And it's bullshit

03:13:24 Shane Bugbee: Bill Clinton had a lady in his office fucking a cigar. He's my president. Okay, he had no problem with that it seemed on the dress. The motherfucker didn't give a fuck. And with that, I love 'em. I don't love any president really but George, uh, George Clinton, should be in office.

03:13:45 Amy Bugbee: What we need is a revolution. That's what we need.

03:13:48 Gerod Staaf: I think Amy's made a very good point. And that is that if eugenics would have been implemented years back, we would Wouldn't be experiencing the defunct presidents. These- these fucked up people that are somehow found themselves in a degree of power. You know, we they wouldn't even be a reality right now if it wasn't for these humanitarians allowing these imbeciles to breed.

03:14:13 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well that's one thing Amy has a great theory she thinks people should have an IQ test before they can fuck or not fuck but breed.

03:14:20 Gerod Staaf: Absolutely. I mean, that's it's common sense. And unfortunately I think too common.

03:14:26 Shane Bugbee: Bring the showers back and start fucking sticking these pieces of shit in the fucking showers and start burning them up. Hitler had a good idea.

03:14:33 Doug Misicko: In many cases abortion should be mandatory.

03:14:37 Amy Bugbee: Absolutely.

03:14:38 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, but about Clinton and a revolution and stuff. I'm all with the revolution. But you have to have money to buy bullets with, at least the laws are lax. You can get away with sticking a full fist and a pussy when you do porno instead of keeping. Wait, wait Doug. Let me tell you the laws are really a lot firmer with Republicans in office silly laws. They're putting everyone in jail. At least a criminal can get out.

03:15:00 Doug Misicko: Look it we just had that thing on Waco. I mean, who was in office when fucking Waco happened?

03:15:07 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, big deal. He played both sides of the coin.

03:15:09 Amy Bugbee: Governor of Texas.

03:15:12 Shane Bugbee: Governor of Texas. Exactly. Bush.

03:15:15 Doug Misicko: You know what the Democrats they. I mean, Clinton...

03:15:19 Shane Bugbee: Played both sides of the fence big deal. He ran a good business. I don't give a fuck he ran a good business. I don't even care I want him gone. Everyone gone.

03:15:26 Doug Misicko: The Democratic candidates just seemed like George Junior-lite to me. Like Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman those three fucks are all pathetic. They wrote articles in foreign policy magazine talking about what they would do if they were president. And basically they said they do what Junior was doing, but not so much of it.

03:15:45 Shane Bugbee: And I'll definitely take the lesser of two evils. That's why I say Clinton is for me or Democrats for me.

03:15:50 Doug Misicko: Well, I'll take none of them.

03:15:52 Shane Bugbee: Well, yeah, but there's you have Okay, great. Yeah, we have to start somewhere and that's you can't start with that. In order for McVeigh who, okay. Who was in office when McVeigh blew up that fucking building. Clinton. Okay, so. Exactly. He got away with the shit. Okay.

03:16:08 Doug Misicko: He didn't get away with the shit. He got killed.

03:16:11 Shane Bugbee: Did he accomplish it? He knew he wasn't gonna live through it, dude.

03:16:15 Doug Misicko: Right.

03:16:16 Shane Bugbee: Let's face it. He drove up to a building with a bomb that blew away- the fucking the building. He didn't think he'd- I don't think he had much dreams of escaping into Hawaii after he blew up that building.

03:16:26 Amy Bugbee: And no, he sure didn't. He planned on getting caught and he had an envelope of literature in his car for the police, when he did get caught.

03:16:33 Shane Bugbee: He's a fucking hero. He went and gave his life for that shit.

03:16:36 Gerod Staaf: He didn't go looking for 77 or 70 virgins waiting for him after death.

03:16:42 Amy Bugbee: No, but he was trying to sneak some sperm out of the prison for some lucky lady. [laughs]

03:16:49 Shane Bugbee: I know Amy wrote a letter. I'm telling you. I actually had to have a serious conversation with Amy about this.

03:16:55 Doug Misicko: You guys lost me.

03:16:57 Shane Bugbee: Well, we were hoping to lose you. You fucking boring cocksucker.

03:17:01 Doug Misicko: Whoa. Gerod, what's this shit about 70 virgins, I need to come over where you're at.

03:17:06 Amy Bugbee: I think he's talking about the Muslims.

03:17:07 Shane Bugbee: Terrorists, the terrorists.

03:17:10 Gerod Staaf: The Muslims, they love the idea that, you know, give them the impetus to kill himself.

03:17:15 Doug Misicko: I'll ask you something. You ever fuck a virgin?

03:17:19 Gerod Staaf: Have I? No.

03:17:20 Doug Misicko: Well, I'll tell you. It's not. I mean, I mean, trying it out is great. But 70 of them. I think you get a little bored of it. And you want something that's got a little experience or been worked over a little bit.

03:17:32 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

03:17:35 Doug Misicko: So I don't know where these guys are coming from.

03:17:38 Gerod Staaf: Yeah, that's a good point. I think too, you know, they do a lot of these guys. They never had. They've never even had sex their whole life. You know, so the idea of having 70 virgins is just like, Holy fuck. Gonna be great.

03:17:52 Amy Bugbee: Sure. They're not even supposed to look at a woman in a sexual way.

03:17:56 Gerod Staaf: Totally.

03:17:57 Doug Misicko: They're all supposed to be John Ashcroft. And he hates them.

03:18:01 Gerod Staaf: Exactly.

03:18:02 Doug Misicko: Where's that leave you?

03:18:05 Gerod Staaf: Exactly.

03:18:06 Doug Misicko: He had a kid to be how do you think that happened?

03:18:08 Shane Bugbee: Who?

03:18:09 Doug Misicko: Asscroft.

03:18:11 Shane Bugbee: I was sleeping. What happened?

03:18:14 Amy Bugbee: What are you saying? You're the father?

03:18:16 Shane Bugbee: What are you bringing those subways over, Gerod?

03:18:19 Gerod Staaf: I got a question for Shane.

03:18:22 Shane Bugbee: Okay.

More Gossip About Thomas Thorn and Jim Goad

03:18:23 Gerod Staaf: I was gonna ask you about Thomas Thorn. You say you say you you're on bad grounds with him right now.

03:18:29 Shane Bugbee: I just think he's a punk. I don't care enough- I don't like him enough to even hate him. So it doesn't matter. Really. He's in... He's insignificant in my thought pattern. I just think he's a punk and I'm calling him out on it.

03:18:39 Gerod Staaf: So he sent you, was this what he did. He sent you a nasty letter?

03:18:43 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. Well, sent me a stupid letter. It wasn't even nasty. He's not even creative enough to be nasty. He tried to explain spam to me from a guy who fucking barely makes a fucking buck. He's gonna tell me about spam? I'm gonna I'm gonna signed him up for real spam tonight. Let me tell you it'll rock his world the real spam motherfuckers. Okay.

03:19:03 Amy Bugbee: I think the reality of it was he got the press releases and the emails from you and was upset you didn't invite him to participate.

03:19:09 Shane Bugbee: Well why would I? He's gonna drink and slobber [makes noises] smelly monkey, a future Ron Jeremy, a smelly fucking Jew.

03:19:22 Gerod Staaf: [laughs] Yeah, 'cause why I was just curious because I heard you, but I didn't catch all of it but yeah, just interesting.

03:19:30 Shane Bugbee: Whatever.

03:19:31 Gerod Staaf: What about Jim Goad? You're not on good grounds with him either.

03:19:33 Shane Bugbee: What?

03:19:34 Gerod Staaf: Jim Goad.

03:19:36 Shane Bugbee: Who? Who?

03:19:38 Gerod Staaf: Jim Goad.

03:19:39 Shane Bugbee: I don't know you're mentioning. Oh, that guy. Yeah the guy got out of prison has gone nowhere since. So Gerod, did you get Shit Magnet? Did you get that book?

03:19:49 Gerod Staaf: No, no.

03:19:50 Shane Bugbee: Well, exactly, exactly my man and you want to know something? It's a hunk of shit.

03:19:56 Gerod Staaf: Is it bad?

03:19:57 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I passed on it when he tried to sell it to me when he was in prison. Let me tell you a story, Gerod. Oh, you think what do you think about this? I'm gonna ask you a question. It's a question. What do you think about this? This guy's in prison for two years. No one returns his calls. No one. He needs money to get a lawyer. And he calls me and I give them I get the money. I borrow the money from from leg breaking motherfucking pimps that I know. And that ain't no bullshit. And so I borrow this money. Hold on Jerod... I borrow this money and get them the money and I buy answer me number four from him. It's a business deal, but I'm friendly. And I take his calls all the time for two fucking years. My phone bill's outrageous and I gotta listen to this guy's stupid, stupid...

03:20:42 Amy Bugbee: It was a nightmare.

03:20:43 Shane Bugbee: I mean, stupid life and stupid stories. And you know, and he had he may you know, I don't agree with beating on women. I mean, I don't agree with it. He- he has this philosophy. "What if the lady's as big as Mike Tyson?" I said run the fuck out of there, man. You know, what do you want? You don't but you don't- I don't- I don't agree with his philosophies. But anyway, publish the book do a lot of nice things for him and he's... he's a pussy. You know, I just think he's a pussy.

03:21:07 Amy Bugbee: Shane paid for his attorney.

03:21:08 Gerod Staaf: Basically, bit the hand that fed him.

03:21:11 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

03:21:12 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, he tried to talk shit like that. It wasn't even that I don't give a fuck about biting the hand that feeds ya. It's just being a punk about it. You know what if he's a man he want to knock my block off? He should have he should have been dead. You know when he just goes around to talk going back to this. I'm telling you dude, where I come from shit just doesn't happen like that, man. You got a problem with someone you go up and talk to him as a man and and you confront them, then it's over. You don't have all this time in your life to gossip like a bitch. And that's what the guys have done. So I lose any respect that ever had for them when they act like a bunch- and I don't mean to even bring women down when I say to act like a bitch or woman. It's- I- believe me. I don't mean that in the way it sounds. It's just a word. They act he act like a fucking female or some shit, man. I just don't I don't respect that. It's not cool.

03:21:58 Gerod Staaf: You haven't talked in a long time?

03:22:00 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, you know what? Knock your block off.

03:22:02 Doug Misicko: Where's that phrase come from?

03:22:04 Shane Bugbee: From the '50s he dressed like a rockabilly fuck, and he acts like one. He's a punk.

03:22:10 Doug Misicko: He used that phrase? He actually said...

03:22:13 Amy Bugbee: He said to Shane, "If I wasn't on parole, I'd knock your block off."

03:22:16 Shane Bugbee: Now listen, I don't like to do the same thing that these pricks are doing- Thomas Thorn emails me tries to start some shit because you can't fucking sell a record.

03:22:20 Amy Bugbee: He wants to hear his name on the radio.

03:22:22 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, Jim Goad. [train horn] That's my ride. I'll be back. Jim and Thomas Thorne does the same thing, Jim Goad does the same- They start fights. It's the entertainment business. And that's what it is. Those guys are trying to sell Hollywood stories, comic books and trinkets, key chains. And they're not even honest about it. They start this kind of bullshit. But I guarantee you when I see and they fucking shake your hand. When I was on tour, Jim Goad he had all this nasty shit to say about Reverend Randall Tinhorn. He said, "If that guy goes on the Angry White Male Tour with us, I'm gonna beat his fucking ass." He was so hostile about it. And then, I'll tell you, then when he goes to meet him in LA, it goes and shakes his hand, goes, "How you doing buddy?" And I'm on a video camera and I go, "Hey, Jim. I thought you're gonna beat his ass." And he goes, "Come on. I was kidding." But he wasn't. That's I'm telling you. I don't I don't know. It's weird stuff.

03:23:13 Gerod Staaf: It's pretty ridiculous.

03:23:15 Shane Bugbee: I guess so, Gerod. I don't know.

03:23:17 Gerod Staaf: You know, but that's Yeah, I mean, it's just it's the these people are not. They don't they don't have a warrior ethics thing.

03:23:26 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, are you working to promote his next CD or something to Jim's book? What's going on? Gerod?

03:23:30 Gerod Staaf: What's that?

03:23:31 Shane Bugbee: I thought you had a question about me, not about...

03:23:33 Doug Misicko: You work for the feds don't you?!

03:23:35 Shane Bugbee: ...Jim Thorne and Thomas Goad or whatever their names are, fucking losers.

03:23:39 Doug Misicko: It's about the president, isn't it?

03:23:41 Gerod Staaf: No, no, I'm just curious. I mean, I just read about these guys. I just, you know, you know, I spent all my time playing music. So it's just in my spare time I read about all these guys. And it's just it's just interesting. That's all.

03:23:53 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, here. Yeah. Basically, they're a bunch of fucking niggers looking for a handout. Yeah, that's how I look at it. They're always looking for someone to publish their book or put out their CD because they can't do it themselves. And that's, there's something to be said for that. I don't believe in that kind of life. Whatever.

Troubles Publishing "Might Is Right"

03:24:13 Gerod Staaf: So, Shane, what's taking a year what's taken over a year and a half to send that book?

03:24:19 Shane Bugbee: I just don't give a fuck.

03:24:22 Gerod Staaf: You should put that on your website.

03:24:25 Shane Bugbee: I will, I mean, that's what the summing up I don't give a fuck. But not really. Might Is Right is a real hard book to get published. But I don't know why. It baffles me. But I guess people say I'm numb to this stuff. I have never been able to put out a book without having- I've had printers rip original artwork in half. I've had people slashed my tires. I've had people physically beat me tried to be or have beaten me or punched me out the big guys. You know, I can't do anything about it. Knock my block off my grass. My ass was grass and they mowed it. Yeah, whatever. I mean, they were. I've had a lot of rough times. And Might Is Right, the first time we printed it with LaVey, man. That's an amazing story. I should save this for primetime. You're the only one listening Gerod. Okay.

03:25:09 Amy Bugbee: No, there's four people in the chat room.

03:25:12 Shane Bugbee: Four people... No. Honey Hellfire on four computers. Don't give me that bullshit. No, I tell you that when I published with LaVey, I did. Man it's an amazing story, Might Is Right for me. It's a really beautiful story to me. I, my wife here gave me The Satanic Bible, said "Have you ever read it?" And I said, wow. And read the first part. A little bit of it. I sold like 300 copies out of my store. I went to Catholic school and I really wanted to. I like to sell stuff with the baphomet. And I didn't give a fuck. I just was anti Catholic, right. And so my wife says, "You should really read this. It's a great book." And at the same time, this guy George Eric Hawthorne, he's from the band RaHoWa he's now known as "George Burdi".

03:25:42 Gerod Staaf: Yeah, he did the song "Might Is Right", right?

03:25:43 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, he did. He's one of the people- like 10 people have covered it. Yeah, but he did that. And he- he- he's I was interviewing him at the time is five years ago plus, and he sends me Might Is Right so I'm reading both books at the same time, I read the both of them. And I go, "Wow, this is the same fucking book." So I go into Amy's bedroom once, we're dating, and I say "Amy, check this book out. It's it's the same shit" and she goes, "Everyone rips off LaVey," "I don't know this 100-year-old book. How old is LaVey, man?" Yeah, and she- and then we you know find out- and I say, "Hey, I want to republish this, and I want to bring it to the Satanists because a lot of Satanists- and Amy has been a tried and true Satanist since, I don't- 12? Something, really young age. I mean her mom bought her- How old were you when your mom bought you The Satanic Bible?

03:26:46 Amy Bugbee: I was 14.

03:26:47 Shane Bugbee: 14. So I you know, to turn her on to Might Is Right. I thought I wanted to turn other evil fucks on to Might Is Right. And so that's where all came down. And when we contacted LaVey, you know one of the things that Blanche LaVey had said is, "Are you sure you want to do this? You know, this is a- this is a, you know, powerful book." And when we showed LaVey it, he told us before I released it to anyone how powerful and literary- "literary dynamite", and we left his house after hanging out with them and telling stories all night and such. And we went to the San Francisco Book Fair, and sure as shit man, 12 fucking anti-skinhead Nazis walk in the door walk right up to my table. "I hear you're putting out Might Is Right, you're a Nazi" and all this bullshit. Eventually saw through. I had tear gas also on my fucking belt ready for this shit. You know like I say if if you know if I have to fight I'm gonna have something with me in case I do get beat you know? Cuz if someone is bigger and "Might Is Right" then tear gas is right-er.

03:27:57 Gerod Staaf: Have you ever had death threats? Because of you publishing this book?

03:28:00 Shane Bugbee: All the time? Every book every book I've published I've gotten death threats every single day.

03:28:05 Gerod Staaf: From from identifiable people or are they totally anonymous?

03:28:10 Shane Bugbee: You- you are- you should be here doing this show. I should be on the phone calling you Gerod you need your own radio show. I'll tell you.

03:28:18 Gerod Staaf: It's just fascinating for me... it's a nice break....

03:28:20 Shane Bugbee: This is a good question. I'll tell you when I get death threats. I laugh at them because people who talk they don't do. Ever. Okay. Some people do. Some people get hot but most people I know the fucking, like I told you gangsters or leg breakers. They don't talk. They just smile and walk away and then three weeks later, your leg is broken out of nowhere. You've slipped on the ice. Someone jumped out of the bush and got ya.

03:28:48 Gerod Staaf: Totally.

03:28:49 Shane Bugbee: I forget what oh, what the fuck we talk...

03:28:51 Amy Bugbee: We're gonna tell them about the death threat. Where the...

03:28:53 Shane Bugbee: Oh check this out. Yeah, yeah. So I get death threats all time and I always know they're talking but I'm gonna tell you when I put out Might Is Right the first time it was fucked up, because I had David Lane, the guy who shot that Jewish talk show host, [his] wife wrote the editor's note, George, you know, RaHoWa, a racial holy war. He wrote the afterword, and LaVey wrote the foreword. So I got, I got pussy death threats from Satanistsaying, "Oh, well, you put a Nazi in there," not death threats but with commentary.

03:29:21 Gerod Staaf: Stupid comments.

03:29:22 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. And then the Nazis though. This was the the scary death threats were the Nazis and the skinheads. They sent me death threats and they sign their full name with the social security number under it. And they a lot of them said, Now you know who I am and how serious I am. Send this to the police. I were going to cut...

03:29:40 Gerod Staaf: Holy smokes...

03:29:41 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. And it was like, Holy fuck, man. That's some crazy shit to say, "I'm going to kill you. If I ever see you. Here's my name. Here's my social security number. Now you know how serious I am. You know, you fucking child pornographer" all this stuff. And that was a scary prospect. So...

03:29:58 Gerod Staaf: It's amazing they would they would feel so threatened by that, you know?

03:30:02 Shane Bugbee: Hey, did you know that we're gonna have George Eric Hawthorne for the first time talking about this stuff on later tonight?

03:30:08 Gerod Staaf: No way!

03:30:09 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. This is like one of the first...

03:30:11 Gerod Staaf: From the 14 words?

03:30:12 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

03:30:13 Gerod Staaf: When's he coming on?

03:30:14 Shane Bugbee: I think he's gonna be on like, seven, eight o'clock. I mean, the last part of the show, but from six to eight. You know, this is the lame stuff. No offense. But, you know... 7 p.m. and 8 p.m. Tom Metzger 9pm. Peter Gilmore, Blanche Barton, Peggy. Before that, you know, I don't... a no-named Jew. We have to get the Jew in. You know. For the other side. But um...

03:30:46 Gerod Staaf: So you got a lot of people from the Church of Satan coming on as well?

03:30:50 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. Radio Free Satan.

03:30:53 Gerod Staaf: This is a great show. I'm impressed. This is the first time I've tuned in.

03:30:57 Shane Bugbee: Well, well, thanks Might Is Right. The foreword was written by LaVey I mean, it's a book I put out. And I keep an eye. That's one book. I've stopped publishing comic books and a lot of books. But Might Is Right is one I will keep in print until I'm in the ground.

03:31:10 Gerod Staaf: Yeah, exactly. I noticed you've got a new a new design for the cover as well.

03:31:15 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. Oh, yeah. You like that?

03:31:17 Gerod Staaf: I like it. It's a little more militant looking. How's that?

03:31:21 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, it's less Nazi looking. Right?

The Nazis Gave Social Darwinism, Eugenics, and Antisemitism A Bad Name

03:31:23 Gerod Staaf: Well, yeah. I mean, you know, it's, it's funny how people associate Naz- like the Nazi thing immediately with that social Darwinist... It's the only thing they can put together, you know what I mean? There's they have a ner- a knee-jerk reaction. All you have to do as mentioned social Darwinism, they immediately think of World War Two.

03:31:42 Doug Misicko: Right. That's exactly what I was talking about, that the unconscious collective trauma of World War Two, apparently.

03:31:53 Gerod Staaf: Exactly. It was just- it just threw things off. And I think- it you know, speaking of eugenics, it kind of gave eugenics, a bad name too... completely ruined it.

03:32:04 Doug Misicko: Threw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.[3]

03:32:07 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

03:32:08 Gerod Staaf: Precisely.

03:32:09 Doug Misicko: I mean, just like antisemitic to me isn't a bad word, it just depends.

03:32:14 Gerod Staaf: ...society we'd be living in right now. Because I really think that eugenics would be something that would be used much more openly than it is now.

03:32:22 Doug Misicko: Like, I think it's okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they're Jewish, and they were a stupid fucking frisbee on their head and walk around think they're God's chosen people. It's not okay to hate somebody just because their parents were stupid fucking Jews and were stupid frisbees on their head and thought that Jews are God's chosen people. I mean, is that it's not what they they choose to go along with. And they're they're normal people too.

03:32:46 Shane Bugbee: If they're Jews?

03:32:47 Doug Misicko: Oh, if they were born of Jewish blood, but if they don't follow that whole Zionism line of bullshit, they're ok.

03:32:53 Shane Bugbee: Are you telling me anyone the Jewish blood is okay with you?

03:32:56 Doug Misicko: No, I'm telling you, I'm telling you that not everybody of Jewish blood is okay with me. It depends on if they follow the Jewish uh...

03:33:04 Shane Bugbee: Do you like Satanic Jews?

03:33:06 Doug Misicko: Satanic jews are fine.

03:33:08 Shane Bugbee: I don't know about that. I don't like any Jews.

03:33:10 Doug Misicko: It isn't Jews, it's Zionism I...

03:33:12 Shane Bugbee: Jew blood- one drop a Jew blood means you ain't breaking bread with me, motherfucker. Why? You Jew? You Jew?

03:33:19 Doug Misicko: Yeah, some of them...

03:33:20 Shane Bugbee: He's getting upset. I think his ears are turning right I think I think- I think- these last name might be fake for Jew.

"I'm An Aryan King!"

03:33:27 Doug Misicko: Look at me, I'm an Aryan King!

03:33:31 Amy Bugbee: Maybe so many Jews wouldn't have been killed if they wouldn't have all turned on each other like they did during World War Two.

03:33:40 Gerod Staaf: A lot of that has been covered up, but you know, there was a lot of fighting amongst themselves. And also we should never forget that it was not 6 million people. [chuckles] It was actually under 3 million.

03:33:52 Shane Bugbee: More Polish- Polish folk died in the concentration camps and in the showers and in the ovens than the Jews, but no one talks about that.

03:34:01 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

03:34:02 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, that's why I hate the Jews.

03:34:04 Amy Bugbee: The Poles, the Russians, the gypsies, many more of them were slaughtered than the Jews, but the Jews are the ones who go around and demand money from the Swedish banks and do all this stuff. They want reparations just like the Blacks. You know, it's bullshit. And speaking of eugenics, up until the mid-70s. In California, they did sterilize retarded people and stuff. So something like 18,000 people were sterilized up until, I don't know 77 or something. And now they're talking about giving those people reparations, and their- their family members.

03:34:41 Gerod Staaf: That's fascinating. I never knew that.

03:34:43 Shane Bugbee: Well know what...

03:34:44 Doug Misicko: Eugenics was at its biggest in America.

03:34:47 Shane Bugbee: I'll tell you another thing that's fascinating: LaVey was the only Jew I ever liked. Okay. That's it. That's it.

03:34:55 Gerod Staaf: He's the only one. [laughs]

03:34:57 Shane Bugbee: I fake I like the rest because they got money.

03:34:59 Gerod Staaf: Jewish person, or did he just have Jewish blood?

03:35:04 Shane Bugbee: You know, obviously, it was a Satanist. Someone else tried to tell me, LaVey is a Jew. I said I thought he was a Satanist.

03:35:09 Amy Bugbee: I thought he was a Chicagoan.

03:35:11 Shane Bugbee: He's a Chicagoan, but yeah, all the rest of the Jews. I'm just friendly with because they have money somewhere in their family. I'm trying to get to it.

03:35:20 Gerod Staaf: So what do you think of a book like Mein Kampf? Did you identify with Hitler? I mean...

03:35:25 Shane Bugbee: Hitler was a great man, obviously. I mean, it's just the obvious people try to beat him down. But I mean, look what he did. He's a great man.

03:35:31 Gerod Staaf: Right? I mean, you can give me his...

03:35:32 Shane Bugbee: He scared everybody scared the world. He was so great and so fast. A conquering guy was brilliant. He took over so much so quick. He freaked out everyone. They came down on him like a shit brickhouse because he tripped them out. He just moved. He should have moved a little slower.

03:35:47 Amy Bugbee: And don't forget, George Bush's grandfather was funding him left and right with oil and oil money.

03:35:55 Shane Bugbee: Did you know George Bush's grandfather was the top three contributors to Hitler's campaign?

03:36:00 Gerod Staaf: Wow, I never knew that.

03:36:03 Shane Bugbee: Well...

03:36:05 Doug Misicko: That's why you signed on this shit here...

03:36:11 Amy Bugbee: Groucho Marx was a cool Jew.

03:36:14 Gerod Staaf: Right. ...or what about the...

03:36:18 Shane BugbeeAnd so were The Three Stooges. The Three Stooges- Hold on, Gerod this my fucking show, motherfucker! I'll tell you The Three Stooges were great Jews, and they're funny, but it's like a joker coming to the King's place and you throw pies at him. They entertain, so who gives a fuck? I may have broken bread with Moe Howard. Okay. I write The Stooges up there with LaVey as great, great people. Stooges are great. What?

03:36:48 Gerod Staaf: Exactly.

03:36:48 Doug Misicko: The Beastie Boys...

03:36:50 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. Gerod, all I want you to say is "exactly" and agree with everything we're saying.

03:36:54 Gerod Staaf: Well, you'd be amazed. I mean, sometimes I talk to people and sometimes they have ideas that just totally contradict everything I stand for. But I mean, when when you talk to people that are on your same hump. I mean, there's not really much there that you can't- just that you can disagree with.

03:37:14 Shane Bugbee: You dig? Oh, yeah, I dig a grave right now.

03:37:17 Gerod Staaf: Hey, but you know what, I gotta fly because I gotta get up early in the morning. And it's 130 up here.

03:37:20 Shane Bugbee: What's what's that old joke? I hope you don't Your arms are gonna get tired or something. I gotta fly. I can't tell jokes. Gerod. That's your business. Where's the joke to the road?

03:37:32 Gerod Staaf: That joke that I wrote about the 13...

03:37:34 Shane Bugbee: Don't you have a new one?

03:37:37 Gerod Staaf: The difference between acne and a priest?

03:37:39 Shane Bugbee: Gerod, can you wake up your mom for me right now?

03:37:42 Gerod Staaf: No, she's- she's- she's dead tired.

03:37:44 Shane Bugbee: Dead? Tired. Wow.

03:37:45 Amy Bugbee: So Are your parents just really hip? Or were they did they have you when they were 12?

03:37:52 Gerod Staaf: No, they had me when I was about to- well, they were 20s You know, it was kind of a normal upbringing. But we just started playing blues, blues music and it just got more and more extreme. And then I got into violent styles and music and we became what we are now. But I mean, if you go to StaafOnly.com It explains much more than I could ever.

03:38:11 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Gerod. Can you Is it possible if you email me an mp3 so I can play it?

03:38:17 Gerod Staaf: Absolutely.

03:38:18 Shane Bugbee: And I'd also love to ask you about is does your mind work for a living? Or she like is fucking women that sit at home and milk it?

03:38:26 Gerod Staaf: Oh, no kidding. [crosstalk]... Here, Here.

03:38:30 Shane Bugbee: No does she work?

03:38:34 Gerod Staaf: Yeah, she works as a real estate assistant. Uh, no. She can call tomorrow at noon.

03:38:38 Shane Bugbee: I'd love to talk to her. We're gonna have some metal folks in here.

03:38:41 Gerod Staaf: Okay, well, let's let's, let's arrange something.

03:38:45 Shane Bugbee: Well, we are right now. Gerod, give me a call. Tell you about a call. Tell your ma to call me, Gerod.

03:38:51 Gerod Staaf: I promise.

03:38:51 Shane Bugbee: Send me that mp3.

03:38:54 Gerod Staaf: Okay, I'll send it to you right now, brother.

03:38:56 Shane Bugbee: Get some sleep dude.

03:38:57 Gerod Staaf: Okay, brother and thanks so much and it was a pleasure talking to you all.

03:39:01 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah, goodbye. You know, we're gonna I think we're gonna play a song and it's gonna go out to Thomas Thorn. And this is going out from Doug. Doug wanted me to play this for you Thomas

03:39:11 Doug Misicko: Is it-?

Anti-Black Racist Song

03:39:12 Canned Audio:
Some N-----s Never Die (They Just Smell That Way)
The other day I took a fishin' trip
Just me and my boat, and ol' Banjo Lip
Banjo was my guide, an old colored feller
He wasn't very dark, he was a high-steppin' yeller
So we launched my boat, and I cranked my motor
And up to my nose came a terrible odor
I looked around, tryin' to find somethin' dead
But it was Banjo with his arm up, scratchin' his head

Some niggers never die
They just smell that way

Now the more he'd scratch, the more he'd sweat
And I'm here to say he was-a-chokin' me to death
So we loaded up, I just couldn't go on
And I coughed and I gagged, all the way home
When I dropped him off, I was next to dyin'
My nose was-a-runnin, and my eyes were-a-cryin'
The smell scorched the hair right out of my nose
When I got home I had to burn all my clothes

Some niggers never die
They just smell that way

I recooperated quick, I was thankful for that
I was only in bed for a week and a half
The very first day I was up on my feet
I went to the supermarket, down the street
I shopped all around, and I filled out my order
My groceries were bagged by a fat nigger porter
The air conditioner was broke and I was ferocious
'Cause it was hot and that nigger was a-sweatin' on my groceries

Some niggers never die
They just smell that way

The vegetables and greens I bought started wiltin'
My blood pressure rose, and I could've killed 'em
I was gonna smash him all over that place
But he raised up his arm, and I fell on my face
Now I'm here in the hospital and at the ceiling I stare
I coulda whipped that nigger, 'cept he used germ warfare
So from now on I'll carry a long, long stick
'Cause if I can keep from the smell, then I'll have 'em licked

Some niggers never die
They just smell that way

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03:43:05 Canned Audio: Okay Radio Free. Tell me what's going on. Wow. Now it's just a bunch of kids coming from all over the state. Okay. Well, they weren't many pounds if you people would just stay away because there's not going to be noise. You guys are going to have to have an attorney. newspapers. And you guys new job and you're ready to make fools yourself.

03:45:55 You're dead you're dead so much chop off his head and mail it to them in a garbage bag.

John Hinckley vs. Charles Manson

03:47:03 Amy Bugbee: Oh yeah, the good old crucifucks saying it like it is. Hinckley had a vision. I think it's pretty crazy. They're talking about letting Hinckley out of prison.

03:47:15 Doug Misicko: What's so crazy about that?

03:47:17 Amy Bugbee: Because he actually shot somebody here poor Charles Manson didn't do a damn thing and he's still rotting in jail.

03:47:23 Doug Misicko: But Hinkley didn't actually shoot anybody did he shot Ronald Reagan.

03:47:28 Amy Bugbee: Manson didn't do anything to anybody just had a nice little house out in the desert.

03:47:33 Doug Misicko: Na, he he tied those people he tied...

03:47:38 Amy Bugbee: He tied a few people up and assure them that they were just going to be robbed.

03:47:43 Doug Misicko: But they were murdered.

03:47:44 Amy Bugbee: He didn't do it. He's in prison forever and ever. Because he didn't kill anybody. He tied someone up. You know what I've known people that have killed people. Shit. I knew a guy who stabbed some guys 17 times and he did 18 months in prison. And yet poor Charles Manson is in there forever.

03:48:04 Doug Misicko: But do you think that it was right that he did only 18 months?

03:48:08 Amy Bugbee: Sure. He was a real nice guy. Of course he is in for life now.

03:48:12 Shane Bugbee: But didn't he kill like a mother?

03:48:15 Amy Bugbee: That was later.

03:48:17 Shane Bugbee: I mean, that's sort of... Oh, he killed the the the the drug dealer he was queered off with in a homosexual rage. That's what you said, Amy.

03:48:25 Amy Bugbee: He shot him his homosexual drug dealer lover. But the first guy he killed was a cook at a restaurant he dined and dashed and the cook came after him with a knife and so he stabbed him.

03:48:36 Shane Bugbee: The guy came after him with a knife so he was asking for it. You come after someone with a knife and you get killed, you sort of... you sort of asked for it.

03:48:43 Doug Misicko: You made it a life or death situation when you come with a kinfe.

03:48:46 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, that's a different thing. But..

03:48:48 Doug Misicko: I'm holding a knife now.

03:48:49 Shane Bugbee: and I'll fuck you up motherfucker. Remember I'll crack you over my knee like a fucking wood stick. I'll let you stab me it's survival of the fattest in this room buddy. You'll get so far in before that knife will just give up, okay?

03:49:04 Doug Misicko: We'll see.

03:49:05 Amy Bugbee: What I want to know is which pres which candidate for governor and kick in California is going to let Manson go free who's gonna pardon Manson? They'll get they'll get the votes.

03:49:16 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I'd vote for him I'd moved to California and vote.

03:49:18 Amy Bugbee: Just to vote.

03:49:19 Shane Bugbee: I only vote with bullets.

03:49:21 Doug Misicko: Who gives a fuck whether Manson stays in or not?

03:49:24 Shane Bugbee: Me.

03:49:24 Doug Misicko: He's not so goddamn bright. Everybody makes he's as gifted philosopher and shit like that. But the man is no genius.

03:49:35 Amy Bugbee: Who?

03:49:36 Doug Misicko: Manson.

03:49:37 Shane Bugbee: I beg to differ.

03:49:38 Amy Bugbee: Should he be imprisoned for not being a genius?

03:49:40 Shane Bugbee: I beg to differ and you're going to find out in this next chunk of stuff I'm gonna play I'm gonna play some genius Manson.I think I think Manson is a great...

03:49:50 Doug Misicko: Play us some chunk, fat boy!

03:49:52 Shane Bugbee: Hey watch it eye. Watch it eye boy. Give me, give me something hit you with though. Listen, we can say stuff about the niggers the speaks the Jews but you start talking about the fats. And you're gonna get fucked up. Alright, skinny, scrawny runt of the fucking litter. Listen one eye bitch.

03:50:18 Doug Misicko: All right, play your Manson.

03:50:20 Shane Bugbee: Uh huh. I'm gonna play my... we're gonna play a song. Real quick. We're trying to spend another fucking record like we're I'm like Dick Clark right now. We're going to spin a record. And Amy is going to tell you all about it.

03:50:32 Amy Bugbee: Oh. What are we spending? Ah, I see. Are you starting to say hey, you click the button and then when you know it's my age old belt driven turntable. Yep, keep talking Doug.

03:51:19 Shane Bugbee: Now's your time. Now's your time to start fucking slaughtering people. The Giants dying. Start talking while you're sleeping. Oh, my mic. Yeah. Turn your mic up. Shane. Doug. your mic hasn't even been up.

03:51:51 Amy Bugbee: We can repair it.

03:51:52 Shane Bugbee: Sorry. We're figuring it out. The record. Yeah, the record players broken.

03:51:57 Amy Bugbee: Give you a free copy of Might Is Right.

03:52:00 Shane Bugbee: Sorry, the mics are down. And listen, we've got plenty fucking sleep in us to make it. 20 more hours. Okay.

03:52:08 Amy Bugbee: All I need is some tape.

03:52:11 Shane Bugbee: All right. Goodbye. You fucks.

Charles Manson Interview (recordings)

03:52:16 Canned Audio: I fear a few fanatic. See the truth is honor, honor his truth without either. You're both in trouble, you know, so that they've lost that I haven't lost mine. I'm still I'm still surrendered to standing here in 1944. They said the war is over. But I don't believe it. No one told me it was over. No one that was in the truth told me it was over. all liars went down the road said it was over but no one that I knew. And you see that other people started all over. They started when they started. They tried and they tried. Everyone said they failed. You know? guy got out of prison right. He started started doing an order thing, you know, put things in order for the atmosphere, the water, trees, Wildlife, animals. And in putting this in order, he came across the people who didn't want to put an order that they wanted to separate. And that they've said online that they sold and bought two seats, treachery. And that was their business, their business was war, the business was destroying other people's lives. They lived on blood of children. So this man tried to put some order into it, he was pushed off into a world war. Because you learn if you're are a man of the mind, and you think, long enough to come to the same conclusions that the only way you can put order into the world or anything as far as that concern, you must take control of it. If you're going to fix a car, you have to have the car, fix it, you got to fix the world, you have to have control the world to fix it. You can't stop cutting the trees down in Georgia, and not stop cutting the trees down in me. You can't stop cutting the rain forest in Brazil and not stop cutting the rain forest in Oregon State. You've got to stop cutting trees down period. There's no slack. There's no in between. There's no controversy. There's no attitude, there's nothing towards it, but you must stop cutting the trees down. Oh, we're all gonna die. So survival is the center. In the vortex of laws and rules. regulations are made to serve to serve survival. So to serve survival, we must start all over, take stock on all the graveyards and look at why have we been fighting all these years? What have we been struggling for the always covered up and never let us really know what the problem is covered up with all kinds of confusion and never let the children know what's really going on. They just buy and sell their blood. And now it's come to the generation of children is like the man said, If you cut those trees, your children are not going to survive. And the man said, Well, let them worry about that. I need the money now. And that now is dead. That now doesn't mean anything that now is running in the money. The reality of that now is that we are the children. And we're the ones that have to worry about what other people have done before us. So it all falls do they say that the Holocaust was in the 40s 30s and 40s. From Germany. That's untrue. Man's War against man is not a holocaust. That's a war as Man's War against himself. Gods war against man is the Holocaust. In what's coming now is God's war against the balance, what life is and what birth is. And what man has done to that balance is coming back around and turning around in the college. You can't cut 3 billion trees every morning and expect to maintain life support systems on the Spaceship Earth. Because without those trees, we're all doing the same thing with the ocean. All the contents of the ocean is becoming so polluted, so distorted by man's dumping and puking off into the atmosphere that he's got to stop all that. So when we have 60s, the children of the 60s tried to stop the Wars of the past in the economy and start all over and and get order into function to where we can have some say so over the land, rather than let that misguided money mongers that do nothing but make money and don't care about anything else but money. Take that from charge and put life in stead is difficult because like the district attorney sold our efforts he bought so the last chance we had for survival for the earth where he's still Helter Skelter trip because he wants to control the black people. And rad is big blackhorse would call himself a mafioso, which is not a mafia. So he's a policeman. He can't be both. It can't be an underworld and overworld also, the ties fell down, as usual, pretty traditional for those people to fall down because they're always telling on each other or, or dropping the ball some way or another. We tried to go through that courtroom and get our rights. According to the Constitution, the United States of America but wasn't given out rights wasn't given a defense. When it comes time to put the defense on they just bulldoze and bullied everybody away, like they're doing right now. We're supposed to go on down here yesterday, but bully also bullied Donahue with a black woman who uses the Batman on one end, to fuck all the white girls going one way to make money. And then he uses all the black girls, on the other hand, the Protestant church, and then they wonder why the Irish and the Catholics are always fighting each other. Because we're trying to save our blood to kind of save our children. People who won't give us no slack at all, they will give us our rights. We have to have enough money to buy rights to poor people. The people without education don't have a chance because we've got all those people from the European markets that our government has sold out. They've given their companies away to Taiwan and they've gave their company away to Korea. They've gave their lumber companies to Reber, Sun and Moon they've gave their children away to Indian gurus and penitentiaries kill button everybody in the world's releasing their presence in the United States In the United States wanting to give their own children benefit in their own rights where their father spot in graveyards, filled with our fathers and our brothers

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Charles Manson Interview (recordings) cont.

04:01:06 Canned Audio: All the veterans and people that fight for us and then we'll come back again that don't appreciate it. They don't have any gratitude at all. All they do is buy and sell us on the other end. So how can Paul honest hillbilly get any any action going for the phrase chickens in his his cornfield and his horses? Because we got no voice, people got no voice, the government is supposed to be with the people. But it's not we the people that government has already been bought and sold, they've already sold. So the next move from that is if the military could wake up, then the military could grab it up and run and take over the whole world, that's the only chance we've got to survival is to pick back up the same thoughts that our fathers had, and raise it up from the grave, change the guards, changed guns, stand the man up to attention again, put them out in the field of honor. And start all over again. Forget Abraham Lincoln because Abraham Lincoln was not a good guy. jF Kennedy was not a good guy. They sold their children for votes. They gave up their morals and their ideas and their ethics for money. They put their whole country and all the value systems of the whole country and money. And the new and noticed this until I left the United States. And when I left the United States I've seen other people in the world are not as money orientated. As people in the United States, people in the United States, they start their children off and nickels and pay candies. And they start their children off with everything goes into the money. I mean, it's as if the money was the only living thing on earth. So as it comes to this thought, in the old days, like when Hitler came to this thought, he survived got stopped this money, but if I stopped the money, then I destroyed all the people. So it's like a cake that you got this turned bad you got to, you got to cut some of it off the edge. So which edge you're going to cut, you got to cut the edge. That's that's holding the deception, this hole in the line as holding the confusion, the soul in the brainwash, and any, any person with any mind at all, if you break it all down and boil it all down, what does it boil down to the people that are rolling your money, the people that are controlling your money to people that are in control your media, the people that are controlling your music, that people are in control of your books, your mind your legal perspectives, they're in control your judges, they're controlling your courts, they're controlling your lawyers, they're controlling your mind. They're charging, you rent to live in your own brain. They charge you, they charge you money, to have their babies, they give you they give you jobs and then they to make food and then they marry your daughters and then they have their babies and then divorce them and pay him for their children. And I was like you're dead. Don't think it's worth it things graveyard. The graveyard is known the thing is worth a fuck. The rest of it is a bunch of horseshit. It's just run around chasing the ball and we've done the damn field as if that had something to do with something. And you got these primates. It's you got a jungle, out there running around, you're not going to outdo them guys protect their ball and run circles runs, because they're not human. Human is an English word. It doesn't mean Savage. It means human human is an English word. Human means English man. The English man is the human man. The English man is a human man. In the English words, the man is only held the definition by the King of England, the King of England holds a definition of what man is not, not the king of Africa, the king of Africa holds the definition of what we will whatever he holds his definition for. But over here in the United States, you've got mud, pies of fucking things that have just all mixed in together and you you've jumped over on the Indians land and now you want to know what justice is going nasty Indian where his mind is. And they just keep pouring them over here from Europe on him. Now you got all the Orient coming over here. And what does that do the reservation? Where's that guy? Does he have any rights at all? Where's our rights? Where's? Where's our honor? Where's, where's our world? Down here at the bottom is still by the lights on. The radio was playing. But it's still playing. I can still hear 1944 I still hear 1940 Three, nothing. Not in my world still now, the same now that was now in the battlefields lay in the graveyard. So going in the grave and pick your now, pick your battles, build up, pick your army, pick your makeup, pick your names up. All you people that died, you got life coming on Earth. Jesus come. You don't want to let Jesus come you want to keep Jesus the devil is the devil. So don't let Jesus come to Jesus come, he's in your grave. He's all the men that ever die for you, man is all the men that ever martyred their hearts and stood up and battle went off and gave their lives for you? The same thing the Manson family did. Everybody jumped up magnetron chasis damping, everybody screaming for change, everybody begging for change all the Jane Fonda. Joan Baez and all the Beatles and all and guys were all talking about love and peace and understanding. But then when they wouldn't when it came time that someone had to do something about it. Then the children they said, do the children do it in the road. So the children jumped up and did it do Did you blame? It blame some poor hobo on a road? hobo on the railroad? Got no aspirations to do nothing, but I know, I see. I'm aware. I understand what God is. And I know he lives in man. If you don't wake up pretty soon, there's gonna be nothing left to wake up to. You and I meet each other in the field of honor. Alright, I say Hello, brother. Hello. Did you say we helped me when you say I don't feel happy? Okay. I in fact, I feel guilty. Is that right? I feel like I'm going to hell and and I need you to punish me. I said, Well, you know, I love you, but I don't want it. I want you to beat me up. And I said, Look, man, I'm not going to beat people up today. And then you say, Well, if you really love me, you'll kill me. Man, I don't want to kill you. So I'm tired of living and I can't face death and I want someone to kill me. And you love me and you're the you're the person that does what I want you to do. So what I want you to do is kill me today. And I said look when I'm not into this today. And when I'm talking to the society, society wants to die. A car drives down the street. They throw cigarette butts over in the rain forest. They burn up the damn trees just because they don't want to put cigarettes in the ashtray. They don't give a fuck. They filled a garbage out on the road. They fill their trash in the ocean. You got 10 million people shitting in the goddamn water. They don't want to get off the water. He did it tell a man you're killing. You're killing your children. And your children are trying to get out from underneath this goddamn bullshit. Now where does love become love? Is love, only love if it doesn't go in the battlefield, does not put on a uniform and take up a gun and go into war for its country is not a retired veteran that that lives around and wheels in a wheelchair in his guts or in a bag because he fought for his, for his garden, his country? I mean, where do you draw the line on what love is and what love is not? You go to the graveyard and you look at all the martyrs of the heart, and all the men that give their lives for God and country. And then you come up and say, well, where did Charlie go wrong? Did Charlie go wrong? Or was the ocean of this spiritual movement in the world to bring change into this planet? Did it start way before Charlie was born in everybody else's wrong? Could you say that Hitler was right? That when he got out of prison, he woke up that everybody was buying and selling life and there was no one there. It was just a bunch of hamburgers in the butcher shop a bunch of meat hanging up. Because the United States can't even kill their own cows. They got to import people to kill the cows. They don't have enough fucking soul to change and help their own children. They can't even forgive their own children. They'll let the fucking world bring people into prisons from India, into prisons from Cuba, from Latin America from Puerto Rico. They empty prisons from all over the world to the United States. And the United States can't even forgive their own children for doing exactly what they raised him up to do. They want to blame Manson for being the father of their children. The President of the United States is supposedly the father of others all. He's supposed to be the leader of where you can dig me for the leader of the family and then give a Nixon immunity. You know, he killed a lot more people than Charlie did. If Charlie was capable of doing something like that. wouldn't he be better in the White House the Nixon, Nixon wasn't capable of doing nothing but running faces and getting elected, like he was doing something. The office is still there, you just keep changing faces with the same old monkey. As if you didn't know we were all living in a zoo. Did you think the children don't know, they can't wake up and see that this world has got to change and there's going to be no life left. So the older people don't want to make room for their own children in their own minds. And they would rather give it to some foreign corporation, where they're selling their 10 year old pussy in Hong Kong and street corner, and then buying and selling drugs from the generals and the military in Cambodia. And they want to be the leaders of some Indian and arraign force man because they can't even hold their own mud with their own forests. It cut down all the trees in this country, this country was a rain forest. And then they want to blame somebody else for something, you know, how does that cut back to your heart? How does that make you feel? Do you have any competence in the world that you were raised in? Do you believe in the people that took you to school and taught you the things that you believe in? When you know, the truth is that they're all lying anyway. And then you'll have them goddamn Monkeys jumping up and down in the street singing that motherfucking rap shit, telling you about something that they heard they was only catching it from right on it was given it up from your children, laying down the gutters, dying, trying to hold your motherfucking ass? why some egotistical punk wants to be a rock and roll star by using your divorce port in the misery that you create with your kids. So how you going to tap that back and say that you belong to somebody? You can't belong to any one spirit and soul of the second war war is what you're rolling in. I'm already rolling back to the First World War humble over here in the Confederate graveyard. In fact, I'm deeper than the Indians. I'm in the mounds and mounds looking around at the ground scene. How can I say these bugs if I can say the birds and birds and the goddamn bushes. Baca save a few snakes and some rabbits in a county and maybe a wolf or two, maybe a bear or a deer, I could probably find someplace to live in between that. But as far as the humans are going, Danica let nobody live they will give no rights up in the courtroom and this they're scared of you unless they're afraid of you. If they're scared I mean, they see in your being in your bed and you're tough and you got done their whole life you You're just a wonderful human being. But if they're not afraid of you, you're pouring you're honest and you're truthful and you got honor. All the honorable people are in the graveyards already. They don't have to worry about nor honorable people. They're all dead. Even they trained Oliver North to get up in lad to the world in the Marines uniform. After the Marines fought our wars and died for us in all of our battles, then they get some fuckin asshole like all over North to get up and live in front of the whole fucking world. And then wear Marines uniform in the court with the land as a real marine would have knocked his brains out. Because he had no right in that uniform have to live when you lie. In the uniform. I don't give a fuck what uniform it is. If you lie on that uniform, you're gonna lose your uniform sooner or later. That's probably what they're doing over in Grenada and all them Island countries have probably given up the chain of command to Africa. And then then you can have Winnie Mandela over here, telling you how the moon is going to shine with Jesse Jackson. When he tells you in church that he's lying and taking the double Dean and about some white hole on a goddamn street corner with some black Muslim wear white hat talking about he somebody's daddy. He's the original man, circumvent biology and chemistry from Norway and find out why the doctors over there helping those people. When you can't even help its own, about the goddamn penitent. The top in the world is all the water on the planet. We didn't have no water and this was still waiting for the river. And that was when he woke up when they put that first by the river. When he put the first feather River Project and in all that water out of the desert, they start destroying the state of California. Farming was destroying the state of California. they'd taken all the water off the lake. You take all the water off the land you take it to superstation, going up in the sky is no different birds, all birds and bugs. If you take all the water holes and put them in a pipe when a house the water. You got a pipe worn down to the dumping off into the ocean and all the water's being used up. We've got no nature Got no land you got no, no, no, God's not there anymore. It's just there's no soul. So when he's seen in his fountain turned off, he had a big fountain that was found in the world when he's found turned off. That beautiful man put himself in a house with a whole bunch of other people, made his protest up on the wheel, and blew everybody out. He sacrificed himself for that water for those trees and wildlife. And he left the message behind that the only way the world was going to survive is we've got to get to the water you got to fix the water man was screaming with our fucking lives, man, you got to fix the water. It's not a question. What do you want to fix the water? You've got to fix the water? The waters or spirit the waters or mother? If we don't have life in the water? What the hell are we going to do with money? What are we going to buy himself? We got no water to drink, that nobody gives a fuck about the water. They would rather worry about the money. If we give up, we give up our money and yeah, a whole bunch of is gonna starve to death. You're gonna die anyway, there's billions of people going to die. Now it's already in. It's already in a movement. It's a holocaust. In rather than tell the people that a holocaust is coming, that bunch of liars who tell them that the Holocaust happened in 1944. That's bullshit. War is not a holocaust. God's war against man is a holocaust not Man's War against me. Dave so the reality of the Holocaust man is not in the movies. The reality of the Holocaust is all in Dead Sea in the ocean. It's when you go and you've seen weather weather weather. Forests used to be there's a shopping mall, where the lake used to be there's a goddamn fucking driving where the where the freeway is there used to be Crikey and a river. And we're prisons are used to be lakes. So all the prisons are in the lake beds where they used to be. It took nature 50,000 years to put the beginning of the lake here. It took man and a bulldozer five years to tear it up. So we're tearing apart a man with tear anabolic precipitation we're eating up all the goddamn fucking resources to was going to be no energy. no energy left, no resources left. Nobody left. So 1000 people in this ship, and ain't gonna be that many people survive it Anyway, today. So how many people do you want to live in the world that you live in? You don't have to let all the people live in the world you live in. If you get up and you do a good job is to get up on stage and I do a good job and they all may be jealous. They want to get up on the stage and push me off. They were fighting me. they'd want to bite me pull on me and grab me they would have told me to pieces and tear me to pieces man because they want to be me so bad. They don't want to let me be myself. I had to run and hide and the death wasn't the Manson turn. Is that you guys to see. Here's the perception. You think the Grateful Dead was the hippies, the Grateful Dead when hippies all the people that got busted in the 40s. With the hippies, the pupils were hippies. All the guys that used to smoke grass in the 40s and 50s all went to prison suffered. In the in the upper middle class people come out and found that what they were doing was cool. So they started doing what was cool and started using our language and rap and rap and topping our talk and walking our walk and growing our hair growing our beards, and then come back from the beatnik land like they were hippies like they had come up on something new. Then they sacrificed all the beatniks that created the hippies. Then they sacrificed all the hippies and that come up the hippies and every time it gets right up to where the Jews both sacrifice himself for what he's preaching, and the people that are in the peace movement are supposed to make moves so they can have these they all turn back to war and get uniforms and get crew cuts and go to wall street and say well we didn't grow up now we're not hippies No, we're, we're, we're we're did these slippies or when they call them hippies were hippies. Now the hippies were hippies that didn't want to stay with what they were saying. They were saying they wanted to change and they wanted to stop the war and all the Joan Baez and all the motherfucking petty hearses and all in fucking half so bitches then in movies like The Jane Fonda and all in fucking dizzy aspect and witches. They were to change the world when the children that were living up underneath that dogma turned to change the world and they fucked up so well it was all challenged Paul Charlie did that. Charlie got all those children in trouble he brainwashed all the children to do that. But But Joan Baez in all in Nancy's not doing all the math, which is these boots are made for walking all over us. So then they come back with all that motherfucking horseshit and say that I was the brainwashed capital of the world when they were doing that long before I came on set. I had been in Mexico City man, I have been living down in Mexico City and when I got busted, I hadn't even been on the streets of the United States of America for over 10 years. You know, well when almost 10 years for 10 years since about seven years, so when I came back to sit, I introduced everybody to acid. I didn't even know what the fuck acid was until I until 6768, some kid on the street corner gave me a dab acid. And I didn't know what the fuck that shit was. I'm not that generation is 60 generation generations, the 40s they're trying to make me into a generation of the 60s. I appreciate those kids, man. I thought they did, right. I thought they did good. I really did. They sacrificed themselves and gave themselves to stop a war that they didn't want to be responsible for. You know, they did what they felt they had to do. And I didn't say they was wrong. You know, I didn't I you know, I didn't judge him. I just walked along with him. I was their friend. And I was their brother. And I'm still their friend and their brother. And everybody wants to blame me because they don't have enough brains to take responsibility for the things that don't all know. In all the cowards of fakes and bullies, they keep covering me up more. Let me let me present what I know about the situation. Like this bully OC. was supposed to do an interview with Donahue, right? So this gets this black woman who calls this black woman says yeah, he wants to do the interview with me. Then he gets everybody interested in both of us doing the interview, then he pulls back says No, he doesn't want to do the interview. He won't face me, he runs, he runs any highs, he got this constant, squirt me down with hoses and hide me and try to get me pushed over the tear. Well see, here's the thing, man like this, this constant thought in prison that you guys don't understand their levels of awareness. And all the masses of the world like the llama and Boogie bumps and all And guys, they say there's only seven levels. But there's eight levels of awareness. And the eighth level is that you don't tell you can't tell what the eighth level is because there's only one on it. They have a section eight in the in the army discharged. That's called crazy. That's the center of the vortex of all the intelligence of the military. And that's the majesty of the key. When you resurrect majesty, and you get majesty rolling in a bunch of program brains, all those program brains start going crazy. They start freaking out. They freak out and go crazy. They go insane than I was they go so insane that you can't really maintain any sanity around it because there's no pattern at all, they lose the patterns in their mind. And they all go they all go apeshit it just can't deal with. So it's the same thing when you when you come into a soulful movement. That's right. In the soul. There's not there's not all this goody two shoe up and down for a piece of you did you talk with God and you're singing with God and you're playing music to God and for God, that God opens up a hole. And that hole is not the womb, the womb covers the hole that the hole is, it's a bigger hole of woman, it's a hole in the universe, a hole in the hole. And then all the kids go back to baby Won't you lay my fire and all those programs that are set in those heads all start going crazy. everybody's mind is no one ever heard anything else. But they're all walking down a yellow hallway. And all of a sudden, they turn a door and the door opens up and they got a totally green and red hallway interface. When you go into the red and green hallway, you say, Wow, man, and your head starts going through and then all of a sudden, man, you're thrown in a totally red world as well. And then, after you go to all these different levels, and you come out and you see God in you, and God is all around you, and God is everything, and you are everything and everything's a part of you. And then you say this, and you know this and you feel this and you have this in your soul in yourself, you dig out everybody and everybody gets to run it and they get to hate you and they think you're bad and they want to kill you. Because they build they kill you the name that now have to think about anymore because they don't want to face this level of reality. They don't want to see that everything that they know is crumbling before them and they have no thoughts in their minds in their minds wasn't really their minds anyway. It was just reflecting to somebody else's mind. It was a reflection of somebody else's mind if you went in behind a mirror somewhere. There was going to be no life left in that perspective because it was all going just totally fucking insane. And the only thing was holding it up with some oriental motherfucker in Hong Kong was owned at the gold market who's over there selling and buying something in Las Vegas for a pot of glue on the back with a tie Cats and birds, so it gets so fucking loose. And so goose mother's is killed her friend's NEW TONGUE, babies in the gutter. And then some fucking dog kill the goose and someone says let's be determined potato chips take nowhere Jesus goes around where it's just on conception of any human pattern behavior. Years ago in prison man prison was only to give a man chance to start all over, it was Christian justice, to give a man a chance to be reborn. And the Salvation Army and all good. People would always give us Christmas packages and, and give us a chance to get back and give us a chance to help come back to society and do right. But they've not say right, they only will come and do then we'll even help nobody, they just lock everybody up and wait for the commodity and burn them up again. And they're creating this fire that's going all over the world that burned themselves up because they won't do what Jesus told him to do. several, several several you know, if you want to survive, just get in line if you don't want to survive and you got anarchie rolling what you want to roll with, do you want to roll with total destruction or you want to get some Oregon in. So we're Nia don't really matter cuz I got my own little place. beyond those things as you guys are doing, you know, I can play on any level that you do. In level you do and I got to dance in a game for it. You know, because I've been through all that insanity, if you want to give me my rights, and you get your authority back in your judge, if you don't want to give me my rights, then they ain't gonna be no rights. And if you don't want any rights, that's okay to because I never had any rights anyway. I was just walking with what you say, you know, like I didn't need what you said I was at what I said, and I never really told anybody what that was. I was kept that to myself. Because I'm a hillbilly, I live up in the mountains, I make moonshine I got a long, long ways, and I've gotten the holler, and let the woman go to church gives us something to do you know, but I know who God is. And I know who Jesus is. And I know who the devil is. And I don't really need anything on the planet. Because the mount holes alive. But when the mountains have died, then I got to come down from the mountains and I got to go into the plan land and I got to put the balance in the plan land to keep the motherfucking land and taken down the goddamn trees where there's nothing left. So that's why I've been for the last 40 years where my uncle sent me. Mark, Jeff told me don't go into schools boy, keep going. He said, the mountains here, Dan, you got to go down and get it. Just one little period. Just one little word. Get on about it too much choice. So it's the same thing I say to you, you know, you got to stand it up to write with getting lighter, you ain't got nothing. You say where you want to wait to the gift to you. And it's already got to me and I've already passed it on to you, you know, where were you and me is just two words that somebody else is playing because I'm already in the zoo. Looking at you, you know? So if you don't want to come back to that and the guy said, I'm looking at trying to talk like them guys and you say well on them guys been talking like challenges you've been holding Charlie upside down life with a catchable kiss can come back to what I have said and it's been adapted and breakthrough New York said that they were doing that too. Because that was insanity for somebody else didn't understand me. And there was no you female goat level that I exist on, you know, that's in the one of my horse. And I got 8083 horses right now. So I get a three heads in that one thought and about 6000 Watson's behind my news. That's why I put that thing on my forehead so you could all see it. Look at it real good. I got 6000 who wouldn't surrender their words? Who wouldn't surrender their honor? Who wouldn't surrender their nobility. I'm not surrendered myself. Our Father who are having a must surrender my father. I'm not giving up my dad. My dad, whiskey place back. does what he wants to do. Surrender that. They say well, you are your dad. My dad never died, man. No such thing as death. Stupid play for women. Then don't ever die and never did. It doesn't mean you imagination and then your mama tells you that's your memory. And you said well, I thought I thought I was saying he would know that. No, you couldn't have been aware I couldn't, because I see you could go you to tell me where I could. I couldn't. I remember I was standing there and I got shot and I fell down, I was bleeding. I split off into nothing, man. And then I remember wanting to do a field and I came back up and I could see all these people shooting each other. And I walked over to them and they said, Well, what are you doing here, I said, we've gone over to get some chicken over there on Sunset Boulevard. Maybe I can get back down to where I was before, before I was interrupted. Because all the people in eruptive me are really in trouble with Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit, that is a reality, you know, they call him the devil, but he's, he's the Holy Spirit. The guy's gonna name this. This, this recording company. Devil, the white devil. Well, I always thought that that was ever axis. I wrote half a letter right before he died. And he never asked me the matter. But he sent me a word. And the word he sent me. He gave me a name. He said I was Abarak. He sent me that. He said, That's who I was. He gave me that name. And when he he left over my conversion that when the universe was changing there, he he left, right there. And like when he left there, the radio was still plugged in, because I can still hear the radio. And I had that radio. I carried it down on death row. And then I had I loaned it to a kid. And he lost it, so I had to get it back. So I went through a lot of changes to get it back. So in fact, I just gave a guy $10 to fix speaker for me. Now, that's been all thought in China, in the Orient had been up on that for a long time. You build answers heavyweight champion in brushy Mountain. Nine years he ruled the roughest penitentiary and one of the roughest prisons in the United States. brushy Mountain Tennessee Heavyweight Champion bill Vance. That wasn't his real name. No. I don't think no one knows he knew his real name. He had about 25 every time I met somebody but that's the way we do it. Charlie dear, Mr. Dear like to tractor and then I was Bill Thomas Luthor Matic. William Sargent Bartlett Riff Raff racket riff was my favorite Royal Air Force to my rainbow goes all the way back to World War One. Don't sign under the apple tree. Kate Smith New Orleans. In prison, all the convicts tell these people what they want to hear. Because if you see what something they don't want to hear them lock you up and hold and accuse you of scaring these. So all these fucking guys, all these people that work in the administration in the law procedure, they don't have any fucking idea what's really going on? Because you can't tell them what's going on because their minds can't even deal with what's going on. So you have to Mr. Joe, how you doing? Today? How to get through that. Why aren't you wonderful? You're just such a beautiful guy. You think I'm not as against Oh, wait. You can't tell them that they're out there in the bushes to just take it off and do what the fuck ever they want to do when no one's looking. You can't tell them that their turn out books and matches and people are getting out and just setting this motherfucker on fire because they won't get right in the basement. So you see, the world is coming to the end and you want to make a holocaust back to 1941 that's not a holocaust. That was Man's War against me. That's not God's war against man. That is an everything. We need to fix the water. We need to help the damn trees, we need to stop the fucking pollution, we need to stop them damn automobiles and do a lot more walking, get back the bicycles, putting us in paper, wiping your ass with the trees, wasting all the fucking paper, take the best of technology and use that technology to help the nature and help life get back to itself. Rather than trying to put a man on the moon that's trying to put a man down on earth to get someone back to the planet. Back to the stage code. Noah's like we can go backwards in time and run like crazy with like our heads are on fire. Did you notice my head was on fire, and I got burned. I got burned up for telling a guy the truth. You didn't like it? You don't want to hear that. While trying to get an inside track on some authority See, but they don't seem to be the authority in the police. I think it's all when the black Muslims found out there was nobody there. They started calling them pigs because they couldn't find no people. So all the people had retired, see everybody retired. And then everybody retired and everybody retired again and everybody retired again. And you can't seem to find anyone that can make a decision without somebody worried about what someone else is thinking or someone else saying somebody else's retired. And then when Rodney King jumps up and Sue's gates and gates jumps over and says, Well, at least we got Manson locked up, he finds reassurance and me being destroyed every day. And he finds reassurance and cutting my fucking nuts off every day. Like that's going to help him you know, cutting his own fucking stupid fucking. So I don't know what to say about it. Do you know but just keep on with, with what I know. And the people that I know. And that are the ones that are with me and helping you know, anything. Anyone does news against the law. They gave? They want to write me up and put me in the hole. And you guys what is he done? He hasn't done? Well, it must be something wrong here. We just don't know what it is. Well, he can't do that. Oh, Jay does it. Everybody else gets to do it. Why can't he do it? Well, he can't do it because they don't know why. I can't do it because no one wants to that knee live. Because they're all suicidal. They want someone to send him to heaven. They want to go to heaven with a dead God. You know, I filed an appeal for trial, I still didn't get to put on my rights. I didn't even get to put on a defense guy. And I just filed a habeas corpus to put on her defense and they denied that they did anything they want and there was a DA like then be talking a lot of shit. I said why are you prejudice the people that he said, Well, we got to do it. To write a book to write a book as well that goes in the courtroom and as part of the public record we can use it to write a book. All lawyers are doing it writing books, every lawyer their road book witness to evil five is massive, Helter Skelter, everybody there where they wrote the family. All the other books that they wrote garbage people all in lawyers wrote books in the Korean lawyer was flying to Japan and some new transcripts, Japanese movie companies, and they were making them Samurai movies, the bamboo Samurai movies, and there was they opened up the whole house of Samurai over there with that, that's when they come over to interview me In fact, well I don't have I don't I don't have the education to do that. I need help. And I can't get the right help because when I tried to do it that it was run off and wrote his own book. He said it was math and in his own words, it wasn't my words it was his words. And I've known him for 1718 years and then he got a little bit from other friends of mine and he just put it together the rest of it for himself and made it up and I got other things to do you see I don't have access to this phone like I should and there was only got access to this phone just a little bit. And then when I do get on and I got some monkey hidden motherfucker cut me off all the time. And then they got all kinds of little, little drag ups rules and regulations that don't amount to anything that somebody made just so they could feel like they were important about something they really have no, no no reason for him. It's just the amaze of of things that people have done and made and built and then they retired and then they make a whole bunch more and then they retire and then they create a whole bunch more Madison in a retire. So pretty soon everybody that's down this got all this fucking thing locked down, have already retired. They've already gone and we're sitting here In the shadows of people that are already dead you know that's why some prison gangs that are getting outside and running and sit outside call themselves Crips. Crips are really all over everywhere man because the people are waking up to the graves they're waking up that the people that are alive or not really alive. They're the dead was the people that made up this goddamn game are already the people that are living in a game that is made up there on the program to their programs in school and their mothers fear their programs who bullshit they're not even here. They're only they're only a program pattern in their brain like a like a robot. Like they're Robocop like they got all these robot cops just run around, play act in the games that other people retired with. You know, it's gone. It doesn't exist. It was penitentiary that they don't even know what the hell they got a petition for why penitentiary? For they think of petitions that lock people up and then they say no petitions to punish someone and then they're not sure. And then they use this putting their attitudes and they'll put on suits and get in circles and put on faces and lie to each other. They're not telling the truth isn't there just bullshitting himself to give you a pro one day and take it back the next. You know, in other words in the cheese rules in the cheese rules to change the rules, but now they want to come back take with rules that we fought to change. And then we fight for a group of people to help bring cheese and off the oppressor. Get him off the war we can get out of the oppression and then these other motherfuckers that we're fighting for the oppression join the oppressors. And then they come back doing the same goddamn thing only worse. It's just a circle suck of bullshit, you know, and it's all doom to Stratton because no one given chance. I got a thing down south I've been working on that might come true a couple of greens. And couple of days, it was hard to make a reality. You know, everybody's stuck in new realities that are already made, and locked in the movies that have already perpetrated those realities. It's like when I got out, I went to Universal Studios. And this Hebrew producer told me he wanted me to help him write the music for a movie about the second coming to Christ. He told me that he wanted me to play music with a guy from South Africa, and another guy from Africa. And that's why my uncle would shoot me for doing that. I said, No, no, no, I don't play music like that, you know? So then he blackballed me from the music system, and then burn all our music up because I wouldn't go along with his trips. So what he was doing is he was using the black people on one side of town to play his music and make money and then he had a Hebrew woman with kids on the other side of town he was given money to and that was an asset Oh, he's got a little double thing going here. You know, you want to call people racist if they don't use people as I don't use black people as a because they use people that I'm used by people. So I don't want to be used by anyone. So therefore, I'm not going to use anymore. So we had big thing there, you know, I was going to shoot him But then I thought, well, if I shoot him, I go back to the penitentiary and I don't want to shoot him, you know? Because I don't want to go back to jail. So what is changes in the last the music there? And then the Beach Boys gave it back to me to music is mine, all the way back to divorce court in 1953 54. But people keep stealing because I don't have any backup. I don't have a brotherhood. That I'm supposed to have that waste goes because they use the money for private like this. I was supposed to do an interview with iron. I haven't came back to the interview with Donahue. I was supposed to do an interview with Donahue, this employee LLC the Italian cause a black woman that works with Donohue and tells her that him and I are going to do this interview today. Then he tells her that he doesn't think the interview would be a good idea. And he doesn't want to do the interview so they cut the interview back it's a nested away from die who by using the black woman has now that they've used the black man to play Man for All the women and then all the women found out that they were not the man that they were just shadows of the man and they were shadows of the reality created by the man. Now they're coming back that this is the woman for the man and no one will do anything but do right. Unless you've got someone out there that makes them do it when you got someone after that may Do right, then have to pay what they owe you. And when they pay what they owe you, you own the union's already, the Brotherhood and all the unions belong to. Well, James Mason dropped the ball. He dropped the ball. Boyd dropped the ball. Boy, Dave, his whole generation of people up. So he could be a rock and roll. He had the whole thing, man if he wanted to move it, but he didn't. He talked to me more like a black pimp. I think somebody scared him. I think some negros scared him or something. He sounded like he was afraid of negros. All those kids that did all those things they did. In the 60s, I never directed traffic. But I did influence a lot of people in a lot of ways, you know, and I don't think they were bad ways. I think they were perfect. I think things are the way they are, because that's the way they're supposed to be. It's a one that way, then there will be different. We just got to keep working for the change of that order to realize that God comes to us as well as we are, that in our own understanding as much as we can understand it, does that communicate to you? You know, it's like you are whatever you want, you've got no God. And, you know, I mean, you're beating yourself out of something, you know, I mean, even if you make it a rubber band, you know, it's still you know, it's just word anyway. You know, so you say, all right, God, Son, God of moon the.of rain dot ignore God's got, the better it is, you know, it's like, you take everything for God and say, God is everything, everything is God. And that's me, because I'm perceiving that I'm conceiving that and I'm believing in that. If I believe in that it's in me that I believe so it has to be inside of me. So I have to look at me first get me straightened around, and the guy says, well, then you're oppressed. Because you're against us. I'm not against anyone. For me. If I can get me straightened around, I get me in order, then I'll deal with you. But until I can get me in perspective, today, how can I deal with anyone else? Because this My world is my world. And I've worked to straighten it out. And I've straightened it out in my world, in my mind, around the world three times. I got all my children. Back on the road, I got all my stuff, straightened around as much as possible. And I'm still working on one world I'm still working on one world government, I'm still working on one world economy. I'm still working on one world army, I'm still working on a one world everything one world computer could on and computers together and come up with the calculations of all the atmospheric problems, we have ozone bowl bones and all that and put it up on that damn computer and then ask for the ask for the readout. And you find out I'm right, and you find out we got to we got to eliminate a whole lot of numbers on a lot of different levels. You know, we got to scratch out some old programs and put in some, some balances for those programs. Because our minds are capable of thinking in forever. Just like a computer thinks in forever right? And you can't live in line one of them you lose a program right? Well, then I'm a computer. Then I'm your computer. Your computer your computer with me. And we both think and forever. Because I think in forever I'm standing here in eternity right now. And then when I start talking this shit in the 60s, everybody saw this crazy old fucking hillbilly myth. You can think in eternity that's why I mean, I can't I've been doing it all my life. And then the Hindu comes to tell me why you must clear your mind and, and not have any thought at all, then you'd be next to God. I said, Well, I must be next to God because they want from the call that stupid. You know, I mean, I've been stupid all my life, man. I don't think I want to think anything. I start thinking something I have to go to school, you know, put it in pattern, I got a pattern in my mind. Pattern without pattern. You know, I'm beyond the pattern, you know. So the computer still goes beyond the pattern, I can take a couple more steps up. I can take that computer move further out, compute all that data in the atmosphere and how many square inches of atmosphere and how many, how much pollution we're putting into that atmosphere, and how much we need so many trees to keep combating that pollution and rejuvenating that life support system. Here's my thoughts. I want to take a nuclear submarine and turn it inside. You put all the computer on the life support system. You got to have air and water, turn, you turn the computer inside out and make the world the submarine and then work for your life support systems. But life support systems on the computer has been the primary function. If you don't have a life support system, you're that's it. It's over to brother who has to run the military, the Brotherhood of the martial arts on the conflict on on the ground floor. And the Brotherhood who has the the gun. In other words, without the Brotherhood, you don't have no army, you don't have no government. You don't have no church, you don't have nothing. Because you have to have to to have one. If you don't have to, you don't have one. It takes a line. You have to draw lines used to be in prison, it was called a mainline. And the captain was on one of the lines. And he does not lie, because he realizes that if he lies, he dies. He loses everything. If he lies. He must keep the rule. And he must keep his word. This is the thing they've lost. They lost that with James Mason comes down to the last man in line with the gun. And then they put the swastika right on underneath the gun. And that's supposed to be represented to the Brotherhood. All right. That's the Brotherhood of the gun. You got one down on the ground, and you got one covered with the gun. Then we'll we lost ours is like the guy with the gun. said here he passed the knife down. We can't deal with these students. Here. You go deal with those do you say okay, so he picked up the knife and he went, he dealt with the dues, he dealt with everything that needs to be dealt with. Then he pads in the guy so I pass me the knife back. So he passed the knife back. And when he passed the knife back, he gave it to the other side, it went over to the other side and gave it to them and put them back on himself thinking that was really cool. And he lost his brotherhood. That's reason that thing that off the bottom of that he lost a swastika and he lost his brother from mine. Because he thought it was a big joke, stab somebody in the back that just took a life for him. If somebody is given their life for you, they're going into the battlefield for you. You can't wear well less than when they come back. If a man's over Vietnam, and he's over there in the mud, and he's fighting and dying for you, and then you come over and you spit in his face. What kind of fucking country could that be? You know, so it's the same thing all the way down the line, all the way down the line. People think it's slick to get over on somebody else because they're in a down position. And they find their strength by by sacrificing their own lambs. But they're not sacrificing the lambs of their enemies. They're always sacrificing their own children. They're sacrificing their children for somebody else's children. My grandfather told me this, he didn't tell me exactly. But he told my grandmother and I know she never lied to me. He called My grandmother that he was standing on. In World War One, he was standing on a dead body. And he he seen a Bible in this guy's pocket. And he reached down and he got the Bible out of this guy's pocket. And he opened up the Bible and there was the man's picture with his wife and his two, three children today. And he had a chain with a cross on it. And he looked at the Bible and looked at the man's children. They looked at the cross, and he looked down to see himself. He said, Wow, man, what am I doing fighting my brother? I'm over here fighting my brother and I don't even know why I'm fighting this guy. Why have we been fighting each other? Why are we divided? Why is our house all split up a little pieces? Why are we divided within ourselves? We worship the same God. We have the same books, the same words, different translations, but the same principles. We live by the same codes of honor. Why in hell are we fighting each other? Why did my grandfather kill himself? He comes back and tells my grandmother you know, I was fighting my brothers and I don't even know why. And they didn't know why. In women tell you why do they're slick. They put you against yourself. And then they kick back in their childhood Chapman, they're they're right on you, though, right on you too. There's nothing left of you and sell your blood all the way. they'll sell war. From one door. They'll buy and sell guns out of one door and the next door they'll sell Love and Peace and agree with everyone is swear to god that everything is just perfect for $1 bill, they'll go right back into the money and the money is not their money. Now that they've got their own country, before, they didn't have their own country, they didn't have their own money. The only way they can live is in somebody else's economy. They had to scrimp and nickels, scrub for dimes, new day, save every little thing they could get, save every little rag today. They were oppressed, be fucked over misused. And then when they get an opposition, they do the same thing down on other people that have been done to them. It's like a circle of oppression. People become oppressed going one way. And then when they come back, they get oppressed going back the other way. We oppress all these people and make them do all of our bad things. And then they grow up, and they get stronger and it makes them stronger, and then they come back on top of us and push us down and make us do all those things. And then we get stronger and then we come back around and it's every race and every people have had their turn. Everyone has been the bad guy. Everybody has been the good guy. Everybody's had to turn around and fucking maypole now it's time to put one word together it's time to put one government together one economy together and put it in order because if we don't there's going to be no atmosphere left there's going to be no trees left there's going to be no wildlife left. We're not going to have anything because the money is tearing up everything. The fish out the ocean towards is gonna be a cesspool. There's gonna be nothing left in the ocean, but a bunch of goddamn fucking pollution of junk that we're dumping tons and tons of garbage. See is the thing you don't realize. You're not old enough to realize how many people that 900 million people it's just 200 million people. 300 million people. If you fill up a ballpark, you see 50,000 people. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of turds. That's a lot of pistons shipped to go over in the water. Just 50,000 people fill it up three times a day. That's 200,000 people 50,000 people now fill them up every day for seven days a day. That's 650,000 people and in presume man, it would take you six lifetimes to see all in people. I mean, can you visualize me people? Or are you thinking on the level of the people you've seen so far? Oh, do you give a fuck? What are you gonna do at all and people keep lying to him tell them they got a constitution when they don't keep telling you everything's gonna be alright just keep cutting the trees down and keep doing the same old shit to do it. Just so you can survive another day. Are you going to tell Are you going to tell the truth man y'all budget doomed assholes. All you motherfuckers are killing yourself. You're killing everything. You're doing overindulgent resources you're taking you're dumping all that shit in the water. That pollution in the water soap in the water. slop in the water bleach in the water all that shit you putting in the water man got to come back to you and your drink. That's big dog got better water so you get them out of the water how you get them out of the quick person and water could sitting and puking And no wonder button and junk in there. Kotex isn't a fucking throw wax and it preaches and goddamn flies sprays and all that shit going down and toxic that was one big fuckin toxic dump. Now you try to face it and do some stuff and then they call you a criminal like you have no network Do you have any people have been sacrificing this very same thought? How many people have jumped on the freeway and tried to stop all the automobiles and wounded eight or 1012 maybe 15 people killed maybe six or seven people went to court and got designated nuts in winter nut water hung themselves and died trying to stop the damn fucking machine and it's just you know, and everybody covers it up lies about it and goes on about it and don't want to look at it you know, and it looks as if it exists you know that everything's gonna be all right. I don't know. I just reflect like the mirror You know? And like if it all just goes down the shitter it really doesn't affect me because I live like a bug anyway you know, I live around the road I live on the campfire you know I'm a hobo. By all means. I'm really a hobos fullest extent because I live in a sleeping bag and don't even need that. I'm pretty free. But I do love the earth. And I wish there was some way that I could have some influence on how to straighten them out.

Hour 6

Charles Manson Interview (recordings) end

05:01:04 Jail. Have a wonderful stay. Jail was passed on to me. Man with his back to the wall. Now the flip guys who think they're wise, you can take you Avert your downfall. On the wire they can last even big and I've traveled this world around to the east and west and I'm their best when it comes to covering the ground of Hamlet pick this deal Steve on the Dr. g. Done heavy on a New Orleans levee and sailed on the waiter to see juggled a tray in a new cafe and a half built in the hotel and shot and carried a pack along the b&o track. Red bomb free from a lot of land myself and suffer like hell and the one shot of dope, begging despair to be sent to the chair of bumped off at the end of the road. My life I've ranted and raved for the things that I prayed to my raw ragged nerves and prayed without hope the goddess of dope who's ever been all my life I roam without printer holding up and down the soul center trail. Now themed All I had was dreams days that was been out of jail. So he did this to the one in Australia. You can see how I was in it for me getting the hit. Given this trip was a balmy summer evening and a goodly crowd there. Which will night do Joe's bar room on corner by the square. As songs and witty stories came floating through the door of Vang Yvonne crept slowly and he posts from the floor. Where do you come from? Someone said the wind is blown in. What do you want? Another cried some whiskey, rum or gin? Yeah, Toby. Makes equal to the work. I'm touching with our fork. He's filthy as this bandage the poor wrench took was still good grace. In fact, he smiled as though he thought he's drunk. proper place cowboys. That's why I want drink. I'm out of funds you know. When I had caste treat the game. My hand was never slow. You land still you thought this pocket never held as soon I was was fixed as well. My boys is any one of you. Thanks. That brings me nicely. God bless you one and all. And the next time I pass is good saloon. I'll make another call. Give you a song. No, I can't do that. My singing days of pads. Voices gone. My throats worn out. My lungs are going fast. Say but if you give me another whiskey, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll tell you a funny story. And back. Promise to that I was ever a decent man. Some of you would think but say my good friend. Could I just get one more drink? Come on, man. filler up. Put some life into my brain says new drinks to a bum like me. I'm miserably tame. Five Fingers of good whiskey that lingers. Yeah, good whiskey. Yeah, I like that too. And my landlord, my best regards to you. You've all treated me kindly. And I want to tell you how I come to be the dirty sock. You see before you now. As I told you once I was the man with muscle frame and health. And but for a blunder, I would have made considerable wealth. I made a picture perhaps you've seen it was called chase fame. That it brought me 15 $100 and added to my name. And then I met the woman becomes the funny part with that. petrify your brain and into your heart. Did you ever see a woman for whom your soul You give for my Venus to beautiful to live with eyes would beat the kooten on the wealth and just not him? So to see for never on this whole world have something. I was working on a portrait one afternoon in May of a very boy, friend of mine. He lived across the way. Madeline admired him and Much to my surprise, it's lovely to have Jerry back. But with his eyes because it didn't take long to know them. Pretty soon that flown and Jerry had left and took my dial in. How's that alone? That's why I took the drink. I never saw you smile. I thought you'd be amused and laughing all the while What's the matter my friend there's at a teardrop in your lab like me just babes and women cry. I'll tell you what I'll do. If you give me the chalk, there was what you mark your baseball score. I'll show you a picture right here upon the flow. Another drape with chalk in hand, the bagger bond begin to sketch a vase that well made by the soul of any man and then as he plays another law upon the shapely here with the fearful streak he leads a cost of picture death Hey, Bush, oh is a dog live. My send me a picture today of a dog laying in bed. They looked like a dog. And now we're just thinking that's been so long ago. He probably did. But now he was only about I guess about a year and a half old going on. He had a four year old Can I tell you a story about a dog? The guy used to live in the ranch was always drinking beer. Right in a pickup truck. Right. And he lived on a trailer on the ranch. His name was Bob and he was a farmer I kind of do man he was a drunk and have asked mechanic and and a little bit enough, you know and he ran around in his truck is talking about making money. That's all to get fucked by. And he told me for God's sakes, man, whatever you do, don't take that goddamn cane off that dough. And what's that dog lid and pee on itself? You know it was so pitiful you know he lay there and he just cower. Just coward no in pistol himself and just while we're in it, you know? Look at your shoes and make his paws go up and down. And after getting blown the other guy was unbothered, you know. to one day the other dude was gone. And I thought I'd let the dog go for a walk and keep the man but we got 35 dogs at that ranch and every one of them is like wow though they don't have name they got names but they don't have they never had a bath. And if they don't get ravaged, the only thing they're going to get is some old dried up puppy Chow you know that Purina ship with a 50 pound bags. You know in other words, I got all the dogs on the end of the city. They're eating at the ranch. And I'm letting them be right. So I left this motherfucking dog up and there was a goat way down at the end of the motherfucking thing. That dog grabbed the first dog and just chewed him up threw him up against the wall. Reach for a second when he was done he did. He tore up to three chickens going across the thing his hairs stuck straight up on his back and he was off he did want to say what man he was this motherfucker was struggling Jagga he jumped up man and he was his teeth was about three feet from that fucking goat man when I finally got over there and got on and I put put a knife above your neck and told a nagging motherfucker You see what I'm saying? So I had to get that night back home to lock him up didn't know what to do as much as I do anything other than what he told me and then he said I'm wrong and I tried to make it up and he said no. And I said what's wrong with us I have to be me at some gateway backward figure. And in fact our mother found him and not demand demand driven that village back with that other guy that tells them a bit they will do their business with me then they will deal with the heat so in doing the business with me I am a field to pitch pitch on the law from 13 random materials down every month like right there dad came back on the slide again somebody else I'm going to be somebody free one of these days and I want you all to know this if anybody was wizard enough to wizard wizard he would be wizard he was was wizard dumb wasn't wizard wizard instead of yellow brick road is still mine My hobnob with white please wake up ship late and Shakespeare's whatever was just crypto down doesn't need any new space dreams dream. Ah. This wizard's lesson was brought to you by Insain cooperated unassociated situations.

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05:29:06 Okay, we're back. Well, I'm back. My other two comrades are sleeping. My wife is a pussy. But by birth. My buddy Doug. The artist behind the illustrations in the new edition of Might is Right is grown into a pussy. I mean, the guys from Detroit, and he still has to go to sleep like this. Next I'm going to play some Charles Manson tunes. And we'll go from there. Let's see how this works. Enjoy

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05:53:16 Shane Bugbee: You like that? You like a bottle up your ass? How about I light your left arm on fire? You fucking whore. Lucky you have evilnow.com tattooed on your ass, you cunt. See like it when I pull you're hair. Like getting fucked over the radio? You gonna answer me I'm gonna bash your head in. Oh shit, I think we're on the radio.

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06:02:56 Shane Bugbee: Evilnow.com if we're doing something you like we've failed. Evilnow.com. We live to be hated. Evilnow.com your home for hate. Evilnow.com your home for Satan. Evilnow.com, we love to hate you.

06:03:36 Hey, now we're back. While I'm back again. My two friends are copping out. They needed a nap. And I could tell you, I won't let you down. I'm not going to nap. Gonna be 24 hours talking into this fucking mic. Well, not all 24 hours. Sometimes I get a break when I play some music. Play some Charles Manson songs. I can tell you coming up we have some interesting guests this morning. We have Hart Fisher from Boneyard press calling in. Jeff Gaither Gaithergraphics.com old school artist, horror artist Clive Barker's supposed to be calling in some time this morning. Boy so much Usurper the black metal band have been at lunchtime. Vincent from Acheron calling. We have George Eric Hawthorne calling in later tonight. He's George Burdi now. He wrote the afterword for the first printing of Might is Right with Anton LaVey's introduction. We've got a lot of stuff happening too much. Sleep deprivation is getting me so you just have to tune in go to the message boards at Radio Free Satan comm check out all the information there. The number just sent me a voicemail that Radio Free Satan it's the eight the the toll free numbers 877-302-3387 give me a call leave a voice message I'd love to play it on the air love your hate messages. You know whatever you want I think coming up next we're going to play a little over the left is great reads of Might is Right that Professor Sinister did for us and I really like them I think they turned out really good. Thanks Professor Sinister for all your help. I forget that maybe his webpages Professorsinister.com. I know he has a link on radiofreesatan.com so go there check it out. He's got a really good show on Radio Free Satan. Along with most everyone on Radio Free Satan. There's I think one exception, but the rest are choice. Just choice individuals. Anyway, hope you enjoy this. This is a really cool little ... little thing. Okay?

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06:06:16 Shane Bugbee: Let me see if I can get this going. Pretty much an idiot with this stuff.

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06:06:31 Professor Sinister: The world of war, the natural man is a warrior of a natural law is tooth and claw. All else is error. a condition of combat, everywhere exists we are born into a perpetual conflict. It is our inheritance, even if it was the heritage of previous generations, this condition of combat may be disguised with the holy phrases of Saint Francis with a soft, deceitful doctrines of a kropotkin or Tolstoy, but it cannot be eventually evaded by any human being or any tribe of human beings. It is there and it stays there. And each man whether he will or not, has to reckon with it. It rules all things governs all things, it rains over all things. And it decides all who imagined policemen eyes, populations, internationally regulated tranquility and state organized industrialism, so joyful blessings and divine blessings are the strong, for they shall inherit the earth coast of the week, for they shall inherit the yoke. There is no law in the heaven or Earth, that man must needs obey, grasp of what you can and all you can and grasp it while you may. Let not the Jew born Christ ideal interview in the fight. You have no rights except alone. The rights you when I might. There is no justice, right? no wrong no truth, no good no evil. There is no man's immortal soul, no fiery, fearsome devil. There is no heaven of glory. No, no hell with sinners roast, there is no God the Father, no, no son, no Holy Ghost. Life is a duel. And the fittest only can succeed. If you'd survive, go to input some fitness, your deed. visible world is no Nirvana, where joy forever flows. It is a gruesome butcher shop where dead lambs hang and Rose. Man is the most ferocious of all the beasts of prey. He arranged with around the mountains to love and feast and stay. He sailed the stormy ocean he gallops or the plains and the sucks the very marrow bones of captives held in chains. Death and this all for every man. For every son of thunder, then be a lion, not a lamb and don't be trampled under.

06:19:28 Canned Audio: He cried, he begged, he promised I didn't have to kill anyone just go and perform these various orders, and at the crucial time repeat his name over and over and he would arrive in infamy and then do the deed. The verses in my head agreed it could work, the ugly pictures that danced about the shadows and flew through light before my eyes said yes, King was omnipotent. King could do magic. King was all powerful. I had to obey. I flew to Washington later that week in September of 19, at 23 years old, nearly a year had passed since I had prepared to leave that day on that family picnic to fly guide. nearly a year since I saw him on the television, apologizing through his tears for his evil deeds. nearly a year since I chose him as a subject to study. September 1980, I had met a barmaid given her drugs, qualudes, pot and a lot of alcohol. Then offered a cocaine in exchange for helping me play a joke. All she had to do was let me tie her up and take pretend bondage photos. She agreed. I was so scattered. I barely was able to tie her wrist with a shoelace type bow knot. I didn't want to hurt her. I asked if the rope was too tight. She said no. I took a few photos and with her lying on the bed. I slipped a premade noose about her neck, whispered can can and pull the rope as I straddled over her. She naturally panicked and got her hands free and struggled. I fell off of her onto the floor. She screamed at me questioning me why I had done that. Why had I done that? He told me to. I tried to explain. I saw the news still about her neck. I rose to remove it. She drew away and I crumpled back to the floor crying. begging her to forgive me. I was Sorry, so sorry. It was as if dawn had finally come into my dimension. I could see the previous telepathic thoughts I believed were coming from her earlier that evening realize she didn't know why I was there. The voices had lied to me. The voices I heard prior to entering that room, lied. All lies. She didn't want me to kill her. And I didn't want to kill her anyway. But candidate and can never arrived. I said his name like you said, but it didn't work. He didn't come. And now I was lost. What had happened here? This poor woman was terrified of me, staring at me with eyes of disbelief and horror. What had I done? She tried to call me and get the story out of me, but I couldn't make sense of it myself. I kept saying, he made me do it. He killed me if I didn't. What did it mean? I couldn't put the pieces together. Veronica was in a strange room, and it just tried to hurt no to kill an innocent woman. How did it all happen? I told her to just go just go and call the police if she wanted. I didn't care. Just go. She hesitated. I was insistent. She was at the door confused and wanting an explanation. I nudged her out of the door and locked it behind her crying. I kept crying. As I staggered across the motel room, to the half gallon of wine, which I guzzled in, took more pills knows more cocaine I couldn't think I laid on the bed sobbing gradually. I recall telling her to call the police did she I couldn't stay I had to go. I removed the disguise and gathered my things and left to walk through the night's heavy downpour of rain. I'd rock until it was morning and then I fly back to California. I managed only a block or two until I collapsed by some bushes. A couple in a car saw me and came to help. They brought me to their car. I was incoherent but I did say my real name and where I was from. They found the motel key and drove me there. They then directed me to the door. watching me as I tried to unlock it. The inside chain lock was in place. The rooms interior was dark, but I could see two naked bodies on my bed engaged in sex. A man jumped up and came to the door. I told him it was my room. He apologized and asked that I give him a moment to dress. I staggered back to the car I'd come from two figures quickly left the room and vanished from the area. The driver told me I could go back in now. The people had left. I did and I fell onto the bed passing away into a heavy drugged out sleep. When I woke that morning I followed routine. I did more cocaine, drank more booze, took more pills and went to the airport. I then remembered I had still a taped nail. What did it say? who cared just get rid of it. I paid some desk work at the airport to mail it for me and boarded my plane. I didn't learn till trial that the couple I had found on my bed in the motel room that night was my victim she had returned with a man we had partied with earlier that evening. Evidently she would turn to see me and when I was no longer there, she and the man used my motel room as their own. But why? Why have sex in the same bed I had hours ago assaulted her on. days later I was arrested at my home. The detectives made a big fanfare of it cordoned off areas and brought in a trooper detectives armed and ready. I was half vacant half relieved the nightmare was changing. The arresting officers were Ellie's cream of the crop all specialists. Working on the hillside strangler Task Force they knew Ken and saw through his constant games. It was explained to me that I should admit right now that he had set me up to do the crime. I was following his orders. Further, I was no less than the third woman taken in by him. I just took it further. They continued searching my home a dozen art drawings he had sent me a pile of letters and a collection of love poems he had written to me were found one of his baby cups a gift from his mother, and numerous notes I had copied from his notes at the jail where before me notes copied that gives specifics for the crime notes later to be presented at trial. I didn't even know the full contents I had never read them holy. Just one more order by kin notes he'd smuggled into the visit room and held against the glass. I was booked in confined in sipple brand Institute for women the high power section the plate where women on death row are housed. A plastic bracelet was placed on my wrist or red torn shipped with my uniform. My soul was behind that my body and even less than with toilet and sink a dim light shone round the clock. cells on either side were left vacant. Women such as myself were too dangerous to have others any nearer. To my left a woman's voice called my name I ignored it. Reading Charles Manson's name engraved in the paint on my bars. The cell hadn't been painted in years. Not since the rest of the family. I thought of the irony. The woman who had the sound, had her orders to follow Didn't she from Masson to be on key Who were these men? The woman's voice called out again it was Carol Bundy, a woman involved in another serial killing case. The sons of Slayer. She produced herself and mentioned her case I began vomiting. This was too much Bianca Manson to Bundy No, everything was out of control. And I needed drugs to keep the walls of my dementia from crumbling. Too much terror and still, the boogeyman was near. Carol rambled on interrupted only by the piped in radio station that blared over. As a prisoner transported out of my cell. The measures were unbelievable. areas were cleared and hundreds of other women prisoners were ordered to remain hundreds of feet away from me as if I might magically break the cuffs and shackles and run amok. It was absurd. I thought my new social status for the first time as anathema. The media hype grew. over the months of my fight against extradition, I was besieged by the requests for interviews from all over the world. Letters from all over flooded in and still yet, caravan D kept on with stories of such bizarre content and perversion. I felt swallowed up by the situation. lines were clearly drawn now. I was cast out of civilized society in my only company with the likes of Carolyn Can, can did keep regular correspondence. Attorneys took care of that cannon did all the right moves to keep my mouth shut. He was not going to risk losing my loyalty. If I had implicated him, his deal to escape the death penalty was null and void and still has credibility to help convict his cousin Angelo Bono was destroyed. No can make certain to placate my hysteria and panic. We had developed the code of sorts to discuss various things, as I did with Carol Bundy. She was convinced I've been Ken's actual murder partner in all the hillsides wranglings. That illusion gave her the freedom to speak I suppose. Through this veiled code. She spoke about the joys of her crimes, removing their perversities and gains. She went on and on. My own thoughts were still way out in left field. I was in throes of serious withdrawals and the psychosis had a long way to bleed out. Before I could comprehend the seriousness of what had happened and what I had done. After five months of carols tales of beheading victims and sexual necrophilia, coupled with the hillside detectives, details of the murders done by kin, and questions of how could I protect such a monster? I thought my life was utterly surreal. Besides Carol, there was another woman on the other side who had thrown her kids off a bridge into traffic because the devil made her do it. My life was cast in hell, a place where insanity rained and there was no state. By early 1981, I was extradited and moved to Bellingham, Washington for trial. Still, there was the massive media attention and tremendous mail deliveries letters from strangers. I had read some of the letters if they seemed worthy of reading. There was one writer in particular that stood out. Daniel was his name Daniel had said my story reminded him of a modern day Romeo and Juliet theme. The woman who kills herself because she couldn't their life without her man. Why that struck me so deeply. I didn't understand. But I read on his letter was articulate and not the usual drivel, as so many words. And his letter distracted me enough to sit down and write a response. At that point in time, Ken and I had given interviews to the Herald examiner in Los Angeles. Having smuggled letters through legal staff we have conspired to create a new twist in the plot. We would both say that we were set up by Angelo Bono. I was indeed the missing Burnett from Universal City of years past the one candidate established previously as his alibi. I never came forward to help Ken at the time of his arrest because I was in fear of my life. So the story went when I had a contract on my life also, and can add his true love for me would not pull me into the picture. So we told the reporter so now here we were ready to tell the whole truth. The bullshit was so pathetically thick, only a moron could question it stench Daniel had kept writing. His letters never cease to amuse and occupy my thoughts because they were full on tales of a service man's life a free American who had many travels and many insights and went to trial. Live more than not on the stand is I couldn't bring myself to admit what I had done. The defense was concocted during chance with my legal staff stringing pieces together that sounded as close to believable as possible. We both fabricated myself and sorted my victim. She carefully left out any of the details that would cast her or her judgment in poor light. For instance, the bondage aspect of her agreeing to do it in exchange for cocaine. She left that truth out. Also my collapse on the floor begging her forgiveness, telling her to call the police in my having to net you're out of the door. Those things she left out, but she was the victim and I was the criminal. So I was really acceptable. Can you involvement, however, was completely left out of the proceedings. The jury found me guilty of first degree attempted murder. I was given at that time, the longest sentence of any woman in the state's history, natural life, sentenced to prison until the day I died. My attorney Of course reassured me that I'd be out in three years. That was when my mandatory expired since no actual death that occurred. I could not be given a mandatory beyond my deadly weapon, charge the rope. And still Daniel corresponded with me. I was moved to Washington woman's prison, where a new life awaited me a life I had no preparation for. It was new this time I learned Daniel's real identity. The man I had been corresponding with was not just an all American shell. No. Daniel used a mailing address that was not where he lived, because Daniel lived in jail. And Daniel was really Douglas, Douglas Clark, a man accused of serial killings, the same man that Carol Bundy had been involved with. He wanted me to now help him in his defense, say testify it is trial that Carol had set him up. What a fiasco what nightmare? Oh, yes, I had developed quite the relationship hadn't I, I had grown to confide in trust and depend on his letters and emotional support. And other hellbound serial killer. But next, was this it really, those I had in my life were all from Rogue's gallery LIFO with Oreos, and I the number one dupe of the century superbe i'd managed my life so stupidly so recklessly, so horribly. I gave up. Douglas Daniel Clark, the sunset Slayer, gave an interview to the press. He said he was in love with me wanted to marry me. Who none other than the hillside Stranglers girlfriend, now coined the copycat hillside strangler when Cain heard of the news from that article he wrote to tell me to get rid of Douglas fine, but I was on a roll. There was another death row occupant, I'd been writing Dwayne Bartholomew like Douglas, he gave an interview to the press and spoke of his love for me and desire to marry me. Terrific. I was the sickest sought after for behind bars. Who else would ever want me anyway, I had no life, no self esteem, no future. I drowned in the self hate and somewhere in between that early time in prison. I managed to brutal act of attempted suicide nearly bled to death. But a guard cruelly saved my wasted life. I despised him for years for that gesture. An interesting point about Kanye only discovered these last few years was prior to his arrest in 78. He had actually obtained a phony diploma stating that he had graduated as a psychologist. And with that, he actually opened up his own office, taking in patients from the streets. He had read extensively on psychology and the processes of hypnosis brainwashing and manipulation. All this he had been prior to ever meeting me. Yes, Ken was quite a guy. My real life Boogeyman.

06:36:25 Imagine this. Imagine being rehabilitated. Have you bought two decades of whipping post some things are to only be sent home like my mom's iron box in the ground media Hey, my name is rolling. Welcome to the dangers never reset to dirty infamy

06:43:40 Any chance we would make a mistake to try to come in and take any one of us. We will not let you you will die you will have to take anybody over all of our dead bodies loved the only weapons yet. Bullshit! Martin Luther King died was long. Love is the only weapon we have to fight the fight

06:44:07 Pre-record (masc): I tried my best to deal with deadlines. By the walls I tried have made outlines not only we're going to come down not only on the tiny sitting there waiting on a powder I think let me have mine. set by the man lasers my life I live my life now. Look at almost nothing here in the Congress persons without a silence is not unlimited to die what's gonna happen here in a matter of a few minutes I know that I didn't plan it but I know it's been happening you ever wanted to do it with many many different they don't mind brain I now know time to kill them anytime you like because we are not committing suicide because I believe back alone in a couple more lines because more congressman is No way. No way you can survive. or have any dissenting opinions. I left the limit has admitted they need to start going again. We don't want to try to get up and come with somebody don't know how to do that when there's no time not to be idle. Otherwise I'd have gone a bit young. Anybody understood my lot in the senior you tried to get the man whose mother's been lying on his mind on him and trying to break up with you. Nothing like I can't live that way. I cannot live that way. Get a very good reputation... is not accepted. Because so many lies laid bare...and alternatives. I don't think nothing is impossible to do You know somebody who's not in the coding practice or otherwise never seen anything like this before in my life I've never seen people take the laws agitate money is not working anymore on what's going to happen immediately when they don't really get to bring it down there to bring an IP so thank you for the letter. Mother things other pilots, I was thinking about that I was thinking about I know they're gonna have some value but not for others. As long as you'd like to get out designed to my hand and I want your life in my hand about me standing I'm standing with people. They're part of me. I never to get myself in trouble. But on my shoulders. Now this is what I'm talking about. 2017 with a revolutionary suicide Council, I'm not talking about I'm talking about the right we have no other way. I will take your call. Take it easy. Do you know what more than I try to give it to me I lay down my life every day because I'm having a decent a long while but still not the kind of thing that I wanted to give you. Speak up. Speak up. Come on. Take it off. Take it off. Somebody, somebody I've talked to was the same thing we wanted to do. So I was saying that he was not up to the willing women to come in whenever they come when they believe they won't listen to me. That's not the kind of freedom I thought beautiful day make it a beautiful day today immense amount of damage is going to be done. But I cannot separate myself from the WTF too long together. But I still think there's an individual I have a right I think we all have the right to our own destiny as individuals, right. And I think I have a right to mine and everybody else has a right because talking about having an individualized he didn't die, regretted it he didn't regret it. And the way was given as a member remember how to do things and I've been born out of receiving gifts and the best testimony we can make. You ask him what more do you suggest? Give me one slight bit of encouragement to go there. Lay down your burdens and not lay down. Down. Down down the line right now. Hey guys, john Rockafeller. Here.

Hour 8

07:01:17 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, fuck Jim Jones. He sucks. That whole thing sucked. But trying maybe to get a nap but it didn't happen. Well, Amy & Doug got a nap.

07:01:27 Amy Bugbee: Yes, I got an app. Am I on is this thing

07:01:32 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, like I said Amy's born with a pussy, but Doug's growing one. Your mics off! Now you're on.

07:01:43 Doug Misicko: All right.

07:01:47 Shane Bugbee: Doug grew up pussy while he slept. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you. My mic is the loudest so when I'm talking you really can't be heard. That's right. Yeah, that's my talk say something, you sleeping prick. The dog slept he didn't make it 24 hours... but Doug did sprout a pussy and he's gonna show it to you.

07:02:19 Doug Misicko: Hey, you're assuming you know when I woke up to begin with.

07:02:23 Shane Bugbee: What?

07:02:24 Doug Misicko: You're assuming you know you when I woke up to begin with.

07:02:28 Shane Bugbee: I know I saw you sleeping like a little baby. Sitting in there sucking your thumb sitting in a fetal position. Wawawawa. Mama Mama. That's what Doug says in his sleep "Mama. Mama Mama. Mama I'm having a bad nightmare."

07:02:45 Amy Bugbee: Well, I admitted I took a nap. I need a nap.

07:02:48 Shane Bugbee: ...talk into the mic.

07:02:49 Amy Bugbee: I was dying without a nap. I was fine until the Manson started and then when I didn't couldn't talk anymore. Knock me right out.

07:02:58 Shane Bugbee: Well, I'm gonna tell you, dog will show his pussy at the sex bow in Detroit. And at noir leathers, September 14 noir leathers, September 12 and 13th at the SExpo, and this is all going on in Detroit. Can you believe Doug's from Detroit and he still goes to sleep?

07:03:21 Doug Misicko: With one eye open.

07:03:22 Shane Bugbee: I think he's... one eye open? [laughter]

07:03:27 Amy Bugbee: Which eye Doug, which eye?

07:03:30 Doug Misicko: Keep you guessing.

07:03:33 Shane Bugbee: Well, you know what? I say we play. See if it'll play here. Let's see. All right.

07:06:59 Canned Audio: [music]

07:07:41 Shane Bugbee: We're back on the air. Here we go. Doug. Want to say something?

07:07:45 Doug Misicko: No.

07:07:46 Shane Bugbee: Well get your hand out of your pussy.

07:07:48 Doug Misicko: It's all it's all hand gestures from here.

07:07:51 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

07:07:52 Doug Misicko: Facial expressions and hand gestures from here on in. Doesn't translate well.

07:08:01 Shane Bugbee: But you live to disappoint don't you?

07:08:03 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

07:08:04 Shane Bugbee: That's why I like you.

07:08:06 Doug Misicko: Right now I was in the middle of chatting with somebody...

07:08:10 Shane Bugbee: One guy, the one guy listening.

07:08:11 Doug Misicko: Yeah the one guy.

07:08:13 Shane Bugbee: Well just tell him to listen, and quit chatting.

07:08:16 Doug Misicko: I can't focus on more than one thing at once.

07:08:20 Unknown: That's what the guy's problems are. Amy trys to tell me obviously doing something. Oh, she goes oh yeah, I saw a squirrel climb a tree or whatever I say. I don't fucking care. I can't think about two things at once.

07:08:37 Doug Misicko: Kind of squirrels you got around here. I got black squirrels around my house.

07:08:42 Unknown: I don't know. We have squirrels.

07:08:45 Doug Misicko: Yeah, but are they baige are they small? You know chipmunks are cannibals.

07:08:51 Unknown: I don't give a fuck. Are they really? They eat themselves?

07:08:54 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

07:08:55 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

07:08:59 Doug Misicko: Now the one chatters leaving. He's gotta go by nodoz. Fuck.

07:09:06 Shane Bugbee: Gotta go buy nodoz? Don't bullshit. You're going to sleep motherfucker. Unless you come back in about a half hour and say "hello". We know your sleeping.

07:09:15 Doug Misicko: In fact, that's what he said see in half an hour.

07:09:17 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, we'll see.

07:09:18 Doug Misicko: We're timing you.

07:09:19 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I don't really believe you. But I do believe in all mighty GG Allen.

07:16:17 Shane Bugbee: Yo Doug's still sleeping. Doug's pale his lips are blue. He looks like he is dying.

07:16:20 Doug Misicko: I'm always pale. What the fuck?

07:16:22 Shane Bugbee: Well are your lips always blue?

07:16:24 Doug Misicko: I dunno. My lips have never blue.

07:16:27 Shane Bugbee: You look like you're dying right now doug. It's a shame.

07:16:31 Doug Misicko: I always look like I'm dying...wishing that I was.

07:16:33 Shane Bugbee: Doug doesn't drink coffee. Doug won't drink the coffee.

07:16:40 Doug Misicko: It is a rather brisk morning though isn't it?

07:16:43 Amy Bugbee: Yes, I was waiting to sneeze. I had to sneeze. I knew I was going to sneeze.

07:16:50 Doug Misicko: All right.

07:16:51 Shane Bugbee: So Doug...

07:16:53 Doug Misicko: Yeah?

07:16:54 Shane Bugbee: Why don't you go back to sleep you puss.

07:16:56 Doug Misicko: All right that's fine.

07:17:02 Shane Bugbee: Quiter.

07:17:02 Doug Misicko: I though I had work to do but if that's the way you want it ...

07:17:05 Shane Bugbee: Quitter. He's a quitter.

07:17:10 Doug Misicko: I'll show you. I wont stop until we are both cut up into ribbons.

07:17:15 Amy Bugbee: You know how those young kids are, they can handle it.

07:17:19 Doug Misicko: Fuck the kids.

07:17:20 Amy Bugbee: Young, dumb and full calm. Whoa.

07:17:23 Doug Misicko: Hey.

07:17:26 Amy Bugbee: So the update says my turntable is dead.

07:17:30 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

07:17:31 Doug Misicko: This is a new addition. Picture of the girl packing a rag in her ass...

07:17:36 Amy Bugbee: Trying to work on that one.

07:17:37 Shane Bugbee: That's from I took that picture that's from the Huston Gangbang 500. That's after she was halfway through. She gets on takes a break and wipes all the fucking jizzum out of her ass.

07:17:47 Doug Misicko: You were at?

07:17:48 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I was there.

07:17:50 Doug Misicko: Oh, yeah. What were you doing there? Did you gangbang her?

07:17:52 Shane Bugbee: No, I brought a bunch of people from Chicago at night newspaper. I helped promote the gangbang I helped get freaks like yourself in line. People desperate for attention.

07:18:03 Doug Misicko: How many did she do?

07:18:06 Shane Bugbee: 630 something odd guys.

07:18:10 Doug Misicko: They test these guys medically?

07:18:13 Amy Bugbee: Yes, they did. They had to have stringent aids tests.

07:18:17 Shane Bugbee: You know what was fucked up about it. Everyone all the guys in line. They don't let you have your clothes or nothing. So you wear a T shirt. And then you got no pants on. So there's like these 500 guys walk around with their no pants on. And then there's like a group of press people and other people. And what's funny, Hart Fisher was there with me. And he's going to be we're going to be calling him in a little bit.

07:18:40 Amy Bugbee: Waking him up?

07:18:41 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. But um, it was funny, because I'm in line and they had this free food hotdogs, stuff like that. And I'm going to get a free hot dog and I go to grab the catch a bottle. And I see this guy with his pants off. You know, when you got your pants off. Everyone's talking about their dick and stuff. Right? This guy? Come and gangbanging he's grabbing the ketchup on I have to think there's 500 guys, they're talking at their dick saw this, you know, fungus is going around. It's all over the ketchup bottles and all the doorknobs and walk around the whole time. You know, with my T shirt in my hand opening and doornobs.

07:19:16 Doug Misicko: You're licking everything. Licking everything you can get your tongue on.

07:19:20 Shane Bugbee: Doug just woke up. So he's fantasizing about licking everything he can get his tongue on and it's just it's a slip. He's having a brain fart right now. Doug has hard on, he's talking about licking the doorknobs.

07:19:30 Doug Misicko: Got my pants off and I'm fucking it.

07:19:31 Shane Bugbee: He's taught he's thinking about. He's thinking about looking after firing... That's horrible.

07:19:39 Amy Bugbee: Shane called me from the gangbang all disturbed, "I can't even have a hot dog."

07:19:45 Doug Misicko: Oh, what do you mean?

07:19:48 Amy Bugbee: And then you said when you walked up it sounded like a Rocky. Like someone was beating a side of beef.

07:19:52 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I walk into the place and I just hear fucking someone... You know? Oh, man. I'm like, Holy fuck. I never heard that before in my life. Okay, so I'm not doing the right thing I guess, in bed. I just walk in a huge fucking black guy fucking banging away at her like a monster. I'm like, Holy fuck, man. This is, you know, right there. I felt like just, you know, crawling up in a hole. I was like, that's, you know, I'm not a huge guy.

07:20:05 Doug Misicko: Crawlling up in what kind of hole?

07:20:21 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

07:20:27 Amy Bugbee: So did you tell him what happened with the tests for the winners? How we had a contest in our newspaper, Chicago?

07:20:33 Shane Bugbee: No.

07:20:34 Amy Bugbee: Well, we had this newspaper Chicago at Night. And we had the contest for the Houston game bank. And we had 10 winners, and out of the 10 winners, I think three people actually flew to California. One guy got his whole back tattooed with Chicago at Night and a big picture a Houston. They all got out there. And it turned out they had the wrong aids test and none of them could participate. They could just stand and watch everyone else.

07:21:04 Doug Misicko: So these guys flew over there because they wanted to fuck her with everybody else?

07:21:08 Amy Bugbee: Yep.

07:21:10 Doug Misicko: Kinda guys were these? Did you meet them?

07:21:13 Amy Bugbee: Yes. Very sad, lonely and desperate people.

07:21:20 Doug Misicko: I guess it goes without saying.

07:21:23 Amy Bugbee: The guy who had his his whole bag tattooed, he also split his penis in half. So it was two halves. But he was a virgin and so he was going to be losing his virginity to Houston. And then none of it panned out.

07:21:36 Doug Misicko: Isn't that special.

07:21:37 Amy Bugbee: Yeah. Isn't that special? So she signed his back at the, at the gangbang. So he went and got it tattooed while he was there in California.

07:21:48 Doug Misicko: Did they have those... There's something on TV about a gangbang or something like that. Or howard stern did something but they had people in the line. Women suck in these guys. Getting them primed or whatever.

07:22:04 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, fluffers.

07:22:06 Doug Misicko: They had em?

07:22:07 Amy Bugbee: And they had... Shane said that a Laurie Holmes, john Holmes ex-wife was one of the fluffers or his wife when he died. And then there was another girl that was...

07:22:20 Doug Misicko: She's gotta be pretty old by now.

07:22:23 Amy Bugbee: I have no idea. It's not his first wife. It's the one that he married just like after he already had AIDS and stuff.

07:22:30 Doug Misicko: No.

07:22:31 Amy Bugbee: And then there was another girl there that must have had implants or something and had him taken out and he said that her boobs looked like shriveled up raisins.

07:22:39 Doug Misicko: Oh, so I guess they didn't have to really be physically attractive to be a turn on. They just had to be willing to suck.

07:22:50 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. You know, they're just there to fluff.

07:22:54 Doug Misicko: Just there to fluff.

07:22:58 Amy Bugbee: He calls from the hotel room and he said I think they're gonna gangbang me. What do I do? I said...

07:23:03 Doug Misicko: What do you mean, what do you do? Grab your ankles.

07:23:06 Amy Bugbee: I say get him to a massage parlor and fast.

07:23:12 Doug Misicko: We had some asshole was gonna call in.

07:23:15 Amy Bugbee: He said he called and he got the answering machine. But I don't know which number.

07:23:19 Shane Bugbee: Oh, that's... Yeah, yeah, because I have the ringer off. You have to watch the light.

07:23:24 Doug Misicko: Oh.

07:23:25 Amy Bugbee: It never lit up, I was watching it.

07:23:26 Shane Bugbee: Well, then he's a fucking liar.

07:23:29 Amy Bugbee: Are you lying to us...

07:23:30 Shane Bugbee: You lying prick. Well just tell them to call the 877 number. That's what he needs to call. Just tell him to leave a wicked message on there.

07:23:38 Amy Bugbee: I think you just told them. He's holding on with the nodoz so you know he could be hallucinating at this point. Who knows?

07:23:47 Doug Misicko: Yeah he never even died. He only thought about it and then thought he did.

07:23:52 Shane Bugbee: That's what I'm talking about. Okay.

07:23:55 Doug Misicko: Now now we've got him in the middle of a gangbang in his mind.

07:23:59 Amy Bugbee: Yes, he wants to know how you can fuck with a split cock.

07:24:04 Shane Bugbee: Who does? Oh, you told him about it. I was like maybe that must be...

07:24:09 Amy Bugbee: Oh, yeah.

07:24:10 Shane Bugbee: I missed that. I fell asleep. I laid my head on the microphone. I was sleeping.

07:24:15 Doug Misicko: Why would a guy split his cock before he's even gotten laid ever.

07:24:19 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, talk about making things harder. I mean, you're already an experienced.

07:24:25 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

07:24:27 Amy Bugbee: And then you got to handle two halves to your wang? He says the 877 number just keeps ringing. Damn Rich fell asleep. What's going on over there?

07:24:42 Shane Bugbee: Complain. Let's complain to Rich now. Rich. Wake up, Rich. Wake up you big smelly fucking homo.

07:24:55 Doug Misicko: Lucifer has got the split cock. I guess you can't find a doctor to do that.

07:25:02 Amy Bugbee: No, the guy from the Houston gangbang I think did it himself or had his local tattoo artists do it or something?

07:25:13 Shane Bugbee: Okay, well, we're here to sell books. Believe it or not, so. Does my big gun have a copy of Might is Right. If he doesn't, he needs to go buy one or quit talking to him. Fuck him. No really...

07:25:28 Amy Bugbee: Give him a prize since he's been listening.

07:25:30 Shane Bugbee: Well, if he makes it the whole time, we'll give him a prize. We're gonna give a prize for now. I made it this far. I mean, you guys didn't but I did. What's the big deal?

07:25:39 Amy Bugbee: He's gonna call it to a nine number again.

07:25:43 Doug Misicko: We're watching this time.

07:25:45 Shane Bugbee: We believe you.

07:25:46 Doug Misicko: ...believe it when we see it.

07:25:48 Amy Bugbee: Are the helicopters coming for you too?

07:25:51 Shane Bugbee: Oh, here's a good thing though. Here's something we're doing this morning. Check this out. So we're going to Detroit. We need a bunch of books. The books that Might is Right just got printed, right. So we had a couple 100 books FedEx to us. And well, they're being held by customs. It's very exciting. We have like five of the copies of Might is Right. And customs is holding them and this morning about 10:30-11am. We find out if the books are going to be here. So it's going to be exciting here. We might be smashing things, killing UPS people... What's wrong?

07:26:31 Amy Bugbee: He says this time it says we're sorry, the number you reached is not in service. I bet is he at a phone booth, did he say?

07:26:39 Doug Misicko: He didn't say?

07:26:40 Shane Bugbee: What numbers he call it? Who cares? Quit talking about him. I mean, that's enough. He's harassing us.

07:26:48 Doug Misicko: For frankly, we don't have to tolerate it.

07:26:52 Shane Bugbee: I mean, I can keep talking my God, I'm gonna fall asleep myself kicked out my goddamn phone number not working. Make it work dude.

07:27:04 Doug Misicko: Who is this guy was sitting in on us?

07:27:06 Shane Bugbee: I know you can do it.

07:27:08 Doug Misicko: Feel like my privacy is being invaded.

07:27:11 Shane Bugbee: You must be an elite person. If you're listening to this.

07:27:14 Amy Bugbee: It's the right number and I called the phone company to know for sure that we wouldn't get cut off.

07:27:25 Doug Misicko: something's gone foul.

07:27:27 Amy Bugbee: Yes. It's the government.

07:27:29 Doug Misicko: Yeah. The feds are at it.

07:27:34 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, it'll be exciting this morning about if we actually get the copies of Might is Right. That'll be fun. So Doug, how did you how did you come into doing artwork and doing this stuff? What? What happened? I mean, you've never you've never done a goddamn thing, have you?

07:27:56 Amy Bugbee: What gives you the right? Dammit.

07:27:58 Shane Bugbee: What gives you the right to do illustrations for Might is Right now that I'm thinking about it? I didn't think about it before. But what the fuck have you done?

07:28:07 Doug Misicko: I'm the best you've ever met. And as they say, if I didn't do it, somebody less qualified would have.

07:28:15 Shane Bugbee: Oh, come on now.

07:28:17 Doug Misicko: Shit. Nobody is more perfect for Might is Right than myself.

07:28:22 Shane Bugbee: You think?

07:28:23 Doug Misicko: I think.

07:28:23 Shane Bugbee: You're born for it, huh?

07:28:25 Doug Misicko: That's me. Born for Might is Right. In fact, I was looking for that book for a long time before you gave me the project.

07:28:34 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I wouldn't sell you one, would I?

07:28:36 Doug Misicko: No you wouldn't. I had to make my own.

07:28:40 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Yeah, well, Doug works at a bookstore. Major book chain. We can't mention it. Because he wipes boogers in the toilet all over the place. He's almost gonna get fired because of it. One more booger. He's out. You fuckin' booger picker in the fucking toilet. Now. Yeah. So Doug, are you formally trained?

07:29:07 Doug Misicko: I am not.

07:29:07 Shane Bugbee: At drawing pictures.

07:29:10 Doug Misicko: No, I couldn't went to CCS. No... I could have been less of somebody if I went to the art training. I could have been a pretentious little shit. We're in the john lennon glasses and a berrett Fuck that. You either have it or you don't. You can tell the art training people from the people who can do art.

07:29:33 Shane Bugbee: I'm with you there you know that I'm on with the self taught artist. Anyone who's been trained usually has blinders on. They don't see pastor. They don't see pastors map their masters' direction.

07:29:45 Doug Misicko: You can see their stylized, rigid. I don't know some people are into that. Fuck that. There's a real expensive art school in Detroit. That's where all those pretentious little fucks go.

07:30:01 Shane Bugbee: Detroit has something expensive?

07:30:03 Doug Misicko: Yeah. People come from all over to go to this shithole. You're basically guaranteed design work or whatever when you get out. This cocksuckers in fests, the art theatres and everything else and laugh really pretentiously when something's supposed to be funny. You know?

07:30:28 Shane Bugbee: [laughter]

07:30:28 Amy Bugbee: Did you go to college at all or just high school? Did you finish high school? Were you homeschooled? Were you raised by wolves? What's the deal?

07:30:35 Doug Misicko: No, I, I finished high school. Unfortunately. I hated it. And I took some college classes, but I couldn't end it. Last time I went I did really good. But I just couldn't bring myself to go back. I couldn't stand it. I was taking some community college classes. And it was all fucking idiots who didn't want to be there. And housewives who wanted to talk throughout the whole class. I couldn't tolerate it. And especially I had a history class. It was some fat fuck...

07:31:12 Shane Bugbee: Hey!

07:31:13 Doug Misicko: All right. It was some some fuck neoconservative republican guy who's given his own version of history...

07:31:24 Shane Bugbee: Survival the fattest?

07:31:25 Doug Misicko: Yeah, well, no. He started out first fucking class. He started out by Summing up ancient history as the world was one big grab asstic cesspool of shit. And then Christianity came along and everybody kind of got along after that. Until liberalism popped up and started fucking shit up in the modern day. yeah yeah people didn't get along till Christianity taught them to be good to one another, according to this fucking fat fuck. Wish I remember his name. That'd be spouting out petty threats about how to come over and beat him.

07:32:04 Shane Bugbee: Wish wish. Let's all wish. I'm wishing.

07:32:09 Doug Misicko: Wishing he was getting his ass kicked.

07:32:11 Shane Bugbee: Did you get the name?

07:32:12 Doug Misicko: I can't get it. I can't remember.

07:32:14 Shane Bugbee: Wishes aren't working today.

07:32:15 Doug Misicko: ...because I never called him by his name I was referred to him as something derogatory towards overweight people

07:32:23 Shane Bugbee: Motherfucker

07:32:25 Amy Bugbee: Stop with the fat prejudice, man.

07:32:28 Doug Misicko: All right.

07:32:32 Shane Bugbee: So I think what we're gonna do is...

07:32:39 Amy Bugbee: What are we gonna do, shane?

07:32:40 Shane Bugbee: I don't know what we're gonna do,yet. Let me think here. Whoa, I can't think anymore.

07:32:45 Amy Bugbee: Well wait two years ago today what was happening at this particular moment had the plane hit headed hit yet

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07:34:54 Canned Audio: We still will not confirm how many injuries there are. How many fatalities Secretary Rumsfeld also saying the Pentagon is not in a position to share those numbers with us as well. Mr. Gates, Are you with me? Yes. Yes. Okay, good. I'm not glad you can hear me, sir. In the last news conference that we just watched Secretary Rumsfeld would not confirm if the Pentagon is any indication of an impending he said he had not devolving that intelligence. Tonight when you think how it was for the Pentagon. Any

07:35:26 Doug Misicko: About 10:30 that morning, I got up. People were talking about it. Then I immediately went about business of not giving a fuck because I knew I was gonna hear too much about that bullshit news. A beautiful day out and actually the whole September 11 thing worked out great for me. Store shut down or anything else. There wasn't much traffic and the people who were driving we're driving really fun. Either. They're driving really fast or they're driving really slow. There's all this shit about on the news about people pulling together and helping one another and being more brotherly. There's a bunch of shit. I think there's a bunch of shit everywhere. I don't think it ever happened. Another thing. Speaking of that, like during the blackout....

07:36:10 Shane Bugbee: What?

07:36:10 Doug Misicko: ...talking about, during the blackout. They were saying the same thing in Detroit newspapers that people were pulling together during the blackout and shit like that wasn't fucking happening, man. It was a riot over there. People were probably fucking killed left and right. People were barricading themselves in their house. When shit...

07:36:33 Amy Bugbee: On the news here, they said that there was no looting or riots anywhere but in Canada. Who they also blamed the blackout on, too.

07:36:41 Doug Misicko: My ass. They were fucking rioting. They couldn't even cover up the fact that they're rioting in Detroit at gas stations.

07:36:49 Shane Bugbee: All I know is, about a half hour ago the second plane I think hit the... What was the second plane hit the second building. I didn't hear most of what you said. All I know's that, we heard about it on the radio. We were working. We heard about it, ran upstairs and watch the events... pretty fucked up... that, you know, TV was blacked out for a whole week, which was pretty fucked up. It was... we made was we made salsa Salsa Bin Ladin. We made this new salsa. We named salsa Bin Ladin because it was really fucking hot. Okay, there's like the fucking the buildings been on fire. We enjoyed it. Ya know, that's what we did we make salsa.

07:37:41 Doug Misicko: Enjoyed your day, huh?

07:37:42 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah, we enjoyed it. And then I had sort of creeped out and I started hiding under a pillow a little bit. Because it was so fucking quiet. Never heard it so quiet. Because planes wheren't flying. Go outside you can hear, the depth of silence.

07:38:00 Doug Misicko: It was a peaceful day.

07:38:02 Shane Bugbee: It was silent. And I can't believe how much noise fucking planes make. You know, it was amazing. They they stopped planes from flying.

07:38:13 Doug Misicko: That's why I enjoyed the blackout. Got a call in?

07:38:19 Amy Bugbee: We had a caller.

07:38:22 Doug Misicko: So if you're out there, try back.

07:38:26 Amy Bugbee: We were right on the flight path for midway, and all of a sudden there was no planes. It was so incredibly quiet... I remember seeing it I had just gotten online and there was a picture of blast with a building exploded on AOL on the homepage. And I said, Wow, Shane, look at that. He said that's from 93 or whatever. And then all of a sudden, we're listening to Howard Stern and Howard Stern was gone. So we ran upstairs to turn the TV on.

07:38:58 Doug Misicko: Two so called disasters that we're really we're being lied to about that. Really were fine by me. There's a blackout. Blackout was great. I was able to look outside and there was no light pollution. You're actually able to see the stars and everything else. All these dumb fucks are driving around there's supposed to be a curfew in the area I was living in, people weren't supposed to be out after nine. But if you don't declare martial law and threaten to shoot these fucks they're gonna be out on the road anyway it doesn't matter if there's three inches of ice on the fucking road, white sheet storm coming down, these dipshits are out there because they got to go out shopping or whatever they gotta do.

07:39:41 Shane Bugbee: What do you think of martial law?

07:39:43 Doug Misicko: I think that's fine. Lay down the law and the people who are out of line fucking throw them down and shoot 'em. I think a little while martial law weed out that stupid motherfuckers and then you don't really need law because the people will be okay.

07:40:00 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, LaVey when we met LaVey we did the last me and Amy had done the last interview with Anton LaVey. He said he's wished for is martial law, guard on every corner, then he could walk around safe.

07:40:15 Amy Bugbee: He didn't feel safe going outside. He didn't like to go out.

07:40:19 Doug Misicko: Na, I understand that. I mean, I'm for a few laws. I'm against drug laws and everything else. But the laws that we do have should be enforced. The Pentagon is such an iron fist that people don't survive breaking em.

07:40:33 Shane Bugbee: We got a call from some loon. Who's calling? Speak up bro.

07:40:45 Doug Misicko: You sound a little shy.

07:40:47 Shane Bugbee: Speak up man.

07:40:49 Amy Bugbee: Talk loudly into your phone.

07:40:53 Caller: Hi.

07:40:54 Shane Bugbee: Hey, we can hear you a little bit.

07:40:57 Amy Bugbee: Are you halucinating yet?

07:40:59 Caller: A little bit.

07:41:01 Doug Misicko: You get your nodoz? Jim Jones was playing.

07:41:11 Shane Bugbee: You couldn't hear any of that, huh?

07:41:14 Caller: Huh?

07:41:16 Doug Misicko: Couldn't hear any of that Jim Jones, huh?

07:41:19 Caller: No.

07:41:20 Doug Misicko: But you listened anyway didn't ya?

07:41:31 Shane Bugbee: You know we can barely hear you now so you're getting us even.

07:41:34 Caller: Yeah, you really quiet to me.

07:41:36 Doug Misicko: Well I'm not quiet.

07:41:39 Caller: It's the phone.

07:41:43 Shane Bugbee: Hey, now you're speaking into the mic, huh?

07:41:46 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, I turned it up.

07:41:49 Doug Misicko: It's as easy as that.

07:41:51 Amy Bugbee: Tech support from Amy, here. So, don't you have to do anything today, or are you gonna listen all day long?

07:41:59 Caller: I don't do shit.

07:42:03 Doug Misicko: Oh, you were saying you're a high school dropout?

07:42:06 Caller: Yeah.

07:42:08 Doug Misicko: How old are you?

07:42:08 Caller: 17.

07:42:10 Shane Bugbee: You know what response I dropped out of high school. And I'm doing just fine. That's the best way to go school is for losers.

07:42:17 Caller: That's what I'm saying.

07:42:19 Shane Bugbee: Fuck that bullshit they teach... What the when the fuck are you going to dissect a frog in life? Except for fun.

07:42:25 Doug Misicko: I dunno. Oh, okay.

07:42:27 Amy Bugbee: Tuesday nights for Doug.

07:42:28 Shane Bugbee: Let me turn Dougs mic off for a second.

07:42:30 Amy Bugbee: Every tuesday night is frog dissection night for him.

07:42:34 Shane Bugbee: Seriously, fuck, who cares?

07:42:38 Caller: I didn't learn shit that was gonna help me anytime.

07:42:41 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. What do you do for money?

07:42:43 Caller: I steal from my grandfather who steals from my mom.

07:42:48 Shane Bugbee: Are you rich?

07:42:50 Caller: Fuck no.

07:42:51 Amy Bugbee: Is your mom rich?

07:42:52 Caller: No.

07:42:53 Amy Bugbee: Where are you from? You're going to college?

07:42:57 Caller: My mom is. Then I'm going.

07:42:59 Shane Bugbee: Is she's good looking?

07:43:00 Doug Misicko: What's she going to college for?

07:43:02 Caller: Web design and such. Some kind of music too.

07:43:13 Doug Misicko: How many years older than you, is she?

07:43:17 Caller: My mom?

07:43:19 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

07:43:24 Caller: My mom was 17 when she had me, so that makes her 17 years older now.

07:43:32 Shane Bugbee: So, what are you gonna do with your life?

07:43:35 Caller: I'll have some minimum wage job.

07:43:43 Caller: What else is there?

07:43:43 Shane Bugbee: That's it?

07:43:45 Amy Bugbee: Plans, goals, anything like that?

07:43:49 Shane Bugbee: I take it you don't have a girlfriend.

07:43:54 Caller: Well I know a girl that wants to fuck me, but I haven't fucked her yet.

07:44:01 Doug Misicko: Wait...

07:44:01 Shane Bugbee: Dude, girls don't like guys without money. Without a job or ambition at least. I have no money, but...

07:44:09 Caller: Have you been to my town? Nobody has money here.

07:44:11 Shane Bugbee: Where are you from?

07:44:14 Caller: Amsterdam New York.

07:44:18 Shane Bugbee: Ah, Come on. You got New York right there. There's a lot of money around New York.

07:44:22 Caller: Not in Amsterdam. It's a real shithole. Fucking 2000 people.

07:44:28 Shane Bugbee: Well, why do you stay? Why do you stay?

07:44:33 Doug Misicko: How far are you from Socrates?

07:44:36 Caller: Like an hour or two. I'm like 45 minutes from Albeny, is all I know.

07:44:42 Amy Bugbee: So, you're in Pendleton? Hometown Timothy McVeigh.

07:44:51 Doug Misicko: I went to World War Three that was Woodstock over there.

07:44:56 Caller: Yeah the Woodstock here. The second one sucked.

07:45:01 Doug Misicko: I dunno, it was kind of fun. It was a fucking Riot. People being hauled off by the medical chopper.

07:45:07 Caller: Hell, yeah. Beating the hell out of eachother to come here.

07:45:13 Shane Bugbee: How do you go to Woodstock and not have a job.?

07:45:18 Doug Misicko: He just walked in, didnt cha? You just walked in Ninja you didn't buy a ticket.

07:45:24 Caller: I didn't go I watch it on TV.

07:45:26 Doug Misicko: Alright, right.

07:45:27 Caller: So like 10 years ago.

07:45:28 Doug Misicko: How you do everything isn't it? You watch it on TV. You live your life through the TV.

07:45:34 Caller: Yeah, well...

07:45:37 Doug Misicko: You're supposed to deny this shit.

07:45:38 Caller: Fuck TV, I got stereo.

07:45:40 Shane Bugbee: Hey, do are you into any arts? Are you in a band?

07:45:44 Caller: No. I'm friends with a few rappers but you know...

07:45:49 Shane Bugbee: Rappers!? You nigger loving fuck. Oh, we lost our one listener.

07:45:58 Amy Bugbee: So what are you doing on Radio Free Satan?

07:46:05 Caller: Spending time that I have.

07:46:08 Doug Misicko: What turned you on to this?

07:46:10 Caller: My friend Ryan. He was ranting about Satanism and all that for a while and he goes on to talking about Satanism today constantly.

07:46:21 Doug Misicko: Yeah, but I bet you he's not listening now is he?

07:46:24 Caller: No, he's fuckin doing some college shit.

07:46:30 Doug Misicko: I see.

07:46:31 Shane Bugbee: Hard shit?

07:46:32 Doug Misicko: College. He's educated. He's highfalutin.

07:46:43 Shane Bugbee: Have you ever read the Satanic Bible?

07:46:46 Caller: Yeah.

07:46:48 Amy Bugbee: And you still don't have any ambitions?

07:46:51 Doug Misicko: We're gonna call up your friend Ryan. Why don't you? Why don't you message us his number?

07:46:57 Caller: I don't know his number, he's in Georgia.

07:46:59 Doug Misicko: Oh, come on, you're bullshitting. Don't protect his ass.

07:47:02 Amy Bugbee: Did you meet him in a chat room?

07:47:04 Caller: No Bangorlovers.net.

07:47:10 Doug Misicko: Do you pick up the girls in the chat rooms?

07:47:14 Caller: Most of em aren't girls.

07:47:15 Doug Misicko: Can you pick up on them?

07:47:19 Shane Bugbee: All right, big guy. We're gonna let you go.

07:47:26 Caller: Alright, later.

07:47:27 Shane Bugbee: Keep in touch though, call in later.

07:47:29 Caller: I probably will. I ain't sleeping.

07:47:35 Shane Bugbee: Well don't sleep. We'll give you a nice reward. At least you'll earn something today.

07:47:40 Doug Misicko: 70 virgins.

07:47:45 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, at least you learn something today. See, you're working right now on a goal.

07:47:50 Doug Misicko: If you could say one thing to the president, right now. What would it be?

07:47:54 Caller: Huh?

07:47:54 Doug Misicko: If you can say one thing to the President of the United States, right now. What would it be?

07:47:58 Caller: I don't know, fucking got any coke?

07:48:07 Doug Misicko: What can be done? www.dysgenics.com

07:48:17 Shane Bugbee: Evil now that calm your home for hate? Evil now calm your home for Satan. And allow God's love to hate you.

07:49:21 Doug Misicko: worthless, there are counterproductive. What can be done? www.dysgenics.com

07:49:28 Shane Bugbee: Evilnow.com your home for hate. Evilnow.com your home for Satan. Evilnow.com, we love to hate you.

07:49:54 Coming up Hart Fisher. You hear me? Alright...

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Attempted Hart Fisher Interview

07:52:05 Shane Bugbee: Okay, we're back. I believe. Amy, say something.

07:52:10 Amy Bugbee: Hello.

07:52:13 Shane Bugbee: Hello.

07:52:14 Amy Bugbee: How you doing? Can you hear me? Are we back on? Everything's okay?

07:52:19 Shane Bugbee: Doug's yawning.

07:52:20 Doug Misicko: I'm sleeping. I didn't get to run my morning laps.

07:52:29 Shane Bugbee: We're gonna call a gentleman. His name's Hart Fisher. If you're not familiar with him go check out BoneyardPress dot Com he's a real dirty dicker.

07:52:44 Amy Bugbee: Should I start dialing?

07:52:45 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah, he'll fucking dirty dick ya in a second. But he did a Dahmer comicbook. He can be offensive sometimes. Rarely interesting. Always offensive.

07:53:02 Doug Misicko: Can't wait.

07:53:05 Shane Bugbee: So we're dialing up Hart on Fishing. I mean Fisher. Let's see if he's in.

07:53:14 Hart Fisher (answering machine): You got an answering machine, yet. Again. Please leave your number and brief message or send your fax and we will get back to you as soon as humanly possible. Thank you and have a nice day.

07:53:28 Amy Bugbee: Haaaaart, waaaake up. It's time to be on the radio.

07:53:38 Shane Bugbee: C'mon Hart! What the fuck?

07:53:42 Doug Misicko: Is there a hart-on?

07:53:43 Shane Bugbee: Is there another number on there?

07:53:45 Amy Bugbee: Yep, there's a cell number.

07:53:47 Shane Bugbee: Dial it. Hart, you're fucking killing this shit. You motherfucker. Hey Doug! Say something, would ya?

07:53:55 Doug Misicko: What can I say? All I came here for was to talk to Hart Fisher. And what do we get?

07:54:02 Shane Bugbee: Well talk to yourself, but say something.

07:54:05 Doug Misicko: Cold shoulder.

07:54:07: Amy Bugbee: Alright, try that again.

07:54:09: Doug Misicko: Okay,

07:54:13 Shane Bugbee: Hey, like the dialing? Doug doesn't have a word to say.

07:54:19 Doug Misicko: People get the message, they hear dialing they know somebody is about to get on the phone.

07:54:23 Amy Bugbee: They also know we don't have long-distance service.

07:54:29 Hart Fisher (voicemail): You have reached my voicemail, and when I feel the tug of the leash, I'll call ya right back. So please leave your name, number, and a brief message.

07:54:33 Automated voicemail: To leave a voice message. Press one or just wait for the tone. To send a numeric page, press two now.

07:54:42 Shane Bugbee: Hart.

07:54:43 Automated voicemail: At the tone please record your voice message. When you are finished recording. You may hang up or press pound for more options.

07:54:52 Shane Bugbee: Hart Fisher, you are fucking faggot.

07:54:55 Doug Misicko: You motherfucker...

07:54:57 Shane Bugbee: Fisher stands for "Jew." You are a jew-boy. I can't believe he blew us off. What a crybaby. "8 a.m., I can't talk." Well basically, Hart Fisher is a child molester. He was arrested for touching little boys. And he puts comic books out, so we wanted to talk to him. He's a sick person.

07:55:20 Doug Misicko: Comicbooks that glorify the very deed.

07:55:24 Shane Bugbee: ...of child molestation? Doug, it's hard to talk to you when I can't see you. I don't know when you're going to say anything.

07:55:32 Doug Misicko: All right.

07:55:33 Shane Bugbee: I know you don't give a fuck.

07:55:35 Amy Bugbee: Should I hang up on him...?

07:55:37 Shane Bugbee: You will no... fuck that prick. [To Doug] You'll give a fuck when I throw a bottle at your head.

07:55:41 Doug Misicko: Still got the knife.

07:55:43 Shane Bugbee: I don't give a fuck.

07:55:45 Doug Misicko: Still the knife fight.

07:55:47 Shane Bugbee: I got three knives, a gun, and about 150 pounds on you. I'm taking you down to Chinatown, buddy.

07:55:51 Doug Misicko: You're supposed to have a caller on the phone, too.

07:55:54 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well...

07:55:55 Doug Misicko: Who the fuck is this guy?

07:55:56 Shane Bugbee: Your mom's not in. She promised to call.

07:56:00 Doug Misicko: That's right. She's sleeping. It's 9 a.m. where she's at.

07:56:07 Shane Bugbee: you know what we're gonna do? Is our buddy with the gun in his hand...

07:56:12 Amy Bugbee: He's still on.

07:56:14 Shane Bugbee: What's Hart Fisher's phone number? Oh, yeah, you know, this is the one thing I think Richard said I couldn't do.

07:56:21 Amy Bugbee: What's that?

07:56:22 Doug Misicko: Well, there you go.

07:56:23 Shane Bugbee: Give someone's number out over the air.

07:56:25 Doug Misicko: Oh, well, can you...

07:56:31 Amy Bugbee: Should I, uh, hang up?

07:56:31 Shane Bugbee: No. Hart Fisher. He lives in California. me see. All right. Don't tell rich I gave you this number 323-256-15... you ever hear the abbreviation for Heil Hitler? Okay, I'm not giving you a Hart Fisher's number now, I'm just telling you Nazi sign 88 It stands for Heil Hitler. That could be the last two numbers of hearts number. I don't know, because it's sort of blurry on this page. But 88, 323-256-15... you guessed the last two numbers. Could be eighty-eight. I don't know.

07:57:15 Amy Bugbee: You guess that on your own.

07:57:17 Shane Bugbee: Guess, it.

07:57:17 Doug Misicko: Yeah, go for it.

07:57:18 Shane Bugbee: I guess it and call him. He's a punk.

07:57:21 Doug Misicko: Leave him a long message.

07:57:24 Shane Bugbee: He's a Jew punk. Jew-boy.

07:57:28 Amy Bugbee: Should we...

07:57:29 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, hang up. Oh, well.

07:57:32 Amy Bugbee: We'll give him a couple minutes. We could try back.

07:57:36 Shane Bugbee: Give him a couple. Nothing.

07:57:39 Amy Bugbee: It is two hours earlier in California.

07:57:43 Doug Misicko: You know what time it was gonna be, didn't he?

07:57:45 Shane Bugbee: Oh, give me a break. I told everyone my time. I don't care about their time.

07:57:51 Amy Bugbee: Six o'clock there.

07:57:53 Shane Bugbee: That's great. He goes to bed about four or five. I said stay up. There's no good reason for not working. You hear me "Got my gun" Whatever. Big Fat gun whatever it is.

07:58:07 Amy Bugbee: His gun is bigger.

07:58:09 Shane Bugbee: Whoa.

07:58:09 Doug Misicko: Bigger than what?

07:58:14 Amy Bugbee: ...Bigger than Jesus.

07:58:16 Shane Bugbee: Whoa, whoa. Well, no calls. Let's- let's make some prank calls.

4-1-1 Prank Call

07:58:24 Amy Bugbee: All right!

07:58:27 Shane Bugbee: Who we calling first, Doug?

07:58:31 Doug Misicko: Let's see. Who's this?

07:58:36 Shane Bugbee: 4-1-1

07:58:37 Doug Misicko: All right.

07:58:41 Automated 4-1-1: I'm sorry. You must first dial a one or zero and an area code when calling.

07:58:48 Shane Bugbee: You ever hear the word "trainwreck"? Well it's happening right now. It's 1000 car pileup I can see.

07:58:58 Amy Bugbee: It is only gonna get worse. ... Come on dead air, people, dead air. Is the video playing?

07:59:11 Automated 4-1-1: FCC directory assistance for local and nationwide numbers.

07:59:14 Operator: In what city please?

07:59:19 Amy Bugbee: Hammond, Indiana.

07:59:21 Operator: Hammond?

07:59:21 Amy Bugbee: Yes.

07:59:22 Operator: Okay.

07:59:23 Amy Bugbee: I'm looking for the Church of Satan.

07:59:29 Operator: Say it again.

07:59:31 Amy Bugbee: The Church of Satan.

07:59:37 Operator: I'm sorry. There is nothing listed.

07:59:39 Amy Bugbee: How do you how are you spelling that?

07:59:42 Caller: Pardon me?

07:59:43 Shane Bugbee: How are you spelling that?

07:59:45 Caller: I was checking the common spelling of Satan.

07:59:53 Shane Bugbee: S-T-A, wait, S-A-T-I-N?

07:59:55 Operator: No, that spells satin. Satan is S-A-T-A-N, I'm sorry. I've nothing for Satan.

07:59:59 Shane Bugbee: How about "church of satin?"

Hour 9

08:00:01 Caller: Pardon me?

08:00:03 Amy Bugbee: Anything for the church of satin?

08:00:08 Shane Bugbee: Hello?

08:00:09 Caller: I'm checking, one moment please.

08:00:11 Shane Bugbee: What are you checking?

08:00:12 Caller: The name that you gave me.

08:00:14 Shane Bugbee: Oh.

08:00:15 Doug Misicko: Was it house of satin?

08:00:18 Shane Bugbee: I'm just tired. Is this speakerphone you can't hear us?

08:00:23 Caller: It's a very poor connection. I'm sorry.

08:00:27 Shane Bugbee: Are you saying I'm poor?

08:00:29 Caller: Pardon me?

08:00:30 Shane Bugbee: Did you say I have no money?

08:00:32 Caller: Sir, I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry.

08:00:35 Doug Misicko: She called you a whore.

08:00:36 Shane Bugbee: Didn't you just say, we had a poor connection.

08:00:38 Caller: Yes I did.

08:00:40 Shane Bugbee: Are you inferring that I have no money?

08:00:42 Caller: Sir, I'm sorry. I'll let, please hold for the supervisor.

08:00:45 Doug Misicko: Oh, here comes the supervisor. Oh, she cut the supervisor.

08:00:50 Shane Bugbee: That was no fun. You weren't saying the fucking thing guy.

08:00:53 Doug Misicko: I was waiting for the supervisors. I was waiting for the big guns. Yeah, I was gonna back your ass up when they start pitting you against the wall.

08:01:01 Shane Bugbee: Listen, to Doug doesn't say a thing. I'm sick of talking.

08:01:06 Doug Misicko: I didn't want to give up the game.

08:01:06 Shane Bugbee: Maybe no one else... Amy's crocheting a blanket so she can go back to sleep. Doug is sleeping and wiping his boogers on the wall. It's fucking gross.

08:01:16 Amy Bugbee: No, I'm actually splicing together all the different pieces of my turntable belt in hopes that it may actually work.

08:01:25 Shane Bugbee: Why don't you just go get a rubber band from the basement?

08:01:27 Amy Bugbee: I could do that too.

08:01:32 Shane Bugbee: Well I don't know what the hell we're gonna do now. We have how many hours left? It's eight. So we have 12-16 hours left.

08:01:45 Amy Bugbee: It'll fly by.

08:01:46 Shane Bugbee: Hey, do you have that iron butterfly album?

08:01:51 Amy Bugbee: Maybe we should just play that sleep CD over and over.

08:01:55 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. You know, I think we're gonna play. We're gonna play...

08:02:03 Amy Bugbee: Sonic Attack. Sonic Attack.

08:02:05 Shane Bugbee: No, we're gonna play... we're not gonna play that. Whoa. We're gonna play. What?

08:02:16 Amy Bugbee: What's happening?

08:02:17 Shane Bugbee: Okay, say goodbye, kids. We're gonna play this interview. This is an interview with Doug with his black friend. The black Avenger. Doug and the Black Avenger are like two peas in a pod.

08:02:32 Doug Misicko: We're tight.

08:02:32 Shane Bugbee: Wait till you hear this. Good night. I mean, good morning.

Doug "Mesner" Interview w/ Ken Hamblin

08:02:37 Ken Hamblin: Doug Mesner. He's an illustrator for the new release of the book Might is Right. And it's a, it's a reprint after... Well, I think the reason the original came out 100 years ago. And this is a reprint. And it was written in 1886 by Ragnar Redbeard. Might is Right, and it's considered, it's considered to be a literary dynomight by those people who have read it, and I'm not exactly sure what they mean when they say literary dynamite. But we'll find out. Please welcome, Doug Mesner. Hey, Doug. Hi, how are you? I'm doing good. Good. I don't know Might is Right brain today in our politically correct country that I guess the title alone would make for an automatic collusion of some kind.

08:03:34 Doug Misicko: But I think the philosophy is gaining momentum today, we find the closest thing I saw on your website that would come close to the philosophy is an article on racial discrimination plain and simple. Where you were calling for equality around the board in basically, right is right consents a kind of hypocritical egalitarianism that everybody standard fall by their own merit is an anti-christ, anti-communist, anti-capitalist, anti-anarchist Manifesto. In the final analysis, excellent arguments, power and force, determine the fate of human affairs.

08:04:20 Ken Hamblin: I'm curious which article you might have seen on my webpage because it can be convenient. My computer is not up right now. And I don't recollect the article that you're referring to. Can you help me a little bit with that?

08:04:34 Doug Misicko: You were against giving point systems to minorities?

08:04:39 Ken Hamblin: Okay. Yeah.

08:04:40 Doug Misicko: Simply on the grounds that they're minorities?

08:04:41 Ken Hamblin: Yeah. Okay, it sounded okay. I know what you're talking about. Now, it sounded as though you were saying I supported that.

08:04:49 Doug Misicko: Oh, no, no, the oposite.

08:04:51 Ken Hamblin: All right. Well, no, okay, then we're on the same page. Life is not fair. All men are not created equal. And life. If you think it's bad as a colored guy in Harlem, try being a colored guy in in Botswana.

08:05:04 Doug Misicko: Exactly. Just as some guys will never get laid by a supermodel because they're ugly, some guys will never- will never create the new [unintelligible] because they're not very smart.

08:05:17 Ken Hamblin: Your the only person I've ever spoken to I'm doing and I'm not shining you on. And you're the only other person I've ever spoken to who acknowledges the fact that it's really grim if you're an ugly person, and there are a lot of- physically ugly, I don't care how nice you are in your soul. There are physically other people out there. And we kind of don't talk about that. I mean, ugly people don't get jobs on TV. Nobody gets up and gives them a seat on a crowded bus. If you're ugly- You know, according to the phonetic alphabet, it's Tango Sierra.

08:05:50 Doug Misicko: More and more people are willing to face the fact, so we're gonna have a lot of people and a lot of discussion on Radio Free Satan.com, I'm talking...

08:05:58 Ken Hamblin: Tell me about Radio Free Satan.

08:06:02 Doug Misicko: We're doing a 24 hour live broadcast, to promote Might is Right, which is coming out on September 11. We're gonna we're gonna have a lot of different guests. I don't want to say who is or isn't coming, because I'm not sure what is...

08:06:17 Ken Hamblin: Okay, if things go- if things go well, for you, who are some of the people you might anticipate?

08:06:24 Doug Misicko: Some of the people we might anticipate?

08:06:26 Ken Hamblin: Yeah, yeah, I mean, without locking anyone in or putting egg on your face. I mean, who do you hope will show up?

08:06:32 Doug Misicko: WelI I know we've asked Glenn Danzig, Michael Moore, some of the...

08:06:40 Ken Hamblin: Michael Moore? The the left wing, egg-suckin', dumb liberal.

08:06:44 Doug Misicko: Correct.

08:06:45 Ken Hamblin: What's Michael Moore gonna bring to this conversation?

08:06:48 Doug Misicko: Oh, we don't know. We've got all ends of the spectrum. We've also got, we've also had Tom Metzger, who is the head of a certain faction of Neo-Nazis, today.

08:06:58 Ken Hamblin: Yeah. Yeah.

08:06:59 Doug Misicko: So we're exploring all ends of it.

08:07:02 Ken Hamblin: You know, I can find. I can. I mean, it's almost, I guess it's predictable what both of them are going to say. Well, are you being attacked by any Christian groups, saying that you shouldn't be allowed to do this thing?

08:07:17 Doug Misicko: And I haven't gotten a whole lot of that, yet. But it might be predictable when it comes out.

08:07:25 Ken Hamblin: Give me some examples of where might is right. For instance, I think it's better to live in a powerful country with nuclear long range capability (i.e. the United States in 2003) than it is to to to live in Chad.

08:07:42 Doug Misicko: Sure. Can I read an excerpt from Might is Right? That about sums it up.

08:07:47 Ken Hamblin: Yeah. And I've never... How come I've never seen or heard of Might is Right? A 100 year old publication, I'm still I'm fairly literate.

08:07:56 Doug Misicko: Right? Well, I think people kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak, after World War Two.

08:08:03 Ken Hamblin: Okay.

08:08:03 Doug Misicko: Ideas like eugenics and social Darwinism. They thre wout everything positive that we could have possibly gained from those along with it.

08:08:12 Ken Hamblin: Well, eugenics is, I would think eugenics is a world apart from whatever the philosophy of Might is Right is about. Or does it- Or does it tie in by saying, "Might is right, because I have the power and you're subhuman" or what?

08:08:28 Doug Misicko: No... Not exactly, I mean, the book takes an anti-totalitarian stances in place- in places, but I think sometimes you have to choose what your brand of totalitarianism is going to be. I mean, right now, we might live in what you would call a mob rule. And we're becoming overpopulated. There are no rules against breeding. And I don't think there should be rules, perhaps, on real generalized racial grounds like they were doing in Nazi Germany, but perhaps just merely on qualification grounds.

08:09:02 Ken Hamblin: Give an example of- illustrate qualification grounds for me. Can you help me understand that, what do you say?

08:09:07 Doug Misicko: ell, I think at a very basic level, fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, that should never happen. And if it does that should never happen more than once.

08:09:15 Ken Hamblin: Okay, question. Quick question. Are you suggesting that people be tested genetically to be sure they don't bring ugly children into the world?

08:09:24 Doug Misicko: I'm not saying that...

08:09:26 Ken Hamblin: I'm saying ugly children. I think that if you've got a gene that is recessive, and you're going to have an ugly kid and you're tested, you shouldn't breed. Now, I mean, what does that make me?

08:09:37 Doug Misicko: I'm not sure. But I'm thinking more along the lines of parental qualifications.

08:09:41 Ken Hamblin: How about about a person with a low IQ, who is not likely to be able to give a child the quality of husbanding that is necessary for the competitiveness of the 21st century?

08:09:55 Doug Misicko: I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.

08:09:59 Ken Hamblin: Alright. You want to read an excerpt from Might is Right to help me better understand?

08:10:08 Doug Misicko: Sure. The supreme law but what power made itself upon what rational authority does the gospel God read, even possible a practice that would result from a universal interpretation at

08:10:18 Doug Misicko: The repairs Why should I not hate my enemies and hunt them down like the wild nice that they are? Again I ask why? If I love them because they're not placed me at their mercy, it natural for me to do good unto each other. Good morning buddies. bedspreads shots at random blend from random. Are we not all predatory animals by instinct, the human sees only from preying upon each other because they continue to continue to love your enemies and he and despitefully use you will despicable philosophies as Daniel carries on.

08:10:54 Ken Hamblin: Okay, now I think I get a good idea there. Well, the whole Cornerstone foundation of Christian theology is to love thy neighbor, love thine enemy, turn the other cheek. And I don't want to get into a train wreck with that and the things that people believe. But I think a classic example that would support your argument, all the philosophy, from the pages of mine is right, is the current Donnybrook that exist between us and our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan, Osama Bin Ladin, Saddam Hussein, and God only knows what the dispatches from Iraq will say this evening. How many GIs have been killed during our conversation? This conversation because of our enemies out there? So?

08:11:46 Doug Misicko: Sure, well, I'm sure the readers of might is right, who will support the war in Iraq and ther're readers of might is right, who will be against the one I read. But it's interesting to see what people make of might is right. Some people read it. And they feel victimized. They feel it's against them. It's an immense psychological test and have on your coffee table. And they'll feel empowered by it.

08:12:06 Ken Hamblin: I was talking to someone a moment ago, and this person said that they were non denominational in their politics, and I responded by saying Be that as it may everything, there are two consistencies in this world. Everything in this life is numeric and political. And you can't get around that. And I guess, I guess you'd have to be a far right. Eggs fucking dog crybaby, turning the other cheek liberal to believe that somehow if the United States were a weaker, it would be a better world.

08:12:46 Doug Misicko: Alright, well, like I said, the the overall arguement that my is right next to that is ultimately force, it's ultimately power.

08:12:53 Ken Hamblin: Well, I understand that. But I understand that that's what it says. And I'm sure there's there's parts of it that I agree with. And I would imagine they're parts that I disagree with. But the bottom line essentially is America the way some detractors of America would like to sell it to us on the nightly news, being a weaker country will not make it a safer world.

08:13:15 Doug Misicko: Exactly. Ken Hamblin: Well, I understand that. But I understand that that's what it says. And I'm sure there's there's parts of it that I agree with. And I would imagine they're parts that I disagree with. But the bottom line essentially is America the way some detractors of America would like to sell it to us on the nightly news, being a weaker country will not make it a safer world.

08:13:15 Doug Misicko: Exactly.

08:13:16 Ken Hamblin: Now, that may that may, that may belly right up to what was written 100 years ago on the pages of might is right, how can be the worst copy of this? I'll tell you what, hold on a moment, Doug, I've got a break. And we'll come right back. And we can tell people again, I want to go ahead and promote your radio show. Upcoming radio show and I want... How do you get a copy of this book? I'm curious, is there Can you read any part and parcel of it on the internet? And do you have a site on the net? Okay, so we'll find out all about that. Doug Messner is who I'm talking with and he'll tell you more about the upcoming broadcasts. He's an illustrator for the new publication or the republishing of this 100 year old Might is Right on can 1 800 462 6479...

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08:18:07 Ken Hamblin: Might is Right is an indisputable truth in the schoolyard of life. Doug, why haven't I heard about this book? Is it because I lead a sheltered life or not too literate, or what?

08:18:25 Doug Misicko: No, it hasn't been it hasn't been in significant print for a long time. Now this is a this is a momentous republication of it. It's going to have a foreword by Church of Satan, founder Anton LaVey, and it's got illustrations, of course by myself, which if I do say, look splendid.

08:18:45 Ken Hamblin: Why, why? Why? Why am Tom Levey as opposed to maybe the pope?

08:18:52 Doug Misicko: Oh because Anton LaVey adhered most soundly to the to what was prescribed within the pages of mine is right. In fact, he took excerpts of miters right and included them into his own Satanic Bible.

08:19:05 Ken Hamblin: Yeah, but does...

08:19:06 Doug Misicko: ...assimilated that into his Church's philosophy.

08:19:08 Ken Hamblin: But doesn't that lend to the to the argument that might is right is basically a Satanist philosophy, position stance, whatever. I mean,... Doug Misicko: ...assimilated that into his Church's philosophy.

08:19:08 Ken Hamblin: But doesn't that lend to the to the argument that might is right is basically a Satanist philosophy, position stance, whatever. I mean,...

08:19:15 Doug Misicko: That would depend on how you define satanist or satanic person. Ken Hamblin: But doesn't that lend to the to the argument that might is right is basically a Satanist philosophy, position stance, whatever. I mean,...

08:19:25 Doug Misicko: That would depend on how you define satanist or satanic person.

08:19:29 Ken Hamblin: I don't know i don't i don't want to define it. I want to deal with the stereotypes as it's applied to it.

08:19:34 Doug Misicko: Sure. I mean, if that's how you want to look at it, so be it. I mean, in my mind, Anton LaVey is the only one who defined Satanism. He's the only one who made it a workable philosophy. The only real Satanism.

08:19:46 Ken Hamblin: Well, Jerry Falwell defined Satanism too. And a lot of people believe in Satan. They believe in the devil. They believe in angels, they believe in God. So, I mean, it would seem to me that the argument of might being right would be a non-sectarian argument. If you are, if you are Spartacus, who manages to free himself from the Roman arena after being kicked & pumled for decades, and you get a sword in your hand. can be very easily understood why you will make the argument that might is right. Doug Misicko: Sure. I mean, if that's how you want to look at it, so be it. I mean, in my mind, Anton LaVey is the only one who defined Satanism. He's the only one who made it a workable philosophy. The only real Satanism.

08:19:46 Ken Hamblin: Well, Jerry Falwell defined Satanism too. And a lot of people believe in Satan. They believe in the devil. They believe in angels, they believe in God. So, I mean, it would seem to me that the argument of might being right would be a non-sectarian argument. If you are, if you are Spartacus, who manages to free himself from the Roman arena after being kicked & pumled for decades, and you get a sword in your hand. can be very easily understood why you will make the argument that might is right.

08:20:22 Doug Misicko: Exactly, and the whole, the whole philosophy that Anton espouse follows along those lines entirely. I mean, you don't have to call yourself a Satanist to appreciate Might is Right, certainly.

08:20:35 Ken Hamblin: Well, I guess, I guess I'm just thinking that if you would have put Adolf Hitler's forward to Might is Right? It would change the book to the point that would make it totally unpalatable to a lot of people, myself included.

08:20:49 Doug Misicko: Oh, absolutely. I mean, I'm sure Anton LaVey will make it unpalatable to certain people to me, it will make the book I have a great respect for what Anton LaVey wrote...

08:20:59 Ken Hamblin: Before we run out of time here, go ahead and tell people when they find your website, and again promote the upcoming broadcast. I'm sure it'll be fascinating.

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08:21:22 Doug Misicko: It's live backwards. See there you go again, evil now. Howabout www something you aught to know.com you know what I mean?

08:21:23 See there you go again, evil now. Howabout www something you aught to know.com you know what I mean?

08:21:23 Ken Hamblin: Yeah, okay tuche. Go ahead...

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08:21:43 Doug Misicko: For the book?

08:21:44 Ken Hamblin: No the broadcast.

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08:22:06 Will you go to church after the broadcast?

08:22:08 Doug Misicko: I don't think so... Will you go to church after the broadcast?

08:22:08 Doug Misicko: I don't think so...

08:22:10 Ken Hamblin: All right now, are you are you? Are you a Satanist? The devil worshiper? I mean, I just just for the record, I'm curious.

08:22:20 Doug Misicko: I recommend that anybody would check on Church of Satan.com to to see what the Church of Satan is really about. Because it's not really about devil worship. It's not about Deity worship. It's more of Nietzsche and philosophy, ego building.

08:22:35 Ken Hamblin: Okay, but you see you you pull the Satan stuff around and evil stuff around it. You know, I remember getting fired once I worked at a place called Williamsburg steel products, and it was a Jewish concern. And they made door jams for Otis Elevator. And I was reading Mein Kaumf. And I was told not to read it. I was told to put it away. Well, that was totally unacceptable to me. I continued to read the book and I lost my job. Okay. Now, that didn't make me an anti-Semite. And I don't have an axe to grind. A lot of people have numbers tattooed on the inside of their arm. But it but I'm saying it, there's a certain blockage here. He would want people to learn more about this book, this philosophy. It's a learning experience, which is what Mein was about. Anyway, listen, Doug. The hourglass is traveling with both good luck with it. I'll check you out. And maybe we'll have you back to see how it went. Okay.

08:23:31 Doug Misicko: Thank you very much.

08:23:32 Ken Hamblin: All right, my friend, ciao.

Suicide Hotline Prank Call

08:23:33 Suicide Hotline: Okay?

08:23:53 Doug Misicko: I don't want to go to work. I'm gonna hurt somebody or I'm gonna hurt myself.

08:23:59 Suicide Hotline: What's the problem sir?

08:24:03 Doug Misicko: Well, I'm worthless.

08:24:08 Suicide Hotline: Okay, so what- what's making you feel like that?

08:24:12 Doug Misicko: I just am, I haven't done shit with my life. I don't go anywhere. I don't do anything. I never get laid. It's a travesty.

08:24:21 Suicide Hotline: But where do you work?

08:24:23 Doug Misicko: So, where do you work?

08:24:25 Suicide Hotline: Um, hm.

08:24:25 Doug Misicko: I work in motherfucking McDonald's. 28 years old and I'm working in McDonald's.

08:24:35 Suicide Hotline: Well, there's some people older than that working at McDonald's. There's nothing wrong with that.

08:24:39 Doug Misicko: Ah, there's plenty wrong with that. You know, the other day somebody took a shit and smeared it on the walls. They made me clean it up. They told me if I didn't want to clean it up, go ahead and leave.

08:24:48 Suicide Hotline: Oh, really? They did that in the bathroom.

08:24:51 Doug Misicko: Yeah, they did. Some sick prick smeared it all over the walls, went to town.

08:24:55 Suicide Hotline: Uh...

08:24:57 Doug Misicko: I know.

08:24:58 Suicide Hotline: That's not too good.

08:25:00 Doug Misicko: Nah, they treat me like shit. I'm better than that.

08:25:05 Suicide Hotline: Oh, definitely. But you just stay there until you can get something better.

08:25:09 Doug Misicko: Or maybe I'm not better than that. You know.

08:25:12 Suicide Hotline: It's gonna- it may take a little time, sir, but you can still— hold on, hold on a moment.

08:25:16 Doug Misicko: Hold on a moment?

08:25:20 Shane Bugbee: Suicide Hotline put you on hold.

08:25:24 Doug Misicko: What kind of loser does that make me?

08:25:28 Shane Bugbee: [whispering] They are probably tracing the call...

08:25:31 Doug Misicko: [whispering] Oh, they probably are... tracing the fucking call.

08:25:31 Suicide Hotline: Okay? No, you just use it. Just Just stay there until you find something better. That's all I'm saying.

08:25:42 Doug Misicko: There's nothing better for me. Maybe it's best....

08:25:44 Suicide Hotline: But you have to go look and it's not gonna come to you. You have to go looking for something better.

08:25:49 Doug Misicko: But I'm tired. I can't take it anymore.

08:25:53 Suicide Hotline: Sir, you're only 20 years of age, right?

08:25:55 Doug Misicko: Twenty-EIGHT..

08:25:56 Suicide Hotline: Twenty-eight. Okay.

08:25:58 Doug Misicko: When I was 20, maybe I could, I could mop somebody's mess off the floor. Maybe I could tolerate it then. But this is going too far.

08:26:08 Suicide Hotline: Are you looking for anything better?

08:26:12 Doug Misicko: I'm looking for a woman. Somebody who understands. Maybe it's not so wrong for somebody to destroy themselves when they feel that's the right thing to do. We got all these people walking around. They're not good for anything. They're not doing anything. They're not making any progress. I think if more people thought like me, the world would be a better place. A little less populated, that's for sure. Maybe people won't go out so often be such assholes, smear shit all over the walls, for fuck sakes. You know what I'm saying?

08:26:46 Suicide Hotline: But yeah, that is bad.

08:26:48 Doug Misicko: That is bad. What are these people thinking? I mean, do you think it's ever right for somebody to kill themselves?

08:26:57 Suicide Hotline: No, it's not. I don't.

08:26:58 Doug Misicko: Never?

08:27:00 Suicide Hotline: No. There's no reason for that.

08:27:02 Doug Misicko: I mean, one of the serial killer before he went out and killed people. What if he killed himself first? I mean, wouldn't that be right?

08:27:11 Suicide Hotline: I don't know you, you, you... I don't agree with that.

08:27:14 Doug Misicko: I'm not saying I'm gonna do that. But, I mean, it's not always the wrong thing, I'm thinking. I mean, nobody would have complained if Hitler and killed himself. nobody complained when... what's his nuts? Himmler! Run for the border got caught by the British, pops his cyanide pill. I mean, ... I mean, if he's run for the border and call the suicide hotline would they have told him you know, hold on, dude. It's alright. I don't think so. That's all right. I'm not Himmler either. You know what I'm saying?

08:27:47 Suicide Hotline: I understand.

08:27:48 Doug Misicko: Yeah. I'm just saying it might not always be wrong. ... So you're with me on this?

08:27:55 Suicide Hotline: Okay.

08:27:56 Doug Misicko: I mean, if you ever told anybody that that would be all right?

08:28:00 Suicide Hotline: No, never have.

08:28:02 Doug Misicko: See? Then what's it good for? You know, I mean, if you're just gonna tell EVERYBODY that they're okay and worthy of life. I mean, shit. I mean, because they're not all I mean, you should encourage some of these people towards it. I'm thinking.

08:28:14 Suicide Hotline: So negative, you're too negative.

08:28:17 Doug Misicko: I'm not really being negative and being positive. I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people, especially type people a smear shit on the walls.

08:28:31 Suicide Hotline: That was a that was a bad incident that happened. And I'm sorry that it happened. And you had to clean it up.

08:28:38 Doug Misicko: I'm sure you had nothing to do with it. Am I right?

08:28:40 Suicide Hotline: I beg your pardon?

08:28:41 Doug Misicko: I'm sure you had nothing to do with it. Right?

08:28:43 Suicide Hotline: Oh, I'm not saying that. It's just something that happened.

08:28:47 Doug Misicko: All right. Yeah, it sure did.

08:28:49 Suicide Hotline: You know, I mean, someone would have to do it. I'm just sorry that it had to be you.

08:28:57 Doug Misicko: Who else would have done it? I mean, maybe it's my lot in life. Maybe I'm- maybe I'm a LOSER.

08:29:05 Suicide Hotline: Okay, now you putting yourself down. Is that what you're trying to do?

08:29:09 Doug Misicko: I'm not trying to I mean, that's that's the way of the world at this point.

08:29:13 Suicide Hotline: No, mmnmm, no, no, only thing I can suggest to you is that you try to get something better. You know, but it's, it's there... it's a good thing. You You have a job. Period. You know, I mean, you got a lot of seniors that work at McDonald's. You know, there's nothing wrong with it. It's, it's good clean employment.

08:29:38 Doug Misicko: So, you know, do me a favor if a guy ever called in and said something like, I was at McDonald's, and I took a shit and I smeared it all over the walls for somebody else to clean up and I'm thinking of killing myself. You tell them, go for it, man. You take that knife and you cut yourself up. You bleed yourself to death you- you- you gut yourself, do whatever you got to do, but just get out of here. Don't you think?

08:30:04 Suicide Hotline: No, sir.

08:30:07 Doug Misicko: I mean, if somebody is...

08:30:08 Suicide Hotline: Something made them do it. I don't know what it is. And I'm not going to sit back and try to speculate as to why they did it.

08:30:15 Doug Misicko: Right.

08:30:16 Suicide Hotline: You know, But you know, it wasn't you know, it wasn't dealing with a full deck, to have done that.

08:30:24 Doug Misicko: Oh shit. Here comes my dad.

08:30:26 Shane Bugbee: Who the fuck are you on the phone with?

08:30:27 Doug Misicko: I- just back off.

08:30:30 Shane Bugbee: I told you not to use the goddamn phone.

08:30:33 Doug Misicko: It's a friend of mine.

08:30:35 Shane Bugbee: Get out. Get out. Get out. [muffled screams] Goodbye. Whoever you are. [end call] Doug you're funny motherfucker. Now that was funny.

Suicide Prank Call recap

08:30:51 Doug Misicko: Probably gonna get a call back.

08:30:54 Shane Bugbee: Now the police are gonna come by.

08:30:55 Doug Misicko: I know I'm suspicious that you put us on hold for a little while.

08:30:59 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Thanks, Doug. Gonna come in so we won't have to...

08:31:04 Amy Bugbee: The phone is ringing.

08:31:07 Shane Bugbee: Answer it. Amy you answer.

08:31:12 Caller: Hello, may I speak with the person who manages your telephone service?

08:31:16 Amy Bugbee: There's no one here right now.

08:31:18 Shane Bugbee: I do. I managed to stick it up my ass.

08:31:24 Caller: Sir when will of person be there this available to speak with?

08:31:28 Shane Bugbee: There's a person here right now and it's me. I stick the phone up my ass.

08:31:35 Caller: Thank you for your time, sir.

08:31:36 Shane Bugbee: I smell it afterwards.

08:31:40 Amy Bugbee: I guess that's one way to deal with telemarketers.

08:31:44 Doug Misicko: You sure that was a telemarketer? I mean, they could have been in relation to the call. You never know.

08:31:50 Shane Bugbee: That's great. At least they know we're pranking? You know, anyone knocks on the door. Don't answer. Good thing I've mirrored Ooh...

08:32:02 Doug Misicko: I never came here. I'm still in Detroit.

08:32:04 Shane Bugbee: I have mirrored windows. So no one can see in. That'd be great. I could take photos of the cops looking in the window. I'm taking this drape off. Alright, keep talking. Snap photos of em, not open the door.

08:32:22 Doug Misicko: Shit.

08:32:23 Amy Bugbee: They'll break down the door with one of those big sticks.

08:32:26 Doug Misicko: We can see the common man passing by...

08:32:29 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. We have a commuter train right across the street. We get to watch the schmucks. I'll go to work every morning.

08:32:37 Shane Bugbee: Alls I knows all we do is say I don't know who it was some guy called. We don't know nothing.

08:32:42 Doug Misicko: Yeah, the neighbors use electricity. They plug in the phone jack, what can you do? There goes a train. goddamn.

08:32:51 Amy Bugbee: The floor stakes when the trains go by.

08:32:53 Shane Bugbee: Oh shit, dude, that's nothing. Nothing.

08:32:56 Doug Misicko: I couldn't believe it.

08:32:57 Shane Bugbee: See this?

08:33:00 Doug Misicko: I mean, I hit a good point. And I would tell everybody to not commit suicide?

08:33:04 Shane Bugbee: ...of course.

08:33:08 Doug Misicko: Let's face the facts, what good is your advice or she's gonna give the same advice to everybody.

08:33:12 Shane Bugbee: Oh, that was funny. The Suicide Hotline put you on hold. That was the classic. I hear that in comedians, and they did it.

08:33:20 Amy Bugbee: She really wasn't all that helpful. I mean, she really seemed to be encouraging you.

08:33:25 Shane Bugbee: All I could say is go get a better job.

08:33:28 Doug Misicko: I think she was flipping through the Rolodex for little shit to say that could be on a T shirt. You're too negative. Thanks.

08:33:36 Shane Bugbee: Are you trying to put yourself down?

08:33:38 Doug Misicko: Yeah. Is that what you're trying to do? She wanted to get to the bottom of this.

08:33:45 Shane Bugbee: Man, I'll tell you please show up. You get the fuck out and walk out there and talk to em.

08:33:53 Amy Bugbee: Well, I think I've taped back together the old turntable band so we can...

08:33:58 Shane Bugbee: Oh is it playing?

08:33:59 Amy Bugbee: No, it could play though.

08:34:01 Shane Bugbee: Is it on there now?

08:34:02 Amy Bugbee: Yeah.

08:34:03 Shane Bugbee: Oh. The minute I goddamn do something, it's gotta go.

08:34:09 Amy Bugbee: Sorry.

08:34:11 Shane Bugbee: You will be.

08:34:13 Amy Bugbee: Shane's getting grumpy.

08:34:17 Shane Bugbee: Everyone quit talking. Oh, keep talking.

08:34:20 Doug Misicko: Are we getting some listener response, there?

08:34:25 Amy Bugbee: Na, there's no one listening. I don't even care...

08:34:28 Shane Bugbee: You know what the bitch of it is. You know, no one got that prank call on tape.

08:34:32 Doug Misicko: Yep, you know, don't think rich got that?

08:34:36 Shane Bugbee: I think which is fuckin us right now. I don't even think we're broadcasting anyway. I think he's playing with our head. It was him was about six usernames email us or whatever it was.

08:34:48 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

08:34:51 Shane Bugbee: That's what I think.

08:34:55 Doug Misicko: Because that prank call suitable for replay.

08:34:58 Amy Bugbee: Absolutely. She was not very encouraging.

08:35:03 Doug Misicko: No, she makes me want to go kill myself. I mean, it was a prank before and now...

08:35:09 Amy Bugbee: Now you're seriously considering ending it all?

08:35:10 Doug Misicko: Call a crisis hotline and put me on hold. She's probably laughing with her buddies over there right now. About I had to clean up shit. Failing equipment.

08:35:30 Shane Bugbee: Amy just keeps going.

08:35:32 Doug Misicko: Studio is falling apart.

08:35:35 Shane Bugbee: This is good radio for Amy. Working on working on her turntable on the air. She's gonna start, you know, doing other work crocheting a sweater...

08:35:45 Amy Bugbee: I've had the turntable for a good 15 years I just haven't used it in the last five or so. So I guess the band isn't working.

08:35:53 Shane Bugbee: Anyone out there with a band, like a rock band. Come on down.

08:36:01 Amy Bugbee: Well, what are you gonna do?

08:36:02 Shane Bugbee: Let's start badmouthing people like Laszlo, what's that graveyard theater prick doing?

08:36:06 Amy Bugbee: That loser!

08:36:08 Doug Misicko: I don't know. Laszlo. Alright, explain me. Who you're talking about.

08:36:14 Shane Bugbee: We're gonna have a gentleman from Graveyard Theatre in. And this punk. Nah, I'm joking. I'm half joking. But he had every reason not to come in in the morning. I gotta come in at night. I can't come in in the morning. I can't get a ride. Can someone pick me up? It's like, damn. You know? I can't understand it. It's work. In his shop, he's from Hammond. So you think you want to get out of here? Okay. I ended up here and I'm working double time to get out. Okay. Double time. Someday I'll rent you this place. Laszlo. I'll be a slumlord. I aspire to be a slumlord.

08:37:02 Doug Misicko: Shit.

08:37:03 Amy Bugbee: Well, someone liked your crank call on the yell. Oh group. They said I'm laughing my ass off the crank calls roll me and my friend do this and record it. We're gonna put out a CD sometime soon for local yokels. I fucking love it. The Suicide Hotline probably had a script.

08:37:26 Doug Misicko: Probably had a script? Who had a script? We didn't have one. Oh, yeah, they did and it was a shitty script too. Your negative. Okay. You can't tell that to anybody who calls a suicide hotline. I called her shit though. She says that everybody and she tells everybody not to kill themselves. It's a point.

08:37:48 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Are you trying to put yourself down? Now all you're doing is putting yourself down.

08:37:56 Doug Misicko: That call wasn't good enough, was it?

08:37:58 Shane Bugbee: Whe almost agreed to you about the Hitler stuff.

08:38:01 Doug Misicko: Everybody Everybody comes together on Hitler.

08:38:05 Amy Bugbee: Did she say Hitler should have committed suicide?

08:38:07 Shane Bugbee: No, she what she sort of had on a sigh pause.

08:38:10 Doug Misicko: I don't know sir. That really threw off her script I bet.

08:38:19 Amy Bugbee: I would imagine.

08:38:20 Shane Bugbee: So this guy who does prank calls on the chat room? Does what he What does he think the odds are that the police will show up?

08:38:28 Doug Misicko: Yeah, what are the odds? You ever done something like that?

08:38:33 Amy Bugbee: Let's see. Well, he's not in the chat room is on the like the message board and it's I'm having some problems with the 'ol message board.

08:38:43 Shane Bugbee: The old gray matter? No sleep? I'm having some problems with the old noggin too. I can't wait till tonight when we have real guests. And we have to talk to them and be like...

08:38:55 Amy Bugbee: We won't even be able to put sentences together. Alright, let's see. I'll try again to post something he said he tried to call. Let's see if... Shane Bugbee: The old gray matter? No sleep? I'm having some problems with the old noggin too. I can't wait till tonight when we have real guests. And we have to talk to them and be like...

08:38:55 Amy Bugbee: We won't even be able to put sentences together. Alright, let's see. I'll try again to post something he said he tried to call. Let's see if...

08:39:07 Shane Bugbee: Well, we don't want to calls.

08:39:09 Amy Bugbee: Well I know, I was sounding...

08:39:10 Shane Bugbee: Hey, why don't you try to make a prank call to us, bitch!

08:39:13 Doug Misicko: ...sounding a bit cerebral, even to myself on the Ken Hamblin interview, so I know I'm tired. Oh, yeah.

08:39:20 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, he's calling the voicemail number, which is fine.

08:39:23 Shane Bugbee: What do you mean? Your cerebral?

08:39:26 Doug Misicko: I was sounding brainy.

08:39:32 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, you know we can knock that out of you with a brick. My friends. Let me turn your mic off and just talk at you for a second. You like that. Doug. You've been censored.

08:39:47 Doug Misicko: Fuckin', john ashcroft. Little bit Ashcroft, right here at home.

08:39:56 Amy Bugbee: So here we are. What are we gonna do, now?

08:39:59 Shane Bugbee: You know what we're gonna do?

08:40:02 Amy Bugbee: Donuts. If you're in Hammond said donuts.

08:40:05 Shane Bugbee: Oh, my God. Amy's gone nuts. If you're in hammond and you can pick us up a turntable at some donuts (and some ice) we will shake your hand. And free t-shirt.

08:40:21 Doug Misicko: We'll interview you as "the common man".

08:40:24 Shane Bugbee: And Doug will tell you the secret behind his missing eye. It doesn't tell anyone.

08:40:32 Doug Misicko: Never told anybody.

08:40:33 Shane Bugbee: He never told anybody but he will tell you it whispered in your ear. But if you say it, he'll take yours. I'll take your eye. He'll take it. I've seen him do it for fucking shits and grins.

08:40:45 Doug Misicko: It's happened before.

08:40:47 Shane Bugbee: Well, we're gonna play a song.

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08:59:41 Amy Bugbee: Are we back? Are we back now? All right. Well, I want to point out that the message board on Radio Free Satan I can't seem to post anything on it. So it's not that I'm ignoring people. Now time for a live read of this exciting commercial. Show the world what you're made of, with an official Church of Satan t shirt. Get them in red or black with a loud and proud baphomet emblazoned on the front. Order yours today for it and inside. Check it out. dub, dub dub.

Hour 10

09:01:02 Doug Misicko: Stop being such an asshole. That made me feel really good.

09:01::06 Shane Bugbee: Oh, wait, you know, we were just on.

09:01::1 Amy Bugbee: Oh, we're just on now? Okay, things are happening. Is that what you told me?

09:01::19 Shane Bugbee: No, you're live read was on. I turned on the music.

09:01::23 Amy Bugbee: Okay.

09:01::24 Shane Bugbee: I didn't use this.

09:01::30 Amy Bugbee: Okay, so we're back on?

09:01::32 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. So tell that interesting story again and act like you only said it once.

09:01::36 Doug Misicko: Which I can't even remember what we're talking about now. Lost the train of thought again. There's your drinking game.

09:01::48 Shane Bugbee: You're talking about that prank call?

09:01::51 Doug Misicko: Oh, yeah. And how much better I felt after talking to her.

09:01::57 Shane Bugbee: That was a funny one, wasn't it?

09:01::59 Amy Bugbee: She was really enthusiastic.

09:02:02 Doug Misicko: She wasn't helpful at all. I think if I was suicidal, I'd still be suicidal. When she told me I was negative, and I could go get a better job if I looked. I appreciate that, though. That's how they should go about it. I just think they should encourage more people to suicide.

09:02:22 Amy Bugbee: Well...

09:02:23 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, you know, and if you are interested in killing yourself, you can call our toll free info line. It's 877-302-3387. And that's the toll-free voicemail. We care. So you should leave a message.

09:02:45 Doug Misicko: Yeah, we'll tell you how negative you are. Or where you can find a job.

09:02:53 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, exactly. fuckin pricks.

09:02:56 Amy Bugbee: The worst part was she said she wouldn't encourage the shit spreader to kill themselves.

09:03:02 Doug Misicko: She wouldn't encourage anybody to kill themselves. She got close with Hitler, though. As best she would do me.

09:03:13 Amy Bugbee: So what kind of stuff? Do we have to keep people tuned in all the rest of the day, some of our guests maybe we should say?

09:03:19 Shane Bugbee: No, I was thinking we'd all take a nap put the mics under our nose and they could listen to us snore for a couple hours. Wadya think?

09:03:27 Doug Misicko: That's not bad.

09:03:29 Shane Bugbee: You know? We were gonna ask you some questions about who you are.

09:03:33 Amy Bugbee: Me?

09:03:33 Shane Bugbee: Yes. Besides my beautiful wife. You're also a dirty whore. I mean, a whore of horror. You go by the handle whore of horror. And you do a website called TV is God. I know Doug was interested in asking you a question or two.

09:03:52 Amy Bugbee: Oh, really Doug?

09:03:53 Doug Misicko: I was interested in asking you a question or two. I didn't realize you were married to Shane.

09:03:59 Amy Bugbee: Really?

09:04:00 Doug Misicko: Yeah. I thought you were the common man we pulled off the street to interview. Explain the basis of TVs God. Amy Bugbee: Really?

09:04:00 Doug Misicko: Yeah. I thought you were the common man we pulled off the street to interview. Explain the basis of TVs God.

09:04:08 Amy Bugbee: Well, TVs God is the true the truest religion that exists today because everyone watches television. If they don't watch television, they they don't. Yeah, they use their computer, the computers, the the offspring of the television. You know, we have anti TV groups come after us all the time. But they have websites. You know, they have emails how anti TV is that? They're still staring at a screen. TV is the Savior. How long does this website been in operation? Wow. About a year and why did David Spade sue you? Because he's a no talent loser.

09:04:58 Doug Misicko: What the lawyers write on the paperwork.

09:05:02 Amy Bugbee: Oh, I was harassing and libelous and torturing him. They said I was torturing him because his that movie Dickey Roberts former child star was actually ever come out It just came out like this last week. And you can actually read my article about it on a babble.com. Better viewed through Netscape. But anyway, so Shane and I were listening to Howard Stern one morning. And David Spade was on there talking about this movie that he was he had just finished filming about a former child star. He's going on and on about how he had all these former child stars. And he's like, oh, there's this cool scene where we're all sitting around playing poker. And it's me and Todd bridges and Aaron Moran. And Shane and I flipped because there's a movie that we have a copy of that was never released. That duty to nuda put out. But it was written by the guy who wrote Meet the Parents called Deus desperation Boulevard, where she's a former child star. And there's a scene in the movie where she's playing poker with Aaron Moran and Dana Plato, and Adam West and some other people. But Dana Plato died before the movie got picked up and so that nobody wanted to touch it, I think. So David Spade figured it was a Easy, easy steal. So I called him on it. And next thing I knew his attorneys were sending me threatening letters never went beyond that. They started threatening my mother and my sister. And finally their studio musti got ahold of the duty to new to movie because the letter stats coming. And his movie got pushed back and most of it reshot. And so what was initially a $14 million movie became a $20 million dollar movie and I think it made how much at the box office Shane? Did we did we hear opening $7 million. So I think that's it for David Spade. Yeah, he wasn't shit to begin with. He's a loser.

09:07:20 Shane Bugbee: But more interesting. That's what's up with the whore of horror website. Whoreofhorror.com.

09:07:28 Amy Bugbee: Nothing right now.

09:07:30 Shane Bugbee: It'll be up by Halloween, though, right?

09:07:31 Amy Bugbee: Oh, yeah.

09:07:32 Shane Bugbee: Doing a big party on Halloween or something like that, right?

09:07:35 Amy Bugbee: Yep. It's in the works. We're having a big horror of horror unveiling party with lots of horrors.

09:07:41 Doug Misicko: You gonna have hairy bikers eating out strippers again?

09:07:44 Amy Bugbee: Whatever it takes.

09:07:47 Doug Misicko: Because that was the highlight of last Halloween. I tell you. You guys had some hairy focker eating out a stripper. Nobody knows where she had been. And he was proud of himself.

09:07:59 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. That's good stuff.

09:08:01 Doug Misicko: And I said to your brother. I said to Lance I said, Can you believe that guy ate out the stripper? And he said, Oh, yeah, I was gonna do it too. But like, she laughed or something like that. He wanted to do it.

09:08:14 Shane Bugbee: Who doesn't?

09:08:15 Doug Misicko: He want to eat out a stripper? Right?

09:08:17 Shane Bugbee: You know, he brought a guy who passed out and and we drew all over his face. Your other friend. God rest his soul. He tried to steal a fucking dildo from me.

09:08:30 Doug Misicko: Right, right. He's...

09:08:32 Amy Bugbee: Nice friends.

09:08:33 Doug Misicko: He's in heaven, now.

09:08:35 Shane Bugbee: I'd like to know how he knew where that dildo'd been.

09:08:38 Doug Misicko: Yeah, that's true. I mean, we tried to get him to eat out the stripper too.

09:08:43 Amy Bugbee: Well, that strippers driver told us it was her sixth or seventh party of that evening.

09:08:50 Doug Misicko: He was a...

09:08:51 Shane Bugbee: I got a picture. I did a day go doing whipped cream shot on her nipple. So I do them with honey Hellfire. And I do it I've got this look on the website or the picture. Like I don't like nipples. But the fact is, there's hand lotion under there. So it's like I put a bar soap and mouth.

09:09:14 Doug Misicko: Well, on our way back, I was the only one sober. We had come from Detroit, to the party and in Chicago. And then after the party, we're heading back. So we were fucking hardcore. But, you know, one guy had passed out throughout the whole thing. Murphy there was out cold in a stand. He was drunk as fuck. And he was passed out in the car too. So I was driving in. We're not even through Indiana. We're not even past Gary. When Stanton starts saying, you got to pull over. And I said, Alright, so I pulled over because I don't want him fucking puke and in the car. And we pull over and he sitting there. I told him, we'll get out of the car, do your puking. And he said, You was alright. He could wait for a gas station and said Why do you want to wait for a gas station? We're here right now. And he said and he was serious. He said that it was beneath his dignity to get out there and puke at this side of the road in the ditch. So he stays in the car and we're driving. I thought he'd be asleep for the rest of the trip. And we get to some gas station in botvac, Indiana somewhere. And there's a cheese there. It's it's passed Gary. And it was old people old people in minivans and there's two old ladies working behind the counter. And we come out of the car. And you know, my one friend comes out and his face is vandalized, because when he passed out, we started drawing on with permanent marker he's got drawn on these balls. He's got a dick drawn on the back of his head. 666. Who did this is Doug, Doug handed out the marker here. One of my friends. happens every party. Anyways, the locals are getting a little nervous. They saw our appearance, and then to make things better. Stanton falls halfway out of the car, he doesn't even get out of the car, he falls halfway out and he starts puking a river. It's all over the place. People are disgusted. Me and Murphy start laughing start snapping pictures. And these people are thinking this guy is going to die and we're laughing and snapping pictures. And it was beneath his dignity to puke at the side of the road. But it wasn't beneath his dignity to fall halfway out of the car and puke in front of a crowd of people. And leave a goddamn puddle of the shit at a gas station. Indiana. I have pictures of that. I'm gonna have to put that on one of the websites.

09:11:52 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, we'll put that up on evil now in the next couple of years.

09:11:56 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

09:11:57 Shane Bugbee: Once you get that might is right.

09:11:58 Doug Misicko: Start waiting Gerod.

09:11:59 Shane Bugbee: You'll be getting that might is right the next six months and we'll have pictures of them.

09:12:03 Doug Misicko: I hope Gerod mark his calendar.

09:12:05 Amy Bugbee: We had pictures from the Halloween party up on your website. Are they still up there on evil now?

09:12:10 Shane Bugbee: Na.

09:12:12 Amy Bugbee: Good old Halloween at our house.

09:12:17 Shane Bugbee: Well, we're really here to sell might is right books. The book is out today. We're shipping them as soon as the customs clears them. And you should buy one right now. Today if you buy Might is Right book off of evil now I'm given buy one get one free. That's right. I'm crazy. But I'm telling you, it's only I'm giving that one away. So they'll give it to one of their friends. Like that guy who doesn't work that called in. Maybe his friend of buy one and send him one. And then maybe he'll decide to kill himself.

09:12:54 Doug Misicko: That's if he gets the money from his mom who gets the money from his grandfather.

09:12:58 Shane Bugbee: Listen, the only ones getting money from his mom is me. Okay, and he knows what's up. You know what your mom is? Don't you.

09:13:07 Doug Misicko: ...wonder if he ever got his nodoz.

09:13:09 Amy Bugbee: He did. He said on the message board. He had just gotten back a little while ago.

09:13:16 Shane Bugbee: I think those are fake emails anyway.

09:13:18 Amy Bugbee: It's all rich.

09:13:19 Shane Bugbee: It's all Rich. You know that guy runnin' Radio Free Satan it's just for him. He's got it piped into every room. Yeah, these are my fools dancing for me. Rich, why don't you get out of bed? Amy Bugbee: It's all rich.

09:13:19 Shane Bugbee: It's all Rich. You know that guy runnin' Radio Free Satan it's just for him. He's got it piped into every room. Yeah, these are my fools dancing for me. Rich, why don't you get out of bed?

09:13:35 Amy Bugbee: Ya, lazy slug.

09:13:37 Shane Bugbee: Oh, that came from Amy. Fucking lazy slug. We're up 24 hours and you're laying there. Hopefully you recorded some of that stuff that Doug did the brilliant prank call. Keep banging on the table, motherfucker. I'm gonna stab you in the other eye.

09:13:58 Doug Misicko: I forgot. I forgot how much sound these pick up.

09:14:02 Shane Bugbee: Doug forgets he's on the radio. He just looks into the on the ceiling. The mic like this? Oh, yeah. Well, I was talking over here. And I have, Doug over here. Hi.

09:14:13 Doug Misicko: I nod my head and shake my head and response.

09:14:15 Shane Bugbee: Kneeing Bob, what?

09:14:16 Doug Misicko: Nobody knows what the fuck I'm doing.

09:14:18 Amy Bugbee: That's just a typical visit with us because we never shut up when we have company.

09:14:23 Shane Bugbee: That's right. If you were here, we'd be showing you our vacation slides.

09:14:28 Amy Bugbee: I was trying to show your girlfriend our working on the house photos.

09:14:32 Shane Bugbee: I was trying to show your girlfriend. Oh shhhh.

09:14:36 Amy Bugbee: Yeah. Hey, what's this about some girl orgasming last night Shane. Huh?

09:14:41 Shane Bugbee: I don't know what you're talking about.

09:14:43 Amy Bugbee: I took a nap. What the hell happened?

09:14:44 Doug Misicko: Nobody had orgasm in your last night. Amy Bugbee: I took a nap. What the hell happened?

09:14:44 Doug Misicko: Nobody had orgasm in your last night.

09:14:45 Amy Bugbee: What the hell was going on here?

09:14:47 Doug Misicko: I'm not sure I took a nap. Belly down. Woke up. I'm unable to hold my mud.

09:14:53 Shane Bugbee: Who are you hearing that from?

09:14:54 Amy Bugbee: It was on the message board.

09:14:56 Shane Bugbee: Like a Satanist is gonna tell the truth.

09:14:59 Amy Bugbee: What the fuck is going on motherfucker.

09:15:03 Shane Bugbee: You know me.

09:15:04 Doug Misicko: They worship the prince of lies.

09:15:05 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. You got a line of them. You're bringing in here as soon as I go take a nap for an hour. Well, she better be dead in the basement. That's all I have to say.

09:15:19 Doug Misicko: Where you store the Jews?

09:15:20 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. The Jews and the hookers. We Shane's grandmother recently had open heart surgery. So we sacrificed three hookers for so she could live.

09:15:36 Doug Misicko: Nice.

09:15:37 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, maybe Shane'll play that interview later

09:15:39 Shane Bugbee: and a fourth that Doug'll die. We're holding Doug's artwork so if he passes away in the next couple of days. We're golden. Paying off this book. Okay, Doug, I don't know where that artwork is.

09:15:54 Doug Misicko: I wonder what's in my drink.

09:15:57 Amy Bugbee: Don't you wonder.

09:16:00 Doug Misicko: Yes, I don't.

09:16:05 Amy Bugbee: So, what are we doing now Shane? You got music you're gonna play? What are we doing?

09:16:11 Shane Bugbee: I have no plans. I've just said. This is not for entertainment purposes. This is an endurance thing just to see if we can stay up 24 hours and say absolutely nothing. Sort of. Seinfeld-ish. We're about nothing here.

09:16:27 Amy Bugbee: Well, in a little bit. We're going to try all heart Fisher again, see if he's rolled out of bed, right?

09:16:32 Shane Bugbee: Fart Jewboy. Now we're gonna call Jeff Gaither, I thought.

09:16:36 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, good old Jeff Gaither.

09:16:38 Shane Bugbee: Jeff Gaither, I just slapped Doug, okay. So shut up. We got to do is get a rack of ribs and just...

09:16:51 Doug Misicko: Beat on em.

09:16:52 Shane Bugbee: Exactly that's what you know, we wanted to get someone to be a some slave out here. Listen, this I sent out I got a good one. I send out an email to all these dungeons and stuff, right? hookers. One email I get back is from Darlene or something. Right? says I'm a 52 year old transexual. And I said Do you have any I said, You know what? You come down here and beat my friend Doug. Baby.

09:17:20 Doug Misicko: No. She said no. Or it said no.

09:17:26 Amy Bugbee: She's on her way.

09:17:27 Shane Bugbee: Well, Doug... We've got a surprise behind that door. I thought it might be fun. We get this 52 year old lady walking in here, C'mere Doug, get over my lap.

09:17:41 Amy Bugbee: But she doesn't beat, she Spanks.

09:17:44 Doug Misicko: Oh.

09:17:46 Amy Bugbee: She was adamant about clarifying that.

09:17:51 Doug Misicko: Why?

09:17:52 Amy Bugbee: I don't know.

09:17:52 Doug Misicko: Is there a real distinction? There's a separate market for each of those?

09:17:58 Amy Bugbee: I suppose. There's a market for everything.

09:18:04 Doug Misicko: You should call her back on the phone and tell her what's a beating and what's the spanking? I bet you most listeners could tell us.

09:18:11 Shane Bugbee: I don't want her on the phone. I want her standing next to you as she tells me. That's it.

09:18:17 Doug Misicko: Okay.

09:18:22 Shane Bugbee: All right. Well, this song I'm gonna play for Amy. What can it be and for the whore of horror, this is for this song.

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09:21:50 Amy Bugbee: Wow thank you for that great song Shane. One of my favorite Venom songs ever.

09:21:55 Shane Bugbee: Well yeah it fits you perfect. You live your life that way.

09:22:00 Amy Bugbee: Your so gay.

09:22:01 Shane Bugbee: I know I'm married to you, you are the whore of horror, and people should check out that website around Halloween Amy's a really good horror writer Believe it or not. It's such a shocking name it might seem, but she's just out to shock. but...

09:22:21 Amy Bugbee: Well my Alter Ego "General Amy" has some articles up at Babel.com.

09:22:30 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. So people can check that stuff up.

09:22:33 Amy Bugbee: That's right. Good ol' Babel. So we're gonna call Jeff Gaither, artist exordinare.

09:22:43 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, we're gonna call Jeff Gaither a whore- artist, you go to GaitherGraphix.com. And graphics, I think he spells it with an x at the end. It's just amazing artwork. I've always loved it. He's done a lot of our work. He did one with Exploited. I know that. Let's see here. We're gonna play a commercial. And then we're going to talk to Jeff Gaither. Okay. So we'll be right back. We'll be- no, now-

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Michael Moore Speech

09:32:56 Host: Here's a poster boy for Ralph Lauren. He is the son My mother wanted to have. He is the man who is responsible for the most successful documentary in the history of film. I give you I give you Michael Moore.

09:33:32 Michael Moore: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you last week in what they call a debate. I think the moderator Jim Ware, summed it all up for me in the very first line that he uttered. And it was the greeting to the two candidates and I want to read to you what he said from the transcript. Welcome, Governor Bush and welcome Vice President Bush. I mean, Gore. That pretty much summed it up for me right there. Unbelievable. They agreed with each other I kept track. They agreed with each other a total of 32 times but he said I agree with you are I support you 32 times. Where's the debate? I mean, they loved each other so much. I support the death penalty. I support the death penalty. I support NAFTA. I support NAFTA. I support WTO. I support WTO. I thought there was gonna happen at some moment there. Thier heads were just gonna explode from all the "whoa"s in the room. All that was missing. All that was missing from the debate other than Ralph Nader was at the end, and maybe they could do it this week at the end for Gore to go over there. And plant one of those big Tipper tongue kisses on George Bush. That's what I'd like to see. Kiss me! I love you, man. You know... I know Ralph wants to be at the debate this week, but I wish I could just be there on that panel. You know, because I got a few questions I'd like to ask. And, I think you'd like to ask these questions also. here's here's one of them. In this week, Rolling Stone Al Franken points out how George W. Bush is proud of the fact that he is able to name all 55 members of his fraternity from his Yale class of 1968. He's very proud of this fact. And the question that should be asked of George W. Bush, at the debate on Tuesday night is Governor Bush, could you name for us, the last 55 people you executed? Do you know their names? Who are they? These human beings. You know, we have at Mount Rushmore chiseled in stone four president presidents that we claim to admire so much Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson and Theodore Roosevelt. And isn't it strange that these four presidents are held in such reverence by the American people that each of them rejected the two party system, each of them think about this, Abraham Lincoln, one is a third party candidate, Jefferson, one in a three way race. George Washington didn't even belong to a party at parties. And Theodore Roosevelt was so disgusted with the two party system, he started his own third party and beat the republican he came in second place over William Howard Taft, where we caught them in our history, but they hated the tea party system. They knew it was correct. And they knew it was evil. You know, if I could just take a minute to talk to those of you who came tonight. Because you like Ralph, and you agree with what he stands for. But you're afraid that George W. Bush might be elected President of the United States. And I can't say how many people have said this to me. Now, we know that there's a lot of our friends out there who feel that George W. Bush, and I think we can agree with him, that would be a horrific event if he became president of the United States. Here's the thing that I gotta I gotta say, and I really want to, I really want to say this to the young people here who are voting for the first time. If you don't vote your conscience, now, when will you start? When will you start to follow your person is at the age of 18, or 19, or 20 years old. In this very first election of your life, you decide to settle for less. How has that moved us forward? We're at the place we're at because we have struggled for so less for so long. If we keep settling, it's only going to get worse. the lesser of two evils, you still end up with evil, you still end up with evil. We're being asked to choose the second worst candidate. That's what this is about, isn't it? The second word you know, this country never would have gotten to where it was. If people have behaved that way. The founding mothers and founding fathers of this country. What if they said, Oh, I'm afraid I'm afraid of King George. You know, I, we have a revolution here, we might get a worse King. Oh, my, I guess we shouldn't have a revolution because we can't win. We can't win, well can't win, well can't win. Well can't win. How many times have we heard this? What if Rosa Parks and said we're so the only person on this bus, I can't win. The only reason we have moved forward is because the people you know, make a decision based in fear. Make your decision based on your hopes, and your dreams and your aspirations and your content. because let me tell you, and I just want to close on this. If you live your life, if you start your life now at 18 or 20 or 25 years old, your adult life already getting in already compromising already holding your nose and turning your head the other way. What kind of life are you going to have a life that's filled with compromise, and you'll end up in jobs that you don't want to be in. And you'll turn your head the other way. When you see something going wrong. That shouldn't be happening. And you start to live your life in fear. I've got to stay I've got to do this. Because I've got to pay off the college loan. I've got to pay for my health care. I've got it in the system grips you by the neck and puts a boot to your head. And are you participate in that if you start now in your first election by going and following your content, handsome curry has some courage and some hope. Follow your conscience. Do the right thing. Do the right thing. Thank you very much. Thank you.

09:44:00 Caller: Hey, what the fuck is going on? I'll back after I get my nodoz.

09:44:04 Canned Audio: [music]

09:53:48 Amy Bugbee: All right, it's Amy Bugbee back here at Radio Free Satan. We've pirated the station until midnight tonight on our live 9/11 broadcast. And I'm here with Shane Bugbee. My husband and Doug Messner, who did the illustrations for Might is Right, our new edition if you're just joining us. Um, let's see, we heard Michael Moore talking at the Ralph Nader super rally at Madison Square Garden. And we heard some boos of George Bush's fans as his limo drove by, and then sinise destroyer 666. So, oh, the phone is ringing.

Called by Collections

09:54:37 Hello.

09:54:38 Aquanetta: Hello. Is this Lion's Font?

09:54:41 Amy Bugbee: Who's calling?

09:54:42 Aquanetta: This is Auqunetta.

09:54:45 Shane Bugbee: Okay, it is. What do you need?

09:54:47 Aquanetta: Yes, I'm actually calling in regards to the SBC at Illinois bill that's in collections for $174.44.

09:54:55 Shane Bugbee: What if I don't have any money to pay the bill?

09:54:57 Aquanetta: What?

09:54:58 Suicide Hotline: What if I don't have money?

09:54:59 Aquanetta: Well, I understand. I've been there before. I understand that.

09:55:05 Doug Misicko: She's been here before?

09:55:07 Aquanetta: But huh?

09:55:08 Shane Bugbee: You've been here?

09:55:09 Aquanetta: Yeah, but why I didn't have any money. I got laid off my job last year. I was out of work for seven months.

09:55:16 Doug Misicko: I don't remember that, I don't remember asking you for any money.

09:55:19 Shane Bugbee: What do I do then?

09:55:21 Aquanetta: Okay, what? What can I do to help you get this amount out of collections?

09:55:26 Shane Bugbee: Sell your ass.

09:55:27 Aquanetta: Huh?

09:55:28 Shane Bugbee: I tried everything I was trying to sell my ass.

09:55:32 Aquanetta: Oh, don't... no you don't have to do that.

09:55:35 Doug Misicko: Man can't hold his mud.

09:55:37 Aquanetta: Huh? I could barely hear you, sir.

09:55:41 Shane Bugbee: I'm sorry. Can you hear me any better now?

09:55:43 Aquanetta: Yeah, I can hear you a little better. Yeah. Well, what can I do to help you get this account out of collections?

09:55:52 Shane Bugbee: Pray.

09:55:52 Aquanetta: Pray?

09:55:54 Amy Bugbee: Could we discuss it and give you a call back when we figured out a plan? Maybe we could pay 10 or $20 a month?

09:56:02 Aquanetta: Well, now would you pay that? 10? Or $20? Would you send it over the mail?

09:56:08 Doug Misicko: Yes.

09:56:09 Aquanetta: You could do it like a check by phone or whatever?

09:56:12 Shane Bugbee: Do you have a deposit box at the church?

09:56:15 Aquanetta: I'm sorry.

09:56:17 Shane Bugbee: Me too.

09:56:19 Aquanetta: I can I can barely hear you sound like you're on the intercom.

09:56:22 Doug Misicko: Maybe could fax it to you. You got a fax number? Aquanetta: I can I can barely hear you sound like you're on the intercom.

09:56:22 Doug Misicko: Maybe could fax it to you. You got a fax number?

09:56:25 Amy Bugbee: What's your phone number, Aquanetta? And I'll give you a call back later on today. Or tomorrow?

09:56:32 Aquanetta: Okay, my number is 866. And who am I talking to?

09:56:36 Amy Bugbee: My name is Amy.

09:56:38 Aquanetta: Okay, Amy.

09:56:40 Amy Bugbee: 866

09:56:43 Aquanetta: 578.

09:56:45 Amy Bugbee: Okay.

09:56:47 Aquanetta: 4769.

09:56:50 Amy Bugbee: Is there an extension?

09:56:51 Aquanetta: 3618.

09:56:56 Amy Bugbee: And a reference number?

09:56:57 Aquanetta: Oh, so we've been through this correct?

09:57:01 Amy Bugbee: No, I just I figured there was probably some kind of invoice number or reference number something.

09:57:07 Aquanetta: Okay. 623 6791. Before you hang up, Amy, tell me what I can do to help you get this out of collections.

09:57:15 Amy Bugbee: If I could just work it out to maybe pay 10 or $20 a month, I'm having a hard enough time keeping, you know, keeping my head above water?

09:57:23 Shane Bugbee: Will you take um... We've got a car worth a couple 100 bucks.

09:57:28 Aquanetta: I would take it. But unfortunately, I don't think the company would. If I offer you about $40 off of this. Do you think you could pay this? The amount is $174.44.

09:57:43 Amy Bugbee: How long would we have to pay it? Could I have like two weeks to get the money together?

09:57:48 Aquanetta: Yeah, but the the thing about that is and this is called a settlement, what we would have to do and it's very convenient. And it works for the two of us. Because we do a check by phone for the settlement amount. I can post it on the day that, to kinda help you out. Okay, now should for any reason the money is not available. What you could do is call me and cancel that check. Because what we do is called check-right. Okay. You give me your cheque information, and we print a copy of your check and mail it in. So that means if you give me a check information and the bonds is not there, hold on one second...

09:58:32 Shane Bugbee: That's it?

09:58:32 Amy Bugbee: Ok, ya know I really need to call you back, Aquanetta. Shane Bugbee: That's it?

09:58:35 Shane Bugbee: What am I signing for here? Shane Bugbee: That's it?

09:58:35 Shane Bugbee: That's it?

09:58:38 Delivery: There's only three on there. Shane Bugbee: That's it?

09:58:38 Delivery: There's only three on there.

09:58:39 Amy Bugbee: Sorry about that, you just can't control when those darn bill collectors are calling. But it looks like a UPS delivery from the printer.

09:58:48 Doug Misicko: Seems like there's a problem. Supposed to be more boxes.

09:58:53 Shane Bugbee: Supposed to have it down here yesterday, overnighted.

09:58:55 Amy Bugbee: Well, the might is right has shown up. Finally shown up. It was being held by because we had to have it printed in Canada, because no one else would print it. We were really wondering if it would show up.

09:59:12 Doug Misicko: We're trying to pick up some of the controversy over here right now. Shane's negotiating with the UPS guy.

09:59:22 Shane Bugbee: So customs didn't hold these books? That's nice huh? Nice.

09:59:33 Doug Misicko: Let him see the pictures.

09:59:34 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah.

09:59:38 Doug Misicko: We're checking what the UPS guy thinks of the book.

09:59:42 Shane Bugbee: What do you think of that stuff?

09:59:46 Delivery: No.

09:59:46 Doug Misicko: No!

09:59:48 Delivery: No, a little crazy for me.

09:59:49 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. So what do I do... [discusses tracking numbers] Delivery: No, a little crazy for me.

09:59:49 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. So what do I do... [discusses tracking numbers]

09:59:50 Doug Misicko: Little crazy for him. Fucking simpleton. Apparently it's not all here.

Hour 11

10:00:04 Amy Bugbee: Yes, but we have enough to fill the orders the people have been waiting two years for their books. So this is exciting moment.

10:00:13 Shane Bugbee: We're missing one box.

10:00:14 Doug Misicko: Missing a box.

10:00:15 Shane Bugbee: One box that customs still has. Can you believe that shit? I tell you, they fuck with me. I'll take down a building. I ain't fucking around. I haven't slept. I'm about, Hey, you know what, you know, the Federal Building I went down in Oklahoma. You know that beautiful site? I didn't say before/after okay. But did you know I live in Hammond, Indiana, home of the relocated federal building, and me and my wife got to drive by and see them build a bomb proof building. Of course nothing. You know, there's you know, there's always an opportunity. But they have this building and you should see it. It's mas. It's mostly underground. They have like 15 foot bricks of concrete in front of it. I mean, it's, it's like it's like a pyramid. Oh, I'm not shitting you Doug!

10:01:09 Amy Bugbee: Impenetrable.

10:01:10 Shane Bugbee: Dude. It is amazing when you see it and they have a SWAT team police force behind it. It's fucked up.

10:01:16 Doug Misicko: Bombproof, huh?

10:01:18 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, they say it's been proven in the front where you park a truck. Hint, Hint, nudge, nudge, say no more.

10:01:26 Doug Misicko: They keep SWAT on duty there at all times?

10:01:28 Amy Bugbee: Ya, they have a brand new police station they built behind it. And I mean, Hammond isn't that big of a city yet there is. There's probably 20 black vans parked in back for SWAT. It's insane. So good old federal building.

10:01:46 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah.

10:01:46 Doug Misicko: We gonna call Jeff.

10:01:48 Amy Bugbee: Yep.

10:01:50 Doug Misicko: We're gonna call your buddy Jeff?

10:01:53 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

10:01:54 Amy Bugbee: All right. We tried given Jeff Gaither a call a little while ago, and he said to call back so...

10:01:59 Shane Bugbee: You call that punk motherfucker.

10:02:02 Amy Bugbee: Before aquinnah interrupted us.

10:02:04 Shane Bugbee: Well, I'm gonna tell you Amy he got to talk into the mic, baby. I tell you that every night when we go to bed and everything works out. Okay.

10:02:13 Amy Bugbee: You know, I talk into the mic at night and bed.

10:02:16 Shane Bugbee: Whoa, that sounds great. You keep talking so far away. We can't hear you a lot of times. Sorry. Like, look at. Look at my pecker.

10:02:30 Amy Bugbee: Yeah. All right, here we go. We're gonna dial Jeff Gaither.

10:02:36 Shane Bugbee: Doug, stop looking at my Packer.

10:02:37 Amy Bugbee: He's a great artist. He's done a...

10:02:41 Shane Bugbee: Federal building in downtown Hammond.

10:03:03 Caller: Reach the sprint voice mailbox of 502

10:03:10 Amy Bugbee: Whoops, let's try that again. Maybe Aquanetta is calling Jeff Gaither right now.

10:03:21 Shane Bugbee: Aquanetta you dumb nappyassed bitch. Man, she wouldn't go. You could not fuck with Aquanetta, though. How can I help you get that? I've been there. I've been there. How about you take my car? I would do it and the company won't. She was a goodwill collector as

10:03:38 Caller: Have reached the sprint voicemail

10:03:40 Amy Bugbee: Okay, now he's not taking our call. What's going on?

10:03:45 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Jeff Gaither, we always knew you were fucking negro you fuckface motherfucker I'm gonna break your fucking... Tonight, I break people who draw's fingers. Doug give me a fucking finger.

10:04:02 Doug Misicko: I do have extras.

10:04:05 Shane Bugbee: Doug you draw, you die.

10:04:09 Amy Bugbee: Look at Mark Arminski, he does poster art with no fingers.

10:04:12 Shane Bugbee: Come on let's do some sort of fight with bats or something. We can live through it not knives but just something.

10:04:19 Doug Misicko: Just something sails through the glass...

10:04:22 Amy Bugbee: All right.

10:04:23 Doug Misicko: All right.

10:04:24 Amy Bugbee: We're gonna try Jeff one more time.

10:04:32 It's Hart hour too, like I said. That guy should be...

10:04:40 Shane Bugbee: Fag nigger.

10:04:44 Shane Bugbee: Hart Fisher is now called Fag Nigger.

10:04:46 Caller: You have reached the sprint voicemail Shane Bugbee: Hart Fisher is now called Fag Nigger.

10:04:46 Caller: You have reached the sprint voicemail

10:04:48 Doug Misicko: Well there you go.

10:04:49 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Gaither. You suck. Heart Fisher. Let's give him a call. We're going to see how bad well I know...

10:04:58 Amy Bugbee: How bad people are gonna treat us?

10:05:01 Shane Bugbee: They can treat us bad... Just look like dickheads because they don't do any work. This is work.

10:05:11 Doug Misicko: It's not that early anymore.

10:05:23 Caller: You got the answering machine yet again, at the beat, leave your name number a brief message or send your fax and we will get back to you as soon as humanly possible. Thank you and have a nice day.

10:05:33 Shane Bugbee: You dumb stupid fuck. You mother... You draw You're horrible at drawing. You're horrible at business. You're horrible at most things. The only thing you're good at is working for the people you slave fucking jagoff. Hart Fisher if you don't fucking pick up this phone. We're just... if you ever have a daughter, I'm going to rape her when she's 13, you motherfucker. Caller: You got the answering machine yet again, at the beat, leave your name number a brief message or send your fax and we will get back to you as soon as humanly possible. Thank you and have a nice day.

10:05:33 Shane Bugbee: You dumb stupid fuck. You mother... You draw You're horrible at drawing. You're horrible at business. You're horrible at most things. The only thing you're good at is working for the people you slave fucking jagoff. Hart Fisher if you don't fucking pick up this phone. We're just... if you ever have a daughter, I'm going to rape her when she's 13, you motherfucker.

10:06:14 Amy Bugbee: Our guests are fading pretty quick.

10:06:18 Shane Bugbee: I'm going to rape his daughter. Okay?

10:06:21 Amy Bugbee: Eh, it's not him.

10:06:22 Shane Bugbee: And hey, I'm going to tell you anyone listening. If you have a daughter to rape, you bring her by Amy's handing out blow jobs for donuts and ice.

10:06:32 Amy Bugbee: Yes, I'm offering a free blowjob for anyone who can bring me a band for my turntable and some nice chocolate frosted cake doughnuts. Okay?

10:06:41 Shane Bugbee: And I'm offering a bloody anus for your little daughter if you bring her by, I'll fucking rape that ass up in front of the federal building with a bomb up her cunt, you motherfuckers Okay? So Doug. Doug is quiet sleeping. You bitch. I'll fuck you up. Get that fucking knife. We're gonna have a knife fight now. Come on.

10:07:05 Doug Misicko: Why not.

10:07:08 Amy Bugbee: Shane was asleep just minutes ago.

10:07:15 Doug Misicko: It got the witches of Salem here.

10:07:19 Shane Bugbee: Amy tell him.

10:07:21 Amy Bugbee: Tell him?

10:07:21 Shane Bugbee: Tell him when I play with knives. It's really. Tell him the story about my brother.

10:07:26 Amy Bugbee: Shane was waving a knife at his brother Lance when Lance was over for dinner one night and Lance put up his arm to block it, and Shane put a four inch gash down his...

10:07:36 Shane Bugbee: He's bleeding. I said don't put your hand up like that. I thought he was attacking me. Doug. I'm serious. C'mon. Just one little fight. Come on.

10:07:48 Doug Misicko: Just one little knife fight, huh? What me to call the witches of Salem?

10:08:00 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, all of our guests have jerked us off.

10:08:03 Doug Misicko: Their psychic!

10:08:05 Shane Bugbee: Doug, call 'em. Call 'em. Call 'em.

10:08:09 Doug Misicko: Alright, let's see you see how good they are.

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10:09:24 Shane Bugbee: Let me get one [Credit Card], but I can't say it on the air. You know?

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10:10:24 Shane Bugbee: You know what, we're gonna go to commercial and we're gonna make these calls and then we're gonna fuck you up.

10:10:36 Doug Misicko: Natural selection in modern civilizations and cease to exist. Today we live in a world overpopulated with bottom feeders. The pool is overfilled with the dregs, there is no inherent value on a human life. The value is earned and most people are running a deficit.

10:10:52 Doug Misicko: They're worse than worthless. They're counterproductive. What can be done? www.dysgenics.com.

10:11:15 Pre-record (masc): Damn fine music. cut those eyes. decapitate decapitate. cut those eyes out.

"Prank" Call of Psychic

10:13:28 Doug Misicko: Alright, so you're psychic?

10:13:31 Psychic: I'm an astrology counselor and I read tarot and I use of clairvoyance to see. So you did you have a specific question today? Or do you like a general reading?

10:13:39 Doug Misicko: Oh, just a general reading.

10:13:41 Psychic: Okay, what's the reading we'll do, it will bring up the different areas of your life. And if you have questions as I go along, you know, feel free to ask...

10:13:51 Doug Misicko: You know, love and finances and all that shit?.

10:13:53 Psychic: Yeah. So it'll bring up those areas. So if you have other questions, feel free to ask. But what I'd like you to do is focus and concentrate on your current situation for me.

10:14:04 Doug Misicko: I don't want to have a kid if it's gonna be a retard or anything like that.

10:14:08 Psychic: You don't what?!

10:14:09 Doug Misicko: I don't want to have a kid if it's gonna be a retard or anything like that.

10:14:13 Psychic: I can't understand what you are saying...

10:14:14 Doug Misicko: Well, you know, if I was gonna have a kid, I wouldn't want to be a retard or anything. I need some consultation.

10:14:20 Psychic: Okay, well focus on your current situation for me.

10:14:23 Doug Misicko: Okay. I'm focused. What do you say?

10:14:34 Psychic: Okay, the layout I use is the astrology spread. And this is a circle. And it's divided into 12 houses or 12 areas. And then each house does represents an area of your life. There's a specific area that you want me to start with or don't mean just to go ahead and start.

10:14:54 Doug Misicko: You might as well go for the love.

10:14:56 Psychic: Relationship? Are you in a current relationship?

10:15:00 Doug Misicko: Well, I don't know. You tell me.

10:15:02 Psychic: Okay, well, the seventh house is the area of relationship. I'm just going to lay down a few cards there. And the idea if you are not in a relationship, this is an up and down the road when you're ready to use it.

10:15:15 Doug Misicko: I'm not actually in the guys. I was drunk.

10:15:21 Psychic: Okay...

10:15:22 Doug Misicko: He started that shit up with me. Man, you got right on top of that shit, you know it was up.

10:15:28 Psychic: Well, the idea though, is that in the area of the relationship area. It shows you a strong desire to make changes. And it's very...

10:15:38 Doug Misicko: Whoa, whoa... What do I need to change? I don't want, anybody walking away unsatisfied. I aim to please.

10:15:45 Psychic: Well, the idea that relationship, it shows you moving forward. [BDSM spanking in the background] Huh?

10:15:53 Doug Misicko: No, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

10:15:55 Psychic: Okay. It's like you're not getting stuck in the past or the present, but you're pushing ahead. And it's the idea, [BDSM continues] that type of character that you look to be within a relationship comes up there. And this would be somebody who's very down to earth. To Earth, like maybe Capricorn Taurus, or Virgo type character. You're a Leo.

10:16:18 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

10:16:19 Psychic: Okay. So you see yourself as a Leo, that's [spanking] earth energy. And Leo is very giving, you're very giving to friends, family, a lot of people in your lifetime...

10:16:29 Doug Misicko: Oh, don't beat around the bush, I put out. ...like any opportunity. [spanking and grunting] Sorry.

10:16:37 Psychic: No, you're very giving for others. Basically, you're a giver in this lifetime. And but if anything, you may feel like the giving gets taken advantage of or you may feel like [spanking and grunting] giving, giving giving all the time you do, but it's okay for you to be. But it's not okay for others to take advantage of your generosity. And you may feel like that happens. But yeah, the person in your area of relationship, you know, the type of character Have you met somebody new that you want to move forward with at this point?

10:17:11 Doug Misicko: I meet them all the time. Tell you the truth. I meet all kinds of nice people. Psychic: No, you're very giving for others. Basically, you're a giver in this lifetime. And but if anything, you may feel like the giving gets taken advantage of or you may feel like [spanking and grunting] giving, giving giving all the time you do, but it's okay for you to be. But it's not okay for others to take advantage of your generosity. And you may feel like that happens. But yeah, the person in your area of relationship, you know, the type of character Have you met somebody new that you want to move forward with at this point?

10:17:11 Doug Misicko: I meet them all the time. Tell you the truth. I meet all kinds of nice people.

10:17:17 Psychic: Yeah, you do. Your others will gravitate towards you. Because of the aura energy you're giving off. You're a healer in this lifetime, you help others feel stronger. And it's it's okay to be that way. But I mean, if you want a relationship, you know, free will basically, do whatever you want. You know. But if you choose to be ...

10:17:44 Doug Misicko: What can I do to make other people more giving?

10:17:48 Psychic: You cannot not be a giver. And there's givers and...

10:17:52 Shane Bugbee: You fucking whore, take it! take it! Take it!

10:17:55 Psychic: What?!

10:17:56 Doug Misicko: I don't know. I really don't know. You know, I was drunk. I'm not really into guys. He's here. What can I do? Fuck him... Let's move on. What about finances?

10:18:12 Psychic: Okay, the area of finances. It's just saying to slow down, take it easy...

10:18:17 Shane Bugbee: Hail satan.

10:18:19 Psychic: ...take it easy. Pay attention to details, kind of like you're taking one step at a time, you're gonna have a tendency to worry about different things. And around the finances, and you get to a certain point. And you may be at that point right now, where you feel like you have to make some changes. There can be some disagreement, disappointment, if you're feeling the changes. Now the idea these changes have to be gone through, force change. And so you push forward, and you're realizing that these are changes that you have to make. And it's taking your ideas, fine tuning them, learning as much as you can. And it's a very strong sense of independence. And you move ahead, basically, through these changes, because you're a Leo, you're very strong willed. And you don't like a lot of changes coming in.

10:19:09 Doug Misicko: Well, today is September 11...

10:19:12 Psychic: Yeah.

10:19:13 Doug Misicko: Astrologically, this has to be significant. It was a big travesty. Tragedy,in fact. Are any buildings gonna fall down today?

10:19:25 Psychic: I don't predict that... I mean, I, you know, what I'm seeing is around you. And the idea that you're, you know, moving situations forward.

10:19:34 Doug Misicko: Well, I won't be in a building that collapses.

10:19:37 Psychic: You're asking me that?

10:19:38 Doug Misicko: Right?

10:19:39 Psychic: No.

10:19:39 Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.

10:19:40 Psychic: I don't see that is is what is what you're talking about? No.

10:19:45 Doug Misicko: For 200,000 people, that would have been correct a couple years ago. It's not outrageous.

10:19:51 Psychic: Okay.

10:19:53 Doug Misicko: Alright.

10:19:54 Psychic: You worry about that. I mean, are you concerned?

10:19:57 Doug Misicko: Yeah. When I was a little kid I worried about meteorites too, it might not be logical, but...

10:20:04 Psychic: Well, the idea though, income earned through your work area. And if you're there, which is a sixth house work, daily routine, service to others. And also the idea though, your career would be up in the 10th house, which is your life's dream.

10:20:20 Shane Bugbee: What about Satan's anus?

10:20:22 Doug Misicko: Oh, Jesus. Ah, Christ. It's my dad.

10:20:29 Psychic: Okay, so the work area is showing that you have strong desire to make changes...

10:20:34 Doug Misicko: The joke's on me, isn't it? We're paying 4.99 for the fucking call a minute. The Joke's on me.

10:20:41 Shane Bugbee: You just keep the meter running. You're dirty cunt.

10:20:44 Doug Misicko: We know what you're up to. You're lying to us.

10:20:46 Shane Bugbee: Can we call you names for 4.99 a minute you whore?

10:20:50 Doug Misicko: You sold yourself out.

10:20:51 Shane Bugbee: Cunt. Dirty rotten halfbreed. Look, she just sits on the line like a fucking cab you're sand-nigger bitch.

10:21:07 Amy Bugbee: That was interesting...

10:21:14 Shane Bugbee: It's time for you white motherfuckers to wake up.

Hart Fisher Interview

10:28:21 Hart Fisher: Oh yeah, yeah, we're cool. I'm waking up I'm sitting here naked in front of a computer.

10:28:26 Amy Bugbee: That's good to know. Let's see I think there's a song that's gonna finish up and then we're gonna go to your interview.

10:28:34 Hart Fisher: Alright... How's it going?

10:28:36 Amy Bugbee: We're getting deranged. You know...

10:28:38 Hart Fisher: You're getting... "deranged"?

10:28:41 Amy Bugbee: Deranged. We've got another 14 hours to go...

10:28:48 Hart Fisher: Kooks call you guys up?

10:28:51 Amy Bugbee: What?

10:28:51 Hart Fisher: Any kooks call?

10:28:52 Amy Bugbee: A couple kooks.

10:28:54 Hart Fisher: Now there you go. That's important. Did anybody ever fuck with man cow? After all like the promo killer man cow, today? stuff?

10:29:05 Shane Bugbee: Hart Fisher?

10:29:07 Hart Fisher: Yeah.

10:29:08 Shane Bugbee: Well, you're awake. Are you?

10:29:10 Hart Fisher: Yeah, you... Only you can drag me out of bed.

10:29:13 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Hart. I'm wondering... Is Fisher a Jew name?

10:29:19 Hart Fisher: Not that I'm aware of.

10:29:21 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. I think your a jew.

10:29:25 Hart Fisher: You never know, I'm a big fucking mut. Might be some Jew in the woodpile somewhere, man.

10:29:31 Shane Bugbee: Believe it, I believe it.

10:29:35 Doug Misicko: Look in the mirror. If you're not wearing a stupid frisbee on your head, you're okay.

10:29:40 Hart Fisher: Right now. No, nothing silly on my head no potholders or nothing. What's what the Jew fascination?

10:29:47 Shane Bugbee: I just don't like them.

10:29:50 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah?

10:29:53 Shane Bugbee: I try. I try. I've only found like, The Three Stooges. I like. They're Jews. LaVey was good, I can't think of anyone else. Can you?

10:30:04 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I got a couple of jew friends that I like, that are that are that are a riot. That are funny.

10:30:09 Shane Bugbee: So you'd save him from the showers?

10:30:12 Hart Fisher: There you go. I'll save these guys from the showers. Sure. No fucking problem.

10:30:18 Shane Bugbee: Uh, oh...

10:30:18 Doug Misicko: So tell us what you do.

10:30:21 Hart Fisher: Ah man... I don't know, cause little mischief. Raise a littlel riot. Have a little fun. Movie, porno... whatever brings in the money though.

10:30:30 Doug Misicko: You do porno?

10:30:32 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah.

10:30:33 Doug Misicko: Really? I mean, do you film it? Or do you star in it or what?

10:30:36 Hart Fisher: Write it, direct it, edit it, shoot it, whatever, whatever you know, someone will give me money to do. I'm just a little too shy to get in front of the camera and average guy, so you know I'm no damn good.

10:30:49 Shane Bugbee: So Hart. You'll be at the AVN awards. This year, right?

10:30:53 Hart Fisher: The what awards?

10:30:54 Shane Bugbee: The AVN Awards.

10:30:55 Hart Fisher: I don't know. I might. I might go mostly it's kind of boring and overpriced, so I don't normally go it's mostly just lots of fucking, like a star trek converse... convention, only a little bit worse. Shane Bugbee: The AVN Awards.

10:30:55 Hart Fisher: I don't know. I might. I might go mostly it's kind of boring and overpriced, so I don't normally go it's mostly just lots of fucking, like a star trek converse... convention, only a little bit worse.

10:31:07 Shane Bugbee: I thought that's where all the big directors went.

10:31:09 Doug Misicko: Well, I never been to a Star Trek convention either. So let me know. I mean...

10:31:12 Hart Fisher: Pretty scary, man, it's pretty scary. Forget about the Jews, kill all Star Trek fuckin teckies.

10:31:18 Doug Misicko: Why? What do they do?

10:31:20 Hart Fisher: They're just unbelievably annoying, unreal in the Geekdom world.

10:31:24 Shane Bugbee: Get molested by one? Hart Fisher: They're just unbelievably annoying, unreal in the Geekdom world.

10:31:24 Shane Bugbee: Get molested by one?

10:31:26 Doug Misicko: By a Trekkie?

10:31:27 Shane Bugbee: Yes, a priest, that was a Trekie touched Hart the wrong way.

10:31:31 Hart Fisher: My favorite is, I read about this one group of Trekies where they were raising their kids. And they were teaching them how to speak Klingon, but they weren't teaching the kid English. How fucked is that?

10:31:42 Doug Misicko: They've written books in Klingon. They've translated Shakespeare into Klingon. I shit you not. You can order it

10:31:51 Shane Bugbee: Hart?

10:31:52 Hart Fisher: Yeah.

10:31:53 Doug Misicko: You know, what? Have you seen that? Hart Fisher: Yeah.

10:31:53 Doug Misicko: You know, what? Have you seen that?

10:31:53 Shane Bugbee: Are you there? Doug Misicko: You know, what? Have you seen that?

10:31:53 Doug Misicko: You know, what? Have you seen that?

10:31:56 Hart Fisher: I'm still waking up, man. I haven't had no coffee or nothing.

10:31:59 Doug Misicko: Klingon... Shakespeare written in Klingon? You seen it?

10:32:03 Hart Fisher: I don't speak any Klingon.

10:32:06 Doug Misicko: You know, it's funny. William Shatner was also in a movie that was done entirely in a language called Esperanto.

10:32:12 Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah, I heard about that.

10:32:14 Doug Misicko: Heard about that. Yeah. And that's not even a language either. That was made up and like, there's people who study it and everything else.

10:32:21 Hart Fisher: Yeah, Wasn't that a Satanist movie too. Wasn't it called Incubus or something?

10:32:25 Doug Misicko: It was Incubus, but it's more like a Catholic movie. Really.

10:32:29 Hart Fisher: Right, right.

10:32:30 Doug Misicko: Of course, Satan's the bad guy.

10:32:33 Hart Fisher: Well of course, he's a bad guy. He's the Fall Guy for the chumps.

10:32:37 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Hart.

10:32:38 Hart Fisher: Yeah.

10:32:39 Doug Misicko: Have you seen the artwork that we put in the new edition of Might is Right?

10:32:43 Hart Fisher: I saw a couple of pages up on your website. That what you're talking about?

10:32:48 Shane Bugbee: Give me your critique. I've I've done some Comic Cons with you at Comic Cons. And you were always critiquing the artists so I'd love to hear your critique of that art.

10:32:59 Hart Fisher: I like the Caesar one where he's holding up the head and he's talking about Jesus is like some of them have Christ around once in a while but Caesar is forever. You know what I'm talking about?

10:33:15 Shane Bugbee: So you like the concept?

10:33:17 Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah, you know I mean, it's it's true Darwinianism is the way to fucking go, you know? I mean, look at what's going on now. We're over there killing What? Iraqis for what, their freedom? Fucking bullshit, we're overthere for oil and money and our SUVs.

10:33:30 Shane Bugbee: Hart, don't change the subject. I want to know about this guy's style. Yeah, the artwork, brother. Your eye, want it. You know? Not the brown eye, the eye man.

10:33:44 Hart Fisher: Good, solid. I like his stuff.

10:33:48 Shane Bugbee: Really?

10:33:48 Hart Fisher: Yeah. Not bad at all.

10:33:50 Doug Misicko: I thought he was for shit, but...

10:33:53 Shane Bugbee: It's really killing sales.

10:33:58 Hart Fisher: It's cool. It's got a nice way of putting it.

10:34:02 Doug Misicko: I appreciate that.

10:34:04 Hart Fisher: Why? Who drew it?

10:34:05 Doug Misicko: Yeah, I did. What's that?

10:34:11 Hart Fisher: It's a solid piece of craftsmanship.

10:34:13 Doug Misicko: Thank you. Thank you very much. That's what random people have been telling me when I show it to them.

10:34:19 Hart Fisher: You know, you got to ask them that way. That's the best way to get a real fucking opinion. Otherwise everybody'll fuck your ass.

10:34:25 Shane Bugbee: I'm not happy with it.

10:34:26 Hart Fisher: Oh, you don't like it? Shane Bugbee: I'm not happy with it.

10:34:26 Hart Fisher: Oh, you don't like it?

10:34:28 Shane Bugbee: We used the whole damn thing for the cover. We wanted to trick people and think it was good artwork inside. You know, Doug draws, he only has one eye.

10:34:41 Hart Fisher: Only got one eye?

10:34:42 Shane Bugbee: He's got handicap plates cuz of it.

10:34:46 Amy Bugbee: Do you have handicap plates?

10:34:47 Doug Misicko: Fuck no, geeze... Amy Bugbee: Do you have handicap plates?

10:34:47 Doug Misicko: Fuck no, geeze...

10:34:51 Amy Bugbee: For the good parking spot...

10:34:52 Doug Misicko: How can I get any cap plates for that?

10:34:56 Hart Fisher: I don't think that'll work. My old man's got handicap plates. It's fucking right. He brings them out to LA when he visits

10:35:04 Amy Bugbee: So he doesn't have to look for parking?

10:35:06 Hart Fisher: Yeah, he just wants to park you know, it's kind of funny. I feel goofy as fuck getting out of the car being healthy as hell. He's my old man but you know hey, makes him happy.

10:35:15 Doug Misicko: So are you the guy with the bad luck, or what? I mean or was that the other guy we're gonna call?

10:35:24 Shane Bugbee: Hart, let me tell you. I I filled Doug in on on our relationship and your past and where you came from and the shit you've gone through. So this IS the guy with the bad luck.

10:35:36 Doug Misicko: Okay.

10:35:38 Hart Fisher: Like my immigration lawyer dying, you know, in a motorcycle wreck a month ago?

10:35:44 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. And you know why he needs an immigration lawyer?

10:35:49 Hart Fisher: Use immigration lawyer to make damn good money doing it. He was an Armenian guy.

10:35:53 Shane Bugbee: Hart Fisher marries immigrants for money that's how he makes a living. He doesn't make it off his artwork.

10:36:00 Hart Fisher: Na, that's that's not enough money. Make more money off porn. Porn is rumored to be, right now I'm editing the the what's the Scandal of Nikki Arrows for VCA.

10:36:16 Shane Bugbee: I heard you're also shooting this movie called talking to the mic.

10:36:22 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I should, I should. Well, you know, I have done satanic porn. So I'm very happy to say.

10:36:27 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, who hasn't, Hart? It's very important, you know, very important to get Satan in there and see him as a true you know, bring your light and enlightenment.

10:36:38 Doug Misicko: So that's what made you...

10:36:39 Hart Fisher: Then anal sex, of course.

10:36:42 Doug Misicko: So I was gonna ask what made it Satanic porno, because Satan was in it?

10:36:46 Hart Fisher: Because Satan was in it, and people were selling their soul to Satan for anal.

10:36:52 Shane Bugbee: That's not really Satanic, though.

10:36:54 Doug Misicko: Some people would sell their soul to Satan, to avoid anal.

10:36:58 Hart Fisher: Yeah, you know, sometimes it...

10:37:01 Amy Bugbee: Those fools.

10:37:06 Hart Fisher: How long have you guys been doing the show now? Are you late, how far in your 24 hours are you?

10:37:10 Amy Bugbee: Since midnight.

10:37:12 Hart Fisher: Oh, you started at midnight?

10:37:14 Shane Bugbee: ...for 11 hours.

10:37:15 Hart Fisher: That's not too bad. Essentially.

10:37:16 Shane Bugbee: We're interviewing you, though. You're not getting off the hot seat yet, man.

10:37:22 Hart Fisher: I think my luck is is pretty good. You know, cuz I'm still fucking alive and kicking and kicking out the jams. You know going to print with a book called "sex crimes". It's pretty fucking nasty and bringing more happiness to the world.

10:37:35 Shane Bugbee: Don't you have that gay horror writer Wayne Allyn Sally writing for you?

10:37:41 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah, we've got a new story in the fucking book. It's really perverse and nasty. It's called "in the shank of the night".

10:37:48 Shane Bugbee: Do you like his stuff?

10:37:49 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I like Wayne's stuff a lot. Wayne's a really good fucking writer.

10:37:53 Shane Bugbee: Fuckin' puts me to sleep.

10:37:54 Hart Fisher: Really twisted.

10:37:56 Shane Bugbee: Guy puts me to sleep.

10:37:57 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah?

10:37:59 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

10:37:59 Hart Fisher: You can can't raise everybody's doughnuts off the floor. Right?

10:38:02 Shane Bugbee: I think the only reason he works for you is because you don't pay him.

10:38:08 Hart Fisher: Do you think that's the only reason he works for me? ...because I don't pay him?

10:38:11 Shane Bugbee: Am I right? You don't pay him Hart. Hart Fisher: Do you think that's the only reason he works for me? ...because I don't pay him?

10:38:11 Shane Bugbee: Am I right? You don't pay him Hart.

10:38:13 Hart Fisher: No, I haven't paid Wayne yet and anything but copies of books.

10:38:18 Shane Bugbee: One or two?

10:38:19 Amy Bugbee: Did you have a proposal for a... Shane, Did you have proposal about Wayne, for Hart? That you're gonna pay him 10 bucks? Shane Bugbee: One or two?

10:38:19 Amy Bugbee: Did you have a proposal for a... Shane, Did you have proposal about Wayne, for Hart? That you're gonna pay him 10 bucks?

10:38:28 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah, you know what, Hart. I was thinking, Wayne blew us off this morning. And you don't pay Wayne, to do stories. So next time you think of putting them in? I'll give you 50 bucks not to put them in.

10:38:40 Hart Fisher: Now I'll tell you what. Wayne is actually going to get paid on the "sex crimes" book, because we actually made a profit for once.

10:38:47 Shane Bugbee: Well, I'll pay you double that. So just delete him from your memory.

10:38:52 Hart Fisher: You already tried to get Wayne on the phone, huh?

10:38:55 Shane Bugbee: No, the punk ass pussy fag said he was gonna come down here. And then he gave us the baloney.

10:39:05 Hart Fisher: So did he, did he call or did he show up or what... he didn't make it?

10:39:09 Amy Bugbee: He just emailed and said "oh he has to work or babysit". Or some bullshit.

10:39:15 Shane Bugbee: Listen Hart. You/we know this is work. And he can't get up for work. That's bullshit. You know you do interview six in the morning. four in the morning. You do it you're hustling?

10:39:25 Hart Fisher: Yeah, you know, I'm awake. I crawled out of bed with my my wife. Do this.

10:39:31 Shane Bugbee: Well, you don't only work and you gotta you got a head like a big head. You're egomaniac. You got to, you know, keep doing it.

10:39:38 Hart Fisher: Well, luckily, I have a big enough head and I am an egomaniac enough to to get up early for this.

10:39:44 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

10:39:45 Hart Fisher: You called it, you do it right. You know how to stroke. Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

10:39:45 Hart Fisher: You called it, you do it right. You know how to stroke.

10:39:50 Amy Bugbee: That's Shane for ya. He knows how to stroke a person.

10:39:54 Hart Fisher: Yeah, Mister maker-of-friends, Shane.

10:39:59 Shane Bugbee: So your website's Boneyardpress.com, right?

10:40:01 Hart Fisher: Yeah.

10:40:02 Shane Bugbee: Okay. That's good in the chat rooms. Pretty cool all the time.

10:40:08 Hart Fisher: Yeah, it's full enough. You know, it seems like people chit chat if you start bagging on somebody, but nobody. Nobody seems to really do much in the real world. You know what I'm saying? Like when you try to start recruiting the street army. It's a bunch of talk, not a lot of action.

10:40:23 Amy Bugbee: So is the book "sex crimes" out now? And where is it available?

10:40:26 Hart Fisher: We're going to print with sex crimes right now. So it should be in stores by Halloween. So check your local comic book store and you can order through Barnes and Noble or through you know, borders, books and music. Any outlet like that we're really trying to do is we're trying to get people to, to go to the library and ask the library to get a copy because if you put in a request for a book, generally they'll try to fill it you guys do the same for Might makes Right?

10:40:54 Shane Bugbee: Sure. It's "Might is Right."

10:40:56 Hart Fisher: They should definitely like try to get all the satan fans out there and try to get all the the old MicronComics fans and get them to go to the library and have the government pay for a book. I think that's the way to go.

10:41:12 Shane Bugbee: I don't swallow the Jewish establishment like... No, I'm joking, I'm jokeing.

10:41:16 Hart Fisher: ...I didn't mean to call you a jew, Shane. That's so funny. And money is money. Shane Bugbee: I don't swallow the Jewish establishment like... No, I'm joking, I'm jokeing.

10:41:22 Hart Fisher: ...I didn't mean to call you a jew, Shane. That's so funny. And money is money.

10:41:27 Doug Misicko: So is it fiction stories? Hart Fisher: ...I didn't mean to call you a jew, Shane. That's so funny. And money is money.

10:41:29 Doug Misicko: So is it fiction stories?

10:41:30 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, joking. You know that.

10:41:32 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're all it's all fiction. None of this. None of it's true.

10:41:37 Amy Bugbee: And it's all about sex crimes or just sex.

10:41:39 Hart Fisher: Usually we called up a bunch of different artists. We knew that we're all sick fucks and said, "Hey, we want a story that no one else no one else will publish". You know, a lot of these guys are established writers like David scow and Chris Faus. And they they're like, well, what, what what, what are you looking for, and I'm like, anything that has to do with sex and crime in any way, shape, or form sex and crime and it's got to have like an emotional depth involved. They delivered. I've been real happy all the work in it is totally fucking solid. It's all nasty. A lot of Chicago writers in there too. Amy Bugbee: And it's all about sex crimes or just sex.

10:41:39 Hart Fisher: Usually we called up a bunch of different artists. We knew that we're all sick fucks and said, "Hey, we want a story that no one else no one else will publish". You know, a lot of these guys are established writers like David scow and Chris Faus. And they they're like, well, what, what what, what are you looking for, and I'm like, anything that has to do with sex and crime in any way, shape, or form sex and crime and it's got to have like an emotional depth involved. They delivered. I've been real happy all the work in it is totally fucking solid. It's all nasty. A lot of Chicago writers in there too.

10:42:13 Doug Misicko: Give us a synopsis of your favorite one.

10:42:16 Hart Fisher: My favorite one is by Steven Eliot, who's writer out of Chicago and living in San Francisco now and basically it's about a dude who grows up in group homes and when he gets out, he runs across the guy who used to consistently beat and rape him in prison, you know, in the group home, and he's stocking him & stocking him. And when you think it's all about revenge, it turns out it's not about revenge. He loves this guy. And he thinks that's love and he's trying to get this guy to come back to him. Totally fucked up. That's called Stalking Gracie.

10:42:49 Shane Bugbee: So Hart. What's with you and all the homos?

10:42:53 Hart Fisher: What's with me and all the homos? I know a couple.

10:42:58 Shane Bugbee: Well?

10:42:58 Hart Fisher: Why, just say no to fags. What What can I tell you? Shane Bugbee: Well?

10:42:59 Hart Fisher: Why, just say no to fags. What What can I tell you?

10:43:03 Shane Bugbee: It doesn't sound like it... sounds like yes, this guy's in. Yes. This guy's in.

10:43:07 Doug Misicko: No, I think he said I just say know, the things like k-n-o-w.

10:43:14 Hart Fisher: No, man, you know, I don't give a shit about fags if they want to go fuck some dude up ass, as long as it ain't my ass. I don't give a damn.

10:43:25 Amy Bugbee: Interesting.

10:43:26 Shane Bugbee: We have a lie detector hooked up to this phone heart. That's very interesting.

10:43:30 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah.

10:43:32 Doug Misicko: You work with Peter Soto's at all?

10:43:34 Hart Fisher: No, I'm not worried. Not worried at all my friend.

10:43:42 Doug Misicko: All right.

10:43:43 Hart Fisher: Yeah.

10:43:43 Doug Misicko: Not worried about Peter Sotos?

10:43:46 Hart Fisher: No.

10:43:47 Doug Misicko: Okay. I just wondering if you ever worked with them?

10:43:50 Hart Fisher: No, No, I haven't.

10:43:51 Doug Misicko: Okay.

10:43:52 Hart Fisher: No, names not familiar. Who is he? Doug Misicko: Okay.

10:43:52 Hart Fisher: No, names not familiar. Who is he?

10:43:58 Amy Bugbee: Loser.

10:43:59 Hart Fisher: Okay.

10:44:01 Shane Bugbee: We thought it fit perfect with your curl. How long have you been around now? 13 years, right?

10:44:11 Hart Fisher: Yeah. 13 year anniversary of publishing. Happy fucking 13, baby.

10:44:17 Shane Bugbee: How many bank accounts and bounced checks is that?

10:44:19 Hart Fisher: How many what?

10:44:21 Shane Bugbee: How many bank accounts and bounced checks is that?

10:44:24 Hart Fisher: Man I'd say I'm on my mind my second boneyard account. And I can't count how many bounced checks have been in the past?

10:44:34 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

10:44:37 Amy Bugbee: The true life of a publisher.

10:44:39 Hart Fisher: Yeah, totally. I try to be real careful about that shit now.

10:44:44 Amy Bugbee: Why?

10:44:45 Hart Fisher: Well, because you know, people will just fucking if you always throw out the rubber no one will want to do any work with you at all.

10:44:52 Doug Misicko: Plus, you get Aquafina on the phone or whoever the hell that was...

10:44:59 Hart Fisher: Na, I like to lube it up before I fuck it. So we got to make sure the checks are okay now, especially now that pretty much every printer I deal with is cash and carry. They're ain't no credit no more.

10:45:11 Shane Bugbee: You print do you get your books printed in America?

10:45:14 Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah, I get them printed up in Texas.

10:45:17 Shane Bugbee: Brenner, right?

10:45:18 Hart Fisher: Yeah. Yeah. Go to Brenner. He takes pretty good care of me, considered I went bankrupt in 2000. And I owe about 25 grand.

10:45:26 Shane Bugbee: Wow.

10:45:27 Hart Fisher: Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah. When I went bankrupt, and it was personal. I ended up dumping about $115,000 worth of debt. There you gotta love America only they changed all the bankruptcy laws, now. So it makes life tougher for the small guy. Dirty Jews.

10:45:50 Amy Bugbee: We just ignore our debts.

10:45:52 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah? Did you guys did you guys go go through chapter 11 or chapter 14 or anything like that?

10:46:00 Shane Bugbee: Well, we just move.

10:46:01 Amy Bugbee: We went through chapter sell the house, get out of town.

10:46:05 Shane Bugbee: We get we get the new address, new phone number and that's it.

10:46:09 Amy Bugbee: ...and new state this time.

10:46:10 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I did that back at 94. And it worked for a while but eventually I figured, you know, I got to set that and I figured I'd do it the white collar criminal way, go bankrupt.

10:46:23 Shane Bugbee: So is your wife still with you?

10:46:25 Hart Fisher: Is my wife still with me, yeah, she's asleep in bed.

10:46:28 Shane Bugbee: Okay, we had a pool going on...

10:46:31 Hart Fisher: The pool, huh? No, she's in it for the long haul. I found a fucking good one.

10:46:37 Shane Bugbee: Amy lost. She said, "He's gonna lose that girl a week after he gets married." Not married yet.

10:46:44 Amy Bugbee: She's very nice.

10:46:45 Hart Fisher: Well, we got married legally. Last year in June, June 26.

10:46:50 Shane Bugbee: But now you're having a fancy wedding, right?

10:46:53 Hart Fisher: Yeah, we're having the fancy wedding on Halloween this year. Yeah,

10:46:56 Shane Bugbee: Where at?

10:46:57 Hart Fisher: We're gonna be doing that over at a Masonic lodge in Pasadena.

10:47:02 Shane Bugbee: Crazy.

10:47:03 Hart Fisher: Very important to have it at the Masonic Lodge.

10:47:05 Doug Misicko: Absolutely.

10:47:07 Hart Fisher: So we're going to do that through the big Halloween costume wedding. And it got folks and friends coming in from all over the world. Should be a good blast. Open bar, baby. Open bar.

10:47:18 Amy Bugbee: We'll be waiting for our invitation in the mail.

10:47:21 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I think I got your new address. Shoot that over to me and one of the emails as you're on the waiting list.

10:47:27 Doug Misicko: Don't work too hard.

10:47:28 Amy Bugbee: Yeah. Come on. You were in Chicago. Just recently, we didn't hear from you.

10:47:32 Hart Fisher: Barely anybody heard from me. It was a crazy fucking trip. I can't believe I even survived it was as busy as fuck. I didn't get to talked to any of my old buddies when I was in town.

10:47:44 Shane Bugbee: We had the lie detector test, here.

10:47:48 Hart Fisher: It was pretty cool. I did like two different spoken word events. And one of them was a twilight tales. And man those motherfuckers have never had anybody go hog wild on him. It was it was no G G Allen thing but you know, it was fun for the whole family anyway.

10:48:04 Shane Bugbee: Spoken word is not for me.

10:48:07 Hart Fisher: I can understand that. Mostly, talk is no fucking good, it's boring,it's dull. These guys don't do much.

10:48:17 Doug Misicko: Shit.

10:48:18 Amy Bugbee: So what else are you doing?

10:48:20 Hart Fisher: Oh, geez, we got the sex crime book happening. You guys saw the rough cut of the garbage man like, what? A year ago? Two years ago?

10:48:28 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, what's going on with that?

10:48:29 Hart Fisher: Sill in the process of trying to sell that film, I went back and I did a re-cut on it after the version you guys saw, made it about four and a half minutes shorter and did a full sound design on the thing and we've been trying to sell it but it keeps coming back. It's too fucked up, too disturbing, too fucked up, too disturbing. And that's the word I keep getting from people about the flick. And then when I go to the like, the more underground stuff. They're like, well, we like your work, but this shit isn't gory enough, you know, for us. Some kind of caught in Limbo with it. But I just did a short film that's going to be distributed in Japan, where these guys in Japan, dh publishing, finance the flick. The idea is they wanted to have Japanese actresses established Japanese actresses appear in quote, hollywood product. You know, like, this actress is so awesome Hollywood call her up and flew her out to America appear in their movie, you know. And we did this short flick, and it's called chance meeting and that's getting the big release over there in October. They're doing a whole behind the scenes book, like a big photo book on making the film and the actress and they're releasing this thing on DVD with a bunch of extras and stuff. That's the last thing I had to really cook in in the fire.

10:49:44 Shane Bugbee: Hey Hart.

10:49:46 Hart Fisher: Yeah?

10:49:46 Shane Bugbee: So you did a comic con recently with Thomas Thorne.

10:49:49 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I did. I did. It was fun. It was good time.

10:49:53 Shane Bugbee: So did he hit on you?

10:49:55 Hart Fisher: No, no, not at all.

10:49:58 Shane Bugbee: Are you friendly with him?

10:50:00 Hart Fisher: I don't know. I mean, I I met him at the show and kind of sucked for him because he flew out for the show. And the guy that did the books guy named Ryan Moheka, his book called Book of Legion. And the book wasn't finished in time, you know, the artists blew his deadline. And so he spent all this money to be at the show and all these blow ups and artwork and all this fucking shit. And Tom flew out to be as a shell because he wrote a story in the book. And there's no fucking book for him to sign. So mostly he got fucking loaded at the booth and cause trouble around the show.

10:50:32 Shane Bugbee: That's what he normally does right? Drink?

10:50:34 Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah, he was definitely a serious fucking hardcore drinker. No doubt. You know?

10:50:39 Shane Bugbee: It's like... Yeah, of course. I know. But it's the first impression I thought of that stuff was he's wanting to be like Danzig or something.

10:50:47 Hart Fisher: Right, right.

10:50:48 Shane Bugbee: I mean, Danzig is the satanic metal guy doing comic books. Why is this guy doing comic books because he can sell CDs, right?

10:50:57 Hart Fisher: Well, you know that they've hit that plateau point, I think in their careers. I don't know how well, you know, the Electric Hellfire Club does but the story he wrote for Book of Legion was pretty cool. You know, a lot of guys grew up on comic books. So you guys that are, you know, like Glenn, they're fucking creative. You know, they don't want to do just one fucking thing. They got a lot of shit they want to do and Tom's got a lot of stuffy. He wants to get out there and he wants to do some comic books and do some writing and I don't know, he was funny. It was it was good time having him around.

10:51:28 Shane Bugbee: Oh, he's a clown, alright...

10:51:30 Hart Fisher: Yeah, like, he was fucking bored. So he went out and he got this electric flyswatter so we were using the flyswatter to zap people around the show. It was the time... well, for us anyway.

10:51:40 Shane Bugbee: That's a good time.

10:51:43 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah, lots of trampling. I couldn't believe how many fuckin fanboys were in this whole trampling thing. We got it all on video. It was bizarre seeing all these frat guys wanting the chicks to walk on them with their high heels and stuff. Oh, yeah. Nothing like a nice six inch heels sinking into a man's belly.

10:52:01 Shane Bugbee: When was the last time you bought an Electric Hellfire Club CD, Hart? Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah, lots of trampling. I couldn't believe how many fuckin fanboys were in this whole trampling thing. We got it all on video. It was bizarre seeing all these frat guys wanting the chicks to walk on them with their high heels and stuff. Oh, yeah. Nothing like a nice six inch heels sinking into a man's belly.

10:52:01 Shane Bugbee: When was the last time you bought an Electric Hellfire Club CD, Hart?

10:52:07 Hart Fisher: I've never bought an Electric Hellfire Club...

10:52:09 Shane Bugbee: Me neither.

10:52:10 Hart Fisher: I have bought stuff they did for those Cleopatra compilations. I bought like, AC/DC tribute, you know?

10:52:17 Shane Bugbee: Cleopatra is a good label. I buy it more for the Cleopatra release then...

10:52:22 Amy Bugbee: ...for all the other bands.

10:52:24 Shane Bugbee: So when's the last time you seen... When did they come in concert in California? ...like three, four or five years?

10:52:30 Hart Fisher: I have no idea.

10:52:34 Shane Bugbee: I read that story, Book of Legion. Dude, I think you dropped a whole nother level man.

10:52:40 Hart Fisher: Oh, thanks...

10:52:42 Shane Bugbee: Well, I like the rest of it. And Ryan rules. Ryan's a good artist. I just think Tomas Thorne's all washed up. I mean, he's just, you know, we're good friends and all. You know, I don't think that of you Hart and we're good friends.

10:52:54 Hart Fisher: That's true. That's true. Generally your career isn't isn't real hot when you're working for me.

10:53:00 Shane Bugbee: That's I'm saying. I'd be honest with my friends. Like I will tell you heart boy. Watch out but you're doing good now.

10:53:07 Hart Fisher: Life Life isn't too bad. You know? I mean, I'm thinking what...

10:53:10 Shane Bugbee: For Thomas is it.

10:53:13 Hart Fisher: Huh?

10:53:13 Shane Bugbee: For Thomas it is.

10:53:14 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah? Well, I think the bartender too.

10:53:18 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I heard he was gonna I heard he was close to suicide after that Comic Con.

10:53:23 Hart Fisher: He might have been met. He might have been he was so fucking boring. But you know the flyswatter made it all worthwhile.

10:53:30 Shane Bugbee: You think?

10:53:31 Hart Fisher: Sure because you get these fucking morons behind the booth that want to get spanked by the girls and we bring out the electric flyswatter.

10:53:37 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I've done the conventions I'd rather put my head down and then do this raffle conventions.

10:53:43 Hart Fisher: I'm just really fucking sad that you guys you know lost all your video footage from that white white angry male tour.

10:53:51 Shane Bugbee: Oh you want to bring up some something like an up note, huh?

10:53:57 Amy Bugbee: I feel heart I went on that tour with all those jerky guys. Had to deal with Shane and all that stuff 30 hours of videotaping only to have it lost and gone forever.

10:54:13 Hart Fisher: That sucks cuz you guys had fucking gold man.

10:54:16 Amy Bugbee: Oh, I know.

10:54:18 Hart Fisher: Unbelievable fucking gold.

10:54:20 Shane Bugbee: How about that max hardcore stuff?

10:54:23 Hart Fisher: Yeah, you know Max is a riot, I've designed all his web banners.

10:54:27 Doug Misicko: Why does that guy never used the vagina?

10:54:31 Hart Fisher: Sure he has... Doug Misicko: Why does that guy never used the vagina?

10:54:31 Hart Fisher: Sure he has...

10:54:33 Doug Misicko: I'v never seen it, he's always plugging the anus.

10:54:36 Hart Fisher: He does the vagina you know he does this like weird in our thing where he like sticks his fingers up the chicks ass and is trying to pull out the inside out the vagina you ever seen that tricky does?

10:54:48 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah.

10:54:49 Hart Fisher: Fuck, their all family is is very important because I feel like this radio show is a family hour. ...going to school time over there. Right and everybody's like, listening to this on the way to school.

10:55:00 Shane Bugbee: Hart. Isn't it true that Max Hardcore, total Satan. I mean, that guy's evil.

10:55:08 Hart Fisher: Max is pretty evil. He's a good guy, though.

10:55:12 Shane Bugbee: Isn't it true? He had to throw away my books because he thought they were more evil.

10:55:17 Hart Fisher: Yeah, actually, he did. Because you know the cops visit his house on a regular basis and he has been... fought rape charges many times in the past because of what he filmed. So, if he felt that it was a bad idea to have a magazine called rape media...

10:55:38 Shane Bugbee: Hey Hart, dothe cops visit his house for anal sex.

10:55:42 Hart Fisher: You know, they might have been looking to give max some anal sex because we know how cops can be but I don't think they were cruising to get with the girl. You guys, there? They're quiet.

10:56:04 Doug Misicko: We're scared of sodomites.

10:56:06 Hart Fisher: He's good guy unless you're a chick and you're going to get sodomized by him.

10:56:10 Amy Bugbee: Oh, he's got a dog.

10:56:13 Hart Fisher: Evil. Well, the thing he's into now is all the vomit stuff. He's making these girls vomit on each other and vomit into their asses and suck the vomit out of their ass.

10:56:21 Doug Misicko: It's something new. That's nice.

10:56:24 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah.

10:56:24 Doug Misicko: I said he should mix it up a little more.

10:56:27 Hart Fisher: But damn funny. I'll tell you that. I look at it as comedy. I'm not checking off to that stuff at all.

10:56:32 Doug Misicko: Oh, no. There's nothing erotic about his stuff. I don't think.

10:56:35 Hart Fisher: No, I don't think pissing in a chick's ass Is erotic.

10:56:39 Shane Bugbee: Hmm. I disagree.

10:56:43 Hart Fisher: Amy, do you feel erotic when Shane pisses in your ass?

10:56:46 Amy Bugbee: I love it.

10:56:47 Hart Fisher: Okay, well, then, you know, maybe I'm wrong.

10:56:50 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Hart. Yeah. Do you remember when when I took you to the gangbang? The Huston Gangbang 500.

10:56:55 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I remember I broke my fucking camera.

10:56:58 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, it was...

10:57:01 Hart Fisher: Maybe one picture...

10:57:04 Shane Bugbee: A big expensive camera... drops it?

10:57:06 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I know. Fucking gone, man.

10:57:09 Doug Misicko: So were you the one who had the fluffer with the tits like raisins?

10:57:14 Hart Fisher: Nah, man. The worst thing about the Houston 500 gangbang was there was one dude there that just sat around with the fluffers. And you know...

10:57:24 Doug Misicko: For a second; for those who don't know, the fluffer is the one who keeps the guys around before they hit the woman.

10:57:29 Hart Fisher: Yeah, and these chicks are working so hard. They literally had knee pads on. They fucking had knee pads on, no joke. So this dude is getting fluffed the whole time, not only is he getting fluffed, he's making out with the fluffers. These chicks have been stuck in like a couple 100 dicks right there, right now. No toothbrush. And he's making out with that shit.

10:57:50 Doug Misicko: It's funny. We're talking about that earlier I was talking about Shane's party some hairy biker fucker was eating out a stripper. I thought, you know, you don't know where the strippers been. I guess maybe it's not like making out with her after you know, she's been sucking 500 dicks. But...

10:58:07 Hart Fisher: You know, it's kind of like people that are into those big bodybuilder chicks. They're... my brother says his opinion that they're just not ready to admit their gay. You know what I mean?

10:58:19 Doug Misicko: Yeah, it's like becoming a cop. You're not ready.

10:58:21 Hart Fisher: You're not ready to taste that cock, but she'll taste it by default. Right? Doug Misicko: Yeah, it's like becoming a cop. You're not ready.

10:58:21 Hart Fisher: You're not ready to taste that cock, but she'll taste it by default. Right?

10:58:26 Doug Misicko: You carry the billy club.

10:58:27 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah.

10:58:30 Shane Bugbee: What are you guys talking about?

10:58:31 Doug Misicko: We lost Shane. He started hearing about billy clubing queer cops and he's back and he wants to know.

10:58:41 Hart Fisher: It's an ugly world, I tell you.

10:58:45 Shane Bugbee: Well, what do you think? Are any buildings gonna fall in California, today?

10:58:50 Hart Fisher: I don't think jack shit's gonna happen today. I think everybody's going to be ordering their Domino's or Burger King and gassing up their cars and a couple of cocksuckers would go on the TV and cry a little bit and that'll be it man. Nothing's gonna happen.

10:59:03 Shane Bugbee: Did you like it when the buildings fell?

10:59:05 Hart Fisher: I was asleep.

10:59:07 Shane Bugbee: But, did you like it?

10:59:09 Hart Fisher: No, I didn't like it. To me, it was it was it was fucking it was bizarre. It was definitely bizarre was like "whoa, here's a fucking wake up call".

10:59:17 Shane Bugbee: I loved it.

10:59:19 Hart Fisher: Yeah, it was pure entertainment for you?

10:59:21 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, absolutely. We watched it fall live.

10:59:25 Hart Fisher: I didn't. I woke up at like one or two in the afternoon, here in LA. So by the time I woke up, it was all over.

10:59:32 Doug Misicko: I was so unsurprised by the whole thing. It was strange.

10:59:37 Hart Fisher: Well, you know what? They one-up the Oklahoma City bombing you know?

10:59:43 Doug Misicko: A couple-uped that one...

10:59:44 Shane Bugbee: Apples and oranges man. That was a one man deal with manure. McVeigh's an American hero.

10:59:50 Hart Fisher: Guy took ingenuity you know, those guys were rather clever, clever, sick fuck up. They really went to it, you know.

Hour 12

11:00:00 Shane Bugbee: McVeigh would have had what those sand niggers had... Shit, things would have been all over.

11:00:07 Amy Bugbee: Well, let's face it. Those guys had the CIA training. And McVeigh only had like marine training.

11:00:15 Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah.

11:00:16 Doug Misicko: America loves its lone nut theory, but I don't think McVeigh worked alone.

11:00:20 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I don't think anything's gonna happen anywhere today. Why you guys think a building's gonna fall today?

11:00:26 Shane Bugbee: Na. ...you know, fingers crossed.

11:00:31 Hart Fisher: No, I think they're busy eating doughnuts and their bagels and lox. Bombing a bus in Jerusalem.

11:00:43 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

11:00:44 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Hart.

11:00:44 Hart Fisher: Yeah.

11:00:45 Shane Bugbee: So where can people find you if they want to give you a shot in the gutter something?

11:00:50 Hart Fisher: Generally, you know... Some of the clubs in LA I'm easy to find, you know. Me and Joe monk is going to be doing a convention in Mexico on November 21 and easy way to get ahold of me to the website www.BoneyardPress.com there's email on their bonedaddy at boneyardpress.com easy way to email me.

11:01:15 Amy Bugbee: Excellent.

11:01:18 Hart Fisher: So how long is this party going for it goes on for another 14 hours?

11:01:22 Amy Bugbee: Yeah till midnight.

11:01:23 Hart Fisher: Are you guys drinking your coffee?

11:01:25 Amy Bugbee: A lot of coffee.

11:01:26 Hart Fisher: Are you just running on the power of Satan?

11:01:29 Shane Bugbee: Both.

11:01:29 Amy Bugbee: We're going to switch to liquor soon.

11:01:35 Hart Fisher: That works that works.

11:01:37 Amy Bugbee: So we are gonna be fistfighting by 10.

11:01:39 Hart Fisher: Who else you guys got coming on the show?

11:01:43 Shane Bugbee: Clive Barker, Glenn Danzig, Thomas Thorn from the Hellfire Club. It's a long listing.

11:01:53 Amy Bugbee: Peter Gilmore.

11:01:55 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, we're about... we're loading in the black metal band mayhem right now. They're setting up in the studio.

11:02:06 Hart Fisher: Man, I need some coffee.

11:02:08 Shane Bugbee: No, we have a George Burdi. Ex-racist. Now he's in a band with a black and a Jewish person.

11:02:16 Hart Fisher: Ah...

11:02:17 Shane Bugbee: Tom Metzger. Runs resist .com. And he's a racialist.

11:02:27 Hart Fisher: So so what do you think of these white supremist?

11:02:30 Shane Bugbee: Me?

11:02:31 Hart Fisher: Yeah.

11:02:32 Shane Bugbee: I love them.

11:02:33 Hart Fisher: Yeah, they're they're they're entertaining.

11:02:36 Shane Bugbee: I don't think they're entertaining. I don't think anything they're saying is that outrageous? I don't know why people even care. When blacks say it, it's okay. When the nation Islam says Black Power, black America, Miss black America, all that bullshit. It's okay. You know, it's just because the white man's on top people want to bring him down. That's no joke. You're a white guy. Think about it.

11:02:59 Hart Fisher: Hey, the white race is the most evil race on the fucking planet.

11:03:03 Amy Bugbee: Well, let's face it Jews, Asians, they don't go outside their race. Well, except of course for your wife, Hart.

11:03:11 Hart Fisher: That's right, baby. I came for her.

11:03:15 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Hart.

11:03:16 Hart Fisher: Yeah.

11:03:16 Shane Bugbee: Don't you? You don't like the white race?

11:03:20 Hart Fisher: I don't really care whether it's white, black, Arab, Irish... You know, it's all the fucking same animal to me.

11:03:28 Shane Bugbee: No, you just said you think the white race is the evil is race around.

11:03:32 Hart Fisher: I think as far as racial destruction goes, you gotta hand it to the white man. Hands down where we're really good at killing motherfuckers. We kill motherfuckers dead.

11:03:46 Shane Bugbee: Are you not? Are you not proud to be white?

11:03:49 Hart Fisher: I'm glad that I am who I am, but you know, I don't place much stock in it.

11:03:57 Shane Bugbee: How about your wife? She like being Asian?

11:04:01 Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah. She's Japanese.

11:04:02 Japanese. Okay. Is that in Aisa? Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah. She's Japanese.

11:04:02 Japanese. Okay. Is that in Aisa?

11:04:07 It's in the vicinity. Yeah, I believe so. Japan. I dunno, out there somewhere.

11:04:14 Amy Bugbee: Well, I bet she... I wonder if it's a step up or a step down to be married to a white guy.

11:04:20 Hart Fisher: For right now in Japan for their culture it's considered a step up. It all the chicks want a bag a big white guy. When the movie crew was here when we had the actress here and her. Her translator was here. They were fucking bagging on Japanese dudes. Big time talking about they were pussies. And they want to have a real man like an American man. And they're saying all this shit in Japanese right in front of a whole crew of Japanese photographers working on the book. And none of these guys said shit to these chicks. My wife talks about it all the time. But what a bunch of pussies this generation of Japanese are.

11:05:00 Amy Bugbee: Men in general, these days... they've all been domesticated so much and feminized. It's pathetic.

11:05:08 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I agree with that. For sure. We're raised to be totally castrated. It's bullshit.

11:05:15 Doug Misicko: Well, you wait, the Japanese is organizing their military once more. We'll see what happens.

11:05:20 Hart Fisher: Yeah, well, you know, we'll find out what happened. Because right now they're going through a whole fucking Cultural Revolution where the women are like, totally backlash against that whole stereotype of you know, where the man always comes first. They're totally rebelling on that shit and, and stepping on those motherfuckers' heart.

11:05:40 Doug Misicko: So are you getting a piece of that at home or what?

11:05:42 Hart Fisher: Hell no. My wife wants me to be a man, act like a man and that's the way it works.

11:05:47 Doug Misicko: Traditional values.

11:05:48 Hart Fisher: Fuckin'-A.

11:05:50 Amy Bugbee: Are you planning to reproduce?

11:05:52 Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I'm gonna produce more little soldiers.

11:05:56 Shane Bugbee: No, we're gonna have to get off the phone right now.

11:05:59 Doug Misicko: She's offended. You're talking about reproducing? He got it ill.

11:06:06 Hart Fisher: Oh, you know, I'm going to do it. It's going to be a couple of little Harts running around. going to be...

11:06:11 Shane Bugbee: Why bringing more filth into this world?

11:06:13 Doug Misicko: Do it now. Go do it now.

11:06:15 Shane Bugbee: And I have nothing against you and your wife. It's just children in general.

11:06:20 Hart Fisher: You can get on the same train with Chris Dephou she fucking absolutely hates children.

11:06:24 Doug Misicko: Is she in bed right now?

11:06:26 Hart Fisher: No, I told you I'm sitting naked in front of the computer.

11:06:29 Doug Misicko: All right. I was going to say, "Go make it now."

11:06:32 Shane Bugbee: Doug. He's looking at your artwork.

11:06:34 Doug Misicko: I feel violated.

11:06:38 Hart Fisher: I'm feeling turgid.

11:06:40 Amy Bugbee: Are you erect? Or flacid?

11:06:42 Hart Fisher: I'm on semi chub. I'm not a full chub yet. It's the sound of Shane's voice. It just doesn't quite get me over.

11:06:50 Amy Bugbee: Shane talk sexy or keep talking Amy.

11:06:56 Doug Misicko: Keep working on it.

11:06:58 Amy Bugbee: What's it gonna take? I was offering free blowjobs if someone would bring me doughnuts and something to fix my turntable, but we've had no takers.

11:07:09 Hart Fisher: No takers?! The fuck is wrong with people.

11:07:12 Amy Bugbee: And Shane can attest I am talented.

11:07:15 Hart Fisher: Free head is free head. Better known as..

11:07:19 Shane Bugbee: ...not free head.

11:07:21 Hart Fisher: Well... for doughnuts, you know.

11:07:23 Doug Misicko: You always pay somehow.

11:07:25 Shane Bugbee: Good head is good head and it's worth paying for.

11:07:32 Hart Fisher: Put a smile on your face. Do you wake up in the morning and be like, ah...

11:07:38 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

11:07:39 Doug Misicko: Oh, yeah.

11:07:41 Hart Fisher: That's what it's all about. Good morning. blowjobs. I mean, that's the best way to start today.

11:07:46 Amy Bugbee: Start the day in the day after lunch.

11:07:51 Most definitely. Yeah.

11:07:55 Doug Misicko: Well, not much debate there. I think we're all in agreement.

11:07:59 Shane Bugbee: Doug is... Thoroughly offended.

11:08:01 Doug Misicko: Yeah, I'm all pissed off. Now.

11:08:02 Amy Bugbee: He's celibate, you know?

11:08:04 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah. Celebrate or just can't get none?

11:08:07 Doug Misicko: Oh, you know...

11:08:08 Shane Bugbee: Shit. I'm gonna tell you something. Heart. Yeah, you don't want to fuck with Doug. I'll tell ya... He's got one eye and the motherfucker pulls down more pussy I ever saw.

11:08:09 Hart Fisher: I'm a guess, can't get none. Shane Bugbee: Shit. I'm gonna tell you something. Heart. Yeah, you don't want to fuck with Doug. I'll tell ya... He's got one eye and the motherfucker pulls down more pussy I ever saw.

11:08:09 Shane Bugbee: Shit. I'm gonna tell you something. Heart. Yeah, you don't want to fuck with Doug. I'll tell ya... He's got one eye and the motherfucker pulls down more pussy I ever saw.

11:08:19 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah?

11:08:20 Shane Bugbee: And he makes he came here. He brought a girl. I said "You never told me you're bringing her". He said, "Hey, I'll keep her in the car all night. Fuck it." I'm not kidding you, dude.

11:08:29 Hart Fisher: Dude!

11:08:29 Shane Bugbee: ...and His bitches will be in. the car.

11:08:35 Hart Fisher: There's just something so wrong about that.

11:08:38 Doug Misicko: What's wrong with that?

11:08:43 Amy Bugbee: We know who's in charge.

11:08:45 Shane Bugbee: That's right.

11:08:45 Amy Bugbee: They don't want to lose the Doug master.

11:08:48 Hart Fisher: Sorry about that. I dropped my slinky and it just distracted me for a moment.

11:08:52 Shane Bugbee: Hart, you would freak out. I'm telling you, Doug's a chick magnet.

11:08:56 Hart Fisher: Total total babe magnet?

11:08:58 Amy Bugbee: Absolutely.

11:08:59 Hart Fisher: Is he a babe magnet, or just like a cum dumpster magnet? ...just bring in the chicks that draw flies, or was he bringing in the hotties?

11:09:07 Shane Bugbee: No. Perfect women. Perfect.

11:09:09 Amy Bugbee: I'm forbidden to get a closer than three feet to him.

11:09:14 Hart Fisher: That bad huh?

11:09:16 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. As a matter of fact, I may just fucking take out the other eye to make it fair.

11:09:23 Doug Misicko: Well, your chicks dig cripples.

11:09:26 Shane Bugbee: Oh...

11:09:27 Hart Fisher: Gives you character.

11:09:31 Amy Bugbee: What are you going to say about that, Doug?

11:09:33 Doug Misicko: I'm not crippled but I know a guy who's half paralyzed wants to do porn. Oh. Oh yeah. Should I have an email you?

11:09:39 Hart Fisher: What? What half is paralyzed?

11:09:42 Doug Misicko: I don't know. He's got like that he's got like that emaciated, retard arm that you know curls up towards the chest. You know I'm talking about? Hart Fisher: What? What half is paralyzed?

11:09:42 Doug Misicko: I don't know. He's got like that he's got like that emaciated, retard arm that you know curls up towards the chest. You know I'm talking about?

11:09:51 Hart Fisher: Oh, fuckin' man.

11:09:52 Doug Misicko: And he's got like he's got like the leg that drags...and he's got the speech impediment. Oh this this man would be willing to put out hard.

11:10:02 Hart Fisher: Hook him up with john t bone is what we need to do.

11:10:05 Shane Bugbee: No, forget we don't need you.

11:10:06 Doug Misicko: All right. All right. I'm sorry. You cut out.

11:10:10 Hart Fisher: We did we do....

11:10:11 Doug Misicko: Get my boy.

11:10:12 Hart Fisher: ...take care of crippled people in porn.

11:10:14 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Hart.

11:10:15 Hart Fisher: Yeah?

11:10:15 Shane Bugbee: I'll trade you the GIMP for Thomas Thorne and Wayne Allen Sally.

11:10:20 Hart Fisher: Uh Oh.

11:10:21 Shane Bugbee: Come on. They're worth about 20 bucks to you. Just be honest. Come on. You give Wayne about 50 cents in books when he does wright for you?

11:10:32 Hart Fisher: Wayne he's good guy, good guy. Good writer.

11:10:34 Shane Bugbee: Good for nothing.

11:10:36 Hart Fisher: He's awesome. He always delivers for me, baby.

11:10:39 Shane Bugbee: Well, you know he's supposed to die any day. So you know he'll he'll be worth something when he's dead. Maybe.

11:10:45 Hart Fisher: Dude is so fucked up. He's got so much shit wrong with him. It's unbelievable.

11:10:50 Amy Bugbee: Every time we make plans with him, something horrible happens he broke his arm, his cerebral palsy started up, be broke, someone died.

11:10:58 Shane Bugbee: Maybe it's us.

11:10:59 Amy Bugbee: I think it's just excuses. He's healthy as a horse.

11:11:02 Hart Fisher: You think so?

11:11:04 Amy Bugbee: Yeah.

11:11:06 Hart Fisher: Oh man, I've seen some of the scars and the surgery photos and that dude is like, he's like the fucking Job of writers.

11:11:14 Shane Bugbee: I think he hangs from hooks in a gay bar for a living, that fuck.

11:11:20 Hart Fisher: Well, you know, he's probably one hell of a masochist. So who knows what he does in his free time. He wrote this one kick ass story from me about a guy who likes having firecrackers shot out of his cock. Like bottle rockets.

11:11:37 Doug Misicko: How would you shoot a bottle rocket out of your cock?

11:11:40 Hart Fisher: Well, you just stick the fucking toothpick you know that it's on at down your urethra, like fire away.

11:11:48 Doug Misicko: Now, I'm offended.

11:11:51 Hart Fisher: Haven't you ever seen Jackass?

11:11:54 Doug Misicko: Well, I've seen parts of Jackass.

11:11:56 Hart Fisher: In the movie they're shooting rockets out of there asses.

11:11:58 Shane Bugbee: We're talking to jackass.

11:12:02 Amy Bugbee: Well retards in porn is getting high praises in the old Radio Free State and chat room.

11:12:09 Doug Misicko: That's our business, and everyone wants it.

11:12:11 Hart Fisher: Need to track down two movies. You need to track down "this cunt's for you", and need to track down "I sold my soul for anal". Those are classics destined to go down in the halls of porno infamy. Doug Misicko: That's our business, and everyone wants it.

11:12:12 Hart Fisher: Need to track down two movies. You need to track down "this cunt's for you", and need to track down "I sold my soul for anal". Those are classics destined to go down in the halls of porno infamy.

11:12:22 Doug Misicko: Oh, you just wait till our boy gets in the porn?

11:12:25 Amy Bugbee: Are those your movies Hart?

11:12:27 Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah. Secret to the fans. I'm in there. I'm Satan in the movies. Wearing red tights. Now I know that scary. But I look good in red tights. Let me tell you.

11:12:40 Shane Bugbee: It's fairy.

11:12:42 Hart Fisher: Big red ass. Nothing better.

11:12:44 Shane Bugbee: It's not scary. It's fairy.

11:12:50 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I'm sure there's some people that might feel that way.

11:12:56 Amy Bugbee: His erection's probably coming up.

11:12:59 Shane Bugbee: Because he's I think he was looking at himself in the mirror.

11:13:02 Hart Fisher: Oh, yes. Ronald Reagan mask. It's a good thing.

11:13:06 Shane Bugbee: I fuckin' love myself.

11:13:11 Amy Bugbee: I'm hot in those red tights.

11:13:14 Shane Bugbee: Look at me.

11:13:16 Amy Bugbee: Look at that ass.

11:13:17 Hart Fisher: It's great the costume is like something out of an old Star Trek movie. It's really bad. It's real bad.

11:13:24 Doug Misicko: You're haunted by Star Trek, aren't you?

11:13:27 Hart Fisher: No, no, I don't. I don't like Star Trek. I like making fun of the fans.

11:13:31 Doug Misicko: Yeah, but you actively hate Star Trek.

11:13:35 Hart Fisher: Do I actively hate Star Trek? No, no, I don't really have much of opinion about it.

11:13:39 Doug Misicko: You've brought it up a couple of times, now.

11:13:43 Hart Fisher: Do you watch the show, are you a big fan of the new enterprise show?

11:13:46 Doug Misicko: No. I'm just wondering what the deal is.

11:13:49 Hart Fisher: Oh the fans slay me. They just fucking slay me?

11:13:52 Doug Misicko: I never I don't think I've ever even run into fans. Where do you meet these people?

11:13:57 Hart Fisher: I made a comic-con and you need to go to more comic conventions and you'll... just listen to Shane. You know, he'd rather stick his head to pot of...

11:14:04 Doug Misicko: What I hear Yeah, you need to go to less.

11:14:10 Hart Fisher: It's it's not it's not good. It's It's scary bits of humanity.

11:14:16 Doug Misicko: The tragedy never ends.

11:14:18 Hart Fisher: No, it doesn't. It does not. My favorite is this. This dentist who made his entire dental area into like a replica of the enterprise. And he has his whole staff dressed like they're in Star Trek. They wear uniforms and stuff.

11:14:35 Doug Misicko: You know this guy?

11:14:37 Hart Fisher: ...while they're drilling on your teeth.

11:14:39 Doug Misicko: Give us give us his number. We'll call him up.

11:14:42 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I don't know what his number is. I saw him in the in the movie. it was a riot.

11:14:46 Shane Bugbee: You blow this guy?

11:14:49 Hart Fisher: He's a dentist.

11:14:50 Shane Bugbee: You blow 'em?

11:14:52 Hart Fisher: You guys there you cuting out on me. There we go.

11:14:57 Shane Bugbee: Homo says "what".

11:14:59 Hart Fisher: now the homeowner does not say "what". Fuck you. What do you guys got going on? You doing might makes right and what else is keeping you busy?

11:15:11 Shane Bugbee: Nothing. Just sitting here. Amy's crocheting and I'm rolling some dough, making a pie.

11:15:18 Doug Misicko: I'm trying to look like I'm not sleeping.

11:15:20 Amy Bugbee: He's got that one eye open.

11:15:22 Shane Bugbee: Doug keeps his bad eye open and we he thinks because I'm awake. I'm awake.

11:15:27 Hart Fisher: Do you do you like wear an eyepatch over your bad eye?

11:15:30 Doug Misicko: Na, I know I should for affect though.

11:15:34 Shane Bugbee: No, but he usually he wears this gold with a four leaf clover in there. It's like a weird, you know, like Marilyn Manson ish. His has got a gold four leaf clover in it.

11:15:47 Hart Fisher: Okay.

11:15:47 Doug Misicko: People go nuts for that. It's Yeah.

11:15:50 Amy Bugbee: My sister had to wear an eyepatch for a couple months and she said she never had so many guys come on to her.

11:15:56 Hart Fisher: Really?

11:15:57 Amy Bugbee: Yes, it was quite a conversation starter.

11:16:00 Hart Fisher: Oh, there you go. That's an easy way in huh?

11:16:03 Doug Misicko: I met a girl once she had deformed arms, and she had like, one finger on one hand that actually had a fingernail and she'd manicure it and paint it and everything. And the other arm was like half a stump with like this big, big knob on it this half ball. And otherwise, she had a nice body and everything and I thought... you know, I thought maybe I would be the only one who would think that that would be okay. But it turned out I was talking people who knew her and she was at... she was not at a loss at all. I don't know.

11:16:39 Hart Fisher: So you found all this stuff when you woke up next to her in the morning right?

11:16:43 Doug Misicko: No, I you know I just watched her I watched her do everything from light a joint to you know, I don't know other things that require manual dexterity that it was amazing to see her do.

11:16:57 Hart Fisher: Been like a little cripple time down here at the Radio Free Satan .com.

11:17:00 Doug Misicko: Yeah, we love the retards.

11:17:02 Hart Fisher: Oh, very important. Kids of Whitney High.

11:17:05 Doug Misicko: Right. Make some beautiful music.

11:17:09 Shane Bugbee: First ones in the fuckin showers. First go the retards and then go the Jews.

11:17:17 Doug Misicko: Thre retards are entertaining.

11:17:19 Shane Bugbee: Next is the niggers and spics and then more Jews.

11:17:24 Hart Fisher: All right.

11:17:25 Doug Misicko: You can tell a retard it's got a bug on the back of its head and watch it spin in violent circles and everybody has a good time.

11:17:34 Hart Fisher: While I was growing up, I had this friend of mine he had a cousin that had Down syndrome and he moved in with his with with his grandma and that the Down syndrome chick, and her bedroom was next to his and he said he used to have to listen or masturbate at night.

11:17:51 Doug Misicko: He had to ,huh?

11:17:53 Hart Fisher: Well, yeah, you know, he's just living in a fucking trailer. Some fuckin' retard is masturbating and making all this noice...

11:17:58 Doug Misicko: I heard retards have quite the sexual appetite too.

11:18:04 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah. And then I was dating this girl and she had an older aunt that was a 'tard. And she she got knocked up by the mailman. The mailman would come and sweet talk his way in until eventually he knocked her up. That was in Texas.

11:18:22 Doug Misicko: Yeah, it doesn't even sound like the 'tards are at a loss to find somebody to do it with them. What is going on? That's dysgenics.

11:18:30 Hart Fisher: That's pretty desperate. I'd say. Yeah, it is. What's going through your mind when you're looking at that mongoloid fuckin face and you're going, "Yeah, that's some butter for me." Doug Misicko: Yeah, it doesn't even sound like the 'tards are at a loss to find somebody to do it with them. What is going on? That's dysgenics.

11:18:30 Hart Fisher: That's pretty desperate. I'd say. Yeah, it is. What's going through your mind when you're looking at that mongoloid fuckin face and you're going, "Yeah, that's some butter for me."

11:18:42 Doug Misicko: I don't know what is going through your mind.

11:18:44 Shane Bugbee: Pure perversion. it's all about perversion.

11:18:49 Doug Misicko: Having a submissive.

11:18:50 Hart Fisher: Definitely all about perversion. That's why I would do a book called "sex crimes".

11:18:57 Doug Misicko: Any retards in the stories?

11:18:59 Hart Fisher: I do not believe that there's any retards in that particular anthology. No, no retard.

11:19:06 Doug Misicko: I'll write you a retard story.

11:19:09 Hart Fisher: Well, we got tons of rape and torture and murder and maiming stories.

11:19:12 Doug Misicko: Hold the presses. I'll give you a retard.

11:19:15 Hart Fisher: Oh, you will? Yeah. We got this one story called birthday box about this group of people who they kidnap little girls and they keep them in a box and they only feed them cum.

11:19:28 Doug Misicko: Really? Well, I'll tell you what...

11:19:32 Hart Fisher: It's a joy, written by a guy named Victor Heck.

11:19:39 Doug Misicko: Are you taking... Are you all done with that book? You taking submissions?

11:19:42 Hart Fisher: Yeah, where we are finished with it and go on to the printer tomorrow. Oh shit. You're good to go. But 256 pages. It's got some cool illustrations in there. Brudi writes done some stuff in it.

11:19:55 Amy Bugbee: We missed out already.

11:19:56 Hart Fisher: ...in there. That story in there and your favorite Wayne Allen Sally's got a story in there. ...Chicago and Larry Santoro out of Chicago got stories.

11:20:08 Shane Bugbee: I have no respect with someone with a horrible work ethic like Wayne Allen Sally. I'm not kidding, Hart. I respect you because you work hard. I work hard. And my friends work hard. I think that guy's a welfare, welfare. scumbag.

11:20:26 Amy Bugbee: He used to work for us. He used to do stuff for us. And then all of a sudden he just was too cool or something.

11:20:33 Shane Bugbee: Well, at least he could say that.

11:20:35 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, I mean, but you know, he emailed and said he could we couldn't keep him away from the show today. He was gonna be here. No matter what.

11:20:43 Hart Fisher: Yeah, he was supposed to come out to the reading I did when I was in Chicago, but but he didn't make it.

11:20:49 Shane Bugbee: Oh, invited him did him did ya?

11:20:51 Amy Bugbee: Ah, I thought you didn't see any of your old friends.

11:20:54 Hart Fisher: He hooked up the reading, Wayne and Larry made it happen. They came out to the comic convention. And they they set it up for Twilight tales over the Red Lion pub on the north side of Chicago.

11:21:09 Shane Bugbee: Well, Hart. The the joke's on you because we've only had people on guest today that we want the satanists to terrorize. And you know Satanists are killers.

11:21:21 Hart Fisher: Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, sure.

11:21:23 Shane Bugbee: They're coming after you.

11:21:24 Hart Fisher: Well, you know, the sad thing is is honestly Satanists have a long way to go to catch up to the Christians. You know, the Satanists just are not doing enough killing. I mean, why are they out there killing you know, these these right to life people? You know, abortionists are getting wiped out left right and center. Satanists should be out there. Wacking these motherfuckers

11:21:44 Shane Bugbee: You think? Hart Fisher: Well, you know, the sad thing is is honestly Satanists have a long way to go to catch up to the Christians. You know, the Satanists just are not doing enough killing. I mean, why are they out there killing you know, these these right to life people? You know, abortionists are getting wiped out left right and center. Satanists should be out there. Wacking these motherfuckers

11:21:44 Shane Bugbee: You think?

11:21:46 Hart Fisher: Sure. I mean, isn't dead babies good for Satan? Isn't dead babies good for the whole satanic movement. Don't you want more abortionists out there?

11:21:55 Shane Bugbee: Your satanic movement.

11:21:57 Doug Misicko: It isn't so much about dead babies, as less people.

11:22:02 Hart Fisher: I mean, honestly, I'm an atheist. So to me, the whole thing is just good fun.

11:22:09 Doug Misicko: We're all atheists here. Atheism doesn't run contrary to Satanism.

11:22:18 Hart Fisher: I guess. You know, do what thou well? Isn't that the law?

11:22:24 Shane Bugbee: Only if you're twisting your fucking head off your shoulders.

11:22:27 Amy Bugbee: at home. Oh, Alistair Crowley?

11:22:31 Doug Misicko: No, actually, that came from rabalais gargantuan panagrule and people don't seem to realize that Crowley pulled that from old fiction from the 1500s.

11:22:41 Hart Fisher: There you go. Gotta steal from somewhere, right?

11:22:45 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, he was too busy taken in the butt to write his own stuff.

11:22:50 Hart Fisher: Wasn't he a heroin addict?

11:22:52 Amy Bugbee: Yes, he was.

11:22:54 Doug Misicko: Well, what annoys me is you got certain dickhead authors claiming that LaVey pulled most of his stuff from fiction or whatever. Like that's, that's a terrible unspeakable thing and in the same, same paragraph pontificating about the value of Alister Crawley not apparently realizing that croley plagiarize just about everything he did. In particular, I'm talking about Nikolas Schreck from the Temple a Set who will never be a proper magician in the proper sense because he can't read between the lines like that. He can't take from fiction. He can't he can't make anything of anything. If the guy can't even see that. What Is he good for? You Have you ever worked with little Nick? What is it? Nikolas Schreck?

11:23:42 Hart Fisher: No, I haven't read his stuff.

11:23:43 Doug Misicko: Yeah, well... There's no need. He's a fucking hack.

11:23:48 Hart Fisher: Who is he?

11:23:49 Doug Misicko: He's just some piece of shit from the Temple of Set. Like I said, he writes that crap about Anton love aim and writes, writes about Crawley in a different light when he was maybe the same thing but worse.

11:24:04 Hart Fisher: Now, I don't know too much about the guy. I don't know that much about Anton Levey.

11:24:10 Shane Bugbee: Okay.

11:24:11 Doug Misicko: Okay.

11:24:11 Shane Bugbee: Ozzy Osbourne has a Crowley song that's all I'm saying.

11:24:16 Doug Misicko: I stand corrected Ozzy Osbourne has a Crawley song.

11:24:21 Amy Bugbee: I'm sorry. I was reading the chat room post. What What does that have to do with anything?

11:24:30 Hart Fisher: Log on, masturbate to the chat room.

11:24:36 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, the chat room.

11:24:39 Doug Misicko: Now if you can take fiction and make something of it make something of your own? Because if the fiction isn't gonna drive anything out of you What's it good for to begin with?

11:24:51 Hart Fisher: Where where's the chat room?

11:24:54 Amy Bugbee: It's Radio Free Statan .com

11:24:57 Hart Fisher: Right? Yeah, my fucking crappy ass Mac won't get the station and it wants me to install a bunch of software.

11:25:11 Amy Bugbee: You have to sign up for the chat room.

11:25:16 Shane Bugbee: Just get into the 20th century Hart. It's not hard.

11:25:20 Hart Fisher: I'm behind the times. Not up on the internet. Kind of an internet goon. I don't know that much about it.

11:25:30 Shane Bugbee: Hart Fisher. We need to say goodbye to you.

11:25:35 Hart Fisher: Huh?

11:25:36 Shane Bugbee: We're saying goodbye.

11:25:37 Hart Fisher: Oh, okay.

11:25:39 Doug Misicko: It was a pleasure talking to you.

11:25:41 Shane Bugbee: Na, we're you know, this has been great talking to you, man. You're a good guy.

11:25:45 Hart Fisher: Yeah, yeah. I regret not getting to hang out with you guys in Chicago.

11:25:50 Shane Bugbee: I think you're a little mixed up on Satan. Should probably pick up the Satanic Bible or something.

11:25:58 Hart Fisher: Oh man, my favorite. My favorite fucking part of the comic convention is there's just this group of people doing Christian comics, right. And we were next to them last year at the show, this one is right next to comics group. So there's this dude there that I got on tape just on grilling him and sweat him and he was there. And he's all about, like, trying to convert me to Christian, you know, bullshit doctrine. And I mean, this guy's following me around and in one year, he's got like a tube coming out of his fucking throat, that all the surgery stuff, I'm just thinking, God's doing you real good. He follows me in the fucking john, to take a while I'm taking a piss to keep yakking me about Jesus. So finally, I'm talking to him. And he's, he's going on about this, the great liar is Satan. And I'm like, "Well, you know, if Satan's the best liar in the world, wouldn't it make sense that possibly the Bible is the devil's tool?" And he was like, "What?" And I'm like, "Well think about it. I mean, more people have died in the name of God and the Bible than anything else. So wouldn't Satan's best lie in the world be the Bible." Motherfucker walked out of the john with his goddamn head spinning. It was pretty funny.

11:27:11 Doug Misicko: What else did you do in the john? What made him walk out that way?

11:27:15 Hart Fisher: He was bugging the shit out of me. That's probably why. Anyway, it was definitely a pleasure talking to you.

11:27:22 Doug Misicko: So you gave him a "tounge lashing"?

11:27:26 Shane Bugbee: Thanks a lot, bro.

11:27:27 Hart Fisher: You guys have a good 14 hours.

11:27:29 Doug Misicko: Alright, thanks.

11:27:30 Shane Bugbee: Talk to you soon.

11:27:32 Hart Fisher: All right. Bye.

11:27:35 Shane Bugbee: Thank fucking god, man. Jesus Christ. Oh...

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11:27:42 Shane Bugbee: Fuck my ears. My rectum. Fuuuuuck.

11:27:48 Doug Misicko: Seems like a decent chap.

11:27:49 Shane Bugbee: Yeah? I hear I hear nothing.

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Hour 13

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Vincent Crowley Interview

12:01:27 Amy Bugbee: Well, now we have on the phone Vincent Crowley from the band ACHERON. How you doing? Vincent?

12:01:35 Vincent Crowley: Pretty good. How are you?

12:01:37 Amy Bugbee: Real good. So have you seen Might is Right?

12:01:42 Vincent Crowley: Oh, yeah. A very favorite reading of mine. I'm mud for all human beings.

12:01:53 Amy Bugbee: Yeah?

12:01:55 Shane Bugbee: Any of your songs? What was the wolf band you put out with Thomas Thorne?

12:02:01 Vincent Crowley: Wolfen Society?

12:02:02 Shane Bugbee: Wolfen Society, right? Yeah, yeah, it's a big Might is Right in spirit, inspired band. Right?

12:02:07 Vincent Crowley: Oh, definitely, that, you know, ACHERON is more of a great out, Satanic band. And of course, that has the influence of Might is Right. But wolfen was just based on the misanthropic nature of hatred towards most human beings. So that's what our main focus was on that.

12:02:28 Shane Bugbee: Didn't I... I heard some some gossip or some metal magazines? Did you send back your Church of Satan card at one time or denounced the Church of Satan?

12:02:40 Vincent Crowley: Oh, what happened was, probably about three years ago... There's a lot of people like running the church that were kind of loud mouths online and kind of not to me weren't represented Satanism, to what I would represent it as. And I just felt at that time, I really didn't want to be a part of any organization anymore. And I'm still the same person, same beliefs. It's just that you know, I feel right now I represent myself and, you know, I let my work speak for itself. And I'm not anti-Church of Satan at all. I just don't really want to be aligned with some of the other people that consider themselves satanist.

12:03:22 Shane Bugbee: Do you think that there's a lot of infighting in the satanic community. No?

12:03:27 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's, it got to be a soap opera drama at many times. And, you know, I was a big part of the scene for a long time and...

12:03:39 Doug Misicko: What and who and what and who in particular got on your nerves?

12:03:44 Hart Fisher: I think it was all the email, the online satanist that go to chat rooms, and they try to you know, "I got a CoS card". And I basically, you know, "I represent Satanism" and they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. So just a little annoyances, you know, I mean, everyone starts out somewhere, but you know, I'm kind of past that point. And, you know...

12:04:09 Doug Misicko: So you basically want to stop getting the emails.

12:04:12 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, exactly.

12:04:13 Amy Bugbee: Won't you name names?

12:04:17 Vincent Crowley: I don't even bother because you name names. Still give them a format.

12:04:22 Doug Misicko: Give them credibility they don't deserve.

12:04:24 Vincent Crowley: Exactly, exactly.

12:04:26 Amy Bugbee: Don't you think that's a big problem with Satanism is all the infighting and backstabbing and bullshit I mean, it seems like that's why it goes nowhere. There's so many people claiming to be Satanists, yet. There's no one holding public offices, there's none doing so many things to promote the belief of Satanism because they're all too busy fighting.

12:04:44 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, well, they even wrote that, you know, it seems like Satanists are like a bunch of rattlesnakes, that basically if the watch for biting each other, snapping each other, because, you know, we are selfish, ego driven human beings. And, you know, it comes down to it. The whole mass thought isn't really a way of Satanism. And I often say, you know, I think when LaVey started the CoS more to just get the word out about Satanism more than try to unite everybody. Because I mean, that's another... "uniting". That's kind of a sickening word to you know,

12:05:19 Doug Misicko: What do you think about Peter Gilmore, now he runs an operation?

12:05:23 Vincent Crowley: I haven't talked to him in a few years. I don't have a problem with them. I just you know, we haven't talked, spoken a few years. I think he's like, the perfect person to take over the CoS you know, after LaVey's passing. But like I said, I haven't talked to him a few years.

12:05:41 Shane Bugbee: So you got ACHERON back together, huh?

12:05:43 Vincent Crowley: Oh, yeah. The demon had to come back.

12:05:46 Shane Bugbee: That's pretty exciting.

12:05:48 Vincent Crowley: Oh, yeah. We have a new album coming out next month. And Don't be out on Black Lotus Records from Greece. And we're shopping around some US labels right now. And pretty excited.

12:06:00 Shane Bugbee: No more bourbon cult?

12:06:03 Vincent Crowley: Now we actually stopped work with them. After the anti-God anti-christ album. They're having a few problems. We were having little problems and we moved on to full moon to put up the next album. And we've always been kind of like a go from one level to another until we find the right one. And hopefully this one will be the one.

12:06:24 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, man, I remember you were on Jail America at one time. That's what you had hair.

12:06:31 Vincent Crowley: It was a total ripoff label right there.

12:06:33 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, you know what? I ended up buying that label in a... they were going to dump it in a dumpster. And they had all these great metal cassettes, CDs, cassettes, like 20,000. The guy's like, give me 1000 bucks for everything. I'm gonna throw it away.

12:06:49 Vincent Crowley: You must be the one that's selling it on eBay every week.

12:06:52 Shane Bugbee: No, that's not me no more. That's the guy who bought the other half.

12:06:56 Hart Fisher: I remember going to metal fest when you, actually I think I met you there, when you were you had like ACHERON rights to the black mass CDs.

12:07:03 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

12:07:04 Hart Fisher: Yeah, I heard that all sorts got funny.

12:07:07 Shane Bugbee: What?

12:07:09 Vincent Crowley: What can you do, the record labels, they suck.

12:07:12 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. What do you say? No, I didn't hear that. What what was funny.

12:07:16 Vincent Crowley: I said it's funny but the record labels and they all suck anyways.

12:07:19 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, and they were gonna throw away all this stuff. It was like my metal duty to save it. I didn't even really I wasn't that. I wanted one of each for myself. But I wasn't that interested. I was like, God, the guy's gonna throw it away. I've got to do this.

12:07:32 Vincent Crowley: That guy who owned that label is a complete fruitcake. I mean, actually, yeah, threaten them a few times. And he kind of like just disappeared.

12:07:40 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I don't know who he is. I just it was like some big record plant. They had him in the back and on a skid all full of dust and they just wanted him out of the factory.

12:07:48 Vincent Crowley: Yeah. You remember that time Detmer was really big. And they thought that, you know, they're gonna sell, you know, 500,000 copies of...

12:07:55 Shane Bugbee: They were a little bit ahead of their times Jail America.

12:07:58 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, definitely. Really underground bands on that one time but...

12:08:03 Amy Bugbee: Made Emperor, Impaled Nazarene...

12:08:06 Shane Bugbee: Impaled Nazarene, not Emperor...

12:08:07 Amy Bugbee: Okay.

12:08:08 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, like Samael and...

12:08:09 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, exactly.

12:08:14 Shane Bugbee: so this band that you work with? Are you on good terms with Thomas born barnboard. Dorn,

12:08:20 Vincent Crowley: Oh, yeah. He's no longer working with the band right now. He just couldn't fit in schedule anymore. But a...

12:08:28 Shane Bugbee: Schedule between drinking and working at the adult bookstore?

12:08:30 Vincent Crowley: There you go. You know, Tom as well.

12:08:35 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, we know him. He's a real, real piece of work.

12:08:41 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, we're still working with Richard there from Electric Hellfire Club.

12:08:45 Shane Bugbee: Well, he's a good guy.

12:08:46 Hart Fisher: Yeah, he's, he's been. Hopefully, I'll get together and do the full length album. But you know, after everybody's other bands are kind of moving out with the new album.

12:08:56 Shane Bugbee: And you're still with Lord airman?

12:08:59 Hart Fisher: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

12:09:00 Shane Bugbee: Now he's a great guy.

12:09:02 Vincent Crowley: Total help brother. You know, he's... Him and me, Collin Richter we work really well together. So we look forward to doing this again.

12:09:10 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, man, that's a good CD. real good CD.

12:09:14 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, we're getting some flack you know, in Europe, but you know, like to call us Nazis and all that stuff, but you know, fuck them.

12:09:22 Shane Bugbee: You are a Nazi, aren't you?

12:09:27 Vincent Crowley: But you know that all satanists are Nazis in the mainstream guys.

12:09:32 Doug Misicko: Are you touring?

12:09:34 Hart Fisher: We're hoping to beginning of next year after the album kind of gets out there. Probably go to Europe first. And as soon as we find the US District a licensing deal, we hope to the states too.

12:09:47 Doug Misicko: You guys big in the Norwegian territories?

12:09:49 Vincent Crowley: Hopefully. I definitely Yeah, we're just didn't do all Europe. And we have yet to do a full European tour. So we're looking forward to do that. Doug Misicko: You guys big in the Norwegian territories?

12:09:49 Vincent Crowley: Hopefully. I definitely Yeah, we're just didn't do all Europe. And we have yet to do a full European tour. So we're looking forward to do that.

12:10:00 Doug Misicko: Hardcore over there, burned down churches and everything. Youv'e got a nice solid following. Vincent Crowley: Hopefully. I definitely Yeah, we're just didn't do all Europe. And we have yet to do a full European tour. So we're looking forward to do that.

12:10:00 Doug Misicko: Hardcore over there, burned down churches and everything. Youv'e got a nice solid following.

12:10:05 Vincent Crowley: Marshmallow marshmallows on...

12:10:10 Amy Bugbee: It's a shame nothing like that happens in America.

12:10:13 Vincent Crowley: Well, I remember it did not too long ago. I mean, a couple years ago, there's some couple black guys that burned that church, but you don't hear about that too much.

12:10:22 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, exactly. When it did happened, they tried to make it a racist thing. They kept saying black churches were getting burned down. And when I actually read into it, only like six of the churches were really "black" churches.

12:10:36 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, well, sensationalism runs this country. You know this, the name of the paper on TV, no one gives a shit and they have to make it a little bit interesting and make us white folk, the butt of every joke.

12:10:47 Doug Misicko: Right? They keep feeding us this shit that people's religions are okay. Shouldn't be tolerated where I'm completely against religious Talat tolerance, we shouldn't tolerate any of it. It goes along with that idea that everybody should vote. Not everybody should vote some people are far too stupid to be able to vote. There should be some kind of intelligence testing beforehand.

12:11:10 Vincent Crowley: Oh, definitely. And realistically, you know, voting to me is just trying to make people look like they have some kind of power in their hands and no one really gives a shit what your opinion is, you know, they're gonna put who they want in charge and that's the way it's always been

12:11:26 Doug Misicko: They'll put whoever's gotten the most exposure in charge, because that's all they know. That's how you get a dipshit like George Jr. in there now.

12:11:34 Vincent Crowley: Oh, exactly.

12:11:35 Amy Bugbee: Well, it's bullshit. I mean, everyone thinks that America's democracy we're not a democracy. We don't elect our officials. We're a Republic we have our electorate decide for us.

12:11:44 Vincent Crowley: Oh, totally.

12:11:45 Amy Bugbee: They take care of us.

12:11:47 Vincent Crowley: I think it's kind of funny you know, the terminators trying out for you know California and I think one just because you know, he's a movie star and...

12:11:54 Doug Misicko: Absolutely that's where it's at now.

12:11:57 Vincent Crowley: He knows nothing about you know politics and but yeah, he looks good on TV. So...

12:12:03 Doug Misicko: Gephardt and Kerry keeps exploiting his family problems just to get the exposure he was behind the polls. Think it is a think it was Gephardt actually the one who comes out and says that his daughter's a lesbian now. Just for the exposure, it's pathetic.

12:12:20 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, well, his grandfather was a Nazi too. So you have to kind of apologize for that.

12:12:27 Doug Misicko: Na, that was Jr. We were talking about that earlier. Earlier yesterday, or whatever. Vincent Crowley: Yeah, well, his grandfather was a Nazi too. So you have to kind of apologize for that.

12:12:27 Doug Misicko: Na, that was Jr. We were talking about that earlier. Earlier yesterday, or whatever.

12:12:37 Shane Bugbee: You know, we're on the 24 hour marathon here.

12:12:40 Vincent Crowley: Excellent.

12:12:40 Shane Bugbee: And we're at 12 on the air, but we're on 24. Before that, so it's 36 right now.

12:12:45 Vincent Crowley: Oh, nice.

12:12:46 Amy Bugbee: It's gonna get ugly tonight. I'm sure.

12:12:50 Vincent Crowley: How are the reactions in the sales doing?

12:12:53 Shane Bugbee: Oh, we're almost, you know, as a matter of fact, it's amazing. I can't believe how quick we're selling this book. But I have a feeling by the end of the weekend. I'll be sold out of this printing.

12:13:03 Vincent Crowley: Wow.

12:13:04 Shane Bugbee: I saved you one, dude.

12:13:06 Vincent Crowley: Yeah. Excellent. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

12:13:08 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I got you one on the side. But uh, yeah, I'm pretty I'm impressed. I'm glad people are are wising up to it, you know.

12:13:15 Vincent Crowley: Well, the phylosohpy is smashed in the face if you read it. I mean, it's, it's kind of scary to a lot of people because it's reality. And, you know, a lot of people don't want to look at you know, life like that. I mean, we are animals, we are considered certain levels and, and guess what, if you're not in the top level, you're going to be consumed, you're going to be a slave, and people don't want to hear that they want to hear everything great. And we're all equal. And we also embrace each other, and that's a bunch of shit. Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I got you one on the side. But uh, yeah, I'm pretty I'm impressed. I'm glad people are are wising up to it, you know.

12:13:15 Vincent Crowley: Well, the phylosohpy is smashed in the face if you read it. I mean, it's, it's kind of scary to a lot of people because it's reality. And, you know, a lot of people don't want to look at you know, life like that. I mean, we are animals, we are considered certain levels and, and guess what, if you're not in the top level, you're going to be consumed, you're going to be a slave, and people don't want to hear that they want to hear everything great. And we're all equal. And we also embrace each other, and that's a bunch of shit.

12:13:45 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I have a dream to one day, be able to give my the right Might is Right away on street corners, practically.

12:13:52 Vincent Crowley: No, that was, you know, that it's just total knowledge and sort of reality. And, you know, when will they put, you know, parts of that in the Satanic Bible. I mean, even people that were more towards the occult and stuff, or you can't deny it. I mean, that's just the way things are. And if you're living in a, you know, Christian or Eastern way of thinking, I mean, it's not gonna, it's not gonna work. You can, you can sit around a Buddhist temple and you know, you know, talk about karma and all that bullshit, don't work.

12:14:28 Shane Bugbee: It's just truth and logic. That's, it's just the facts of the facts of the nature. You know.

12:14:33 Vincent Crowley: I've heard my whole life that, you know, people like us and Satanists are, are the most, you know, sneaky, you know, untrustworthy people. And I, you know, my reaction to that is, we just take where there's an opportunity, and if you're too much of a fucking dumb ass, you know, to get taken, that's your problem.

12:14:56 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Exactly. You get paid before you go on stage don't you Vincent?

12:15:02 Vincent Crowley: What's that?

12:15:03 Shane Bugbee: I said, you get paid before you step on stage, don't you?

12:15:06 Vincent Crowley: Oh, definitely.

12:15:07 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Your business man. And anyone who doesn't get paid before they get on stage? Hey, you're asking for trouble.

12:15:14 Vincent Crowley: Exactly.

12:15:15 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, trust is no, no good.

12:15:17 Vincent Crowley: And you learn to you know, I've dealt with record labels that you know, fucked us. So I've been on the other side too. So it's like, you know, you learn to get stronger and you learn from your mistakes and you get more you know, brutal.

12:15:31 Shane Bugbee: It's something you always got to pay for his education whether you go proper on the you know, learn from mistakes, you're gonna pay.

12:15:37 Vincent Crowley: Exactly. No, it's funny that you know, a book like this is so old, is just starting to get a little bit of reaction after so long. I mean, you're the one that's really push this and it's great to see I mean, he used to be just one Really underground book that you can never get. And it's great to see that, you know, other people's, you know, kids especially, you know, can kind of replace that a holy book allies with something that's worthwhile.

12:16:05 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. Should if there's one book I'll keep in print till the day I die, it's Might is Right. You know just people need it, they need a brick in the head sometimes.

12:16:15 Vincent Crowley: Exactly, exactly.

12:16:18 Doug Misicko: I don't know what these people want or need. Are they making any sense on the chat room right now?

12:16:24 Amy Bugbee: No, no. In fact, I asked them on the chat room if they have any questions for Vincent, and it... Like everyone stopped talking.

12:16:32 Doug Misicko: Trying not to get too cerebral, here. Because they're talking about beating off and rape hotlines to ask them how to commit rape and all that shit.

12:16:43 Shane Bugbee: They're afraid of Vincent a little, I think.

12:16:45 Amy Bugbee: Well, someone says your band is great. So there's some ass kisser out there.

12:16:52 Vincent Crowley: That's our second fan. I think.

12:16:55 Doug Misicko: Now, Vincent Crawley that's not your real name is it? Is it?!

12:16:59 Vincent Crowley: You know, I get that 50,000 times and I always tell people, it's my name. But even if it was it, would I tell anybody?

12:17:09 Amy Bugbee: Are you related to Alister Crowley?

12:17:12 Vincent Crowley: Not that I know of.

12:17:15 Doug Misicko: That's good.

12:17:16 Shane Bugbee: Yes. Good.

12:17:19 Vincent Crowley: We might be two big old ugly guys. But that's about the extent of it I think.

12:17:25 Shane Bugbee: You know, was another band you are touring with. I mean, throughout Ohio, right?

12:17:30 Hart Fisher: Last summer, yeah. I went on. I did vocals for Incantation on the last tour.

12:17:35 Shane Bugbee: That's radical man.

12:17:36 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, really cool, guys. They're kind of in a fix when they lost their singer. And they're touring for the new album. And I helped them out. And once I did the States and Europe with them.

12:17:47 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, that's a good band.

12:17:48 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, definitely.

12:17:49 Doug Misicko: So you get any groupies?

12:17:52 Vincent Crowley: Groupies, Death Metal groupies. I just consider like, sluts to hangout is just, you know, shows, you know, different. I can't imagine a death metal groupie.

12:18:04 Doug Misicko: Well, do you fuck girls after they watch your show?

12:18:07 Vincent Crowley: Oh, yeah, I would say so.

12:18:11 Doug Misicko: Any wild stories of abuse and degradation?

12:18:15 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, but you know, I can't really go there. I feel like getting any lawsuits.

12:18:20 Amy Bugbee: Come on.

12:18:24 Vincent Crowley: In New York, I should admit that when I was kind of entertaining.

12:18:28 Shane Bugbee: Vincent, what do you think about the World Trade Center? You know, it's sort of I was, I was thrilled when I saw those towers fall wondering what you thought?

12:18:38 Vincent Crowley: Well, you know, I thought that was more of a slap in the face to us to say that, you know, we're a little too comfortable with ourselves. And we think we're such bad ass country that we can sit back and not watch our surroundings and trust everybody that comes in the country. So I don't really feel either way good or bad. I just, you know, the only thing bad I would feel is that I could have been in the damn building and that would have pissed me off.

12:19:06 Shane Bugbee: I'm gonna bet you would have got out.

12:19:08 Vincent Crowley: Well, yeah, I don't think I'd be you know, that's just a target there.

12:19:11 Shane Bugbee: You know, when the building one building on the side blows up and they ask "Should we leave?" I'm gonna bet Vincent, you wouldn't ask. Am I right?

12:19:20 Vincent Crowley: Oh, man. I'd be out of there in a minuite.

12:19:22 Shane Bugbee: Would've been rolling over old ladies "get out of my way". Vincent Crowley: Oh, man. I'd be out of there in a minuite.

12:19:22 Shane Bugbee: Would've been rolling over old ladies "get out of my way".

12:19:25 Vincent Crowley: Exactly. I mean, the reality is, you know, you know, those rag heads over there. They are in constant training. They are they are trained to be predators at all times while we sit around eat potato chips watching, you know, reality TV, it's like, you know, it's we are a lazy country, and, but we're the most pissed off people in the world. And I just think it's time for us to like, embrace our predator ways and start just stepping up to the plate again.

12:20:00 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, but isn't it really bizarre that they're trained by our government to be warriors and soldiers?

12:20:06 Vincent Crowley: Oh, totally. I mean, come on. I mean, government is the most corrupt thing in the world. I mean, a bunch of puppeteers, you know, and I hate politics as much as I hate religion. And, you know, they all can go flushed down the toilet, bring, you know, anarchy to the world.

12:20:26 Doug Misicko: Well, nothing underscored the stupidity of America more than we get hit by Islamic fundamentalists, and then have to sit through christian fundamentalists talking about how it was the homos that caused it. Or that they're any different. Or listening to asshole academics on NPR talking about how that's not the real Islam. Which is crock of shit you ever look at the Koran. It's all about that kind of crap. Beating bitches... killing infidels.

12:20:57 Vincent Crowley: It's you know, when you get down to it all those religious you know the white light religions, they all are a bunch of shit and they should be disposed of. And if they aren't doing this, they should be treated like the slaves they are.

12:21:10 Doug Misicko: What about the pseudo president? What do you think should become him?

12:21:14 Vincent Crowley: The President? Yeah I don't even follow that shit. I mean never have.

12:21:22 Doug Misicko: What about john ashcroft? What about john ashcroft? What do you think of that man?

12:21:29 Vincent Crowley: I'm not too familiar with him.

12:21:31 Doug Misicko: You're shitting me.

12:21:32 Vincent Crowley: Na.

12:21:33 Doug Misicko: He's the enemy.

12:21:35 Vincent Crowley: Oh, yeah?

12:21:36 Doug Misicko: Yeah. All right.

12:21:37 Shane Bugbee: Vincent just said, he's just not into the politics. He knows already. It's a sham. So he gave up listening a long time ago.

12:21:44 Doug Misicko: More power to you.

12:21:46 Vincent Crowley: Yeah. It's good to like turn on TV and not know half the people that are on it.

12:21:51 Shane Bugbee: I'm with you there, man.

12:21:53 Doug Misicko: But it's best if there's not even any face shots of them.

12:22:00 Vincent Crowley: I don't know. It's just you know, politics and religion is they go hand in hand, and they should just jump off the same building and end it all. I mean, there has to be a little chaos to bring true order this world again.

12:22:14 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, there you hit the nail on the head.

12:22:16 Vincent Crowley: But funny, when I was doing the Wolfen Society project. I wrote the album back in 98. And it's just been a long process. The whole concept was about this whole world kind of getting brought up in the rise of hating, you know, each race and hating each religion and just brews up until total anarchy happens. And terrorism happens and all this ma'am. And, you know, a couple years later trades that are happening. So it's kind of funny. I think so too. I mean, it was totally you could totally predict this is gonna happen. I mean, everybody accurate there were so shocked. But, you know, like I said, we've become weak, lazy individuals in the society over here.

12:23:03 Amy Bugbee: Well, you sound like President Bush's address to the people last week. He said it happened because we were decadent and weak.

12:23:14 Vincent Crowley: Well, at least you maybe that's the one thing he said, Right. I mean...

12:23:19 Amy Bugbee: I think he paid him to do it. So he could implement martial law myself.

12:23:23 Shane Bugbee: No, I think. No, I saw that should happen. I said someone didn't get paid. You know, someone doesn't pay me. I throw a brick through the fucking window. I think there was some deal that didn't get followed through with and they said you fucking you know, he's like, Fuck you. What do you guys got a bunch of sand and you know, peashooters and they said, okay, motherfucker. Bring it on. Now. You should have followed through that deal.

12:23:43 Vincent Crowley: Well, I've been hearing too, that they're talking about wanting to take people's guns away. And hey, that will never happen. I'll tell you what, you know, someone tried to take mine away. They're gonna get a bullet in their head.

12:23:53 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, exactly. You ever live in a big? Like? I live in Chicago? Have you ever been there for like a New Year's Eve or a what else? We're also New Year's Eve is the big one. Fourth of July. But New Year's Eve, right? It's amazing when the folks start shooting off their guns, the depth and the levels of gunfire that's going off in the city that doesn't allow guns, it's fucking unreal. It's like Vietnam. I don't think... Yeah, they could never take away the guns. I mean, you know in America will they'll shoot back?

12:24:25 Oh, definitely.

12:24:26 Doug Misicko: I'm not against gun ownership...

12:24:28 Vincent Crowley: I'm friends with some of the good old boys. I guarantee you no one's gonna take their guns away. And they're pretty armed to the tilt, you know?

12:24:34 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, exactly.

12:24:35 Doug Misicko: I just still hate the NRA because you got a bunch of dumb fucks in there who think that as long as they have their guns they are still free. And that really ain't the case.

12:24:44 Vincent Crowley: You know, it just goes down to organizations in general. just suck at Yeah, that's why I'm really not affiliated with any anymore. It's just, you know, I can I know exactly what I want to do in my life. I know what I want to represent myself. I know what I want to have in my house. I know exactly how I want to indulge myself. Fuck everybody else. That's my whole opinion. You know, I don't need someone to dictate a rule here or this there. And bunch of horseshit. You know, if I step over someone's line and get into their territory, and guess what I get, I'll get responded to hopefully just like I would respond to them. And you know, people just live by that Charles Manson ideal of living within your own circle. I think they would be a lot better.

12:25:29 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. That's it. That is it. So Vincent, your top five metal bands today?

12:25:38 Vincent Crowley: Um, I'm the old school so I'm gonna have to go back in the past. Venom, merciful fate. Celtic Frost, Blair, Slayer and Bathery.

12:25:54 Shane Bugbee: That's it man. You got a good you got a good taste man. Of course Slayer is the all time best fucking metal band in the world.

12:26:03 Amy Bugbee: Of course, Venom is first on his list.

12:26:05 Shane Bugbee: Doesn't matter Slayer beat him. Fucking line those albums up, Slayer will dominate.

12:26:12 Vincent Crowley: That's old Slayer. I mean...

12:26:14 Shane Bugbee: You're right but all the way up to rain and raining blood but they'll dominate venom because Venoim didn't put out as much that just didn't mean...

12:26:21 Vincent Crowley: That's true. That's true, man.

12:26:23 Shane Bugbee: Like hell awaits.

12:26:25 I'd say they're pretty equal.

12:26:27 What was that one live album? "This is for all those little cunts that spread their legs and..." that's great shit man. The best.

12:26:34 Vincent Crowley: Really good. There we go.

12:26:37 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

12:26:38 Vincent Crowley: It's a love song. What can you do?

12:26:43 Shane Bugbee: Fucking slayer is my favorite all time band. And ACHERON is running a closed 18. No, I'm joking. No, I love ACHERON man. I've always been a fan, like I said, since you had hair.

12:26:55 Vincent Crowley: Great. Well, I think you'll like the new one a lot better the old stuff we've kind of gotten more towards. It's like music. The musicianship kind of evolved in the last time but the wrongness of the first album.

12:27:08 Shane Bugbee: Anymore Peter Gilmore on it?

12:27:10 Vincent Crowley: No, in fact, we actually took keyboards out completely on this album, we've drawn more for our raw guitar oriented sound. So...

12:27:17 Shane Bugbee: Old school.

12:27:19 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, definitely. So we're looking forward to putting this out kind of like our new album is called rebirth. And it basically is basically a rebirth of the band we're getting. We hope to get out there more do a little bit more touring and busting people's skulls in.

12:27:35 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, when is that album gonna be out? You think you shopping the label now, so you don't know. Huh?

12:27:40 Vincent Crowley: It's actually going to be out in October in Europe. It is just we're looking for licensing deals over here and South America and Japan right now.

12:27:51 Amy Bugbee: So is there anywhere to download any of your music?

12:27:54 Vincent Crowley: Next week, hopefully there'll be some mp3 is on the new site we're working on. And that said a www ACHERON666 dot com.

12:28:06 Amy Bugbee: What do you think about tim McVeigh?

12:28:09 Vincent Crowley: Hey, stepped up to the plate.

12:28:13 Shane Bugbee: Man, you know, I like you, Vincent. You're all right.

12:28:17 Vincent Crowley: You know, my whole thing is this. If you do something and you take responsibility for it, I have no problem with it. You know if you if you can take your lashings, fine. Yeah, I talked to Richard Ramirez one time and, you know, I asked him about the murders. And I was like, so why'd you do it? And he's like, "because it got me off and I liked it." I said, "so you don't blame Satan?" He says, "no, I just worship Satan."

12:28:42 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, you know, he's my favorite serial killer because he's always admitted it and spoke about how he enjoyed it.

12:28:49 Vincent Crowley: Exactly.

12:28:50 Shane Bugbee: I know I'm with you total like even the guys who are shooting abortion doctors and really crazy fundamentalist Christians or whatever. I I don't care because they're like, they're putting it all on the line. They're fucking insane. That's great.

12:29:03 Doug Misicko: Carl Panzram never apologized.

12:29:06 Shane Bugbee: Well, he's great, too. He's might... Yeah, he's the best. Richard was a heterosexual though. Carl Panzram was fucking...

12:29:12 Doug Misicko: He was a sodomite, that's true.

12:29:15 Shane Bugbee: He drops down a couple notches. Exactly.

12:29:22 What was that, Vincent?

12:29:23 Vincent Crowley: I said, you got to appreciate the heterosexual murderers better.

12:29:26 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. I mean, Richard, you know, the great thing about Richard is he raped some women and let them go because they were good or whatever. He said, you go, you go. You live and you die.

12:29:38 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, I think he just got confused. I think some of the women maybe liked it. So you know.

12:29:42 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

12:29:43 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

12:29:45 Doug Misicko: Yeah, I think you'd be surprised how many women you would run into who would be turned on by the idea.

12:29:51 Shane Bugbee: I'm not. Nine out of 10 Oh my God. What is happening?

12:29:55 Vincent Crowley: I'm definitely not shocked at that at all. I'm a magnet for that stuff.

12:30:06 Amy Bugbee: He can break in my house any day.

12:30:12 Vincent Crowley: While the police say they're fine.

12:30:20 Amy Bugbee: What was that letter he wrote to Shane? Richard Ramirez, the movie California.

12:30:26 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. I wish I remembered how he signed if it was something like on a cold run a warm summer night. Do it all again. It was so easy. So easy. Yeah, I was great.

12:30:41 Hart Fisher: Richard's entertaining, man. He's like having a conversation with some 80s like AC DC fan. It's funny as hell.

12:30:48 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. He's stuck right there where he got arrested.

12:30:51 Vincent Crowley: Oh, totally. That's funny because we were talking about like different like occultist practices and we were talking about the temple the vampire about their their concept of drain lifeforce from people. And someone who got executed at prison he's at. And he was like, yeah, I sucked the lifeforce just got so into it, was beautiful. He embraces death so greatly.

12:31:18 Shane Bugbee: That's funny, man. Yeah, he's cool.

12:31:21 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, definitely.

12:31:22 Shane Bugbee: He's cool.

12:31:25 Vincent Crowley: He didn't... I guess you guys don't have any death threats. You're doing okay.

12:31:30 Shane Bugbee: No death threats. We're gonna go up to Detroit and try to get stabbed or shot. This weekend. We're going up there to do a book signing and some sort of event. Vincent Crowley: He didn't... I guess you guys don't have any death threats. You're doing okay.

12:31:30 Shane Bugbee: No death threats. We're gonna go up to Detroit and try to get stabbed or shot. This weekend. We're going up there to do a book signing and some sort of event.

12:31:38 Amy Bugbee: The SexPo

12:31:39 Doug Misicko: We've tried to provoke the Campus Crusade for Christ.

12:31:42 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, doing Nior Leather, dude?

12:31:45 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, Nior leather in the... Yeah, exactly. You've been to nior leather.

12:31:48 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, I lived in Detroit briefly for about a year and a half.

12:31:52 Shane Bugbee: I'm sorry to hear that.

12:31:54 Vincent Crowley: So am I, actually.

12:31:55 Doug Misicko: Where were you at?

12:31:57 Vincent Crowley: I lived in Brightmoore which is pretty much gheto-town. We were like very white boys. That rent a house that had a band practicing, so...

12:32:04 Shane Bugbee: Brightmoore? Did you say?

12:32:06 Vincent Crowley: Yeah. Shane Bugbee: Brightmoore? Did you say?

12:32:06 Vincent Crowley: Yeah.

12:32:07 Doug Misicko: Brightmoore? I don't know it.

12:32:09 Amy Bugbee: Doug lives in Detroit too.

12:32:12 Vincent Crowley: Ya, not exactly something to brag about. But hey, you know...

12:32:16 Doug Misicko: Is it northward? Is it north of Detroit?

12:32:20 Vincent Crowley: It's actually in Detroit. I mean, it's right near the city.

12:32:23 Doug Misicko: All right.

12:32:24 Vincent Crowley: Here trying to remember the roads It's been so long not telegraph or...

12:32:33 Shane Bugbee: Fuck it. All of Detroit sucks.

12:32:34 Vincent Crowley: Yeah. Pretty much.

12:32:38 Doug Misicko: You should have been there for the blackout.

12:32:41 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, I just remember I lived there that like how was it Halloween... Devil's Night they shut down everything and they wouldn't let you go out.

12:32:48 Doug Misicko: God damn right. Devil's Night. That is where it's at with Detroit.

12:32:52 Vincent Crowley: Exactly.

12:32:52 Amy Bugbee: What, is it martial law night, now?

12:32:54 Vincent Crowley: It was, pretty much I mean you got caught going out without you know going to work or something. You get arrested.

12:33:00 Doug Misicko: That night does that city some good they tried to stop it but what the fuck you got all these abandoned crack houses and shit coming apart?

12:33:08 Vincent Crowley: They'll blow a car up. Our next door neighbor was a crackhead got cold and burnt down his house, we laughed at him while his house is burning.

12:33:16 Doug Misicko: That happens a lot. Those stupid fuckers down there, it gets real cold in the winter they start a fire in their house, burn it down.

12:33:21 Vincent Crowley: Exactly. Put the sofa on fire, that'll keep us warm.

12:33:25 Doug Misicko: It's the city of fire.

12:33:29 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, but you know Washington I guess is kicking their ass and the murder thing. So they're still living there. Energy there.

12:33:37 Doug Misicko: Yeah, there was a guy there to Rana. I don't know if you ever saw it. There's a street the Heidelberg, downtown. And this guy did what he called the Heidelberg project. He hung up all this shit. He called art. You know, junk pile stuff, just piles of it. Looked really cool, had quite an effect. You know, he has it hanging from the trees and everything else little dolls and doll parts and mannequins, and just random junk that he's all got painted and everything else. And actually, the overall effect when you went down the street was interesting, and people would come from a distance just to see it. The city insisted that he take it apart because I guess they thought they were fucking fooling people and pretending that there's something else was going to happen with that territory. Obviously, if it's abandoned and worthless, let them do what they will.

12:34:26 Vincent Crowley: I get to it and see that...

12:34:28 Doug Misicko: They're not killing anybody. When they say there's something going on with Detroit.

12:34:35 Amy Bugbee: Someone in the chat room was asking if you've ever met Charles Manson.

12:34:40 Vincent Crowley: No, he actually woke me out of the blue, which was kind of bizarre because he had read something I wrote. And I guess a girl that was in contact with him sent it to him and he sent me a letter kind of critiquing what I said and pretty interesting. Definitely a Manson letter.

12:35:01 Doug Misicko: Did he like what you said or not?

12:35:03 Vincent Crowley: Some of it. I mean, believe it or not, a lot of the stuff that he critiques that I was too brutal and heartless with people. I thought, "Well, come on, Charlie. Let's look at your stuff."

12:35:21 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I got I've got... I used to correspond with Manson here and there. He's a funny one. Real poet.

12:35:27 Vincent Crowley: Yeah. And he talks to the riddles and you're like, Yeah, you got to really read his writings and listen to his interviews from the past to kind of even get to understand what he's talking about.

12:35:38 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, but when you do, he's okay.

12:35:40 Vincent Crowley: Oh, definitely.

12:35:41 Shane Bugbee: He's all right. A lot of people like Doug here have no appreciation for Manson.

12:35:46 Vincent Crowley: Oh, I know. I mean, Manson straight to the Yeah, he's, he's basically on the road. Learning your lessons by life. That's the way it is, you know? And you know a lot of people just want to open a book and get their, you know, information.

12:36:02 Shane Bugbee: Get a fucking job at a bookstore.

12:36:04 Vincent Crowley: Exactly.

12:36:05 Shane Bugbee: Immature fucks.

12:36:06 Amy Bugbee: So do you know if any of the candidates for California Governor are have pardoning Charles Manson on their agenda?

12:36:14 Vincent Crowley: Oh, I didn't know that.

12:36:16 Amy Bugbee: I want to find the one that does. There's got to be one.

12:36:20 Vincent Crowley: Maybe.

12:36:21 Amy Bugbee: He didn't do anything.

12:36:23 Vincent Crowley: I mean, come on. What's his face from different strokes can do it? Amy Bugbee: He didn't do anything.

12:36:23 Vincent Crowley: I mean, come on. What's his face from different strokes can do it?

12:36:29 Shane Bugbee: Good old good, Gary.

12:36:32 Vincent Crowley: I hear he was trying to run for governor and give them the was approved the weed act? I gotta say, I got the Arnold puff the fuckin joint in the middle of...

12:36:45 Shane Bugbee: I can see him smoking a joint but it's not gonna be filled with weed.

12:36:48 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, exactly. Well, now we know why he doesn't grow.

12:36:53 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

12:36:55 Amy Bugbee: All the bongs stunted his growth.

12:36:57 Vincent Crowley: Exactly. Started young.

12:37:01 Shane Bugbee: So hey, man, any tour is going on?

12:37:03 Vincent Crowley: Not yet. So we're, we're doing like a Halloween show, I think in Pittsburgh, and we're doing a November 1 show. Probably here in Columbus. That's where we reside now. But that's about it till next year until we actually get the album kind of out there.

12:37:20 Shane Bugbee: Oh, that's cool. So you're doing some one updates here and there.

12:37:23 Vincent Crowley: Yeah, we're trying to work in a second guitar if we're thinking about hiring in... so yeah, see how that works out.

12:37:31 Shane Bugbee: Right on man. Hey, what's that website again?

12:37:36 Vincent Crowley: www ashran 666 dot com

12:37:40 Shane Bugbee: Right on man. Any last words?

12:37:43 Vincent Crowley: Thanks for having me on. And best of luck with the book and reek some havoc out there.

12:37:48 Shane Bugbee: Right on brother.

12:37:49 Amy Bugbee: Thanks a lot.

12:37:50 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Vincent. It was great talking to you, man. You're you're you're you're something...

12:37:56 Vincent Crowley: That's what they say.

12:37:58 Shane Bugbee: You're alright, man.

12:38:00 Vincent Crowley: Hey, bro. Good talking to you guys. Have a good night.

12:38:03 Amy Bugbee: Tune in to the show if you can.

12:38:05 Vincent Crowley: I will definitely.

12:38:08 Shane Bugbee: ...he's a fucking satanist.

12:38:10 Vincent Crowley: Rattlesnake, Brother. What can you say?

12:38:16 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

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Kenn Thomas Interview

14:19:15 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, I can hear you.

14:19:18 Doug Misicko: Yep.

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14:19:21 Doug Misicko: Okay, we have Kenn Thomas with steamshovel press, check out his material at steamshovelpress.com. He's the author of several books of the conspiratorial vein. And we wanted to ask him a few things about September 11. What do you think happened, Ken?

14:19:39 Kenn Thomas: Well, obviously a couple of planes crashed into some buildings. But I think the least of what you can say about it is if the current administration was not directly involved, in the, in that distraction, then they have taken advantage of it to kind of, you know, push forward their agenda and increase their power. Which is, which is actually kind of an old old tactic. You know, it goes back to Hitler and the Reichstag fire to actually, you know, be involved in creating terror called the strategy attention. At lease, that's what it was called by Sanguinetti, the type two writer, situationist is writer in Italy, that is to keep the world terrorized in order to further your own power. That's what I think happened.

14:20:22 Doug Misicko: Certainly. Obviously, they took advantage of it to the fullest extent, but they took advantage of it rather quickly. And it's re-, it's almost been the basis of this administration. Do you think that lends credibility to the idea that they had something to do with the very cause?

14:20:38 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, well, I mean, it seems pretty clear that they're planning to invade Iraq, you know, certainly predates 911, and Iraq, you know, kind of tenuous connection or no connection at all to, to 911 kind of gives the lie to the, to the idea that that's why we're over there. But, you know, I'm here in LA right now, because I'm going to give a talk on this topic and peripherally related topics, as is seen under this concept of the octopus, and that bush and and friends actually belong to this transnational power group that this is taken over and is in charge and does not you know, consider things... I mean, if they wanted to put somebody into the presidency, they just did it. They didn't care about the electoral process. And and this topic, you know, which is which is this book that I co-wrote with, with Jim Keith covers, basically a lot of ground gives you a more thorough picture of what is actually happening, then you might get thinking that you're, you know, you live in a free country where, you know, your vote matters and that kind of thing.

14:21:48 Doug Misicko: So what exactly is the octopus? How is it felt that they operate?

14:21:53 Kenn Thomas: Well, the octopus is is actually a begin with a group of covert intelligence operatives right after the war, former OSS people, but it's in some of these people are clearly identifiable players. It's kind of hard to get at the core of that, because obviously, it's a conspiracy as a secret group. And recently, you've actually seen a number of resignations from W's administration that are like limited hangout type resignations, to you know, deflect any attention towards, away from from the main piece, the main octopus, I mean, that includes things like Richard Perle, who read resigned after it was exposed before the Iraq war that he was making attempts to profiteer from it by having meetings with Adnan Khashoggi, who was like one of the major characters that Danny Caballero was investigating. And Caballero is the writer who first came up with this concept of "the octopus". And a lot of the people that he identified and a lot of the the processes and the dynamics of politics. Keep coming back into the news. Richard Perle was one another one was John Poindexter, Kessler wrote about this guy. Back during the Iran Contra days. Poindexter was was actually convicted of Iran-contra crimes and all that was overthrown. He had to resign, of course, because he was part of that total information awareness office that was was part of the DARPA and his idea that you could create a kind of a stock market based on predicting terrorist activities was so incendiary, so inflammatory that he was forced to resign. But if you recall, that's exactly what happened on 911. After the towers came down, there was a tremendous short selling spree and people made a fortune off of it. So, you know, it's obvious you know, that somebody knew something in advance.

14:23:49 Doug Misicko: John Poindexter was also recognized as a drug runner.

14:23:53 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, yeah. No In America, the big the big drunk runner is actually a guy named Richard Armitage, who is like Colin Powell's First Lieutenant. Armitage has long ago been exposed, is actually exposed by a guy named Beau Grice, who is this former Green Beret who's also been kind of dismissed as a crazy conspiracy theories. But he went over to Vietnam and he was hired by Ross Perot and he went over to Vietnam to investigate the drugs to basically investigate the POWs but in the process, also the drug trade in the Golden Triangle. And he got videotape statements from one of the great drug lords in Southeast Asia, Khun Sa, saying that the guy that he deals with in our government is Richard Armitage. And now he's a deputy Deputy Secretary of State. So yeah, that's what this is all about. That's what they have fantasy. And war is all about the production of heroin, there is something like 900%. And they make this this fortune on the international drug trade. And that goes to fund Black Ops, and all these other things, all that also flows all the part of, you know, a power conglomerate that has very little to do with the United States, or Britain, or Israel, or any of these supposedly individualized countries. It's all again, a transnational Corporation, almost but, you know, Corporation that's not really set up in terms of making money but in terms of keeping tremendous amounts of power and control in the hands of very few people.

14:25:22 Doug Misicko: Now, Caballero who, who unveiled this idea of the octopus was he was found dead in mysterious circumstances, was he not?

14:25:29 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, yeah. But actually, back in 1992, he was found in a West Virginia hotel room with his wrist slashed. And in fact, I believe that that gives him the right to, to become a verb. And whenever you see people who have committed suicide under mysterious circumstances, I refer to them as being Caballero'd, because that's precisely what happened. Vefore he died, he was telling his friends that if he got into an accident, don't believe it. He said that he was right on the trail of like this one piece of information that would have solidly made the case for the octopus, and that was that was the very night that he died.

14:26:08 Doug Misicko: Now, how does Caballero's octopus differ from other people's Illuminati?

14:26:16 Kenn Thomas: That's a very good question. There are any number of theories about secret power. Illuminati is one of them. Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, Tavistock Institute, there are in fact, dozens of power blocks. And I'm not saying they don't exist, and they exist...instead the octopus is what's real, and those aren't. So I think they kind of exist side by side. And of course, the Illuminati is a very, very old conspiracy plot and the octopus, and basically, you see it more in terms of kind of modern politics, post post war politics, you know, I don't think they're contradictory ideas, if that's what you're asking.

14:26:58 Doug Misicko: So what do you think the ultimate goal of the octopus is?

14:27:02 Kenn Thomas: Power, world control, keeping people in slaves, there's an interesting dimension of it, that kind of extends it out into space, you know? These are the same people. A big part of the story of the octopus is the PROMIS software, which is this super surveillance software that is that is running the ECHELON satellites, now. The satellites that can take your picture of your license plate from space. There, they use a fusion framing technique that's based on this promise software. And the Star Wars initiative is part of this. It's always going on in the background. In fact, part of Caballero's research was to document the mysterious death of a long list of defense contractors working for SDI people came to know too much very similar to the list now, of the microbiologists who are dying. People who have advanced knowledge of bio warfare around the world... only the latest, most visible one was that David Kelly guy in the UK. And so yeah, so there's a dimension of it that that has to do with that with the total control of people and expansion of the military power block around the world and in space, you know, all of this connects actually. And all these were topics Caballero studied Area 51, Pine Gap in Australia, the the Raytheon's listening posts for the ECHELON satellite systems across the country. So it's basically kind of like an evil plot to take over the universe.

14:28:40 Doug Misicko: Okay, I don't know about the microbiologist in the UK. I knew of one in Tennessee. There was...

14:28:46 Kenn Thomas: That was actually that was Don Wiley. I'm from that part of the world. I'm in Missouri, but yeah, the Don Wiley was the guy that was forced off the bridge or committed suicide by going off the bridge. But he was really one of only only one of at least two dozen. And the most famous one is is David Kelly guy who was the the UN inspector in Iraq who was saying that Tony Blair and his government and then sexing up the, the data they had concerning the WMDs. And but he was also a microbiologist. Not only that he was a microbiologist, who helped deprief, deprief, debrief Victor Sandakchiev (sic), who was a Soviet defector, a microbiologist who died under mysterious circumstances. But there have been others, there was another guy in Australia who was found in like a freezer locker and one of these like seen right out of The X-Files. And this circulates. I mean, you can get up on the web and just, you know, type in microbiologists. So you can see that there are dozens of the forms of pattern.

14:29:46 Doug Misicko: Okay, there's a pattern in there dying, but what for? What do you think is the end to this? I'm sure...

14:29:52 Kenn Thomas: There's a tremendously sophisticated program of biological warfare and bacteriological warfare, and people who have an advanced knowledge once they become less useful. They have to be killed. So that knowledge doesn't get out. I mean, it's a common practice again, and when the Marconi defense contractors for the FBI, these were super computer experts, who, who helped construct the Star Wars defense net. And once their usefulness was, was over, as researchers, you know, their usefulness of their life was over for the powers that be and they were all. Clearly, I think, killed. Now you can make a case that all this is coincidental. And this whole idea that mysterious death, actually goes back to the Kennedy assassination. All the witnesses and all the researchers who had information about who was really involved there comprise a long list of coincidental death. But of course, as somebody who, you know, I spend my time writing about conspiracies, and I, you know, I believe that you should not dismiss as coincidence, anything that can be explained as conspiracy, because more often than not, that proves to be true. And I think that's what's happening with a microbiologist.

14:31:04 Shane Bugbee: Amy?

14:31:05 Amy Bugbee: So, Kenn everything you're saying... I mean, I absolutely believe it's true, but it sounds so hopeless. What can people do? Where do we start to...

14:31:14 Shane Bugbee: Manure bombs?

14:31:18 Kenn Thomas: Nothing you can do it's just totally helpless. No, not really. I don't really have that answer. I'm sure the answers is as individual, as there are people who want to do something about it.

14:31:28 Shane Bugbee: I think I saw an answer on...

14:31:30 Kenn Thomas: You have to recognize what it is before you can do anything about it. So I'm not going to sit here and say "go vote for Howard Dean". Or, you know, go out and pick up a sign of protest sign on the weekend. Try to make a statement. All that seems really kind of futile. In fact, I've been working with a copy editor for this new edition of the octopus. There's a new edition of the octopus being published by feral house, that according to Adam Parfrey, it will be out in November. And...

14:32:00 Shane Bugbee: Who?

14:32:01 Kenn Thomas: Adam Parfrey, feral house, you guys know him?

14:32:04 Shane Bugbee: Oh, I think I remember him.

14:32:08 Doug Misicko: I am familiar, of course... yeah. Shane Bugbee: Oh, I think I remember him.

14:32:08 Kenn Thomas: Anyways, this new edition of the octopus coming out. And I've been dealing, I had to deal with a copy editor working on the manuscript to help, you know, bring it up to speed, all the current information. And in the end, when she did all this work, I suggested to her that she put her name in the acknowledgments. And she said, "Oh, no, no, no, no, I don't want to do that." And then right after all that work was done, she came back and she said she was going to go to work for the Dean campaign in Vermont. And it seemed so queer to me that she didn't want to attach her name to this crazy conspiracy stuff because she needed a certain amount of credibility. You know, she didn't want to bring that to her work with the Dean campaign. So so I really think that this right left dialogue that supposedly goes on the crossfire kind of thing or the supposed to debate that you hear on the Fox News, that's all false dialogue, and has so little to do with the actual strength and power that, you know, you can you can manipulate entire populations in totally irrelevancy. So my effort, in as what we should do about, what I do about it, I write these books. I go out lecture and just try to, you know, point to the to the real beast here. So, but, you know, everybody has their own answer that question, I guess. Doug Misicko: I am familiar, of course... yeah.

14:32:09 Kenn Thomas: Anyways, this new edition of the octopus coming out. And I've been dealing, I had to deal with a copy editor working on the manuscript to help, you know, bring it up to speed, all the current information. And in the end, when she did all this work, I suggested to her that she put her name in the acknowledgments. And she said, "Oh, no, no, no, no, I don't want to do that." And then right after all that work was done, she came back and she said she was going to go to work for the Dean campaign in Vermont. And it seemed so queer to me that she didn't want to attach her name to this crazy conspiracy stuff because she needed a certain amount of credibility. You know, she didn't want to bring that to her work with the Dean campaign. So so I really think that this right left dialogue that supposedly goes on the crossfire kind of thing or the supposed to debate that you hear on the Fox News, that's all false dialogue, and has so little to do with the actual strength and power that, you know, you can you can manipulate entire populations in totally irrelevancy. So my effort, in as what we should do about, what I do about it, I write these books. I go out lecture and just try to, you know, point to the to the real beast here. So, but, you know, everybody has their own answer that question, I guess.

14:33:23 Doug Misicko: I'm actually surprised at the lack of conspiracy material about September 11. It seems so, so ripe for it. I thought it would be more popular than Kennedy. Not long afterwards, project censored and their 2003 edition, released discrepancies in the 911 story or questionable items, including the FBI helping the bin Laden family flee the US after 911. The role of Pakistan's military intelligence agency in the 911 attacks. Osama bin Laden and his meeting with the CIA in July of 2001. 911 warnings from foreign governments, US Air Force delay scrambling interceptors on 911 and the Bush-bin Laden connection from the Carlyle Group, the US planned invasion of Afghanistan before 911, which they took the opportunity from 911 to carry out a plan that was already pre written. Insider stock trading disclosed on companies impacted by 911. There was some some insider dealings that seem people had advanced warning that 911 was going to happen. US government congressional responses to 911, which was a lot of them seem to have plans worked out in advance.

14:34:44 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, well, there's a lot of stuff like that. There's also a tremendous pressure to put a spin on it and to, to try to get people to forget the real question. There's a very good book by a friend of mine named Len Bracken called the shadow government that Lenin wrote just after 911 when all of the news stories were fresh, and it's like an almanac of all the questions that... all the problems, like the short selling spree that we're just talking about before, and all the different aspects that lead to conspiracy and behind the scenes, manipulation of 911. It's like a snapshot of that immediate moment in history. And it's a book that you can keep going back, you know, you can see what is being said now, and go back to what the questions really were then, and see what the matchups are and what the disconnects are.

14:35:35 Doug Misicko: What are the disconnects?

14:35:38 Kenn Thomas: What's that?

14:35:38 Doug Misicko: Right off the top of your head, what were some of the disconnects?

14:35:41 Unknown: Well, the main one that comes to mind now is this short selling spree, which is always a clear indication. First off again, John Poindexter, basically fired from his job because he was trying to formalize it and trying to create a market that was based on terrorist predictions where in fact pattern. Another book of mine, called "Mind control, Oswald and JFK", goes into detail about this short selling spree that happened after Kennedy was shot. And you know who the beneficiary of that was? Warren Buffett, Warren Buffett began to make his fortune, because he apparently had advanced knowledge of what was happening, what was going to happen on stock markets, right when Kennedy was shot on in November 1963.

14:36:29 Doug Misicko: I really didn't understand, the controversy...

14:36:30 Kenn Thomas: You know, looking at the financial markets, who those people are a lot of that should be traceable. That's very, you know that that's one avenue of research that needs to be pursued. And also these connections between Bush, the Bushs and Bin Ladens the idea that, you know, there was a plane when all air traffic in the country was stopped. It was a plane going all over the country picking up members of the bin Laden family and flying them out of the country. Doug Misicko: I really didn't understand, the controversy...

14:36:30 Kenn Thomas: You know, looking at the financial markets, who those people are a lot of that should be traceable. That's very, you know that that's one avenue of research that needs to be pursued. And also these connections between Bush, the Bushs and Bin Ladens the idea that, you know, there was a plane when all air traffic in the country was stopped. It was a plane going all over the country picking up members of the bin Laden family and flying them out of the country.

14:36:45 Shane Bugbee: That was the best one. Kenn Thomas: You know, looking at the financial markets, who those people are a lot of that should be traceable. That's very, you know that that's one avenue of research that needs to be pursued. And also these connections between Bush, the Bushs and Bin Ladens the idea that, you know, there was a plane when all air traffic in the country was stopped. It was a plane going all over the country picking up members of the bin Laden family and flying them out of the country.

14:36:54 Shane Bugbee: That was the best one.

14:36:56 Doug Misicko: You you've referred a couple times to Poindexter's... Poindexter's market scheme? I don't know what they called it. What really is the controversy there? I really didn't see something so wrong with them, setting up a predictions market, a futures market, as they called it. I mean, Poindexter was an unsavory fellow. And he was an asshole. And no doubt. It doesn't pained me to see him leave in disgrace.

14:37:22 Kenn Thomas: But what was the problem with the idea of...

14:37:25 Doug Misicko: Yeah, I really didn't understand why such...

14:37:27 Kenn Thomas: Insider trading, my friend, insider trading. They would have an unfair advantage since these guys actually create the terrorist incidents that they were going to predict.

14:37:37 Shane Bugbee: So they basically go after Martha Stewart for as a smokescreen.

14:37:41 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, kind of like that. One of the interesting things about Poindexter and his whole Defense Department office, total information awareness, is that the symbol that they use on their website was the pyramid with the eye over it. I mean, they weren't even this isn't in history.Wearing it on his sleeve. But again, he was also a convicted iran-contra felon who had his convictions overturned, and only one of many, many people... It's one of the, one of the things one of the ways to see this is to go back over to the Iran-Contra years. And iran-contra, of course, was a collusion with our enemies. It was selling arms to Iran to pay for an illegal war in Nicaragua. Which was part of a pattern actually that goes back to when Reagan was first elected in 1980. According to the octopus story, the Caballero story, part of his research documents this idea that the October surprise, the famous october surprise in the 1980 election resulted from Reagan making a deal with Khomeini to hold on to the hostages. The 52 American hostages, until after Carter lost the election. So this was a pattern of dealing with the Enemy that began there and went through iran-contra and went right on up to Saddam Hussein, who, you know, was a character that we did indeed build up before. We gave him the green light in the first Persian Gulf War, to invade Kuwait, and then beat him up, and then, you know, continue to... basically, useful for as long as he could be and then abandon him and invade the country.

14:39:20 Doug Misicko: Well, you know what, it seems like conspiracy theory is almost out the door for what people can see right now. I mean, things aren't even so secret anymore. I mean...

14:39:30 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, the best place to hide a secret is to put it in front of everybody.

14:39:34 Doug Misicko: Well right, because, they try to deny it's about oil and in the Middle East right now, and people are stupid enough to believe that.

14:39:43 Kenn Thomas: Yeah. Well, it's been true for a long time. I mean, you think of the Zapruder film, for instance, at the Kennedy assassination. That's a convenient little piece of film, like it's shown over and over and over again to everybody. That basically tells you on some level that, "yeah, we shot the son of a bitch, we kill them. We can kill anybody we want. Here's how we did it." You look at it over and over again. And it seems like its whole point and purpose is to tell you that, you know, yeah, we're in control here. What are you going to do? You know?

14:40:11 Doug Misicko: Do you believe there's anything else to see on the Zapruder film? Like William Cooper said, the driver turned around and shot him.

14:40:19 Kenn Thomas: I've always, I was always a big champion of William Cooper. I think his his death was tragic. You know, he was shot by, by the Sheriff in Arizona. And but I've never agreed with his position that the driver shot Kennedy. There's a reason to believe that. The driver clearly slowed or even stopped the car. You can see the brake lights coming on in the Zapruder film.

14:40:43 Shane Bugbee: Who is William Cooper? Kenn Thomas: I've always, I was always a big champion of William Cooper. I think his his death was tragic. You know, he was shot by, by the Sheriff in Arizona. And but I've never agreed with his position that the driver shot Kennedy. There's a reason to believe that. The driver clearly slowed or even stopped the car. You can see the brake lights coming on in the Zapruder film.

14:40:43 Shane Bugbee: Who is William Cooper?

14:40:45 Kenn Thomas: Pardon me...

14:40:45 Shane Bugbee: Who's this gentleman you're talking about? Is his name, William Cooper?

14:40:49 Kenn Thomas: Cooper theory of... the Bill Cooper theory of the Kennedy assassination is that the driver shot Kennedy.

14:40:54 Shane Bugbee: Who is he, though?

14:40:55 Doug Misicko: Right, William, William Cooper, he wrote, "Behold a Pale Horse". He was an ex-Naval Intelligence Officer, am I right?

14:41:02 Unknown: That's right. Yeah. And "Behold a Pale Horse" is a famous, is a famous book. It actually is interesting is that that was also the working title of Caballero's octopus book, he recently called it Behold a Pale Horse. But also, I think, a novel about the gay subculture in the Nazis called "Behold a Pale Horse". It's a line from the Bible, the book of Apocalypse. But Cooper was a very well known notorious figure on the UFO circuit. And he said a lot of strange things. And I've always defended him as as an ad man, as a guy who could turn conspiracy material into a large enough cartoon to attract a big audiences...

14:41:41 Doug Misicko: Was he a personal friend of yours? Unknown: That's right. Yeah. And "Behold a Pale Horse" is a famous, is a famous book. It actually is interesting is that that was also the working title of Caballero's octopus book, he recently called it Behold a Pale Horse. But also, I think, a novel about the gay subculture in the Nazis called "Behold a Pale Horse". It's a line from the Bible, the book of Apocalypse. But Cooper was a very well known notorious figure on the UFO circuit. And he said a lot of strange things. And I've always defended him as as an ad man, as a guy who could turn conspiracy material into a large enough cartoon to attract a big audiences...

14:41:42 Doug Misicko: So, did you know him personally? Doug Misicko: Was he a personal friend of yours? Unknown: That's right. Yeah. And "Behold a Pale Horse" is a famous, is a famous book. It actually is interesting is that that was also the working title of Caballero's octopus book, he recently called it Behold a Pale Horse. But also, I think, a novel about the gay subculture in the Nazis called "Behold a Pale Horse". It's a line from the Bible, the book of Apocalypse. But Cooper was a very well known notorious figure on the UFO circuit. And he said a lot of strange things. And I've always defended him as as an ad man, as a guy who could turn conspiracy material into a large enough cartoon to attract a big audiences...

14:41:42 Kenn Thomas: If you can do that you can drag people in, then you can finally presents them with some of the material that's, you know, a little bit more accurate. Doug Misicko: Was he a personal friend of yours? Doug Misicko: So, did you know him personally?

14:41:42 Doug Misicko: So, did you know him personally? Kenn Thomas: If you can do that you can drag people in, then you can finally presents them with some of the material that's, you know, a little bit more accurate.

14:41:52 Shane Bugbee: Okay, so we're talking about this all powerful government. If there's so many, there's so powerful, don't you think they could have gotten a hold of the Zapruder film and destroyed it? Slaughtered that guy's whole family, whatever, they could do everything they want, right? Doug Misicko: So, did you know him personally? Kenn Thomas: If you can do that you can drag people in, then you can finally presents them with some of the material that's, you know, a little bit more accurate.

14:41:52 Kenn Thomas: There are reasons though, to believe that the driver in the Zapruder film it stopped the car you can see the brake lights coming on. And then somebody actually picks up a 45 slug and FBI agent picks up a 45 slug and the opposite street of Elm, on the opposite side of Elm Street. So there are reasons to believe that, I just think in the overhaul, if you look at the film, you do not see the driver turning around shooting Kennedy. But you do see a lot of other very, very interesting stuff, like the umbrella man and the radio controller man. These are two people that that appear right after the stemmons freeway sign on the Zapruder film, who are coordinating what turns out to be very high tech, very elaborate, sophisticated crossfire assassination of Kennedy from the Book Depository, the dow tex building, and the grassy knoll. You can see all that in the film. And the idea that as they tried to put across the the Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone, is utterly insane by just the very evidence of your eyes. Anytime you see the Zapruder film, you can see that shot coming from the grassy knoll. Doug Misicko: So, did you know him personally? Shane Bugbee: Okay, so we're talking about this all powerful government. If there's so many, there's so powerful, don't you think they could have gotten a hold of the Zapruder film and destroyed it? Slaughtered that guy's whole family, whatever, they could do everything they want, right?

14:41:52 Shane Bugbee: Okay, so we're talking about this all powerful government. If there's so many, there's so powerful, don't you think they could have gotten a hold of the Zapruder film and destroyed it? Slaughtered that guy's whole family, whatever, they could do everything they want, right? Kenn Thomas: There are reasons though, to believe that the driver in the Zapruder film it stopped the car you can see the brake lights coming on. And then somebody actually picks up a 45 slug and FBI agent picks up a 45 slug and the opposite street of Elm, on the opposite side of Elm Street. So there are reasons to believe that, I just think in the overhaul, if you look at the film, you do not see the driver turning around shooting Kennedy. But you do see a lot of other very, very interesting stuff, like the umbrella man and the radio controller man. These are two people that that appear right after the stemmons freeway sign on the Zapruder film, who are coordinating what turns out to be very high tech, very elaborate, sophisticated crossfire assassination of Kennedy from the Book Depository, the dow tex building, and the grassy knoll. You can see all that in the film. And the idea that as they tried to put across the the Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone, is utterly insane by just the very evidence of your eyes. Anytime you see the Zapruder film, you can see that shot coming from the grassy knoll.

14:42:53 Shane Bugbee: Okay, so we're talking about this all powerful government. If there's so many, there's so powerful, don't you think they could have gotten a hold of the Zapruder film and destroyed it? Slaughtered that guy's whole family, whatever, they could do everything they want, right?

14:43:07 Kenn Thomas: Well, yeah. There's this idea that maybe they actually made the film, so that they could play it back over and over again and demonstrate to people when you have an operation like that, and again, you got to look at the photographic documentation. You've got a radio controller, man, you've got people walking all over the plaza with these radio control devices behind our ears, you can see this in various photographs.

14:43:29 Shane Bugbee: Right.

14:43:29 Kenn Thomas: So when you when you have something like that, of course, you're going to want to document it. Just like you would just like, you know, football players review tapes of their own show.

14:43:40 Shane Bugbee: Sure.

14:43:41 Kenn Thomas: So I mean, that could be an explanation behind it, but I've heard that many many times. In fact, you know, people say that to me all the time. Well, you know, if what you're saying is true, then how come they haven't killed you yet, Kenn?

14:43:52 Shane Bugbee: Right.

14:43:53 Kenn Thomas: I actually used to have This conversation with my co author, the the octopus is actually written, co written with a guy named Jim Keith, who is a very well known conspiracy writer. Wrote the gemstone file, black... the two black helicopters books that are so popular...

14:44:11 Doug Misicko: Right, he put together secret... Kenn Thomas: I actually used to have This conversation with my co author, the the octopus is actually written, co written with a guy named Jim Keith, who is a very well known conspiracy writer. Wrote the gemstone file, black... the two black helicopters books that are so popular...

14:44:11 Doug Misicko: Right, he put together secret...

14:44:12 Kenn Thomas: Who died under very mysterious circumstances after the octopus came out. So it's not really a conversation I can have with him anymore. So I mean, it's just that when you get down to the particulars, you know, why haven't they just sent out an army and wipe out everybody who has any idea of descent? I mean, is that where all this logically is? They, they, some people, they destroy their credibility. You know, a lot of people who are serious political dissidents actually wind up on the UFO talkshow circuit. Danny Sheehan is like that, at the Cryptic Institute, that guy actually tried to sue. Richard Armitage, and, you know, some version of this octopus power block, and he lost. And now he's lecturing with UFO stuff. So credibility can be destroyed that way, why didn't they kill Ted Kennedy, they were able to set them up with a scandal that has kept him under their thumb, all these years. So there's different approaches with different people. But it's, but it goes on all the time. Doug Misicko: Right, he put together secret...

14:44:12 Kenn Thomas: Who died under very mysterious circumstances after the octopus came out. So it's not really a conversation I can have with him anymore. So I mean, it's just that when you get down to the particulars, you know, why haven't they just sent out an army and wipe out everybody who has any idea of descent? I mean, is that where all this logically is? They, they, some people, they destroy their credibility. You know, a lot of people who are serious political dissidents actually wind up on the UFO talkshow circuit. Danny Sheehan is like that, at the Cryptic Institute, that guy actually tried to sue. Richard Armitage, and, you know, some version of this octopus power block, and he lost. And now he's lecturing with UFO stuff. So credibility can be destroyed that way, why didn't they kill Ted Kennedy, they were able to set them up with a scandal that has kept him under their thumb, all these years. So there's different approaches with different people. But it's, but it goes on all the time.

14:45:07 Amy Bugbee: So do you think it's one group of people that are doing this that control everything? Do you think it's different packets in different levels? I mean, if this is going back to Kennedy, are the same people that were behind that his assassination, the same people behind 911? Or is it... Kenn Thomas: Who died under very mysterious circumstances after the octopus came out. So it's not really a conversation I can have with him anymore. So I mean, it's just that when you get down to the particulars, you know, why haven't they just sent out an army and wipe out everybody who has any idea of descent? I mean, is that where all this logically is? They, they, some people, they destroy their credibility. You know, a lot of people who are serious political dissidents actually wind up on the UFO talkshow circuit. Danny Sheehan is like that, at the Cryptic Institute, that guy actually tried to sue. Richard Armitage, and, you know, some version of this octopus power block, and he lost. And now he's lecturing with UFO stuff. So credibility can be destroyed that way, why didn't they kill Ted Kennedy, they were able to set them up with a scandal that has kept him under their thumb, all these years. So there's different approaches with different people. But it's, but it goes on all the time.

14:45:07 Amy Bugbee: So do you think it's one group of people that are doing this that control everything? Do you think it's different packets in different levels? I mean, if this is going back to Kennedy, are the same people that were behind that his assassination, the same people behind 911? Or is it...

14:45:20 Kenn Thomas: You know, I don't want to reduce it down to some kind of, you know, exaggerated version of what it is. But I but I will tell you this, I wrote another book called Maury Island UFO, which I consider to kind of a prequel to the octopus. Because just as as I just said before, you can see the octopus theory reappearing in the daily headlines all the time, which gives it some sense of authenticity. If you'd actually do trace it back, the people like the main informant to Danny Caballero was a guy named Michael Riconosciuto, who was who had as a father figure is very closely tied to a man named Fred Crismon, who was involved in a very weird UFO event in 1947, called Maury Island casem and who was subpoenaed by Jim Garrison in 1968, for his role in the Kennedy assassination. So yeah, I will, you know, I will make the case and I can prove the case that there are a personalities, people and processes that go over generations, you know, and it's part of how you keep a huge power block like that in power, they don't just come on the scene after any particular election or event. It's part of an accrual process. And, you know, I'm no expert in things like the Illuminati or, you know, some of the Masons, or some of these ancient power blocks, and I certainly believe that there's truth to all that. But in the 20th century, and in the current century, yes, you can see that these things, trace back to lots of different personalities working for a power structure that has nothing to do with power, as we understand as we hope it is, you know, electing officials and that kind of thing. Amy Bugbee: So do you think it's one group of people that are doing this that control everything? Do you think it's different packets in different levels? I mean, if this is going back to Kennedy, are the same people that were behind that his assassination, the same people behind 911? Or is it...

14:45:21 Shane Bugbee: New world order, right? Kenn Thomas: You know, I don't want to reduce it down to some kind of, you know, exaggerated version of what it is. But I but I will tell you this, I wrote another book called Maury Island UFO, which I consider to kind of a prequel to the octopus. Because just as as I just said before, you can see the octopus theory reappearing in the daily headlines all the time, which gives it some sense of authenticity. If you'd actually do trace it back, the people like the main informant to Danny Caballero was a guy named Michael Riconosciuto, who was who had as a father figure is very closely tied to a man named Fred Crismon, who was involved in a very weird UFO event in 1947, called Maury Island casem and who was subpoenaed by Jim Garrison in 1968, for his role in the Kennedy assassination. So yeah, I will, you know, I will make the case and I can prove the case that there are a personalities, people and processes that go over generations, you know, and it's part of how you keep a huge power block like that in power, they don't just come on the scene after any particular election or event. It's part of an accrual process. And, you know, I'm no expert in things like the Illuminati or, you know, some of the Masons, or some of these ancient power blocks, and I certainly believe that there's truth to all that. But in the 20th century, and in the current century, yes, you can see that these things, trace back to lots of different personalities working for a power structure that has nothing to do with power, as we understand as we hope it is, you know, electing officials and that kind of thing.

14:45:22 Kenn Thomas: You know, I don't want to reduce it down to some kind of, you know, exaggerated version of what it is. But I but I will tell you this, I wrote another book called Maury Island UFO, which I consider to kind of a prequel to the octopus. Because just as as I just said before, you can see the octopus theory reappearing in the daily headlines all the time, which gives it some sense of authenticity. If you'd actually do trace it back, the people like the main informant to Danny Caballero was a guy named Michael Riconosciuto, who was who had as a father figure is very closely tied to a man named Fred Crismon, who was involved in a very weird UFO event in 1947, called Maury Island casem and who was subpoenaed by Jim Garrison in 1968, for his role in the Kennedy assassination. So yeah, I will, you know, I will make the case and I can prove the case that there are a personalities, people and processes that go over generations, you know, and it's part of how you keep a huge power block like that in power, they don't just come on the scene after any particular election or event. It's part of an accrual process. And, you know, I'm no expert in things like the Illuminati or, you know, some of the Masons, or some of these ancient power blocks, and I certainly believe that there's truth to all that. But in the 20th century, and in the current century, yes, you can see that these things, trace back to lots of different personalities working for a power structure that has nothing to do with power, as we understand as we hope it is, you know, electing officials and that kind of thing.

14:47:09 Doug Misicko: Give me an idea of a typical article you'll see in the New York Times or something of a like that, that makes you feel like it's validated your belief in the octopus.

14:47:21 Kenn Thomas: Okay, sure. You know, there used to be a zeen called "the lies of the times", that used to come out, like on a quarterly basis, a magazine, and they would just catalogue everything that the New York Times would, would do. That's a lot. But it's like I said before these resignations, you know, in addition to Poindexter and Perle there is there was a guy named Paul Redmond, who was a high mucky muck in the Homeland Security Department who resigned quote, "because of health reasons". And the story behind that is that he was investigating how Osama bin Laden got the PROMIS software through the Russians and through this FBI turncoat guy, Robert Hansen. And in the course of that investigation, he found so much material connecting the Bush and bin Laden families, that he felt he had to resign for health reasons. So... So, you know, again, we're talking about three or four resignations, that that seem to form a clear pattern, I mean, these aren't major figures. Because, you know, you, you make these these lower players, you forced them out and so people think that whatever corruption that represents has been cleansed by the resignations, but we're at the real power continues that way. And there were Pentagon people actually setting up meetings with manager Ghorbanifar, who was Adnan Khashoggi's partners. I mean, these are people they're known quantities. You know, they've been around, Khashoggi goes back to the Lockheed scandal and his you know, so whenever a... you know, whenever anything that the New York Times report says something that that's other than that that's other than trying to understand what that is and trying to get the world away from that, then I think it belongs in that vein, the lies of the time.

14:49:11 Doug Misicko: Right. Speaking to clear patterns, though, don't you feel that this current administration is taking the next step that they're moving it into... say "code red", so to speak?

14:49:24 Kenn Thomas: I'm sorry, moving into what?

14:49:26 Doug Misicko: Into Code Red or whatever, into phase three from phase two, or whatever you want to call it?

14:49:34 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, well, I don't, I don't really expect democracy to break out in the next election. If that's what you're asking?

14:49:40 Doug Misicko: Well, I was gonna ask what you thought would come with the next election? Do you think there will be one? Or do you think there will be a contrived terrorist attack before it happens?

14:49:49 Kenn Thomas: Well, that wouldn't surprise me. If that happened, if you if you look and getting back to this idea that it's just a few people. George Bush, obviously the Vice President of Reagan was it was a power block when he was president. You know, still George Bush. This is George Bush's son. In the interim there, you had Clinton, of course. And that might suggest to you that maybe there is some hope. Maybe you can get some kind of moderately progressive person into the White House. But if you understand the history of Clinton, he realized that he was a player too. There was... there's an airstrip in Mena, Arkansas. And this is like well known among conspiracy researchers, where they were flying guns down to, you know, another continent. Runs guns down in South America and coming back with drugs. And it's a very famous thing that Clinton failed to investigate, deliberately failed to investigate, that ingratiated him into this, this power system. And even he was in a hand. So I would expect something like that to happen in the next election field. They will continue to be as bold as they have been with with this guy.

14:50:57 Doug Misicko: You think Clinton just failed to investigate and wasn't really complicit?

14:51:02 Kenn Thomas: No, no, never ascribe to incompetence, what can be explained by conspiracy. I think that Clinton deliberately soft pedaled that investigation, because he knew it was an Ollie North operation, a Bush operation, an octopus operation and you know, by ingratiating himself in that way, I just, I don't think he knew that he was going to become president at that point. But you know, he knows what side of the bread is buttered on and who butters it. So I think that was what will happen. I would think that it's virtually impossible for Howard Dean to get elected. I mean, whenever we ever elected an anti-war president. So whoever gets in there will be somebody, you know, if they tried to make it look like there's going to be a big change. I wouldn't, I wouldn't look to that because you know, W has now locked us into certain foreign policy initiatives that you can't you're not going to get somebody in there who's just going to say, okay, that's over with.

14:52:04 Doug Misicko: No, it's like I was saying earlier, Gephardt, Lieberman, Kerry, they're just Bush light.

14:52:08 Kenn Thomas: Right? Exactly, exactly. And of course, Kerry's a skull and bones that are right with the Yale secret society, Skull and Bones.

14:52:16 Doug Misicko: Yep, same as Bush.

14:52:18 Kenn Thomas: Bush. And also I'm told, if you looked this up it's not exactly true, Arnold Schwarzenegger actually wears a skull and bones ring. And nobody in it, but it was hand custom for him. This is according to The Washington Post, it's hand custom for him, but somebody they don't know who or where it comes from. But he's a close friend of Bush, too. And so it's like, he's some kind of bastard son of the skull and bones society. Doug Misicko: Yep, same as Bush.

14:52:18 Kenn Thomas: Bush. And also I'm told, if you looked this up it's not exactly true, Arnold Schwarzenegger actually wears a skull and bones ring. And nobody in it, but it was hand custom for him. This is according to The Washington Post, it's hand custom for him, but somebody they don't know who or where it comes from. But he's a close friend of Bush, too. And so it's like, he's some kind of bastard son of the skull and bones society.

14:52:41 Amy Bugbee: Now the thing with Arnold Schwarzenegger, okay, he can become the governor of California. And I understand that, that seems to be... they have him all tied in with the New World Order. But he's not American born so he could never be president. So what is the real use of him?

14:53:00 Unknown: Well, it's all showbiz. You know, the elections are part of the spectacle. Getting back to the situationist theory, that it's all in the society of the spectacle. What I think is going on in the California elections, you had this guy, Darrell Issa, who began the recall initiative. Supposedly because he wanted to run and take over but then after it got started, he pulled out and this guy has his a lot of connections to the Arab world, to the Middle East. And when you think of it in terms of Bush and Bin Ladin, being cozy with each other to try to dislodge the power in California, I think, you know that that was a very serious set of events, and I would look more closely at that. But you know, Schwarzenegger, you're right, he's just another movie star. In many ways. Again, Reagan was a movie star too. And when he was in power, the people who are really in power was you know, Bush on down and Reagan was this the public relations guy. So you're right, technically Schwarzenegger could never become president.

14:54:00 Doug Misicko: Well Schwar...

14:54:01 Kenn Thomas: He could play some kind of...

14:54:02 Doug Misicko: Schwarzenegger's Austrian... Don't many conspiracy theorists feel that the overall centralized command of the Illuminati is based in Bavaria?

14:54:16 Kenn Thomas: That's interesting. I've never heard that line of thinking before, connecting Schwarzenegger up to the Bavarian Illuminati.

14:54:22 Doug Misicko: I haven't either. I was wondering if it was there.

14:54:25 Kenn Thomas: I think he just began a whole new tributary of research.

14:54:28 Doug Misicko: We're gonna see websites...

14:54:31 Shane Bugbee: So Kenn, is there good money in the conspiracy business?

14:54:36 Kenn Thomas: For me, or...

14:54:37 Shane Bugbee: For anyone, for sure you, you make a living off this right?

14:54:40 Kenn Thomas: No, not at all. It's a hobby.

14:54:43 Shane Bugbee: Okay. Do you have another job?

14:54:44 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, I have a day job. I worked as an archivist at a university in the Midwest.

14:54:49 Shane Bugbee: Not that that matters too much. You know...

14:54:51 Kenn Thomas: Having a job, you mean? But yeah...

14:54:54 Kenn Thomas: I'm not a conspiracy writer. I'm not like a person who says, "Wow, God, I love this. I love the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, that's my favorite." You know, they really got away with something in Watergate, that kind of thing. I'm basically an anti-conspiracy. I don't actually like the term conspiracy theory. There's my magazine, Steamshovel Press has as its motto, "all conspiracy, no theory". And my term for this study, and this kind of understanding of current affairs is called para-politics. And I consider myself a para... para-political researcher and writer and all the people that kind of, you know, write for my magazine and do the kind of work I do. That's what I call them, the conspiracy theories, is just like a media handle, and a way of turning, wrapping the laughter curtain around it. Doing it as Mel Gibson movies and X-files TV shows. Kenn Thomas: Having a job, you mean? But yeah...

14:54:54 Kenn Thomas: I'm not a conspiracy writer. I'm not like a person who says, "Wow, God, I love this. I love the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, that's my favorite." You know, they really got away with something in Watergate, that kind of thing. I'm basically an anti-conspiracy. I don't actually like the term conspiracy theory. There's my magazine, Steamshovel Press has as its motto, "all conspiracy, no theory". And my term for this study, and this kind of understanding of current affairs is called para-politics. And I consider myself a para... para-political researcher and writer and all the people that kind of, you know, write for my magazine and do the kind of work I do. That's what I call them, the conspiracy theories, is just like a media handle, and a way of turning, wrapping the laughter curtain around it. Doing it as Mel Gibson movies and X-files TV shows.

14:54:54 Shane Bugbee: No, making money off a conspiracy... Kenn Thomas: I'm not a conspiracy writer. I'm not like a person who says, "Wow, God, I love this. I love the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, that's my favorite." You know, they really got away with something in Watergate, that kind of thing. I'm basically an anti-conspiracy. I don't actually like the term conspiracy theory. There's my magazine, Steamshovel Press has as its motto, "all conspiracy, no theory". And my term for this study, and this kind of understanding of current affairs is called para-politics. And I consider myself a para... para-political researcher and writer and all the people that kind of, you know, write for my magazine and do the kind of work I do. That's what I call them, the conspiracy theories, is just like a media handle, and a way of turning, wrapping the laughter curtain around it. Doing it as Mel Gibson movies and X-files TV shows.

14:54:56 Kenn Thomas: I'm not a conspiracy writer. I'm not like a person who says, "Wow, God, I love this. I love the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, that's my favorite." You know, they really got away with something in Watergate, that kind of thing. I'm basically an anti-conspiracy. I don't actually like the term conspiracy theory. There's my magazine, Steamshovel Press has as its motto, "all conspiracy, no theory". And my term for this study, and this kind of understanding of current affairs is called para-politics. And I consider myself a para... para-political researcher and writer and all the people that kind of, you know, write for my magazine and do the kind of work I do. That's what I call them, the conspiracy theories, is just like a media handle, and a way of turning, wrapping the laughter curtain around it. Doing it as Mel Gibson movies and X-files TV shows.

14:55:01 Amy Bugbee: So do you think Bill Clinton was just a pawn in this or you think he was involved or you think they just, you know, they go and they find dirt on these people or scandals? Kenn Thomas: I'm not a conspiracy writer. I'm not like a person who says, "Wow, God, I love this. I love the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, that's my favorite." You know, they really got away with something in Watergate, that kind of thing. I'm basically an anti-conspiracy. I don't actually like the term conspiracy theory. There's my magazine, Steamshovel Press has as its motto, "all conspiracy, no theory". And my term for this study, and this kind of understanding of current affairs is called para-politics. And I consider myself a para... para-political researcher and writer and all the people that kind of, you know, write for my magazine and do the kind of work I do. That's what I call them, the conspiracy theories, is just like a media handle, and a way of turning, wrapping the laughter curtain around it. Doing it as Mel Gibson movies and X-files TV shows.

14:55:44 Amy Bugbee: So do you think Bill Clinton was just a pawn in this or you think he was involved or you think they just, you know, they go and they find dirt on these people or scandals?

14:55:56 Kenn Thomas: The very day of the impeachment vote, Clinton refunded Star Wars, after having cut off the funding for a number of years. And and Monica Lewinsky, that whole thing... It clearly has the fingerprints of some kind of intelligence operation. The Clinton, like Kennedy was like send interns on a regular basis. There's another famous one, Mary Caitlin Mahoney, who actually wound up being murdered at a Starbucks in DC. So they kind of did something with one of them, Monica Lewinsky to create a public scandal to help manipulate him into refunding Star Wars.

14:56:28 Doug Misicko: So you also believe as I do, that Clinton's support for getting into the presidency was basically rooted in his compliance with the drug running in Arkansas.

14:56:40 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, yeah, I do not. Do not believe that, you know, Clinton and the democrats represent the white hats. The good guys, and the republicans are the bad guys. Like I said, that's a false dialogue. So yeah, Clinton, Clinton was the... a player.

14:56:59 Doug Misicko: Well, it's, it's, it's perfect. It works. People see. People see how extreme Bush is and then they think they're gonna get so much better with the Democrats, and it goes back and forth.

14:57:10 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, that's absolutely true. And one of the strategies being discussed by the DNC now is to get Wesley Clark, military leader on the ticket. It's actually it would actually be a good idea in terms of, you know, if you wanted to think along these lines, in terms of trying to beat W, because a lot of a lot of people buy into this idea that, you know, war hero, you want to vote for war hero over somebody else, because he's more patriotic or whatever.

14:57:35 Doug Misicko: So you're working for the Howard Dean campaign?

14:57:37 Kenn Thomas: [laughs] No, and in fact, I think if they if they did, draft Wesley Clark as the vice presidential candidate, it still has a snowball's chance in hell. They either got to run Clark as a president, or they're not gonna win. Doug Misicko: So you're working for the Howard Dean campaign?

14:57:37 Kenn Thomas: [laughs] No, and in fact, I think if they if they did, draft Wesley Clark as the vice presidential candidate, it still has a snowball's chance in hell. They either got to run Clark as a president, or they're not gonna win.

14:57:54 Doug Misicko: So do you vote?

14:57:55 Kenn Thomas: Do I vote? Not FOR anybody.

14:58:01 Amy Bugbee: So here's a name you haven't heard in a while? What about Shaundra Levy? What do you think? Is that tied in with anything? Are you think that's just a shot in the dark?

14:58:10 Kenn Thomas: Oh, God, Shaundra Levy. Everything that happens in DC is, is something worthy of trying to think of, you know, separate agendas and underlying things. I mean, it would take me I'd have to go back to the file and Chandra Levy, to do something about it. But she does kind of fit into this very old idea and conspiracy theory that there are Stepford Wives and there's a whole community of zombie eyed, women in Washington, DC that are there to service, the political leaders. It's had its most extreme expression in books like "Transformation of America" by Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien, and there's another woman named Bryce Taylor, you don't believe in confessionals...how much you want to believe them?

14:59:00 Doug Misicko: You don't believe in that reptilian shit, do you?

14:59:02 Kenn Thomas: They say that they were sex slaves for the CIA or for Washington, political leaders, you gotta wonder if founder leave, you might have fallen into that category. But I couldn't say for sure.

14:59:13 Doug Misicko: Yeah. But the book also had the politicians and the people indulging in this behavior as reptilian creatures. Do you don't...

14:59:22 Kenn Thomas: I always thought that theory was an insult to reptiles.

14:59:25 Doug Misicko: Yeah, I think so too.

14:59:28 Kenn Thomas: Although, you know, there is, again, the, there are a lot of weird people. You know, Cooper was probably one of them, too, that have a lot of weird theories. One of the advantages of my work is that that it's a lot of very strange, weird stuff, but it also has the advantage of actually being true. And you could even make a case for we're talking about David and I can never get this name. Last name, right. David Icke or Ichy.

14:59:52 Doug Misicko: Right.

14:59:53 Kenn Thomas: Yeah. He's the guy with the reptilian theory.

14:59:55 Doug Misicko: Right.

14:59:55 Kenn Thomas: Well, there's a guy named Bill Hastert, actually in southern Florida who has for years been injecting himself with cobra venom. And he's, I've actually seen some footage of him from the early 60s. He's still down there. He thinks he's in his late 80s now, he looks a little bit like a reptile. And of course, his his networking area. His little reality tunnel is with zookeepers and people who run zoos all in St. Louis. He was he was connected to a guy named Marlin Perkins, who was the head of the St. Louis zoo. And these are very wealthy socialites and Marlin Perkins' background was in herpetology, reptiles. So if you really wanted to try to investigate whether there are real reptilian people out there, there are places you could could actually go. Come back and say that the Queen of England transformed into a reptile when nobody's looking, you know, people will line up to see a lecture on that topic.

Hour 16

Kenn Thomas Interview (cont.)

15:00:50 Doug Misicko: Do you have a website to go along with that? I mean, is what's the guy's name? We can try to look them up.

15:00:56 Kenn Thomas: The Cobra guy?

15:00:56 Doug Misicko: Yeah.

15:00:57 Kenn Thomas: Hastert. H-A-S-T-E-R-T. I think...

15:01:02 Amy Bugbee: That's all very lovecraftian. You know, there's a school of thought out there that all Lovecraft stories were actually truth. Are you familiar with that? Do you think that could be?

15:01:12 Kenn Thomas: I'm not quite sure about that. I know that, you know, I don't want to say that Bill Hastert is a black magician or anything like that. His idea was to slowly inject himself over time with cobra venom to build up immunity to build up a strong immune system. That's why he's living in such a healthy state in his late 80s. I, you know, I'm not trying to say that he practices the dark arts or anything. I'm just saying if you wanted to seriously take the reptilian thing. Seriously, there are places we could actually look.

15:01:40 Doug Misicko: Right. Well, back to 911. Do you have any idea as to why perhaps we don't see any footage, or we only see five stills of the Pentagon crash?

15:01:54 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, there's something about that it didn't actually happen. That didn't actually happen, I think is is the major theory there.

15:02:03 Shane Bugbee: You don't think that happened? Huh?

15:02:04 Kenn Thomas: Well, I'm trying to remember exactly what's been said about it. There's something very peculiar about the damage that was done to the Pentagon, that there's the it was it was like, the was like a whole, you know, and it was it didn't indicate that it was a plane that actually had a wingspan that crashed into it.

15:02:21 Amy Bugbee: Now, on 911 I remember, at the same time, they were saying that the Twin Towers were hit, they also said that Camp David had been destroyed.

15:02:32 Kenn Thomas: Well, that's, that's all... yeah, it's the the thing about the trying to get at the facts is when something like that happens, is just pop a tape into your VCR and start taping everything before they can put the spin on it. And although they've gotten really good at you know, once something happens, they come up with, you know, 15 to 20 seconds of the most inaccurate part of it, and they put that in the news cycle and roll it over and over again. There was a lot of information about the Oklahoma City bonds, for instance, that emerged because while it was happening live, people just just taped, taped the live feed.

15:03:05 Amy Bugbee: What do you think about the Oklahoma City bombing?

15:03:10 Kenn Thomas: Well, these these topics all require a book, McVeigh was course injected with some kind of transponder. He worked for a place called CalFan that created injectable bio transponders and and it was a good soldier and he went to his death you know, not saying everything that needed to be said about it.

15:03:32 Doug Misicko: Explain the injection... I haven't heard of this.

15:03:35 Kenn Thomas: You've never heard of the injectable transponder?

15:03:37 Shane Bugbee: The fiber optics...yeah...

15:03:39 Doug Misicko: Okay for blind people?

15:03:40 Kenn Thomas: He got it in his butt, basically. CalFan which makes these bio telemetric devices for tracking things.

15:03:53 Shane Bugbee: What's the point of them...

15:03:54 Kenn Thomas: The controversy here is whether those devices are also mind control devices.

15:03:56 Shane Bugbee: What's the point of them doing...

15:03:58 Kenn Thomas: That's were Timothy McVeigh worked with them.

15:04:00 Shane Bugbee: What's the point of them doing for having McVeigh do that?

15:04:05 Kenn Thomas: McVeigh or whoever whatever destroyed the Oklahoma City bomb? Shane Bugbee: What's the point of them doing for having McVeigh do that?

15:04:05 Kenn Thomas: McVeigh or whoever whatever destroyed the Oklahoma City bomb?

15:04:09 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

15:04:10 Kenn Thomas: Everything falls under this rubric of the strategy of tension.

15:04:13 Shane Bugbee: Fear.

15:04:14 Kenn Thomas: To create terrorist events in order to create a police state.

15:04:18 Shane Bugbee: To control under fear. Right?

15:04:20 Kenn Thomas: What's that?

15:04:22 Shane Bugbee: Control the people with fear?

15:04:24 Kenn Thomas: ...with fear and terror. Yeah.

15:04:25 Shane Bugbee: I think I you know, I really think I take so much away from McVeigh. I really think he's like some sort of American hero. I really think he was trying to make a statement. I thought he said a lot before he went to his grave. Did you read that book? Kenn Thomas: ...with fear and terror. Yeah.

15:04:25 Shane Bugbee: I think I you know, I really think I take so much away from McVeigh. I really think he's like some sort of American hero. I really think he was trying to make a statement. I thought he said a lot before he went to his grave. Did you read that book?

15:04:38 Kenn Thomas: Do you think he was he was responsible for murdering all those people?

15:04:41 Shane Bugbee: I don't think... I don't even consider it murder. But yeah, I think he did it. And I think he's a...

15:04:46 Kenn Thomas: Why don't you consider it murder?

15:04:49 Shane Bugbee: Well, I think it's justified just by what the government does with waco and all the other bullshit they've done. I think it's I thought it was a revolutionary move. I thought he did it. Based on what the government's done to us hundreds of times over and I think he got lucky doing it. And I don't I think it's um, to put every can everything under a conspiracy type of thing like that. I don't. I just...

15:05:10 Kenn Thomas: I don't really agree with that point of view. I don't think killing innocent people is right. Now, even if you're doing it for a revolutionary perspective.

15:05:19 Shane Bugbee: There's no one inoc... those waco kids were inocent too. Until I mean, you have to

15:05:23 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, but killing another group of innocent people doesn't avenge their death.

15:05:26 Shane Bugbee: Well, you can't lay on your back and take it all the time. You have to get the word out there. You have to do something to to make people look at what you're even saying. I mean, McVeigh did so much for the conspiracy... or to spread the word. Have you ever seen that video day 51? All the great waco videos. I mean, he's done so much.

15:05:46 Amy Bugbee: He went down there for Waco.

15:05:47 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I mean...

15:05:48 Kenn Thomas: There is a good case to be made that McVeigh didn't do a damn thing. He didn't do anything. ...a stooge, like Oswald. So yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't. I also issue a newsletter, steamshovelpress.com.

15:06:01 Shane Bugbee: Have you read American terrorist?

15:06:03 Kenn Thomas: What's that?

15:06:03 Shane Bugbee: Have you read the book American terrorist?

15:06:05 Kenn Thomas: I don't think so. But like I said, I've written things under the rubric of the terror mirror and what you have. You have, you know, people calling each other terrorists, our government and the terrorists over in the Middle East. And that the normal person, the average, everyday person is stuck between those. And I'm not going to be sitting on the sides and being a cheerleader for for Osama bin Laden any more than I would for George Bush. I mean, those aren't our options. We don't have to play that game.

15:06:33 Shane Bugbee: Well, you know, you have to fight back. Ya' know?

15:06:37 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, you do. But you know, it's not. You know, I'd never get on a radio program like this and advocate that you've gotten murdered a bunch of innocent people.

15:06:46 Shane Bugbee: But I didn't necessarily say advocated. I think I respect... I said, I respect that. I didn't say I advocate it.

15:06:52 Kenn Thomas: Well, I mean, I respectfully disagree with you.

15:06:55 Shane Bugbee: I didn't, I didn't advocate it. I respect what they do I respect. I think that he was a brave person. I think that's a brave thing to do.

15:07:04 Amy Bugbee: So does that make you a pacifist? Do you believe in no acts of war, period?

15:07:11 Kenn Thomas: No, I believe in creative engagement and...

15:07:14 Shane Bugbee: Nothing more creative than fighting tanks and FBI with a bunch of manure.

15:07:20 Kenn Thomas: Well, yeah, you know, our, you know, throwing dollar bills, off the balcony at the stock exchange, that kind of thing, you know, we'll create a counter revolt that... I don't know, this, this footage actually, is long lost now, there's actually footage of me and Allen Ginsberg and Abbie Hoffman, talking about this very topic. And the difference between like, passively accepting what happens to you and being a pacifist, you know, the difference between pacifism and passive and the importance of, of actually doing something and not being just a victim. But none of those guys and I don't think it... just isn't common sense to me to throw bombs. You know, I send books before bombs.

15:08:05 Shane Bugbee: So you think the Palestinians should be starting to write books instead of strapping bombs on them?

15:08:10 Kenn Thomas: I I'd certainly like to read a lot more books by the Palestinians. But...

15:08:16 Shane Bugbee: it's sort of a crazy fight. It's like David and Goliath. These guys come down the block with eight big black helicopters, and blast the fuck out of a Palestinian neighborhood. And they strap a bomb onto a 13 year old kid.

15:08:27 Kenn Thomas: Yeah...

15:08:28 Shane Bugbee: It's sort of a desperate act. I think McVeigh what McVeigh did with terrorists. People call these people terrorists. It's a last act. It's a desperate act of a desperate people.

15:08:36 Kenn Thomas: Well, I mean, the thing is, though, there are different theories about McVeigh: A) That he didn't do anything. B) That he was actually a good soldier that he went to his grave...

15:08:44 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, they create all this for gun control, for fear but i don't i don't believe that. I don't believe at all. I think he's a desperate person in a desperate time. And those that act those call for Desperate Measures sometimes, you know, I think McVeigh in the in the long run in the history books will go down to some sort of American hero or if not someone who tried to be tried to do the right thing or tried to do something he thought was right.

15:09:10 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't close the door on that. That idea. Actually, my my whole approach is to try to encourage everybody to look at everything in as many ways as possible and reach their own conclusion. So I wouldn't say that, you know. You're totally wrong there. I just I just can't advocate.

15:09:28 Shane Bugbee: I never advocated anything. Okay. I don't I don't I don't want my family blown up in a building any more than I want anyone else like I appreciate.

15:09:37 Kenn Thomas: Fine, right? Well...

15:09:37 Shane Bugbee: I don't I'm not asking for that. But I also I also say when you have had enough maybe Obama made us shake things up a little maybe make something happen. I don't. Kenn Thomas: Fine, right? Well...

15:09:37 Shane Bugbee: I don't I'm not asking for that. But I also I also say when you have had enough maybe Obama made us shake things up a little maybe make something happen. I don't.

15:09:47 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, I agree.

15:09:48 Shane Bugbee: I just gotta tell you, I'm just pissed.

15:09:50 Kenn Thomas: It's more than just killing people. Shane Bugbee: I just gotta tell you, I'm just pissed.

15:09:50 Kenn Thomas: It's more than just killing people.

15:09:52 Shane Bugbee: I'm more pissed off at a goddamn government that goes into waco and slaughters a fucking kids while they run out the back door. They shoot them down. They could have starved those people out. They could have did a lot more. A lot of you know, Ruby Ridge, all these kinds of craz-. That really pisses me off. Kenn Thomas: It's more than just killing people.

15:09:52 Shane Bugbee: I'm more pissed off at a goddamn government that goes into waco and slaughters a fucking kids while they run out the back door. They shoot them down. They could have starved those people out. They could have did a lot more. A lot of you know, Ruby Ridge, all these kinds of craz-. That really pisses me off.

15:10:05 Kenn Thomas: I agree, there's a lot of rage to be had there.

15:10:06 Shane Bugbee: It's disgusting, man,.I think for every kid, I think for every kid that died in that building a building should fall. I think I think that those 100 kids, those 50 children that died and then 50 women that died in Waco take out 100 buildings .100 federal buildings, maybe that's a good idea. No?

15:10:24 Kenn Thomas: Each one of them was a nursery, though with other children. You know...

15:10:27 Shane Bugbee: I'll tell you, if there was a federal building taking down each state.

15:10:31 Kenn Thomas: They kept showing the footage of the towers falling over and over again. Yeah, on that day and a lot. There were kids out there who thought that every time they thought it was a different building, there was only terrorized by the concept that that's what was going on.

15:10:45 Shane Bugbee: Well, I uh...

15:10:47 Amy Bugbee: So what about the... What do you think about the media manipulation of the Israeli - Palestinian situation where the Israelis are made to look like these good guys being terrorized by these horrible Palestinians, when in reality, they're going in and bombing refugee camps. And all the Palestinians are forced to live in refugee camps, because their homes and all everything has been taken from them? It seems like they're doing exactly what was done to them by the Nazis, to the Palestinians.

15:11:15 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, I don't like that. And I totally agree with you.

15:11:19 Shane Bugbee: And now these people alone, that they're not supposed to fight back. I mean, what do they do?

15:11:23 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, we don't even have the language of occupation that they understand, you know, the Palestinians are occupied, you know, they are an invading force has taken them over, and we don't really see it that way. We have these these these plans is to try to get them to live peacefully coexist with people who have invaded them.

15:11:43 Doug Misicko: What's the octopus perspective on this, or is there one?

15:11:45 Kenn Thomas: And the measure of it? Is there the Palestinians propensity to commit suicide, you know, that it's, it's a better option for them to do that than it is to live in the slavery that Israel is trying to impose upon them.

15:11:59 Doug Misicko: Right. Is there an idea of, of a of a plan as far as Israel Palestine goes and octopus context?

15:12:10 Kenn Thomas: Yes. Yeah, Israel, was discussed, Israel was one of the one of the states that bought the promis software from this guy, Earl, Brian. And again, in fact, there was a group of people of Mossad agents posing as art students, this is one of the things that you can find out in "the shadow government" book I was telling you about there was there was clearly foreknowledge of 911 by the Mossad. It was a it was a spy group that was posing as art students, you can find this in "the shadow government". But also in the, Caballero I wrote extensively about Israel being involved in in PROMIS and that whole coalition. There is a, there's a long chapter chapter in the article called the hagiography, which kind of goes through state by state about our, you know, country by country, the countries that that took on the PROMIS software and how they've used it, you know, different warfare scenarios.

15:13:11 Doug Misicko: ...and PROMIS , similar to ECHELON.

15:13:14 Kenn Thomas: Well, PROMIS is... Echelon is is run on some version of PROMIS is like millions and millions of lines of code and is infinitely permeable, and it's chief function... And one of the one of the things that castle arrows. resurrecting is the idea that it was outfitted with a backdoor, so that its purpose was to track criminals through various prosecutors' offices. But once people, once these different police agencies bought it, they bought the capacity of our intelligence groups to spy on what they were doing. And the other aspects of promise off and the thing that makes it so attractive to Osama bin Laden, is that it has this extrapolative property, you feed it all this information, and they can tell you what the next move is of the person that you found the information on. This is how Osama bin Laden knows, you know that they're coming after him in Tora Bora, and that, you know, he can get out of there in time. I mean, the guy's got kidney problems and osteoporosis. He's like the most sickly guy and we have this huge, vast apparatus and we can't seem to catch them. And part of that is because of the PROMIS thing.

15:14:16 Doug Misicko: Did you know The European Union actually had a discussion about the Echelon project because they were afraid of it. They were afraid it would be used to give participating countries an economic edge that it would be used for corporate sabotage?

15:14:32 Kenn Thomas: Yeah, I've heard of that. That seems to be the least of, of its capacities.

15:14:37 Doug Misicko: Yeah. But it was just interesting for something that was supposedly denied. This provoked...

15:14:43 Kenn Thomas: ...hat even exist yet. Right.

15:14:44 Doug Misicko: This provoked me into calling, I actually called the National Security Agency because I was interested to see that this was going on. And I...

15:14:52 Kenn Thomas: It's not the NSA that controls the Echelon satellites. It's the National Reconnaissance Office. NRO working for the NWO, I guess.

15:15:01 Doug Misicko: Really?

15:15:01 Kenn Thomas: Yeah. That's the point that needs to be made time and again, people say that it's the CIA doing all this stuff at the CIA barely has a 10th of the budget of things like the NSA or the DIA or NRO.

15:15:11 Doug Misicko: Right? Well, I called the National Security Agency and they kept me on the line for a long time. And then they told me that they neither confirm nor deny the Echelon project. Although the European Union apparently even had pictures.

15:15:23 Kenn Thomas: Yeah. I've got a I got a lecture to get to. I'm gonna have to cut the interview short.

15:15:28 Doug Misicko: Okay, no problem. Thank you very much.

15:15:30 Shane Bugbee: Kenn, how do we find out more about your ew books?

15:15:33 Kenn Thomas: steamshovelpress.com. Steamshovel Press is like one word .com that's that's the website of my magazines. You know, my, my, a lot of my writing appears on there too. And you can order my books that way.

15:15:47 Doug Misicko: Ken, No shit. It was great talking to you.

15:15:49 Kenn Thomas: That was quite fun. Thanks a lot. And hopefully we'll we'll talk again soon.

15:15:52 Shane Bugbee: Thanks a lot, Ken.

15:15:57 Doug Misicko: I like them.

15:15:58 Shane Bugbee: No, it was cool. Yeah, it was cool, man. I mean, he talks a little too much. But hell after 12 hours of being there talking. I didn't mind that was a nice break for my job, mon.

15:16:10 Doug Misicko: I mean, I feel a little bad. It seems like we expected to know everything. But you know...

15:16:14 Shane Bugbee: Well, no, I mean the... That he does make money off of conspiracy, first of all. He sells books. He gets paid to write books. I mean, he's making money off it. Which is not...

15:16:25 Doug Misicko: What he say? He's an architect?

15:16:26 Shane Bugbee: Well, yeah, it's not a bad thing. He's making money off of it.

15:16:29 Doug Misicko: No, not at all.

15:16:29 Shane Bugbee: I don't mind that. It's just you know. I also don't see a conspiracy in everything some things that life is just that's the fucking way it is. people stay in power for they're in power, and they like to stay in power. So they beat you down, they fuck you up. They scare you. They make you not have as much money as them, to stay in power. I mean, that's just the fucking way it is, you know?

15:16:51 Doug Misicko: Well, I I don't think McVeigh worked alone. I think there is...

15:16:54 Shane Bugbee: I didn't say he worked alone. And as a matter of fact, I don't I don't know. I never said he worked alone. But I don't think he was with the government. I think, I don't think that at all. I think people do a disservice to a lot of actions, like the power like the terrorists that bombed that flew the planes into the Twin Towers, they do a disservice that kind of stuff. He's talking about creative action. There's nothing more creative than taking a plane and fucking up 5000 people with it. There's nothing more creative than then. You know, fucking blowing down a building with manure. Cow shit in a rented truck.

15:17:28 Doug Misicko: Sure. I don't think you work with the government. But I think it worked with other people.

15:17:31 Shane Bugbee: He did. Absolutely.

15:17:32 Doug Misicko: But I think I really think the basis for the loan nut theory is to make it seem like the problem solved. And then when you have a group of people, it puts it in a whole different contexts. It makes people realize that other people agree with this. You can't blame it on a single maniac.

15:17:48 Shane Bugbee: They can't let the American public know how easy it is to get away with some shit. They've got to make it seem like we catch it. We got it. We got the three guys. There was a whole underground working with them. The lady who wrote the afterword or the editor's note to minors right last time. Katja Lane, David lane, the whole 14 words movement, those people were robbing Brinks trucks and robbing banks, amounting a lot of money to start a revolution these people are robbing banks. These are the fucking that's how they're getting their money for guns for to do this kind of to do this kind of stuff. So there is a whole underground that's out there flourishing right now.

15:18:24 Amy Bugbee: Also, you have to make the point that at that Oklahoma City federal building, there was no people of importance at work that day.

15:18:33 Shane Bugbee: That's right. Yeah, cocksucker can you get him back on the phone that motherfucker? Right, exactly right, Amy. They cleared out all those FBI agents and all those old fucking men with colon cancer, but they left the kids in the building. So you killed those kids.

15:18:46 Amy Bugbee: And they let the administrative staff and their children take the blast...

15:18:50 Shane Bugbee: Exactly.

15:18:51 Amy Bugbee: ...as their whatever sacrifice.

15:18:53 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Because they knew because you know what, as much as McVeigh and those groups that want to cause some trouble or shake things up want to do stuff. I believe that they knew about like you're saying, Doug. LaVey worked in a group just like these terrorists are the the gentlemen that ran into the buildings in New York, they work in a group and I don't believe anything gets passed. What the fuck the control of this government as in the power they have, I don't think one fucking thing it's under their nose. They got so much of a grip on us, which it's almost a lost cause. This is a slave state and that's the way it's gonna stay and McVeigh they stopped 100 McVeigh's they let McVeigh through for a reason you're absolutely right they let McVeigh do that and they let his group do it just like they let those fucking buildings, those planes flying into those buildings. There's no fucking way you don't know about a goddamn hunk of steel flying in the sky like that you got FAA all these you know... Amy Bugbee: ...as their whatever sacrifice.

15:18:53 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Because they knew because you know what, as much as McVeigh and those groups that want to cause some trouble or shake things up want to do stuff. I believe that they knew about like you're saying, Doug. McVay worked in a group just like these terrorists are the the gentlemen that ran into the buildings in New York, they work in a group and I don't believe anything gets passed. What the fuck the control of this government as in the power they have, I don't think one fucking thing it's under their nose. They got so much of a grip on us, which it's almost a lost cause. This is a slave state and that's the way it's gonna stay and McVeigh they stopped 100 McVeigh's they let McVeigh through for a reason you're absolutely right they let McVeigh do that and they let his group do it just like they let those fucking buildings, those planes flying into those buildings. There's no fucking way you don't know about a goddamn hunk of steel flying in the sky like that you got FAA all these you know...

15:19:02 Amy Bugbee: I wonder why they read news stories that Camp David was blown up for a good two days before they said oh it was a mistake, you know? Which old guys with colon cancer? Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Because they knew because you know what, as much as McVeigh and those groups that want to cause some trouble or shake things up want to do stuff. I believe that they knew about like you're saying, Doug. McVay worked in a group just like these terrorists are the the gentlemen that ran into the buildings in New York, they work in a group and I don't believe anything gets passed. What the fuck the control of this government as in the power they have, I don't think one fucking thing it's under their nose. They got so much of a grip on us, which it's almost a lost cause. This is a slave state and that's the way it's gonna stay and McVeigh they stopped 100 McVeigh's they let McVeigh through for a reason you're absolutely right they let McVeigh do that and they let his group do it just like they let those fucking buildings, those planes flying into those buildings. There's no fucking way you don't know about a goddamn hunk of steel flying in the sky like that you got FAA all these you know...

15:19:47 Amy Bugbee: I wonder why they read news stories that Camp David was blown up for a good two days before they said oh it was a mistake, you know? Which old guys with colon cancer?

15:19:59 Shane Bugbee: You know which old guys... who's asking that?

15:20:03 Amy Bugbee: I just said "old guys with colon cancer".

15:20:06 Shane Bugbee: What is Beavis and Butthead on those boards?

15:20:08 Amy Bugbee: Well, the chat room was very taken with your prank called the psychic hotline.

15:20:13 Doug Misicko: Oh, they like that. You know... Remember last night we're so tired. We're losing track of what you were saying?

15:20:20 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

15:20:20 Doug Misicko: Well now it's to the point I'm losing track of what Shane's saying, while he's talking.

15:20:24 Shane Bugbee: That's good. Get over on you now you fucker.

15:20:29 Doug Misicko: Oh, here it comes...

15:20:30 Shane Bugbee: Survival of, the most fucked up.

"Honey Hellfire" Interview

15:20:33 Amy Bugbee: Hello.

15:20:34 Honey Hellfire: Hi.

15:20:35 Amy Bugbee: Hey, honey.

15:20:36 Honey Hellfire: Hi, how are you?

15:20:37 Shane Bugbee: Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Honey's calling, huh?

15:20:40 Amy Bugbee: What an honor!

15:20:42 Shane Bugbee: Hello? Hey.

15:20:44 Honey Hellfire: How are you?

15:20:45 Amy Bugbee: Oh, crazed, exhausted.

15:20:49 Shane Bugbee: Crazed, exhausted, tired. hungry. neglected.

15:20:53 Honey Hellfire: No shit, I don't doubt it.

15:20:55 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. You do a radio show for this cheap station...

15:21:00 Honey Hellfire: Yeah.

15:21:01 Amy Bugbee: You did that exhaustive hour show.

15:21:04 Honey Hellfire: Well, I it used to be three. But, you know, I was just saying I did a three hour show. And I can just imagine what it's like for you guys.

15:21:11 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Honey, did you hear that song we play? Did you hear that song, we played for ya? It was unreleased. Tell her about it...

15:21:18 Doug Misicko: Yeah. It was a Revolting Cocks track, unreleased, they did "Let's get physical" by Olivia Newton John. They had to redo it because she sued. We played the original.

15:21:28 Honey Hellfire: Well, I'm gonna have to listen to it again. I can do that. You know?

15:21:31 Doug Misicko: You guys had it all recorded, huh?

15:21:33 Honey Hellfire: Uh-hu.

15:21:33 Doug Misicko: Nice.

15:21:34 Amy Bugbee: The whole show?

15:21:35 Honey Hellfire: Yeah.

15:21:37 Doug Misicko: So how are we doing, Honey? Lay it on us.

15:21:39 Honey Hellfire: Yeah, you're doing really well.

15:21:40 Shane Bugbee: Come over and I'm lay it on us Honey.

15:21:42 Doug Misicko: I want to. I do, you guys sound like you're having a hell of a lot of fun. Actually, if I could I'd be out there but...

15:21:50 Shane Bugbee: We're gonna start breaking out the wine in a couple hours.

15:21:52 Amy Bugbee: We haven't even even started drinking yet.

15:21:55 Doug Misicko: What do you think of Kenn Thomas?

15:21:57 Honey Hellfire: I'm sorry?

15:21:58 Doug Misicko: What did you think of Kenn Thomas?

15:22:00 Honey Hellfire: Jeez, I can barely hear you guys.

15:22:02 Shane Bugbee: Oh, Kenn Thomas, can you hear us? Oh, maybe? How about now? Honey Hellfire: Jeez, I can barely hear you guys.

15:22:02 Shane Bugbee: Oh, Kenn Thomas, can you hear us? Oh, maybe? How about now?

15:22:05 Amy Bugbee: The guest that was just on, what do you think of him?

15:22:09 Honey Hellfire: Um, actually, I didn't get to capture him. It was in the chat room.

15:22:13 Doug Misicko: Awwwe. What are you chatting about, If you're not listening?

15:22:17 Honey Hellfire: I was listening...

15:22:18 Doug Misicko: All right.

15:22:20 Amy Bugbee: A lot of it sounded Greek to me.

15:22:23 Shane Bugbee: So what's your take on all the stuff that's going on? Honey?

15:22:26 Honey Hellfire: September, 11th?

15:22:27 Shane Bugbee: Sure.

15:22:28 Honey Hellfire: Oh, man. I could go off about September 11, really.

15:22:33 Doug Misicko: Go ahead.

15:22:34 Honey Hellfire: I was there. And I was listening to it on the radio and people are freaking out about what's going on. Doug Misicko: Go ahead.

15:22:34 Honey Hellfire: I was there. And I was listening to it on the radio and people are freaking out about what's going on.

15:22:39 Doug Misicko: You were where?

15:22:40 Honey Hellfire: My only thought was "that bastard."

15:22:43 Shane Bugbee: Who's that bastartd as in George W?

15:22:45 Honey Hellfire: Yeah. Because, you know, the first question that you asked whenever you're, you know, thinking, who's a guilty party in something is who gains. And George Bush before that happened was the laughingstock of the world. And after that happened, he was the world's baby. And from there on, he got everything that he wanted that he wanted to get away with before.

15:23:07 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

15:23:08 Doug Misicko: Not only that, but the Israelis ran a mock right afterwards, because they knew there wouldn't be media coverage of that.

15:23:14 Shane Bugbee: It is that basic, isn't it? Honey?

15:23:16 Honey Hellfire: You know, I really just think who gains. And that's all there is to it.

15:23:20 Shane Bugbee: It is that basic. You're absolutely right. It's that simple.

15:23:23 Honey Hellfire: Yeah. That's all I could go. But really, really, really upsets me. I mean, the government pisses me off to no end. But what gets me is the way the American people are. Because...

15:23:39 Shane Bugbee: How so?

15:23:41 Honey Hellfire: Because...

15:23:44 Doug Misicko: The herd just takes what they're fed.

15:23:46 Honey Hellfire: I'm sorry?

15:23:46 Doug Misicko: The herd just takes what they're fed.

15:23:49 Honey Hellfire: Well, yeah, that and their attitudes, because they all have this holier than thou. Oh, we feel so sorry for all those poor people that died in that. And oh, but we should be allowed to wear jeans to work that day or have the day off because it's a holiday.

15:24:06 Amy Bugbee: If that was a lie what was being said in the chat room while Kenn Thomas was on about how nine-eleven's becoming a holiday.

15:24:19 Honey Hellfire: Oh, yeah, that was me.

15:24:20 Shane Bugbee: Oh, it is a celebration for some.

15:24:22 Honey Hellfire: Yeah!

15:24:23 Shane Bugbee: I'm not saying me. I'm not advocating eating guacamole and salsa on 911. Nor am I advocating killing 100 cops a day.

15:24:30 Amy Bugbee: Well, I am.

15:24:31 Shane Bugbee: Whoa! So did you tell it did I hear that the stream went down for a little bit when he was talking conspiracy?

15:24:40 Honey Hellfire: It was skipping here and there.

15:24:42 Shane Bugbee: Oh, you think that's spooky? What?

15:24:45 Honey Hellfire: I said, "they are onto you."

15:24:46 Shane Bugbee: Uh-Oh, fuck.

15:24:48 That's the only time that's happened...

15:24:50 Doug Misicko: Also,honey, I want to add the disclaimer that nobody here on this show has advocated killing the president. We have not advocated killing the president.

15:25:01 Amy Bugbee: Well then, I'm gonna change that right now.

15:25:03 Shane Bugbee: I wouldn't...

15:25:05 Honey Hellfire: Run the disclaimer.

15:25:06 Doug Misicko: Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't take that stand if I were you.

15:25:09 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, Amy.

15:25:10 Amy Bugbee: I'm just kidding.

15:25:11 Doug Misicko: She's about.. she meant she was about to accuse somebody else of having done that.

15:25:14 Shane Bugbee: You understand, Amy, that takes you to jail. Right?

15:25:17 Amy Bugbee: I know. I know. Okay.

15:25:20 Shane Bugbee: Anyone out there looking for a room?

15:25:24 Honey Hellfire: I'm sorry?

15:25:25 Doug Misicko: The whore of horrors is coming to your cell.

15:25:28 Amy Bugbee: Shane's replacing me already. He'ss getting ready for my prison sentence.

15:25:33 Shane Bugbee: My goodness, Amy...

15:25:34 Honey Hellfire: Oh, you know, I thought they came in took you away over your lunch break.

15:25:37 Shane Bugbee: Did you?

15:25:38 Honey Hellfire: Yeah.

15:25:38 Shane Bugbee: No we just... Honey Hellfire: Yeah.

15:25:38 Shane Bugbee: No we just...

15:25:40 Honey Hellfire: It's been a while, he got hauled off on the Patriot Act or something. We'll never hear from them again.

15:25:44 Shane Bugbee: Well, we got a hot tub here. We just all got in the hot tub and relax and smoke couple cigars. You know, talking. Saying Fuck. Fuck the crowd.

15:25:53 Honey Hellfire: Tell me, I want to be there.

15:25:55 Doug Misicko: Then we saw a suspicious looking floater and we got a pool and came back here.

15:26:03 Honey Hellfire: To funny. You guys. Even doing this live stuff more often, right?

15:26:08 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. Whatever. We'll do. 24 hours. Three days a week.

15:26:14 Honey Hellfire: Yeah, right.

15:26:16 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

15:26:17 Doug Misicko: I'll arrange my schedule. Get three days off. I'll come here all for em.

15:26:21 Honey Hellfire: Well, I'll just have to be there. Whenever you guys do your next live show. I'll just have to be there.

15:26:25 Shane Bugbee: Oh, we should do some for Halloween. Honey. We should do a nice party or something. And do something. Something similar.

15:26:32 Honey Hellfire: Yeah, that was fun.

15:26:33 Shane Bugbee: But maybe not as exhaustive.

15:26:37 Honey Hellfire: It was a lot of fun.

15:26:39 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. We have to do it again this year, though.

15:26:42 Honey Hellfire: Yeah. We'll see about that. I'm gonna be busy over Halloween.

15:26:47 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. you're recording right?

15:26:48 Honey Hellfire: Yeah...

15:26:49 Shane Bugbee: Oh, that's cool. No?

15:26:50 Honey Hellfire: No one out in radio land knows about that, though. Shane Bugbee: Oh, that's cool. No?

15:26:50 Honey Hellfire: No one out in radio land knows about that, though.

15:26:53 Shane Bugbee: They do?

15:26:53 Honey Hellfire: No.

15:26:54 Shane Bugbee: Oh, I'm sorry.

15:26:56 Honey Hellfire: There's a little secret for everyone out there.

15:26:58 Shane Bugbee: We're breaking news right now.

15:27:00 Doug Misicko: You heard it here first, from us.

15:27:03 Shane Bugbee: You heard it here first, Honey Hellfire has just joined.

15:27:09 Amy Bugbee: ...coming out with our top 10 CD.

15:27:13 Doug Misicko: Find that Cobra man. Get him to do a train. I'm serious. I got to look this guy up. I never heard of this. I have to confirm what Kenn Thomas was saying. Did you catch that? She said he said there's a guy in Texas or some shit.

15:27:28 Amy Bugbee: Who injects himself with Cobra...

15:27:30 Doug Misicko: Yeah, he injects himself with cobra venom. And that he he's taking on the features of a reptilian.

15:27:39 Amy Bugbee: Well, one thing I can say about Kenn Thomas's he is not a reader of Lovecraft. Because lovecrafts whole theory was that we were lizards. And that there was still races of lizards that lived under the water and in caves. Wasn't about the dark arts or anything.

15:27:58 Honey Hellfire: And where did you find those mushrooms?

15:28:03 Doug Misicko: You could summon them by use of the Necronomicon.

15:28:07 Honey Hellfire: Ah, I see.

15:28:09 Amy Bugbee: Someone is inquiring about our next guest already.

15:28:12 Shane Bugbee: Oh, who's our next guest?

15:28:13 Doug Misicko: Yeah. Who's that?

15:28:14 Amy Bugbee: Eugene!

15:28:15 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah. When do we call him? Do you know who Eugene is, Honey?

15:28:21 Honey Hellfire: No, I don't.

15:28:22 Shane Bugbee: This is a guy Amy dug up. Is a guy who has been quote like Parfrey, Boyde Rice. The Rollins...

15:28:28 Amy Bugbee: power fry was just a punky little...What is that? Inheiritance kid.

15:28:41 Honey Hellfire: I won't be around to hear it.

15:28:43 Amy Bugbee: Too bad.

15:28:44 Honey Hellfire: I'm gonna have to tune in. I'm just gonna... You know, I can do that. I'll have to listen to it later.

15:28:50 Amy Bugbee: All right. Sure you will...

15:28:53 Honey Hellfire: Take care you guys I'm hoping that I'll be able to do something live with you later in the future.

15:28:58 Shane Bugbee: Whoo. Yeah, soon.

15:29:01 Honey Hellfire: Yes, me and my bone.

15:29:02 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah, exactly.

15:29:05 Honey Hellfire: Later, guys.

15:29:06 Shane Bugbee: Hey, see you later, Honey.

15:29:08 Amy Bugbee: Thanks for calling.

15:29:09 Honey Hellfire: No problem.

15:29:10 Doug Misicko: Bye.

15:29:13 Amy Bugbee: Good ol' Honey Hellfire checking in.

15:29:15 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah. The best radio show on Radio Free Satan.

15:29:19 Amy Bugbee: Walls are...

15:29:20 Shane Bugbee: Doug, get the fuck out of here, you fucking prick! Fuck Motherfucker oh god damn it.

15:29:26 Amy Bugbee: You fucked up that wall Doug.

15:29:29 Doug Misicko: It's cool.

15:29:31 Shane Bugbee: You know a one armed bandit I got the one eyed bandit.

15:29:36 Doug Misicko: It's in order, the wall is still standing.

15:29:39 Shane Bugbee: Oh you know what? You know what I just forgot?

15:29:42 Amy Bugbee: What?

15:29:43 Shane Bugbee: I forgot that we probably should play one of these one of these lovely...

15:29:56 Canned Audio: [potato quality audio]

15:30:53 Pre-record (fem): Some of the opinions and topics expressed on this program may be objectionable to some people. The opinions expressed in this program are solely the opinions of the individuals who express them. They are not necessarily the opinions of any member of Radio Free Satan or Mephisto Media. Some of them are the opinions of people we don't even know, and some of them are the opinions of people that we just made up. If you're offended by something on this program, please just don't listen. If you're tempted by what you hear on this program to do something potentially dangerous or illegal, you are an idiot. And we refuse to be held responsible for your stupidity. In short, don't try this at home or at all.

15:31:38 Doug Misicko (pre-record): Natural selection and modern civilization have ceased to exist. Today we live in a world overpopulated with bottom feeders. The pool is overfilled with the dregs, there is no inherent value on human life. The value is earned and most people are running a deficit. They're worse than worthless. They're counter-productive. What can be done? www.dysgenics.com.

15:32:13 Shane Bugbee: Evilnow.com your home for hate. Evilnow.com your home for Satan. Evilnow.com we love to hate you.

15:32:30 Pre-record (masc): It affects stupid people have stupid children. If you're stupid, please don't have sex. If you insist on having sex, then please have sex with animals. Preferably animals smarter than you are. That way if by some biological fluke, you and the animal actually have offspring, odds are the offspring will be less stupid than you are. One more thing. Don't assume the animal is protected. If the animal has a condom, always females some sort of intrauterine device insists they wear it. Please help stamp out this mindless mindlessness. Keep your stupidity to yourself. This message brought to you by the Council of concerned citizens who are smarter than you are with our professional athletes committed to quality and service. But as soon as you go in the back of the shop and listen to that thing radio shows while you're paying. That's radio station. [racist music]

15:44:13 Amy Bugbee: Good old skinny puppy.

15:44:15 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah, I'm gonna try something out here and you're just gonna have to deal with it because I don't know what these are. So I'm gonna play them. We're gonna find out what they are. Ok?

15:44:30 Doug Misicko: You talking sound files on computer?

15:44:33 Unknown: Girl animal ins. This is the Battle of sex an animal act so desperately.

15:44:45 Shane Bugbee: Okay, we found one, Amy. Found the Lydia lunch track.

15:44:49 Amy Bugbee: Okay.

15:44:49 Shane Bugbee: Talk a little about Eugene.

15:44:50 Amy Bugbee: All right, well, coming up, we're gonna play some tracks from a record that I've had for many a year probably like 15 years averted tragedy, and I found it in a record store when I was about 18. Whoa, No, I wasn't 18. Don't add that up. And it has Anton Levey on it... other people, and I really enjoyed it. And I ordered the magazines through the back of the album, the birth of tragedy magazine. And, well, our next guest is going to be the publisher of those magazines and the creator of the birth of tragedy album. Eugene Robinson. Eugene is the reason that Adam Parfrey publishes and the reason that Boyde Rice does whatever it is that he does, he was he was their inspiration. So...

15:45:55 Shane Bugbee: Okay, so I'd say we'd play this Lydia Lunch track.

15:45:58 Amy Bugbee: Sounds good.

15:45:59 Shane Bugbee: What time are we calling Eugene?

15:46:00 Amy Bugbee: We're gonna come in about five minutes.

15:46:02 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Rich, am I too close to the mic now? Two minute delay. Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna play this track and enjoy. Then we're gonna call Eugene.

15:46:30 Lydia Lunch: This is the Battle of sex as an animal act, fucked up by your emotions. The human animal struggles vainly to control his natural animal instincts, so it'd be better able to fit into the norm of society, a contradiction in terms. Sometimes, however, either due to chemical or hormonal imbalance, a fist of facts, or a flagrant disregard for the outdated and inhibitions so called code of ethics. The thin line which separates the animal from the vegetable is obliterated, leaving them free to intoxicate their need to fulfill the lowest common denominator. With the mating of bird ignorance and the sheer force of will they are willing to meet and greet any danger no matter how devastating the consequences in order to fewer the necessary agitation, which feeds their entire existence. Without the stimulating and toxic and the banality of their boring and miserable lives, becomes to chronic and depressing a constant to bear only through the threat of constant danger, or the imprisonment of incomprehensive or pain. Can they find a suitable distraction to veer them away from the doll reality which they seek so desperately to escape? The reality that they will never ever be? Another Charles Manson, Jim Morrison, Jim Jones, jack the Ripper, Tex Ritter, Clint Eastwood, Mario Andretti, Mohammed, les Lenny Bruce, Lizzie burden, Andy Warhol or Albert Einstein. The fact that they're going to be struggling every other day of their lousy goddamn lives just to be able to afford the cost of living yet another heartless, rotten existence full of hard eggs, bomb deals, bad trips, burnouts, rip offs, fuck ups and every other stinking lousy abuse. You want to fling in the face of these poor miserable Bull misfit reject loser outlaws here, outlaws the kind of people that don't fit in to your society, because to fit in would be the kiss of death doll, john square. So instead, they pretend they're neo nazis would might stick Dix no brains but banging into yours in the middle of the goddamn night looking for whatever you're doing that don't fit right in with their ideologically unsound concept of reality and how they want to alter yours by offering you up as some kind of human sacrifice. All the while trying to see if you're pigheaded or chicken hard enough to beg for your life once they've got you hard time. And I'm all for animal liberation. And the right to be a pig. Because that's what it's all about.

Eugene Robinson Interview

15:50:47 Shane Bugbee: Hello. [Ringing] We're dialing Eugene.

15:50:55 Eugene Robinson: Hello.

15:50:56 Amy Bugbee: Eugene?

15:50:57 Eugene Robinson: Yes.

15:50:58 Amy Bugbee: Hi, it's Amy.

15:50:59 Eugene Robinson: Hey Amy, what are you doing?

15:51:00 Amy Bugbee: A radio show. Eugene Robinson: Hey Amy, what are you doing?

15:51:00 Amy Bugbee: A radio show.

15:51:05 Eugene Robinson: We aren't on the air now, are we?

15:51:07 Amy Bugbee: I believe we are. Are you ready?

15:51:10 Eugene Robinson: I am ready as ready as I'm gonna be. You're nice and soft. Actually four minutes early, but that's cool. Can you can you hear me?

15:51:19 Amy Bugbee: I can hear you. Great. Can you hear us?

15:51:21 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, exactly. You guys nice and clear.

15:51:24 Shane Bugbee: Really?

15:51:25 Amy Bugbee: Excellent. Sounds good, huh Gene?

15:51:28 Eugene Robinson: I can, I can't I can't hear the male voice quite as well. But that's alright. Maybe it's just me. There's a... There's a delay on your voice. But how are you guys doing?

15:51:42 Amy Bugbee: We're getting deranged. We've been on the air since midnight. So...

15:51:46 Eugene Robinson: Now that you're doing that without the chemical advantage, are you augmented since midnight?

15:51:52 Eugene Robinson: ...got a public forum. You don't have to admit anything. Okay. Eugene Robinson: Now that you're doing that without the chemical advantage, are you augmented since midnight?

15:51:52 Eugene Robinson: ...got a public forum. You don't have to admit anything. Okay.

15:51:53 Amy Bugbee: Just coffee... Eugene Robinson: ...got a public forum. You don't have to admit anything. Okay.

15:51:54 Eugene Robinson: ...got a public forum. You don't have to admit anything. Okay.

15:51:55 Shane Bugbee: Some of the good stuff. That good shit. Eugene Robinson: ...got a public forum. You don't have to admit anything. Okay.

15:52:01 Eugene Robinson: ...got a public forum. You don't have to admit anything. Okay.

15:52:04 Amy Bugbee: So before we called you, we played the track have Lydia lunch from your birth of tragedy record? Yeah. And I was explaining a little bit how I came across your album and stuff. And I was hoping you would kind of tell us how you wound up doing such a such an unusual endeavor?

15:52:25 Eugene Robinson: Well, you're talking about the records specifically, are you talking beyond about the magazine actually?

15:52:31 Amy Bugbee: I think both, well I guess what came first?

15:52:35 Eugene Robinson: The magazine came first the magazine predated the release. And I just live in New York City and had a horrible job in which I had access to two things and access to a Xerox machine and typewriter. This being 1979 or 80 or something. And I was heavily influenced by this magazine called the Vallium Addict. Which it turns out, I discovered later was a magazine that was put out by Richard Kearns and he used to do he used to do the vallium addict, the heroin addict, you know, the speed addict. He had a whole issue for each kind of drug. And I said, I you know, at some point, after I moved to California, I'd started all this stuff in New York, I want to start a magazine. And I named it after the book by Nietzsche , the book of tragedy. And started in the first issue was Xerox, and then after that, I discovered that I want to have themed issues, you know, an issue for fear, issue for power, issue for God, issue for love and and so on. And everybody was exceedingly cool. And in a, you know, as this burst of Think Tank type thinking I decided, you know, it would be cooler to have the people who, who were on the record, to be, you know, where I get a magazine to do something on the record, you know, take traditionalist and do them in a non-traditional way, you know, take ginsburg sing a song because he's not a singer voice you know, at this time before spoken word is really big. If somebody like Rawlins and have him tell a story, you know, Lydia at that time was known mostly for music ever do you know do something else? So that was the general idea. And you know, recording extremely cheaply, just send me a tape I went to, you know, I don't want to be any difficulty to entry, you know? I didn't want there to be any difficulty to entry at all. So I figured I could fix it in the studio. And, and that was a compilation which the amusing part is taking it to, to a distributor at a time and a guy ordered, I said, this is going to be kind of a cool release, he said, well give me 10 I'll take more than 10. And the guy goes now, okay, we'll take 15. And I took him 15. And he just sales people got on the phone. And by the time I gotten back home to live that live outside of San Francisco, about 15 minutes back home, he had already called up and asked for gimme 200. So he was probably the best selling release, I've had anything to do with just because of his weird mix of characters and characterizations and the stuff that's on there, you know?

15:55:13 Shane Bugbee: Now, which one was this?

15:55:16 Amy Bugbee: The record, right?

15:55:18 Eugene Robinson: It's a record and a tape. And we just signed a license with a German label called skin and speech to do a CD. But that's, that's, that's moving very slowly.

15:55:31 Amy Bugbee: So, you're going to put this out on CD, eventually?

15:55:34 Eugene Robinson: It makes sense. It makes sense. Do it on CD. I mean, you know, in the earlier days, we had grandiose plans of doing it, you know, of doing a visual component to you know, recording people and, and so forth. But, you know, finances dictate everything. So that never ended up panning out the way it should have. And, of course, a lot of those people are now dead, so it will never happen. Unless resurrection becomes part of our daily doings.

15:56:04 Doug Misicko: Did you ever organize any live shows?

15:56:07 Eugene Robinson: I'm sorry, did I what?

15:56:09 Doug Misicko: ...organize any live shows?

15:56:13 Eugene Robinson: You know, there was an idea. And I mean, you know, behind it all you have to have, you know, sort of impressive empresario. And the closest that that we came to I mean, the closest we came to something like that was something that we had nothing to do with at all. It was Rawllins at the time, you know, influenced by it decided to put together I think the tool was called our fathers who were not in heaven. And it was he went on tour with him and Lydia Lunch. And instead of Ginsburg, he got Hubert Selby. And then there was one other guy. And that was the closest thing to a road show. But yeah, I mean, you know, us doing a live version of it would have been impossible. Anyway, Manson's in prison, you know, and it just, you got to think it until you, you know, when that thing came out, I think it was 1988 89 something like that. I mean, it wasn't all that popular back then, you know, when the record was selling well, but, you know, people hadn't really gotten their heads around the idea that, you know, 400 people would pay to see a guy speak, you know, I mean, Rawlins hadn't started really doing spoken word then. So.

15:57:29 Amy Bugbee: Right, you were really ahead of your time.

15:57:31 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, well, that doesn't that doesn't mean the property, you know. It doesn't it doesn't a weird way. You know, like Adam porphyry, who runs feral press, who was made, you know, made his bones large. I mean, he's done the Lords of Chaos, you know, the book about the church burnings. And I mean, he's put out lots of great books since then, but he kind of got his leg up by doing the LaVey books, you know, kind of subbing out all the churches, Satan's stuff. So he did that directly, kind of as a result of the incident acknowledged by him in print at this point several times, as a result of my indirect agency, you know, which is kind of cool. You know, and the last time I talked, talked to him, which is about two months ago, he was talking about doing some kind of a book with, you know, a non... He wants me to do to write a nonfiction book where I can talk about a lot of stuff I'm talking to you about, because he thinks it would make a compelling document of some sort. I think he's insane. But no one wants to put out a book, I'm not going to stop them. So

15:58:42 Amy Bugbee: I think what you did is just fascinating, especially at the time that you sought out Anton LaVey and interviewed him. He was kind of a recluse, and he really wasn't doing stuff in the public and he wasn't in the public.

15:58:56 Eugene Robinson: Your recallection is pretty good. I mean, he had he had purposefully. Our interview was the first interview that he had done. And like since I think he declared a moratorium on interviews in 1973. You know, he got tired of being part of the dog and pony show, the October 31, where there's a... Let's go talk to that wacky guy for Halloween. He said inevitably, he was misquoted and it was horrible. And I think he originally was spot is because we, you know, our base of operations is is. We're in Stanford, California connecting back. I mean, maybe the perception was a side of it that we're connected to the university. So he figured at least maybe it would be something serious and somewhat academic initially, and when we showed up was a very funny, untold story. When we showed up, of course, he was at his house kind of overlooking this big hill, and he was a very bashful guy, he got...dug the theater of it. And it was a hot night and the dogs were barking and you know, he had socks on. He came padding up behind me, was up... his ability to follow goes, he was great. He was really wonderful. And I sit down and I play the taper... He was able to body guard and Blanche Barton. And he said, "Ah no no. We don't use tape recorders." And I said "what?!" They end up being used against you, you just take notes. So I asked the first question, he starts launching into, you know, his appreciation for the 1940s as a decade, and I'm scribbling, you know, as fast as I can, and I had to say, "Okay, hold on, when you said that part about the 1940s as a decade, repeat what you said after that." And I didn't do it to be a wise guy, you know, but he looked at my scribbles and saw that it was pretty much going to be a hopeless operation. And, you know, in that moment, made a command decision said, "You know what? Look, why don't you just turn a tape recorder on?" And that's pretty much what made that such a good interview, because there's no way even if I had known some kind of stenographers shorthand that I could have, you know, that I could have done that as fast as I needed to do it. So it helped quite a bit. You know, and, I mean, there's a certain amount of editing that goes on that he had not been afforded before. I mean, he said that they always consistently tried to make him out to be this, you know, umtry character, and, you know, they put in ums and uhs and, you know, and stuff like that. It just, and we took ourselves seriously as a journalist. And, you know, you wouldn't done that the Henry Kissinger and I didn't, I didn't think that you need to do that for Anton Levey. You know, how you edit it the way you know it the way it should be edited? And consequently, he was really happy with it. I mean, it still exist online on the Church of Satan site. Is it... is it not?

Hour 17

Eugene Robinson Interview (cont.)

16:01:47 Amy Bugbee: That's how I actually found you because I knew that the interview was on Church of Satan.com. And I looked it up because I don't have your magazines anymore. They were burned in a fire.

16:01:59 Eugene Robinson: Oh! Fire that was sent intentionally or an accidental one?

16:02:03 Amy Bugbee: Lost everything pretty much.

16:02:05 Eugene Robinson: Right, right. Right. Okay.

16:02:07 Amy Bugbee: So, I did a search and I came up with a lot of stuff on the football player, Eugene Robinson.

16:02:14 Eugene Robinson: The whoremonger. I'd like that guy. One of you born again Christian whoremonger. Perfect. Yeah, there's several Eugene Robinson's out there, I kind of enjoy anonymity of the name, you know. And, you know, it was an association that that lasted, lasted a while. And yeah, he was more than helpful for with subsequent stuff. We were going to rerelease some of his records and record some of his new records. And then Hartley stepped in, and he got him into the publishing thing, you know. And I think that ultimately, that's a much better place for him at the time. He was thinking about doing a book, a research book as well. He wasn't thinking about it, he'd already done, like 40 hours, 60 hours of interviews with Vale Research. And, and then Vale got wind of the fact that he was going to do something out of Vale and said, "No, we only do exclusives" and LaVey... That's insane. And so there is also out there somewhere an unpublished LaVey book that the guy that research have their hands on, which I think will probably remain, you know, unpublished, which is too bad.

16:03:19 Doug Misicko: Yeah, that's what I heard I heard they're sitting on tapes, hours and hours of tapes.

16:03:23 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, yeah, they are. Which, I mean, you know...

16:03:29 Doug Misicko: Now there's an asshole, for ya.

16:03:30 Eugene Robinson: I like I like Vale. But the whole thing has been, Vale, you know, a friend of mine, and you know, I love their books. But, you know, I'm going to take a moment of self stroking pride here. I took the brunt of drudgery interview was still one of the... you know,

16:03:50 Doug Misicko: This is a friend of yours. Have a talk with them.

16:03:53 Eugene Robinson: Is what?

16:03:53 Doug Misicko: Some people want to see that material real bad. You should have a talk with your friend there.

16:03:57 Eugene Robinson: Right... Yeah, that's Yeah, you know, I mean, he's gonna have a certain way of doing things and he didn't he didn't want to be part of you know, the CoS publicity machine. So Vale, they had a very specific way to like to work but you know, it doesn't it doesn't really serve the artists well. I mean, you got to get out there and do your thing.

16:04:21 Eugene Robinson: So yeah, I won't... I've often been curious about it, you know, just just to hear what was said what they talked about. But, you know. Eugene Robinson: Right... Yeah, that's Yeah, you know, I mean, he's gonna have a certain way of doing things and he didn't he didn't want to be part of you know, the CoS publicity machine. So Vale, they had a very specific way to like to work but you know, it doesn't it doesn't really serve the artists well. I mean, you got to get out there and do your thing.

16:04:21 Eugene Robinson: So yeah, I won't... I've often been curious about it, you know, just just to hear what was said what they talked about. But, you know.

16:04:32 Shane Bugbee: It's funny. LaVey told us the same story, me and Amy had been fortunate enough to do an interview with LeVey. And we did the last interview with him.

16:04:41 Eugene Robinson: Yeah. Yeah.

16:04:42 Shane Bugbee: And he told us the same story you're telling us about the Vale tapes? And then we went to a book convention, San Francisco, and we sat next to Vale.

16:04:51 Eugene Robinson: Oh, you talk to him about it?

16:04:52 Shane Bugbee: Well, no, I didn't talk to him. When he turned his back. I took all of his books and dumped them in a dumpster and he came back said, "Where's my books?" I said, "I don't know." I think he's gonna be such a dick... I mean, you know? Fuck him.

16:05:07 He said, W"here's my books? "And I said, "Where's LaVey's tapes?" Ran ran out of there.

16:05:13 Did he accuse you of throwing his book away?

16:05:15 Well, I didn't... he wasn't gonna accuse me, he ran away, just walked away. I would have just, you know...

16:05:22 Eugene Robinson: I think that would have been a perfect story. If what he said, "You see my bag?" You say, "yeah, I throw it away." Your... Vale is not much of a fighter. You could have easily told him what you did with it, but it would have ended there. Well, maybe maybe you would have gotten a cop, I don't know. But you know, I mean, that's, that's neither here nor there. I mean, like I said, as far as I'm concerned, the Book of Tragedy is probably all the interview with LaVey you need, to know. I mean, it's, again I'm stroking myself, I mean, had a good time, we caught him at a good time. And it just, it still makes me really happy to read, you know, to the review.

16:06:02 Shane Bugbee: you know, when he told us to handwrite the notes. I said, there's no way we're going to be able to do that. We're never going to be able to do that. So we've answered the questions through a fax. You know, a fax?

16:06:12 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, that's, you know, I mean, these guys like to like to control control the deal. But you know, it's... I mean, you're in the wrong business. You know, nobody's interviewing gas station attendants, you know. You, I mean, as a journalist, if you want to, you know, you gotta, you gotta go for the real deal. And these guys don't want to give you a real deal that they need to go into a different business. So...

16:06:42 Amy Bugbee: I have to agree that your interview was one of the quintessential LaVey interviews, because he was so out of the spotlight at that point. Probably inspired him to republish The Satanic Witch.

16:06:56 Eugene Robinson: Right, right, right, right. Yeah, I mean, you know, that's, I mean, he originally approached us about doing all the stuff that Parfrey Adam Parfrey is doing, like subbing his stuff, you know, stuff that they had already released the stuff that they, you know, that he wanted to release. And, and, unfortunately, at the time, you know, we were and still are, I mean, it's just me and one other guy, very small operation, you know, so we were not in a position to really give him what, what Parfrey could give him and, and also, we, we got much more obsessed with, at that point, you know, then the whole religious, we started working on an evil version of the tragedy that has to do with race war. Which starting to take up a lot of our time, which ultimately didn't end up did not end up happening just because, you know...

16:07:56 Shane Bugbee: I know, I'm still waiting for the race war.

16:07:58 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, well, you know, I just expected the guy. I mean, I think it's a bullshit boondoggle myself, but I just found the personality is kind of interesting, but in actual fact, that ends up being not very interesting at all, you know.

16:08:11 Doug Misicko: Your black, right?

16:08:14 Eugene Robinson: It shouldn't have been a surprise to me, but...

16:08:18 Doug Misicko: You're, you're black, right?

16:08:21 Eugene Robinson: Last time I checked, that's correct. Yes.

16:08:23 Amy Bugbee: You know, when I looked you up, and I saw the football player, and I clicked on the splatter punk...er I can't remember... Eugene Robinson: Last time I checked, that's correct. Yes.

16:08:23 Amy Bugbee: You know, when I looked you up, and I saw the football player, and I clicked on the splatter punk...er I can't remember...

16:08:33 Eugene Robinson: Splater Promotions.

16:08:33 Amy Bugbee: Splater Promotions website and your picture popped up. I said, this can't be the guy. That guy isn't into LaVey...

16:08:44 Eugene Robinson: I get that a lot. You know, I used to deal with the Manson people quite a bit. Because, because Manson was on the tape and, you know, you know, you just, you know, the family, the family and it still exists. Once we were living out in Big Bear, you know, the, you know, you get involved with Manson you get involved with the rest of the Black Forest, the rest of the family and it was just always, always amusing, you know, for me, again, the days before email, so I was talking to people on the phone, and you know, faxes may be letters, but it was amusing that you know, the name had been heard, you know, the birth of tragedy Eugene Robinson, but then nobody had any idea of who it was that I was. And then as usual, with these, some of these dealings, we had gone to come to loggerheads, you know, the family was pissed off about something, you know, they were, you know, I had them on a 90 day pay plan they wanted in advance the 30 days, I said, I'll give you like we agreed to in 90 days, they accused me of being a thief. And they started making idle threats. And that's when I started laughing. I said, I don't know what you're thinking of dealing with. You might think you're dealing with some guy who works in a bookstore, who's got glasses, who digs your shit, you know, but I will kill all of you. And, you know, I had to back them up.

16:10:11 Shane Bugbee: Guys at the bookstores...

16:10:13 Eugene Robinson: I was like, you know, using steroids. And I was not in the mindframe to be fucked with by some dirty hippies. So, it's always amusing that the you know, what people expect. And what they find, when they find me, are very frequently at opposite ends of the spectrum.

16:10:36 Amy Bugbee: I have to admit, I was shocked. All the years that I had read the birth of tragedy magazine and listen to your record, it never even occurred to me that you might be black. And it just is an oddity, I suppose in the subject matter that you're delving into. I mean, it's not something that... it's very atypical.

16:10:56 Eugene Robinson: It might be Yeah, it might be, but I mean, and, you know, and that was, which, I mean, you know, we've gone in and out of varying degrees of, you know, career awareness. And, you know, we've hired PR companies at some points to sell our self. And at some point that always comes up. And I've always rejected that as a sales topic, you know, you know, I don't give, I don't care that America is obsessed with it, you know, I'm not obsessed with it. It's immaterial, you know, I mean, it's material to me, only, it makes people uncomfortable. You know, and I tend to be a student of uncomfortability, you know, but they always want that they always want to work that angle, you know, because because for them, it's unusual. You know, for me, it's not unusual, it's dull, it's, you know, prosaic I'm not interested in it very far at all, you know, and at some point, I was working on a project with Boyde Rice. And somebody out there trying to get money for this project, that remix project, I wanted him to remix Oxbow, and he was into Oxbow. And he told me the same thing Parfrey said, which was your Anton LaVey interview changed my life, you know, and, and it sort of did. I mean, you know, he explained to me, he'd been that happy go lucky, you know, fool on the hill from the Richard Price book to the Boyde Rice that we know of today. And, you know, he, I mean, the first night that he met, lovey, we all met Joe Sarno, this Swedish filmmaker had a showing in San Francisco and LaVey and I and his daughter had gone. And we met, that was the first night boy that I really wanted me to show up, dressed like Tom Wolfe. It was great, you know, white pants, a hat and cain and stuff. And you know, he... you guys stil there?

16:12:47 Amy Bugbee: Yeah.

16:12:47 Shane Bugbee: Sorry, man. It's a great story.

16:12:50 Eugene Robinson: You know, he was very genuine gentleman lady. And you know, and I had no, I had no idea that was his road to Damascus moment. It was gonna change his life, but I'm glad and aftermath. I haven't been there. But yeah, the whole the whole race thing doesn't people say, Are you working with Boyde Rice? He was horrible, horrible racist. And my attitude has been "so what?" You know, I mean, you know, it's all armchair politics, as far as I'm concerned, you know, unless you're, you know, unless you're finding yourself in an alleyway, you know, with a guy with a baseball bat, or, you know, a two ball in the sock. It's all academic at that point, you know, I mean, you know, these these weird nestalgia cults, you know, pseudo homosexual Nazi worship. I mean, this is this is immaterial, and insofar as it might amuse me, it does. So, as long as it doesn't keep me from making quick time cross town. In fact, you know, that's my campaign slogan, "quick time cross town", you know, believe any weird fucking thing you want. Just don't keep me from making quick time cross town, you know, I don't get nearly as exercised about, you know, about this kind of stuff as somebody might expect. And therefore, you know, you have explained its absence in any of the work that I've done, you know, man, I find it much less interesting than then the work I've done. You know?

16:14:18 Amy Bugbee: It's just unusual. I mean, you know, let's say a Henry Rollins concert or something. Black Flag, I could probably... in the city of Chicago, there might be one black person at the show. So, so where did your interest in these things come from in LaVey and in, you know, the individuals Manson and stuff like that?

16:14:41 Shane Bugbee: Quest for knowledge, right?

16:14:43 Eugene Robinson: No, I mean, I've been on a pretty, I mean, it's been a pretty steady, you know, investigation of the nature of evil, you know, which I've maintained for a long time, which I think was probably born out of, you know, the 60s when I came of age and, you know, in overruning awareness of, you know, the fact that we live in a dissonant universe, you know, I mean, you know, the 60s were very much the Age of Aquarius, but you know, on TV is a 6 or 7 year old, you know, that's, that's not what was happening. And, and moreover, this was one thing that we got to an interview, you know, the, the interview with LaVey was an extended kind of meditation on on the nature of evil. I mean, after we covered, you know, his background stuff, and where he is now and what he likes. I mean, that's what that's what we're discussing, and, and my real question, fundamentally, you know, you can want to know, all the questions down that I had an entire interview with my question for him was, "have you felt this thing move inside of you?" You know, I mean, as as a fighter, I mean, it's only in the last, you know, 10 years that I've been a trained fighter, but I mean, I enjoyed fighting and, you know, and at one point, you know, fighting as an intellectual exercise. I mean, your body is doing something, I started to have these like, weird out of body experiences in the midst of a fight where I feel these, you know, this hysterical, you know, this, ...hysteria, patheos, this rising or, you know, bloodlust, you know, happening in the midst of a fight. And I said, Ah, you know, I haven't, I've now been able to give evil a face, you know, it's got to face it's got dimension and measure. And I can't be the only one out there who feels party to this, you know. And so the, the, the LaVey interview was, in essence, I mean, I kind of wanted to know, you know, I didn't want to know if he had talked to Satan. I mean, I, in fact, you know, I thought the interview had gotten really interesting when he admitted that he was an atheist and didn't believe any of this shit, you know, you know, but I wanted to, I wanted to find out, you know, whether he had felt this kind of rising inside that, you know, that I that he, you know, had identified at this, this early early fistfight, you know, and, and I was sad that we didn't have more time, because we were almost getting to it on the tape and didn't and didn't quite get through it. I mean, he started going down that road of, well, it's okay, I'll tell you what evil is, evil is what doesn't feel good. And, and I said, "Well, no, I'm talking about the light in cruelty. You know, I'm talking about the aspect of it that feels good." And then we kind of segwayed into, you know, how liberating is for some people to stand up and declare, I'm a Satanist. And you know, how is liberating and kind of sexually exciting, it might be for some of them. And then he started to get into the, what he called the occult mix. And then we kind of got sidetracked and at that point, I was a young enough journalist, so I didn't, you know, and I was enamored enough of what was happening in the moment of the interview that I didn't think of trying to get back around to that, which is a real fundamental important fucking question to have answered, you know, if you're talking to the guy from the churches say, and so that's the only thing when I read the interview, I cringed that I just didn't take that opportunity and grasp it and get back around to do you know, what I'm talking about? Have you felt this to you know, you know, I mean, there's certain guys out there who, you know, who's... their work speaks for itself, where, you know, they felt it as well. But, you know, feeling is one thing, being able to articulate what they think is happening is something else. And that's kind of what the whole birther tragedy thing was about for me, you know,

16:18:03 Amy Bugbee: So you were surprised that was a was an atheist?

16:18:08 Eugene Robinson: I wasn't surprised, but it took me enough out of my game, so that I didn't get to get back around to talking about what I want to talk about, which was evil. Ya, know. I mean, you know, I thought it was really, I mean, I thought it was I mean, I thought it was like, you know, if the pope stands up tomorrow, it says, you know, "C'mon... I don't really believe the shit!" Ya know. Oh, come on. It's a scam. I got your money, you know, come on. This is fantasy stuff. It was it was one of those moments where I was really delighted and amused and, and momentarily forgotten, you know, my for state admission, which is okay, you know, was it thing that Allen ginsburg used to say, Dharma gates are endless, you know, you know, I found meaning in a different place. But, you know, my initial reason for doing it, you know, was this investigation of evil and, you know, and that affected my reading as a child and my, you know, I mean, it's, it's driven my interest all the way through to the fact that oxbow's newest record is called An Evil Heat, you know, which is an extended meditation on, you know, the nature of the beast. No, that's that's what we're doing. Talking about. So...

16:19:26 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, now tell us, obviously, the birth of tragedy magazine is not in not being published anymore. What happened in I guess, where did you go from there? I know that you have a band Oxbow. So how did that come to be? And how did the birth of tragedy end up ending...

16:19:44 Eugene Robinson: Well, a birth of tragedy has not officially ended. You know, I've got the, the issue. The issue that we stopped on in the midst of was the madness issue. So we did the "love" was the last publish issue, and after that, it was "madness". But, you know, a lot of times the issues overtook us, you know, and they were all based on where we were at the time, you know, what we're living through. So fear, you know, I mean, it's these diary journal entries, you know, fear was the fear period, like Picasso's blue period, you know, power was a power period, God was a god period, ya know, love was a love...and madness, just kind of that was it put me out of the range of any kind of reasonable frame of mind able to publish a magazine. I mean, in other words, the publishing entity at that point exceeded itself and found a home in Oxbow, you know. I mean, in other words, I don't think there was any real way to say it in a magazine anymore at that point, I mean, it was sort of dawning on me that, that, you know, I was trying to, you know, I was trying to paint with a pencil, you know, I, I needed a wider palette, I needed to do something differently. And so, you know, the Oxbow had started out as audio kind of component to the birth of tragedy, you know, and the first Oxbow record was called pork fest. And it was intended as it was intended as a, you know, kind of an oral suicide note. And, you know, I didn't publicize this, like ggl. And, of course, because I didn't need the publicity. And it had nothing to do with selling records, but I had intended to, you know, put the record out off myself very simple, very simple operation. And, you know, as luck would have it, you know, what a difference a day would make, we put the record out, my, my worldview changed a bit, and the record was well received. But unfortunately, that didn't change my world as much as I thought it would. So you know, so subsequent records, subsequent releases, and, you know, all of a sudden, I found myself saying more of what I could say, with Oxbow, and it was less of a journalistic boy years before your wrist exam. But I mean, I've been a journalist, that's how I make my money. So I've, you know, gone on to interview, you know, anybody from, you know, Halle Berry to, you know, I mean, Bill Clinton ya know, which was unpublished there was an unpublished interview, because he got snagged by Esquire, and I got angry, I used to put a magazine out of Los Angeles called Code, C-O-D-E, which was like a GQ men's style fashion crap magazine. But yeah, at one point, I was standing on a golf course with Bill Clinton and Michael Brown Secretary of Commerce, his son, and Donna Shalala and Andrew Cuomo. And it was at a charity event, when the Democratic National Convention had come to Los Angeles always politicals were there and you know, they knew the magazine and, and I was there with these guys not having been searched by Secret Service or anything. And, you know, I had a suit on and, you know, my hand brushed my side, I, you know, I carry a knife, you know, and I was like, thinking, Oh, man, here I am with this knife, right next to the President.

16:23:25 Doug Misicko: You've got your chance!

16:23:26 Eugene Robinson: They didn't even search me, you know. So, you know, I had an idea that one of the more subversive things in my life certainly had happened and said, you know, pressing the flesh was you know, I mean, I really dropped out, like, out of all the places that broken into I thought this was a really major break through, that I was being taken seriously by mainstream forces, in a way that nobody ever could have expected, who know. Doug Misicko: You've got your chance!

16:23:26 Eugene Robinson: They didn't even search me, you know. So, you know, I had an idea that one of the more subversive things in my life certainly had happened and said, you know, pressing the flesh was you know, I mean, I really dropped out, like, out of all the places that broken into I thought this was a really major break through, that I was being taken seriously by mainstream forces, in a way that nobody ever could have expected, who know.

16:24:00 Doug Misicko: Some would say it's a golden opportunity, but we here do not advocate killing the president.

16:24:04 Eugene Robinson: Fuck, I love the guy. I mean, the guy the guy was a bit I can't I'm a big fan of Mussolini. But, you know, my politics tend to be all over the place, but you know, I think... I, I love him for reasons that are probably largely appropriate. And this is as a result of spending two days with him, you know, it's like he's smooth with the media. And that's where my appreciation comes from. I mean, he's... the guy is something else. I mean, I've interviewed a lot of porn stars as well. And you know, Clinton's got game. I mean, porn stars, the male porn stars that I've interviewed, are like professional athletes, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, their synapses fire a different rate, some different way that everybody else's, you know. You know, I go walking outside, and, you know, maybe I'm thinking different things. I'm thinking threat levels, because in my mind frame, I'm paranoid, I'm thinking threat level, you know, and I hung out with this guy, Mr. Marcus his closing thing was that he screwed 101 women in the, in the space of one video. And you guys still there? Doug Misicko: Some would say it's a golden opportunity, but we here do not advocate killing the president.

16:24:04 Eugene Robinson: Fuck, I love the guy. I mean, the guy the guy was a bit I can't I'm a big fan of Mussolini. But, you know, my politics tend to be all over the place, but you know, I think... I, I love him for reasons that are probably largely appropriate. And this is as a result of spending two days with him, you know, it's like he's smooth with the media. And that's where my appreciation comes from. I mean, he's... the guy is something else. I mean, I've interviewed a lot of porn stars as well. And you know, Clinton's got game. I mean, porn stars, the male porn stars that I've interviewed, are like professional athletes, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, their synapses fire a different rate, some different way that everybody else's, you know. You know, I go walking outside, and, you know, maybe I'm thinking different things. I'm thinking threat levels, because in my mind frame, I'm paranoid, I'm thinking threat level, you know, and I hung out with this guy, Mr. Marcus his closing thing was that he screwed 101 women in the, in the space of one video. And you guys still there?

16:25:23 Amy Bugbee: Oh, yeah, we're here.

16:25:25 Eugene Robinson: This visual thing where you're not talking. So he did this. I went out with him, I spent a couple of days with him, and he was noticing stuff that I wasn't even seeing, you know, I mean, his his, his sensitivity to, you know, his, his environment, you know, these are the, you know, sexual possibilities, was like, I've never been around anybody like that, before. He was seeing stuff that means, you know, see that woman. I mean, it was just different and Clintons cut from very much the same cloth. And, and these people aren't, you know, animals, you know, like, it's just great to see a natural in their environment, whether we're talking about, you know, whether we're talking about Clinton or whether we're talking about a porn star, or, you know, fighters, I spend a lot of time with fighters. And it's the same thing. It's great to see a natural, do what they do. You know.

16:26:12 Amy Bugbee: You're comparing Bill Clinton to male porn stars. Huh?

16:26:18 Eugene Robinson: You know, I'm comparing. I'm comparing Bill Clinton to somebody who makes their living appealing to people, you know, you know, whether he's a rock and roll singer, or, you know, an author on a book tour, or a movie star, or, you know, Bill Gates, you know, a business guy who crosses the divide becomes a media figure. You know, I guess we're talking about what leadership has become in the year 2003, you know, but actually, I didn't meet him in 2003. I think it was 2001 where I met him. Whenever the Democratic National Convention was, you say you fight professionally? I fight competitively. Nobody's paid me a dime yet for fighting. Yeah. So. But I'm totally obsessed with. I'm totally obsessed with fighting.

16:27:13 Doug Misicko: What kind? Is there a style just boxing? Or is it no holds barred.

16:27:17 Eugene Robinson: I took karate for you know, eight years. And I took muy Thai which is, you know, Thai boxing for a year. I used to box in the boys club back in Brooklyn, where I'm from, you know, and then in the last five years, I've been doing, you know, submission, fighting, grappling. And then last year, I've been doing Brazilian jujitsu. So and I'm editor at large for grappling magazine. So if there's a fight in Las Vegas, or Atlantic City, you're likely to find me ringside, you know, and we're doing this site now this skull game, you know, www.skullgame.com, but we're going to spin a site off of that, we have to go to skullgame to get to a book called "Skull Crusher", which is going to be like, an Amazon for fight related materials, you know, anything related to fight, you know, we'll have it you know, whether it's street fights, ring fights, women fighting, you know, whatever, whatever it is, we'll have it. Doug Misicko: What kind? Is there a style just boxing? Or is it no holds barred.

16:27:17 Eugene Robinson: I took karate for you know, eight years. And I took muy Thai which is, you know, Thai boxing for a year. I used to box in the boys club back in Brooklyn, where I'm from, you know, and then in the last five years, I've been doing, you know, submission, fighting, grappling. And then last year, I've been doing Brazilian jujitsu. So and I'm editor at large for grappling magazine. So if there's a fight in Las Vegas, or Atlantic City, you're likely to find me ringside, you know, and we're doing this site now this skull game, you know, www.skullgame.com, but we're going to spin a site off of that, we have to go to skullgame to get to a book called "Skull Crusher", which is going to be like, an Amazon for fight related materials, you know, anything related to fight, you know, we'll have it you know, whether it's street fights, ring fights, women fighting, you know, whatever, whatever it is, we'll have it.

16:27:26 Amy Bugbee: I'm gonna backtrack a little bit. I want to ask you a question via the Radio Free State and chat room. Okay. Someone's asking. Well, there's a couple questions actually, one person is asking how, if there's "birth of tragedy" back issues available? Are there? Eugene Robinson: I took karate for you know, eight years. And I took muy Thai which is, you know, Thai boxing for a year. I used to box in the boys club back in Brooklyn, where I'm from, you know, and then in the last five years, I've been doing, you know, submission, fighting, grappling. And then last year, I've been doing Brazilian jujitsu. So and I'm editor at large for grappling magazine. So if there's a fight in Las Vegas, or Atlantic City, you're likely to find me ringside, you know, and we're doing this site now this skull game, you know, www.skullgame.com, but we're going to spin a site off of that, we have to go to skullgame to get to a book called "Skull Crusher", which is going to be like, an Amazon for fight related materials, you know, anything related to fight, you know, we'll have it you know, whether it's street fights, ring fights, women fighting, you know, whatever, whatever it is, we'll have it.

16:28:24 Amy Bugbee: I'm gonna backtrack a little bit. I want to ask you a question via the Radio Free State and chat room. Okay. Someone's asking. Well, there's a couple questions actually, one person is asking how, if there's "birth of tragedy" back issues available? Are there?

16:28:46 Eugene Robinson: I'm standing in the office right now, and there are back issues but I you know, I can't I can't get them to. At this point. They're archived issues. I have been kind of wanting to do what the Church of Satan did, which is put them online and the issues as they exist, but you know, like I said, we're two people. You know, we don't have a lot of time. So that is a plan to actually get that stuff online. We do have we still sell the tapes and and the records. But those are again, we have very few of those. And, and I've been stingy with them until the CD comes out. But yeah, I mean, if somebody is interested in they should they need to go to they can actually there's a store on the Oxbow website where I think you can order right now. You know, theOxbow.com? Yeah. And you go to the store section of it, I think we're selling "Birth of Tradgety" through there. So that's the last public venue where you can probably buy that stuff until we put up the CD.

16:30:02 Shane Bugbee: When I go to O-X-B-O-W, I get a...

16:30:06 Eugene Robinson: T-H-E..

16:30:09 Amy Bugbee: theoxbow

16:30:09 Eugene Robinson: Some mining company got... Oh, i dont want to speak for them... So it's THEoxbow.com. So what was the other question from the chat room?

16:30:19 Amy Bugbee: The other question was, who else you look to interview to learn more about evil in your quest to learn about evil?

16:30:29 Eugene Robinson: Well, you know, I mean, we started out with the fear issue with you know, Manson, and, and Manson, you on a public face that okay, I'm much more interested in air trees and water, you know, that was, that was his acronym for it. That was, that was his public base privately, it seemed to me he was much more interested in money. But, you know, he will, it was a secondary consideration for him. I mean, I know he's felt it. But, you know, he was in a position where he's is concerned and controlled about his public image as, as, as anybody else's a public figure, you know. So it served his purposes less to talk about that, given where he is... prison; then to talk about air trees and water, which might actually help him with the parole board, you know. So, you know, I mean, I started out with him, and, you know, and the artists, you know, I mean, the artists that we've interviewed are edge artists, I mean, I never really expected them to, or, you know, the guys from survival research labs, and never really expected them to offer any, you know, tremendous insight to me, for me, they were doing interesting work that I was interested in. So that was interviewing them. But you know, you can you can track it clearly through the birth of tragedy, the people who, you know, who, who LARP were participating in the meditation on a one. So, we did a piece with Rene Girard, French philosopher at that time for the sake of violence in the sacred, in, in his take on it. Yeah, it was very academic is a great book, you know, many explain the kind of psychological underpinnings in academics. And the proprietor problem is the people who have really felt it, and using that people can articulate it. And the people who can articulate it are usually not the people who felt it, you know, so it's a it's a really weird, I mean, I've had that experience. And, you know, I, you know, I used to, I mean, I've had weird jobs in the past and, and I discovered that it was really hard to find a combination of, say, smart, and physically dangerous, you know, like, I used to, I used to be a bouncer and, and the guys who were balances were physically dangerous. I mean, they would, you know, borderline psychopath, some of these guys I used to work with and, and so they understood what it was that I was talking about, but no way could they articulate it. So it was really hard to find that kind of combination of, you know, smart. And, I guess, crazies when I'm saying I guess, you know, but, you know, crazy along the lines of the Salvador Dali, quote, you know, the only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad, you know. I'm in... My last night as a bouncer, I think, before I was forcibly removed from the profession, I was had some guys... you know the games, those kids have a paddle, ball, and the ball and elastic and hit it back and forth. And add some guy by the hair. And I was dragging his face at the edge of a marble bar. And it was extended how we got to that moment, you know, many guys deserved it. And you know, not like, causality to justify it. But even before I'd been struck in the face and asked the owner or the establishment that we get x-rays and to go get peace in the bar. that was the solution.

16:33:56 Amy Bugbee: Well, I can appreciate you playing ball with someone's head.

16:34:00 Eugene Robinson: Yeah. So next time, next night, I figured I had to police things for myself and gun wasn't really a solution to a bro game.

16:34:06 Doug Misicko: You don't need to justify that here. We understand.

16:34:09 Eugene Robinson: Exactly, what might is right. I thought I was heading into the edge of the marble bar, but it was you know, it was it was a it was a variety of religious experience, you know, because it was transcendent. You know, I mean, obviously I was moved... Not only did I feel this blood connection, but I had risen outside of my body and was watching this passionately, you know, the different changes that was coming over space, the swelling over the eye, the bleeding, you know, psychologically what was happening to him... I, the release, you know, the surrender and you stood up and walked away and...um...

16:34:50 Doug Misicko: I know what you're talking about I study combat too.

16:34:53 Eugene Robinson: What kind do you study?

16:34:56 Doug Misicko: I study Aikido jujitsu and Brazilian jujitsu. Sometimes some karate...

16:35:00 Eugene Robinson: Who you trainging with, man? You got the world, you're in the Midwest. Right? Doug Misicko: I study Aikido jujitsu and Brazilian jujitsu. Sometimes some karate...

16:35:00 Eugene Robinson: Who you trainging with, man? You got the world, you're in the Midwest. Right?

16:35:03 Doug Misicko: Yeah, I Well, I'm in Detroit.

16:35:06 Eugene Robinson: Okay.

16:35:06 Shane Bugbee: That's the Midwest.

16:35:07 Doug Misicko: Yeah. Well, I know...

16:35:11 Eugene Robinson: Whether we're dealing with Detroit to the Midwest, you know, we're going to be out there October 10th & 11th.

16:35:17 Amy Bugbee: Where at?

16:35:18 Eugene Robinson: I spoke in Chicago at the Bottom Lounge. And then we're playing in Ohio, the next night at this utility festival. I know Detroit's a bit away from Chicago...

16:35:29 Shane Bugbee: The Oxbow is his band.

16:35:31 Amy Bugbee: Now I want to ask you about the oxbow...

16:35:33 Shane Bugbee: what kind of music is the Oxbow?

16:35:37 Eugene Robinson: It's a simple answer that is rock and roll, bass, drums, guitar and vocals. But think about Oxbow in terms of musical sales category action. I mean, it's in terms of what we think about action. And I'm talking about action in the political sense. Like when they would talk about pogroms those kind of actions, the CFO spent, you might spend some time read reading through the tour diaries. There's a film that this maker made about Oxbow called music for adults. And it's not worth it just has a couple of the only documentary pieces I know of being in this kind of fugue state, you know, choke you guys out. Teach you that choke... I taught LaVey, you know, rear-naked choke. Because I never seen him...

16:36:48 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Eugenee, you're breaking up, man. Are you underwater? Help Eugene, help him. Help him.

16:36:56 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, right. How is that?

16:36:59 Shane Bugbee: Better.

16:37:00 Eugene Robinson: Okay. I got the guy with a mateo lao, you know, which is a rear naked choke. And the great part about the film is, of course, I never see that joke from the front, you know. So it was interesting to see one, me in the fugue state and two, what happened to the guy's face is being choked. It was it was kind of great. So. So yeah, if you want, if you're interested in seeing Oxbow play October 10, in Chicago, I think. I can't promise you any any strangulation action, but at least it'll be. You know, the best way to understand is in a musical equivalent rock musical equivalent of the birth of tragedy magazine. I mean, it's consistently kept, it's, you know, it's consistently managed to be what it set out to be so...

16:37:42 Shane Bugbee: So Eugene, are you on a tour?

16:37:45 Eugene Robinson: What's that?

16:37:45 Shane Bugbee: Is that a worldwide tour? United States tour, where are you touring? Where are you going to be?

16:37:50 Eugene Robinson: We just, we just finished. We got back. We were in Europe for about four weeks.

16:37:54 Shane Bugbee: So is Chicago a one-off show?

16:37:57 Eugene Robinson: Europe. This was in July, it was very cool. You know, we played a couple of big festivals and lots of people turned out and, and I got into two fights again, which just you know, I got to... You know, I'm a smart guy, but I, you know, I have to be honest with you, it just it thrills me to no end. I mean, there's certain pleasures that, you know, that. That eluded most people, but, you know, the pleasure of that kind of engagement, you know, the transformative powers of violence. I really enjoy. So. And, strangely enough, once again, in England, the only other country where, you know, we've had somebody who went to participate in our Oxbow show in that way. It was probably Japan. And we played in Japan in the south of Japan, you know, not a foreign country. There's some fun, and it was worthwhile.

16:38:55 Shane Bugbee: Eugene, is this a tour? Are you just playing Chicago, one show?

16:38:59 Eugene Robinson: in Chicago and Ohio, that's it. Shane Bugbee: Eugene, is this a tour? Are you just playing Chicago, one show?

16:38:59 Eugene Robinson: in Chicago and Ohio, that's it.

16:39:01 Shane Bugbee: Oh, cool. Why cool. Wow.

16:39:05 Eugene Robinson: You know, score game takes up a lot of time, you know, reviewing porn. Takes a lot of time.

16:39:15 Shane Bugbee: So what's your background? Eugene, what's your education?

16:39:19 Starting from when?

16:39:20 Well, what's your final educate... I mean, I guess. Did you graduate from college? Are you a legitimate journalist?

16:39:24 Eugene Robinson: Ya. Yeah, I think 1984. Well, what's your final educate... I mean, I guess. Did you graduate from college? Are you a legitimate journalist?

16:39:27 Eugene Robinson: Ya. Yeah, I think 1984.

16:39:29 Shane Bugbee: Oh, cool, man. Yeah. And how old are you? Eugene Robinson: Ya. Yeah, I think 1984.

16:39:29 Shane Bugbee: Oh, cool, man. Yeah. And how old are you?

16:39:32 Eugene Robinson: I just turned 41.

16:39:36 Shane Bugbee: Cool. Just curious...

16:39:39 Eugene Robinson: You know? You live long enough it happens. I used to be bothered by it. But you know, there's no choice. So.

16:39:50 Amy Bugbee: So now how did you wind up with a skullgame.com? How do you? How did all of this parlay into porn? Is that an extension of your quest for evil?

16:40:05 Eugene Robinson: No, no, no, no, no. No.

16:40:07 Shane Bugbee: It's the quest for good pussy, right?

16:40:13 Eugene Robinson: Yeah. I, like I said, I've interviewed like lots of people that man to quote when I was at code magazine. I mean, I interviewed Laurence Fishburne and Evander Holyfield got challenged to a fight and he ducked it. And the guy that I interviewed was Mr. Marcus, the guy who's with 100 other women in the video. And I guess it took him three days to do. And, and so I, you know, he invited me to a few parties, made a few friends and when I come back from tour. I come back from one tour, I've done a show, a solo show at this festival in Zurich called talk mos. And with this composer Michael Wertmüller. And the documentary film guy came along with us and filmed the entire tour, came back to LA to edit the movie. And he was, he's also a web designer, he was doing some a, he got hired as a director of web design for this company, so you should check it out. And he, you know, the name of the company was like, "game...something" it's not like a gaming site, I wasn't interested. And one day, I was bored and checked it out. It was all porn, man. You know, I'm not a big fan of porn. I mean, you know, I don't spend a lot of time watching it as a habit, you know, but, you know, I've always done in fact, the last unrestricted, last unrestricted publishing ventures in America, you know, where you can be frank, at least, about certain issues, you know. I laid out this uber-theory of publishing that I have, that I've made to the, you know, I've made it to everybody, I made it to Andy Grove at Intel, because I used to work at Intel, you know, I mean, I've made this pitch many a time and, and the guys had me and I made the pitch and the guy signed on to it, let's go ahead and do it, you know, call it whatever you want, do whatever you want, you know, in six months, if you sold enough, then we'll think about keeping it. You know, so he backed it, this shadowy, Israeli multimillionaire. With this kind of part Consumer Reports, you know, there's a review, review function.

16:42:32 Shane Bugbee: Let's face it, porn drives technology.

16:42:35 Eugene Robinson: Right. And that's why the company, they really have the technology thing down pat, which is addresses all your immediacy needs, you know, so, so far, it's it keeps me up late, you know, but, and I've actually managed to get a lot of people to do the reviewing. And so I don't have to watch all the porn, myself. But it's a fun site. And like I said, spin off the site, the skull, the skullcrusher. For the fight side. You know, at the very least it amuses me. But, you know, to to ask your question about is this part of the continuing tracking of evil. Now, that's occurred that's occurred through the Oxbow music, you know, and, with this record, An Evil Heat it kind of, sort of perfectly aligned to where, where, where they ended up in that interview where we kind of got this, you know, Tiffany with us, now, come on, man. I'm just looking around. I mean, this is not and I'm, I'm not at that point, I mean, I still have, you know, a measured set of beliefs and theories about you know, about non temporal reality, but you have sudden, I decided that what most people think is evil is I come to the conclusion, and this is only in the last few years. There is very little evil, in actual fact, you know, you know, despite all the chest beating today, about, you know, evil and buildings collapsing and, you know, that whole that all that, you know, I think that I'm safely said, I think Politics, you know, is very, you know, there's a lot of bad stuff, there's very little true evil, you know, so as a field of investigation, I kind of have stumbled into the realization that it's like, it's like, specializing in second century Greek pottery, you know, it's, you know, it's a very specific discipline. And, and, of course, I wasn't studying it for any other reason, except to gain insight into how it is that I function. But, you know, as a result of the evil heat era of Oxbow, and, you know, personal realities for me, kind of, you know, embraced it as, you know, as a, as useful attributes. You know, that's part of who it is that I am, but, you know, my, my investigation of it ended formally August 1 of this year, strangely enough, after reading Allen Bullock's new 1200 page book, "Hitler and Stalin". And, and, you know, I have now, like I said, come to the conclusion that it is something else. You know, call it a clarion cry for a certain type of freedom. But I've moved on.You know. I mean, there's a moment you know, I guess, everybody has a road to Damascus moment, you know, there's a moment where you just, you know, you it's a quiet embrace of self. And, and I've noticed it when this happened, historical figures that, while quite useful, and good for the individual is frequently very bad for society at large. And this is no different. I mean, I feel much more, you know, of a piece of a man now at this point in my life than I ever have, any other time of my life. But I am resultantly, I think, probably a lot more. And I don't want this word to be understood in a typical with a different connotations, but a lot more dangerous, and then say, I probably ever have been before, you know, and I mean, that from a not physical, you know, street fighting level I'm talking about philosophically, you know, and I feel I feel okay about that. I feel quite good about it, natural fact. But it just, I, and I'm doing I'm doing the right thing, you know, people who don't know me who come in contact with me, I'm trying to as clearly as possible, as closely as possible to find what it is that I mean, before these guys interact with me. And for example, a record label contacted me yesterday about putting out a new Oxbow record. And I kind of just I tried to potentially dissuade them. So you don't want to do that. All you guys are great, right? Yeah. Yeah, I know. But you don't want to do that, you know? Why subject yourself to the abuse? And this guy, you know, he's thinking I'm joking, and so odd, but, you know, would you give me the keys to your house? Okay, well, no, you probably wouldn't give me the keys to your house. You know, putting out an Oxbow record is very much akin to give me the keys to your house, you're granting me access. And, you know, we're demanding taskmasters. And, you know, in terms of, you know, society at large, you know, we definitely have an unsound program, you know, if there's something that you care about, or you know, that you love, or you value, you know, that you think is yours. You know, do not expose us to it. You know, if we can we will take it. No, and this is not, this is not this horrible nefarious thing. You know, I'm not I'm not talking about TVs. I'm not talking about personal appliances, you know. I'm just the, you know, I'm just talking about even though you might care about, you know,

16:48:27 Amy Bugbee: So now I hear that you have also written a book? Did I read that?

16:48:31 Eugene Robinson: A long slow screw? Yeah. It was my second one...

16:48:34 Shane Bugbee: Watch how you, talk to my wife. What was that? What I miss?

16:48:39 Eugene Robinson: Huh?!

16:48:39 Shane Bugbee: I'm just teasing Eugene, you said "a long slow screw", and I said, "Watch how you're talking to my wife."

16:48:46 Eugene Robinson: See you guys a marriage. Yeah, there you go. That's nice. Marriage is good.

16:48:52 Amy Bugbee: Are you being sarcastic?

16:48:54 Eugene Robinson: Not a lot, not not at all, you know, not at all. I mean, marriage is like a grocery store. You know, it's a thing. It's a thing that exists. It's useful for a great many people. You know.

16:49:05 Eugene Robinson: No, no, that's that's that's pretty cool. Eugene Robinson: Not a lot, not not at all, you know, not at all. I mean, marriage is like a grocery store. You know, it's a thing. It's a thing that exists. It's useful for a great many people. You know.

16:49:05 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Eugene. My wife goes by the handle Whore of Horror. So I have a fun, great marriage. I'm very happy, man. Eugene Robinson: No, no, that's that's that's pretty cool. Eugene Robinson: Not a lot, not not at all, you know, not at all. I mean, marriage is like a grocery store. You know, it's a thing. It's a thing that exists. It's useful for a great many people. You know.

16:49:05 Eugene Robinson: No, no, that's that's that's pretty cool. Shane Bugbee: Hey, Eugene. My wife goes by the handle Whore of Horror. So I have a fun, great marriage. I'm very happy, man.

16:49:12 Eugene Robinson: No, no, that's that's that's pretty cool.

16:49:16 Shane Bugbee: He's a porn aficionado. He knows what I'm talking about. I don't need to say anymore.

16:49:20 Eugene Robinson: No, no. I mean, you know? I've not I've not met either one of you guys in person, so so but I you know, love Love is a wonderful thing.

16:49:34 Shane Bugbee: A marriage is a love and hate thing, though...

16:49:36 Eugene Robinson: But at the same time, you know, don't leave us alone with your woman. But in regards to matters of sexual comportment, you can't stress this further, you can throw it. We will, we will fuck what you love. But that's the Oxbow way.

16:50:08 Amy Bugbee: You were describing your book?

16:50:11 Eugene Robinson: No, I was I was about to start hitting on you. In a roundabout way where I was going. A Long Slow Screw, I got reamed with a book deal and reamed in the way that large corporations can you can only begin reading you know, it started out at Random House. And the editor at Random House, got me an agent. And the agent was the hot guy on the block because he had signed he had he signed a book called The God is a Bullet by this guy, writer Boston Saran. Which she got half a million dollars for, So suddenly, I'm being rep'd by this guy, you know, I'm dealing with this woman at this big agency in LA, who's working on the film rights to trying to get Steven Soderbergh to direct it, to get George Clooney to star in it, you know, and this is before Soderbergh had done, you know, what was a movie that brought him back, though, a "Traffic". So it was before he had really done "Traffic". And, you know, I was, you know, Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing, you know? So I'm dealing with these Hollywood times. And they're saying, "well, we kind of see George Clooney..." I was like, "What?!" I was shooting down their choices, and they wanted like, they wanted George Clooney. And for my female lead, I think there was talk about Julia Roberts in my book is like, you know, I used to be, you know, a professional. I used to be a collections guy. I've done that for a while to make money. And I'm not talking about the people who call you at dinnertime, I'm talking about the guys who show up at five in the morning at your house. And so I decided that I wanted to write these stories in a kind of a way that would not get me arrested, but that I thought the world should know. So essentially, I created a fictional framework to sit around them and, and wrote this book called "a long, slow screw", a title I stole from Michael Hira, from the swans. And that's called giving credit where credit is due. And so we've always stories into a book. And you know, they let these guys get at Random House, like I'm sitting sitting in meetings with these people you know about the book. And then the guy at Random House calls me and says, "I got some good news and some bad news." And I go whats the good news" He says, "I'm moving to Putnam". And I go, well, that sucks, you know, because, you know, the Hollywood the business, the way it works is if somebody leaves in the middle of your project, your fucked. Because the guys who are left won't want to work on your project. Because if it succeeds, they don't get the credit. If it fails, they get the blame. So you said you can stay here at Random House? Or you can come with me to Penguin, you know, so I go cool. I'll go with, use penguin. You know, because you're my guy, you know, and so I you know, I invalidate the contract and Random House. Screw it, I'm leaving. And I go with him to Penguin and I go, let's get the contract going. Two things happen simultaneously, he gets into a huge court actually ended up in a courtroom fight with with my agent. And and so now I have no agent, he refuses to work with my agent, he says "you got to get a new agent". So for all intents and purposes, of course, I haven't contracted with my agent, I have no agent. So I've written the book myself. And then I go to a meeting at the penguin and I meet with his boss. And the first words out of our mouth is...

16:53:37 Shane Bugbee: "I can't get a word in edgewise?"

16:53:39 Eugene Robinson: What's that?

16:53:40 Shane Bugbee: You said the first words out of her mouth, I said, and she said, "I can't get a word in edgewise."

16:53:45 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, exactly. She She said that, amongst other things, though. She said, she said that pop culture's so mean, these days. And you know, in a book where a guy gets a screwed and torn open with a pair of needlenose pliers. How the fuck, am I supposed to understand that? You know, I mean, the writing on the wall at that point was very clear to me. And so I, I remain, I remain unpublished. You know, Heartly approached me about doing this non-fiction book, which but we'll see what happens with that. You had a pause?

16:54:21 Shane Bugbee: Oh, no, I just said "you got to watch them Jews". Eugene, guess what?

16:54:29 Eugene Robinson: Yes.

16:54:30 Shane Bugbee: We gotta go.

16:54:32 Eugene Robinson: Okay. All right.

16:54:32 Shane Bugbee: Well, I don't mean to cut you off, but we have someone on the phone the other line. We're supposed to do an interview with.

16:54:39 Eugene Robinson: Who is it?

16:54:41 Shane Bugbee: Tom Metzger.

16:54:45 Eugene Robinson: Tell him I said, Hello.

16:54:46 Amy Bugbee: It's a nice combination, huh?

16:54:47 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

16:54:48 Eugene Robinson: I don't know. I've been I've been in touch with those guys a long time ago back when I was gonna do the race war issue. Of course, he had no idea at the time that I was black.

16:54:57 Shane Bugbee: He does, now.

16:54:58 Eugene Robinson: We were about to do an interview with him a long time ago. So. But anyway, all right.

16:55:03 Amy Bugbee: Well, it's been fascinating talking to you.

16:55:06 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Eugene. How do people get ahold of you ox? The Oxbow?

16:55:10 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, www.theOxbow,com. or www.skullgames.com. And I'm Vinny Vose. That's the name I wrightunder at score game. So you can send me an email through Vinnie Rose at scoregame.com as well. So...

16:55:29 Amy Bugbee: Oh, wow. His characterture didn't look a thing like you. Eugene Robinson: Yeah, www.theOxbow,com. or www.skullgames.com. And I'm Vinny Vose. That's the name I wrightunder at score game. So you can send me an email through Vinnie Rose at scoregame.com as well. So...

16:55:29 Amy Bugbee: Oh, wow. His characterture didn't look a thing like you.

16:55:34 Eugene Robinson: Yeah, well, what do you know? It's the progressive program of disinformation, you know, you guys got to send me a book... Read this or...

16:55:42 Shane Bugbee: We'll drop it off at your show when you come to Chicago.

16:55:45 Eugene Robinson: All right. Very cool, man. All right.

16:55:47 Amy Bugbee: We'll be excited to meet you then.

16:55:49 Eugene Robinson: That'd be cool. I'll put you guys on the list.

16:55:52 Amy Bugbee: Excellent. Well, thanks so much for talking with us.

16:55:55 Eugene Robinson: And let's stay in touch on email.

16:55:56 Amy Bugbee: All right, great.

16:55:57 Eugene Robinson: Okay. All right.

16:55:59 Shane Bugbee: Talk to you later brother.

16:56:00 Eugene Robinson: Bye, bye.

Eugene Robinson Interview (postscript)

16:56:03 Shane Bugbee: Eugene if your listening, Brother. You know, my friend is calling in about an hour. We couldn't get a word in edgewise with you and I'm telling you I know you must be you must be on the crystal meth... you're doing something good and you should be here helping us out with that shit. You know, cuz you know we're tired man. Just give us some of the shit... man too many words in that guy's head. He wouldn't shut the fuck up.

16:56:29 Amy Bugbee: What's really funny is the thing on his website, the first thing it says is...

16:56:37 Shane Bugbee: First thing it says is what? Now you have nothing to say get Eugene back on. He'll tell you a fucking million things. What the fuck?

16:56:46 Amy Bugbee: It says on his website, the Oxbow. They do represent the sad ramblings of vainglorious men at war with conflicting urges and beliefs.

16:56:58 Shane Bugbee: That motherfucker...

16:57:00 Amy Bugbee: "Rambling" being the operative word.

16:57:02 Shane Bugbee: Eugene was a real interesting guy. That's real cool all the LaVey insight he had and stuff but man that guy was going on about meeting that a publisher agent. I say you got an agent. What the fuck are you doing calling here?

16:57:14 Doug Misicko: Fucking Random House and Penguin!

16:57:16 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Eugene. I'm bringing Tom Metzger to Chicago show. Okay, I'm bringing the boys. No, I'm joking.

16:57:22 Amy Bugbee: Well, he really did bring Anton Levey out of you know, nowhere. Yeah, he was. He was not doing anything. So we really have Eugene to thank for a lot.

16:57:34 Shane Bugbee: I hear there's some conversation going on personal Satan... letters to the devil. There. The Satanists are getting restless. They're offended by I think was your comment about ass raping a 13 year old girl, who's who said that?

16:57:49 Doug Misicko: It wasn't me.

16:57:51 Shane Bugbee: Was it you, Amy?

16:57:51 Doug Misicko: It was not me.

16:57:52 Amy Bugbee: You know, I love a 13 year old girl would read the email.

16:57:56 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, I don't have it yet. But anyway, dark candles.com is a website my good buddy, Lee Stat does. Okay. It's darkcandles.com. And you should check that out. And I'd like to know if anyone has the balls to call up or email us direct. They should. If they have a problem with something we're saying. They should probably just deal direct with us.

16:58:23 Doug Misicko: No balls at all.

16:58:25 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, so we're gonna play something from Eugene's CD. One of these tracks. I think it's really good. Joan Biafra rant, enjoy and we'll be back.

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Hour 18

17:01:30 Canned Audio: Why I'm glad the space shuttle blew up. It wasn't the classroom full of school kids on TV. So our first reaction in my house was each of us sitting around staring each other to call up the San Francisco Examiner and say we were that legendary Libya to fly you heard so much about and we blew up the space shuttle. late that night we gave up the idea. The same old excuse. Why don't we get off? Sometimes though, it really does make them pick it out. But now I find out we were pretty damn lucky. If that shuttle had made it home things might now be a hell of a lot worse. Because that's I have this little plan for the following space shuttles I somehow forgot to tell us about. They had this plan to send the next shuttle into orbit carry 46 pounds of plutonium. If that one had flown up there see enough radiation scattered in our atmosphere to cause cancer but as many as 5 billion people reckless how reckless can you get away lunch Star Wars The easy way to fire it up into the graveyard at don't tell anybody about it? After all, when people don't know what hurts them they don't care. just blame the fallout cancer epidemic on Khadafi Think of all the money people we know with love with fake selling How would you cope with cancer tip BAM readers and yuppie that's why I'm glad that they shuttle blew up because the next one would have cooked all of us too.

17:03:55 1286 was a port song all over Europe. People are saying who knows. All over Europe, people. Ellen Ginsburg and Stephen... is your very love one another. It has been said is the supreme law tolerated so? upon what rational authority does the gospel of love rest? Why should I not hate my enemies and hunt them down like the most vicious of all beasts that they are? If I love them, does that not replace me with their mercy? Is it natural for enemies to do good unto each other? And what is it good? cameras on and the bloody victim love the blood splash jaws that ran him limb from limb. Are we not all predatory animals by instinct? If humans disease totally preying upon each other, could they continue to exist? If not lust and carnal desire a more truthful term to describe love when applied to the continuance of the race. is not the love of the Corning scriptures simply a euphemism for sexual activity? Or was the great teacher and emasculated milk software glorified Unix. Love your enemies and do good to them that hate you and despitefully use us in a cyclical philosophy of the sandal it rolls upon its back when kids hate your enemies with a whole heart. And if a man might do on one cheek, smash him on the other. smite him give me time for self preservation is the highest law. He who turns the other cheek is a cowardly dog gets a blow for blow scoring for scoring. Doom for doom. With compound interest liberally added on to eye for eye, tooth for tooth. Yay for phone 100 phones. Make yourself a terror to your adversary. And when he goes this way, he will pose so much additional wisdom to ruminate over. Bus showers you make yourself respected in all walks of life as your spirits your immortal spirit shall live not in an intangible paradise, but in the brains and sinners of those whose respect you have gained.

17:07:09 One train you want to break on? Pain taneous Lee Do not waste time blocking your waste time seeking a soundproof shelter. Try to get as far away from the product source as possible. There we go We'll lay our pa small baby may be placed inside the Special Olympics possible in children do not attempt to deal with if you know wealways are available, metal, not organic, to be employed whenever possible. Remember, you aren't making enough it is imperative to break all that down 17 years do not waste time blocking your ears. Do not waste time seeking a sound shelter. Try to get as far away from the sonic source as possible. It is one layout. Babies may be placed in Cyprus special adventure be left as possible in children do not attempt to use your wheels are available. Metal non organic should be employed whenever possible. Remember, Sonic attack for bifolding every man for himself. people survive and prevent over your loved ones you have only a few seconds to escape use those seconds to fail you will inevitably die Think of yourself of yourself these are the first signs of Sonic attract. You will notice small objects such as you will hear you will feel dizzy you will feel the need to vomit that will be bleeding from our offices. There will be an ache in the pelvic region. You may be subject to pick this up hysterical shouting laughter these are all signs of imminent destruction of flight if you are less than 10 years old remain in the shelter you can help no one else can help nodos puffy Shane saying your fucker Where are you calling you back about doing this radio thing you know you're called like bacon like Good morning Are you guys that woke me up and now we got this Hey, I've been listening since about three I bet that this is a live call in number I guess not. Anyways, your show kicks. Major acts I really enjoyed it so far. who's having an orgasm on the air that part was pretty great. Keep up the good work. So far, I think that this show kicks ass. I've been logged in since about three o'clock central time. You all are doing a wonderful job. One question though. Who is the chick having an orgasm? Son to kind of keep up the good work helping. Married is hard Fisher con Shane back about the radio show. Shane, give me a buzz. I am waiting your call bye. talking about revenue. But how far should we go? The limits the limits to the freedom to decide and assess Me Me, me, me, me. Me. mee. mee. mee. mee. mee. mee. mee,mee lunch, I had organized soup for dinner, but you'd never know because I stay hissing sweet when you not like most way, experience the difference for yourself. Most magazines leave you feeling uninspired, unimpressed and unloved? Why not like most of these interesting and stimulating articles motivates exciting leaser self respecting afresh then once you try not like news magazine today, visit http www dot purging talent.com slash NLM that's HTTP www.petland.com slash NLM. pick up a copy. Now like most like revocation of Satanism in action damn fine music for a lawyer. That would be me. My name is David Harrison. This is Professor sinister and right now I'm thinking about winners. You're listening to Radio Free save. Clearly someone of discerning tastes in a video could be doing something really freaky with oil and some kind of helmet. just wrong. Cut it out. Creepy. This is Professor sinister and you are listening to Radio Free Satan. And remember don't eat the yellow snow

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17:25:59 Shane Bugbee: Evil now calm your home for hate. Evil now calm your home for Satan. Evil now that we love to hate you.

17:26:22 Honey Hellfire: That's exactly what was up. I got my wine. And I'm ready to go. The Honey Hellfire show playing under the best danceable. thermistors technical and industrial music. Let's go have fun and dance with the devil. So I'm struggling with a smoke machine. The honey half hour show on radio present not the devil. That's kind of the point of being a Satanist. Right.

17:26:58 Canned Audio: I am calling just to say hi, whatever. I don't know. I've been listening to the show. I'm kind of tucked out right now. I'll go whatever is right. And you know my girlfriend has called her mom blah blah blah nanosensor doesn't call year after year every year but she still loves her boss. She wasn't sure third and stop pensioner and and my kids are doing great and when number one awards and retina tries to go up a hill or whatever. I don't know. Some kind of bike both you and I give a flying fuck about no vices are better or not are both the bottom line? I don't care though. Thank you Jean grew up to hate her knee. And every one of us. And I don't think anyone play it. Eric coming back. Whatever you want to do. Erica 415931835. Thanks. Honey Hellfire: That's exactly what was up. I got my wine. And I'm ready to go. The Honey Hellfire show playing under the best danceable. thermistors technical and industrial music. Let's go have fun and dance with the devil. So I'm struggling with a smoke machine. The honey half hour show on radio present not the devil. That's kind of the point of being a Satanist. Right.

17:26:58 Canned Audio: I am calling just to say hi, whatever. I don't know. I've been listening to the show. I'm kind of tucked out right now. I'll go whatever is right. And you know my girlfriend has called her mom blah blah blah nanosensor doesn't call year after year every year but she still loves her boss. She wasn't sure third and stop pensioner and and my kids are doing great and when number one awards and retina tries to go up a hill or whatever. I don't know. Some kind of bike both you and I give a flying fuck about no vices are better or not are both the bottom line? I don't care though. Thank you Jean grew up to hate her knee. And every one of us. And I don't think anyone play it. Eric call me back. Whatever you want to do. Eric 415931835. Thanks.

17:28:11 Shane Bugbee: Wow, that was crazy. We didn't mean to give out that guy's phone number. I just got that mp3 and that's someone who called and left us a message.

17:28:23 Amy Bugbee: That's so nice.

17:28:24 Shane Bugbee: He's so fucking drunk.

17:28:26 Wicked.

17:28:28 Shane Bugbee: We don't like drunk people that aren't sharing the booze. Okay. And Doug is going to destroy the computer right now. You know what we're gonna do at 9:11 don't you?

17:28:38 Doug Misicko: No? I don't.

17:28:39 Shane Bugbee: You know, Doug, you've been talking about it all night.

17:28:41 Doug Misicko: I don't even know what Eugene was talking about. So...

17:28:44 Shane Bugbee: Who's Eugene? Eugene? Oh, that guy. I've been up so long now. It's almost 48 I don't know 64 hours I forget. This is the worst because we have the best interviews coming up.

17:28:55 Lance Bugbee: 64 hours 10 hours it's all the same.

17:28:57 Shane Bugbee: Oh, this is my brother Lance by the way.

17:28:59 Lance Bugbee: Hey.

17:29:00 Shane Bugbee: Lance fixes cars. And he's a mighty good mechanic so fits right in for mine is right

17:29:05 Amy Bugbee: well fast ones. And he does Lance radio.

17:29:08 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, he does the lance radio on 365 live 365 .com he's got about three hours going to be uploaded this weekend. Amy Bugbee: well fast ones. And he does Lance radio.

17:29:08 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, he does the lance radio on 365 live 365 .com he's got about three hours going to be uploaded this weekend.

17:29:16 Lance Bugbee: Come and check it out. Some obviously some amateur shit. I like it.

17:29:24 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, you know We got some interesting guests coming up. My brother's not too interesting. No, I'm kidding. He's my brother. You know, I used to scrape the shit out of the crack of his ass when he was a young boy. Interesting. Yeah, I used to take tape. I used to change his diaper. And you know, when you do that, you just, you pull their legs up almost like, you know, a porn star position. And you just grab that diaper and you just scraped the shit out of the crack of their ass, you know, because you don't want to have to wipe it with a rag. You throw that diaper away. That's...

17:29:53 Lance Bugbee: ...and you still eat with your hands.

17:29:54 Shane Bugbee: Every time I look at you, I think of changing your diaper, even though you're bigger than me now. So, but we have Tom Metzger coming up. George Eric Hawthorne was his old name. His new name is George birdie. I think his real name is George Bertie used to go by Georgia Eric Hawthorne. He used to be in the band. RAHOWA stands for racial holy war. Now he's in a band called Novachasm. And he's no longer a white supremists. He's in a band with a black man and a Jewish person.

17:30:30 Amy Bugbee: And, and he's married to a Pakistani girl. Didn't he tell you that?

17:30:33 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, no, I didn't tell me that. I read it. We're going to talk to we're going to ask him that. I don't know what his deal is. But I think my personal theory is and the first thing I'm going to ask him is I think he's really still a Nazi. But he knows he the only way you win is from the inside. He's infiltrated. You know, he's infiltrated the troops.

17:30:52 Doug Misicko: Well, Tom Metzger is still a white supremacist.

17:30:55 Shane Bugbee: Well, we don't know have you asked him that? You know... Are you a white supremisist, doug?

17:31:00 Doug Misicko: There's a book out about Tom Metzger now called 100 Little Hitler's. We'll have to ask him about it.

17:31:06 Shane Bugbee: Exactly. Mr. Know-it-all bookstore guy. You know what you Jean said about bookstore motherfuckers and everyone has been ragging on bookstore motherfuckers. But let me tell you, Doug works in a bookstore. And everyone we've been interviewing goes yeah, you know, those fucking guys with the weird glasses working in bookstores? I don't know nothing. Doug works at a bookstore. The only thing that stopped him is he only has you know, no horn rimmed glasses or whatever.

17:31:29 Amy Bugbee: Just the one eye.

17:31:31 Doug Misicko: One eye, angry. Working in a bookstore isn't what it used to be.

17:31:36 Shane Bugbee: I wonder though, a skinny guy like yourself you've study all these martial arts... I wonder what you could do to me. I'm almost want to take you up on a challenge.

17:31:44 Doug Misicko: Put on your diaper and let's go.

17:31:46 Shane Bugbee: I'm telling you Sumo. Right I'm ready. I think I want to see because you know I'm telling you I would love to test the martial arts the skinny guy like yourself I don't think he could do any damage.

17:31:56 Doug Misicko: You want to see it but probably see it at the SexPo or at Nior Leather... Shane Bugbee: I'm telling you Sumo. Right I'm ready. I think I want to see because you know I'm telling you I would love to test the martial arts the skinny guy like yourself I don't think he could do any damage.

17:31:56 Doug Misicko: You want to see it but probably see it at the SexPo or at Nior Leather...

17:32:01 Shane Bugbee: All I'm saying is you can hit the face. You're missing an eye so it's no damage. I could damage your face but me. All I got is my face. This is it.

17:32:10 Amy Bugbee: That beautiful face.

17:32:11 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. Okay, so no hitting the face that beautiful face. What do you think? And we're going to hold a Might is Right sermon in Detroit this weekend. So we went all the racialist to show up. We want all the Satanists to show up. We want all the hookers and whores to show up. Yes, we want them all. And we're going to be at noir leather September 14. We're also going to be at the SexPo at the Ramada Inn on September 12. And 13th this is like a porno convention bondage. Bunch of star last dancers Yeah, burlesque dancers and they invited me up there. Only. My name is featured artist, Shane Bugbee and Amy's drinking beers. You hear that? She's been cracking the Schlitz all morning. That's nothing new thoughm Amy has a bottle of wine hidden in the water cooler of the toilet. Where the water is, always finding wine back there.

17:33:05 Lance Bugbee: Liquid nutrition...

17:33:06 Shane Bugbee: But go check out dirty detroit.com Radio Free satan.com of course a great wonderful people that let something cool like this go on. No bullshit, like you know they didn't give us any grief. Well you know they do but they make us not tell you that they don't you know they censor us half the show was cut out believe me? We've been on the air for over 24 hours rich keep censoring us.

17:33:30 Doug Misicko: The fact that we haven't heard from the feds yet, is testimony to that.

17:33:33 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Rich your sense. I don't even know if his name's Rich. I forget who was running the place but that's the deal. Dark candles .com Lee Stat runs that. My good buddy Lee down at the personal Satan .com. Church of Satan .com, of course you should go check that out. TV is God calm is Amy's website. This fuckhead.com is Doug's oh, no... dysgenics.com. I was trying to poke a stick and Doug's other eye.

17:34:06 Amy Bugbee: Doug and I both have the one page websites right now.

17:34:11 Doug Misicko: That's right.

17:34:12 Shane Bugbee: I'm trying to get Doug to say some facts.

17:34:13 Doug Misicko: It's a lot to look nice. A lot to digest.

17:34:16 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, so Doug has just... Okay, so dysgenics.com And I have evilnow.com, probably the best site you'll ever go to on the web.

17:34:30 Lance Bugbee: I have nothing.

17:34:31 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. And it only because it has a great story written about me from my wife. It's flattering. Of course my wife wrote it. But, you know, so you should go check these out. Anything else?

17:34:43 Amy Bugbee: You forgot the big biggest coup of the day that the Might is Right books were delivered and luckily released from customers this morning.

17:34:50 Shane Bugbee: You know what, we have Might is Right here and anyone who buys that book and the leather bound only. Okay, Doug, you don't know. Maybe you don't know, Doug is. He's not only the one eyed guy on the radio. He is the artist who drew the illustrations for the inside of Might is Right.

17:35:08 Amy Bugbee: There some at evilnow.com.

17:35:11 Shane Bugbee: That's right. Doug is the artist, a really good artists. It's a, it was a wonderful story, how we hooked up. And point being is we have leather bonds here, he's drawing really nice, one of the kinds of pictures inside them that probably be able to do 10 of them tonight, if you buy a leather bound, now they're 100 bucks, but they're worth it, we only printed 100 of them. And they're sold out, we only have 20. Here, Doug's gonna draw a picture and 10 of them, which makes it worth more than the normal edition. You buy them tonight, between now, five, and midnight, and you're gonna get this one which one that Doug drew a picture. And it's a real nice one of a kind piece of art drawn in the book, you're just not gonna be able to find this. I'm telling you, my people, we're here to sell books, books. And no shit, you buy Might is Right, you get one for free. And I don't do that as necessarily gimmick, I do it because I would like these to be handed out, give one to your friend. People need to read this book. It's a real important work. It should really be spread around, spread, like the legs of a whore. My wife also goes by the handle whore of horror. And that's a website she has. It'll be up by Halloween. And she writes. She writes spooky stories. I don't know how else to explain it. But she's really fucked up in the head. And I think she needs help. I'm glad she writes it down. Because I tell you the few stories I've gotten to read I'm afraid to sleep with their cisely on the couch for a week or two. After I read one of her stories, because she's really fucking mental. You know, in a good way. I mean, in a really spooky, horrible horror away. You know? That's it.

17:36:55 Doug Misicko: Well, you mentioned Burdi and Metzger. But you didn't mention Peter Gilmore and Blanche Burton.

17:36:59 Shane Bugbee: I was just going to you motherfucker. You're still looking at dog. He's trying to win points. Such an ass mooch, your face is brown. Okay, keep it moving. You know, of course we're gonna we're gonna mention the klan. Okay?

17:37:14 Doug Misicko: Keep talking, sweetheart.

17:37:15 Shane Bugbee: So the next person we're mentioning before, the big guest is we have in studio guests coming in. Gentlemen from the band Usurper. It's a black battle man. Tours worldwide really, really, really good, say tannic black metal from Chicago. They're really good guys. And they don't give a fuck they Polish sausages. They're fat. They're sort of fat. But they're, they were spikes in the leather and they're cool. Okay, it's cool. He's gonna be coming in, want to talk to Mark Arminsky. He's an artist out of Detroit that we're doing the SexPo with. And he's a cool guy. And I know Peter Gilmore will we will be talking to him at nine o'clock. And we might be talking to Peg and we might be talking to Blanche Parton. Those are mites. But if they know what's good for him, they're gonna call so I'm saying. Doug Misicko: Keep talking, sweetheart.

17:37:16 Shane Bugbee: So the next person we're mentioning before, the big guest is we have in studio guests coming in. Gentlemen from the band Usurper. It's a black battle man. Tours worldwide really, really, really good, say tannic black metal from Chicago. They're really good guys. And they don't give a fuck they Polish sausages. They're fat. They're sort of fat. But they're, they were spikes in the leather and they're cool. Okay, it's cool. He's gonna be coming in, want to talk to Mark Arminsky. He's an artist out of Detroit that we're doing the SexPo with. And he's a cool guy. And I know Peter Gilmore will we will be talking to him at nine o'clock. And we might be talking to Peg and we might be talking to Blanche Parton. Those are mites. But if they know what's good for him, they're gonna call so I'm saying.

17:38:13 Amy Bugbee: Today only, right? Until midnight, they can get the Might is Right with the illustration.

17:38:18 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, that's well that... Doug's only doing 10 of them. I'm just being cool to people that are listening. I'd rather keep them for myself and sell them on eBay in a couple years for 500 bucks apiece, because that's what I feel it'd be worth is, you know, you're just not gonna find this book. We didn't print a lot of them. They're sold out. I mean, the book The leather bound is really only for the we did that book. And I did it for the Church of Satan in the Imperium. So that books really only available through the Imperium. The books I have here are the 10 that we each got and the ones that Doug is drawing the picture for are for the people, special people. The Radio Free Satan folks this is a special deal for the folks at Radio Free Satan you know so people that are in, tuned in and know what's going on, knows what's happening. Knows what's happening, my nigga. They get the book. And and... Amy Bugbee: Today only, right? Until midnight, they can get the Might is Right with the illustration.

17:38:18 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, that's well that... Doug's only doing 10 of them. I'm just being cool to people that are listening. I'd rather keep them for myself and sell them on eBay in a couple years for 500 bucks apiece, because that's what I feel it'd be worth is, you know, you're just not gonna find this book. We didn't print a lot of them. They're sold out. I mean, the book The leather bound is really only for the we did that book. And I did it for the Church of Satan in the Imperium. So that books really only available through the Imperium. The books I have here are the 10 that we each got and the ones that Doug is drawing the picture for are for the people, special people. The Radio Free Satan folks this is a special deal for the folks at Radio Free Satan you know so people that are in, tuned in and know what's going on, knows what's happening. Knows what's happening, my nigga. They get the book. And and...

17:39:12 Amy Bugbee: Are you offering that ridiculous deal of buy one get one free?

17:39:16 Shane Bugbee: No, not on those leather bounds.

17:39:17 Amy Bugbee: Not no on the paperback?

17:39:19 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, buy one get one free. It's not a ridiculous deal. It's only for radio free site and people think it's a good deal. Also we have might is right t-shirts. It's the cover of the book. It's a skull says big mighty is right across the bottom. We sell it, I'm selling I'm giving them away in Detroit. So anyone who's in Detroit, show up at the noir leathers only and you get a free t shirt. But if you want to buy one from me at 6.66, and you just pay pal us and we'll send it to you or buy it from Radio Free Satan ritual or radio free satan, and I'll have them for sale so you can buy them through their account, donate some money to Radio Free Satan tonight, and I'll send you a shirt, throw throw Radio Free Satan a $5. Bill. And I'll send you a shirt for nothing. I mean, that's the deal. They're good people and, you know, you got it. You need money to do this stuff. This is like PBS right now. We're begging for bucks. Okay? No, I'm joking. I'm not begging. I give a fuck. If you buy any of it. I'm just trying to offer something special to the people. The people I would be communist if I could. But I can't. Hello? Hello. Hello. Hello. Is this plugged in? Well, I hope ... you know, no one's heard a thing I said. No, I'm joking. I heard.

17:40:44 Doug Misicko: No, the chat room says otherwise.

17:40:47 Shane Bugbee: The chat room says what?

17:40:48 Doug Misicko: They know what you've been saying.

17:40:51 Lance Bugbee: They're listening.

17:40:52 Shane Bugbee: So what does the chat room say to what?

17:40:55 Doug Misicko: They're saying, talking shit.

17:40:56 Amy Bugbee: Yeah. Because he says if he were being censored then...

17:41:02 Shane Bugbee: I am being censored. I'm sick of this shit Radio Free Satan is I know what they're doing...

17:41:07 Doug Misicko: Their of value for the FBI.

17:41:09 Shane Bugbee: We've been broadcasting for three fucking days. Okay, Rich's got us locked in a room and he's not letting us out until tonight at midnight. And I hear I get emails. They've only heard us since midnight tonight. We've been here since 9-9.

17:41:27 Amy Bugbee: One thing we haven't talked about is the history of Might is Right.

17:41:32 Amy Bugbee: ...Right.

17:41:32 Shane Bugbee: Well, we talked about that last night when we came on the air a little bit.

17:41:35 Amy Bugbee: Well, I mean, the history of the book itself if anyone cares? I mean, is that dull? Maybe that's to dull?

17:41:41 Shane Bugbee: No, it's not dull. I mean, we, it's, well, it's something that's what they should you know, they're buying the book to read Anton LaVey's introduction, which talks about a lot of his theories about the writings of Might is Right now it could be Jack London, Arthur Desmond. There's a lot of folks that believe they know who it is. I like to believe that it was probably three or four people that wrote the book, Katja Lane, the person who wrote the editor's note had said it might Jack, she believed that Jack London could have contributed to it. She also believes that it was three or four people. We we have the original manuscript we we researched for a couple years and found it before we published this book originally. And when you read the original manuscript, you can see that it's written. What is that, grammatically?

17:42:32 Amy Bugbee: Incorrect?

17:42:33 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, right. In certain spots It was written by it looks like a couple different people did, right? Might is right, like someone added on to the original rant, and then someone added on to that rant. That's what it looks like from, from certain educated folk.

17:42:48 Amy Bugbee: Parts of it are really coherent, and parts of it are really rambling and insane.

17:42:53 Shane Bugbee: Sort of like Doug.

17:42:55 Doug Misicko: Minus the really coherent parts.

17:43:04 Shane Bugbee: Everyone quiet.

17:43:06 Doug Misicko: All right. Give us the history.

17:43:08 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, teach. I'm here to learn school me.

17:43:11 Amy Bugbee: I was asking you, you're pretty much giving it to us.

17:43:14 I gave it.

17:43:15 Well, one interesting thing when we were researching might is right as we found an underground magazine, that was published in in around Chicago called the Lions Paw. And there was also the serpent and the eagle. And Ragnar Redbeard, was a contributor as well as a number of other people. And also another contributor to the book was Upton Sinclair, who was about 18 at the time.

17:43:41 Shane Bugbee: And he had what back and forth with jack London with the book Amy found really hard to find letters written from Upton Sinclair to Jack London, the best part of Might is Right to me the weirdest thing when we did the research was me and Amy, were out of Chicago. We found out mine is right was published out of Chicago at some point and Ragnar Redbeard had lived in Chicago lions paw, eagle and serpent were published out of Chicago. One of the editions of Might is Right, the older editions was published out of Chicago as well. So it's a cool tie in that lovey was born in Chicago. Redbeard lived in Chicago at one time. We live in Chicago, we published the book, and Doug's passing through Chicago. Weird. Now I don't know that's weird. And I know George Hawthorne at one time had driven through Chicago and gotten a hot dog. That's strange stuff. Chicago has a lot of tie-ins with his book.

17:44:37 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. And Upton Sinclair if he was one of the contributors to Might is Right, lived in Chicago too, and wrote that great book The Jungle that got us the FDA.

17:44:48 Shane Bugbee: You think Upton Sinclair was in the ass raping 13 year old girls?

17:44:53 Amy Bugbee: You know, I don't know and one of the letters from jack London to Upton Sinclair that I found he says to Upton that it It's not that I don't trust you because you don't drink it's I don't trust you because of your uptight sexual views. I don't know if he was really out there. Getting much of anything.

17:45:16 Doug Misicko: Like John Ashcroft.

17:45:18 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. What's Ashcroft's battle cry cover the nipples?

17:45:24 Doug Misicko: Yep. Cover the nipples. Shane's covering the nipples right now.

17:45:32 Amy Bugbee: He sure is.

17:45:33 Shane Bugbee: Oh fuck yeah.

17:45:36 Amy Bugbee: He's gonna get that orgasming girl back out of the basement soon.

17:45:41 Shane Bugbee: We'd have to get a shovel...

17:45:47 Doug Misicko: So who we have?

17:45:48 Amy Bugbee: So...

17:45:49 Lance Bugbee: Well, we have a couple people that don't know what to say.

17:45:55 Shane Bugbee: Doug is tired. It looks like.

17:45:56 Amy Bugbee: He's fading fast.

17:45:59 Shane Bugbee: What are you saying? Marco Minsky was a crybaby?

17:46:02 Doug Misicko: ...was killing me. Eugene killed me. He knocked me out.

17:46:04 Shane Bugbee: And Eugene, if you're listening Brother, you had one of the best interviews. And one of the worst. It was like it was amazing because the beginning it was amazing. All the stories you were telling were great. And then....something happened.

17:46:18 Doug Misicko: Be happy divided into 10 parts or something. Mother fuck. The guy had 20 stories for everything.

17:46:25 Shane Bugbee: Eugene, we need to have you on once a week. One hour. The Eugene Hour. The Oxbow hour.

17:46:32 Doug Misicko: All right, exactly.

17:46:36 Amy Bugbee: Well, it was quite an hour. I don't think any of us got much in.

17:46:40 Shane Bugbee: That guy's verbal rapist. I feel like a 13 year old girl with a bloody ass.

17:46:47 Doug Misicko: I lost what he was saying. I had to sit down.

17:46:52 Shane Bugbee: Yes, he did. It started out good.

17:46:57 Doug Misicko: It probably even finished off good. It was just too long. I don't know. But by that point, it wasn't listening.

17:47:03 Shane Bugbee: How long do we talk to your conspiracy guy?

17:47:07 Doug Misicko: I don't know. That was it. That was almost an hour or two. But he kept fresh. I thought maybe I'm wrong. I was just I was a little more fresh at the time.

17:47:24 Amy Bugbee: So what's up next, Shane?

17:47:25 Shane Bugbee: I'm reading something, I know you guys have something to talk about. Pretend you're sitting on the couch. You know talking you guys can do that when the mics are off. So come on. We can all play pretend. Yeah, go ahead. Talk. Real quick. Come on. Well, I'll just play music.

17:47:40 Amy Bugbee: I guess we should discuss the Old ah Date of infamy that we're broadcasting on. Perfect, you know, good old 911. And what is 911 mean to you? Doug?

17:47:58 Doug Misicko: Well, it means we're broadcasting Radio Free Satan. What's the mean to you Lance?

17:48:04 Lance Bugbee: Kind of reminds me of the Crusades.

17:48:07 Doug Misicko: Why is that Lance?

17:48:09 Lance Bugbee: I don't know.

17:48:10 Doug Misicko: Then what the fuck are you talking about?

17:48:11 Lance Bugbee: For killing all the Christians, now it's just more recent times.

17:48:20 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. And what about those darn Palestinians?

17:48:23 Doug Misicko: I got nothing to say about them. Nothing to say about the Middle East. Amy Bugbee: Exactly. And what about those darn Palestinians?

17:48:23 Doug Misicko: I got nothing to say about them. Nothing to say about the Middle East.

17:48:35 Shane Bugbee: Wow, we've got really weird letters. That's no surprise churches Satan folks. Shouldn't be the only one has to read em but...

17:48:45 Doug Misicko: Weird chatroom material?

17:48:47 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, they love us.

17:48:49 Doug Misicko: Yeah, go ahead. Read em.

17:48:51 Shane Bugbee: You fucking read him bitch. Don't tell me what to do. Motherfucker.

17:48:54 Doug Misicko: All right, go ahead read them. Read 'em, nipples.

17:48:59 Shane Bugbee: Your lucky, that's new drywall on that wall fucking toxic plastic. See, I'm getting old. I care about my drywall. That's an old man. Ya give a fuck. I turned into Radio Free Satan radio radio. I turned in a radio free saying today and heard a very loud mouth. A very loud mouth making of noxious references to fucking niggers. And also making numerous comments about ass raping someone's 13 year old daughter leaving her with a bloody anus. Sounds funny. I don't I don't know what anyone else's thoughts are on this but in my opinion is quite cheap, unintelligent, and, and some French word. Whatever.

17:49:41 Amy Bugbee: Thanks, Thomas Thorne.

17:49:42 Shane Bugbee: It is really quite unpalatable and completely unnecessary. I switched off; if I wanted to hear that kind of conversation. I would go well, I don't know where we're exactly. But somewhere very dumb people hanging around. I'm so dumb that you're listening. Like, I listen into this station quite often, but I'm glad I missed that broadcast. You're so stupid. You're glad you missed something? You didn't fucking hear you moron I'm glad you didn't listen. What kind of stupid comment is that? What kind of satanist is writing something like that? I can't believe it. I'm glad I missed that conversation. You don't even know what it is... in what context we were talking. That's ridiculous, man. Oh, that's horrible. That's disappointing with my poor internet connection. I can't get Radio Free Satan running properly. But I had been planning on tuning in once I got my cable modem up and running. This makes me think twice. My time is too precious to waste it on trash like that. Wow. Well, let's say you stick your fucking head in the oven. Waste the life. That's, What do you think of that Doug?

17:50:49 Doug Misicko: I'm with them. I agree entirely.

17:50:54 Amy Bugbee: Where's their sense of humor Jeez, is Anton LaVey the only satanist with a sense of humor?

17:50:58 Shane Bugbee: So far, only one person has heard it. And there's six people commenting on how shitty it is. They don't even know what the hell was being said or what you know. As a matter of fact, I don't even know what the hell was being said. And I was here to saying it.

17:51:12 Amy Bugbee: I don't even remember hearing that.

17:51:13 Shane Bugbee: I remembered, I think it was about cops' families and how cops i don't know i forget. I'd love to hear back but I'm sure I'm sure I meant well.

17:51:25 Amy Bugbee: I'm sure you did too.

17:51:26 Shane Bugbee: All right.

17:51:26 Doug Misicko: Best intentions with those 13 year olds.

17:51:29 Shane Bugbee: I sure I meant the exact opposite of well, but Whatever that is, I'm getting tired. So I'm gonna run my own disclaimer. I'm really tired. And I'm not going to be able to complete a good sentence in a couple of hours. 24 hour radio show was not the best idea Rich. I think the guy at Radio Free Satan came up with this idea. And it wasn't me. Doug Misicko: Best intentions with those 13 year olds.

17:51:29 Shane Bugbee: I sure I meant the exact opposite of well, but Whatever that is, I'm getting tired. So I'm gonna run my own disclaimer. I'm really tired. And I'm not going to be able to complete a good sentence in a couple of hours. 24 hour radio show was not the best idea Rich. I think the guy at Radio Free Satan came up with this idea. And it wasn't me.

17:51:50 Amy Bugbee: How dare he do this to us?

17:51:52 Shane Bugbee: Okay, well, I don't know who know who the guy was. I gave it quite a while in the hope he would shut up. He did not. If he is from the station then he should be kept off the air if he was a guest and he should have been told to shut up or otherwise removed. He was not even responding to any conversation simply shouting obscenities.

17:52:12 Doug Misicko: Who's doing that I for a while I thought he's talking about Eugene. But Eugene wasn't shouting obscenities.

17:52:17 Shane Bugbee: a lot of people put some hard work into Radio Free Satan and I do not wish to slur the whole thing because of this instance. But I hope I do hope they choose to portray themselves better in the future. I'm sure there's an explanation somewhere there ought to be at least it was quite appalling.

17:52:36 Doug Misicko: We're all taking the moral high ground here.

17:52:39 Shane Bugbee: Does this have anything to do with Might is Right day, that was planned for today on Radio Free Satan. Apparently they were meant to be various guests talking about the book. It was it was the Might is Right day. But this time there was no mention of it. Is there ever such an excuse to spout for spouting such drivel?

17:53:06 Amy Bugbee: Well everyone in the chat room loves it and they said to tell you that indeed good time suck dick you pussies.

17:53:16 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, suck dick you pussies you nigger, cunt, jew pussies if I get a hold of your 13 year old daughters you know what's happening.

17:53:25 I can't even read this long god damn I would like to... Doug, can you come over and do something for your fucking dollar? Goddamn punk.

17:53:34 Amy Bugbee: What are we giving you a free book for?

17:53:35 Shane Bugbee: You motherfucker drew the pictures in the book you're lucky I get I'm not you're not even getting the free book now. I let the guy draw pictures for the book. He gives me 100 bucks I said I give you a free book. Now read that would you here's the...

17:53:46 Lance Bugbee: Talk into the mic, honey.

17:53:52 Doug Misicko: All right. I don't see who this is from. Oh it's from Bill M.

17:53:57 Shane Bugbee: That's not from Bill M. Bill M. is another guy, this is just a...

17:54:01 Doug Misicko: Alright, Bill and some other guy.

17:54:03 Shane Bugbee: Reading my inbox. Rich, Bill M., JB Huntley. Those are all people that have sent me mail.

17:54:09 Doug Misicko: All right.

17:54:09 Shane Bugbee: This mail I have open is from, doesn't say. Just here...

17:54:15 Doug Misicko: Okay. As with any public forum, there are always going to be those who just want to hear themselves, be it radio, message boards and in parentheses. I believe we have an extensive collection of recorded instances here in the basement, etc. There will always be infantile simpletons who enjoy hearing themselves say "poop" on the air.

17:54:35 Lance Bugbee: Alright, who said poop?

17:54:37 Shane Bugbee: Nipple.

17:54:38 Doug Misicko: Oh, that's right. Unfortunately, there will always be confusion between us as Satanists and Zion Satanists, who live their lives to be what Zionists deem evil. Therefore, on any open satanic forum, there're going to be those who want to impress us, the members of the Church of Satan, with how evil and blasphemous they can be without even knowing or regarding what our views and philosophies are. The point of this is not to defend these morons, believe me, I would love to see their faces turn purple as they choke on their immaturity. My point is that they're inevitable. We live in a society at least in America... I'm not too keen on things elsewhere, I'm not much of a traveler ...that rewards stupidity. They're everywhere. They're stupid use birth control. And they are too stupid to use birth control. Sorry. I personally just look at them for what they are, testaments of my superiority. I certainly feel that Satanists are far superior to the common idiot. I don't go around using that as a license for belligerents that would be irresponsible and counterproductive. Instead, I let their annoyances fuel my drive to succeed. I find it unfortunate that they are infiltrating our media. They have no place with us. They are the kids that feel that negative attention is better than none at all. Hopefully, that sort of annoyance will not run rampant. Well?

17:55:59 Shane Bugbee: I'll tell you what, you cocksucker. I've done more than you'll ever do. And I don't even know who you are. But I can guarantee I've done more than you'll ever do. As a matter of fact, I've done so much that I was invited by Dr. LaVey to go and sit in his house and hang out with them. He gave me the foreword to Might is Right so i would publish his foreword and publish his work. He didn't see me as that bad of a guy, you following cocksucker?

17:56:26 Doug Misicko: Well, what's this about infiltrating their media? This is their media.

17:56:29 Shane Bugbee: He must be a Jew Satanist some fucking media hog prick?

17:56:32 Lance Bugbee: Well, it's 180 degree difference. Hey,

17:56:35 Shane Bugbee: Keep it down. I like to hear myself. The feedback I gotta hear in the headphones. Okay, I just heard myself.

17:56:40 Amy Bugbee: 180 degree difference on the old chat room. In fact, Genocide is offering to give up their 13 year old daughter to you.

17:56:47 Shane Bugbee: Oh, hey, bring them back. You know what, you'll get a free t shirt and then some. Bring her by. Oh my god, I was grabbed my penis as I said that. Can you say penis on the air?

17:56:59 Amy Bugbee: Most of them don't have much good to say about the news groups, especially alt.Satanism. So..

17:57:05 Shane Bugbee: Well, you know, whatever. Everyone's got their right to their opinion. And that's cool. You know, but you're stupid folks. And you. You're sitting there, righting...you know, whatever.

17:57:14 Doug Misicko: So the emails all the same identifiers. They know what the real deal is. Shane Bugbee: Well, you know, whatever. Everyone's got their right to their opinion. And that's cool. You know, but you're stupid folks. And you. You're sitting there, righting...you know, whatever.

17:57:14 Doug Misicko: So the emails all the same identifiers. They know what the real deal is.

17:57:22 Shane Bugbee: Thank you, Doug. You know what? We may give you a sandwich for that. Oh, you know what, Doug is one of these motherfuckers doesn't eat he's really skinny. And I don't think I've seen him eat anything today but a handful of almonds. It's amazing to me. Let me see I got a phone call... Hello? Hello? Marvin. No. A wipe. Ass wipe. What? A wipe. Oh yeah, this is Marvin's wife. Dumb fuck. Oh, wow.

17:58:23 Doug Misicko: Another beautiful email?

17:58:24 Shane Bugbee: It actually has my name which I always if it's not hearing my voice you know I really love hearing my voice but the one thing that's better than hear my own voice is seeing my name in print spelled properly. Doug Misicko: Another beautiful email?

17:58:24 Shane Bugbee: It actually has my name which I always if it's not hearing my voice you know I really love hearing my voice but the one thing that's better than hear my own voice is seeing my name in print spelled properly.

17:58:40 Doug Misicko: What is it and who's it from?

17:58:41 Shane Bugbee: Here's the full I don't know. I wish I wish but who knows what will happen?

17:58:55 Doug Misicko: What are you doing? Wake up.

17:58:56 Shane Bugbee: You fucking say sup motherfucker. Well, don't depend on me to carry the weight here.

17:59:01 Amy Bugbee: It's almost time to give Mr. Metzger a call back.

17:59:04 Shane Bugbee: Did he say so?

17:59:06 Amy Bugbee: Well, no but we can give him a ring-a-ding again.

17:59:08 Shane Bugbee: Hey.

17:59:12 Amy Bugbee: What?

17:59:14 Shane Bugbee: You don't fuck with Tom Metzger, he'll send the boot boys over. Okay?

17:59:19 Amy Bugbee: Does he not give ringy-dings?

17:59:20 Shane Bugbee: Don't know what he gives. Let's give him a call and see if he's gonna pick up the phone.

17:59:24 Amy Bugbee: All right, let's try.

17:59:27 Shane Bugbee: I'm sure he's blowing us off. I'm sure he was offended by the nigger and or Jew comment. Fucking Metzger Come on, man. Good old Tommy Metzger. I believe his websites resist.com Let me see here resist and wonder what his chatroom says. Maybe they'll say you know they've been talking to a Jew. Well, that commie camp what was the guy.

17:59:59 Tom Metzger: You have to leave your message. Thank you.

Hour 19

18:00:07 Amy Bugbee: Hi, Tom. This is Amy bugbee calling again about the old radio show.

18:00:12 Shane Bugbee: Come on. Tommy. We're here. Wait, man.

18:00:16 Amy Bugbee: We're ready when you are. You can call.

18:00:19 Shane Bugbee: Tommy we are full white in here. There's no half breeds. Everyone here has blue eyes. We're on it brother. Want to talk to you. Pick up the phone. We must have lost them with that bad PR, for wanting to ass rape a 13 year old girl.

18:00:47 Doug Misicko: I think Metzger considers himself Catholic.

18:00:53 Shane Bugbee: Really?

18:00:55 Doug Misicko: That's what I read.

18:00:56 Shane Bugbee: So was that mean?

18:00:59 Doug Misicko: Just seems contradictory to me to be a Catholic Nazi.

18:01:05 Shane Bugbee: Well it was great. When we went to the Klan museum. We went to the Klan Museum in South Carolina me and Amy It was funny they were all "you join, you should join". You look like a good upstanding Christian. Wonder what what is his resistance? Come on Doug. You can say something I know you could say somebody Why don't you say something about... Is the number there? Give him a call, we'll see. We're gonna try to call one of our friends a survivor of the Waco tragedy one of the only survivors that's not in prison there's a friend of ours well you know friend as far as that goes, he wants he wants total Armageddon. He says fuck it let's see who's left standing at the end of the world and I'm all for that.

18:01:55 Unknown: [Phone Ringing] Shane Bugbee: Well it was great. When we went to the Klan museum. We went to the Klan Museum in South Carolina me and Amy It was funny they were all "you join, you should join". You look like a good upstanding Christian. Wonder what what is his resistance? Come on Doug. You can say something I know you could say somebody Why don't you say something about... Is the number there? Give him a call, we'll see. We're gonna try to call one of our friends a survivor of the Waco tragedy one of the only survivors that's not in prison there's a friend of ours well you know friend as far as that goes, he wants he wants total Armageddon. He says fuck it let's see who's left standing at the end of the world and I'm all for that.

18:02:13 Shane Bugbee: Internet radio [ring] we just have friendly chat with them. [ring] Is that the seven seals phone number Amy? That's a secret society right there but you might want to uh... Oh wow, what the hell's going on here? Wow, Tom Metzger site is down. Totally down, it says Clear Live communications, the virtual... .com is not active. Oh man. Wow, that's spooky his sites down. Oh, wow.

18:03:01 Doug Misicko: Feds got to him first.

18:03:05 Shane Bugbee: Wow. That's crazy. His whole website's down, it is resist and just check it out.

18:03:20 Amy Bugbee: I guess the feds got somebody.

18:03:23 Shane Bugbee: Well, I know I saw one valuable piece of information on Tom Metzger's website was really good. And it was the best piece of advice I think I've ever gotten, especially when dealing with government officials and this guy has had his whole life taken away because of a magazine he published. And because some idiot went out and shot some black or Jewish folk and this guy he gets his whole his house taken away, gets sued to the to the elbows or whatever and... he put out this video on his website and he talks about, it shows him with FBI agents coming to talk to him about, I believe it was either Oklahoma City or 9-11, his they're involved the white supremist involvement and he said all you say to police is I have nothing to say is that seven words I have nothing to say five words. Yeah the five words you always say that's all you say to police is I have nothing to say. I have nothing to say because the minute you say one word in the different any different they can arrest you based on your reply. Basically it's a really interesting videos to bad sites not up.

18:04:38 Amy Bugbee: I hope everything's okay.

18:04:41 Shane Bugbee: Wow, well that is not cool because you know, then someone's gonna want to knock on our door or something... I'm sure one of those keen satanist is turning us in or something because they're so appalled. You ever hear of turning it off? Like just turning it off and going away? I mean, I think... I think it got him excited. What do you think, Doug?

18:05:10 Doug Misicko: Yeah, I think so.

18:05:11 Shane Bugbee: What do you think the psychology behind something like that is? Come on. smartass.

18:05:17 Doug Misicko: I wasn't listening.

18:05:19 Shane Bugbee: Oh, it's all these comments about him being from a library now he's not talking he's clamming up. Doug you go take a nap if you're tired, man.

18:05:27 Doug Misicko: Oh no no, I'm here.

18:05:28 Shane Bugbee: ...look doesn't go through the radio, so at least go "eh eh eh." At least do that.

18:05:38 Lance Bugbee: Definitely a face for radio.

18:05:42 Shane Bugbee: Oh come on, man. Listen, we're gonna start knife fight in a second.

18:05:48 Doug Misicko: That's right. I mean didn't these people who were offended claim they weren't listening to begin with?

18:06:00 Shane Bugbee: Well, most words that's the funniest part about it. I'll never listen to church or Radio Free Satan. And they weren't even listening but they'll listen to their friend that that comments about it. What kind of group of followers is this? The leaders in the pack, it seems like in that board.

18:06:17 Doug Misicko: I know, a bunch of losers.

18:06:21 Shane Bugbee: True leader would just get on with his fucking day click the computer out if he doesn't like what he's hearing and get on with. You know, whatever. Toilet wash and losers. You bet. I bet you got to go to your toy store job. Probably you know work at a toy store bookstore. Fucking bookstore cunts. Believe me, I only talk like this because I have a very limited vocabulary. I dropped out of school at 16 and I've seemed to have survived this far. It's just a limited vocabulary, cocksucker. [Silence] Just don't talk. No one talk, except Doug. This is Doug's half hour, we're just gonna sit here and be quiet and what you know that's it and then that's it so this is Doug the the such a creative genius and artists that did the artwork for Might is Right and he's going to let it all flow right now. He's not going he's got a lot of hate, he say.s Here you go Mike the mics... there you go Doug. It's all you, baby.

18:07:28 Doug Misicko: Just imagine me looking really good.

18:07:38 Amy Bugbee: Keep talking...

18:07:39 Doug Misicko: That's all I got. That's all I'm good for.

18:07:43 Shane Bugbee: So if you want that kind of creativity in your in your projects, please try to hire Doug. He's a real creative genius. He has a lot to express, a lot to say. You know, it's good. I thought we would I was trying to get someone in here to beat or something you know but now it's good, Doug is burned out. I love it. It's survival of the fattest in this room. Skinny prick. It's these fat cells, they hold in the caffeine, the sugars, it just keeps you up for fucking days. The smart, yeah holds in. Hey, Radio Free Satan just got a $20 donation.

18:08:28 Amy Bugbee: Wow, this is like a telethon.

18:08:30 Shane Bugbee: Raul. Raul. You are alright Raul. Hey, Raul, A-M-E-Z. Is that a... What kind of name is that? I bet you if you call him a spic, he'd say "I'm Spanish," but I wouldn't Raul, because you donated 20 bucks to Radio Free Satan. You are pretty cool guy, man. You're gonna get a little something extra in that envelope Raul. I might just wear that T shirt, before I give it to you for free. Okay? Get it nice and sweaty and send it to you. Eh? Eh? Okay, back to.. Oh, wait, my microphone is on Naomi's is off.

18:09:12 Amy Bugbee: Oh, Nice.

18:09:14 Shane Bugbee: Thanks Doug. You're really destroying the radio show.

18:09:18 Doug Misicko: I was pointing that out to ya.

18:09:21 Amy Bugbee: This is turning into a train wreck. We're gonna have to call Eugene back, to get someone to talk.

18:09:27 Shane Bugbee: We need someone to talk. Let's call Eugene. You know, Doug complained about Eugene and Eugene, If you're listening, you see this is the kind of guy is complaining about you. He's the guy talked too much. He couldn't get a word in edgewise. And now we know why he didn't have a word. edgewise.

18:09:43 Amy Bugbee: Nothing to say well, maybe we'll liven it up with some exciting mine is right. Inspired music.

18:09:53 Shane Bugbee: See the swastika turning, turning?

18:10:00 Amy Bugbee: Shane's gonna sing for us now, c'mon.

18:10:05 Shane Bugbee: I need some Elvis lyrics I can only sing Elv...but my brothers are good Elvis impersonator. Not you. You're a good impersonation of a meatball.

18:10:14 Lance Bugbee: Nice.

18:10:17 Amy Bugbee: It's getting ugly in here.

18:10:18 Lance Bugbee: I like food.

18:10:21 Shane Bugbee: And Doug you're looking like dinner. Yeah, that's all you're good for now. Sandwich meat, motherfucker.

18:10:27 Doug Misicko: That's right.

18:10:29 Amy Bugbee: It's getting ugly in here.

18:10:30 Shane Bugbee: When the three of us start looking at you like a sandwich. You should worry.

18:10:34 Amy Bugbee: Is the time to tie your wrists together and give you each a knife?

18:10:37 Shane Bugbee: Yes.

18:10:40 Amy Bugbee: All right.

18:10:41 Shane Bugbee: Yes, please. Let's go. Let's go. Come on. Let's go outside. I ain't fucking with you, punk. ...still nothing to say. Just look at him. He's like, come on, dude.

18:10:56 Amy Bugbee: Are we playing so...

18:10:57 Shane Bugbee: I got it, Amy's gonna see the magic of Shane. Shane on the mic.

18:11:06 Amy Bugbee: Magic of Shane. Something I'm lucky enough to experience every day.

18:11:19 Shane Bugbee: You really did experience the magic of Shane. ...destroy something on purpose. All right, I got it.

18:12:07 Amy Bugbee: We trying that again?

18:12:08 Shane Bugbee: This is for all you homos on that personal Satan board. [nazi music] Hey,that was Carnivor. Now here's more fun, fun or I'm gonna play an old George Eric Hawthorne piece from when he was running resistance Rex records. He was in the band RAHOWA. And, this is a spoken word. It's about 20 minutes. And it's got a really cool song at the end.

18:28:45 Amy Bugbee: Remember when we went up to see RAHOWA play in Canada?

18:28:48 Shane Bugbee: That was wicked intense. It was like the A ticket in Disney World. We drove up George had written the afterword to the last printing of Might is Right that we did. And he invited us up to see the band. And we couldn't refuse a band with the name "racial holy war". So we went up for this is my first experience at a skinhead rally, Nazi youth pack in the place 200 skinheads, was crazy what?

18:29:19 Amy Bugbee: We drove up there, we had to stop and get searched at the border, because they said they were searching everyone that fit a profile because there was a hate rally going on. And then when we got up to the venue, which was a Polish Hall, right, a Polish veterans Hall, the Canadian Mounties were there and they took down our license plate number, our VIN number, our driver's license numbers, and they said they were going to report him to the United States government. And we went in and there was a wedding going on and the band play.

18:29:56 Shane Bugbee: It was at an old Polish VFW Hall. And the old guy made sandwiches for everyone. It was a really cool thing. And George proclaimed, it wasn't about hate. It was about love of your own people. And it was a really intense experience because these folks were really angry and they're all like, "Seig hail. Seig hail!" and the cops came in. And these all these Nazi skinhead turned around like they were going to run at the cops. And the cops backed right out the door. And it was like 40 cops versus 200 skinheads and all the skinheads looked at these cops, and they were about the charge, and the cops backed off. And then the cop sent a interracial couple to walk back and forth in front of the entrance trying to provoke a riot. So they could bust some skulls.

18:30:49 Amy Bugbee: But it didn't happen because everybody knew it was a plant.

18:30:53 Shane Bugbee: It almost happened, man, those guys are motherfuckers they were tough.

18:30:57 Amy Bugbee: It was quite an experience.

18:30:58 Shane Bugbee: They wanted to run out there and beat the cops.

18:31:02 Amy Bugbee: When when the Cavs came in, they all started yelling "pig pigs pigs". The whole place.

18:31:10 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, that was an interesting time. That was a good time. I'd like to see George's new band. That'd be such a crazy difference. Bubbles. Nice rainbow lighting, mellow, moody stuff. We're gonna play some of his new bands soon, too. He sent me a song he wanted me to play. So we're gonna start something right now.

18:31:33 [noises]

18:32:24 You know, I think I'm playing the wrong one. So I'm going to stop this and I'm going to move this one up here. And then we're gonna play that.

18:32:35 Testing is this thing on? Hello? Hello? testing. I don't think this fucking shit is working hello hello testing is this Hello? Hello testing. Hello Is this thing on this fucking internet broadcasting What the fuck is fucking stupid computer? Hello hello is this thing on? Ah fuck it, man. fucking sick motherfuck...[profanity] Oh shit, I think this shit works.

18:36:01 Pre-record (masc): Beat that head in. Cut those eyes out. Beat that head in. Cut those eyes out. Amputate those legs, lop the head off. lop the head off. decapitate decapitate the head, lop it off. Amputate the head, beaty it in, cut those eyes out, lop the limbs off cut em out lop em off, amputatem, decapitate kill kill kill.

George Eric Hawthorne Speeches

18:40:57 Amy Bugbee: The speaker you're about to listen to is George Eric Hawthorne, founder of Resistance Records, editor of Resistance Magazine, lead vocalist of RaHoWa and lifelong white racial activists. Through thick and thin Mr. Hawthorne has stayed true to his values and urged others to do the same. His progressive contributions to the white racialist movement are testimony to the power of one white man, who's alive with the type of determination characteristic of our great ancestors. The title of this presentation is “Blood Destiny.” I give you, George Eric Hawthorne.

18:41:41 George Eric Hawthorne: What I'm about to talk to you about is disturbing. By today's standards, I am considered an evil man, a radical. I have been condemned in the media and sentenced to a life of harassment due to my opinions. But I ask the world, what is evil? And the truth is that evil is often just a label that the system attaches on whatever threatens those in power.

What is a radical? a radical is someone that challenges convention, anyone who promotes change is a radical. Throughout history, we owe our progress to radicals.

Now that we have gotten that out of the way, let there be nothing between us, dear listener, that will prevent you from absorbing what I will be discussing for the next little while. I want you to listen carefully, and understand what I am saying. Because the future of the white race, and even possibly life on this planet, depends on these ideas being realized and acted upon.

We live in an era when we are given far too much information about far too many things. No one can possibly keep abreast of everything that is happening in the world. And even the nightly news takes only small selected tidbits of facts and lies, to report into your living room. But what if, amidst all of the nonsense that we have to shift through something horrible was happening, something nearly unspeakable, and none of the mainstream media reported it? Well, something that I can only describe in these terms is indeed happening.

The white people, the descendants of Europe, that live scattered around the globe, are slowly but steadily disappearing from the earth. In 1931, in every four people on the planet was white. But by 1970, only one in every 10 people were white. And today in 1996, one in every 14 people are white, only one out of every 30 babies born this year were white. And this indicates that once this new generation has grown up, we will be virtually swamped. In a rising tide of color that may be too late to stop.

There are only a few ways that someone can react to these figures. The first way, and perhaps the most common, is to stick your head in the sand and pretend that it will just go away. If you watch a lot of TV, and drink a lot of alcohol. Others choose to deny that these figures are even true, and will try to write me off as a paranoid man. Others still, will believe that this nightmare scenario was happening will indeed see it going on all around them. But we'll be too interested in preserving their own little piece of the pie to ever actually try and fight it. But there is another group of you out there who do none of the above. And you are of my kind. You are brave men and women, you are fiercely loyal to your ancestors and to your culture, and to your people. And you want to work to secure the existence of our people, and a future for white children. You are prepared to give ready to sacrifice, ready to charge off into battle with banners flying to reclaim what is ours by the sign of blood. But first, before any of this will happen. We must know what is wrong with our people. And therefore how we are going to fight this insidious system to win. For nothing short of total victory counts in a war for the survival of your kind. Because extinction is forever.

With so much at stake for our people today. With our birth rate plummeting, with previously uncharted levels of non-white immigration pouring through our borders, with race-mixing being promoted and accepted as being en vouge. You would think that masses of white people will be rising up in righteous dissension to assert their right to life and self determination. But instead it seems that something has sapped our will to live. Let us examine what is wrong with white people that they are so unwilling to fight to preserve their own race and culture.

When psychiatrists analyze the reasons given by those who have attempted suicide, an extremely common reason is the feeling of lack of self worth. Obviously, it is a rare situation for someone with high self esteem to try and end their own life. Conversely, any nation or race of people that has no collective self esteem, or what would more appropriately be called pride, find themselves quickly searching for reasons to fight an obvious threat. You hear a disarming number of people nowadays, when presented with the argument that the white race is in jeopardy, that only respond with the “Who cares?” argument. Clear I've even received a letter from a particularly soulless White, who even argued that treason to whiteness is a loyalty to humanity. He went on to argue that he has consciously chosen to race mix, because he feels that the white race has been a social plague throughout history and needs to be obliterated, like a cancer. Essentially, much like the depressed tortured soul that attempts suicide: due to a lack of self worth. This man clearly has no concept of what it means to be white. Well, he was perhaps white skinned, and genetically white. As a descendant of white parents. There was something much different between this individual and myself. For I spend my life fanatically dedicated to awakening the slumbering white masses, who are a potential army of dormant fighters. While this race mixer chooses instead to plunge with ardor into the abyss of self defilement. So where lies the difference between he and I? I have a racial consciousness, a racial soul, where he has nothing but a void, he may perhaps be well read, and even know his history. But the facts he has learned about our ancestors are as cold as the algebra or the geography that he studied. He has no connection to his past, not a real connection of understanding and admiration, and paying reverence to this past. Instead, he is spiteful of the accomplishments of his ancestors, although he undoubtedly is living off the results of their sacrifices.

Think for a second, about how much we take for granted that the collective genius and heroism of our ancestors has left to us. Electricity, the light bulb, the computer, the airplane, the telephone, the list goes on and on. This fellow that supports race mixing, wrote the letter on paper made in a white invented paper mill, wrote it in ink cultivated by a white with a pen invented by a white, perhaps drove his white invented car to the white created institution known as the postal outlet, and paid to have it delivered to me by any number of white invented transportation methods. In light of this, think of how pathetically hypocritical his urge to race mix is, how could any man be so devoid of respect for the efforts and sacrifices of his forefathers? It is literal treason, if you are going to dishonor the memory of your ancestors, then you should no longer partake in the fruits of their labors.

When often asked to share my political beliefs with people, my typical response is that I have no interest in politics, because like it or not, that term and its modern connotations have been taken over by such spineless demonstrations of government bungling, and such blatantly revolting displays of corruption, but to even participate in this farce is to become part of the spectacle yourself. Long ago, a tenacious parasite, gored out the soul of the political machine, and left only the window dressing and the frame of what was once a more noble office. No, instead of talking about politics, I talk about survival. Are matters of life and death to be dealt with by balance petitions? Should one write letters to the representatives of your executioner begging for a chance to live? I think not. But conversely, no matter how many guns and bullets we can stockpile, the system will always have 10,000 times more. No. Our fight is a struggle that must be waged. in the minds of white people, we are our only chance at salvation. And if we die, we are the only ones that deserve the blame. What will we say to the future generations? If faced with the undeniable extinction of our race? I'm sorry, but getting drunk was more important. Or how about the always convincing? I had football games to watch? Will you be able to look into your grandchildren's eyes and tell them that you're sorry, but you voted for the wrong guys? Surely there is more to do than we are doing. Surely, there are tasks left untouched, that must be pursued. Surely there are those among you who are ready and willing to stand at the gates of history and demand entrance.

As I said earlier, this is not a matter of political choices. This is a sacred cause, one that must root itself deep in your consciousness, enveloping your soul and setting you alive with passion and purpose. I do not think politically for the white race. I live, breathe and exist for my people. I am as fanatic and radical as any follower of any religion. Because the bottom line is that this is my faith. This is our holy ground. This is the hour of fate for a race that has lived for 1000s of centuries. A great fearsome race that must awaken it's fighting strength to win back the sacred soil of our fathers. White racial comrades, the clouds may have darkened and the ravens are circling above. But by the blood of our ancestors, we hold the key to our own salvation. Look into your own self, deep into your own racial soul, and uncover the mystery in the magic of our collective blood destiny.

White racial comrades, a bold and glorious promise awaits those who are not afraid to partake in the covenant of blood. A great noble truth lies beyond the next horizon. But we must have the will to go there. But the future is filled with peril. Because great sacrifices must be made by those who fight the struggle. I have burned the bridges behind me. And with every extra warrior that does the same. Our army swells in might, and potential. Remember, you must lose sight of the shore to discover new lands. A wonderful world awaits us if we win. I firmly believe that although the odds are great, we have a lot on our side to be confident in. We have a blossoming energetic young movement, filled with fanatically dedicated fighters and thinkers. And this growth is happening right under the noses of a system that thought we were dying. And that the only people that thought like us were over the age of 50. Well, take another look. We are fearless and forthright and determined as ever to take a stand despite all the odds.

I will leave you with one idea that I firmly believe in, and that if everyone follows, we cannot lose. Here it is: The first step to conquering the world is conquering the self. You are the first step in that is where your battle should rage. In your mind, educated. In your muscles, train them. In your spirit, be in tune with your racial soul. Become a living breathing embodiment of the ideals which we live for. And all who come in contact with you will admire you for your strength of purpose, your conviction and your devotion to the values which give your life meaning.

Seek your blood destiny. My white racial comrades, find it in your own racial soul. And then bring the good news to the world that the white race shall indeed rise again.

[Applause]

18:56:30 Shane Bugbee: Now, we're going to get to Our final speaker this evening. And that's Reverend George Eric Hawthorne, of the North Carolina based Church of the Creator, this 22 year old heritage fund associate, has appeared on the “Geraldo” and “Now It Can Be Told” programs. He is representing the white race. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Rev. George Eric Hawthorne.

[Applause]

18:57:21 George Eric Hawthorne: There's power in the air tonight that we can all feel. It's a power of the coming white resurgence. I would like to start tonight by getting a quote, spoken by Friedrich Nietzsche. He said: “The key to harvesting the most enjoyment from life is to live dangerously. Build your cities on the slopes of Vesuvius! Send your ships into uncharted waters. Live at war!”

[Applause]

There's another quote that I would like to cite by Nietzsche. And this is my message to all of my white racial comrades that are gathered here this evening. It goes: “My brothers in war. I love you from the very heart. I am and always have been of your kind. So let me tell you the truth. I know the hatred and envy of your hearts, we are not great enough not to know hatred and envy. So be great enough not to be ashamed of them.”

As America, and the rest of the world plunges further and further towards total collapse and complete anarchy. As our race enters into the final hour of decision. When our fate will be decided. We must take a step back and criticize our approach to a solution. There is a plethora of organizations too numerous to cite, that have declared themselves able and willing to solve the problems that the white race is facing. Most of these are making a full time preoccupation by fighting the symptoms of white decay and corruption without attempting to analyze the situation in order to determine why we are in this dire predicament. In a chorus most individuals will answer "it's the Negroes. They're mixing with our kind and biologically destroying our gene pool." Yes, that is true. We are under attack on that front.

Hour 20

But that is not the problem. Others might respond, "The core of the problem rests with the Jews, one of the main proponents of race mixing, through the media; which they own and control.

[Applause]

Although the statement is partially true, it doesn't really get to the heart of the matter. You see my white racial comrades, the problem lies within us. Right down to the last man, it is our fault that we are in this potentially catastrophic situation.

It was we who bought a Middle Eastern religion had poisoned the future with a childish flight from reality. It was our kind who did not heed the warnings of Benjamin Franklin, Adolf Hitler, Henry Ford and others regarding our enemies. Decade afte- after decade, injustice after injustice, we have sheepishly tolerated their advances upon our rich racial and cultural heritage. For the most part, we have become a race of cowards. We have ourselves to blame. Like cattle we graze on diets and potato chips, hamburgers and beer. Our pastures are called living rooms or more appropriately dying rooms where we gaze at glowing electronic boxes, which provide our daily dose of Pavlovian programming.

[Applause]

Like cattle, we are being fattened up to be led to slaughter. But we choose not to see it that way. We are incredibly strong, if only we chose to use our strength, but we are too lazy to move. Sometimes we feel like grabbing the white race by the scruff of the neck and saying “Wake up goddamnit! You're sitting on a bloody timebomb! Now stand up and move!”

[Applause]

Just like we were living in the twilight zone. They sleep on. Obeying, whimpering, intoxicated and lazy, blissful in their ignorance and somewhat annoyed that we have disturbed them. You see, you cannot teach an animal to care about its own survival. You either recognize a threat and destroy it. Or you are destroyed. No one needs to teach the deer to flee when it crosses past with a- with a pack of hungry wolves. Instinctively knows to run without questioning its impulses. Can you imagine how pathetic it would appear? To see a zebra rolling around playfully on the ground while an angry tiger licked his chops in anticipation? The Bible prophesizes that the lion shall lay with the lamb in heaven, meaning that the two can cohabitate peacefully without attacking one another. But this is unnatural and it is an undesirable goal. We must feel the nature that is inside of us. We must-

[Applause]

We must bring out the wild and savage instincts of man. Reactionary mechanisms in the time when we were still barbarians. When the spoken word meant little when blood and steel ruled the earth. We must awaken the animals within side of us. We cannot reason with the herd. For there is no rational thought behind their behavior. We could present literally reams of statistics mountains of evidence, and they wouldn't care a bit. “Let us sleep! Sleep is good!” They chant in their barely audible tone and sleep they do.

[Applause]

The vast majority of the population are not interested in being saved from anything except their own convoluted fears of eternal damnation. And if it weren't for them that I was fighting, I would throw in the towel and let them pay the piper. They wanted it. So let them get it good and hard. But we are not struggling for them. In the words of a German philosopher, we are fighting for what we used to be what we ought to be now and what we shall be again!

[Applause]

We are hoping to usher in the brand new dawn of the glorious white superman. The future shall be a world, a whiter and brighter world that shall surpass all past civilizations in magnificence and beauty. Together, my white racial comrades, we shall conquer the world for our people.

What is necessary is a total worldwide revolution in values, an upheaval that just might throw this planet off its axis. The flames of revolution are starting to burn today, perhaps just as sacred candles giving light. But these tounges of fires shall culminate soon, setting the world ablaze. Men will never become passionate enough to throw themselves into the flames of such a revolution by chanting war cries of favorable trade balance and equal rights for whites.

[Laughter]

No, it was white men of courage. White men of strength. White men of fury and blazing anger, that conquered this world and it is the exact type of white man that shall win it back. [Roaring Applause] As Adolf Hitler said: “Terror can only be broken by a greater terror. It is the quality of our enemies, the human rats that they are, to be sneaky, deceitful, and to shroud their program of world domination in a cloak of lies.” Many white racialists choose to take a similar approach to disguise our values in order to trick the masses into agreeing with us. They argue against immigration that will, quote, “upset the ethnic balance of our nation and erode the common foundation of culture that we once shared.” And the culture conservatives who believe that we must, quote “stop foreign aid giveaways and think of our nation first.” These groups are trying to teach our ideology without really exposing it. But contrary to being left alone, they are persecuted every bit as much, still denounced as neo-nazi, racist and violent fascists.

It is a quality of the white man to be forceful, direct, uncompromising, determined, and resolute. It is not becoming of a white man to deny his values and beliefs and to attempt to blend with the human rats and pretend that we are really rats ourselves. I say to hell, with all of the sneaky half-hearted attempts at addressing the problems that we face. If we are to stand at the threshold of history, I think heroes and warriors of our people can let us hold our heads high in total, and open defiance of this insane and unholy world conspiracy that threatens to engulf all of humanity in tyrannical hold.

[Cheering, Applause]

I say, let us be what we are. We cannot shy away from what history has ordained as an inescapable necessity. We must remember that it is a long and arduous process of building an organization that can meet this system, cut off, and destroy it. Temporary, flashy political successes are relatively easy to attain. But it takes years of sweat and toil to build a real muscle on your body, instead of just putting pads in your jackets. Even though the majority of our people are cowards, glass jawed yuppies and wimps, I would estimate that roughly 1% of our people still have the guts and raw courage it takes to overwhelm the enemy. If I were to assume that my figure was correct, then that means there are approximately 2 million white men of the caliber that we need, residing right here in North America alone. There are another 3 million fighters in Europe, not to mention Australia, and South Africa, when all considered, form an international network of over 5 million white warriors aroused, organized and united, victory will be ours!

[Roaring applause]

Now it is our sacred trust, our duty to reach those men of character, to discipline and to train ourselves, how to raise the battle flag, that shall never be tore down. Even if we have to chase them across the four corners of the earth. Even if we must be attacked, hounded and brutalized. We shall not turn the other cheek. We shall not pretend to love our enemies.

[Applause]

And one thing, that we certainly will not do is scurry among the human rats and ask them for forgiveness for what we believe. No, we shall meet them on the battlefield of life and death. They shall feel our wrath, and with mighty and unrepentant hands, we shall claim back the land that our forefathers discovered, conquered, claimed, lived, and died for!

[Cheering, Applause]

Let them feel the strength of true white men! Let them once again fear our people as the defenders of righteousness and truth. Let them cringe at the coming of the racial holy war! On your feet, my brothers! White power!

[Chanting: “White Power”, Applause]

19:12:54 [Song: RaHoWa - Third Reich]

19:14:40 [Song: Unknown]

19:14:57 Pre-Record (masc): Yeah, hi, I've been getting some harassing emails from Shane Bumbee. I don't know how he got my email address. I don't want any more emails from him ever again. I'm on this email list of him and he's trying to send me something. I'm a writer. I don't think you guys want to get bad press for whatever labels you have whatever kind of band you're trying to push. But I really don't appreciate getting these emails from him. I want to be taken off the list if I don't get taken off the list. And I stop getting these harassing emails from him. I'm just gonna have to keep calling his phone number and just charging up the stupid fucking line. Whatever you guys are trying to sell. I don't want any more emails from him. Thanks a lot.

19:15:32 [Song: Unknown]

19:17:23 Pre-record (masc): My voice is your master. The world awaits you as my first citizen. You will obey all my commands. The sound of my voice is your master. You will obey all my commands. You will obey all my commands.I am your master. I am your master. You will live when I say live. And you will die when I say die. Obedience is the key to survival. Obedience the key to survival. I am your master. Obedience the key to survival. Obedience the key to survival. You will obey all of my commands. Obedience the key to survival. You will obey all of my commands. Obedience is the key to survival.

19:19:06 Pre-record (masc): “Jesús es tu amigo” Jesús [Spanish gibberish] I’m a spic, I love tacos on your pussy.

19:19:28 Pre-record (masc): Oh Jesus the phone’s ringing. Hello Jesus? How’re you doing? Hey Jesus. Thanks for calling from heaven, I want your poop. Can I have some? Thank you, send it to me right away. Thank you Jesus. Thank you, for your poopie. Thank you, for your poopie.

19:19:54 Pre-record (masc): Well, well, well, heya shake that twat hole. Whoa whoa whoa shake it. Move that bootay. Hello do you understand? And then they go around spitting out poop farts. I mean like no poop comes out just farts and that's them talking all the time about Jesus' poop. [gibberish]

19:20:53 Pre-record: [Robotic voice repeating: “You shall suffer”] (Masc 1 V/O:) I’ve absolutely no desire to start torturing myself. [Robotic voice repeating: “You shall suffer”] (Femme 1 V/O:) Do it now! [Robotic voice repeating: “You shall suffer”] (Femme 2 V/O:) Guy has a- guy has a map? (Femme 1 V/O:) Do it now! [Robotic voice repeating: “You shall suffer”] (Femme 1 V/O:) Do it now! [Robotic voice repeating: “You shall suffer”] (Femme 3 V/O:) How do ya like him Dad? And how do you like this? [Robotic voice repeating: “You shall suffer”] (Femme 4 V/O:) Look at this dressed up clown. (Femme 5 V/O:) This moment as shining and wonderful as the love in your eyes. [Robotic voice repeating: “You shall suffer”] (Child V/O:) I’ll build a fine house. Get myself a good life and settle down for the rest of my life. [Robotic voice repeating: “You shall suffer”] (Masc 2 V/O:) Shut your mouth boy.

19:23:43 [Song: Unknown]

19:26:04 Shane Bugbee: Oh hey, rock ‘n’ roll.

19:26:09 Amy Bugbee: So we're back

19:26:10 Shane Bugbee: I hope you like that that was that was... I don't need it. That was all for... oh yeah, I guess I do need it, Doug. I need it now, bitch.

19:26:17 Amy Bugbee: Give it to 'em. Give it to 'em and face the consequences.

19:26:20 Shane Bugbee: You're gonna face it. No, that those songs went out for the lovely personal Satan chat group. you know, I have no hate for you. Only love. It's about love not hate, brothers. As long as you buy Might is Right, that is okay. On sale evilmall.com 16.66 you get two for the price one tonight only. Doug has drawn some really beautiful art and a couple of the books, you should pick one up, leather bound 100 bucks. All the books will be signed and numbered. We're about to go on the air with Tommy Metzger. It's Tom Metzger, I believe- Well, we'll let him tell you his story. And I think I bet you the folks at Radio Free Satan would like to hear a disclaimer.

19:27:08 Amy Bugbee: Yes, cuz he's saying he'd like to make it perfectly clear he had nothing to do with this show. That's what Rich just said in his in the chat room.

19:27:19 Shane Bugbee: Oh, Rich. Is he in a diaper pooping? Poopy pants

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Alright, well, we'll be back.

19:27:45 Pre-record (fem): -topics expressed on this program may be objectionable to some people. The opinions expressed in this program are solely the opinions of the individuals who express them. They are not necessarily the opinions of any member of Radio Free Satan or Mephisto Media. Some of them are the opinions of people we don't even know, and some of them are the opinions of people that we just made up. If you're offended by something on this program, please just don't listen. If you're tempted by what you hear on this program to do something potentially dangerous or illegal, you are an idiot. And we refuse to be held responsible for your stupidity. In short-

19:28:27 Pre-record (masc): -People have stupid children. If you're stupid, please don't have sex. If you insist on having sex, then please have sex with animals. Preferably animals smarter than you are. That way if by some biological fluke, you and the animal actually have offspring, odds are the offspring will be less stupid than you are. One more thing. Don't assume the animal is protected. If the animal has a condom, or if female, some sort of intrauterine device insist they wear it. Please help stamp out this mindless mindlessness. Keep your stupidity to yourself. This message brought to you by the Council of concerned citizens who are smarter than you are.

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19:29:42 Pre-record (masc): Evilnow.com your home for hate. Evilnow.com your home for Satan. Evilnow.com we love to hate you.

19:30:05 Pre-record (fem): Some of the opinions and topics expressed on this program may be objectionable to some people. The opinions expressed in this program are solely the opinions of the individuals who express them. They are not necessarily the opinions of any member of Radio Free Satan or Mephisto Media. Some of them are the opinions of people we don't even know, and some of them are the opinions of people that we just made up. If you're offended by something on this program, please just don't listen. If you're tempted by what you hear on this program to do something potentially dangerous or illegal, you are an idiot. And we refuse to be held responsible for your stupidity. In short, don't try this at home or at all.

19:30:45 Pre-record (masc): It’s a fact. Stupid people have stupid children. If you're stupid, please don't have sex. If you insist on having sex, then please have sex with animals. Preferably animals smarter than you are. That way if by some biological fluke, you and the animal actually have offspring, odds are the offspring will be less stupid than you are. One more thing. Don't assume the animal is protected. If the animal has a condom, or if female, some sort of intrauterine device insist they wear it. Please help stamp out this mindless mindlessness. Keep your stupidity to yourself. This message brought to you by the Council of concerned citizens who are smarter than you are.

19:31:29 Pre-record (masc): Here at Beelzebub motors we’ll fix your car or truck up real nice with our professional eye for detail, and are committed to quality and service. But as soon as you’re pure outta sight we all go in the back of the shop and listen to that there Radio Free Satan. That way, we enjoy our favorite shows while you pay a heaping bushel for a tuneup. Wellp that’s Radio Free Satan. The station for real smart folk.

19:32:03 Pre-record (masc): Evilnow.com your home for hate. Evilnow.com your home for Satan. Evilnow.com we love to hate you.

19:32:26 Doug Misicko (pre-record): Natural selection and modern civilizations have ceased to exist. Today we live in a world overpopulated with bottom feeders. The pool is overfilled with the dregs. There is no inherent value on human life. The value is earned and most people are running a deficit. They're worse than worthless. They're counter-productive. What can be done? www.dysgenics.com.

Tom Metzger Interview

19:32:59 Shane Bugbee: Tommy Metzger answer that phone.

19:33:03 Amy Bugbee: Tommy are you ready?

19:33:05 Shane Bugbee: I's [sic] Ready.

19:33:05 Amy Bugbee: Alright.

19:33:06 Tom Metzger: Cool.

19:33:08 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, sounds good Tom.

19:33:10 Tom Metzger: Good.

19:33:11 Shane Bugbee: So How you doing today?

19:33:13 Tom Metzger: Everything's fine, but you know, I forgot about what the timing was for our interview. And we got the crew from the British Broadcasting Company in here. And they've been following me around for a few days. I got to do a big show over there in November, I guess on BBC.

19:33:32 Amy Bugbee: That's exciting.

19:33:33 Tom Metzger: Yeah!

19:33:35 Doug Misicko: Well, there's a book just came out...

19:33:37 Tom Metzger: ...got Louie Thoreau, here. The hottest guy in England.

19:33:40 Shane Bugbee: Who's that?

19:33:41 Tom Metzger: Louis Thoreau's show?

19:33:45 Shane Bugbee: And what are they doing with you?

19:33:47 Tom Metzger: Oh, they just follow me around and get me to say whatever they can get me to say. [Laughs]

19:33:55: Shane Bugbee: You know, the best thing I saw on your website was a thing where you say, What was that again? Say? Nothing?

19:34:02: Amy Bugbee: “I have nothing to say...”

19:34:04: Shane Bugbee: "I have nothing to say."

19:34:05 Tom Metzger: Oh, did you see the video clip?

19:34:07 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah, that was intense.

19:34:09 Tom Metzger: Oh, that's. Yeah, that was great. We love that. And we think it's good training material.

19:34:15 Shane Bugbee: Have you know, I'm in the room with my wife, Amy. And the gentleman who did some of the artwork for Might is Right. His name's Doug. He had a couple questions for you, Tom.

19:34:25 Tom Metzger: Okay, Annie and Doug.

19:34:28 Doug Misicko: How you doing?

19:34:29 Tom Metzger: Pretty good. How are you?

19:34:30 Doug Misicko: All right. So are you still head of the White Aryan Resistance?

19:34:33 Tom Metzger: That's me. I'm the director.

19:34:36 Shane Bugbee: Okay. What's your website? Tom?

19:34:38 Tom Metzger: resist.com

19:34:40 Shane Bugbee: You know, that's down, right?

19:34:42 Tom Metzger: Well, it was down. Yeah. And then it was up and it's down again. It looks like we're working on it.

19:34:48 Shane Bugbee: I hear ya, cool.

19:34:49 Tom Metzger: We got some people mad at us. You know, I didn't think anybody was mad at us.

19:34:53 Shane Bugbee: You?

19:34:56 Tom Metzger: [Laughs] That's a joke.

19:34:58 Doug Misicko: Alright, Tom. A book came out about a couple weeks ago called "A Hundred Little Hitlers", about a case that you were indirectly involved in. Where you were sued for supposedly inciting some skinheads to kill an Ethiopian. Have you read it? And what do you think of it?

19:35:12 Tom Metzger: Yeah, yeah, I read it. And that was Eleanor Langer. She spent about 10 years writing that book. And she's been here in Fallbrook, where I live, two or three times, and she's done a million interviews, and it's reasonably fair book. There are some errors, in it and exaggerations, but uh...

19:35:30 Doug Misicko: Like what?

19:35:32 Tom Metzger: Well, she said that I didn't chase the defendants around or I mean, these witnesses around enough like David Rosella and get their deposition. And she seems to forget, I was a working man, I didn't have the money to chase 'em around and Morris Dees was paying the main witness, 5-600 bucks a month. He took him on trips and fishing trips in the Gulf of Mexico. Offered him a part in a movie and then he paid him, got him a house to live in, got him a job and paid him off, all the time up until the Supreme Court refused to hear our case. So, he was hiding these witnesses, so I couldn't oppose them and I just didn't have the money or the expertise to chase him around the country. And I don't remember every little thing, mistake, because some of them are just little errors he made but then towards the end of the book, she says that Dees has access to my PO Box, which she knows better than that, because I took her to the PO Box and let her watch me open it up and take the money out and take- take the letters out and all that kind of stuff. So.

19:36:46 Doug Misicko: So you got along with her generally, the author?

19:36:49 Tom Metzger: Pardon me?

19:36:49 Doug Misicko: You got along with her. The author of the book.

19:36:51 Tom Metzger: Got along with her pretty well, she's Jewish, but she seemed to be pretty fair. Once in a while you run into one like that.

19:36:58 Doug Misicko: So not necessarily being Jewish is something you have against somebody, or is it?

19:37:04 Tom Metzger: Well I-uh I certainly would in a lot of ways, look at them carefully. But if they treated me right, and they were honest with me, then I'd give them respect.

19:37:15 Doug Misicko: So it's the Jewish belief you object to not the bloodline?

19:37:18 Tom Metzger: It's the mindset that many of them had. I mean, what we're dealing with is hybrids, when you talk about Jewry. You have you have aryan Jews, biologically aryan. You've got Chinese Jews, biologically Chinese. And you've got Black- like lots of Jews that are biologically Black, but they're Jewish. So that part of it I think is a mindset.

19:37:49 Doug Misicko: So you mean they're Zionists? They're, they're following a Zionist movement. They're part of an international cabal?

19:37:53 Tom Metzger: This cult has been around for a long time, you know, from the Middle East. And then, of course, a hybrid, mixed-race person who happens to be Jewish, is number one mixed race. Don't accept them anyhow. So I, I'm pretty much of the belief that a person is biologically white and obviously white and European to look at them, that they can, they can quit being Jewish. I mean, many people quit being Baptist and Catholics. So why couldn't they quit being Jewish?

19:38:27 Shane Bugbee: Right, but people of Jewish bloodline can also quit being Jewish.

19:38:29 Tom Metzger: I don't necessarily buy the Jewish bloodline idea. I know that gets me in trouble with some people. But I used to take that track. But I think that may be a mistake. I believe it's a cultural mindset thing. And though they may have lived in one area for a long time and adapted a certain blood connection, they can't be... They can't be really connected to a race. I mean, as a race. As a Jewish race. I think really, that's where there's been some mistakes made. I get in trouble with a lot of right wingers because they want to just push the Jewish race thing.

19:39:14 Doug Misicko: Well, they are a distinct phenotype. But...

19:39:17 Tom Metzger: Well, I know there's a lot of difference of opinion on this. And... but I have problems when I look at somebody who is obviously aryan, European physically, but they say they're Jewish. And I tend to say, well, you must be Jewish in mindset, because I don't think we could do a DNA and find a Jewish marker on you. I mean, you've seen these people, they look just as aryan as anybody else but yet they say they're Jews.

19:39:52 Doug Misicko: Well, I'm not sure how deeply even Hitler believed in the bloodline of Jewry thing, because it's now known that he Aryanized Jews for the German army.

19:40:03 Tom Metzger: I know there was probably 40,000 Jews that fought in the German army, in in World War Two, and probably more than that, in World War One. And so I believe they, if they'd stuck to the Nuremberg laws, things would have worked out. I think they should have deported the non-white Semitic, half breed or whatever type, racial type Jews, and then the Jews that assimilated into the European biological type that renounced Judaism and, and swore allegiance to the Reich should have been left alone. I see it now, after years of study.

19:40:51 Doug Misicko: So do you believe we should have racial laws? And if so what should they be?

19:40:55 Tom Metzger: Well, we, we believe in the 1/16 rule that you could have 1/16 of another racial person in your background blood. And you can still be accepted as white and I believe we now are very, it'd be very easy to breed back up, for a certain number of people because we have the drugs and we have all the technological ability to do that.

19:41:22 Doug Misicko: But what would being being considered white get you in, in your world, if you were in command?

19:41:30 Tom Metzger: Well, we believe in a white state. A.. you know, similar to what it once was. Europe was basically white within certain broad guidelines from your English to the north to our Italians in the south. And then these countries start letting non-white blood in, and then gradually they have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of non-whites in their country. So we must, since we are the minority, really the Europe, the Euro-white race is a smallest, less numerous race in the world. And we're... numbers are falling very fast. We need to establish a power among what I call pan-aryans around the world, and we should have our landmass and make sure that it's for us only.

19:42:24 Doug Misicko: But why really?

19:42:25 Tom Metzger: And beyond that, the other races are welcome to have their traditional homelands and we have no reason to bother them.

19:42:36 Doug Misicko: But why? Why... how would this make it a better world?

19:42:38 Tom Metzger: I believe that the white race, the aryan race, the Euro-American people are the foremost people in science and music, and all the things that really create what we call "Western culture". Western civilization. I believe, is the people who were the fathers of that idea, disappear from the earth. Then I believe that the Earth will sink back into a semi-barbarism much worse than it is today. That's why I like Might is Right. Because ultimately, white Europeans will return to their original path of natural selection and their ability to conquer and control their lands and decide what they want to do about their racial future. And it's gonna take a momentous struggle. And whites are going to have to cooperate all around the world. We can't have any more of this phony nationalism to split up white people. I mean, I, I don't want to kill any white Russians. I didn't want us to drop nuclear bombs on white Russians. I wanted them to be our, our partners, all the white nations. You can outlive an economic system, that's bad, but you cannot outlive genetic destruction. Once your race is gone, it's gone.

19:44:25 Amy Bugbee: So, as far as the non-whites, what would you have them do? Would you prefer them to be eliminated from the earth? Or just?

19:44:34 Tom Metzger: Uh, well I'm a strict, strictly a racial separatist. And I don't see any reason why that if we leave non-white people in their countries and the areas where they originated from, to feel to feel for themselves, I don't believe we should give them food production, I don't believe we should give them medical assistance. I believe they should stand on their own, and we should leave them alone. And if they can rise evolutionary wise to what is needed, then they will survive and be fruitful. But the only thing I could see if non-white nations began to spill over their borders and affect the environment severely that impacts white nations, then we would have to intercede, but other than that, I believe we should probably just leave them alone.

19:45:34 Amy Bugbee: So what do you think about what hap... like, what today's anniversary is? What do you think about that?

19:45:42 Tom Metzger: Well, I think that this is what you call unconventional warfare. I understand it, it has nothing to do with agreeing or not agreeing. I think once the Arabs saw that Bush had become president and certainly that's the most Jewish loving party now really in the country with with the fundamental Christians behind them. I think that the Arabs decided they didn't have any, any, any more opportunity to just dialogue, because they see the tremendous lopsided treatment we give to Israel and we always have so probably what they said screw it and, and said, well, let's pick out a couple of good targets, boys. And they said, "Well, you know, the World Trade Center and is the center of the New World Government trade? How symbolic could that be? That's the most symbolic thing as far as the money is concerned." Then they probably said, "Well, what's next?" ...and said, "Well, the Pentagon, which is the is the symbol of American capitalist, transnational corporation, military power. So that would be the second symbol." ...and so they use very unconventional warfare, to hit those targets. And so that's what they decided to do. And unconventional warfare works that way.

19:47:15 Doug Misicko: So you oppose the christian fundamentalist factions, but my understanding was that you were Catholic.

19:47:22 Tom Metzger: I once was Catholic, but I became an atheist about 1980. And I'm not involved in Christianity at all. In fact, I see Christianity as one of our worst problems. Because it's right now, it's led us to the brink of a nuclear war with these insane people in Washington, these fundamentalists that believe that there has to be a nuclear war, a big battle of Megiddo. And all that before Jesus can come back. And, and so I don't want somebody like that with a finger on the atomic buttons. And guys, the crazy like, Rumsfeld spent $10,000 to cover up a nude statue in the White House. I mean, these guys are insane.

19:48:15 Doug Misicko: That was Ashcroft, actually.

19:48:17 Tom Metzger: Ashcroft. Okay, they're both nuts.

19:48:21 Doug Misicko: I agree. What what caused this conversion in you?

19:48:24 Tom Metzger: Well, I, I studied, I used to think all the answer to my problems was somewhere to be found in religion. And I studied and studied and studied, and of course, I spent the first 40 years of my life as a Christian. And finally, in about 1980, I sat down and had one of these... I don't know what you'd call it, but it came to me, I'm sitting in my office and I said, "Hey, you know, the problem is not something that religion can solve. Religion is the problem." So at that point, I had started reading Thomas Paine about religion. I'd read a lot of others who were against religion and then I started going deeply into studies of religion that prove that there wasn't even.... there was no Jesus. And all the miracles of the Old Testament were bullshit. And in fact now, even the Jews in their paper Haaretz out of Israel has said the same thing. And so that that was that was my conversion.

19:49:40 Shane Bugbee: So Tom did that- did your conversion have anything to do with your reprinting of Might is Right?

19:49:45 Tom Metzger: Yes, it did. Because Might is Right went right along with... I started reading a lot of Jack London again, and I discovered how racial Jack London was and how "Might is Right" Jack London was. And so I visited his ranch and studied a lot about his background. Read what he had to say.

19:50:07 Shane Bugbee: Isn't that wolf house beautiful?

19:50:08 Tom Metzger: Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

19:50:10 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, that's an amazing spot.

19:50:12 Tom Metzger: Sure is. So that's, so I developed or refound the idea of Might is Right and survival of the fittest, and I dumped a lot of stuff that was on my back that was meaningless. In fact, it was deteriorating, and to your, to your nature and your philosophy.

19:50:37 Shane Bugbee: Did you happen to see the LaVey introduction that he did for me, regarding Jack London?

19:50:44 Tom Metzger: You know, I think I did read that one time, but I don't remember exactly what was said.

19:50:48 Shane Bugbee: How do you feel about that? He basically said he he believes that Jack London may have been the author of Might is Right.

19:50:56 Tom Metzger: Well, there's been a lot of people who said that, and I certainly don't know. And I hope it's true because I have this great respect for Jack London. But we've sold a lot of these books like “Iron Heel” and stuff like that.

19:51:14 Shane Bugbee: And those are Jack London books?

19:51:15 Tom Metzger: Yes. And so in fact, a friend of mine did a college doctorate on the study of Jack London. We sell that little, too. But I don't know whether that's true or not. Nobody seems to be sure.

19:51:31 Shane Bugbee: Did you read what Katja Lane had written in the book? She did the editor's note.

19:51:37 Tom Metzger: Well, she can write it, but I don't think anybody can prove it.

19:51:41 Shane Bugbee: Sure. I just wondered if you had read it.

19:51:44 Tom Metzger: You mean LaVey's statement?

19:51:46 Shane Bugbee: Well, no, the Might is Right edition I'd put out. I put out the one. LaVey wrote the introduction. Katja Lane wrote an editor's note in the back and George Eric Hawthorn, or George Burdi, as he's known today, wrote the afterword. And I'm wondering if you...

19:52:01 Tom Metzger: All I can say is I read the, the actual Might is Right religiously, almost like a Bible. And every few days, I read some of it. But I didn't pay too much attention to the forwards and so forth. So if I did, I don't remember all of what was said.

19:52:22 Shane Bugbee: Well, I'm sorry. I was...

19:52:24 Tom Metzger: I don't want to.. I hope I don't offend you. But that's alright, if I did read it I don't quite remember all it was said.

19:52:32 Shane Bugbee: You didn't offend me. I was just wondering, I guess basically, um, you know, what do you think I'm going to be talking to George Burdi, right after you. And I'm wondering, what do you think about that whole drama that happened with everything?

19:52:44 Tom Metzger: Well, George Burdi is plain and simple a traitor to his race. And if he had decided to leave the struggle, and let leave it honorably, I'd have no problem with him at all. But when anyone leaves this struggle, and becomes the enemy of the struggle, then they are the enemy. And so George Burdi, what he's done after he was great while he was going, in fact, when I was in jail in Toronto, he was out there, picketing for me and so forth like that, and that was great. But he decided to change sides, and now he's gonna have to lay in the bed he's made. I mean, I have no use for him, if that's what you mean.

19:53:30 Shane Bugbee: Oh, no, that's not what I mean. I'm just wondering what your opinion is on him.

19:53:34 Tom Metzger: Well, he's a rat. That plain enough?

19:53:37 Shane Bugbee: [Laughs] Yeah, that's perfect. That's perfect. I mean, I don't know. You know, I was, I was a shocker to me, especially having put a lot of stock in him as far as I'm writing the afterword to the book.

19:53:49 Tom Metzger: Sure.

19:53:50 Shane Bugbee: And then, you know, I, you know... sort of... [laughs]

19:53:53 Tom Metzger: Well, that's not a that's not unusual in any struggle. You have people who betray the struggle and the left have it, the race mixers have it. You know, everybody's got those problems. If you have a movement, there's always gonna be people that fall by the wayside. I think the his problem was, he didn't think he could take that jail time. Jail time is not that bad, and jail time in Canada is easy. I did five days and so did my son in Toronto and hell, they give you a tea and crumpets up there and treat you like white men and their jail.

19:54:29 Amy Bugbee: Better than home probably.

19:54:30 Tom Metzger: Down here. They treat you like crap. You know?

19:54:34 Doug Misicko: You've got one, you got to be one of the most controversial characters alive today in the United States. What does this do for your lifestyle? What kind of precautions do you take? I imagine you get death threats.

19:54:44 Tom Metzger: Well, you'd be surprised. I don't have a compound. I don't have attack dogs all over the place. And I don't have a bunch of guns in an armory. I walk around town. I know a lot of people. I've lived here 35 years, I talked to lot of people, a lot of'em are my friends, the ones that are not my friends have never seen fit to do anything about it. And so actually, my life is pretty easy. I think people think that because you're out in the open and say exactly what you think that you're going to be immediately shot or something. Well, I've had people try to shoot me, before, years ago. And I've had I'm trying to firebomb my house. And I've and I've had them try to do a lot of things. But in the last 10 years, I've had hardly any, had none really attacks. And I've been more radical in the last 10 years, than I was before. So I think a lot of people are told that "oh my goodness, the whole roofs gonna fall in if you're radical." I think you have to use co mon sense and be reasonable and be pleasant as possible to people. I don't think you should go around with a chip on your shoulder, looking for a fight. Some people, no matter what they're thinking, they're going to get into trouble because they don't know when to keep their mouth shut.

19:56:02 Doug Misicko: So if I started calling you a cocksucker, I wouldn't necessarily get my head stomped in by white laced boots the next day.

19:56:09 Tom Metzger: I think if you call me that to my face, you might have a little problem. [laughter] Nobody's done that for a long time that I can remember. And I think last one I did was Herb Rubin and he's dead.

19:56:26 Doug Misicko: [laughter]

19:56:26 Shane Bugbee: Damn you take care of business, Tommy.

19:56:29 Tom Metzger: Well, he committed suicide. I guess he couldn't handle it.

19:56:33 Doug Misicko: Couldn't handle the guilt?

19:56:34 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I guess not. He took a dive off the second tier of LA, at the Federal jail. Some of my friends have told me he had a little assistance, but I don't know for a fact.

19:56:45 Shane Bugbee: You've got a lot of supporters, huh?

19:56:46 Tom Metzger: I think so. We operate a voluntary association and we call a lot of our people, "lone wolves". They don't go to meetings, they don't... They don't blab about who they are and what they think and all that kind of stuff. They're just sort of blended into society. And they're out there. And we've got, I'm sure we have a lot of em, even though at any particular moment, it's not very easy to count noses. And we have recommended people, young people get careers and, you know, military and the police and finance and go to college and and dig in and be our spy on the inside. And we say your going to be very important in the future as things heat up in this country.

19:56:46 Shane Bugbee: You see, I thought that's what George Bertie was doing. He's the spy on the inside.

19:57:40 Tom Metzger: Well, there have been guys who've played that double game and, and that's good. And, and if he was okay, playing, if he is playing that game, and I call him a rat, they're gonna love him even more. But I don't I sort of don't think that that's the deal with George.

19:57:59 Shane Bugbee: Tom, later on tonight, I'm gonna have the high priest of the Church of Satan on and I'm gonna bet he's gonna make a comment about you maybe. So I'm wondering if you had any comments for him or his group or anything like that.

19:58:12 Tom Metzger: To be perfectly honest. Since I don't believe in Jesus or God, I have trouble believing in Satan too. Because it's sort of a Christian creation is Satan thing is scared kids all and all this kind of stuff. I believe in this idea of that we should worship the earth and and we should love nature and all that and that's pretty much into Might is Right.

19:58:17 Shane Bugbee: Have you read the Satanic Bible?

19:58:26 Tom Metzger: I believe I have. But it's been so long that I don't remember much of it. Maybe I'll read it again.

19:58:47 Shane Bugbee: A good chunk of that is Might is Right.

19:58:50 Tom Metzger: Well, see, I take things what I can get out of them, you know, and if that part of the book is Might is Right I'll say, "hey, that's right on".

19:58:58 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. Satanists. They don't run around worshiping Satan.

19:59:01 Tom Metzger: Well, that's good because...

19:59:03 Shane Bugbee: They just believe in themselves that's about it.

19:59:04 Tom Metzger: ...all that was (said?) and the fear of darkness and all that the Ying and the Yang and stuff and the Christians have used Satan to really milk the situation and I really couldn't be into the Satan thing because I you know, that's really the Christians have pretty much promoted and push Satan to scare people. And I don't I just don't believe in "spooks in the sky" as Ben Klassen used to say.

19:59:20 Amy Bugbee: I agree. I think a lot of what Christian... Christianity is the one who's created this devil worship. You know, If you read the Satanic Bible, it's really more about humanism. Just exactly, I mean, parts of it are word for word out of Might is Right. Anton LaVey never believed in the devil or anything just in the power of his own mind and nature and you know, taking care of animals and people that are good.

Hour 21

Tom Metzger Interview (cont.)

20:00:00 Tom Metzger: I never met LaVey but I met his daughter. She'd been a guest in my home before.

20:00:05 Shane Bugbee: I'm sorry to hear that.

20:00:06 Amy Bugbee: Which one?

20:00:08 Tom Metzger: What see what do you remember their first name?

20:00:12 Shane Bugbee: Either either one of them they're.. they're dogs. They're traitors too.

20:00:15 Tom Metzger: Well, she was going with Schreck, um Nikolas Schreck.

20:00:19 Shane Bugbee: You want to talk about traitors ,that you're talking about a whole crew of traitors you had sitting on your couch.

20:00:22 Tom Metzger: I heard all about that later, and I didn't have... This was early on, when people didn't know all that stuff. They hadn't done all this betraying.

20:00:29 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, there's their lowest of the low, man.

20:00:31 Tom Metzger: This is way back, way back. And they came down to see me and I had Nikolas Schreck on the TV show. But then, of course, later, I found out he was Jewish. And that was an interesting.

20:00:42 Shane Bugbee: Isn't that funny? He's a real funny, guy. They should have clown makeup on that guy.

20:00:46 Tom Metzger: Yeah, so anyhow, no, I obviously I heard later about their treasonous stuff. And...

20:00:55 Doug Misicko: You're getting it you're getting it confused. You're getting Church and Satan confused with hacks like Nikolas Schreck when you're talking about devil worship. They're the idiots who take up what, what the Christians created and run around worshiping a horned guy with a tail and everything else.

20:01:11 Tom Metzger: How you guys feel about the CotC

20:01:15 Shane Bugbee: What's that?

20:01:16 Tom Metzger: Church of the Creator

20:01:18 Shane Bugbee: How do I feel about it?

20:01:19 Tom Metzger: I mean, the white man's Bible like that.

20:01:21 Shane Bugbee: How do I feel about it?

20:01:22 Tom Metzger: Yeah.

20:01:23 Shane Bugbee: I feel like I don't want to say anything because I might get beat up. [laughter]

20:01:27 Tom Metzger: Well, I don't... You shouldn't have to feel beat up for free speech. I mean...

20:01:32 Shane Bugbee: I'm just teasing Tommy, I, I have... I think it's a silly thing, myself.

20:01:38 Tom Metzger: You do?

20:01:38 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

20:01:39 Tom Metzger: Well, why I don't understand it's racial. And it's...

20:01:42 Shane Bugbee: Isn't based with Christianity?

20:01:45 Tom Metzger: No, no, it's not Christian at all. The CotC is totally anti-christian. The Church of the Creator, if you read white man's Bible, there's nothing pro-Christian in that book.

20:01:57 Shane Bugbee: Well, I was under the impression that it was a Christian...

20:02:00 Tom Metzger: Oh, no, no, no, no Ben Klassen was totally...

20:02:02 Shane Bugbee: Am I thinking of a different white white supremacist group? That based...

20:02:07 Amy Bugbee: The KKK?

20:02:07 Shane Bugbee: Na, the Christian...na, man.

20:02:10 Tom Metzger: Well, I don't know which one you're thinking about. But the Church of the Creator was totally anti-christian. And it's similar to Might is Right what they wrote, you know?

20:02:23 Doug Misicko: Well, I tend to feel that racialism can be too general, at times. I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction. But on racial grounds, I really don't see it because you got to admit you meet some Black people are smarter than a lot of white people you met and vice versa. And all the rest. And if through the top notch, were the ones breeding, carrying on, that would be the best way to go.

20:02:54 Tom Metzger: Yeah, there are gray areas, there's overlap. But on the other hand, I'm, you see, you might see a white crow sometime too. But most crows are black. [laughter] I mean, if you judge the Black race by it, by its whole, you got you must come up with the idea that the def- definitely an inferior race.

20:03:13 Doug Misicko: Well, if that was being the case...

20:03:15 Tom Metzger: You're saying that there's mixed race, Blacks- mulattos that are sharp and smart. Once in a while there's a jet black Negro, that's very smart. Sure there is. And there's a lot of stupid whites.

20:03:26 Doug Misicko: But that being the case, you still wouldn't have to enact racial laws, you just have to enact intelligence laws. And if that was being the case, then that good segment of the population would have to drop off, you could still do it on an equal level around the board.

20:03:41 Tom Metzger: Well, we'll leave you the project of raising the IQ of the Black race till about 140. And I'll be standing by when you're successful.

20:03:51 Amy Bugbee: It's going to be quite a task. I think.

20:03:54 Tom Metzger: That's gonna keep you busy for a long time.

20:03:56 Doug Misicko: I don't think the average white IQ is anywhere near 140.

20:04:01 Tom Metzger: That's true, but on the par, they're higher than Blacks by probably 20 points. Most of the Third Reich, people, including Hitler, they were all above 120. And most of them are about 140.

20:04:18 Doug Misicko: They actually took IQ tests?

20:04:20 Tom Metzger: Yes, they did while they were in Nuremberg prison, awaiting trial. And the lowest IQ in the whole bunch was Julius Streicher. And he was 120. So I think if you do a, you know, an IQ test in Europe, among the educated whites, and then try to compare it to Blacks going to any university in the world, you're going to see a difference. Already, they've already done that to where they have upscale Blacks going to these schools down in Maryland. And they were doing worse than a white kid is doing an Appalachia. So no, don't ever forget race is a very important thing.

20:05:01 Amy Bugbee: Absolutely, I know my sister always says how Blacks have only been civilized for a few 100 years so, they're never going to catch up. You know, my, I'm never gonna be older than my older sister. So...

20:05:15 Tom Metzger: I've heard that. Some estimates are that they are supposedly around 250,000 years behind, as a race. And of course, I'm not convinced we even come from the same source. I have, I have a very hard time believing that.

20:05:34 Amy Bugbee: I agree with you. I think that there's different species of humans or human related beings. I don't think that we're necessarily the same species as Blacks or Asians, you know, or any number of other races.

20:05:52 Tom Metzger: If you'll read the works of Carlton Kuhn, he pretty much brings forth the idea of separate development of the races in different areas of the world. Not all in Africa. We may have come from another planet for all I know,

20:06:10 Amy Bugbee: I'm with you there.

20:06:13 Tom Metzger: The book about the pyramids and the... Oh, what's that neb-, star bunch out there, I forget the name of it. But anyhow, that lines up with the pyramids as- as a geometric thing and all this kind of stuff. That's quite interesting. They've talked about it on television documentaries or books out on it and so forth. So, you know, but you don't talk about it too much because everybody started saying you're nuts, you know.

20:06:45 Amy Bugbee: Exactly.

20:06:47 Shane Bugbee: One more question, Tom, Amy's got for you.

20:06:49 Amy Bugbee: In the Radio Free Satan chat room, someone had said that by profession, you're a TV repair man?

20:06:57 Tom Metzger: Yeah, I ran a small business here in Fallbrook, California for 30 years or so. It's a small business selling television and satellite equipment and TV repair and so forth like that. Before that I worked for Douglas Aircraft in Santa Monica. I worked on the space shots, a second stage of a moon shot and a lot of stuff like that. And the military, I was involved in a lot of pretty technical electronics things in United States and Europe. So I've had quite a background in electronics.

20:07:31 Amy Bugbee: Well, I have started my own religion, at some point, the TV ministry and we believe that TV is the modern deity, because everyone worships TV no matter how rich or poor. Almost everyone on Earth has a television.

20:07:48 Tom Metzger: Yeah, well, that television if they ever dig up this civilization, they're gonna think that TV was the religious icon.

20:07:55 Amy Bugbee: Absolutely. We adorn it...

20:07:57 Tom Metzger: In every room. Even in cars and toilets.

20:08:00 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. It's like a shrine. It's the modern shrine. Yeah, I guess based on my own religion. You being a TV repairman would make you like the Pope.

20:08:12 Tom Metzger: Well, so... Well, either that I'm in the group that keeps it going.

20:08:16 Shane Bugbee: Cardnal.

20:08:17 Tom Metzger: We got to keep the shrine lit up.

20:08:19 Shane Bugbee: You're at least a Cardnal.

20:08:22 Amy Bugbee: Thank you.

20:08:23 Shane Bugbee: Hey, Tommy.

20:08:24 Tom Metzger: Okay.

20:08:25 Shane Bugbee: We got to... resist.com right?

20:08:27 Tom Metzger: Yeah, resist.com and if it's not there tonight, it'll be back up there pretty quick. We had some pretty bad hits by hackers last week and it went down, but we're getting it back up. We'll be back up there, so it's good talking to you guys.

20:08:41 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, man you sell and you sell Might is Right there, right?

20:08:43 Tom Metzger: Yeah, I do.

20:08:44 Shane Bugbee: Good. I'm hoping to trade a copy of... I got the leather bound here, I'd like to trade you a copy for that spiral bound.

20:08:50 Tom Metzger: You know what I may do one of these days sit down I've been I've thought about it for a long time to write a foreword myself to this, Might is Right.

20:08:59 Shane Bugbee: You should, man.

20:09:00 Tom Metzger: ...but right now, this is simply a the coil type publication where you can lay it out flat and read it. That's what I like.

20:09:10 Shane Bugbee: I like his idea, he doesn't like the paperbacks he puts his books in a coil.

20:09:13 Tom Metzger: And I just put the main...

20:09:15 Shane Bugbee: ...so you can read 'em.

20:09:16 Tom Metzger: ...in there. I don't copy anything that's been copyrighted, that other people have put in.

20:09:21 Doug Misicko: I'll personalize you a copy, Tom. Thank you very much for talking with us.

20:09:25 Tom Metzger: I appreciate it. You take care of now.

20:09:27 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, take it easy, man.

20:09:28 Amy Bugbee: Thank you.

20:09:28 Tom Metzger: Thank you.

20:09:30 Amy Bugbee: Bye.

20:09:30 Tom Metzger: Bye.

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George Burdi Interview

20:17:11 Shane Bugbee: Okay, a couple problems there, and we fixed them I think. Amy How are you?

20:17:18 Amy Bugbee: I'm good. Hopefully, we're broadcasting again.

20:17:21 Shane Bugbee: We have a guest. George. Are you there?

20:17:25 George Burdi: I am Shane, how you doing?

20:17:27 Shane Bugbee: Good, George Burdi. Hey, it's been a long time.

20:17:32 George Burdi: Been several years.

20:17:35 Shane Bugbee: Oh yeah. So George such a shocking change. What happened?

20:17:43 George Burdi: Well I mean, I think the most important thing to start from to answer that question is to get your perception of what- what a change is. Because I mean, there's a lot of people that- that will assume that everything I've ever thought in my entire life that I just threw it overboard. My story to just quickly, you know, cover it for those who don't know anything about me. You know, I was- I was the lead singer of the band RaHoWa. Some of you may have been listening earlier when you heard some of my speeches that I'd given back in the days when I was a supporter of the white power movement and quite active as a white separatist activist. And what ended up happening was 1997. I- after a long string of experiences that really frustrated me with the movement, I used a brief stint in jail of four months, which was a breeze like Tom Metzger described was it was nothing the jail was like a bre- It was a holiday for me compared to what I was living like on the outside. And- but I use that as a good kind of springboard to get out of the movement and kind of move on with my life because I was just at a stage of total burnout and just really fed up with what I view is a lot of foolishness by- by people I was calling comrade so. At the end of it, I just- just got tired of it I wanted just to depend on myself.

20:18:52 Shane Bugbee: You asked me, George in the beginning what I consider a change, and you were in jail for four months for charging and bootin’ some girl that was protesting against you right?

20:19:04 George Burdi: I was in jail for- for four months for abetting that offense. Yes. They said that words I'd spoken on in moments earlier had riled my group up. And then I was the first person running across the street and therefore I was like precariously responsible for what somebody else did.

20:19:23 Shane Bugbee: Do you feel sorry for what happened?

20:19:26 George Burdi: Sorry, what happened to the girl?

20:19:28 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

20:19:29 George Burdi: Yeah, you know, I do I feel- so I feel sorry for all the all the people that got hurt that night, people on both sides, you know, a whole lot of nonsense actually going on.

[Shane Bugbee talking at the same time: but you don’t feel responsible?]

People- people's attitudes, getting completely out of hand, I saw somebody take a- take a big rock in the face. And that didn't look too healthy. I mean, the whole situation was a mess. It was complete chaos. I mean, our entire- everybody that attended our concert, when we got back to the venue, afterwards, found like all our tires slashed, windshields smashed in. We were the victims ourselves of- of the terrorism of the left 6-700 people showing up sometimes to protest our shows. So I mean, in the context of everything that happened that night, you know, the whole thing was that it was a complete, chaotic disaster. And, you know, I paid heavily for it for years to come, in many ways. So.

20:20:25 Shane Bugbee: So. Boy, you were I think, you know, you- you are a very different person no? Now? Are you not? Do you still believe in the philosophy of Might is Right?

20:20:38 George Burdi: Well, I mean, I see the philosophy as having it's- having its place at a stage in my life, and therefore wouldn't- wouldn't want to deny that privilege to another person. I mean, I think that some people can benefit greatly from reading the book, and has a lot of ideas that can act as a sort of a catalyst to, you know, free off- free the individual from a lot of the dogmas of our society, that that I think can can have the effect of holding people back. So there's a lot of good that can be extracted from the book, and I can still see that now.

20:21:13 Shane Bugbee: Have the guys in your band heard any of your old stuff, like the first RaHoWa album?

20:21:19 George Burdi: [Laughs] No, I’ve not really played the first album to them. And we really don't talk about the subject a lot. Like, you know, people really imagine us as kind of like a politicized band, because, you know, being that the band is multiracial. And, and I have this past that they imagine that right away that we must sit around talking about race, but you know what the truth is, and anybody that knows people from different races can can attest to this fact that once you know somebody a while you stop looking at them as their race, I mean, if they're a friend, and you liked them, and they're a good person, you share a lot of common interests, and you share ways of looking at life, you know, you just start seeing them as an individual. And it's real- really refreshing for me, instead of having to always force all of my friendships that I had, and all the musicians I worked with, had to first and foremost be into the mindset of white power in the past. And so, you know, I was selecting people based upon their biological characteristics rather than what they had as individuals and what type of character they had. So when I finally- when I got out of the movement and left those, I threw those ideas off behind like a snake that shed its skin, I felt like suddenly, I could now select my company based on their merit as individuals. And that, to me felt a lot more true.

20:22:46 Doug Misicko: So basically, you made some multicultural friends, and that's what...

20:22:34 George Burdi: Yes, but it's not about being multicultural, like, I don't sit around and now and think about how I can enrich my life by learning about other places or, you know, I mean, I want to learn about other- I want to learn about other places for other reasons, not because I think there's something wrong with my whiteness or something wrong with my own identity, because, you know, I still enjoy and appreciate, you know, learning about- about our, you know, our Celtic ancestors or our Norse ancestors. And I still appreciate those aspects of my European background. It's just that I just don't need to stop there. I think that the human experience requires us to really try to learn as much as we can from as many perspectives as we can. And I'm not afraid of ideas I don't need to like defend my own- my own ideology from- from all possible individuals that dis- that could disagree with me. I mean, I don't care if somebody doesn't, you know, view things my way. That's okay. I'm flexible now. I don't have the- this rigidity that required things to always be one or- that's the beginning of fanaticism.

20:23:56 Amy Bugbee: When we met you some years ago in Canada, George, you seemed really certain in what you were doing. I'm wondering, what was the straw that broke the camel's back? What was it that made you walk away from that life?

20:24:12 Doug Misicko: Interracial sex in prison.

20:24:13 George Burdi: Were you at the concert in London, Ontario. Was that the show, you came to?

20:24:17 Shane Bugbee: Yeah the one where the cops stormed in the building

20:24:19 George Burdi: Was that the show where my girlfriend got attacked?

20:24:21 Shane Bugbee: Yeah.

20:24:21 George Burdi: Okay, need you- you need to ask any more questions about that Amy?

20:24:25 Shane Bugbee: Hey dude, I was shitfaced at that concert.

20:24:28 George Burdi: Those people that don't- don't you- didn't you feel a vibe from them that was just completely negative and destructive, that nothing good could be built out of that type of negativity?

20:24:36 Shane Bugbee: I was more afraid that concert than I was sometimes going through the ghettos of Chicago man.

20:24:41 George Burdi: You know listen, those guys, they- some have had tough lives. You know and I don't- I don't want to view them as enemies, I don't want to try to alienate them. I mean, they can have their own attitudes and opinions about who I am. And they're entitled to think what they want. But, you know, I- I don't want to run around and try to like, you know- I don't want to slam these guys, because I used to walk in their shoes. And I can't take the attitude like... you know, it's wrong now, because I'm at a different stage in my life, and I'm going to point the finger at somebody else. I mean, everyone's entitled to view what they want to- view the life the way they want to, I just, myself wanted to- wanted to break free from- from a movement that was like this- this blood and soil fanaticism, that was like- ultimately was like a rejection of the values that are very important to me of personality and freedom. Instead, I was like, bound to my tribe, and in the future, and destiny of my tribe, was my future, my destiny. Well, you know, I don't need to live inside biological confines of identity. My- my spirit can live much in much bigger places than in the flesh, and there's a much greater world beyond the world of what we see. And when we stop contaminating our MindScape continuously with ideology, and allow our mind to have some emptiness and some freedom, some peace in that calmness, you've come to perceive things that liberate you, from... those old attitudes and liberate you from ignorance.

20:26:21 Amy Bugbee: Well, I guess I kind of saw you, as a reformer of the white power movement. And I, I just wondered, was that concert part of what made you change your mind about, I guess, the ability to reform the movement or to put more...

20:26:39 George Burdi: I felt like- I felt like it was a nonstop string of disappointments and frustrations. I mean, you know, you saw me play at that show, the part you don't see is when- is when the hall was being booked, and it was myself, trying to work on booking it. When insurance has to be planned or stage crews have to be planned. And I had to do that, too. When I had to unload the truck, when I had to set the show- you know, the all the gear up with everybody, with with the crew I’m the only other guy chipping in and then at the end of it all, you know, you get disrespected, you get- you get, you know, because what do you expect from a group that is that is fundamentally hate oriented? And- and- and- and you know, for all of the other components of the white power movement, because there are components that are not about hate, but hate is contaminated it. And what do you- what else could I expect from such a collection of people and, and it's not just that concert Amy, but it's just like a non stop stream of things like that, that happened that, you know, you continuously endured when you were in the movement and, and there's a lot of good people in that movement, who- who see the stuff that that's, that's done, and they have to look at each other, and they kind of shrug their shoulders, kind of like, you know, kind of like a black with some- some class and character would shrug his shoulders looking at some of the ghetto blacks and the way they behave. There's like this attitude that like, you know, skinheads can behave a certain way. And well, what do you expect they’re skinheads that's the kind of attitude inside the movement, it's like this- this kind of blind, you know, apologizing for the behavior of people that when the whole ideology is built around the apparent nobility of the race, and then the behavior so so ignoble.

20:28:24 Amy Bugbee: I guess, I can understand that it- I know Shane, and I have done events where it's the two of us doing everything too it's the, you know, the little red hen syndrome. Everybody wants to enjoy the spoils of what you're doing, but nobody wants to put in the time. I think it goes beyond you know, any race to just- laziness in society today, especially in America.

20:28:33 George Burdi: Right if anybody in the movement should see is that clearly- clearly, appealing to the population at large the population of white people across America, are trying to appeal to those people with an ideology, trying to teach them an idea saying here: “buy into this idea. And then the world is going to be different.” is never the way it's worked in history. It's not about trying to sell people ideas. History has its own ebb and flow. Things happen spontaneously. They don't need to be forced, when- when- when- when the world is ready for something, it happens on its own. There's no- there's no effort barely required. It kind of has like its own momentum.

20:29:36 Doug Misicko: Now, granted, I-

20:29:38 George Burdi: anybody caught up in a revolution will tell you that it's like stuff happens so fast. It's like events just propel themselves forward. And we're more just like passive participants in them

20:29:49 Doug Misicko: I never met you and I don't disagree with anything you're saying. But nothing's really more pathetic to me than an "ex" group identifier. And I'm not saying that's what you are, I hope it's what you aren't, I hope you don't go around saying that you're this ex-white supremacist, and do speeches and...

20:30:30 George Burdi: I don’t- I don't give speeches. I don't go do touring speeches, I- ya know, I've done a couple of private engagements, to people who I believe are very forward thinking in their attitudes, they're not, you know, out to, to promote the same sort of ignorance that the movement was promoting, but just do it with a different- with a different stripe, you know, because there's a lot of people, the anti racist movements out there that are that are just as messed up as the people they- you know, trying to fight. You know, ignorance comes in all forms. And, you know, you guys are probably quite familiar with aspects of the Satanist movement being, you know, idiotic, and other aspects being more inspiring to you. But, you know, for whatever motivates an individual. My attitude now is that I don't want to define myself by you know, being somebody that- that has had this past. And that therefore, my- my present is defined by my past, and I'm just reliving my past all the time, and always talking about what I used to think and what I used to do, and you know, I have a very real life, that's- that's happening now, to me as a 33 year old. Doesn't, have- it’s not in the spotlight, that's like a normal person's life, where we're maturing, and I'm learning more about life and- and I know, I've got a lot to learn still to totally understand my life. And to totally understand what life is all about. And as we all do, but, you know, I don't regret anything that I've done. You know, my life is what it is. There's no point in regrets because I can't change the past. I say- I said, things I think are foolish when I when I look back now, and hear some of the things I said. But there's other things I said, where I understand why I was upset. And, you know, I don't look at the world through rose colored glasses nowadays, you know, I still see things that are wrong with the world. I just recognize that, you know, over time, I've seen more shades of gray. And as a result, I you know, I feel just that I'm being honest with people to just say, you know, this is what I think and this is, this is what I used to think and you know, some people obviously are going to feel let down some people that used to- used to call me comrade and obviously feel disappointed, you know, and did feel disappointed, maybe when they first heard about me having left the movement. But I mean, the ultimate truth is for me that I just had to say what I felt, and I just could no longer agree with it.

20:32:34 Doug Misicko: So you still respect your development?

20:32:38 George Burdi: What's that?

20:32:39 Doug Misicko: You still respect where you came from?

20:32:40 George Burdi: I respect yes, I respect my roots. And I- and I understand them too. You know, I'm not- I'm not harsh. When I judge it. Like, let's face it. And this is what I say to people today, where I live in a city of Toronto here where, you know, the population was 90%, white when I was growing up, and it's now- now like 55% non-white. How can we have a change occur? That's that dramatic and not have some people get a little freaked out?

20:33:08 Amy Bugbee: True enough...

20:33:10 George Burdi: You know, do we expect everybody just to accept it without an argument? It- is not part of the democratic process for people to have the ability and the right to say what they feel about that happening? People are entitled to do that. And but I got caught up in a whole bunch of other issues and a whole bunch of other currents that were already strong before I was even born. And those are the issues of World War II and, you know, 1987/1988 when I was getting involved in becoming a skinhead and whatnot. You know, I mean, back in those days was- we was [sic] just the aftermath of World War 2.

20:33:54 Doug Misicko: So what about Judaism is an insidious sinister international cabal?

20:34:00 George Burdi: Okay, well, you know- we- you know, the movement talks about that as if there's like one- only one type of Jew. You know, there's there's Jews who aren't who are not. who, you know, don't agree in things that other Jews do. There's- there's left wing Jews, there's right wing Jews, there's atheist Jews, there's religious Jews, you know, I go on and on, you know all about it. I mean, there's people from all different stripes I’m sure there are Satanist Jews. I'm sure there's, you know, there's been white power skinheads who are Jews. I mean, the whole concept of asking that this this word Jew, it's like- it’s like-, in the movement, they elevate the words like the status of like a Boogeyman. It's like every everywhere you look, you expect us to find a Jew there.

20:34:46 Doug Misicko: I agree with that.

20:34:47 George Burdi: It's paranoia.

20:34:48 Doug Misicko: That's what I was basically saying to Metzger. But I was just seeing you were talking merely the racial aspects of your conversion. And I was thinking, more political movement in what you still agree with and what you disagree with...

20:35:02 George Burdi: Well, anybody that thinks that Jews have like some, like, total homogeneous voice, just has to like, get online and go read some Israeli newspapers, you'll hear every perspective argued, in a public forum.

20:35:15 Doug Misicko: Well, Noam Chomsky came from Jewish background.

20:35:18 George Burdi: There ya go.

20:35:20 Doug Misicko: And he's an Israeli dissenter of the first class.

20:35:25 George Burdi: There are many of them. Listen, I have priv- I have friends who are Jews who are- who are fantastic individuals who are solid people. And, you know, their attitude is not always in agreement with things that they see being done. And- and you know, I have some Jewish friends who like getting together with me, because they can bitch about Jews to the whole time.

[Laughter]

I mean, ya know? I mean listen, no matter what race you are, you- the thing is probably going to get you... You're probably going to get sick of your own kind first, because what you're going to be familiar with fast. And, you know, let's face it, there's a lot of misanthropists out there.

20:36:03 Amy Bugbee: Exactly. Well, I mean, even in doing this broadcast today, we've had people who are supposedly Satanists saying horrible things about things that we're saying. You know, in any kind of group, there's so much infighting, especially a small group that's really just starting out, much like the white power movement that you were a part of, Satanism is a lot the same way. There's a lot of morons, there's a lot of people who are just a part of it to be a part of something. They feel is dangerous or shocking.

20:36:38 Doug Misicko: Well the larger anything grows, the harder it is to maintain a unified front.

20:36:45 Amy Bugbee: So now, when we saw you in Canada, you were engaged to David and Katja Lane's daughter was part of your change in beliefs is, is that what ended your relationship? Or was it just the natural-

20:37:00 George Burdi: No, no, no. It- no, no, we- it was more of was a short- shorter term relationship. It wasn't a relationship that was like long or wasn't like we were deeply in love. You know, we met each other, and we had by probably by the time that you guys had come up, I don't know if we were still getting along very well. So it had nothing to do at all with my leaving the movement was, you know, decision that she made that to head home while I was in- when I was in jail, in Ottawa back in ‘97.

20:37:35 Shane Bugbee: Didn't she introduce you to the movement?

20:37:37 George Burdi: No. It was- I was already running Resistance Records. And her mother knew of me and introduced me to her

20:37:45 Shane Bugbee: So George you owned Resistance Records, right?

20:37:47 George Burdi: That's correct.

20:37:49 Shane Bugebee: Now, why- Did you sell it to the folks who are running it now? Because it's still flourishing.

20:37:56 George Burdi: I actually just washed my hands of it and walked away from it.

20:38:00 Shane Bugbee: So you're cool with them putting out your RaHoWa CDs like crazy.

20:38:05 George Burdi: I don't even- I don't even pay any attention to I don't know what they do with it. I mean, I've heard that- that sold a lot of copies by this point, but I don't really pay any attention to the subject. I mean.

20:38:14 Shane Bugbee: It's like a surprising thing. That's like your legac- not- one of your legacies from that part of time. And I'm surprised that you've let them have that. I almost, you know, crazy me got a little conspiracy in me. I think, "I wonder if George is working on the inside now."

20:38:31 George Burdi: [Laughs] Nah, that's not the case. There's no inside to work on anyway. There's no outside either.

20:38:39 Shane Bugbee: I mean- but why don't you stop them from selling your stuff? I mean, seems odd. You'd let that stuff-

20:38:44 George Burdi: Why? They have the legal right to publish that CD. They own it as part of their catalogue.

20:38:50 Shane Bugbee: I thought you owned Resistance Records though at one time.

20:38:52 George Burdi: What was that?

20:38:53 Shane Bugbee: I thought you had owned Resistance Rec-

20:38:54 George Burdi: Yeah I did own Resistance Records. And I walked away from Resistance Records when I left the movement in ‘97.

20:38:59 Shane Bugbee: So you sold it?

20:39:01 George Burdi: I walked away from it actually, one of my partners ended up selling it to a party down in California who in turn ended up selling it to the National Alliance.

20:39:08 Shane Bugbee: Oh okay, so you left-

20:39:09 George Burdi: I was not involved in it, didn't receive any monies in the transaction and actually didn't even know until years later, exactly what had happened when I started asking a couple questions.

20:39:18 Shane Bugbee: Right on, right on...

20:39:20 George Burdi: How it ended up in Pierce hand- Pierce's hands I get like a, you know, update once in a while, but I wasn't involved, had no- I walked away from it. I was like, You know what, the first thing I did when I left the movement, as I said, I'm not gonna sit around reading anti racist stuff now and try to figure out why I was wrong. Because I didn't have any ideas that I was wrong. I just gave up I was out of energy at first. So got outta jail. I’m moping around, I didn't have a job and I didn’t know what to do. And all I decided though, I was just going to leave the movement behind. And that really meant kind of leaving my entire circle of friends behind. Really everybody I’d known in the- in the- in almost 10 years prior. And I couldn't even talk to really now. And I just made the decision, I- the only person I went and told in the movement is my guitarist from RaHoWa, Jon Latvis. I went- and went to his place, and we'd worked together so long and had good chemistry as artists that I, you know, wanted to say something to him and let him know. And I just said, “Jon” I said, you know, “I'm just tired, I'm just fed up” I said, “this is not viable, it's not going anywhere, and I'm not going to burn all my life on it.” And that was the first- the reason I left. It was only in the- in the years after that I came to gradually drift further and further away from that way of thinking and start to, you know, integrate myself into regular society, I ended up working as a bouncer at a nightclub in a downtown club. And it just started to kind of get introduced to a different world and, you know, saw that there was merit and other things as well. And it wasn't that I had ever kind of, you know, sat down and, and figured out all the intellectual arguments to what I had ever thought in my life. Because you try to do that type of a dialectic, you're going to get caught up in it forever, and you're never going to finish your- your- your- your argument with yourself, all I really did was said, “Okay, now I have to leave all this stuff behind, put it up on a shelf, at some point in the future, maybe I'll look back on these- these- these- these ideas and think about them.” And I do from time to time, I analyze them and try to make an understanding of the world. And, you know, I don't claim to have any answers, I just know that I reached sort of the bottom of- of- of what that ideology had to give. And it did have something to give at a certain stage. But, you know, ultimately, it's- the worship of nature and the belief in the tribe. And the kind of loss of individuality that occurs in that process. Just sort of, didn't appeal to me anymore. It just, I had to go beyond that.

20:41:55 Shane Bugbee: So do you still have a soft spot in your heart for Robert Matthews?

20:42:02 George Burdi: You know, I really felt that- you know, any person who- who truly and passionately believes in something with their whole heart, you know, I feel sort of as like a kindred spirit of sorts, and I- I- I you know, I can- I feel- I feel sorry for- for- for- for the world, I feel sorry for the- the pain that- that human beings put other people through, and- and- and I feel sorry for the mess that we've made of the world. And, you know, individual lives that- that- that are sort of part of that- that tragedy include people like- like Robert Matthews, could have had a much different life if he'd been born into a different time. And I know a lot of people rotting away in jail that- you know, could have been good fathers and good members of society and again, just born into a time under certain circumstances and that's what their lives became.

20:43:03 Shane Bugbee: Are you in contact with anyone from the old days like David Lane? Have you ever written him?

20:43:08 George Burdi: No. No, I've never written David lane but as far as being in contact with other people from the movement, I get daily emails from- from skinheads who are either still in the movement or in one stage or the other of having leaving the movement or having already left it's- it's interesting actually, some of the conversations that I have with people they run the whole gamut you know, some people are just- want to tell me to fuck off and other people want to want to write me a letter and kind of engage in a bit of a dialogue because they're- they're sort of wondering what I may think of, of their ideas and, and they want to kind of hear the- what arguments I may have for them now. I know when I was in the movement, I always wanted to hear what somebody else had to say and what the best arguments out there could possibly be. Because I was very interested in kind of, you know, having that that dialectic. But, you know, some of the guys another write me a letter, they'll tell me to go fuck myself, and I'll write them back. And I'll just say to them, “Well, you know, I can understand why you would feel that way. Because I said, I was gonna march along with you into the flames of revolution. And, you know, here I am, apparently, standing on the other side of the fence. So, so you know, I could understand you feeling that way. And let's just get that out of the way right up front.” However, I've always been a person that felt I had to say what I was feeling. And if there was an idea in my head, I felt like I had to express it. I didn't ever keep things in because they were unpopular, because I was afraid of offending people. I just have always just tried to say what I felt. And this is just a time now when I have to do the same thing. And I have to just say that I think I was wrong on some points. And, and I have to take my lumps for for that, as far as Metzger’s reference earlier, to me being a rat, because I left the movement. It's a convenient term to use. And it's- it's very neat, but the truth is that I was offered many opportunities to do something like that, and to give evidence against people, and I never worked with the police. It's one of the reasons why am I my band is just being sold online and not in a record store. You know, I never made the proper inroads into the anti-racist community, I really just kind of become a man without a country, in a way I just- I'm just doing my own thing. And if leaving the movement and want to do my own thing, upsets some people that I guess they're entitled to their opinion.

20:45:46 Amy Bugbee: So now, where would you say that your spirituality lies? Is it- Does it fit into a specific group, you know, like, Christian or something? Or do you take different aspects of a lot of different faiths? Are you Atheist?

20:46:02 George Burdi: Well, I mean, religion is such a complicated issue, I definitely do not identify myself as any one particular religion. I think that if you learn enough about all religions, and start wor- learn enough about the world of tradition, then you end up- you end up being able to see the commonality between spiritual ideas. And the type of God that I want to find is the type of God that can be born in me, the type of God that I can intimately know that I can experience not the God that I have to believe in because it was- it was told because it was a golden rule handed down to me, I want to instead, know it as an imminent reality that I've experienced with- through experiential wisdom have come to know, rather than something that I've come to believe, and have foisted upon me as an ideology.

20:47:04 Amy Bugbee: So would you consider yourself more... I guess, are you more... I don't want to say happy but I guess, are you happier now than you were then? And if so, do you think it's because you have taken yourself out of that situation? Or do you think it's more just the- the angst of youth?

20:47:10 George Burdi: Well, it's probably a combination of that. I mean, definitely not having- not having all those, you know, weights weighing me down all those bags weighing me down. I mean, it was back in the days of when I was in the movement. I mean, like, I couldn't accomplish anything, it was just so frustrating to work with those people into- that's so much opposition and- and so much media attention, and it was just like, you know, I didn't have my own life at all, I guess I many nights, where I- You know, fell asleep in front of my computer working on my magazine, or, you know, was just constantly absorbed into it and looked like a hermit. I mean, police that were doing surveillance outside my house for months on end. It came out in court that they were just, you know, just remarked that how like days would pass and I would seemingly would never come out of my house. And most of that time I was down in the basement in front of a computer screen and working for you know, sometimes 18 hours a day on the on the magazine. I laid and wrote most of it, then laid the entire thing out myself. 68 pages with a color cover was a ton of work. And plus had a lot of other responsibilities. So- I mean, back in those days, I you know- happiness to me was being part of a fight and be part of a struggle. I define happiness differently today. I don't think life has to be a struggle in the sense that you constantly feel like you're toiling I think life can, instead, when when you use common sense and your order your life its structured well and you put the righ-, the right ideas into your head and the right action. to back it up, then I think life can be, can be rewarding and fulfilling. And I think that true happiness comes as a result of that not- not attaching yourself to the accomplishments of your ancestors, like something that they did, as opposed to make you feel accomplished. I mean, stand on your own feet, don't- don't need to attach yourself onto the greatness of somebody else. You know, they're not you so don't- because your skin the same color, you're the same background, that doesn't mean that you're them. You don't deserve a part of their praise. You got to- you got to make it for yourself. And, and that's what I have, you know, my life now to do for myself and my own- my family, my own personal world.

20:49:49 Amy Bugbee: Well, I know after we came up to see RaHoWa play in Canada, and you know, you spoke and your band performed, and Shane and I left and on the way home, we talked about how concerned we were for your safety and security, because we felt that you were trying to move that racialist movement somewhere further, and we were concerned-

20:50:13 Shane Bugbee: It's not about hate, it's about love. And when you said that we got what you were saying almost I don't think the rest of the crowd was listening, though.

20:50:20 Amy Bugbee: We were concerned that you would become a casualty like a Malcolm X or Martin Luther King, if you don't mind me using them as an example. So it's good to know that you're safe and you know, still doing stuff.

20:50:38 George Burdi: Well, yeah, the fact that I've gotten to the age of 33 is remarkable. [laughs] but uh- No, I mean... All that stuff back in the movement days, when it happened in a blur for me. And but you know, looking back now it was like... I feel like I had to have- I had to have a certain- I had to- I had to think this issue out and I had to publicly discuss it with people. And really, it's all I had wanted to do in the first place. When I first started getting into the movement literature when I was in high school. All I tried to do and what started the whole thing was a teacher asked a class to do a presentation on a alternative viewpoint of history. So I went and talked to my girlfriend's father, who I had been dating this girl for six months, and I've never really spoken to her father about his past because he was German and had been a child during World War Two. So I went to ask him to help me with my presentation that I had to do an alternative viewpoint of history. Well, it turns out he was a supporter of a Holocaust revisionist by the name of Ernst Zündel, and introduced me to the whole world of white power literature. And the whole thinking of Holocaust revisionism and eventually led into learning about national socialism and racial ideas, and so on and so forth. So having sort of- having sort of gone through... this process of- of- of listening to him, tell me about something he had experienced and lived through. And then I went in front of the class, and I just gave almost verbatim what he had said. And the teacher like flipped out on me. He was red in the face, he was calling me all kinds of names and threatened to expel me from the school. If he ever heard me talking about this stuff again. I was writing up on the board that there's a Jewish conspiracy and that all races are not equal. And so.[laughs] And so what ends up happening is I had just sort of presented this innocently. I mean, I only learned it the night before, I had no opinions on it. I hadn’t been raised to think any of this. And so now I go up in front of a class that I'm talking about it, and he freaks out and embarrasses me humiliates me yells at me in front of the class tells me off afterwards, and I took it as a challenge. The next thing I wanted to do was, I'm going to- I'm going to go back to this, this man who taught me this stuff, and I want more literature. And I left that day for- went back to his place and got a box full of books and tapes and everything that started me going, because I have wanted to argue with this teacher. So I guess my point in all this is that people kind of need to go through a process. And people shouldn't be freaked out on if they have an idea. If they want to discuss something or hear what somebody else has to say about it. They should be entitled to voice their opinion and hear what somebody else has to say, what's the harm? That's what people should do. People should share the human experience with one another. discuss everything. We haven't figured out what we're all doing here as a species. So let's all sort of share our experience with each other and let's ask hard questions at times.

20:53:58 Shane Bugbee: Yeah man.

20:53:58 George Burdi: That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to get clues, right? We shouldn't- we shouldn't have like, you know, this Emperor's New Clothes type... Mythology.

20:54:10 Shane Bugbee: Well, that's sort of how I hooked up with you. I remember I think you wanted to put something in a metal fest magazine or something. No?

20:54:16 George Burdi: That's right. That's right. Milwaukee metal fest back in probably ‘95?

20:54:21 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, they were all afraid of you and I was- I'm very anti censorship I think everything should be said and you just learn from it and I had wondered you know, I really- the reason I did so many- so much talking to you and went up to see you is so many people and it was all white folks telling me how Nazis are bad and I really didn't even understand really anything beyond what had a little bit I've learned in history class, what Nazis that were about or what the movement was about or anything. So I really wanted to learn from you or hear what you had to say. you sent me the Might is Right. We put those ads in the book and I'm you know, I feel I guess a little cheated. I never got to hear what you think- thought about the might is right book. You got put in jail...

20:55:07 George Burdi: [laughs] I never saw the Might is Right book.

20:55:08 Shane Bugbee: You never- You See you got put in jail when it was published-

20:55:10 George Burdi: I got put in jail. And then I fell out of contact. So maybe you can send me one of the new ones and one of the old ones together.

20:55:15 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, I'd love to. Remember, we're supposed to have a bottle of wine and discuss the whole thing. I wondered- You never- You never saw any of it. Huh?

20:55:22 George Burdi: Hey, listen, I still got a bottle of wine waiting for you in Toronto. If you ever want to make it up, brother.

20:55:26 Shane Bugbee: Right on, bro. I would love to do that man. I really, I've always liked what you do. And I still do. I- I appreciate what you're doing, George. Boy, it's been good talking to you. That's for sure.

20:55:42 George Burdi: Likewise, man.

20:55:43 Shane Bugbee: I'm sorry, I'm a little... We've been up for 24 hours so I’m-

20:55:47 George Burdi: Yeah, I heard about you listening to guys earlier there. You sound like you were running out of steam for a bit. Thought you were gonna start turning on each other.

20:55:55 Shane Bugbee: Well actually it's the 3rd day we've been up so yeah, it's horrible. But... Eh

20:56:01 Amy Bugbee: Well we'll have to try to play your song again. I know we tried to play it before you came on, but there was a technical...

20:56:05 George Burdi: You rip it on- You burn it on the CD and you’re gonna play it on audio now?

20:56:08 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, the gentlemen from Radio Free Satan had downloaded it for me and fixed it up so. we're gonna play it right after we're done talking to you.

20:56:16 Amy Bugbee: It sounds really good.

20:56:18 George Burdi: “Faster, smarter, far more clever. The Selfish Gene beneath the light. Immortal coils, the endless tether. Alleles of altruistic life. Awake me. Shake me. Take me teacher. Cast upon the spinning wheel. We don't belong amongst these creatures who cannot think and do not feel? How can I love you like I do?” That's a- that's a song Black Easter.

[Applause]

20:56:54 Shane Bugbee: Alright man, well George, it's been great talking to you, man.

20:56:58 Doug Misicko: Thank you very much.

20:56:59 Shane Bugbee: How do people get ahold of you?

20:57:00 George Burdi: Well, if you check it out- if you go to Novacosm.com, you can you can listen to some music there. And we're also actually going to be putting all of our music online mp3 format, as well as- it’s going to be actually listed with CD Baby soon. But you can- you can find out everything about the band through Novacosm.com. We haven't updated the website in the last several months, as we've been working on new material and don't have a big staff or anything. But it's ready for a major overhaul a lot of great new content coming soon. And you know, anybody wants to check it out that's great. We're actually going to be following a total non-business strategy of music where our goal is going to be to give away as much music as possible so although we will be selling our CDs we'll be making our whole albums available for free download, and people that want to buy the album because they've had a chance to preview it properly well then that's that's the way it's going to be done. So our attitude is to make music free and I've always viewed music as that way. You know, I passed the Resistance Records. We were probably the only record company that encouraged pirating of our music. We had people all over Europe making bootleg CDs and didn't didn't really care. So I mean, my attitude about music is that it's- it's art and the more people that want to take the time to listen to what something I've created. Then that's- that's all good. And if anyone wants to drop me a line, they can email me at George at Novacosm.com. And Shane it has been a blast. Amy and I believe Doug is your name right?

20:58:27 Doug Misicko: Right. Thanks for talking to us.

20:58:29 George Burdi: We never got properly introduced but hang in there. How many hours left?

20:58:33 Doug Misicko: I’ll personalize a book for you.

20:58:34 Amy Bugbee: Three, three hours.

20:58:36 George Burdi: [laughing] Three more hours to go right?

20:58:38 Shane Bugbee: Yeah three hours we’re sle- what, huh?

20:58:40 Amy Bugbee: Yeah, sorry, we didn't introduce Doug like we should have you know, we're getting out of it.

20:58:46 George Burdi: You guys gonna be making this available as a download on the website or no?

20:58:49 Shane Bugbee: Absolutely.

20:58:50 Amy Bugbee: That’s what they tell us.

20:58:51 George Burdi: Okay.

20:58:52 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, man. It was good. Talking to you, George. Thanks a lot for calling man.

20:58:55 George Burdi: Okay, guys.

20:58:56 Shane Bugbee: Stay strong.

20:58:57 George Burdi: Okay, Stay Stay strong brother.

20:59:00 Shane Bugbee: We're gonna play his song right now. That was really, really, really cool. Me and Amy. We're goo- old friends with George. We made friends with him a long time ago, having spoke with him since he got out of jail. That was really nice to talk to him. Alright Tom Metzger don't have anyone bash my head in because I said that. All right. I don't- I don't want no problems from no one no- I bet you the Novachasm fans will be the ones that bash our heads in.

20:59:23 Amy Bugbee: They were both lovely guests though.

20:59:25 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, well, they were a hell of a lot more polite than the fuckers that are leaving messages on the Church of Satan board.

20:59:32 Amy Bugbee: And I just want to say to "my gun is bigger" in the chat room. Hang in there, man.

20:59:38 Shane Bugbee: That's three hours. We got one listener that's been with us. 24 hours.

20:59:41 Doug Misicko: That's our boy.

20:59:43 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, and we're sending them our stinky clothes from being here 24hrs.

20:59:46 Amy Bugbee: He's concerned about ODing on NoDoz.

20:59:49 Shane Bugbee: Hey, brother. Well, this- I think this...

20:59:52 Doug Misicko: Dont worry about it, it's a good way to go.

20:59:53 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. This song is going to "my big gun". What's his name?

Hour 22

21:00:00 Amy Bugbee: My gun is bigger.

21:00:02 Doug Misicko: I don't remember what his real name was. We even talked to him...

21:00:05 Shane Bugbee: Ponyboy

[Song Plays]

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Peter Gilmore Interview

21:16:02 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, we're on. We're on with Peter Gilmore. Hi, Peter.

21:16:03 Peter Gilmore: Hi. How are you all doing, holding up now after your marathon?

21:16:07 Shane Bugbee: Oh, yeah, good. A little crazed.

21:16:07 Amy Bugbee: We can see the finish line.

21:16:11 Peter Gilmore: That's good.

21:16:12 Shane Bugbee: I guess we need to make proper introductions since George Eric Hawthorne called us out on that.

21:16:17 Peter Gilmore: Oh he did, did he?

21:16:18 Shane Bugbee: Yeah. So we have the artist that drew some of the illustrations for the new printing of Might is Right in the studio.

21:16:25 Peter Gilmore: All right. Excellent.

21:16:26 Shane Bugbee: His name is Doug.

21:16:28 Peter Gilmore: Good to have creative people on board.

21:16:29 Doug Misicko: Good to meet you.

21:16:30 Shane Bugbee: We have my beautiful wife, Amy and me. We've met.

21:16:34 Peter Gilmore: Yes, indeed.

21:16:35 Amy Bugbee: We had a lovely lunch.

21:16:37 Shane Bugbee: And we have one of the gentlemen from the black metal band Usurper sitting- waiting for you. Oh, he's coming on next. So, he's in the he's in the background, say, "Hey".

21:16:46 Rick Scythe: (away from mic) Heyyyy.

21:16:48 Peter Gilmore: I've never heard their music.

21:16:50 Shane Bugbee: Oh, well, we have to send you a CD. They're wicked, good black metal.

21:16:54 Amy Bugbee: Stay tuned. You'll get to hear him.

21:16:57 Shane Bugbee: Yeah, Rick have anything to say...?

21:16:58 Rick Scythe: Oh yeah, yeah...

21:17:01 Shane Bugbee: So how are you today, Peter?

21:17:02 Peter Gilmore: Oh, doing fine. If there is a very interesting mood in New York, of course, being the anniversary of the attacks in 2001. And you kind of noticed the gravity in the air that makes everybody kind of stop and think and realize their vulnerability all over.

21:17:20 Shane Bugbee: I have a couple friends in New York. And I know I've read some of your writings about what happened. And it's definitely a different feel here than there.

21:17:30 Peter Gilmore: Oh, I would imagine. Yeah.

21:17:32 Shane Bugbee: You know, so...

21:17:33 Peter Gilmore: Ya know we were living in a golden age of real freedom. Before the 9/11 attacks, people here really felt that they didn't have to worry that someone would actually violate the social contract on that level. It was really naive. And it was proven to be such that day, but that- that era may be gone forever. Now.

21:17:54 Doug Misicko: You said the- New York seem to stop and think today. I've been in New York a few times, and the masses there didn't seem to have the capability to stop and think.

21:18:04 Peter Gilmore: Well, the masses don't but there are enough people that do, and even those who are mental sluggards are, or- they can tap into the feel in the air. It's something more primal than [higher] conscious thought.

21:18:18 Doug Misicko: So what did you make of September 11, the attacks? A call to arms against fundamentalism?

21:18:23 Peter Gilmore: Exactly. Precisely. It's- What 9/11 showed us was that fanatical fundamentalists are poison to a social contract. And I like the idea of a social contract because it allows me to spend my time on pursuits other than just trying to keep food on my table and defend what possessions I have. So those kinds of folks are dangerous. It doesn't matter whether they're Islamic, or Christian, or whatever kind of religion. If they have that kind of fanaticism, where they want to destroy anybody who does not think as they do, then they have to be recognized as the rabid dogs they are, and eventually weeded out from a secular culture.

21:19:01 Doug Misicko: What did you feel about the "cleanup work" that some of the academics tried to do immediately thereafter, claiming that that was not the face of the true Islam?

21:19:11 Peter Gilmore: Well, again, Islam does have a whole group and range of sects. But when you look at the early history of Islam, they were very hostile to anybody who didn't believe as they did, much as the Christians were. It took a long time for Christianity to be placed in a position where they didn't have the unity with governmental powers that could exercise conversion or death. So in time, Islam over the world may reach a point where it's not linked with governments with weapons, or with members that can get ahold of weapons that can destroy people. I mean as we- the situation in Israel is a very— one to think about, because there's a relatively small group of suicidal individuals are slaughtering people, by the day with with bombing runs, they're not afraid to die, they think they're getting some kind of illusory heavenly reward. And those people are absolutely dangerous.

21:20:02 Amy Bugbee: But do you really feel that's the case? I mean, you know, these people have had- the Palestinians have had everything they own taken from them, they've been forced to move into refugee camps, and the Israelis still come in with tanks and blow them up. And every time there is a suicide bombing, these people are flying their choppers over and bombing refugee camps, which seems to be an oxymoron of the whole idea of a refugee camp. I mean, these people are desperate people, they have no weapons, they have nothing. What choice do they have? I think if I were in that situation, I might strap a bomb to myself too.

21:20:35 Peter Gilmore: Oh, you might but then you're dead. Do you have no more life to live. And the whole point is...

21:20:40 Amy Bugbee: But they don't have a life now. I mean, they've had they've lost it all.

21:20:43 Peter Gilmore: They could find- I think they might find ways to have a different kind of life than than what they expected. We have to always adapt. Remember, we're talking about Might is Right as our basic issue here for this day. And the book, that's just out, that we want to remind people buy the book. Umm...

21:20:58 Amy Bugbee: (laughing) Thank you.

21:20:59 Peter Gilmore: If you basically are attacking a power that has more mics than you do, then you can only expect to be slaughtered. So going in there and blowing up Israelis is going to have reprisals, just like blowing up buildings in this nation had reprisals for the nations that harbor those people, you really have to keep aware of who has the power in the situation. And one, you can't be idealistic. You can't say I want my life to always be the way it is that not may not be possible, you have to adapt and find a life that's going to be as as satisfying for you as it can be, but it may not necessarily be an ideal that you have. You have to be pragmatic about it. I don't think they're being pragmatic.

21:21:38 Amy Bugbee: But that's like- What about like the Revolutionary War and the Americans against the British. I mean, people would say that, would have said the same thing. I'm sure people in Britain, were saying that about the silly Americans.

21:21:49 Peter Gilmore: Yeah, but America had the power to pull it off, and did. And that's might again made right, they had the money. They didn't they they had help from France. And, again, it's all a matter of power and balances of power. The Palestinians could have the right kind of allies, they wouldn't have to be committing suicide all the time.

21:22:07 Doug Misicko: I think Might is Right could be taken either way, in that case. You could say, Israel has the upper hand, they should be able to take the upper hand, they should be able to expand their borders, if they've got the might, it makes right. But also you could say that if the Palestinians can display any type of might, and they're feeling that they're oppressed, they should do whatever they can.

21:22:27 Peter Gilmore: Well, the thing is, everybody will, that's always what happens, you know, might is right isn't something that you have to try to promote. It's what it's how things work. It's simply a definition of a reality, so that everyone will struggle for what they want, whether it's idealistic, or pragmatic, and whoever wields the most power will eventually win and rewrite the history so that they look like they were doing the right thing all along, depending on their audience.

21:22:48 Doug Misicko: That's I agree. And I think Might Is Right basically says how it is not how it should be or how we will make it that's the way it is.

21:22:59 Peter Gilmore: Exactly. It's reality. It's not ideals.

21:23:03 Doug Misicko: It's a philosophy of realism.

21:23:05 Peter Gilmore: Mmhmm. Precisely.

21:23:06 Doug Misicko: I think what people most people it seems, even within internal chat rooms and everything else don't seem to understand, and it must grow annoying to you, is the fundamental atheism of LaVeyan Satanism.

21:23:19 Peter Gilmore: Oh, that does get kind of tiresome, and you know, we thought most people cleared out in 1975. But they kind of creep back in now and again. [Silence.] You know, the real thing with Satanism is that it isn't spiritual. It's carnal. It's material. And the folks that try to bring Some kind of spiritualism into it or really missing the point. But it's about living your life for the here and now not dealing with some kind of mystical mumbo jumbo. There'll be a Wiccan or a Setian in or something, if that's your, your taste and things. And we don't care if people really think that way. But it certainly isn't what the Church of Satan is about.

21:23:56 Amy Bugbee: Peter, throughout our broadcast, I think we've touched on a number of times the problems with infighting and pettiness within the Church of Satan. What do you think about that? I mean, don't you think that all of that ends up holding people back?

21:24:11 Peter Gilmore: Well, you know, I don't really see much pettiness or infighting in the Church of Satan. I think that that it becomes an illusion for people who are online, who might bicker with each other. But those amount of people you can count on several hands, and really is such a miniscule drop in the ocean of the thousands of members we have in the Church of Satan, that it's really not even considered worth considering. It's just, you know, minor people with big mouths, and they're online. But the real people who count in the Church of Satan, as in real life, are the ones who are out there really making something happen. They're producing things, they're doing books, they're doing movies, they're doing radio shows, they're doing music, they're doing all kinds of things. And you know, they're too busy to waste their lives in bickering and infighting. Those are the people who don't seem to have much better to do. And those kind of people are worth ignoring.

21:24:58 Doug Misicko: Well, they seem they're the ones who maintain this mainly for the image, for the identity, rather than building one of their own, they're latching on to something that was prefabricated for them.

21:25:11 Peter Gilmore: Well, there are so many people who are like that in the world, that they're looking for an identity and they want to hang their hat on something. But those kind of folks often will move on to something else, if they don't get what they want out of what they think is the source for the identity, like they want to be somehow catered to. And the Church of Satan isn't about catering to people. So those kind of folks sort of move on fairly quickly. At least we've seen that over many years that we've been involved. So it's it solves itself. It's a wonderful organic organization that does weed out those kinds of people in time.

21:25:44 Doug Misicko: Do you see the Church of Satan as progressing and moving into a different phase?

21:25:49 Peter Gilmore: Well, the phase now is is really one where we are extending on all of the foundations and developments that we've had over the past years, that we are now in a position with the current technology, and our worldwide reach an instantaneous touch with people in just about every nation on the globe, to really get the kind of ideas out there that we want to explore. That people can really find out immediately now, what Satanism really is, instead of listening to- you know, I mean, intelligent people can like, of course, naturally, we're dealing with the human species, and 90 percent of it is worthless, but the intelligent folks have instant access to knowing what we're really about. And if they're carnal, people who are in tune with our kind of symbols, then they can be part of our movement. And that's certainly a power that is growing. In leaps and bounds right now in the organization. We're at the strongest point we've ever been.

21:26:44 Doug Misicko: What would you do if you were emperor of America right now?

21:26:48 Peter Gilmore: "Emperor of America"? No, if I'd want to do that, because I probably wouldn't have enough time to enjoy myself. It'd be fucking too much responsibilities, that would be amazingly boring.

21:27:01 Doug Misicko: Would you instate a eugenics policy?

21:27:03 Peter Gilmore: Well, I think that that is definitely something that that needs to be done, in time. We have to sit especially since we're cracking the genetic code. But we're getting to the point where we'll be able to design the kind of offspring and further generations that we're going to have, I think that's really an important thing for our species on the whole. We've understood, that sort of diversity of breeding has brought interesting results. And, you know, humans, of course, breed animals to try to bring the best, and I don't see why we don't apply that to ourselves.

21:27:34 Doug Misicko: I couldn't agree more.

21:27:36 Peter Gilmore: It only I mean, eugenics, of course, as you folks probably know, didn't have a bad name until the excesses of the Third Reich. It was totally promoted by most intellectuals throughout the Western world. I even have a book on my shelf promoting eugenics, and it was endorsed by the Episcopalian Church. So you can't get more conservative than that. So, you know, it really was an idea that that that was around. And it was tainted, because of misdirected use of it. But it's something that in time should be restored, because it's the only way to actually evolve our species. What we see is when we look back over human history, that physically we don't seem to have evolved much at all over over the course of recorded history that we know. And if we really want to change ourselves, the time may be to take active measures to do so, to see what could be better and to do that, and of course, there may be mistakes along the way as there always are when progress is happening.

21:28:32 Doug Misicko: Well, the idea is that we haven't been evolving but in fact, we've been regressing as dysgenics, because the stupidest people are capable of spitting out the most children. Now more than ever before.

21:28:43 Peter Gilmore: Sure, situations where folks who basically aren't contributing in many instances are allowed to do whatever they want to, and they keep reproducing. But you know, in the end, those aren't some people who really will move society anyway. And we always have to look towards the fact that we're always dealing with a stratification pyramid, and that the majority of people are always going to be relatively worthless. And I think even throughout history, if we look at who was breeding most, it was the kind of worthless people, anyway. So I don't really see that that's so much of a big change, that it's really always hard- because, you know, look, look at if we look at really ancient history, the majority of the classes that were out there were slave classes were being put to use to build the architecture and all the cultural elements. The folks who are doing the art, and the priesthood and aristocracy were always the tiniest tip of that pyramid. And that really hasn't changed so much.

21:29:40 Amy Bugbee: But what about the fact that in ancient times, the royalty was mostly inbreeding brothers and sisters and cousins were forced to marry and reproduce?

21:29:49 Peter Gilmore: Yeah well, that ended up causing a lot of genetic trouble too, didn't it? So, you know, the thing is, at a certain point in European history, they are often looking outside of their own particular houses to foreign royalties, that to breed and that was a good idea... that it created some genetic diversity, and again, produce some interesting results. And, of course, some some poor results to those folks didn't have any deep knowledge of how how breeding works, or, or genetics at all. You know, with the knowledge that we have, plus the cracking of the genome, there's so much more that can really be done. And it would be interesting to see it happen. And of course, it will, on some level. The thing is, once the knowledge is there, people will use it, whether it's done overtly it or done covertly, which is more likely with something like that that's so unpopular, it will happen.

21:30:36 Doug Misicko: I believe the numbers are kept fairly fairly, fairly secret, but can you give us an estimate of the annual growth of the membership of the Church of Satan?

21:30:46 Peter Gilmore: I really can't say that. Anton LaVey, they created a policy of not letting people know our membership at all. Because if it seems to be too many, we look like a threat and seems to be too little people won't take us seriously.

21:30:55 Shane Bugbee: What business is that of yours, Doug?

21:30:56 Peter Gilmore: So that's something we really don't. I mean, we we do have thousands of people worldwide, and we get people almost joining every single day. So...

21:31:06 Shane Bugbee: What business is that have yours that of yours, Doug?

21:31:08 Doug Misicko: I don't know I've already run into people-

21:31:10 Shane Bugbee: Are you an accountant, IRS, what?

21:31:12 Peter Gilmore: Everybody wants to know. And it's fun to keep it a mystery...

21:31:15 Shane Bugbee: Stupidest question I've ever heard. No, I'm joking, Doug. Not the stupidest. I don't understand what the hell that question is. You know? Why?

21:31:23 Doug Misicko: It's a natural question. They want to know, yeah.

21:31:27 Peter Gilmore: It is most people ask, and then, you know, I give the standard answer that I just did.

21:31:31 Doug Misicko: I don't feel any better about most people asking, but I still don't think it's a stupid question.

21:31:37 Shane Bugbee: Well, I'm tired. Okay, Doug. I'm sure I would just want to punch him because I'm looking at him for 24 hours.

21:31:43 Doug Misicko: Still got this knife...

21:31:45 Peter Gilmore: Now, now have something good to drink and relax.

21:31:48 Shane Bugbee: Oh, we will once- we had to take we had to take you very seriously. After this. It's the black metal band, you know, we're going downhill from here.

21:31:56 Peter Gilmore: Or uphill for some parts of the audience. So...

21:32:01 Amy Bugbee: How much of the show Have you listened to? And what have you thought so far?

21:32:05 Peter Gilmore: We only really came in towards the latter part. Because we've been really kind of busy today.

21:32:10 Shane Bugbee: So to hear Tom Metzger.

21:32:12 Peter Gilmore: No, no, we missed him because we sort of went out to have dinner before he was on. You were playing some speeches that were recorded with George Hawthorn and somebody else and...

21:32:21 Shane Bugbee: You emailed me and said "white power-less"...

21:32:23 Peter Gilmore: Oh, yeah, yeah.

21:32:24 Shane Bugbee: So you're not you don't have any appreciation for the white power movement.

21:32:29 Peter Gilmore: Well, I appreciate what they are, which is generally desperate powerless people who are looking for an identity to somehow give themselves some kind of self confidence. And those people are generally fairly empty inside and it's- I'm feel bad for them because a lot of them is not linked themselves into something idealistic and would concentrate on their own personal well being they might achieve it. This way they're making themselves pariahs were watched by a lot of factors in our society, which will just make their lives miserable. It's not going to give them a better life.

21:33:01 Shane Bugbee: So when you think of the last printing of Might Is Right, the one I did with when Anton LaVey originally gave me the foreword, and then I had the, the George Eric Hawthorne, afterward and the Katja Lane, editor's note.

21:33:14 Peter Gilmore: Oh, it was fun. It was a good addition because it brought a lot more information to go with the book. And it showed that there's a whole range of people who find inspiration from those texts.

21:33:22 Shane Bugbee: Do you agree with Dr. LaVey's theory with the Jack London theory?

21:33:27 Peter Gilmore: I think that that's a good possibility. I personally haven't done the kind of research to make any kind of real convincing for myself about it. You know, I hear what all these different people say, and I haven't looked at the manuscripts. So I really can't say. If I did, I might have something more definite to say about that.

21:33:44 Shane Bugbee: Ok.

21:33:46 Peter Gilmore: Can't can't say one way or another because I really don't know. But I think it's a fascinating theory. And certainly, there's enough evidence there to lend some credibility. But so there may really, indeed be several people who were involved in it, because the writing style is inconsistent through the whole text.

21:34:02 Doug Misicko: Alright, stop me if this is an another dead question. But...

21:34:06 Shane Bugbee: Stop.

21:34:07 Doug Misicko: All right.

21:34:07 Shane Bugbee: No, I'm joking.

21:34:09 Doug Misicko: OK. But how did you come to be into the Church of Satan? How did you meet Lavey and come to be on the Council of Nine? And ultimately...

21:34:17 Peter Gilmore: Well, basically, I read The Satanic Bible when I was 13 years old, I saw it in a bookstore and said, Well, you know, I've read the rest of the religious texts, the main major texts and found them all to be basically mythology. And I thought, well, here's something that looks like another take on it. So I purchased the book, read it. And prior to that, I'd basically considered myself an atheist. And then I read that and said, You know, I guess there's another name for me, the name is Satanist. And I basically considered myself a Satanist from the moment I read that book, and later, I, you know, wrote to Anton LaVey love and joined the Church of Satan, and was invited to meet him and became a good friend and colleague, and, you know, we had a relationship that got stronger as, as the years went by. So that was the same with my wife, too, I actually, when I was in high school, I introduced her to The Satanic Bible. And she also felt that it was represented her philosophy. And so we both joined when we were in college, the Church of Satan, and we both received the invitation to meet Anton LaVey and we did. And it really was magical. It progressed from there. And we would never regret it. It was really a fascinating experience and a great journey.

21:35:30 Doug Misicko: The chat room wants to know about your upcoming book.

21:35:33 Peter Gilmore: Yeah, I've got it, I've got to get The Black Flame out first, and then I'll put my book out, I keep rewriting it and adding new things. So I've got to like at a certain point, smack my hand and say, "No, no, just leave it alone and put it out." But most of my past two essays I've had in The Black Flame and other places, some of which have been expanded, and a bunch of new ones, too, that haven't been printed anywhere. And it has my "Rite of Ragnarok" ritual that was in a Swedish publication years ago. And the official, satanic wedding rites and satanic funeral rites that I wrote that are in use through our priesthood for our members these days. So I'm hoping to get it out by early 2004. That's the plan for now.

21:36:16 Doug Misicko: You have a publisher?

21:36:18 Peter Gilmore: We're gonna do it ourselves, because we want complete control over it.

21:36:21 Doug Misicko: Is that Hell's Kitchen?

21:36:22 Peter Gilmore: Yes.

21:36:23 Shane Bugbee: That's the best way to do it.

21:36:24 Peter Gilmore: Yeah, it really is. Because it'll look exactly like I want, you know, some people have approached us about it. But then the whole thing is they want to get an editor involved. And you just don't want to do that. I really want this to be precisely the way I want it to be. So I'll design it and I'll produce it. And there it will go. The only person to blame will be me.

21:36:44 Shane Bugbee: Well, I always find someone else to blame. No, I'm just kidding.

21:36:48 Peter Gilmore: Well, that takes creative efforts. And that's a good thing.

21:36:52 Shane Bugbee: I forgot what I was gonna ask. Boy, that's a good one.

21:36:55 Amy Bugbee: Uh oh, time to do a shot for anyone listening.

21:36:56 Shane Bugbee: Oh. Oh oh oh, Doug was asking you earlier, you missed the question. He was asking if you could give us a brief synopsis of your book.

21:37:06 Peter Gilmore: Oh, well, it basically I, you know, it's it's essays, and ritual. And the essays are some of the ones that I had in The Black Flame. There, some of them are expanded to, and a bunch of new ones that no one's seen yet. And the rituals for the satanic marriage, funeral, and the "Rite of Ragnarok".

21:37:24 Amy Bugbee: So no, Peter, getting back to I guess the anniversary that today is, you being in New York have kind of a different views. So what is your opinion of President Bush and how he's handled the whole thing and the War on Terrorism, and all that stuff?

21:37:39 Peter Gilmore: Well, that's again, you know, we don't really know all all of what's going on there. I think that the media gives us a certain portion. And I hear from people in the military, some other things. And that, you know, Bush has never struck me as a particularly intelligent fellow, but he does have some smart people around him. And although the War on Terror is something that that is- he seems to bring all these Christian moral issues to it, which I am against. But I do like the idea of trying to preserve our society from having terrorists attacking in it and if we need to go crush them elsewhere, then that's a wise thing. You know, America has the might, we should wield it. The "might is right", you know, we have to use the power. We don't have the greatest army and technology on earth to not use it. And I really think that we're in a point where we have this war of secularism versus religious fanaticism. And Bush doesn't understand that because he's a religious person. He's trying to make it into some kind of a "holy war" of- essentially I really think, you know, his commentary to, you know, pro-Islam or types of Islam, to the, you know, exception, that that on a certain level, most Christians really do feel that, that it's a war of some kind of Christian ethic against Islam and they don't see this, that that kind of Christianity is practically the same. So we really have to focus it and think that's the problem that they're the awareness of the real issues behind this "war on terrorism" are not clear with our leaders that we in their public speaking, it may be that there are some very pragmatic people behind it, who are doing it for economic reasons, and, and other reasons that are really just using these trappings to try to manipulate society into going along with it. But again, all of that will remain hidden as as most of that kind of stuff usually does. And only eventually, we may find out the real motivations behind everything.

21:39:30 Doug Misicko: The most threatening terrorist in my mind, to our freedoms, is John Ashcroft.

21:39:35 Peter Gilmore: [laughs] Yeah, well, you know, essentially that that Patriot Act, which people are definitely revolting against is, is really a slap in the face of the Constitution.

21:39:46 Shane Bugbee: You can say that again...

21:39:47 Doug Misicko: So aren't you almost tempted to vote for Bush, again, to kind of forced the hand of hand of backlash, so to speak?

21:39:55 Peter Gilmore: We know it, we'll have to see how that happens. The thing is, the herd always goes along with the flow, unfortunately, and the herd can't really take real freedom. Once unlimited choices are before them. They're frightened, they need limited selections, like one from column A one from column B. And they can then feel they're free, because they get to choose one or the other. That's the kind of freedom that most people can handle and tolerate. The thing is the kind of freedom that we sort of folks want, which is something that the Founding Fathers wove into our Constitution, it's something that does have to be fought for, because the marching morons don't want it and don't need it and don't understand it. So that's really kind of a responsibility to the real free thinkers in the future is to try to keep that constitution solid. And we have members who are in government and in law who are working towards that so-

21:40:48 Doug Misicko: (interrupting) And that's why we grow to hate the mob.

21:40:48 Peter Gilmore: ...There are people who are working to that end right now.

21:40:52 Doug Misicko: We grow to hate them because we don't need their laws.

21:40:56 Peter Gilmore: We don't want that kind of law.

21:41:00 Doug Misicko: What kind of law do we want?

21:41:02 Peter Gilmore: A law that keeps things organized, and allows the people who can handle freedom to have it. It's not egalitarian. Egalitarianism is grotesque, because it's basically trying to say everybody's the same. And they're not. Most people don't have the ability to handle the kind of responsibility of abroad freedom. The whole point is- a lot of Satanists might say, "Okay, I want to advocate fascism." But the whole thing is, unless you're in the very top of the pyramid of the administration of the fascist regime, you're basically going to be sacrificed to the state. So that's not a good position to be in. The whole point is always being-, we're trying to advocate a secular society, and that does have freedom for those who can handle it. And that's something subtle and difficult to maintain. Because in the United States, the way it seems to work is we have a consumer economy, where most of the herd is basically led by apples put out there on sticks, by corporations, hoping that's fine, if that's their bread and circuses and keeping them satisfied. But what we have to hope for, we fringe-types, is that we're not going to be caught up in, in being squeezed out of having our own alternatives to those kinds of choices.

21:42:14 Doug Misicko: So would you say, We need more freedoms or less? Or is there a balance? I mean, I personally think drugs should be legal. And if you kill yourself on them, go ahead.

21:42:23 Peter Gilmore: Oh, yeah, I totally agree with that.

21:42:24 Doug Misicko: The laws we do enforce we should enforce, possibly, with death in most cases.

21:42:27 Shane Bugbee: Even speeding tickets?

21:42:31 Peter Gilmore: [laughs] You know what, I, you know, I'm hoping that- There's- there's a problem. Now, that's, that's the kind of folks who don't want people in general to be free, can use security as a reason for stealing freedoms from us. And that's a very big danger that we're facing right now.

21:42:48 Amy Bugbee: Absolutely.

21:42:48 Peter Gilmore: That we have to be vigilant about that. And the thing is, there is a tradition in this country of trying to preserve that kind of freedom. And then we're not the only nation on Earth that has that. A lot of European folk may be very critical of the United States. But when you look at their governments, they're usually hand in glove with the Catholic or other churches, and they're quite happy to prosecute people for blasphemy. So this is the only nation, especially of long standing existence, that has that kind of tradition. And because it's there and on paper, and it's been given almost a sacred kind of approach. It's something that we can stand on and try to make certain that it isn't whittled away. And we're lucky our our Founding Fathers were very satanic individuals. And this really was the first "satanic" Republic. It's not a democracy, it's a republic. And it's a good thing too. Those guys were smart.

21:43:39 Doug Misicko: Do you think our culture is degenerating into decadence, and this is a sign that there's a new coming fascism?

21:43:48 Shane Bugbee: Peter, can you hear that train?

21:43:51 Peter Gilmore: Sounds like, ominous. Is it running you guys down?

21:43:56 Shane Bugbee: I live in between two train tracks. It's really interesting.

21:44:01 Peter Gilmore: The whole The question is interesting, because we'd really need to define like what's "decadence". Sometimes, periods that are called decadent are ones where some very interesting artistic expression can happen. Because it's breaking away from a period beforehand, that was very repressive. So decadence can be a positive thing. If you look at it in that sense, if you look at decadence as being the rise of rampant mediocrity, which something that I see happening in our culture, then that's not such a good thing.

21:44:29 Doug Misicko: I'm not against decadence. But I was wondering if you saw the parallel, or recognize a parallel between the United States today and Weimar bullet- Berlin, before the Nazi-ism.

21:44:43 Peter Gilmore: There are some some similar similarities, certainly and history does, of course, seem to run in cycles, for those who aren't aware of it. We'll have to see how it goes, to see again. Germany at that point, didn't have the kind of tradition of supporting freedom that we have. It came from very chaotic... history. We don't have a chaotic history, here, we have a very solid 200 years of promoting freedom. So there's a very big difference there. So the results could be quite different. And when ti